"Who's going to find out?
They're trash, nobody's
going to believe them!"
- Hillary Clinton,
talking about the
women Bill Clinton
raped & brutalized
Here are question from House Committee on the Judiciary,
We understand that BOP implements its suicide prevention program pursuant to BOP Program
Statement P5324.08. Is this correct? Please provide copies of any other documents that may govern
the implementation of this program on a Bureau-wide basis and also any documents internal to MCC
New York applying to the implementation of suicide prevention policies at that facility.
Since July 6, when Mr. Epstein arrived at MCC New York as a pretrial detainee, what evaluations
were conducted concerning his mental status and possible risk of suicide? Please provide any
documents related to any such evaluations.
Please describe the classifications of the housing units Mr. Epstein was placed in for each day
he was in custody, and whether or not Mr. Epstein was placed in single-cell confinement or
restrictive housing.
Does MCC New York have rooms specifically designated for housing inmates on suicide watch?
What is BOP, and MCC New York’s policy regarding the placement and housing conditions of
inmates accused of sex offenses? Was this policy followed in this instance?
What is BOP’s policy concerning single-cell confinement, or restrictive housing, for inmates
(and pretrial detainees, if different) presenting with mental health concerns? What is BOP’s
policy concerning such confinement for pretrial detainees and inmates presenting with risk of
possible suicide?
Please describe the circumstances of Mr. Epstein’s confinement, including whether he was housed
alone for the entirety of his incarceration or with other inmates, and the conditions of the cell
or cells where he was confined.
Please describe the nature of BOP’s monitoring of Mr. Epstein while on suicide watch and while
not on suicide watch, including, under both circumstances, the number of correctional officers
assigned to monitor him, and the frequency and nature of check-ins or contact with Mr. Epstein by
correctional officers.
Please provide information pertaining to the individual correctional officers who were
responsible for monitoring Mr. Epstein on August 9 and August 10, specifically with respect to how
long they had been on their shifts at the time Mr. Epstein had been found non-responsive in his
cell.
It has been reported that Mr. Epstein had been placed on suicide watch at some point while in
custody, and that this watch was terminated. Is this correct? If so, please provide the date and
time when he was placed on suicide watch and the date and time when he was removed from suicide
watch.
It is our understanding that BOP policy states that only the “program coordinator” for a
facility’s suicide prevention program has the authority to remove an inmate from suicide watch. Is
this correct?
Does MCC New York have such a program coordinator? Did he or she authorize the removal of Mr.
Epstein from suicide watch? If not, who did?
Did the program coordinator consult with anyone else in making this determination? If so,
who?
Was the termination of Mr. Epstein’s suicide watch by the official who made such determination
discussed with or directed by any supervisory personnel or leadership of BOP or any DOJ personnel
or executive branch personnel outside of BOP?
Who at BOP, DOJ, and elsewhere in the executive branch was notified of the termination of Mr.
Epstein’s suicide watch and when?
It is our understanding that BOP policy requires that the program coordinator issue a
“post-watch” report prior to, or as soon as possible following, watch termination. In the case of
Mr. Epstein, was such a report issued? If so, please provide a copy of the report and any
underlying evaluation and documentation. If not, please otherwise detail the basis for removing
Mr. Epstein from suicide watch and provide any related evaluation and documentation.
If Mr. Epstein was removed from suicide watch, what precautions were put in place to help
prevent the possibility of self-injury for Mr. Epstein given that he was transitioning from suicide
watch? Were there any steps taken to remove possible implements of self-injury?
If, as you have stated, Mr. Epstein died of an apparent suicide, what are the facts and
circumstances that led you to make that determination, and please provide a copy of the report of
the autopsy which was subsequently performed.
Was any plan implemented to check in on and observe Mr. Epstein on a regular basis after the
termination of his suicide watch?
Were any video surveillance cameras placed in or near Mr. Epstein’s cell? Were they
operational in the hours prior to and during the time of the injury to and death of Mr. Epstein?
Did they indicate or do recordings show the circumstances that led to Mr. Epstein’s death, or the
presence of any other person during this time period?
What is BOP’s policy for providing recurring, specific mental health and suicide prevention
training to its personnel?
When the relevant supervisory personnel and correctional staff at MCC New York last receive
suicide prevention training?
Do BOP’s suicide prevention policies apply to all prisons which provide housing for federal
inmates, including contract facilities?
On 16 August 2019, Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘death’ was officially ruled as being suicide……
The Epstein lawyers have hired Jewish ‘autopsy expert’ Dr Michael Baden (born 1934) to oversee the autopsy of ‘Epstein’.
In the 1970s, Baden was involved in the cover-up of the 1963 President Kennedy assassination.
Baden supported the absurd ‘lone gunman’ official story.
Epstein is perhaps already arrived in Israel after a ‘Mossad jailbreak’.
Epstein was put in a wheelchair and driven out of the New York jail in a van, accompanied by a man in a ‘green military uniform’,
shortly before his body was allegedly ‘found’ around 7:30am.
Jeffrey Epstein death ruled ‘suicide by hanging’ – BBC News
“The velocity needed to break Jeffrey Epstein’s hyoid bone and cervical vertebrae rules out the suicide scenario, says forensic
pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht.”
Dr. Cyril Wecht weighs in on the troubling circumstances surrounding …
Following Jeffery Epstein's alleged suicide last week we have been deluged by a
tsunami of narratives that do not adhere to the shifting official reports of his
death.
Dear Gilad,
another great article as a whole. But what caught my eye (and my reasoning – I hope) is
in your first sentence and is – interestingly enough – compliant with your theory
in general but showing a certain lack of applying it to the actual historical situation.
Where I am observing an important – very nice to have – shift (if not a crack) in
the dominating concept of Conspiracy Theory/Theorist (CT). This concept is closing in on
loosing more and more choppers.
The term "alleged" presents you as for "Epstein's suicide" as an "alleged" CT. An alternative
cause of E.'s death is taken into consideration. And so does the "tsunami of narratives that
do not adhere to the shifting official reports of his death".
This "tsunami" is not at all
restricted to the "alternative media" – as you seem to propose (Steven Colbert's
Late-Show-Video). It is invading the Mainstream-Media as well. Look into the "Daily Mirror"
or even into the "New York Times", where you could read three days ago:
"Why I Dabble in Jeffrey Epstein Conspiracy Theories
I believe that Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. I believe that Al Qaeda attacked us on
Sept. 11. But on this story, I've been mugged by unreality.
Sometimes paranoia just stands to reason. When Jeffrey Epstein, accused of sex
trafficking, died of an apparent suicide while in federal custody last weekend, perhaps the
most shocking aspect of the news was how little some people, including me, were
shocked.
Rarely had a headline-grabbing event so thoroughly gratified suspicious minds. The proof
was all over Twitter and social media, where a furious cyclone of cynicism broke out -- one
that still swirls and shows no sign of ending. I told you so. They killed him. I doubt he's
dead."
Walter Kirn is actually relativating his own above mentioned beliefs in common "CTs", when
he is citing a Twitter user, who wrote about the E.-case:
"There is no rule of law for our ruling class, and the society you live in is far more
corrupt and incompetent than you think," a Twitter user wrote about the case. As a lifelong
journalist who believes in waiting for the facts before reaching grand conclusions, I find
this bitter sentiment understandable. Or perhaps "unavoidable" is a better word, given the
history of the Epstein case, which, despite its soul-shattering details, was barely a case
at all until quite recently. ( )
He would be a far-fetched figure at any time. In our times, however -- our Gilded Age of
weirdness when some individuals wield the wealth of nations and some corporations wield the
power of gods, to track us, manipulate us and sway our minds -- he's something of an
exemplar, a type, a paradigm. I struggle to think of something more disturbing than that. (
)
I feel that some wild speculation is warranted, if only to preserve one's mental health by
releasing built-up intellectual pressure.
Near the end of his article the author does not at all looking for a happy conclusion.
Instead he increases dose and speed by attacking the "trusting souls" as well as throwing the
spotlight of the public eye on umteen approaches of the "rabbit hole", that some days ago
were mentioned only by some "CTs":
"I wonder where they come from, these trusting souls, for whom Jeffrey Epstein himself
may have once appeared implausible. Was the last presidential election lost on them?
Weren't they here for the 18-month Mueller investigation, the premise of which was that our
commander in chief was possibly working with a rival superpower whose leader is given to
having his enemies poisoned? Do they realize that every keystroke of their replies to me is
subject to capture by our intelligence agencies, whose budgets run to hundreds of billions
of dollars, a lot of them spent on deception operations that may or may not ever be
revealed? Finally, do they understand that those with a potential interest in masking the
truth of Mr. Epstein's death are as easy to find as opening a magazine or turning on TV,
while the parties who are invested in disclosing it may be as rare as the California
condor? Incredible, these "sane" voices. Just incredible. And, according to my count, fewer
by the day."
"Epstein" is the "One Big Red Pill" and the vast unmissable "Big Elephant" ,
hard to swallow and stodgy, but undisgorgeable for both the Mainstream-Media and the learned
helplessness of the "Normies" ("Schlafschafe"). Epstein's cement trucks won't help either.
Hitchcocks birds are on their (and THEIR) heels. "Watch the Watch!"
20190729 : Alex Acosta let the cat out of the bag the Justice Department knew all about the Jeffrey Epstein Florida plea deal by Robert Willmann ( Jul 18, 2019 , turcopolier.typepad.com )
In an interview with Associated Press, US Attorney General William Barr put all conspiracy
theories to rest once and for all by assuring the world that alleged sex trafficker and alleged
billionaire Jeffrey Epstein's death was simply the result of a very, very, very long series of
unfortunate coincidences.
"I can understand people who immediately, whose minds went to sort of the worst-case
scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw-ups," Barr told AP on Thursday .
This perfect storm of unlucky oopsies include:
Epstein being
taken off suicide watch not long after a previous suicide attempt and shortly before his
successful suicide,
suggestions
that the first attempt may have actually been an assault via attempted strangulation
inflicted by someone else,
"... No, it was not suicide Mr. Barr, it was a well orchestrated operation that terminated a man who could embarrass many elites and other people who did not want to be embarrassed. It strikes at the heart of what the populace expects from government an expectation of "fairness." ..."
"... If anyone was truly interested in investigating Epstein his banking and communication records would have been secured. All of the people who interacted with him on a daily basis would have been interviewed. This did not happen and it will not happen because too many people just want him to be forgotten. ..."
I thought I liked Mr. Barr but I do not buy his opinion.
The usual investigation and takedown process was not followed in this case and someone
should answer: why not?
Big planning had to be made to lure Epstein back to Teterboro and take him into custody
immediately on deplaning.
He was immediately kept in isolation but no search and seizure warrants were executed with
his takedown. Why would the crime scenes be left unsecured unless there was a plan?
Proper take down plans are prepared in minute detail. Don't tell us this was not well
planned.
Well, there was a plan. Delay of the official investigation allowed the scenes to be
sanitized before "official" search warrants were requested. No serious law enforcement plan
would allow this process. What was the plan Mr. Barr and who was behind it? Can we have names
please?
When the official search warrants were executed the most damaging evidence was gone.
Everything else was for show.
Then Epstein was kept on ice in that "short of money" jail where cameras malfunctioned and
were known to malfunction.
Mix in a few useful idiots for guards and Epstein was finished. He could not relocate his
blackmail evidence after his takedown and because he was isolated he could not parlay his
information to secure his release. He was done.
No, it was not suicide Mr. Barr, it was a well orchestrated operation that terminated
a man who could embarrass many elites and other people who did not want to be embarrassed. It
strikes at the heart of what the populace expects from government an expectation of
"fairness."
If anyone was truly interested in investigating Epstein his banking and communication
records would have been secured. All of the people who interacted with him on a daily basis
would have been interviewed. This did not happen and it will not happen because too many
people just want him to be forgotten.
Our government caters to the special interest. Unfortunately I hoped for fairness.
This is far from the first time Epstein's crimes have been covered up, minimized, or
ignored.
Perhaps most famously, former US Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta negotiated a 'sweetheart
deal' for Epstein in 2008 after he pleaded guilty to soliciting prostitution from a minor. The
pedophile financier was able to 'work' outside of prison most days, during which time he
reportedly continued to abuse girls
.
Additionally, the Manhattan DA's office headed by Cyrus Vance Jr. had 'graphic and detailed
evidence' of Epstein's crimes when a prosecutor argued for leniency during his 2011 sex
offender registry hearing, according to an April report in the
New York Post .
In advance of the hearing, then-deputy chief of Sex Crimes, Jennifer Gaffney, had been
given a confidential state assessment that deemed Epstein to be highly dangerous and likely
to keep preying on young girls , the DA's office admitted in its own appellate brief eight
months after the hearing.
...
Manhattan prosecutors were aware the state board had assigned Epstein a risk assessment of
130, a number that is "solidly above the 110 qualifying number for level three ," with
"absolutely no basis for downward departure," the brief notes.
Nevertheless, Gaffney argued that he should be labeled a level one offender , the least
restrictive, which would keep him off the online database. -
New York Post
While Acosta lost his job in the Trump administration over his actions in 2008, will anyone
be held truly accountable for enabling Epstein's decades-long pattern of abuse?
(Fox News):
The bombshell claim by Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City medical examiner who has
worked on high-profile cases during a five-decade medical career, is certain to reignite
suspicions that surfaced immediately after Epstein, who was awaiting trial on federal
sex-trafficking charges involving underage girls, was discovered dead in his cell on Aug. 10.
Baden, who was hired by Epstein's brother and observed the autopsy, told Fox News its findings
are more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicidal hanging. He noted that the
66-year-old Epstein had two fractures on the left and right sides of his larynx, specifically
the thyroid cartilage or Adam's apple, as well as one fracture on the left hyoid bone above the
Adam's apple, Baden told Fox News.
"Those three fractures are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more
commonly in homicidal strangulation," Baden, who is also a Fox News contributor, said.
While there's not enough information to be conclusive yet, the three fractures were "rare,"
said Baden, who's probed cases involving O.J. Simpson, President John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther
King, record producer Phil Spector, New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez and many
others.
"I've not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case," the 85-year-old
medical legend told Fox News.
Baden, who's examined more than 20,000 bodies and hosted HBO's "Autopsy," explained that if
a person weighed 120 pounds and their head weighed 10 pounds, there would be 110 pounds of
pressure on the neck at the jaw during a hanging. But, if someone put a hand around a person's
neck and squeezed, that could double or even triple the pressure on the neck, Baden said.
There were also hemorrhages in Epstein's eyes that were common in homicidal strangulation
and uncommon, though not unheard of, in suicidal hangings, the forensic pathologist said.
New York City Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson ruled Epstein's cause of death to be a
suicide by hanging.
"It appears that this could have been a mistake," Baden said. "There's evidence here of
homicide that should be investigated, to see if it is or isn't homicide."
On the day Epstein was found dead, the prison security had experienced a "total breakdown"
in procedure, according to Baden.
"It was determined that the two guards who were supposed to be working in that area of the
prison had allegedly fallen asleep and hadn't made their 30-minute rounds for more than 3
hours," he said.
Then there were security cameras that were supposed to be recording the cell and the hallway
outside, to see who went in and out. Both apparently had malfunctioned, according to
Baden.
This "steal the oil" schtick is going to do wonders for Guaido's Presidential aspirations,
but that ship probably sailed after the failed coup, if it hadn't already sailed before that.
Or maybe there never was a ship in the first place.
AFAIK, there was no match to DNA despite the fact that Epstein was a registered sex
offender. Epstein's brother, Mark, identified the body despite the fact that he's likely to
get benefit from Epstein's death (could inherent a lot of money), and there's still an active
investigation (AFAIK) into Epstein matters that could implicate him (as they did some
business together, AFAIK).
More generally, which media outlets seem to be trying to brush Epstein's death under the
rug?
Not the National Enquirer:
Jeffrey Epstein Murder Cover-up Exposed! Death Scene Staged to Look Like Suicide.
Billionaire's Screams Ignored by Guards! Fatal Attack Caught on Jail Cameras!
Autopsy is Hiding the Truth!
No doubt there's a massive media coverup. You can just tell by the headlines, "Epstein died
by apparent suicide ". How did they know it was a suicide? All we could possibly know
was the cause of death -- a broken neck. No one knows for certain the hanging was done by
himself or someone else. But no detective work necessary, the media has already decided for
us.
formally dismiss the charges
as is typical when the accused is deceased, but also to
still allow testimony of some of the victims.
Defense lawyer Reid Weingarten told Judge Richard
Berman during the hearing that
Epstein's injuries are
"far more consistent with assault"
than
suicide, especially given the broken bones in his neck discovered during the autopsy after he was
found dead in his jail cell on Aug. 10. This after it was previously revealed that Epstein's
defense attorneys had
successfully lobbied for him to be taken off suicide watch
on July 29, about a week before he was found dead in his cell, according to
ABC
News
.
"Weingarten cited the defense's own medical sources. Broken bones were found in Epstein's neck
during an autopsy after he died Aug. 10," reports
CNBC
. "Such fractures are somewhat more common in cases of strangulation than in hanging."
Weingarten explained to the judge that Epstein didn't at all appear suicidal during discussions
and interactions the evening before his apparent early morning hours death.
"We did not see
a despairing, despondent, suicidal person,"
the lawyer
said
.
Tuesday's proceedings were held to allow about 20 women, many choosing to remain anonymous
during testimony, to tell the court and the world what happened to them at the hands of the wealthy
sex predator and human trafficker.
Judge Berman wrote of the hearing, "The Court believes that where, as here, a defendant has died
before any judgment has been entered against him, the public may still have an informational
interest in the process by which the prosecutor seeks dismissal of an indictment."
But ironically, this week's District Court hearing marked the close of the federal criminal case,
given Epstein's "conveniently-timed" death. Reports
CNBC
:
Another Epstein lawyer, Martin Weinberg, told Berman that the defense team had prepared a
"significant" motion to dismiss the case, and that
the lawyers were not approaching the
case with a "futile, defeatist attitude."
Weingarten said Berman had a "pivotal role to find out what happened."
"We want the court to help us find out what happened," Weingarten said.
"We're skeptical of the certitude" of the finding of suicide by hanging by the New
York City medical examiner
, the lawyer said.
There are "significant doubts" regarding "the conclusion of suicide," Weingarten said.
Federal prosecutor Maurene Comey told the judge that Epstein's death is already subject of "an
ongoing and active grand jury investigation." Comey explained, "It is not the purview,
respectfully, of the court to conduct an investigation into uncharged matters."
But Tuesday's proceedings and formal
dismissal of the case
on the grounds that the accused is deceased doesn't necessarily mark an
end of the road "nothing to see here" point in the saga, given
a number of Epstein's
accusers have filed significant lawsuits against his estate
, to say nothing of potential
cases against his associates and enablers.
No worries for the "Elite" as the case is already dying down and
the REAL crimes of Epstein and his tribe will go down the rabbit
hole - As Predicted. Just like 9/11, JFK, Boston Marathon Bombing,
Las Vegas Shooting, etc., the masses are left to Ponder, Argue
Over, Debate, and Write About these obvious operations by secret
cabals, But will never be able to effectively organize against
these Psychological Traumas foisted on to them.
The Elite have
effectively neutered the population which is filled with Armchair
Warriors who do absolutely nothing in the march for truth.
People talk about the "elite" being more emboldened and
conspicuous in their corruption; this is true because they have
nothing really to worry about. They can always tag a low hanging
fruit if things get bumpy and that appeases the masses.
It's somewhat disturbing to see The American People played for
complete suckers, again and again with . . . Filthy lies after
lies . . . Deception after deception by their
corrupt
intelligence agencies . . . Fake news networks . . .
Lawyers see Multi-million $ slip out their hands when Jeffery
Epstien was Arkencided. Which one has the dead man switch info?
The sheet is evidence, whose DNA is on it? Eliminate the delivery
people and other inmates, shake the tree and see what falls out
For what it's worth, see previous posts -- I could not find any evidence that Epstein ever
was in the Lower Manhattan Hosp., with the exception of two 'official' docs:
a) letter from the Chief Warden saying Epstein was sent there "with life threatening
injuries"
All the visual material is 'faked - photoshopped', 'staged', 'dodgy' or 'unrelated.' Why
was patient X brought into that weird side-entrance (supposedly) and not the main one where
staff and equipment is ready to receive emergency and rush?
I looked for: other stories, from staff (many of whom I identified), drivers, reports,
neighbors who might have seen something, etc. Pix, cell phone.. conspiracy posts, incl. the
wildest. Nothing. (Of course, staff might have been threatened for speaking out ) ->
Compare to e.g. Skripals where there is plenty of testimony of them being in the
hospital.
My intuition at present is that Epstein's disapearance or death was shunted away from the
jail (where serious high-jinks went on) to a more 'legitimate', 'expert authority', to avoid,
bury, controversy, objections, challenges.
According to the mentioned 'official' docs, he was found unresponsive at 6.30 am in
the jail, the victim of life threatening insults as stated, was then sent to the hosp. and
was declared deceased at 7.36. am at the hosp. (Sat. 10 August.) While the distance is tiny,
that is still mighty quick. Sort of, nothing to see here. And nobody saw anything except the
photographer Harrington who turned up (at what time? via what tips?) to offer photos that are
clumsy photoshops.
If you don't know the area, the hospital is only a few blocks from the prison.
Some have said that the pics make it look like Epstein was brought to a fire station
(the ambulance crews have "FDNY" on their jackets) but the back of the hospital
(where ambulances bring patients) actually looks like that and FDNY does have an
extensive ambulance service in New York.
I don't think the pics are photoshopped either.
But the pics have other serious problems:
> The body has the kind of orange prison garb that most people associate with prison but
the prison actually uses brown/tan material;
> The pics appear to be staged or cherry-picked so that only a limited view of
Epstein is provided (most importantly, his neck is covered);
> The ear and nose of the body differ from Epstein's (IMO this is not definitive but
adds to the above problems).
Then there's the strange early message (as described by Walter @112) saying that Epstein had
been "switched out". It provides details that lend credibility - like the prison not
transferring prisoners on the weekend.
And the Coroner's determination of suicide: there hasn't even been an attempt to
explain how asphyxiation by leaning can cause multiple neck bones to break.A
determination of suicide was necessary to get the body released so that it could be disposed
of.
IMO the body should've been identified by the victims and by dna (as a registered
sex offender, the government should have his dna). Instead, it appears that the only ID was
by Epstein's brother, who could inherit tens or hundreds of millions from Epstein's
estate!
The cherry on top of this ghastly mess is Ghislaine's photoshopped pic at "In and Out"
Burger. A "Good Boys" movie poster was added so that the message at the top reads: "Good
Boys, In and Out".
I wonder if Ghislaine's message was made in response to the early message that Walter
points out. It may be an attempt to muddy the waters. Allowing the establishment to
discrediting "conspiracy theories" by saying that Ghislaine wouldn't brag about the
extraction of Epstein if it had been successful.
I also think that Ghislaine might be next for a new life after a convenient "suicide"
(like her father and Epstein) and her video may help to set that up (in addition to muddying
waters about Epstein's extraction) as it fixes her image in the public's eye so that when
it's changed (plastic surgery, hair dye, etc.) she will not be recognized.
All of the sudden, Epstein is a fool, allowing himself to be taken into custody to die.
Surely he became too stupid to have retained and dispersed to trusted friends - digital
videos of Clinton, Trump, Andrew, MBS, and dozens of Market Makers in flagrante.
Consider Ghislaine Maxwell's tech savvy friend in Massachusetts, her sisters whom
developed Magellan and other software.
Epstein was surrounded by tech savvy persons whom had the ability to store and disburse
video that would shake the world to its foundations. Clandestinely.
What would a 15 second clip of Clinton's bare ass thrusting a young teen do the
Markets?
Jack R, the photos of the hospital are real. I claimed to show, in previous posts, one of
the personnel is truly working there and was there that day. (Limited it to one, as he
appears in two of the important pix, not into chasing up employees, etc.) - Right *place*,
right time roughly afaik, right illumination, etc.
We see, to summarize once again, a gurney being wheeled in with the 'face' of 'Epstein' (2
pix), the face is false, it isn't Epstein, the rest is 'real' or can be considered to be so
for now.
We are treated to two 'body exits':
A. A body bag loaded into a Black Suv / van, tagged Forensics, by ppl carrying the
'corpse' on a palet or some such.
B. Another with 'screens up', something into a white METT van. The video the still comes
from (link) doesn't add much, except that something (invisible) was put in the back of the
van, via a gurney on wheels, the top part of which was returned to the hospital. This occurs
at the same entrance as the IN pix.
The 2 vehicles left at the same time, they can be seen in the same vid (posted previous)
and went off in the same direction. Imho there was an attempt at 'decoy' (to supposedly draw
away journos - there were at least a dozen or more of them there when the two vehicles left)
which was a move to confuse everyone.
I have never been there but google earth does a fair job in NY, the vid show a lot.
- Apologies for trawling thru all this ad nauseam but starting from the bottom up is
sometimes a good approach. One learns a lot. (Boston Bombing for ex. oh .. what a put-up
job..) -
Walter, the body double thing is the most tempting, and it may very well have taken
place.
At present (imho) Epstein, alive - dead - inbetween wishing for the sexy angels, was never
in the hosp.
Prediction:
-- > no further evidence / shoring up / of Epstein being in the hosp. will appear in
any shape or form.
-- > the official death. cert. will stand, be upheld, and the 'pending' will be worked
out somehow. Injuries explained as special case, etc.
Jack, for the rest ok / not worth picking over.
uncle tungsten, idk about corbett report maybe above is some kind of response?
FWIW, I appreciate your Epstein details, even if they can be boring and/or perplexing. The
government/mass-media hive mind slammed down the "case closed" guillotine in a hurry, didn't
it?
It doesn't quite rise to the Orwellian "1984" level of rewriting history, because there
are still numerous threads of Epstein-related scandals that are considered newsworthy. I've
long since grown weary of endless displays of Epstein's Scott Bakula-esque lined, seamed face
grimly staring out from my laptop screen.
But the consent-manufacturing Mighty Wurlitzer won't stand for further contemplation of
the "crime scene" of Einstein's alleged death in captivity, even though it doesn't take a
"conspiracy theorist" to notice numerous irregularities that stink to high heaven in the
reported suicide.
The subliminal lyrics to the Wurlitzer's tune croon something like, "an egregiously evil
and loathsome man has ended his own life; let us be grateful that he spared us further horror
and outrage, and move on to something more elevating." It couldn't be more obvious that the
overclass is inculcating the attitude that picking over the circumstances of Epstein's
"suicide" is so yesterday .
The official narrative of billionaire accused pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's death shifted
faster than a New York subway rider when a homeless guy plops down next to them on a hot day.
First they said Epstein had been on suicide watch, then that he hadn't.
Prisons are full of
cameras yet there's still no video of Epstein's death.
Then, suicide watch or not, they claimed
he'd been checked on every 30 minutes. Then more like every three hours.
The medical examiner
said his injuries were consistent with strangulation by a second person but then thought better
of it and ruled Epstein's convenient demise a suicide.
Daily Mail photos once again .. (the only ones available?)
Pix were taken by W. Farrington, who refused to discuss them when called by a 'polite'
investigator and hung up...One by Probe-Media, one by Reuters, of X, supposedly Epstein,
taken to the Presbyterian Hospital in Lower Manhattan (= hosp) from the MCC, and then,
deceased, away in some manner.
1. X is on a gurney being wheeled along inwards. Capman (man closest to cam) carries a
bag. One FDNY medic and one NYP emergency medic, woman, seem to be pushing gurney along. X's
mug: partial head in profile.
2. The same FDNY medic is present, Capman is again front and seems to watch, the woman
from NYP has gone, and another man (FDNY I guess?) is present. They appear to be doing some
'emergency' procedures on X, a partial face side visible.
5. Another event: there are screens up, the DM states the METT van pictured was for
removing the body. (For a dead person, one has time for screens.) Capman is not present, and
the 2 ppl pictured are 'new', I could not find/identify them.
Side entrance *B* of hosp.
3. X in a body bag and is being carried out (not wheeled) on a wooden (?) support. Capman
is present at left, has ditched the bag and acquired a backpack. The man at the back lifting
the support - Pigtailbro, can be seen in many photos of the hosp, he is a long time employee.
(type 'name of hosp emergency' in image search - generally he doesn't have a beard.)
4. Seconds between 3 and 4. Body bag being loaded into a black SUV labelled Forensic
Operations. Capman is front stage, the support and the body bag are the same, the guy at back
is Pigtailbro.
X left the hosp. deceased in 2 ways - Black SUV Forensics and or White METT van. The 2
photo sets are linked by the presence of Capman, who has no clear identifying insigna. He has
a gun, a cell phone (back pocket), and wears a bullet-proof vest. Who was he?
1, 2. In almost the same spot, and at almost the same time (an injured person being
brought into hosp..) X is treated with some emergency procedures in one photo, but not the
other. No. That is staged/faked.
The face is not Epstein's. Watch vid from 3.04 on biggest screen, it is obvious, one does
not even need the 'demonstration', in fact better without! (ignore rest of vid.)
X is missing his lower body. Epstein was 6 feet tall, solid, muscular, well built and well
fed. Look to the left, the space that his hips and legs should occupy. In 2. we see X's
stomach and that he is wearing orange draw-string pants. Allegedly, the jail garb was grey
(confirmed by pix of El Chapo in that jail), not orange. The positioning of the arms, one
outside the gurney is very strange.
3, 4.
Would a body from the hospital be put in a body bag to go somewhere for autopsy? (Not the
practice where I live.) Would the body be lifted and carried on a support or some such from
the room where the patient died to the vehicle that will transport him? Never. A wheeled
contraption would be used. (The excuse of make-do because of urgency does not hold for a
corpse.) This looks a bit like a 'divert the press op' - note who took the pix. Pigtailbro
looks stressed. Lastly, Epstein was tall, large, heavy, this body bag and the posture(s) of
the carriers don't sit well with me, it all looks like they might be carrying 30 kgs.
Other confirmation of Epstein presence in hosp: none.
death certificate, scroll down. signed by Kristin Roman. The place of death is Emergency
Dpt. /at/ hosp. A Barbara Sampson did the autopsy, allegedly. Epstein was not domiciled in
the USA, but in the Virgin Islands. (See also his will which was lodged there.)
Epstein and Tartaglione were briefly cellmates until Epstein was found injured and
unresponsive on the morning of July 23. Authorities were investigating whether Epstein was
assaulted, possibly by another inmate, or if the injuries were self-inflicted.
Tartaglione was questioned and cleared of any wrongdoing, NBC News
reported Aug. 16, citing his lawyer and a person familiar with the matter.
The choice of cell mate was definitely strange. "The pairing would seem quite unusual, even
provocative, given the disparity between the two in physical size and the likelihood that a
former cop might be inclined to mete out punishment to a presumed pedophile and child
rapist."
The corporate-controlled media in the United States has effectively shut down all reporting
on the death of the politically connected multi-millionaire sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein,
only one week after his body was discovered in a prison cell in the Metropolitan Correctional
Center in Manhattan.
The previous "suicide" attempt, if that was what it was, deserves
greater scrutiny as well. Epstein was sharing a cell with a former New York policeman, Nicholas
Tartaglione, who was facing four counts of murder as well as narcotics charges. The pairing
would seem quite unusual, even provocative, given the disparity between the two in physical
size and the likelihood that a former cop might be inclined to mete out punishment to a
presumed pedophile and child rapist.
As it was, on July 23 Tartaglione summoned prison guards to find Epstein semi-conscious with
"marks" on his neck. Epstein was resuscitated and placed on suicide watch. He later claimed to
be afraid of Tartaglione and accused him of assault, which the ex-cop denied. After six days,
Epstein was taken off suicide watch and put back in a regular cell, but with a different
cellmate.
After Epstein's death, social media was filled with speculation about the unusual
circumstances in which he died and the possible motives of highly placed and political powerful
individuals for doing away with him. The corporate media went into overdrive, led by the New
York Times , to denounce such questions as "conspiracy theories," without foundation in
evidence -- although the lack of evidence was due to the silence of the police and prison
authorities as they sought to come up with a plausible explanation.
On Thursday came the revelation that Epstein's hyoid bone had been broken in several places,
which experts suggested was more typical in homicides than suicides. The Times again
sought to tamp down speculation. Finally, on Friday, the chief medical examiner, who had
delayed for several days drawing a conclusion, issued a formal finding that Epstein died a
suicide. The corporate media immediately rubber-stamped this finding and sought to shut down
any public questioning of it.
"... It's very hard to commit suicide while on suicide watch as described. In fact, most successful suicides in jails do not happen among inmates on suicide watch ..."
"... For this reason, patients coming off of active suicide watch should always have at least one roommate, more if possible. And even more important than being a suicide "alarm" is the psychological benefits of roommates. Depressed patients need social interaction and someone to talk to. ..."
It wasn't just the guards' failure, suggests jail doctor Jeffrey Keller
by Jeffrey E. Keller, MD August 16, 2019
Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide while in custody at a Manhattan detention facility has focused intense media scrutiny into
jail suicide prevention procedures. Suicide is the biggest cause of death in jails in the U.S. -- by far. Because of this, all jails
(including the facility where Epstein was housed) have a suicide prevention policy. Since the process was an epic failure at that
Manhattan facility, it might be useful to discuss how a jail suicide prevention program is supposed to work.
Suicide prevention efforts begin when inmates initially arrive at the jail. The booking process includes several questions and
observations designed to estimate suicide risk. Inmates are asked point blank if they are suicidal or are thinking of hurting themselves.
Inmates who have attempted suicide or harmed themselves in the past, those who have been using heroin or other drugs and are facing
withdrawal, and those who have been off of their normal psychiatric medications all have an increased risk of suicide. Especially
important are inmates who face public shaming because of their charges (think child porn). These have an especially high suicide
risk.
Once all of these questions (and others) have been asked, a yes-no decision must be made as to whether the inmate will be placed
on suicide watch. This is often a difficult judgment call. On the one hand, you don't want to miss any truly suicidal patients. On
the other hand, suicide precautions can be harsh, even by jail standards. In Jeffrey Epstein's case, he was indeed initially placed
on suicide precautions.
The process
Let's consider a male patient charged with child abuse who says at booking, "My life is over, so I'm going to kill myself. There
is nothing you can do to stop me." This patient would, of course, be placed on maximum suicide precautions. There are two main goals
of jail suicide precautions. The first and most important is to not allow the patient to kill himself! The second goal is to get
the patient mental health counseling and treatment.
To accomplish the first goal, our suicidal patient would be placed in a cell especially designed to have nothing that could be
used for self-harm. Much care has gone into the design of these cells. The light fixtures must be recessed and inaccessible. There
can be no sharp edges or bits of metal. (I once had an inmate who peeled off a small piece of metal from a poorly designed door and
sliced open his brachial artery. He did not die, thank goodness.) Even the pegs to hang clothes on are designed so they cannot support
a person's weight.
Since regular clothes, blankets, and sheets can be torn and braided to make a noose, our patient would be issued a special suicide
garment and blanket. These are designed to be impossible (or nearly so) to be used to hang oneself. These are too tough to be ripped
into anything that could be used as a noose. The garment has Velcro stays not strong enough to support a person's weight. However,
suicide garments are certainly not comfortable. Some patients think they are demeaning, refuse to wear them, and walk around naked.
Since some suicidal patients can still find ways to harm themselves despite the special cell and special garments, suicidal patients
are usually placed under observation as well. Suicide cells typically have large plexiglass windows to allow easy observation. How
observation works varies from jail to jail. Some jails use "sitters" to observe suicidal patients. These are people whose only job
is to sit by the plexiglass window and watch, 24/7. If the patient is on the toilet, the sitter is watching. Other jails have more
informal observation of suicidal patients, usually by correctional officers who have other tasks to do besides watching the inmate.
Almost always, though, the officer must document a visual check of suicidal patients on a log every 15 minutes, 24 hours a day.
The second goal of suicide observation is to get the patient mental health treatment. Mental health professionals will typically
see a patient on suicide watch at least every day. Psychiatrists or other medical practitioners will also see these patients and
prescribe appropriate psychiatric medications. Patients who are actively a danger to themselves (think repeatedly running headfirst
into the wall) may need physical restraint, perhaps with a specially designed chair or involuntary sedation pending commitment procedures.
Most suicidal patients stabilize over time thanks to counselling, medications, and self-reflection. After three days of suicide
precautions, our patient might say, "I'm not suicidal any more. I won't hurt myself." Usually, suicide precautions are phased out
in a step-wise fashion. Our patient might be given back his regular clothes but kept under observation for one more day, then sent
to regular housing.
It's very hard to commit suicide while on suicide watch as described. In fact, most successful suicides in jails do not happen
among inmates on suicide watch. Jeffrey Epstein is a prime example. He had been released from active suicide watch. The correctional
officers were still supposed to do checks on him every 30 minutes (which they evidently did not do) but this was because he was in
a special housing cell rather than an open dorm.
Special housing cells tend to be small, typically two beds, and have small windows or observation ports on the door. The only
way to see inside is to walk up and look inside. Correctional officers are supposed to do this with all special housing cells every
30 minutes.
Of course, if you really want to commit suicide, 30 minutes is plenty of time. If the officers are not doing the checks, well,
that gives you even more leeway. However, in Jeffrey Epstein's case, the critical factor was not that the checks were not being done,
it was that he did not have a roommate! It is much harder to commit suicide with a roommate who will sound the alarm. It is even
harder when you are in a dorm with 40 others, any of whom can intercede.
For this reason, patients coming off of active suicide watch should always have at least one roommate, more if possible. And
even more important than being a suicide "alarm" is the psychological benefits of roommates. Depressed patients need social interaction
and someone to talk to. Isolation is psychologically hard, which you do not want to inflict on a patient who was recently suicidal.
According to news reports, Epstein's roommate was released and he was left isolated. This was perhaps the biggest mistake in his
case, even more than the 30-minute special housing checks not being done.
Jail suicide prevention programs absolutely work to reduce suicides when functioning properly. In Epstein's case, there were evidently
multiple failures.
Jeffrey E. Keller, MD, FACEP, is a board-certified emergency physician with 25 years of experience before moving full time
into his "true calling" of correctional medicine. He now works exclusively in jails and prisons, and blogs about correctional medicine
at JailMedicine.com .
The guards had fallen asleep at the same time! So, Epstein observed every night from a
locked cell that the guards fell asleep at a specific time every night. Yeh right! Do you
think we are all dumb! Keep peddling FAKE NEWS!
Alligator Ed on Sun, 08/18/2019 - 10:27pm The essay is not easy to write and likely
won't be easy to understand if one is averse to facts. Ever since Sir Isaac got beaned by a
golden delicious, the world became aware of Gravity. Gravity seems to be acting on everything
and everyone on earth--except one Jeffrey Epstein, now allegedly deceased. Perhaps Mr. Epstein
learned to overcome the laws of physics by consulting Stephen Hawking. For it seems to be
almost a physical impossibility for Mr. E. to have broken several neck bones in his determined
exitus from this mortal coil.
The following combines multiple issues:
1. Cervical spine anatomy
2. Autopsy evidence, more precisely the lack thereof
3. Material provided allowing said strangulation / hanging to occur
4. The anatomy of Special Holding Unit cells (the SHU)
5. Calculations of physical forces
...5 A. energy expenditure in free fall
...5 B. velocity at terminus of fall
...5 C. force generated by a fall
...5 D. force required to fracture cervical vertebrae
I will not concern myself with refuting or approving the "official story" as promulgated by
Medical Examiner Sampson of NYC. She says it's suicide--and that's that. Would you question a
doctor? I would and I do. But for the sake of this essay (and only for this essay) I agree to
the following
1. The decedent is indeed one Jeffrey Epstein
2. He died of hanging, self-inflicted
3. Some fractures were noted in the neck on autopsy
But is this narrative believable? To address this, we must go back to basics. In this case,
basics involve cervical spine anatomy, physics, SHU cell configuration.
Cervical Spine
Anatomy
The cervical spine consists of 7 vertebrae, associated intervertebral discs, ligaments,
blood vessels, and nerves. Not included are the hyoid bone or the trachea (the latter being
both external to the spine and cartilaginous). The vertebrae are numbered from top down as C1
(first cervical vertebra = atlas vertebra), C2 (second cervical vertebra = axis vertebra) and
five more, which resemble each other. The C1 and C2 vertebra are unique among the vertebrae,
sharing features not present inferiorly (i.e., below them).
The upper image demonstrates the view seen on a lateral spine X-ray. The image below this is
more detailed, showing multiplanar views plus labelling.
JE's hyoid bone was fractured. This bone is unique in that it is the only bone which does
not attach to other bones--only to neck soft tissue. The incidence of hyoid fracture in one
series was less than 25%
in one study
Twenty male cases of suicidal hanging were reviewed. Fractures of the hyoid bone and/or
thyroid cartilage were found in five cases (25%). Two cases ofthe hyoid bone fracture, two
cases of thyroid cartilage fracture, and one case was both bone fractures. Mean age of all
cases, non-fracture, and fracture cases were 42.40, 35.93, and 61.80 years, respectively The
knot was at the back of the neck in most cases (12 cases, 60%) and at the left, front, and
right in four, two, and two cases, respectively. However there was no relation between
location ofthe knot at the neck and fractures of hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage (p=1).
Incomplete and complete hanging were found in 11 and nine cases. Five cases with fractures of
the hyoid bone and/or thyroid cartilage were incomplete hanging. The visual and palpatory
examination did not detect the fracture of hyoid bone in all 20 cases but stereomicroscopy
and stereomicroscopy with Toluidine blue stain detected fracture in three cases. For
detecting thyroid cartilage fractures, all three methods had the same result.
CONCLUSION:
Fractures of the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage in 25% of Thais who died of suicidal
hanging were related with older ages and incomplete hanging but not related with location of
the knot. The stereomicroscopic method is fast and effective in detecting fractures of the
hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage.
The above quote means that of 20 self-inflicted hangings, only 3 had associated hyoid bone
fractures on autopsy, aided by microscopic findings. That's 15% incidence.
I researched 20+ articles on duckduckgo and none told me any more than "the hyoid bone was
fractured as were other vertebrae". Which vertebrae? How many? Show me the imaging, please. I
am fully qualified to evaluate such by training and experience.
Here is a typical example of non-informative evidence:
Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender and financier to millionaires, sustained
multiple breaks in his neck bones, The Washington Post is reporting that his autopsy
reveals.
Reports show that Epstein's hyoid bone near his Adam's apple was severed, The Post
reported through sources. Such broken bones can occur when a person hangs themselves, but
more commonly occur when there is strangulation involved in homicide cases, according to the
newspaper, a point backed up by multiple research studies.
Professor Hoffmann,[3] of Vienna, says that, "in hanging, the noose does not press
directly on the larynx and the trachea, but almost always slips between the larynx and. the
chin. In these cases the basis of the tongue is pushed upward, and pressed against the
posterior wall of the pharynx, completely closing it. The most important agent, however, in
this kind of death is the compression of the larger vessels and the cervical portion of the
vagus nerve, the upper portion of the carotid being pressed against the transverse processes
of the cervical vertebræ before it branches off into the external and internal
carotids, and the inner coat of the vessel being ruptured. The jugular veins are compressed
at the same time, and the brain can neither receive any more blood nor allow that which it
contains already to flow away; its irritability is therefore extinct. The very important part
which both the vagus and the vessels take in causing death by hanging is clearly shown
through the following observations: 1. Loss of consciousness following immediately the
compression caused by the rope at the moment when the noose is drawn tight by the weight of
the body. The truth of this assertion is proved by the fact that no person who commits
suicide by hanging ever attempts to rid himself of the rope which throttles him, although he
might do so easily by standing upright, as the body is not always suspended above the surface
of the ground. 2. The rapidity with which death ensues and the beating of the heart stops.
The few struggling respirations which generally occur in asphyxia shortly before death have
not been observed in persons who have been hung. It is also well known how difficult it is to
restore such patients to life. Death by hanging is, then, complex. It results from the
occlusion of the respiratory tubes, from the sudden interruption of the passage of blood into
the brain, and possibly from arrest of the circulation determined by the compression of the
vagi nerves." These observations of Professor Hoffmann obviously refer to cases of
constriction of the neck without dislocation of the vertebræ, and show how death should
take place rather than how it does in cases of the short drop. The constriction of the neck
is not usually so complete as he has assumed; the carotids are not completely obliterated, as
shown by the pulse in the temporal artery, and by the gradual increasing congestion of the
head -- owing to the obstruction to the venous return -- until at last the tongue is
protruded out of the mouth; nor is the vagus much pressed upon, as evidenced by the long
continuance of the heart's beats in manv cases. It shows rather a paucity of reasoning to
infer immediate loss of consciousness because no suicide "ever attempts to rid himself of the
rope which throttles him." A suicide is a very unlikely individual to change his purpose
during the short period which elapses between suspension and loss of consciousness.
JE is purported to evidence petechial (small, capillary rupture) hemorrhages in his eyes,
presumably both retinal and conjunctival. His eyes were at least initially protruding, a sign
of increased intracranial venous pressure which occurs during sudden occlusions of one or both
jugular veins. These two signs do not prove either hanging from manual strangulation, because
either method may produce the same findings.
The Hanging article continues:
The shock to the nervous system produces an immediate loss of consciousness, with complete
paralysis of all the voluntary muscles. It takes a body moving under the influence of gravity
three quarters of a second to fall through the space of nine feet ; and, owing to the
velocity acquired, according to the law of uniformly accelerated motion, the time occupied in
the last seven inches during -- which the stretching and tightening of the rope occurs -- is
only •0225 of a second.
Continuing the calculations:
if the drop be long enough, the vertebræ are certain to be dislocated, no matter
what be the position of the ring or thickness of the rope. The vis viva in any case is
equivalent to half the mass multiplied by the square of the terminal velocity. Let W
represent the weight of the criminal, and S the length of the drop, then the formula will
be:
1/2 X MV2 =1 W / G2 X 2 G S = WS
or the weight of the criminal multiplied by the length of the drop expresses in
foot-pounds the amount of work expended on the neck of the criminal.
Now is such a thing possible in a Special Housing Unit (SHU)?
Note mention of inmate clothing and bedding--these are not the paper issues for inmates on
suicide watch. Inmates can only have such clothing in SHUs for maximum 6 days. Then they are
issued regular prison bedding and clothing.
inmates for dispute resolutions, intelligence gathering, or security threat
group/disruptive group meetings. This also applies to removing inmates from a secure housing
unit to meet with inmates in general population. Institution staff must rely on trained
investigative techniques, link analysis, and other means of gathering information without
allowing inmates into a secure housing setting to conduct face-to-face meetings with one
another....
A multidisciplinary team that includes, at a minimum, institution executive staff,
Correctional Services, unit staff, Health Services, and psychology staff reviews the inmate's
initial and ongoing placement in SHU. This committee meets on a regular basis, ordinarily
weekly. ...
The Warden's written approval is required prior to placing an inmate on alternate
clothing/linen status. The Warden or Acting Warden may not delegate the authority to place an
inmate in alternate clothing/linen (e.g., paper). The memorandum must include, at a minimum,
the signature of the Warden, Health Services Administrator, and a psychologist. A written
explanation of the reason(s) for alternate clothing/linen status must be included in the
Warden's authorization. This status will be reviewed every 3 days. Inmates will not be
authorized to remain in alternate clothing/linen for more than 6 days. After 6 days, the
inmate is removed from the alternate clothing/linen status, or, if necessary, a new
authorization is generated. Inmates must be offered a change of clothing daily and the
clothing must be adequate to the temperature in the SHU.
Alternate clothing/linen is authorized when an inmate alters, destroys, or uses a
clothing/linen issued article in a manner that poses a threat to safety, security, or good
order of the SHU or to herself/himself, other inmates, or staff.
Unfortunately cell dimensions are not mentioned but I include 3 illustrations of SHU cells
fitted with bunk beds. None are from NY's Medical Correctional Center, however.
SHU with bunk bed, example 1
SHU with bunk bed, example 2
SHU with bunk bed, example 3
Note the low ceilings, usually no more than 9 feet. Also note absence of ceiling light
fixtures.
Physics
For you number crunchers and other interested types, we go back to basics:
Force = Mass x acceleration
The units involved = foot-pounds per second. This is convertible to Newtons per second as
follows:
The entries selected include body weight 200 pounds, vertical descent 415 feet, which would
yield the maximum terminal velocity obtainable. Falls from heights of 6 feet are substantially
slower.
Kinetic energy produced by a fall
In this instance, the calculations of kinetic energy assumes that JE jumped to his death
from the top of the MCC to achieve true terminal velocity. How about from 9 feet, which is a
generous estimate of vertical descent.
Free fall energy and velocity:
For this calculation I estimated the maximum vertical descent JE could have experienced if
his ceiling was 12 feet high--which is a 33% over-estimation of ceiling height presumed.
Using a vertical descent of 11.5 feet, the force produced would be 2300 foot-pound force,
which equals 3118 Newton-meters, clearly enough to fracture C2--if the fall occurred from a
height of 11.5 feet.
Spinal Pathophysiology
Back to anatomy. The hanging article indicates that C2 is the vertebra most commonly injured
in hanging. Many other articles, modern, confirm this. This is not new information. The
odontoid process, sometimes called the odontoid peg, is the usual site of fracture from
hanging. Sometimes hanging fractures result from C2-C3 dislocation, which occurs at the next
lower vertebral level. But this fracture is a minority.
There are 3 types of odontoid fracture, naturally called types I, II, and III. Pictorially,
they look like this:
Type 1 is almost never unstable. Type 2 is almost never stable. Type 3 is often stable.
Stability means propensity to dislocate.
Experimental studies of cervical spine failure load and fracture patterns have been
performed.
The injury mechanism and magnitude of failure load of C2 fractures are important in the
clinical treatment of its fixation. The magnitudes of the failure load of C2 and the
mechanism of injury in vivo are uncertain. Accordingly, nine C2 vertebrae obtained from
cadaver spines, ranging in age from 51 to 80 years, were used for the study. Special
restraint conditions were applied to yield specific fracture of C2. With the posterior
element potted postero-anteriorly up to one-quarter of the inferior facet, posterior shear
force ranging from 840 to 1220N was required to cause fracture across the pars
interarticularis. For odontoid fracture study, a special rig was fabricated to encapsulate
the body of C2 in a cell using ISOPON, and a thin layer of ISOPON sandwiched between the
inferior facets and two lateral plates. The assembled rig permits slight sagittal movement of
C2 about the cup lateral pivot supports. Failure load of between 900 and 1500N was recorded
for odontoid fracture. These values are in agreement with published data. The experiment
carried out under these two different restraint conditions had specifically resulted in
different fractures of C2. In reality, depending on factors such as the inclination of this
force vector applied to the head, the precise posture at the time of trauma, the spinal
geometry, and the physical properties, different types of fracture patterns of C2 may be
produced. This additional data will be useful in the biomechanical study of C2 vertebra using
analytical approaches, and in surgical anterior/posterior fixation using screws.
So, all this shows that JE could have fracture his odontoid, as well as the hyoid. Yes and
no. Could JE have launched himself off the top of the bunk bed, violently jerking his neck to
hyperextension and constricting vital circulation? Interesting--but no proof.
His fall was certainly from a lower height, probably not more than 6 feet, and likely only 4
feet or less, considering the height from knee joint to chin.
Here is a revised energy estimate from a four foot descent:
But this is still in range of fracturing necks, though at the lower range--under ideal
conditions: meaning slip knot slipped appropriately, sheets did not stretch, sheets did not
tear and JE kept his knees bent at least 90˚ at the end of descent.
What about old folks--you know greater than 65 years? Aren't they more prone to neck
fractures, particularly of the odontoid? That has been studied.
Studies in patients aged 65 years with a minimum follow-up of 12 months were selected.
One-hundred twenty-six articles were reviewed. No class I study was identified. There were
two class II studies and the remaining were class III. Significant variability was found in
the literature regarding mortality and morbidity rates in patients treated with and without
halo vest immobilisation.
But what about oldsters with osteoporosis? Are they more prone to odontoid fractures than
those Osteoporotic odontoid fractures in the elderly
We conducted a prospective study from January 2016 to January 2017 in patients > 65
years old, hospitalized in Nice University hospital for low energy odontoid fracture. An
evaluation of bone status was proposed within 3 months after fracture event. Evaluation
included demographic data, clinical risk factors of osteoporosis, bone mineral density (BMD)
at spine and hip and vertebral fracture assessment (VFA) by dual X-ray absorptiometry and
serum analysis to detect secondary osteoporosis.
Results:
38 patients were hospitalized for odontoid fracture: 8 patients 27 odontoid fractures
followed a low energy impact: 18 women and 9 men, mean age 83.8 y. (±10.7) . 8
patients died before bone status assessment (5 men and 3 women), 6 died during
hospitalization with a mean delay of 3.5 days (±1.87) and 2 after discharge (1 month
and 5 month). 3 patients refused bone status evaluation, 5 were lost to follow-up and 1 is
awaiting evaluation. Finally 10 patients had bone status evaluation, all women, mean age 84.2
y. (±8.9). None had parental history of hip fracture, 1 had an early menopause, 1
received aromatase inhibitors for breast cancer and 2 had a history of steroid therapy (>
3 months). 3 patients had previously received hormone replacement therapy, 1 received
bisphosphonate for 5 years and 4 had calcium + vitamin D supplements. Lumbar spine mean
T-score was -1.45 (±1.08), femoral neck: -2.37 (± .040) and total hip: -1.99
(±0.6). VFA analysis revealed 4 unknown vertebral fractures. The table summarizes
population bone status: 8 patients out of 10 fulfilled diagnostic criteria of osteoporosis,
including 6 with previous fractures. 2 patients with T-score > -1.DS didn't have hip BMD
assessment because of bilateral hip replacement but had previous major osteoporotic
fractures. No secondary osteoporosis was detected.
for me to determine what is true or not. The cell I used is probably for single occupancy
only. Here is another one but according to this article it might not have been the one he was
in either. Who knows? People who have been held in the MCC SHU say that he couldn't have killed
himself in any of the cells there because there was nothing to tie it to or the materials
weren't strong enough.
his teeth through the neck of his prey? Is that velocity higher than gravity?
Kudos to your article, really hard to read through. I try to forget that this article is
dealing with hanging. My stomach tells me that my attempts to forget what I read is futile.
Have to take care of my stomach now.
Peace and love for all those countries who do not hang their prisoners.
Peace, love, life to all. Good Morning from Germany.
@mimi A very nice way to induce sleep for many, yes?
his teeth through the neck of his prey? Is that velocity higher than gravity?
Kudos to your article, really hard to read through. I try to forget that this article is
dealing with hanging. My stomach tells me that my attempts to forget what I read is
futile.
Have to take care of my stomach now.
Peace and love for all those countries who do not hang their prisoners.
Peace, love, life to all. Good Morning from Germany.
@Alligator Ed
and so I needed a little time to calm the stomach, say something silly (I hope I didn't offend
you with it) and will re-read it several times during the day.
In my youth I was on the science side (chemist) and I have lots of respect for scienctific
facts as long as I can understand them. Yours were perfectly represented in your essay,
imho.
...that I've come to expect them. This whole episode is rife with misinformation, and IMO
smells of CIA/FBI/spooky behavior. Much like the case of Seth Rich.
I would want to see pictures of the corpse at the scene with the bedsheet tied around his
neck. Was the length correct, and did the knot tighten enough?
There are two competing theories - one that he did indeed hang himself and two that he was
strangled and then the scene was rigged to make it look like a self hanging. I would think that
the physical evidence at the scene would tell the difference. But- since he was rushed out by
paramedics to an ambulance it may be that no photographic evidence or measurements and we may
not know. The bedsheet itself may tell a tale.
It seems from Ed's analysis that neck fracture by hanging would be possible but unlikely.
Considering the very difficult dynamics of doing this, I would think that he would need to
practice it to get it right. Getting the length of the bedsheet and the knots just right would
seem a difficult task. Launching your body off of the top bunk and keeping knees bent at 90
degrees and falling cleanly would require practice. Perhaps he did practice and had some
failures, and that's why he screamed earlier.
Why would he not settle for a much easier to accomplish strangulation death? Autoerotic
asphyxiation deaths in the US are estimated to be between 250 to 1000 per year. The data is
poor because reporting and exact determination is weak. But the technique is much simpler. Who
knows what was going through his mind?
If the authorities in NYC do not present a thorough, completely compelling analysis then
this case will live on in inconclusive infamy, like the assassination of JFK, 911, and so many
more. The temptation to believe that the rich and powerful to whom he had provided "services"
had him killed is very very strong. Also were he and Ghislaine Mossad agents? Where is the
record of how he attained his wealth? Was he blackmailing the rich and powerful and for what
purpose? Even if he did really hang himself, this story has legs.
@The Wizard
@The Wizard The acrobatics required to fall cleanly from the top of the bunk bed was
likely considerable for reasons you mentioned. For the sake of simplicity, in an already long
essay, I omitted such considerations because they would have been speculative and for which no
evidence could be adduced. My calculations were based on straightforward assumptions made as
cleanly as possible.
The death of JE should have been treated as a crime scene even if later discovered to be
self-induced. The excuse given by the correctional authorities will be that the EMTs were too
busy trying to resuscitate JE. The pictures of JE rolled out of his cell by several paramedics
calls that assumption into question. His face was deep purple (like the band) indicating his
demise had been certain at that time. The artiificial ventilation administered though a face
mask with an ambulance bag will not revive a dead man. The pictures were presented as excuses
to not treat the cell as a crime scene because of the necessity to revive JE. Thus details of
bedding, knots, terminal positioning before medical interventions would not be preserved.
In honor of JEs Deep Purple complexion and the mysterious circumstances which we are to
believe, I present Deep Purple singing "Hush". For this is what we are expected to
do--think no more about this suspicious occurrence.
Or theory number three - it wasn't JE. He was shuttled elsewhere, and replaced with a
similar looking fall guy.
Not that I buy the notion (nor do I discount it)...just that it is another concept people
bandy about.
DK posted this epic length (3.5 hour) story of JFK a while back which includes the
hypothesis that another body rather than JFK was autopsied. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ObvK4NR_LI
I would want to see pictures of the corpse at the scene with the bedsheet tied around
his neck. Was the length correct, and did the knot tighten enough?
There are two competing theories - one that he did indeed hang himself and two that he was
strangled and then the scene was rigged to make it look like a self hanging. I would think
that the physical evidence at the scene would tell the difference. But- since he was rushed
out by paramedics to an ambulance it may be that no photographic evidence or measurements
and we may not know. The bedsheet itself may tell a tale.
It seems from Ed's analysis that neck fracture by hanging would be possible but unlikely.
Considering the very difficult dynamics of doing this, I would think that he would need to
practice it to get it right. Getting the length of the bedsheet and the knots just right
would seem a difficult task. Launching your body off of the top bunk and keeping knees bent
at 90 degrees and falling cleanly would require practice. Perhaps he did practice and had
some failures, and that's why he screamed earlier.
Why would he not settle for a much easier to accomplish strangulation death? Autoerotic
asphyxiation deaths in the US are estimated to be between 250 to 1000 per year. The data is
poor because reporting and exact determination is weak. But the technique is much simpler.
Who knows what was going through his mind?
If the authorities in NYC do not present a thorough, completely compelling analysis then
this case will live on in inconclusive infamy, like the assassination of JFK, 911, and so
many more. The temptation to believe that the rich and powerful to whom he had provided
"services" had him killed is very very strong. Also were he and Ghislaine Mossad agents?
Where is the record of how he attained his wealth? Was he blackmailing the rich and
powerful and for what purpose? Even if he did really hang himself, this story has legs.
@The Wizard And takes possession of all the evidence, everyone is forced to speculate.
That is what the government does nearly all the time.
The one glaring exception in my memory is 9/11. The government was able to swoop in and get
all the evidence at the Pentagon, but not able to do it in NYC where the dust went everywhere
and even some other evidence like steel was taken to other places where the public could
observe and photo. And then there were the videos of the second plane hit and the collapse of
both towers and the collapse of WTC 7.
But most of the time the public never is privy to the evidence the government has.
And of course, many times the government makes the decision not to prosecute just to avoid
having to produce evidence. Will the government prosecute Ghislaine Maxwell or will it chose to
hide evidence instead? Could they prosecute her without getting into Epstein's death? I am sure
they are considering those implications. How is his death relevant to her crimes? Not seeing
any basis for that right now.
I would want to see pictures of the corpse at the scene with the bedsheet tied around
his neck. Was the length correct, and did the knot tighten enough?
There are two competing theories - one that he did indeed hang himself and two that he was
strangled and then the scene was rigged to make it look like a self hanging. I would think
that the physical evidence at the scene would tell the difference. But- since he was rushed
out by paramedics to an ambulance it may be that no photographic evidence or measurements
and we may not know. The bedsheet itself may tell a tale.
It seems from Ed's analysis that neck fracture by hanging would be possible but unlikely.
Considering the very difficult dynamics of doing this, I would think that he would need to
practice it to get it right. Getting the length of the bedsheet and the knots just right
would seem a difficult task. Launching your body off of the top bunk and keeping knees bent
at 90 degrees and falling cleanly would require practice. Perhaps he did practice and had
some failures, and that's why he screamed earlier.
Why would he not settle for a much easier to accomplish strangulation death? Autoerotic
asphyxiation deaths in the US are estimated to be between 250 to 1000 per year. The data is
poor because reporting and exact determination is weak. But the technique is much simpler.
Who knows what was going through his mind?
If the authorities in NYC do not present a thorough, completely compelling analysis then
this case will live on in inconclusive infamy, like the assassination of JFK, 911, and so
many more. The temptation to believe that the rich and powerful to whom he had provided
"services" had him killed is very very strong. Also were he and Ghislaine Mossad agents?
Where is the record of how he attained his wealth? Was he blackmailing the rich and
powerful and for what purpose? Even if he did really hang himself, this story has legs.
on line, very few people believe that story that we are being told No one really believes
that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide under the perfect set of circumstances that would have
allowed that to happen. It does not add up, especially the forensics which experts say are more
compatible with strangulation instead of hanging. Also Epstein was narcissistic and
sociopathic, not the type of personality that typically commits suicide.
The American people are waking up and are tired of being fed that same lies over and
over.
@gulfgal98 JE somehow picked a time when the video was not working and the guards were
asleep?
on line, very few people believe that story that we are being told No one really
believes that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide under the perfect set of circumstances that
would have allowed that to happen. It does not add up, especially the forensics which
experts say are more compatible with strangulation instead of hanging. Also Epstein was
narcissistic and sociopathic, not the type of personality that typically commits
suicide.
The American people are waking up and are tired of being fed that same lies over and
over.
It's remarkable to me how objective appraisals (of so many things) are derided as conspiracy
theories, while the most outrageous claims are put forth as the gospel truth.
Regarding "too many words", I was overwhelmed by the extent of your analysis. I'll have to
come back and finish reading it later. But I did finally look into what the hyoid bone is.
Would get seriously involved in this case, maybe for once, we could deter some of the lies
put out by the propagandists. But the medical and/or scientific community seems to always avoid
controversial issues so the propagandists just keep promoting their lies with impunity.
I get confused between hanging and strangulation when reading news stories. I remember Robin
Willams suicide being described as both. I guess I envisioned Epstein doing something similar.
Williams autopsy report seems pretty thorough
And on pg. 15, (Q, R) mention the vertebrae. It seems bed sheets, unless somehow wound very
tightly would have too much stretch to create an execution style hanging.
@Snode in which case, the post-mortem findings resemble those of strangulation. Refer
to the hanging article cited in my essay. Death, especially when caused by a shortened descent
distance during hanging, self-induced or judicial, can resemble those requiring longer periods
of force application such as auto-erotic strangulation.
I get confused between hanging and strangulation when reading news stories. I remember
Robin Willams suicide being described as both. I guess I envisioned Epstein doing something
similar. Williams autopsy report seems pretty thorough
And on pg. 15, (Q, R) mention the vertebrae. It seems bed sheets, unless somehow wound
very tightly would have too much stretch to create an execution style hanging.
That psychologically you are experiencing confirmation bias.
Because you BELIEVE that the alleged criminal Jefferey Epstein is guilty, you only see
evidence that proves that he was murdered. ALl of these things are easily explainable by the
proper authorities, but because YOU believe that there's a conspiracy you treat these innocuous
foul ups as proof of malicious intent.
And as we all know this man was forced to kill himself because of the anti-Semitic hate mob.
The fact that you show such disrespect to a victim and his family shows that you are nothing
but a trump supporting ur-quan SLime Wad!
WE SHALL QUICKLY FORM AN INTERNET MOB AND SHAME YOU! SHAME! SHAME!!!!
/snark
That psychologically you are experiencing confirmation bias.
Because you BELIEVE that the alleged criminal Jefferey Epstein is guilty, you only see
evidence that proves that he was murdered. ALl of these things are easily explainable by
the proper authorities, but because YOU believe that there's a conspiracy you treat these
innocuous foul ups as proof of malicious intent.
And as we all know this man was forced to kill himself because of the anti-Semitic hate
mob. The fact that you show such disrespect to a victim and his family shows that you are
nothing but a trump supporting ur-quan SLime Wad!
WE SHALL QUICKLY FORM AN INTERNET MOB AND SHAME YOU! SHAME! SHAME!!!!
/snark
This article https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/18/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-murder-hanging/
says the additional bone fractures were in the thyroid cartilage (which is not a bone).
Apparently, the cervical vertebrae weren't fractured, as far as I can tell. Thyroid cartilage
can be damaged in hanging, but is more commonly damaged upon strangulation. But to me the
suspicious part is the fact that both guards fell asleep (at the same time) and the camera was
also not working at that very moment. How likely is that?
@Scientist34again According to your citation, there was only one bone in the neck
broken--the hyoid. This occurs in self-inflicted hanging 15% or less, as per essay above. The
thyroid cartilage ia, as the name directly reveals, is not a bone. Fracturing of the thyroid
cartilage, which is the largest cartilaginous structure comprising the trachea, is implicated
in strangulation. Never, or almost never in hanging. Even in bungled judicial hanging, if the
rope slides only a little, the noose proceeds to lodge under the chin but above the thyroid
cartilage.
So what the hell is going on here? Is this the usual NYT screw up, not that we should be
surprised? Were there really two other bones broken in the neck? Let's see the autopsy report,
hopefully with photographs, imaging, etc. Not much chance of that.
This article https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/18/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-murder-hanging/
says the additional bone fractures were in the thyroid cartilage (which is not a bone).
Apparently, the cervical vertebrae weren't fractured, as far as I can tell. Thyroid
cartilage can be damaged in hanging, but is more commonly damaged upon strangulation. But
to me the suspicious part is the fact that both guards fell asleep (at the same time) and
the camera was also not working at that very moment. How likely is that?
According to NYT: "He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds,
then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck,
officials said." So his death should be compared with strangulation rather than execution-style
hanging.
Are broken cervical bones possible in such a case? Perhaps caused by "oh, shit" last moments
of struggle due to second thoughts? Who knows? However, broken hyoids are seen in some cases of
self-strangulation by ligature.
That being said, though, it's very strange that the stars aligned so magnificently as to
make this possible. Guards, one of whom wasn't even a correctional officer, that were derelict
in duty. Lack of cameras. Lack of suicide watch. Lack of bed checks. Placement in a cell with
bunk beds. Cellmate conveniently transferred the night before.
It may have been just an absurd set of random coincidences or it may have been a deliberate
assassination. If assassination, it's 99.999% likely they'll get away with it.
According to NYT: "He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds,
then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck,
officials said." So his death should be compared with strangulation rather than
execution-style hanging.
Are broken cervical bones possible in such a case? Perhaps caused by "oh, shit" last
moments of struggle due to second thoughts? Who knows? However, broken hyoids are seen in
some cases of self-strangulation by ligature.
That being said, though, it's very strange that the stars aligned so magnificently as to
make this possible. Guards, one of whom wasn't even a correctional officer, that were
derelict in duty. Lack of cameras. Lack of suicide watch. Lack of bed checks. Placement in
a cell with bunk beds. Cellmate conveniently transferred the night before.
It may have been just an absurd set of random coincidences or it may have been a
deliberate assassination. If assassination, it's 99.999% likely they'll get away with
it.
@edg in judicial or self-induced hanging. The C2-C3 fracture-dislocation would
represent a two bone fracture scenario. This type of fracture is less usual than C2 fractures,
a single bone fracture.
According to NYT: "He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds,
then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck,
officials said." So his death should be compared with strangulation rather than
execution-style hanging.
Are broken cervical bones possible in such a case? Perhaps caused by "oh, shit" last
moments of struggle due to second thoughts? Who knows? However, broken hyoids are seen in
some cases of self-strangulation by ligature.
That being said, though, it's very strange that the stars aligned so magnificently as to
make this possible. Guards, one of whom wasn't even a correctional officer, that were
derelict in duty. Lack of cameras. Lack of suicide watch. Lack of bed checks. Placement in
a cell with bunk beds. Cellmate conveniently transferred the night before.
It may have been just an absurd set of random coincidences or it may have been a
deliberate assassination. If assassination, it's 99.999% likely they'll get away with
it.
Cameras not working, guards asleep-- how did they happen to find him soon enough that EMTs
thought there was a chance of saving him and worked on him so hard? As far as I know, past a
certain point, a person is dead. And EMTs would not attempt resuscitation.
Another question is when and where the gurney photo was taken. Others have asked that, I
know. That gurney photo surprises me. It seems pretty clear that it is not J. Epstein. I wonder
who it is supposed to fool and why, or if someone managed to get a photo that was not supposed
to exist.
The whole thing is a sham, IMO. I don't know if he was murdered or swapped out with a
double, at some point. And I doubt we will ever know.
@Granma any emergency medical assistance to the man on the gurney. The room was
cluttered, not clean, not a hospital room.
More questions, and no answers in sight.
Cameras not working, guards asleep-- how did they happen to find him soon enough that
EMTs thought there was a chance of saving him and worked on him so hard? As far as I know,
past a certain point, a person is dead. And EMTs would not attempt resuscitation.
Another question is when and where the gurney photo was taken. Others have asked that, I
know. That gurney photo surprises me. It seems pretty clear that it is not J. Epstein. I
wonder who it is supposed to fool and why, or if someone managed to get a photo that was
not supposed to exist.
The whole thing is a sham, IMO. I don't know if he was murdered or swapped out with a
double, at some point. And I doubt we will ever know.
#14
any emergency medical assistance to the man on the gurney. The room was cluttered, not
clean, not a hospital room.
More questions, and no answers in sight.
Don't huge prisons have their own medical staff? If so why would they call paramedics?
Another abnormality is the time line. Lines. Someone on 8chan posted at 4:30 am that he had
died. The prison then said he died at 6:30 and other reports said 7:30. Seems very sloppy to
stage a suicide and then screw up the small details.
And why would they pull an old medical doctor out of retirement when he has to be older than
gawd? And one that has such a controversial history? JFK? Seriously?
#14.1.1
None of the commentary is mine. This is exactly how it appears on a jpeg. Making the rounds
and no idea of the source.
Don't huge prisons have their own medical staff? If so why would they call paramedics?
Another abnormality is the time line. Lines. Someone on 8chan posted at 4:30 am that he had
died. The prison then said he died at 6:30 and other reports said 7:30. Seems very sloppy
to stage a suicide and then screw up the small details.
And why would they pull an old medical doctor out of retirement when he has to be older
than gawd? And one that has such a controversial history? JFK? Seriously?
and wrote a
letter with lots of questions regarding protocol for people who are on suicide watch. One
question I would like to see asked is what is the protocol for prisons that don't have enough
staff to prisoners ratio. We have been told that most of the guards at the MCC were working
mandatory over time and the two who were responsible for monitoring him fell asleep the night
that the deed happened. This doesn't seem to be a safe environment for people who are in prison
when it's the prison's responsibility to take care of them.
One person gone, let's see how many others will be held accountable for this.
@snoopydawg The warden is likely going to be fired along with everyone else who was
supposed to be managing JE's confinement. Will criminal charges be brought against
anyone--especially the guards who faked their surveillance logs?
I will be interested in the answers provided to the questions raised in the Zerohedge
article.
and wrote a
letter with lots of questions regarding protocol for people who are on suicide watch.
One question I would like to see asked is what is the protocol for prisons that don't have
enough staff to prisoners ratio. We have been told that most of the guards at the MCC were
working mandatory over time and the two who were responsible for monitoring him fell asleep
the night that the deed happened. This doesn't seem to be a safe environment for people who
are in prison when it's the prison's responsibility to take care of them.
One person gone, let's see how many others will be held accountable for this.
#15
The warden is likely going to be fired along with everyone else who was supposed to be
managing JE's confinement. Will criminal charges be brought against anyone--especially the
guards who faked their surveillance logs?
I will be interested in the answers provided to the questions raised in the Zerohedge
article.
keep Epstein safe was Bill Barr.
Kevin Shippe is an ex CIA (FBI?) agent who thinks that with everything that went wrong that
night means that Epstein was murdered. The timing was too convenient. Just after the records
were partially unsealed. Qui Bono with those records? And what will happen to all the evidence
from Epstein's NYC house and from his island? Will they ever see the light of day and name
names?
Zero Hedges has another article on everyone's connections to Israel through Maxwell and then
Epstein. It's on t2-3 page IIRC. Israel has been known to be spying on our government and us
wee people for a very long time. Which makes the silly Russia Gate saga even more silly. Russia
doesn't have a pro Russian lobbyist group anywhere near as powerful as AIPAC. I'm hoping Webb's
next essay comes out soon.
#15
The warden is likely going to be fired along with everyone else who was supposed to be
managing JE's confinement. Will criminal charges be brought against anyone--especially the
guards who faked their surveillance logs?
I will be interested in the answers provided to the questions raised in the Zerohedge
article.
I thought you were going to say that lying on that gurney, we see a head, but no body and no
legs. I listened to a woman on Tim Black's show, who was a former cop, parole officer, etc,
stating several things that were amiss...
1) For a prisoner on suicide watch, the sheets are like paper and are not strong enough to hang
anyone.
2) The officers would have/should have noticed that cameras weren't working, and an officer is
supposed to do a physical (sight) inspection.
3) She felt that the person lying there was not Epstein. Look at the hair color, hair line, as
well, she mentioned the eyebrows and his ears. Our ear canals are just as distinct as our
fingerprints.
4) She also noticed no body and no legs can be seen in the photos.
I'm not sure whether to believe he was murdered, or was hijacked out of there. He has enough
money to pay for top-notch cosmetic surgery. Frankly, at this point, I don't believe anything
our government tells us, nor our news media.
I thought you were going to say that lying on that gurney, we see a head, but no body
and no legs. I listened to a woman on Tim Black's show, who was a former cop, parole
officer, etc, stating several things that were amiss...
1) For a prisoner on suicide watch, the sheets are like paper and are not strong enough to
hang anyone.
2) The officers would have/should have noticed that cameras weren't working, and an officer
is supposed to do a physical (sight) inspection.
3) She felt that the person lying there was not Epstein. Look at the hair color, hair line,
as well, she mentioned the eyebrows and his ears. Our ear canals are just as distinct as
our fingerprints.
4) She also noticed no body and no legs can be seen in the photos.
I'm not sure whether to believe he was murdered, or was hijacked out of there. He has
enough money to pay for top-notch cosmetic surgery. Frankly, at this point, I don't believe
anything our government tells us, nor our news media.
Just days after the 'suiciding' of Establishment Enemy #1 Jeffrey Epstein, Attorney General
William Barr has ordered the removal of acting Bureau of Prisons director Hugh Hurwitz from the
top position in aftermath of Epstein death. Barr is reportedly appointing Kathleen Hawk (who
previously occupied the role between 1992 and 2003) as Director the Federal Bureau of Prisons
(with Thomas R.Kane as Deputy) .
This move by Barr comes a few days after Reps. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Chairman of the House
Judiciary Committee and Doug Collins (R-GA), Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee,
today
sent a letter to the Acting Director of the Bureau of Prisons, Hugh Hurwitz, to demand
answers after Jeffrey Epstein was found dead from an apparent suicide while in custody at the
Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York.
Dear Acting Director Hurwitz:
As Chairman and Ranking Member of the House Committee on the Judiciary, we write concerning
the news, as provided in a statement by Attorney General William Barr and a press release
subsequently issued by the Bureau of Prisons (BOP), that Jeffrey Epstein was found dead from an
apparent suicide on the morning of August 10, 2019, while in your custody at the Metropolitan
Correctional Center in New York (MCC New York).
The apparent suicide of this high-profile and -- if allegations are proven to be accurate --
particularly reprehensible individual while in the federal government's custody demonstrates
severe miscarriages of or deficiencies in inmate protocol and has allowed the deceased to
ultimately evade facing justice. Any victims of Mr. Epstein's actions will forever be denied
proper recourse and the scintilla of recompense our justice system can provide in the face of
such alleged atrocities; the competency and rigor of our criminal justice system has been
marred by this apparent oversight.
As the Attorney General stated, "Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be
answered." We agree, and therefore ask that you provide responses to the following questions
concerning this incident, and BOP policies pertaining to inmates considered at risk for suicide
and how such policies were implemented in this case.
We understand that BOP implements its suicide prevention program pursuant to BOP Program
Statement P5324.08. Is this correct? Please provide copies of any other documents that may
govern the implementation of this program on a Bureau-wide basis and also any documents
internal to MCC New York applying to the implementation of suicide prevention policies at
that facility.
Since July 6, when Mr. Epstein arrived at MCC New York as a pretrial detainee, what
evaluations were conducted concerning his mental status and possible risk of suicide? Please
provide any documents related to any such evaluations.
Please describe the classifications of the housing units Mr. Epstein was placed in for
each day he was in custody, and whether or not Mr. Epstein was placed in single-cell
confinement or restrictive housing.
Does MCC New York have rooms specifically designated for housing inmates on suicide
watch?
What is BOP, and MCC New York's policy regarding the placement and housing conditions of
inmates accused of sex offenses? Was this policy followed in this instance?
What is BOP's policy concerning single-cell confinement, or restrictive housing, for
inmates (and pretrial detainees, if different) presenting with mental health concerns? What
is BOP's policy concerning such confinement for pretrial detainees and inmates presenting
with risk of possible suicide?
Please describe the circumstances of Mr. Epstein's confinement, including whether he was
housed alone for the entirety of his incarceration or with other inmates, and the conditions
of the cell or cells where he was confined.
Please describe the nature of BOP's monitoring of Mr. Epstein while on suicide watch and
while not on suicide watch, including, under both circumstances, the number of correctional
officers assigned to monitor him, and the frequency and nature of check-ins or contact with
Mr. Epstein by correctional officers.
Please provide information pertaining to the individual correctional officers who were
responsible for monitoring Mr. Epstein on August 9 and August 10, specifically with respect
to how long they had been on their shifts at the time Mr. Epstein had been found
non-responsive in his cell.
It has been reported that Mr. Epstein had been placed on suicide watch at some point
while in custody, and that this watch was terminated. Is this correct? If so, please provide
the date and time when he was placed on suicide watch and the date and time when he was
removed from suicide watch.
It is our understanding that BOP policy states that only the "program coordinator" for a
facility's suicide prevention program has the authority to remove an inmate from suicide
watch. Is this correct?
Does MCC New York have such a program coordinator? Did he or she authorize the removal of
Mr. Epstein from suicide watch? If not, who did?
Did the program coordinator consult with anyone else in making this determination? If so,
who?
Was the termination of Mr. Epstein's suicide watch by the official who made such
determination discussed with or directed by any supervisory personnel or leadership of BOP or
any DOJ personnel or executive branch personnel outside of BOP?
Who at BOP, DOJ, and elsewhere in the executive branch was notified of the termination of
Mr. Epstein's suicide watch and when?
It is our understanding that BOP policy requires that the program coordinator issue a
"post-watch" report prior to, or as soon as possible following, watch termination. In the
case of Mr. Epstein, was such a report issued? If so, please provide a copy of the report and
any underlying evaluation and documentation. If not, please otherwise detail the basis for
removing Mr. Epstein from suicide watch and provide any related evaluation and
documentation.
If Mr. Epstein was removed from suicide watch, what precautions were put in place to help
prevent the possibility of self-injury for Mr. Epstein given that he was transitioning from
suicide watch? Were there any steps taken to remove possible implements of self-injury?
If, as you have stated, Mr. Epstein died of an apparent suicide, what are the facts and
circumstances that led you to make that determination, and please provide a copy of the
report of the autopsy which was subsequently performed.
Was any plan implemented to check in on and observe Mr. Epstein on a regular basis after
the termination of his suicide watch?
Were any video surveillance cameras placed in or near Mr. Epstein's cell? Were they
operational in the hours prior to and during the time of the injury to and death of Mr.
Epstein? Did they indicate or do recordings show the circumstances that led to Mr. Epstein's
death, or the presence of any other person during this time period?
What is BOP's policy for providing recurring, specific mental health and suicide
prevention training to its personnel?
When the relevant supervisory personnel and correctional staff at MCC New York last
receive suicide prevention training?
Do BOP's suicide prevention policies apply to all prisons which provide housing for
federal inmates, including contract facilities?
The Attorney General has stated that the FBI and the Inspector General of the Department of
Justice are investigating the death of Mr. Epstein, and we look forward to learning the results
of their inquiries. However, it is imperative that the Committee on the Judiciary, which has
the responsibility to exercise oversight over the Department of Justice, receive responses to
these questions related to the adequacy of BOP's suicide prevention policies and their
implementation in this instance, as soon as possible. Therefore, please respond to these
questions by August 21.
I just saw on Fox News that the "celebrity pathologist" Michael Baden who the
Epstein family hired to independently observe the autopsy is "under gag order". I wonder why
that is. At the 0:15 mark here:
Eminent forensics Professor Cyril Wecht, a respected and courageous expert who played a
important role in debunking the lies and cover up surrounding the JFK assassination, does not
buy up Jeffrey Epstein's hanging himself just by leaning off his bed:
Re the Epstein story, the Occupied Media is focusing on the means rather than at the end. The
means: provide under-age sex to the so-called elite.
The end: blackmail the "elite" clients on behalf of a foreign intelligence service.
The Occupied Media is pretending the Caribbean island, the money, the connections, and the
organization were to provide sex for the so-called elite. It doesn't want to probe further as
to the reason for the existence of Epstein's monster.
There's nothing new here. From 1947 to 1961 the Mossad had a superspy in Lebanon who ran
half-a-dozen brothels in various parts of Beirut which specialized in servicing the elite.
The superspy, born in Argentina, was Shulamit Cohen. She had four or five fake names. For
fourteen years she extracted Lebanese and Syrian government secrets from her
government/military clients. Assisting her were a number of Jewish prostitutes (Rachel,
Marcella, Ronit, etc.) and several Arabs who received money and were provided with free
access to the prostitutes. Her primary Lebanese agent was Mahmoud Awad, a big wheel in the
government. Cohen was so well connected that in the early s she arranged a secret
meeting between a Syrian colonel and a Mossad agent. The colonel later became president of
Syria.
The Mossad provided her with secret cameras and other paraphernalia for blackmail
purposes.
Pioneering what Epstein did, Mrs. Cohen (she was married to a Jewish businessman) offered
a beautiful 14-year-old Lebanese girl to her top clients. Cohen also ran the Rambo "Pub" in
the affluent Hamra district to provide sexual services to government and military people. She
also installed sleepers in the army. Together with a French Jew she almost wrecked the
Lebanese banking system through an embezzlement scheme. In the late s, a Syrian
military officer told the Lebanese that Cohen was an Israeli spy. The nonchalant Lebanese
said Shula was above suspicion. But eventually (1961), Cohen was arrested along with some of
her associates. Awad conveniently died of a heart attack in jail a month after his arrest.
Cohen was condemned to death but the sentence was commuted to twenty years. In 1967, she was
handed to Israel in a prisoner exchange. She was hailed as a national hero there. Cohen lived
in Jerusalem for many years. There's a similar story about another Mossad madame in Egypt in
the pre-Nasser days.
Jeffrey Epstein interpretation options, from comments on the web:
Epstein's end -- 3 choices -- Suicide, murder, or in Israel?
Maybe ordered like this --
Broke -- Official story -- 'suicide' ?
Woke -- 'Murder' story -- distraction ?
Bespoke -- Real story -- extraction ? Jeffrey Epstein now lives in Israel ?
Was escape to Israel the ultimate payoff for Epstein's decades of work for Mossad,
grooming and abusing young teens, filmed in flagrante delicto with prominent people for
political blackmail?
As financed by the Mossad-supporting Mega group of a score of Jewish billionaires,
started in the 1990s by the ultra-ZIonist Bronfmans, & Jewish underwear mogul Les
Wexner, who gave Epstein tens of millions & let Epstein have the NYC mansion Wexner
bought?
With the Epstein 'death in jail' under the US Attorney General Bill Barr, whose
Jewish-born ex-OSS father Donald Barr had written a 'fantasy novel' on sex slavery with
scenes of rape of underage teens, 'Space Relations', written whilst Don Barr was headmaster
of the Dalton school, which gave Epstein his first job, teaching teens And Barr asking for an
'investigation' by also-Jewish DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz --
And Epstein's Jewish lawyers hiring 85-year-old Jewish forensic pathologist Dr Michael
Baden to review Epstein's autopsy, Baden infamous for his 1970s US Congress report supporting
the weird 'single magic bullet' argument in the JFK assassination, Baden helping to deflect
from any Israeli-Mossad involvement in President Kennedy's death --
Hence, Attorney General 'Butterball' Bill Barr, having been a CIA officer in youth
1973-77, the CIA supporting Barr thru night law school, as well as Barr having a Jewish-born
father will be hot on the trail of any Mossad links in the case, given the long-standing
CIA-Mossad connections?
QAnon had already laid it out for everyone to see.
William Barr's father hired Epstein in the early 1970's to work as a teacher at an
exclusive prep school. The father had worked in intelligence during World War II. Epstein was
groomed to work for Mossad. Interestingly enough, Barr's father wrote a science fiction novel
with a sexual slavery theme. Prominent men including Trump were pulled into Epstein's lair.
One such man is a famous Harvard lawyer, who used his White House connections to ensure
Epstein's untimely demise.
Go to NeonRevolt's site. He has further details. Sells merchandise, too.
Francesca
Judicial hangings were/are designed to snap the neck bones, causing death to come quickly .That is why the victims body weight,
slackness of rope, height of drop are carefully calibrated .
Some judicial hangings don't end with a broken neck
Suicide hangings are one thing .if the suicide has the choice, they can leap or kick off from a height, and access a rope Even
this does not always end in neck snapping and pretty instant death, but asphyxiation .People generally don't have the physics at
their fingertips.
Jail suicides are another , and most often end in aspyxiation .There just isn't the height , or the ligature .
"Zhongxue Hua,
the Bergen County medical examiner in New Jersey, said a neck fracture was atypical in a suicide but warned not to jump to
conclusions.
"It's unusual to have a neck fracture," Hua said. "But the first question to address is when did it occur.
"If Epstein's neck fracture was fresh, Hua said, then "at a minimum, it's a very unusual suicide."
It attracts attention and will do so for many days to come. There are even some usually astute people suggesting that he may not
be dead but might have been secretly whisked off somewhere and replaced with a dead look-alike.
Now, who would profit from suggesting something as insane as this?
The speculation runs rampant and feeds the spectacle. Whether he was allowed to kill himself or was killed makes little difference.
It's akin to asking who pulled the trigger that killed President Kennedy. That's a debate that was intended to go nowhere, as
it has, after it became apparent that Lee Harvey Oswald surely did not kill JFK. John Kennedy's murder in broad daylight in public
view is the paradigmatic event of modern times. It is obvious to anyone that gives minimal study to the issue that it was organized
and carried out by elements within the national security state, notably the CIA.
Their message was meant to be unequivocal and clear: We can kill him and we can kill you; we are in full control; beware. Then
they went on to kill others, including RFK and MLK. It takes little intelligence to see this obvious fact, unless you wish not to
or are totally lost in the neighborhood of make-believe.
As it was with Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald, so it is with Epstein. There will be no trial. Nothing is really hidden except
the essential truth. Guess, debate, wonder, watch, read to your sad heart's content. You will have gotten nowhere unless you step
outside the frame of the reigning narrative.
nottheonly1
Those of us who oppose these criminals – and there are growing numbers all over the world – must avoid being sucked into
the establishment narratives and the counter-narratives they spawn or create. We must refuse to get involved in pseudo-debates
that are meant to lead nowhere. We must reject the language created to confuse.
To arrive at this conclusion is an attest of the deepest truth a mind can grasp. If I could only talk to someone as astute
as You. This is not flattery, but the mere realization, that there is nobody in my surroundings that possesses Your ability to
make such a point.
That there are now so few people that can have this insight is the result of the absence of philosophy from our lives. It is
philosophy who opens the mind and therefore it had to be removed from society. People are well advised to look into it, to overcome
this barrage of fabricated narratives.
Tim Hall
We have little or no true understanding to the degree that propaganda has been scientifically applied (estimated number engaged
on this insidious activity 50,000 in 1991, under the all powerful Tavistock Institute) over 73 years to brainwashing and misdirecting
the populations perception of reality – your article reflects this fact. CIA, Deep State et al are simply agents of a far bigger
entity who's accumulated power and reach, built up assiduously over centuries, has now reached an unassailable level of control
over the world which it intends to effectively own.
I suggest all readers refer to the following link to appreciate the futility of humanity's current position in regard to it's
ability to resist the coming onslaught to its survival.
Edward, this sentiment is laudable, but they hold such a grip on mass psychological control that such sentiments represent
chaff on the wind.
If revolutionary change is to come, we must learn to tell a new story in language so beautiful, illuminating, and heart-rending
that no one will listen to the lying words of child molesters, mass murderers, and those who hate and persecute truth-tellers.
mark
In Britain, the post mortem, by a Home Office pathologist, would establish the physical cause of death.
Sometimes this is delayed in waiting for toxicology results.
Probably "Suspension" (Hanging.)
Any separate injuries or existing medical conditions would be noted in the post mortem report.
In the absence of any police criminal investigation, it would then be for a Coroner's Inquest, almost certainly sitting with
a jury, to give a verdict.
Suicide, accidental death, misadventure, unlawful killing, open verdict.
It is for the Coroner's Court to examine the evidence and arrive at a verdict.
If there is doubt or uncertainty, there is the option of an Open Verdict.
Hanging could lead to a verdict of accident or misadventure in certain circumstances.
There was a case where a group of youths saw that someone had left a noose hanging from a tree in a park. One of them, larking
around, put his head in the noose and accidentally hanged himself.
The US system seems to short circuit the decision making process of the Coroner's Court.
This appears to be no more than an opinion by the medical examiner, sometimes misleadingly referred to as the Coroner.
There seems to be no equivalent to the Coroner's Court.
William H Booby
He killed himself and the proof is the BBC said it, anyone who disagrees wears a tinfoil hat
Jeffrey Epstein's cause of death was officially determined to be suicide by hanging, the New
York Medical Examiner's office said Friday, multiple outlets reported.
Epstein, 66, was found unconscious in his cell at the fortress-like Metropolitan
Correctional Center on Saturday at 6:30 a.m. He was promptly rushed to a nearby hospital, where
he was declared dead.
The disgraced financier had been awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges more than
a decade after a receiving an enormously lenient sentence on related offenses. He faced
accusations from dozens of women, according to prosecutors.
After observers questioned why such a high-profile inmate was left unmonitored, the FBI
released a statement on Saturday calling Epstein's death an "apparent suicide."
This latest report from the medical examiner came after The Washington Post reported that
officials had found several broken bones in Epstein's neck, which prompted even more
questions.
Attorney General William Barr said in a searing statement that there had been "serious
irregularities" in Epstein's detention and asked the Inspector General to open an
investigation. Other investigations, conducted by the FBI and the New York Medical Examiner's
office, are also underway.
Epstein's lawyers vowed to independently investigate the circumstances surrounding Epstein's
death, which they blamed on MCC, and threatened legal action to view any video that may
exist.
Epstein's "safety was the responsibility of the MCC. It is indisputable that authorities
violated their own protocols," the attorneys said:
First, no one should die in jail. And no one, not Mr. Epstein who was presumed
innocent and had violated no prison disciplinary rule, and not anyone should be
imprisoned under the harsh, even medieval conditions at the MCC where Mr. Epstein
spent his final hours. His safety was the responsibility of the MCC. It is indisputable
that the authorities violated their own protocols. The defense team fully intends to
conduct its own independent and complete investigation into the circumstances and
cause of Mr. Epstein's death including if necessary legal action to view the pivotal
videos - if they exist as they should - of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's cell
during
the time period leading to his death. We are not satisfied with the conclusions of the
medical examiner. We will have a more complete response in the coming days.
Martin G Weinberg, Reid Weingarten, Michael Miller
"... The broad outline of appearances, that a suicide may have been enabled by outside forces, is probably correct. Epstein had played his last hand to stay out of custody, and so to all his clandestine associates he had become a liability, possibly existential. ..."
"... He didn't want to face his accusers either, and knew he'd be hunted perpetually from that point if not before. His life was over. Death is a sweet dream compared to life in prison for a sex criminal and probably more. ..."
"... It wasn't just Epstein's money that enabled his circus and protected him. He had enablers and clients, and that was where his previous untouchability came from – they didn't want to be exposed either. ..."
"... In the grand scheme of things, there is a compelling historical argument for the idea that when the NSA/CIA was created, Dulles found an opportunity to consolidate control of information and by logic, populations which was in reality, a velvet coup. The other aspect this control and coup was NACA being taken over by Nazi Intel/strategists/scientists/war planners through Paper Clip and other relations of the Dulles family were involved with this. Dulles had not one patriotic bone in his body but only cared about elitism, and power. Yes, he made patriotic statements but they were as thin as his skin. ..."
JOHN KIRIAKOU: How a Suicide Watch Really Works August 14, 2019 •
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If Jeffrey Epstein's death turns out to have been self-inflicted, it would represent a
complete breakdown in the system that was supposed to protect him.
A cottage industry has been spawned over the past week for the chattering classes on every
network to comment on the apparent suicide of Jeffrey Epstein, the millionaire financier
charged with sex-trafficking of underage girls.
The talking heads have also babbled on about the inner workings of federal prisons. Nearly
every word I've heard is either factually incorrect, out of context, or fantastical. I
spent 23 months in a federal penitentiary and served on suicide watch over a fellow inmate.
So I can set the record straight about how suicide watches work in federal prisons, and about
the conditions that led Epstein, apparently , to take his own life. If Epstein's death
turns out to have been an actual suicide, it would be the result of a complete breakdown in the
system that was supposed to protect him.
First, suicide watch in the federal prison system is a big deal. When a prisoner is
suicidal, or has attempted suicide, he is placed in a designated "suicide watch room." It is a
physical room in the medical unit where one wall is a window. The prisoner is stripped naked
and given a paper smock to wear. There are no sheets or pillowcases on the bed. So the prisoner
doesn't harm himself, there is nothing else inside the room other than a sink and a toilet.
Outside that window wall, a rotating shift of prisoner volunteers sits 24 hours a day to watch
the prisoner to make sure he doesn't attempt suicide again. There are also video cameras inside
the room to ensure the prisoner does not try to harm himself. Uniformed guards check on the
prisoner every 30 minutes, and a nurse, physician's assistant, or psychologist visits the
prisoner at least once a day.
NYC prison where Jeffrey Epstein was found dead.
(Jim Henderson, CC0, Wikimedia Commons)
When the prisoner is released from suicide watch, which usually takes a week or two, one of
two things happen: Either the prisoner is returned to his cell, where he normally has between
one and five cellmates, or he is sent to solitary confinement, where he can be watched more
closely than he could be watched in the general population. In most prisons, solitary
confinement is not at all solitary. Solitary confinement is usually grossly overcrowded with
two or even three prisoners in each cell built for one. One prisoner is in a bunk and the other
one or two sleep on mats on the floor. Depending on the prison, guards patrol the unit every 15
or 30 minutes to make sure than nothing untoward is taking place. And don't forget that there
are security cameras that cover literally every inch of a prison every minute of every day. At
least, there are supposed to be.
Many Mistakes
So how did Epstein kill himself, if that's what happened? Every safeguard at every turn had
to fail. First, we know that Epstein was not on suicide watch. He had been removed,
despite the fact that he had only recently attempted suicide. That was a mistake.
We know also that Epstein was returned to a two-man cell and that his cellmate had been
transferred to another prison, leaving him alone there. That was a mistake.
We know that two of the three guards who were responsible for watching Epstein were not
trained corrections officers. The prison was short staffed -- most are -- and two of the three
guards were actually supposed to be assigned elsewhere in the prison. (Secretaries, nurses,
even the dentist and the chaplain sometimes pitch in when there aren't enough guards.) That was
a mistake.
Two of the three guards also were exhausted. One had worked overtime five days in a row and
another was working mandatory overtime. That was a mistake. The guards were supposed to make
rounds every 30 minutes to make sure that everything was in order and no prisoners were in
danger. They didn't do that. That was yet another mistake.
Mug shot of Jeffrey Epstein taken in 2006 following his indictment for soliciting
prostitution from underage girls. (Wikimedia Commons)
None of these observations answers the question of whether Epstein actually committed
suicide. It appears that he did. But, let's not forget that in any prison in America, sex
offenders -- and especially those who sexually assault children -- are the lowest of the low.
Their lives are always in danger. I can tell you a hundred stories of assaults on pedophiles
that I observed from my time at the Federal Correctional Institution at Loretto,
Pennsylvania.
One of the reasons that almost all pedophiles are kept in low-security prisons is that
they're so much more likely to be assaulted or even murdered in higher-security facilities and
they're not eligible to be placed in minimum-security work camps because of the gravity of
their crimes. The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, however, where Epstein was
awaiting trial, is a maximum-security facility because it's a transportation center. Almost
every prisoner there is awaiting trial and will eventually be sent somewhere else. Epstein was
likely a marked man from the minute he walked through the door.
I don't know if Epstein committed suicide. When we have to choose between incompetence and
conspiracy, I usually go with incompetence, though there are many powerful people who were in
Epstein's circle who would not have wanted
facts to emerge at his trial. One cannot rule out that all these mistakes made could have
been intentional to create the conditions for him to attempt suicide again -- this time
successfully.
One of my attorneys gave me some advice before I left for prison. "Don't make anybody
angry," he said. "Most prisoners are attached to one gang or another -- the Italians, the
Aryans, the Crips and the Bloods, MS-13, the Mexican drug gangs. Every one of them has a long
arm and they can reach into any prison in the country."
John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior investigator with
the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. John became the sixth whistleblower indicted by the
Obama administration under the Espionage Act -- a law designed to punish spies. He served 23
months in prison as a result of his attempts to oppose the Bush administration's torture
program.
Abby , August 16, 2019 at 00:29
Even if the camera outside Epstein's cell wasn't working there would be plenty more in the
prison as John mentioned that would have caught anyone who wasn't supposed to be in the area.
This is what I'd like Barr to address. And I've read that Barr visited Epstein not long
before he died. What happened during this visit?
I believe that he was either killed or he was switched out of the prison.
A conspiracy involving an event such as this would be on the scale where multiple patsies
and alibis would be also part of the plan.
In the course of actual events, any one or a bunch might get compromised, so there have to
be others.
We see that already in the multiple causes of failure, every one in a long string of
safeguards having been somehow defeated, each seemingly independent of the others.
Eventually there may be personalities behind these failures. Personalities chosen because
the planners didn't like them.
The broad outline of appearances, that a suicide may have been enabled by outside
forces, is probably correct. Epstein had played his last hand to stay out of custody, and so
to all his clandestine associates he had become a liability, possibly existential.
He didn't want to face his accusers either, and knew he'd be hunted perpetually from
that point if not before. His life was over. Death is a sweet dream compared to life in
prison for a sex criminal and probably more.
It wasn't just Epstein's money that enabled his circus and protected him. He had
enablers and clients, and that was where his previous untouchability came from – they
didn't want to be exposed either.
Though, he also did have enough money to help pave his own suicide enablement, and his
enablers would be fine with that also.
Jill , August 15, 2019 at 13:04
So the latest is that maybe he suicided or maybe he was a victim of assisted suicide. They
can't tell for sure because it can look like assisted suicide when and older person has their
hyoid bone broken during hanging. Prisons and jails are full of cameras. (MCC is called NY's
Gitmo).
It is very easy to anonymize the footage of the hallway and surrounding environment with
today's technology to protect people's privacy. Where is that footage? Screams were reported.
If so, unless it's the Pentagon on 9/11 and all the cameras were turned off, then there will
be a pick up of screams and any other unusual events at MCC. Even if no video shows exactly
what happened in that cell, the cameras should pick up sound. That footage should be
available.
There is paperwork. Let's see it.
Finally, it is quite clear that Maxwell took part in the rape, as well as the procurement
of children. Where is her arrest warrant?
Robert Emmett , August 15, 2019 at 11:38
This story has eaten away my resistance to it. Especially after reading Whitney Webb's
incredibly detailed account of how far back this shit is connected (at Mint Press). And so
does this incident, now, at the jail, not seem to be deliberately splashed in our faces? Yet,
from a different vantage point, I see it as another layer of the veil removed so that more
people will see more clearly.
... ... ...
Dr. Weezil , August 15, 2019 at 09:59
"When we have to choose between incompetence and conspiracy, I usually go with
incompetence,"
"John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior investigator
with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."
When we have to choose between what the CIA says and the truth, I usually go with the
truth.
Litchfield , August 15, 2019 at 14:21
The public is also expected to believe in an inconceivable series of FUBARs that underlie
the official 9/11 narrative. Of course hardly anyone believes the ridiculous story, which
relies on accepting that all of our multi-billion-dollar defense systems failed and that the
City of NY is incapable of ensuring a chain of evidence, except for the passport. However,
most have given up even speaking about it from emotional fatigue -- there is nothing be
gained by getting upset about it now. It is like a demented family member who cannot be cured
and so is locked away in an institution or the the attic. Just don't bring it up. Ditto,
Dallas 1963. Yet there is an unspoken and also spoken assumption that we have been lied to.
And that these lies have changed everything.
So, I would say that the incompetence defense is the last refuge of the knaves who are
running the US of A into the ground, and their presstitute stenographers.
Peedee , August 14, 2019 at 21:25
His death was extraordinarily convenient. We don't need the details to figure out that
something is amiss.
Tom Kath , August 14, 2019 at 20:41
The main crime of powerful people or agencies using surveillance and personal information
to "fiddle" with the minds, beliefs, and perspectives of an entire population, is being lost
in the smoke screen frenzy about the age of sexual consent.
The questions about whether the victims were really innocent, trusting, defenceless,
prepubescent, infants, or not, are very minor questions compared to how innocent, helpless,
and unaware the general population is.
We are not primarily dealing with SEX offences, but gross, vile, repugnant MANIPULATION of
adult minds.
nom de pleb , August 14, 2019 at 20:18
Just playing devil's advocate
Given the powerful players surrounding Epstein, it seems at least somewhat plausible that
the verification/autopsy could have been fabricated to provide the appearance of his
death.
Also, I know little of Epstein's brother so currently have no reason to believe he would
not have lied to facilitate Jeffery's discreet relocation.
Now I'm in no way implying here that he's not dead. Only that the principals involved have
the power to potentially stage his death, affect the participation of officials in the
cover-up, and relocate him. Especially true when intelligence agencies are involved.
Personally, I do not believe this line of reasoning is currently the most probable. But I
haven't seen any truly independent proof that rules it out completely. Maybe said proof
exists, but I haven't seen it yet.
If his handlers/co-conspirators had low confidence he would keep his mouth shut, they
probably suicided him. If the opposite (i.e., they were confident he was "their man"), then
they may have gone to the effort to relocate him. Either way (or a different way), they had
the means, motive, and opportunity.
Marko , August 14, 2019 at 17:48
Haha. Yeah , me too.
Jeffrey Epstein's shocking death occurred at an ultra-secure federal lock-up where suicide
is supposedly next to impossible .Suicide at the jail, which serves mainly as a holding
facility for about 765 men and women awaiting trial for federal crimes of all levels, is
rare. A review of published stories found only one such death in the past 21 years, the 1998
suicide of South Philadelphia drug kingpin Louis Turra, who reportedly hanged himself. A
handful of suicide attempts were also reported ."
John Kiriakou misses a few things here, and I would like to add new information which
gives perspective to the events.
After Epstein was transferred to a cell with another prisoner, that prisoner was
transferred out and not replaced. That seems rather odd behavior for a crowded and
under-staffed facility.
Plus, there is the fact that we're talking about an inmate recently taken off "suicide
watch," one who had a recent actual "attempt," and not just any inmate but an extremely
high-profile inmate, likely the most notorious prisoner in the country.
We know now that in the three hours before Epstein died, no checks on his cell were made,
even though they are supposed to be made every thirty minutes at that facility.
The guards that were to have done the checks are now said to have fallen asleep, and it is
claimed that afterward the log record was falsified to say they had indeed made the
checks.
The wife of an inmate in the same facility has told reporters that security there was
unbelievably strict. When she visited her husband, two guards and a senior officer were
required just for his transfer to the visitors' center.
There is still no meaningful explanation of why there is no video of the period, just the
flabby assertion that the system was out of order.
I tend somewhat to disagree with the author's assertion, "Epstein was likely a marked man
from the minute he walked through the door."
The author's basis for saying that is the classic idea that in prisons, sex offenders are
regarded as "the lowest of the low."
And that line is very much being taken by the mainline press. It just happens also to have
the publicity value of tarring the prisoner, rather than scrutinizing his treatment.
While I think it is absolutely true of the kind of person we usually think of when we read
the words, "sex offender," as, say, someone who sexually assaults a young child, I'm not at
all sure that it's necessarily true of someone like Epstein. Prisoners are, of course,
motivated by a sense that where they are forced to live cannot be regarded as a dumping
ground for "scum." There is a strict social hierarchy even in prisons.
Epstein did not regard himself as a "sex offender," at all. He would openly discuss the
matter with others, even members of the press, saying society was hypocritical, just as it
was in many places with homosexuality, and that his kind sexual activity, in earlier times,
was common in our society.
Of course, we do know that once it was common for a fourteen-year old girl to be married.
In Europe, a few centuries ago, girls of twelve were betrothed sometimes, and in royal
circles. And that is still common in many poor countries with girls as young as twelve being
married off by their families, as, for example, in parts of India. Neither did Epstein's
demi-monde family view him as a "sex offender," including a list of notable characters, such
as Robert Maxwell's daughter who acted as a Madam for the many young women.
Neither, pretty clearly, did his bevy of famous friends and visitors, including former
President Bill Clinton, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, former Sen George Mitchell
(I was sorry to learn), Alan Dershowitz, Woody Allen, the Saudi Crown Prince (who, like Bill
Clinton, made many trips), many Silicon Valley notables (including Bill Gates who flew on
"the Lolita Express" at least once), Britain's Prince Andrew (many visits), Gov Richardson of
New Mexico, (reportedly) former Prime Minister Tony Blair, and scores and scores of
others.
I'm sure he was regarded as shady and salacious and off-color, but as a "sex offender"?
With the sexual mores of our time? Explicit sex in advertising everywhere? Including images
of either very young women or young-looking women used to sell and promote almost anything?
Models and actresses and pop singers who starve themselves to appear very young and
slight?
I am not sure that inmates would regard a man such as Epstein so much as a "sex offender"
as a lucky man with the ladies, including very young ones. I don't mean to minimize his
offense of interfering in the lives of easily-manipulated young women, generally poor ones
attracted by the offer of big money and high times, but I'm not sure that with the general
public, and especially the shadier types in prison, things are quite so cut-and-dried. I just
don't know, but I think there is room for legitimate doubt.
As far as Ghislaine Maxell is concerned, she is quoted in a story in Vanity Fair magazine,
"When I asked what she thought of the underage girls, she looked at me and said, 'they're
nothing, these girls. They are trash.'" The same story says Ghislaine's method of recruiting
young women for Epstein was to drive around to spas and trailer parks in Florida, offering
them a job with good money. Obviously, she was quite successful. Ghislaine, herself, is said
to have kept rail-thin, so that she appealed to Epstein.
We've also just learned another extremely important fact from Ghislaine Maxwell, one
loaded with suggestion. Epstein's private island was wired for video, literally everywhere,
so that couples could not take off somewhere for a private get-together. If that doesn't
sound like an intelligence service's elaborate "honey trap," I don't know what does.
Hard to see why Epstein and Company would record literally everyone, unless they were
creating compromising material for potential blackmail or political pressure. Who would be
interested in videos of a number homely, older men making love to young women, other than a
blackmailer or a spy agency? But we have no evidence or even suggestion of blackmail. Many of
Epstein's big-shot friends remained his friends for many years, returning for visits again
and again.
But there are suggestions, in the way his case was handled by prosecutors for his
conviction in 2008 and the highly unorthodox sentencing he received, of some kind of powerful
outside influence at work. There's just no question about that. And, of course, his sentence
allowed a complete return to the same arrangements he had had in New York to just continue on
a private island, perhaps only adding a certain new sense of exotic adventure for
visitors.
I think there are many elements in the whole story suggesting Epstein's connection with an
intelligence agency, the most likely one being Mossad. I say that because "honey-traps" seem
to have been a favored technique of that agency. Even with what little we generally hear
about such secret matters, we've had some well-publicized cases involving them. Including,
famously, the entrapment of atomic weapons whistleblower, Mordechai Vanunu, and the work of
Tzipi Livni, a former Israeli Minister who is said to have worked earlier on entrapping men
who were to be assassinated. She was for some period wanted in Europe on war-crime
charges.
Sorry John Chuckman, but a 14, 15, or 16 year old girl is not able to truly comprehend
this sordid world and is still certainly very much, a child in her thought processes. I
remember myself at that age. I had no clue about protecting myself very well because I
trusted most everyone. A friend of my father's tried to molest me while I was having a
sleep-over with his daughter who was my friend. I was able to get away, but my now adult self
looks back at that episode and thinks how lucky I was to be able to flee to safety. I was
horrified and scared to death. When you've just been through puberty a couple years before
the ages I just listed above, you are still very much a child. Your comments were distasteful
in that you make it seem as if you yourself do not feel Epstein was a "sex offender." He most
definitely was. Who was the "trash" here? Epstein and men who think like him, that's who.
AnneR , August 15, 2019 at 08:56
I would disagree that a girl (or boy) of 15-16 is "still certainly very much, a child in
her (his) thought processes." This *is* a purely – and latterly – American
cultural perception. Not even historically in the US would a 15-16 year old have been
perceived as a "child." Young yes, but *not* a child.
As someone who left school a couple of months after reaching 15 (fully legal back in 1963
in the UK; my father born 1913 had left school at age 14, the accepted norm for the working
classes back then) and starting my first full-time job (filing clerk). I was expected to hand
over to my mother every week most of my wages for my board and lodging. This was normal,
expected of us adolescent workers – throughout the working classes in the UK. One
learnt some valuable lessons in money management (always, after all, living but one week's
wage packet from poverty, homelessness).
That same year I started "dating" – no one monitored that. My life; my
decisions.
And as I wrote above: in the UK 16 years of age is the threshold age of sexual consent
(one can marry at that age – with parental consent; or, at least when I was younger,
you could cross the border into Scotland at Gretna Green and marry there without parental
consent and that marriage was legal).
The fact that now, perhaps particularly here in the USA, childhood has been redefined to
be practically indefinite and adulthood an ever-vanishing over the horizon to some
never-never land, does not mean that this perception is any more "right" than any other
culture's view of when a person can determine when they will have sexual encounters.
And there is something very screwy about (as I wrote above) 18 being the age of sexual
consent and presumed *electoral* maturity but to legally drink alcohol a person has to be 21
and over. (And this doesn't begin to raise the issue of the death penalty and age at which it
can meted out – and that leaving aside completely the whole moral and ethical issue of
capital punishment.)
Litchfield , August 15, 2019 at 10:12
I think there is a difference between a "sex offender" who has taken advantage of teenage
girls and an actual pedophile. I don't think Chuckman is excusing BE's actual crimes. He is
being precise in labeling the actual crimes. As with the Russiagate nonsense, it is not that
Trump has not committed any number of crimes. It is just that collusion with the Russians was
not one of them. Bringing false charges has not hurt Trump. It has just confused the
scene.
Labeling BE a pedophile when the evidence does not suggest that he actually had sex with
actual children (as is the case with genuine pedophiles such as many priests, etc.) muddies
the legal waters and provides fodder for misleading headlines that include and connect the
words "pedophile suicide." IMO neither one of those is correct and such headlines serve to
misdirect attention away from BE's actual crimes and very likely below-the-radar spying
activities.
ML , August 15, 2019 at 23:33
This is to AnneR- you've entirely missed the point. When an adult, be it a pedophile
priest or someone like Epstein and Maxwell, take complete advantage of someone young, someone
vulnerable, someone who is not fully adjusted yet to living in a thoroughly adult world, that
is consistent with being a sociopath, someone who has no empathy. Nothing wrong with that
perception, be it "American" or otherwise. If a priest is considered a "sex offender" for
molesting teen boys (and girls), then certainly Epstein is for taking such ruthless advantage
of teen girls. How would you react to someone young and beloved by you who is so treated by
an adult?
AnneR , August 14, 2019 at 09:12
Thank you for this overview, Mr Kiriakou. Rather like David Buckley, however, I would
question the attribution of "mistake" to the individual items on your list. It seems to me
– unschooled in the US legal system though I am (well, any such system actually,
although my handful of interactions with cops hasn't in any way raised my view of them above
subterranean level) – that Epstein as such a prominent and significant person in
custody would have been monitored far more closely than we have been informed he was.
There is the bizarre business surrounding his earlier, Florida, conviction and
"imprisonment," for pedophilia/sexual abuse. How many others with like convictions receive
such lenient sentences and "imprisonment"?
And there is the fact that he knew a lot about a lot of people (men) among the powerful,
ruling elites, including having their unsavory, abusive activities on tape (apparently).
The system isn't designed to protect someone like Epstein – it is designed to
protect the powerful
uncle tungsten , August 14, 2019 at 06:27
I am MUCH more inclined to think he was murdered. Whitney Webb at Mintpressnews DOT com
has a breathtaking series on the Epstein assault on children. It is worth a read. Amazing
Polly on utube is also a great source to identify those that worked with Epstein and those in
the press that cover for his gang of demented beings.
bobzz , August 14, 2019 at 15:03
The website to which UT refers is:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/
. In the expose, Whitney links to the first two in the series and says she has a fourth
coming expose on the Epstien/Clinton connection in the works. And I agree with UT; the series
exposes an unfathomable degree of degradation among the rich and powerful. The links between
high government officials, CIA, FBI, and organized crime is astonishing.
Tim Jones , August 15, 2019 at 20:47
Because "The links between high government officials, CIA, FBI, and organized crime is
astonishing." we will never have an answer, just like John Kennedy, MLK, etc.
In the grand scheme of things, there is a compelling historical argument for the idea
that when the NSA/CIA was created, Dulles found an opportunity to consolidate control of
information and by logic, populations which was in reality, a velvet coup. The other aspect
this control and coup was NACA being taken over by Nazi Intel/strategists/scientists/war
planners through Paper Clip and other relations of the Dulles family were involved with this.
Dulles had not one patriotic bone in his body but only cared about elitism, and power. Yes,
he made patriotic statements but they were as thin as his skin.
Skip Scott , August 15, 2019 at 09:03
To murder Epstein, those he could implicate would need to be assured that he didn't have a
plan to release incriminating evidence on them in the case of his "untimely demise". I
suspect Epstein was smart enough to have a "dead man's switch". If he didn't, he is most
definitely DEAD. I am thinking that by this time he is in Israel with a new face and a new
name. The FBI just raided his island, most likely to be sure the incriminating evidence
remains in their hands to continue to be leveraged against Epstein's fellow powerful
perverts. The names change, but the game remains the same. They may sacrifice a few "lessers"
to satisfy the proles, but the "big ones" will continue to serve the empire, or else.
Tim Jones , August 14, 2019 at 05:54
Very clear article with regards to security protocols and suicide. So it comes down to
incompetence which is clearly shown by John, with the additional reality of Epstein 'being a
marked man' -- showing it's one or both that brought him down. If William Barr and the
prosecution wanted to protect him, because the case rested on him living, more resources
would have been devoted to his security. So, my bet is on the many people's influence, who
could not have him testify, won out. Funny thing how Epstein got a career break teaching at
Barr's institution so many years back
john wilson , August 14, 2019 at 04:55
I hold the certificate in criminology from London University and I can assure you all that
suicide watch is not for the protection of the prisoner. Preventing suicide in prison is for
the protection of the 'authorities' because large numbers of suicides would reflect badly on
the 'system' No one really cares whether a child molester of the stature of Epstein dies by
taking his own life or he is murdered. There is also the notion that a prisoner who commits
suicide cheats the hangman or a life in prison. Clearly, there were two reasons for not
wanting Epstein alive. The first was that he was hated and loathed for his crimes and the
second was that he was in a position to implicate others. The hows and the whys of his demise
will no doubt be debated for ever, but there will be few tears if any for the passing of this
extraordinary man.
Chet Roman , August 14, 2019 at 09:57
Your comments are spot on. I find it hard to believe that Epstein would kill himself
because he would be confident that he could get off once again. Many lawyers are saying that
prosecuting him again would not be easy because of the prior perverted deal with the corrupt
DOJ, which also gave immunity to co-conspirators without even naming them. After he was
released from prison the last time (he only slept in prison and was free most of the rest of
the time) he was welcomed with open arms in Hollywood and Wall Street by his coreligionists,
unlike many pedophiles that are shunned by society. He had strong ties with the wealthy and
powerful (Dershowitz, Wexner, etc.) and there is no reason for him to think he couldn't get
off again.
Chet Roman , August 14, 2019 at 10:07
Also, his prior "suicide attempt" which left marks on his neck, as if by fingers, reminded
me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where Cleavon Little takes himself hostage and threatens
to shoot the "hostage". Was Epstein really trying to choke himself in a suicide attempt? It
was reported that he said someone was trying to kill him.
Litchfield , August 15, 2019 at 14:35
Couldn't they do a DNA test on the marks on his neck to see how they were made -- if by
another human?
The first suicide story already stank.
ElderD , August 14, 2019 at 10:35
John is a careful guy. He's not going to go beyond sharing his personal knowledge and
carefully-worded opinions without solid, credible evidence, which none of us have at this
point. The Internet would be a "better place" if more people exercised such restraint.
I suggest accepting this for what it is: confirmation, from a man who knows, that
something was very wrong in the series of events and circumstances that led to Epstein's
death.
"... His tabloid empire was the piss-colored propaganda organ of the interests he served, overseeing its rapid growth and tentacled reach across the globe. More ominously, he was behind the spy agency's successful attempt to install a trapdoor in software intended for government use, allowing the Israelis a direct pipeline into a vast network of computers installed with undetectable malware. ..."
"... Like his predecessor, Epstein had a financial stake in a startup (headed by former Israeli Defense Minister and later Prime Minister Ehud Barak) connected to Israel's defense industry that provides infrastructure for emergency services as a call handling platform. ..."
"... Epstein, like Maxwell, was laying the groundwork for Israeli espionage activities through his interests in companies with a political agenda concealed in products intended for international export. ..."
"... If you have ever asked yourself why Israel's war crimes and settlement expansion go unchallenged by US lawmakers, consider the career destroying consequences contained within those dossiers compiled by the braintrust behind Epstein's 'suicide'. "We'll trade you one US Embassy in Jerusalem for 10 minutes of hidden camera footage of you . . . let's say 'enjoying' a rolled up Forbes magazine". ..."
"... Epstein could have also attempted to collateralize the cache of damning evidence still in his possession to secure his freedom with the same fatal consequences. ..."
"... By now, it's a given that the parasitic and preferred daughter of the deceased tycoon, made the fateful introduction between her new boyfriend and the Israeli operatives seeking an entry level plutocrat to carry out their blackmail operations after the untimely death of his predecessor. An impoverished socialite has to survive in pricey Manhattan somehow, and that somehow was re-establishing the shady connections to the espionage underworld that had recruited Maxwell Sr. ..."
"... Ghislaine's later role as Epstein's Chief Procurement Officer (or pimp for short) gives more credence to the rumors that she is more than just a debased, barnacle-like appendage to a billionaire, desperate to please her platonic partner by "organizing his social life", but a fully cognizant co-conspirator in an operation aimed at strengthening Israel's hand in all matters pertaining to its national security interests, or more accurately, its overseas criminal enterprises. ..."
"... The recent raid on Epstein's Manhattan apartment was not the result of a so-called Justice Department righting the egregious wrong it committed by letting Epstein off with a slap on the wrist after his initial conviction that allowed him to serve his sentence largely outside the minimum-security facility with an open door policy for its billionaire guest. More likely, the reversal of Epstein's "sweetheart" deal was a joint operation between the oligarch cabal informally known as the Mega-Group, and the state security apparatuses that do their bidding. ..."
"... The 'Israel First' philanthropist shared an unyielding ideological justification for his own criminality as Robert Maxwell, whom the British Home Office had considered recruiting for its own intelligence gathering in the mid 1960's. Having determined that the well-connected, multilingual, rising star politician was strictly "Zionist", the spy agency withdrew his candidacy. ..."
"... Rule number one of PR crisis management: Crucify the insignificant and let them hang out to dry until the public tires of watching the slow motion spectacle of their undoing ..."
"... Meanwhile, documented and/or photographic evidence against more powerful players like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump will have already been destroyed in the pursuit of selective justice. ..."
"... Subsequent reporting of the case will overlook decades of the elite-driven state craft that elevated corrupt and ruthless entities like Epstein and Trump, both ring-kissing acolytes in their youth of influential mob fixer/politcal power broker Roy Cohn – himself a serial sexual predator who similarly caught the fancy of fellow deviants Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover. Follow the money trail from Tel Aviv and you'll discover an ancestral link between the corpse of Epstein and his ghostly godfathers waiting with his rewards in hell. ..."
Media
tycoon and former Labour MP Robert Maxwell (father of Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's
partner in crime) was given a state funeral in Jerusalem after *accidentally* falling off his
yacht – the unluckily named "Lady Ghislaine". Later it was revealed Maxwell Sr was a
Mossad asset who used his vast network of connections and publishing platforms to run editorial
interference over his purchased assets to influence enemies and friends alike, ensuring their
fealty to the foreign government that had enlisted him for its espionage work.
His tabloid empire was the piss-colored propaganda organ of the interests he served,
overseeing its rapid growth and tentacled reach across the globe. More ominously, he was behind
the spy agency's successful attempt to install a trapdoor in software intended for government
use, allowing the Israelis a direct pipeline into a vast network of computers installed with
undetectable malware.
At the time of his death, the disgraced magnate was under investigation for raiding his
companies' pension funds to cover the losses incurred from his multiple and reckless takeovers,
and finance a luxury lifestyle he enjoyed sharing with high profile pals like Henry Kissinger
and Barbara Walters. Curiously, many of these fossilized specimens from Robert Maxwell's roster
of friends from the Reagan era would circle around Epstein, most notably Donald Trump whose
Mar-a-Lago resort would later become a recruiting center for employer Epstein's underage
"massage therapists".
Fast forward a couple of decades since the days a casino mogul was gobbling down
canapés with the old guard denizens of the 'swamp'. Notice a similar, if not identical
MO in both Maxwell and Epstein's role in procuring technology for the Israelis, who in turn
sold it with undisclosed add-ons, providing an open window into its users' databases.
Like his predecessor, Epstein had a financial stake in a startup (headed by former Israeli
Defense Minister and later Prime Minister Ehud Barak) connected to Israel's defense industry
that provides infrastructure for emergency services as a call handling platform. Considering
the company's connection to military intelligence, it wouldn't be a stretch to speculate on
some of this software's other 'special' features. A variation of the early technology that
Maxwell was able to procure for his Israeli bosses was later sold to the Saudis, who leveraged
its sophisticated tracking features to assassinate Jamal Khashoggi.
Epstein, like Maxwell, was laying the groundwork for Israeli espionage activities
through his interests in companies with a political agenda concealed in products intended for
international export. If true, the playboy philanthropist feted and flattered his high
profile friends to ensnare them as complicit partners in what amounts to the legal definition
of treason. Epstein's covert activities have undiminished real world consequences for anyone on
Israel's international radar, especially those challenging the status quo policies in place
that prioritize "The Jewish State's" political and financial objectives over actual justice and
global stability.
If you have ever asked yourself why Israel's war crimes and settlement expansion go
unchallenged by US lawmakers, consider the career destroying consequences contained within
those dossiers compiled by the braintrust behind Epstein's 'suicide'. "We'll trade you one US
Embassy in Jerusalem for 10 minutes of hidden camera footage of you . . . let's say 'enjoying'
a rolled up Forbes magazine".
Were the surveillance apparatuses installed throughout Epstein's properties merely a
voyeur's tools, or did he use them to leverage the moral failings of his former friends for
purposes that might have risked exposure of more than the nether regions of wealthy
pedo-punters? Considering his connections to Israeli defense industries and his own Achilles
penis that required, by his own admission, "three orgasms a day", the answer points to an
unslakable addiction that dovetailed conveniently with his state-sponsored sex crimes.
Did Epstein make the same mistake of Maxwell (who had asked for nearly half a billion dollar
in "loans" from his Israeli backers to relieve him of his mounting debts) believing the dirt he
had in his possession would prove radioactive if released? By this time, the corpulent tycoon
was nicknamed the 'Bouncing Czech' a reference in most part to his worsening money woes. The
implication of this request, if turned down, was the exposure of Israel's state secrets.
Epstein could have also attempted to collateralize the cache of damning evidence still in
his possession to secure his freedom with the same fatal consequences.
Both Maxwell and Epstein somehow evaded the electronics that linked them to the outside
world at the time of their deaths, even though the latter had reportedly made an attempt on his
own life while in custody. Both men, facing ruination and serious prison time gave their
executioners an alibi: They had nothing to left to live for. The establishment media is already
trotting out ancient, ding-a-ling conspiracy theories from obscure right wing sources
(attributed to Russia, of course) to highlight the absurdity and futility of questioning the
official story of Epstein's death. Verdict: Nothing to see here.
By now, it's a given that the parasitic and preferred daughter of the deceased tycoon,
made the fateful introduction between her new boyfriend and the Israeli operatives seeking an
entry level plutocrat to carry out their blackmail operations after the untimely death of his
predecessor. An impoverished socialite has to survive in pricey Manhattan somehow, and that
somehow was re-establishing the shady connections to the espionage underworld that had
recruited Maxwell Sr.
Ghislaine's later role as Epstein's Chief Procurement Officer (or pimp for short) gives
more credence to the rumors that she is more than just a debased, barnacle-like appendage to a
billionaire, desperate to please her platonic partner by "organizing his social life", but a
fully cognizant co-conspirator in an operation aimed at strengthening Israel's hand in all
matters pertaining to its national security interests, or more accurately, its overseas
criminal enterprises.
The recent raid on Epstein's Manhattan apartment was not the result of a so-called
Justice Department righting the egregious wrong it committed by letting Epstein off with a slap
on the wrist after his initial conviction that allowed him to serve his sentence largely
outside the minimum-security facility with an open door policy for its billionaire guest. More
likely, the reversal of Epstein's "sweetheart" deal was a joint operation between the oligarch
cabal informally known as the Mega-Group, and the state security apparatuses that do their
bidding.
It's seems likely that this sudden pivot towards justice from a Justice Department initially
spooked into inaction by the spook in his custody, was motivated by the need to remove the most
damning bits among Epstein's vast trove of physical evidence against the pervy punters who
visited his island getaway for unintended photo ops with underage girls.
Perhaps his own abuse of these minors was a perk he felt entitled to, and one that would be
overlooked in the service of "national security". It's hard for most people to differentiate
between the government he actually worked for and the ruling establishment on his home
turf.
It's possible that Epstein felt his serial transgressions were merely par for the plutocracy
and justified in the service of a higher calling.
The 'Israel First' philanthropist shared an unyielding ideological justification for his
own criminality as Robert Maxwell, whom the British Home Office had considered recruiting for
its own intelligence gathering in the mid 1960's. Having determined that the well-connected,
multilingual, rising star politician was strictly "Zionist", the spy agency withdrew his
candidacy.
Epstein's real crimes had little to do with raping children, despite the overturned plea
deal that came about when a federal judge ruled that prosecutors had violated the victims
rights by by concealing the agreement from them. The one time teflon-coated "member of
intelligence" who was "above the pay grade" of a powerful District Attorney (now a now
scandal-tainted former Labor Secretary) was ultimately (and lethally) penalized for not
destroying the contents of his secret-laden safes, leaving his handlers still vulnerable to
their explosive contents.
Had the doomed financier divested himself of the toxic assets still in his possession, he
might still be roaming the earth today, scouring it for new specimens to populate his underage
petting zoo. As a result of the Justice Department's decision to reverse the non-prosecution
deal meant to bury the most incendiary facts of the case, lower-rung punters like former
governor Bill Richardson and Senator George Mitchell are being publicly named for their part in
the sordid scandal. Someone has to take the fall. ( Rule number one of PR crisis
management: Crucify the insignificant and let them hang out to dry until the public tires of
watching the slow motion spectacle of their undoing .) Meanwhile, documented and/or
photographic evidence against more powerful players like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump will
have already been destroyed in the pursuit of selective justice.
The fallout of Epstein's spectacular downfall predictably miss the mark as scandals
involving the rich and powerful tend to do. Much of the controversy will dissolve into a
Cheetoh dust maelstrom of disinformation, disseminated on Reddit and 4Chan by incel
info-warriors before shooting up a shopping mall or playground.
Subsequent reporting of the case will overlook decades of the elite-driven state craft
that elevated corrupt and ruthless entities like Epstein and Trump, both ring-kissing acolytes
in their youth of influential mob fixer/politcal power broker Roy Cohn – himself a serial
sexual predator who similarly caught the fancy of fellow deviants Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar
Hoover. Follow the money trail from Tel Aviv and you'll discover an ancestral link between the
corpse of Epstein and his ghostly godfathers waiting with his rewards in hell.
Along with the other disgraced and expendable patsies left in the wake of this ongoing
scandal is Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's octogenarian chief legal counsel and 'wing man' aboard
the Lolita Express. The now unemployable cable news pundit will live out the remainder of his
pointless life under a cloud of suspicion. Despite all the damning testimony against him, the
statutory rape allegations never quite stick, but follow him around like a sneaky fart, forcing
a distance between himself and the rest of humanity that will last until he is engulfed by the
sulfurous fumes of his own making.
The former Harvard law professor's lifelong service to Israel will go unrewarded – not
as a result of victim testimony placing him at multiple crime scenes, but in consideration of
his own inept self-defense strategy: "I'm a scurvy rat aboard a sinking ship eating its own
tail to stay alive. Pity me"! Dershowitz at this point will be lucky if he can achieve the same
pay grade and social status of Lindsay Lohan. Ditto for Prince Andrew who can at least be
relied on to expire slowly of gout in his time-out corner at Windsor Castle.
The moral of this story could be "Lie down with dogs and never wake up again with a
prison-issued sheet around your neck". A variation of the old "Lie down with dogs and and wake
up as fish food".
"... While Epstein's extensive construction on the island is no secret, the timing of the cement mixer shipment - and the fact that it was express shipped, raises suspicion. ..."
"... "The shipment arrived Epstein's island on November 7th of 2018, 21 days before Julie Brown's expose was published in the Miami Herald and 23 days before Epstein allegedly began to try to pay off witnesses. Considering both the scope of Brown's article and the urgency of the shipment, the possibility that the cement mixer was used to literally cover up evidence cannot be discounted. " ..."
"... Perhaps due to the heat on from the Miami Herald reports, which Manhattan police said was instrumental in their investigation, Epstein sold his infamous 'lolita express' Boeing 727-200 just weeks before his arrest according to court filings. ..."
"... Epstein, who was arrested on July 6 after returning from Paris on his Gulfstream G550 per Bloomberg , sold "the other jet" in June, 2019 - prior to his arrest . ..."
"... On other words, it looks like the financier unloaded the potentially 'evidence-rich' aircraft - said to have had a bed installed where passengers reportedly had group sex with young girls - right before the hammer came down. ..."
"... On Monday, the FBI and NYPD raided Little St. James island last week, packing up evidence - however as Rusty Shackelford's videos reveal, some of it had already been moved prior to the raid. ( before , after - note the computer on the right is gone). Perhaps they should have raided the island the same day he was arrested? ..."
Approximately three weeks before a series of damning articles hit in the
Miami Herald
,
Jeffrey Epstein paid up front to have a
$100,000
cement mixe
r express-shipped to his infamous Little St. James 'pedo island' at great expense,
according to the
Daily
Mail
.
The pedophile, who was found dead by apparent suicide on Saturday while awaiting trial for
sex trafficking, got the Carmix 5.5 XL self loading concrete mixer delivered to Little St. James
on November 7 last year
.
Epstein was in such a hurry that he paid for the machine up front so it would arrive sooner -
even though it meant being responsible if it got damaged in transit.
Three weeks later the Miami Herald published a series of articles called 'Perversion of
Justice' on November 28, which eventually led to Epstein being arrested in July.
Shipping experts told DailyMailTV that
the possibility that it was 'used to literally
cover up evidence cannot be discounted'. -
Daily
Mail
The mixer can be seen in a drone video taken by YouTube user Rusty Shackleford. It appears
buried in a storage warehouse behind some other equipment, however its barrel drum and other
distinctive features can be made out.
While Epstein's extensive construction on the island is no secret, the timing of the cement
mixer shipment - and the fact that it was express shipped, raises suspicion.
"While the purchase of the cement mixer on its own is not suspicious, particularly given the
reported and approved repair of cisterns on Little St. James, both the timing of the shipment and
the fact that it's the only item in our records shipped with an express bill of lading do raise
concerns," said shipping data analyst William George.
"The shipment arrived Epstein's island on November 7th of 2018, 21 days before Julie Brown's
expose was published in the Miami Herald and 23 days before Epstein allegedly began to try to pay
off witnesses.
Considering both the scope of Brown's article and the urgency of the
shipment, the possibility that the cement mixer was used to literally cover up evidence cannot be
discounted.
"
Many have speculated that Epstein had underground tunnels or facilities on his island, while the
drone footage reveals what appear to be several hill-side doors.
The
Mail
also notes that Epstein had a complete dentist's chair shipped to the island,
while many have observed from Shackleford's videos that Epstein
had
an ambulance
as well - which seems odd for such a small island with no known medical
facilities.
Perhaps due to the heat on from the Miami Herald reports,
which Manhattan police said
was instrumental in their investigation, Epstein
sold his infamous 'lolita
express' Boeing 727-200
just weeks before his arrest according to court filings.
Epstein, who was arrested on July 6 after returning from Paris on his Gulfstream G550 per
Bloomberg
,
sold "the other jet" in June, 2019 -
prior to his arrest
.
On other words, it looks like the financier unloaded the potentially
'evidence-rich'
aircraft
-
said to have had a bed installed where passengers reportedly had
group
sex with young girls
-
right before the hammer came down.
According to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff - who first revealed the former
president's extensive flights on Epstein's "lolita express" in a 2010
Daily
Beast
exposé -
former president Bill Clinton flew on the 'lolita express' no fewer than
27 times.
Clinton claimed in a
July
statement
that he only took "a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane" in 2002 and
2003, and that Secret Service accompanied him at all times - which Sarnoff told
Fox News
was a
total
lie
.
On Monday, the FBI and NYPD raided Little St. James island last week, packing up evidence -
however as Rusty Shackelford's videos reveal, some of it had already been moved prior to the raid.
(
before
,
after
- note the computer on the right is gone).
Perhaps they should have raided the island the same day he was arrested?
Report: 3,000 Women
a Year Trapped in Sex Slave Industry (in Israhell)
A special Knesset committee has found that "3,000 women
are sold each year in Israel's sex industry, in transactions
with an annual volume of $1 billion." Exploitation of sex
workers includes imprisonment, and other forms of rank
coercion.
The special Knesset committee's interim report is to be
released today. It describes the sex industry as a "modern
form of slavery."
If U live on an island and U have access to a boat and some rocks
it is 1000x easier to make 'something' disappear than engaging in
a major concrete pour.
Epsteins deadmans switch have not been triggered yet. I bet you he
is still alive. All the evidence they give you are trying to make
you think he was assassinated on purpose. I hope he is being
tortured to give up all his hidden information.
JE is almost certainly alive. Decoy ambulances, no raids until
weeks afterward and not at all locations allowing cleanup after
he was extricated from 'prison' and debriefed.
Israel
involved (as are other countries) leadership and business top
guns.
Even Ghislaine (Gill-lane, silent s) has not been
interviewed as well as Wexner, Kushner(s)
et.al
..(can't forget Adnan Kasoggi
and the Jewish mob).
JE isn't stupid and has insurance policies. He's alive and
cut a deal not to use said insurance policies if allowed a
very quiet retirement.
This is as big if not bigger than 911 with close ties if not
involvement. Even Larry Silverstein is connected.
We can demand investigations until we become cyanotic but
will be given a ******** happy meal (**** sandwich) ending
served on a silver (MSM) platter.
Jared Diamond once wrote a book about this. Have you had
enough? Has public perception become a turning point?
I would safely assume Jared Diamond is Jewish. The point he
made in his book is things change after a certain percentage of
the public agree on a concept or idea.
Case in point:
Prior to Steven Spielberg making a movie about an idea
called The Holocaust. Anti Semitism was a worn out excuse used
for decades with no effect except for those in the Jewish
community.
After the film aired, public perception changed (perception
management) to favor the idea set forth in the film and now
anti-semitism is a weaponized term used for political purposes.
Anyone with any grey matter and synaptic activity should be
very concerned now. It's time.
The picture painted by the evidence
is not a direct Epstein tie to a single intelligence agency but a
web linking key members of the Mega Group, politicians (Trump
included), and officials in both the U.S. and Israel, and an
organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties
in both nations.
This article contains content that some may find distressing.
Jeffrey Epstein "was" apparently a serial molester of children. He had manipulation down to an art form, as many molesters do.
He seemed to be an expert at figuring out a girl's weak point, whether it was poverty, a deceased family member, or feeling alienated
from her peers.
This is a common ploy. Many molesters seek out children or teens who have lost a parent and use this as a way to build a friendship.
Then, because children don't think like adults, they are manipulated, coerced, or threatened into sexual activity.
The story below could be told a hundred thousand times with only tiny changes. The names and the faces would be different. The
settings might not be a mansion in Manhattan or in Palm Beach but rather a quiet part of a church, a school, or some kind of activity
for teens. The setting could be in the house next door to you, where someone with evil intent befriends a vulnerable young person
with the stated goal of helping them, but an end result that couldn't be further from reality.
How 14-year-old Jennifer Araoz met Jeffrey Epstein
Jennifer Araoz was 14 years old when she first met her future rapist, Jeffrey Epstein. She wrote about how she was manipulated,
first by his recruiter, then by Epstein himself. There are many powerful lessons that we as parents can learn from her story.
During my freshman year, one of Epstein's recruiters, a stranger, approached me on the sidewalk outside my high school. Epstein
never operated alone. He had a ring of enablers and surrounded himself with influential people. I was attending a performing arts
school on the Upper East Side, studying musical theater. I wanted to be an actress and a singer. (
source )
Another
report based on court documents says that the recruiter befriended Jennifer, took her out to eat after school a few times, and
learned more about her, such as the fact that Jennifer's father had died from an AIDs-related illness and her family could barely
scrape by financially.
The recruiter told me about a wealthy man she knew named Jeffrey Epstein. Meeting him would be beneficial, and he could introduce
me to the right people for my career, she said. When I confided that I had recently lost my father and that my family was living
on food stamps, she told me he was very caring and wanted to help us financially. (
source )
The recruiter finally got Jennifer to go with her to meet Epstein. Court documents say that they all three met together for the
first month or so.
The visits during the first month felt benign, at least at the time. On my second visit, Epstein also gave me a digital camera
as a gift. The visits were about one to two hours long and we would spend the time talking. After each visit, he or his secretary
would hand me $300 in cash, supposedly to help my family. (
source )
Epstein claimed he was 'a big AIDS activist' which you can imagine would mean a lot to a 14-year-old whose father died of the
disease.
Soon the visits would take a dark turn.
By the second month of Jennifer's visits to the mansion, the recruiter no longer attended the visits., the manipulation began
in earnest.
But within about a month, he started asking me for massages and instructed me to take my top off. He said he would need to
see my body if he was going to help me break into modeling. I felt uncomfortable and intimidated, but I did as he said. The assault
escalated when, during these massages, he would flip over and sexually gratify himself and touch me inappropriately. For a little
over a year, I went to Epstein's home once or twice a week.
After that day, I never went back. I also quit the performing arts school -- the one I had auditioned for and had wanted so
badly to attend. It was too close to his house, the scene of so many crimes. I was too scared I would see him or his recruiter.
So I transferred to another school in Queens close to my home. Since I was no longer able to pursue my dream of performing arts
I eventually lost interest and dropped out. (
source )
Sure, we can say that she knew things weren't right when he asked her to take her top off. By this point, she was 15 years old.
Old enough to know right from wrong. But if she was getting $300 twice a week and helping her family with it, it's pretty easy to
see how she would want to continue helping her family despite her discomfort. Epstein knew exactly what he was doing.
Epstein's wealth, power, and connections would have made going against him seem like an insurmountable feat for a vulnerable 15-year-old
girl who had recently lost her father. Who would have believed her word against that of this presumed philanthropist?
A few days ago, Jennifer, now 32, filed a massive lawsuit against Epstein's estate, Ghislaine Maxwell, and 3 members of Epstein's
household staff. The complaint alleges that Maxwell and the staff "conspired with each other to make possible and otherwise facilitate
the sexual abuse and rape of Plaintiff."
Some of Epstein's victims recruited new girls for him.
Epstein's indictment explains how he manipulated some of the girls he sexually abused to bring other girls to him.
Prosecutors say he lured underage girls, some as young as 14, to his residences, promising them a cash payment in exchange
for giving him a massage. Instead, he would sexually abuse them -- groping them, making them touch him while he masturbated, and
using sex toys on the minors. Then, he would allegedly ask them to recruit other girls. (
source )
A detailed report in the Miami Herald referred to it as a "sexual pyramid scheme." One of Epstein's accusers, Courtney Wild, reiterates
the theme of the story told by Jennifer Boaz.
"Jeffrey preyed on girls who were in a bad way, girls who were basically homeless. He went after girls who he thought no one
would listen to and he was right,'' said Courtney Wild, who was 14 when she met Epstein. (
source )
Courtney's time spent with Epstein nearly destroyed her.
Before she met Epstein, Courtney Wild was captain of the cheerleading squad, first trumpet in the band and an A-student at
Lake Worth Middle School.
After she met Epstein, she was a stripper, a drug addict and an inmate at Gadsden Correctional Institution in Florida's Panhandle.
Wild still had braces on her teeth when she was introduced to him in 2002 at the age of 14.
She was fair, petite and slender, blonde and blue-eyed. (
source )
She began to recruit other girls for him in Palm Beach.
Wild said Epstein preferred girls who were white, appeared prepubescent and those who were easy to manipulate into going further
each time
"By the time I was 16, I had probably brought him 70 to 80 girls who were all 14 and 15 years old. He was involved in my life
for years," said Wild, who was released from prison in October after serving three years on drug charges.
The girls -- mostly 13 to 16 -- were lured to his pink waterfront mansion by Wild and other girls, who went to malls, house
parties and other places where girls congregated, and told recruits that they could earn $200 to $300 to give a man -- Epstein
-- a massage, according to an unredacted copy of the Palm Beach police investigation obtained by the Herald. (
source )
Epstein had it down to an art form.
Palm Beach police detective Joseph Recarey explains how Epstein insinuated himself into the girls' lives.
"The common interview with a girl went like this: 'I was brought there by so and so. I didn't feel comfortable with what happened,
but I got paid well, so I was told if I didn't feel comfortable, I could bring someone else and still get paid,' '' Recarey said.
During the massage sessions, Recarey said Epstein would molest the girls, paying them premiums for engaging in oral sex and
intercourse, and offering them a further bounty to find him more girls
Epstein could be a generous benefactor, Recarey said, buying his favored girls gifts. He might rent a car for a young girl
to make it more convenient for her to stop by and cater to him. Once, he sent a bucket of roses to the local high school after
one of his girls starred in a stage production. The floral-delivery instructions and a report card for one of the girls were discovered
in a search of his mansion and trash. Police also obtained receipts for the rental cars and gifts, Recarey said.
Epstein counseled the girls about their schooling, and told them he would help them get into college, modeling school, fashion
design or acting. At least two of Epstein's victims told police that they were in love with him, according to the police report.
( source )
You may look at these stories and scorn the victims. After all, they kept going back, didn't they? They liked the money, didn't
they?
But they were children. Many of them were isolated, vulnerable, and without support systems. Many of them felt ashamed but didn't
know how to extricate themselves. They were confused and scared, and Epstein was a pro at taking advantage of these emotions and
doubts.
The girls are not to blame here. The adults are.
Epstein is not the only predator out there.
While this article focuses on how Epstein was able to lure so many victims,
as Dagny Taggert recently wrote , there are
many more people in power out there preying on children. Clergy, priests, teachers, neighbors, musicians, and random people on the
internet are out there preying on and trafficking children.
Dagny wrote:
According to
The National
Center for Victims of Crime , the prevalence of child sexual abuse (CSA) is difficult to determine because it is often not
reported. Experts agree that the incidence is far greater than what is reported to authorities.
Statistics below represent some of the research done on child sexual abuse.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Children's Bureau report Child Maltreatment 2010 found that
9.2% of victimized children were sexually
assaulted (page 24).
1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual
abuse incident;
During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
Children are most vulnerable to CSA between the ages of 7 and 13.
According to Darkness to Light , a non-profit committed to empowering adults
to prevent child sexual abuse, only about one-third of child sexual abuse incidents are identified, and even
fewer are reported .
When my children's father passed away, it wasn't too long afterward that I left my corporate job. I volunteered when the company
began layoffs and took a small payment and my retirement fund to start a new life writing freelance. It wasn't long after that when
I started this website.
I wanted to be home when they got back from school every day. I didn't want them to seem like prey to those looking for children
with weak support systems. My own daughters could so easily have had a story like the one Jennifer has told.
I know that what I did is not possible for every family that suffers a loss. I was pretty fortunate to be able to find work from
home that paid enough to allow me to be there.
What you, as a parent, must understand are the things that make your child seem vulnerable.
Loneliness
Social isolation and few, if any, friends
Lack of a support system from parents and caregivers
Spending too much time on their own
Alienation from parents
Some signs that your child could be getting abused or groomed.
Sudden secretiveness regarding their phone or computer (a lot of grooming happens online
Spending a great deal of time alone with another adult
Signs of increased anger or fear
Lack of participation in things that used to bring them happiness
Withdrawal from family and friends
Obviously, these lists are not comprehensive, nor are they sure signs of abuse. What teenager doesn't seem angry and withdrawn
from time to time? But it's vital, no matter how hard they push you away, to stay involved, particularly after a traumatic event.
Teach your kids that some secrets should not be kept.
Predators manipulate children in all sorts of ways. One of the biggest ways is warning them to keep their "relationship" a secret
or else.
Or else what?
They'll hurt Mom or Dad
They'll hurt the child's pet
They'll hurt the child's siblings
They'll cause extreme financial problems for the family
Predators often put a burden on a child where they feel as though they must stay silent to protect the people they love.
Kids need to know that if anyone threatens them if they tell a secret, then they absolutely must tell that secret. Mom and Dad
will be safe and will protect them. People who ask children to keep their presence in their lives a secret are never to be trusted.
And finally, make sure your children know that whatever they tell you, you will believe them and you know it's not their fault.
But why Wexner and Maxwell were involved ? Wexner gave the power of attorney to Epstein, so
he essentially controlled Wexner fortune... Why such a level of trust ? Was later claims of abuse
on the part of Epstein of his privileges and stolen money 40 million of which was supposed return
to Wexner charity a part of cover-up
Philip Giralid's theory that Jeffrey Epstein was running his prostitution ring as a honeypot
operation that had his child prostitutes sexually seduce politicians so he could film the
politicians having sex with children so he could blackmail them into supporting Israel and
giving espionage information to the Mossad is ridiculous, to put it politely.
There is not only no evidence for this theory, there is also no reasonable or practical
motive for the alleged behavior, and the alleged behavior would not make sense because it is
very unlikely that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles.
There is no reasonable or practical motive for the behavior because the Jewish political
establishment already owns our political leaders as its puppets, so it does not need to
blackmail them. T
he way it has establishment this amount of control is through forming a social network
where Jews recruit Non-Jews to do their bidding, Jews created Freemasonry as their political
agency to help them do this. Freemasonry is a political agency of Jewry, it allows Non-Jews
to join it in order to help increase Jewish political power in Non-Jewish societies, Non-Jews
who join it have to swear a loyalty oath to the organization and then form an in group
preference for other members of the Jewish led organization. Jews also use their control of
finance and banking to have this kind of political power. They do not need child prostitution
ring to sexually seduce politicians so they can blackmail them to achieve political power,
because they already control the political establishment.
Additionally, even if the Jewish political elites wanted or needed to blackmail our
political leaders, this would be a very stupid way to do it. Filming sex between an adult and
a child is a very serious crime, it actually in some cases is more serious than an adult
having sex with a child, the person threatening blackmail against the person with the film
would unless he had a very stupid victim have someone who would realize the person himself
would go to prison if he showed anyone the film, so it would not be a good way to blackmail
someone. There are much better ways to blackmail political leaders, such as finding out if
they committed financial or political crimes or if they murdered someone, that would not
involve such risks.
It is not plausible that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles because
pedophiles usually have very limited intellectual ability, and are perhaps even borderline
mentally retarded, and pedophiles usually are mentally ill.
Dr. James Cantor, an expert on sexual perversion generally and pedophilia particularly,
stated in a YouTube video titled "The Pedophile's Brain" published on the YouTube channel
"TEDI BEAR Children's Advocacy Center" on July 19, 2015, that pedophiles on average, score
10-15 points below average on Intelligence Quotient tests.
That means that only between 16-25 percent of pedophiles are equally intelligent or more
intelligent than the average person in western countries like Britain and America. Cantor
also stated that pedophiles tend to have less white matter in their brains than the general
population does, white matter is responsible for a lot of the social understanding of the
brain and also for connecting brain regions to enable reasoning that requires connected
understanding of different topics together. He also said that 30% of pedophiles are left
handed while only 12% of the general population is left handed, this is what Darwin called a
"correlation of growth" when two phenotypic traits appear very frequently together in
biological organisms, another example cited by Darwin was that blue eyed cats are usually
deaf.
Cantor said that the only other population groups with this high rates of left handed are
autistics, schizophrenics and bipolars. Cantor concluded that what causes pedophilia is that
pedophiles have a mental problem that causes their brain to be cross wired, so that the
sexual responses are inappropriately connected with children whereas most people have a moral
inhibition against sexual attraction to children. There are two peer reviewed articles by
scientists I have read that discuss evidence autism is correlated in a causal way with
pedophilia.
They are "Paraphilic Disorder in a Male Patient with Autism Spectrum Disorder: Incidence
or Coincidence," by B. Kolta and G. Rossi, edited by A. Muocivic and J.R. Adler Cureus May
2018 and "Sexuality in autism: hypersexual and paraphilic behavior in women and men with
high-functioning autism spectrum disorder," by Daniel Schottle, Peer Briken, Oliver Tuscher
and Daniel Turner published in "Dialogues in Clinical Neuroscience," in December 2017 In the
second article, the authors stated: ""Altogether, paraphilic sexual fantasies and behaviors
were reported more frequently in male patients with ASD than in male HCs [Health Controls;
that is people who are mentally healthy and do not have autism or another mental illness].
After correcting for multiple testing, significant differences were still present in the
number of individuals reporting masochistic fantasies, sadistic fantasies, voyeuristic
fantasies and behaviors, frotteuristic fantasies and behaviors, and pedophilic fantasies with
female children"
The authors of the first article wrote: "Fernandes et al. were able to demonstrate that
30% of the low-functioning ASD patients showed some kind of inappropriate sexual behaviors,
most frequently public masturbation, indecent exposure, and inappropriate heterosexual
behaviors .
When looking at higher functioning patients with autism spectrum disorder they reported
10% demonstrated inappropriate sexual behaviors . The study also revealed that 24% of
high-functioning individuals with ASD engaged in paraphilic sexual fantasies or behaviors
including classic presentations of paraphilic disorder such as pedophilia, voyeurism, and
sadomasochism " So pedophilia is linked to both low intellectual ability, and to mental
illness.
A person needs to be highly intelligent to be a political leader, George W Bush was on the
dumb side for a political leader and his Intelligence Quotient was 124, that is the 94th
percentile, that means George W Bush is more intelligent than 94 percent of other people.
During the Nuremberg Trials all of the Nazis leaders who did anything of real importance
scored at least 120 on the Intelligence Quotient test, which means they were smarter than 90%
of other people, and the Nazis were also known for being on the dumb side for political
leaders. The idea that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles is ridiculous
because of this, so this makes Giraldi's claim obviously ridiculous.
The monotheism of the Jew, therefore, is in reality the polytheism of the many needs, a
polytheism which makes even the lavatory an object of divine law. Practical need,
egoism , is the principle of civil society , and as such appears in pure form as
soon as civil society has fully given birth to the political state. The god of practical
need and self-interest is money .
Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades
all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal
self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world –
both the world of men and nature – of its specific value. Money is the estranged essence
of man's work and man's existence, and this alien essence dominates him, and he worships
it.
The god of the Jews has become secularized and has become the god of the world. The bill of
exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange.
The view of nature attained under the domination of private property and money is a real
contempt for, and practical debasement of, nature; in the Jewish religion, nature exists, it is
true, but it exists only in imagination.
It is in this sense that [in a 1524 pamphlet] Thomas Münzer declares it intolerable
"that all creatures have been turned into property, the fishes in the water, the birds in
the air, the plants on the earth; the creatures, too, must become free."
Contempt for theory, art, history, and for man as an end in himself, which is contained
in an abstract form in the Jewish religion, is the real, conscious standpoint, the virtue of
the man of money. The species-relation itself, the relation between man and woman, etc.,
becomes an object of trade! The woman is bought and sold.
The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man
of money in general.
The groundless law of the Jew is only a religious caricature of groundless morality and
right in general, of the purely formal rites with which the world of self-interest
surrounds itself.
@Ron Unz The suicide
of Epstein when life as he had played it was over is less surprising than that Madoff hasn't
committed suicide. And incompetence or cynical negligence in the prison service is less
surprising than your admission of familiarity with the popular culture of film and TV!
On a more constructive note let me proffer the following as a source containing some
possibly relevant information about Epstein and his mysterious wealth.
"The relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Jewish philanthropist Leslie Wexner,
explained – Jewish Telegraphic Agency
The intelligence connection seems plausible and Mossad as the key agency but possibly
having side deals with the CIA and FBI the most plausible. But, if so, Wexner's connection to
Israeli causes is well worth examining.
( JTA ) -- One of the most befuddling
questions surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein saga is why Leslie Wexner, a billionaire
entrepreneur, entrusted all of his money to Epstein, a secretive financier with no college
degree.
For those immersed in the Jewish world, there's an added question: How did Wexner -- a
prominent philanthropist seen as a champion of Jewish learning and ethical teaching, whose
foundation has trained waves of rabbis, Jewish professionals and volunteer board leaders -- end
up so enmeshed and enamored with a future convicted sex offender and alleged sex
trafficker?
Is Wexner connected to the sex abuse accusations against Epstein? Has the philanthropist
been accused of any wrongdoing? Does any of this taint Wexner's legacy or the beneficiaries of
his many programs?
Since the Epstein sex scandal resurfaced this year, these questions have dogged Wexner, the
owner of Victoria's Secret who at one point was Epstein's only known financial client. Wexner
was very close with Epstein and trusted him as a money manager and legal representative.
Epstein, who served a year in prison and registered as a sex offender more than a decade
ago, was arrested recently and charged with sex trafficking. He was found hanged in his jail
cell on Saturday in what officials are calling
a suicide .
As the scandal has unfolded, Wexner and his associates have put out a series of statements
on Epstein and their relationship. His connection with Epstein has also led to stormy
discussions among the recipients of his largesse about the ethical dilemmas they face.
Here's a primer on how the two became so close, and why their relationship poses a dilemma
for many in the Jewish community.
Who is Leslie Wexner?
He's an 81-year-old Jewish billionaire who lives in the Columbus, Ohio, area. Wexner made
his fortune by founding The Limited, a women's clothing brand, in 1963.
Wexner has since expanded his apparel empire to include other brands, like Bath & Body
Works, Pink and, most notably, Victoria's Secret, a once-obscure lingerie store that he turned
into an empire. It's all now under the umbrella of his company, L Brands. He is the
longest-running CEO of a Fortune 500 company.
He also ventured into real estate, developing the posh community of New Albany, Ohio, where
Wexner lives in a 60,000-square-foot mansion. According to Forbes, he's worth $4.6 billion .
How much has he given to Jewish causes?
Plenty. The Wexner Foundation is among the most prominent private Jewish charities in the
world. In 2017, according to tax documents, it gave $3.6 million in charity, much (but not all)
of it to Jewish educational causes, as well as more money for educational programs.
The foundation is best known in the Jewish world for its graduate fellowship, which awards
scholarships to 20 promising graduate students in Jewish fields, including rabbinical school,
cantorial school, Jewish educational school or another degree program. More than 1,800 people
have participated in its program aimed at providing volunteer board leadership with lessons in
Jewish history, thought, texts and contemporary issues. The foundation runs a variety of other
programs, including training for Israeli public officials.
What does all of this have to do with Jeffrey Epstein?
Nothing, and everything. For decades, if Wexner spent any money, Epstein was likely
connected to it somehow. Epstein, a former prep school teacher, had entered the finance world
and gained a reputation as an astute money manager for the super-wealthy. He met Wexner in the
1980s, and the two forged a close relationship. Epstein eventually received power of attorney
over Wexner's finances.
In a statement last week distributed by
his foundation, Wexner wrote that Epstein "had wide latitude to act on my behalf with respect
to my personal finances while I focused on building my company and undertaking philanthropic
efforts." In 2003, Wexner told Vanity Fair that Epstein
had "excellent judgment and unusually high standards."
Epstein also was involved with Wexner's charitable efforts. In 1990, the two helped fund the
construction of a new building for the Harvard Hillel. Two years later, after Wexner's mother
fell ill, Epstein replaced her on the Wexner Foundation board.
In his recent statement, Wexner insisted that Epstein "had no executive responsibilities in
the running of the Foundation" and "did not work directly with Foundation staff, and he did not
engage with leadership initiatives in any way."
Sounds like they were really close.
Yes, and their relationship was more than a typical professional one. They were invested
together in Wexner's Ohio real estate development. Epstein lived in Wexner's New York City
townhouse for years, eventually acquiring it, along with acquiring a private plane from
Wexner.
Epstein also supervised the construction of Wexner's yacht, Limitless, and was a frequent
guest at Wexner's Ohio parties, according to The
New York Times . The Times also reported that Epstein froze out some of Wexner's friends
and acquaintances from his life.
When Epstein was first investigated in the
mid-2000s, for unlawful sex acts with a minor, he denied the allegations. Eventually, however,
he accepted a deal under which he pleaded guilty for two counts of solicitation of prostitution
-- one with a minor. Wexner says he broke off his relationship with Epstein in 2007 and later
found out that Epstein had taken a lot of money from him.
"This was, frankly, a tremendous shock, even though it clearly pales in comparison to the
unthinkable allegations against him now," Wexner wrote in his recent message,
regarding the financial misappropriation. "I am embarrassed that, like so many others, I was
deceived by Mr. Epstein. I know now that my trust in him was grossly misplaced and I deeply
regret having ever crossed his path."
In 2008, Epstein made a
$46 million donation to one of Wexner's charities. Wexner wrote in his letter that
"payments Mr. Epstein made to the charitable fund represented a portion of the returned monies"
Epstein had misappropriated.
According to
CNBC , Wexner has provided documents showing the financial misconduct to federal
investigators.
So has anyone implicated Wexner in Epstein's crimes? And what does this have to do with Alan
Dershowitz?
Wexner's name has been dragged into an ongoing legal battle between Alan Dershowitz and one
of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, and her lawyers.
Dershowitz had his own personal and professional relationship with Epstein.
They were close (Dershowitz has said he loved talking with Epstein and would show him
drafts of his books) and the high-profile lawyer has helped represent Epstein. Epstein once
brought Dershowitz to one of Wexner's parties -- as, Dershowitz says, an " intellectual
gift " to Wexner.
Two of Epstein's alleged victims, including Giuffre, have accused Dershowitz of sexual
assault,
which he denies . Dershowitz claims that the accusations against him were part of a plot by
one of Giuffre's attorneys, David Boies, to extort money from Wexner.
According to a report in the Miami Herald ,
another of Giuffre's lawyers, Stanley Pottinger, submitted an affidavit saying his client said
that under Epstein's direction, she had sex with both Dershowitz and Wexner.
But New York
magazine reported that "Boies had three conversations with Wexner's lawyers in 2015, after
which the allegations were quietly dropped." Boies asserted in an affidavit that "no settlement
demand was ever made, or even discussed."
Some of Epstein's alleged abuse occurred at the Manhattan townhouse once owned by Wexner,
where Epstein lived. Another Epstein accuser, Maria Farmer, said Epstein hired her to work on a
mural at Wexner's home in Ohio in the summer of 1996, and assaulted her there. In an
affidavit , she asserted that "Wexner's security staff refused to let me leave the
property" and that she was held against her will for approximately 12 hours.
Farmer said that after returning to New York, she filed a report with the police and the
FBI.
Farmer's affidavit does not suggest Wexner himself was involved with or knew about the
incident.
Federal authorities thus far have not implicated Wexner in Epstein's crimes, according to
Bloomberg , but prosecutors are still investigating which if any of Epstein's business
associates were involved with his alleged crimes. In a statement posted in July,
Wexner insisted (in all caps) that "I was NEVER aware of the illegal activity charged in the
indictment."
The Wexner Foundation has not given interviews about the scandal and declined to speak to
the Jewish Telegraphic Agency about the matter. JTA has asked the foundation specifically about
the allegations by Farmer and Giuffre, and also has reached out to Guiffre's lawyers, including
Pottinger, for comment.
According to The Times, Epstein also falsely represented himself as a talent scout for
Victoria's Secret, then used that identity to meet women whom he assaulted.
L Brands' stock price has
dropped as the Epstein scandal has unfolded.
"Nice guy(Bill Clinton) uhhh got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the
famous island with Jeffrey Epstein lot of problems."
-Donald Trump at 2015 CPAC conference
How does the Candidate Trump knew in 2015 that, "Nice guy(Bill Clinton) uhhh got a lot of
problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein lot of
problems."?
What does the above tell us about Candidate Trump and his foreknowledge to things to
come?
"... on the Lolita Express; was it really beyond him to order a hit? ..."
"... New York Times ..."
"... Are the Elites the arch villains from the comic books, probably not, but then again many of them operate corporations that cause suffering to economically deprived populations all over the world. ..."
"... Why is this surprising? Aristocrats have always behaved this way. ..."
"... The sexual abuse of children and kids in their early teens is a very democratic crime. While physical abuse and neglect are linked to lower-income parents, sexual abuse occurs in all strata of society. It is not confined to the elites or to money changers. Nor to Jews, if that is what you are implying. ..."
"... Unconcerned about negative consequences, these people have become increasingly brazen. They certainly know that the laws that apply to you and me do not apply to them. ..."
"... In the words of George Carlin, "it's a big club, and you ain't in it." I stopped reading after the first two para's on this, tone is exactly the same as the sneering disdain from the empire's various MSM propaganda arms aimed at those "not in the club." ..."
"... 1) Either our intelligence agencies knew what was going on with Epstein and did nothing to stop him. Or... ..."
"... 2) They had no clue .. ..."
"... Occam's Razor says Possibility No. 1 is more likely to be the truth. But what would such a truth tell us? ..."
"... "What I am saying is that Epstein's direct testimony – AND ONLY EPSTEIN'S DIRECT TESTIMONY – had the potential to create a Common Knowledge moment that could bring down – not just specific sociopathic oligarchs like Mob Boss Donald or Mob Boss Bill or Mob Boss Andrew if they were the specific targets of that testimony – but the entire Mob system of sociopathic oligarchy. ..."
"... One strongly suspects that Ghislaine Maxwell knows just as much as Epstein did. Her participation was just as important to the operation of this "trafficking" ring. She was the lead recruiter, handled logistics, "grooming" and also was Epstein's "in" to many of his VIP associates (who were really clients). If witness accounts are accurate, she was also a participant in a good number of these depraved, criminal acts. ..."
"... The fact she has not been charged is quite the tell about our system of "justice." ..."
"... This is a dangerous slope. People once bowed to the elites because there was a principle of enforcement called nobless oblige. Society felt that elites had to be held to a higher standard because they carried greater responsibilities and burdens for society and the welfare of the national good. ..."
"... Since the 1960s nobless oblige has been downgraded to sound bites and photo ops for publicity and marketing. The elites have all but abandoned their responsibilities to support religion, to support education (except to indocrinate), to support tradition and society and the national good. The elites have become inward looking, inbred and narcissistic with little to no outward focus except in a marxist totalitarian vein of thought which serves their interest, indulges their hungers, preserves their wealth and power. ..."
"... My point was that as popolo minuti transform into popolo grossi in terms of access to power, they tend to start to transform into them in terms of moral character as well. (Inequality of) power corrupts, and absolute (inequality of) power corrupts absolutely. Thus, it seems that the over-representation of psychopaths in positions of power is because the psychopathy is acquired (and plenty of studies show drastic declines in empathy with even a little priming for power), rather than because it is easier for psychopaths to rise to the top. The worst of the popolo grossi tend to be hereditary. ..."
"... I think we're a lot closer to 1789 France than we want to believe. Read some Chris Hedges to see how the socialists see the current situation. Here's an example. https://www.commondreams.or... ..."
"... "given that all available evidence points to gross negligence on the part of the jail." How is gross negligence different from deliberate negligence? ..."
In our tense populist moment, Jeffrey Epstein's crimes land like a grenade. •
August 15, 2019
Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in Cambridge, MA on 9/8/04. (Photo by Rick Friedman/Corbis via Getty Images) Hands up, those of you who
made a Fort Marcy Park joke last Saturday. Anyone? Surely there were a few. Fort Marcy Park was the Washington, D.C. woodland where
White House attorney Vince Foster was found dead in 1993, and while his demise was repeatedly ruled a suicide, certain conservatives
spent years afterwards hallucinating that the Clintons had him killed. Now, a quarter century later, both right and left are back
in conspiracy mode. Mere hours after pedo-to-the-stars Jeffrey Epstein was reported to have killed himself, the hash tag #ClintonBodyCount
began circulating on Twitter, followed closely by #TrumpBodyCount. Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump had been associates of Epstein's;
both, the thinking went, might have been desperate for him not to take the stand.
It is wrong, of course, to publicly speculate that Epstein was whacked, given that all available evidence points to gross negligence
on the part of the jail. But can you really blame people? Twenty-five years ago, if you'd said that a roll call of America's elites,
everyone from a former president to the most famous lawyer in the country, would be implicated in a sex trafficking ring masterminded
by an enigmatic Wall Street financier who was also a member
of the Trilateral Commission , you would have been laughed into the darkest corner of the local subway platform (next to the
guy holding the "Vatican Hides Pedophiles" sign, presumably). Today, you'd be reading AP copy. Validate an improbable conspiracy
theory, and you grant license to all the related improbable conspiracy theories: Bill Clinton flew dozens of times on the Lolita Express; was it really beyond him to order a hit?
And if we know one thing about the Epstein story, it's that everything about it is utterly improbable. Epstein stands credibly
accused of assembling a
veritable underage harem . One of his victims, Virginia Guiffre, has already
implicated Prince Andrew
, the third-born of Queen Elizabeth II, and a picture has since emerged showing the royal with his arm around the then-teenager's
waist. Guiffre says she was also
ordered
to have sex with , among others, a "foreign president," a "well-known prime minister," and a "large hotel chain owner." Such
an open secret was all this perversion that the current president of the United States
made cheeky reference to it back in 2002. So invincible
did Epstein think himself that he discussed underage sex openly, telling a New York Times reporter that laws against pedophilia
were a
"cultural aberration."
That Epstein looked to other cultures to rationalize his behavior is nothing new -- Oscar Wilde wrapped his similar predilections
in lofty talk about the Greek ideal. What is different is that rather than being hunted and exposed by the powerful, as Wilde was,
Epstein was protected by them for decades. Even after he was convicted of soliciting an underage prostitute in 2008, he was sentenced
to only 18 months in prison, held in a
private
wing of the Palm Beach County stockade, and let out on generous "work release."
Study the Epstein case long enough and you end up at Alex Jones's favorite conclusion: they're all sons of bitches. Everyone who
was anyone seemed to be in on this, or at least acting at the behest of someone who was. The essence of the conspiratorial mindset
is that powerful shadowy forces are, first, capable of and engaged in the most dastardly skullduggery imaginable, and, second, in
cabal-like cooperation with each other across all levels of power. The Epstein case seems to affirm both planks. It makes our elites
seem like aliens, of a different culture, a different moral code, a different species -- how else could they have let slide what
none of us ever would? Mary Colum's remark to Ernest Hemingway, "The only difference between the rich and other people is that the
rich have more money," has rarely rang less true.
There's been for some time now a sense of drift between most Americans and their elites, driven by factors like income inequality,
geographic enclaving, and cultural differences. We are living in a populist moment, to be sure, an era when the usual purveyors of
class warfare sound more apt than they otherwise would. In such a fraught environment, the Epstein revelation lands like a grenade.
Not only are America's gentry hitching rides on the Acela while mumbling about deplorables -- so the feeling goes -- they're also
running cover for a Caligula who's preying on little Susie down the street. Suddenly the populist divide doesn't just run between
classes or races or regular toast versus avocado, but between ethical extremes, good and literal evil.
This is, of course, what most populists profess: the people as a group are wholesome, the elites as a group are venal, and the
former has to be vaulted over the latter in order for society to be made whole again. Yet Epstein's crimes are so wicked as to potentially
set this moral chasm ablaze like never before. That's why, though Trump may have associated with Epstein, he's unlikely to be damaged
by him: everything that's happened only confirms what he's been saying for years. In fact, you might view the Epstein fracas as a
dialectic between two of his former associates, Trump's throw-them-out populism versus Clinton's benevolent stewardship of society
by the smart set. And Trump won out.
Just as populisms aren't driven entirely by economic causes, so too are revolutions often about more than bread. Consider the
Russian Revolution, sparked at least in small part by the people's perception of Rasputin as a sexual deviant. Consider, too, the
French Revolution's rage against the profligate "Madame Déficit" Marie Antoinette. In such cases, the moral tends to get intertwined
with the economic; license is seen as enabling decadence while the people pray and starve. This can be a blind spot in traditional
conservative thinking. We rightly detest (most) revolutions and the tremors they cause, but we sometimes fail to notice that the
Jacobins have good reason to be angry and that the ruling classes they overthrow really are that loathsome.
America is nowhere near 1789 France, or armed revolution in general. But we are anxious, restive, hungry for justice. A republic
likes ours depends on the harmonious coexistence of its people and its elites, a matter that our Founders spent a good deal of time
worrying about. Now we have a hideous face f0r elite corruption, one that's enabled fever in the national mind and dehumanized those
around him. For those of us who prize stability and liberty in a polity, who think populism is always best in modest doses, the weeks
ahead may be reason for worry.
Because it seems there's only more to come. On Wednesday, another victim
came forward , alleging
that Epstein raped her when she was 14 after she turned down sex with him. That this carnal omega, this pathetic loser, this finger-sniffing
pervert from every teen comedy lurking outside the pretty girl's home longing for a piece of discarded lingerie was somehow elevated
into a Teflon-coated Wall Street sun god is beyond comprehension. My friend Michael Davis calls Epstein and company the
Hellfire Club , but
just how much will they torch on their way down?
When I started to see what was going on in this country, which was my journey, I was amazed to find out that there is sex trafficking
8 blocks from the White House and I learned of this in 2011. Lisa Ling did a great documentary on it. "Night time traffic greater
than the day time." Pimps attempting to recruit girls walking home from school. If you pay attention it is also a journey of
the food chain of Corporate America that supports this.
This is a Money Changer issue, that is about the closing of eyes from both parties. and please don't tell me this is not so.
I know better than that.
To be absolutely, clear there was speculation that Epstein was going to be assassinated weeks before it happened. For the most
part citizens aren't so much surprised, as disappointed that Justice is once again foiled.
Are the Elites the arch villains from the comic books, probably not, but then again many of them operate corporations that
cause suffering to economically deprived populations all over the world.
When the World's 26 richest people own as much as
poorest 50%, just how close do they seem to achieve a god like status when looking up from the bottom? Maybe that's one reason
that people are so angry when it seems that the most vulnerable among us, our children, are the victims of a limited number
of the Elites and their twisted and horrific appetites.
I personally doubt much will come of the Epstein affair it will most likely be just one more myth added to the tally of
injustice, and the people will have to bitterly swallow it whole. It will probably take many more cases like this being exposed
before the people actually have their fill, and decide to do something about it. In the meantime, prepare to see more of the
same by the laughing and mocking Elites
In this day and age, I doubt a reporter will touch this story, and if they did, the real story would never make it into
the Main Stream Media. And, most likely the reporter would be permanently black balled, and never work in Journalism again.
It's happened many times before, because it doesn't fit within the approved propaganda message.
Give the story a couple decades or more, and it may come out, but otherwise it will be handled as a whack-job Conspiracy
Theory.
The Fourth Estate is the only business that is protected by the Constitution, and yet it has been neutered, and those in
the Press, who were supposed to be the Watchdogs for the people, have become the Lapdogs of the Elites.
What passes as News today is formulaic programming, passed on from the Propagandist to the Media, both nationally
and locally.
Two Republican state senators and two New York City Policemen died violently within 72 hours ....
1. On June 4, former Arkansas Senator Linda Collins-Smith, 57, was found dead outside her home, her body unrecognizable
on discovery. Police are now investigating her death as a homicide. On June 5, the county prosecutor announced that the circuit
judge sealed the documents and statements obtained by police.
2. On June 5, Deputy Chief Steven Silks, 62, weeks away from retirement, was found in an unmarked police car with a gunshot
wound to the head. News reports reported indicate it seemed self-inflicted.
3. On June 5, former Oklahoma Sen. Jonathan Nichols, 53, was found shot dead in his home. Police have not announced whether
they are investigating a suicide or homicide..
4. On June 6, Detective Joseph Calabrese, 58, was found near his police car on a Brooklyn, NY beach, dead of a gunshot wound
in what one report called an apparent suicide.
RIP.
Many other Americans died violently this past week. Why link these four together?
The answer comes down to a dark suspicion and a few hard facts which suggest that one or more of these four deaths might
have had something to do with these individuals' work against pedophiles and human trafficking, or the official corruption
so often surrounding both.
The sexual abuse of children and kids in their early teens is a very democratic crime. While physical abuse and neglect are
linked to lower-income parents, sexual abuse occurs in all strata of society. It is not confined to the elites or to money
changers. Nor to Jews, if that is what you are implying.
Just about everyone in America has a family member who was sexually abused by someone who was usually not elite. Therefore,
I cannot get worked up about class issues because of Jeffrey Epstein.
What I can get worked up about are the way elites start wars for poor people to die in and the way poor people get cruel
sentences while the elite either walk or get the Epstein treatment--private wing, generous work release.
I agree. Young girls are trafficked in more circles than the elite. I don't understand the connection to any particular social
class. But better connected people do have better lawyers and can get away with more. Until like Mr. Epstein , they don't.
The true character of these people is starting to be revealed. This (lack of) character is not only displayed when these men
travel to Pedo Island, it's on display everywhere they go, in everything they do. Every organization they lead, or have anything
to do with, is likely rotten to the core.
Unconcerned about negative consequences, these people have become increasingly brazen. They certainly know that the laws
that apply to you and me do not apply to them.
If the system is so corrupt to have protected Epstein for decades, who else is being protected? Who else is getting away
with figurative rape in every department of government, or house of finance?
The sooner the public recognizes the "true face" of our elites and rulers the better. Left to their own devices,
these people - who think they have class but in reality are the worst kind of trash - can bring down a nation.
Literally no one I know thought this guy would make it to trial alive with the exception of me, as I still had some hope in
the system, and I was proven wrong. I've lost whatever remaining faith I had in the system.
In the words of George Carlin, "it's a big club, and you ain't in it." I stopped reading after the first two para's on this,
tone is exactly the same as the sneering disdain from the empire's various MSM propaganda arms aimed at those "not in the club."
1) Either our intelligence agencies knew what was going on with Epstein and did nothing to stop him. Or...
2) They had no clue ... which would mean our much vaunted intelligence community knew nothing about the travel habits of
the "ruling class" of the world, about Jeff Epstein's real activities, had received no tips, had no insiders, and were incapable
of "putting two and two together," etc. In short, Big Brother - with all its resources and intelligence and sources - with
capabilities that put the Gestapo or the KGB to shame - had no idea.
Occam's Razor says Possibility No. 1 is more likely to be the truth. But what would such a truth tell us?
The third possibility is that BigBrother was in on it and didn't object to sacrificing teenage girls to get compromising information
on people they wanted tp blackmail.
"What I am saying is that Epstein's direct testimony – AND ONLY EPSTEIN'S DIRECT TESTIMONY – had the potential to create a
Common Knowledge moment that could bring down – not just specific sociopathic oligarchs like Mob Boss Donald or Mob Boss Bill
or Mob Boss Andrew if they were the specific targets of that testimony – but the entire Mob system of sociopathic oligarchy.
Jeffrey Epstein was the Missionary to bring down the monsters behind the monster, to bring down the SYSTEM of monsters.
Jeffrey Epstein's books and records are not. The individual voices of Jeffrey Epstein's victims are not.
And that's what makes me angriest of all.
That while the individual victims of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes will maybe (maybe!) get some smattering of "justice" and recompense
from the show trial of a monster's estate, there will be no Justice served against the monsters behind the monster, that the
Mob system of sociopathic oligarchy that CREATED this Jeffrey Epstein and the next Jeffrey Epstein and the next and the next
will continue unabated. Untouched. Golden."
One strongly suspects that Ghislaine Maxwell knows just as much as Epstein did. Her participation was just as important to
the operation of this "trafficking" ring. She was the lead recruiter, handled logistics, "grooming" and also was Epstein's
"in" to many of his VIP associates (who were really clients). If witness accounts are accurate, she was also a participant
in a good number of these depraved, criminal acts.
The fact she has not been charged is quite the tell about our system of "justice."
Whether Epstein was killed or committed suicide I don't know. I would however like to know who these elites were who participated
in the rapes of these young girls. They are just as guilty as Epstein whether they knew the ages of these girls or not, it
was there responsibility to find out.
This is a dangerous slope. People once bowed to the elites because there was a principle of enforcement called nobless oblige.
Society felt that elites had to be held to a higher standard because they carried greater responsibilities and burdens for
society and the welfare of the national good.
Since the 1960s nobless oblige has been downgraded to sound bites and photo ops for publicity and marketing. The elites have
all but abandoned their responsibilities to support religion, to support education (except to indocrinate), to support tradition
and society and the national good. The elites have become inward looking, inbred and narcissistic with little to no outward
focus except in a marxist totalitarian vein of thought which serves their interest, indulges their hungers, preserves their
wealth and power.
What you are have been seeing since the 1960s is the veneer being pulled off the rich and powerful. I would say Nixon and
Princess Diana and Ted Kennedy did the most to pull down the veneer from the rich and powerful but it could be argued that
Nixon and Princess Diana and Ted Kennedy were accidental victims of circumstance. However Epstein's human trafficking of children
for sex and blackmail .... breaks the most because his crimes were no accident nor was he a victim of circumstance. Epstein
planned this and created an organization around it elevating his elitist crimes to a level no that I dont think anyone in modern
history can match.
I doubt that history's elites were ever any better. It's just that with far less transparency and access, it was much easier
for them to hide how awful they were. The 1960s was the start of mass media, and so the veneer started to crack.
I do think this COULD qualify as "the story of the century." That is, If the story was told in its entirety - all "names"
exposed.
If fully told, the swamp might, in fact, be "drained."
Now the people in said swamp have a strong incentive to protect their domain. Which is why so many of us are skeptical the
true story will ever be told.
If there was ever a time where brave and patriotic whistleblowers were needed ...
"This is, of course, what most populists profess: the people as a group are wholesome, the elites as a group are venal, and
the former has to be vaulted over the latter in order for society to be made whole again."
Sorry, but take a look at the average American. The so-called "people" are for the most part just as morally obtuse as the
"elites" but they carry the additional burden of being not only ignorant but also stupid. Just look around. Best recent example
of the utter stupidity of the American people: a recent survey shows they think 23% of the population is gay. Really.
But isn't the issue exactly that the "only difference between the rich and other people is that the rich have more money" comment
is perfectly true?
The rich and powerful are us, but corrupted by riches and power. Many of them behave the way many of us would quickly start
to behave if we found ourselves in their shoes. If the gap in power between you and most other people is so huge that you can
do anything to them and get away with it, your morals stop applying to them because you start to view them as somewhat subhuman.
In this sense, I'm sure Epstein never even thought of raping the underage daughters of other elites.
Thus, the issue is stratospheric inequality of power (by whatever fungible measure you choose - money, political, religious,
social, etc). And we see it happen ALL the time throughout history and across geographies - as soon as the power gap is in
excess of social boundaries, as soon as there is a group of people you can do pretty much anything you want to and get away
with it, you start going a little crazy. Exploitation, rape, torture, murder, slavery - everything starts looking justified.
Then it's just a matter of degree, with tin-pot dictators on one end and Epstein somewhere in the middle.
Read Machiavelli. He observed that the popolo minuti (regular folks) just wished to be left alone by authorities whereas popolo
grossi (fat cats) were of a different psychological composition: they delighted in deception, were vain, greedy and hungry
for power.
Centuries later, studies of psychopaths reveal these creatures are different from regular humans at the brain level. The elites
are psychopathic (the key ones are) and no, they ain't like regular people. They are literally a different kind.
My point was that as popolo minuti transform into popolo grossi in terms of access to power, they tend to start to transform
into them in terms of moral character as well. (Inequality of) power corrupts, and absolute (inequality of) power corrupts
absolutely. Thus, it seems that the over-representation of psychopaths in positions of power is because the psychopathy is
acquired (and plenty of studies show drastic declines in empathy with even a little priming for power), rather than because
it is easier for psychopaths to rise to the top. The worst of the popolo grossi tend to be hereditary.
In my opinion, there is nothing so dangerous as to believe that evil people are a different breed from the rest of us. Instead,
they tend to simply be us, but in different circumstances. History tends to show that revolutions aimed at replacing the evil
people with better people end up with corrupted revolutionaries, rather than a fundamentally less abusive system.
"It reminds me of a well known speech by a defense counsel, who pleaded his client's poverty as an excuse of robbing and murdering
six of his victims, on the lines that "My client's poverty drove him to murder six people, everybody else would have done the
same!"
Outstanding article. However, I think we're a lot closer to 1789 France than we want to believe. Read some Chris Hedges to
see how the socialists see the current situation. Here's an example.
https://www.commondreams.or...
Elites, that is those with more wealth and/or power than the rest of the masses have always been this way. Remember how decadent
the European aristocracy was with their sport of "wenching"? that is going around in groups raping young peasant girls. Also,
there was the Hellfire Club which you can research if you want details. This scandal will get less and less coverage in the
MSM until it fades away like all the others involving the rich and powerful.
The Global "Elite" control our Ruling Class by means of blackmail. A person does not get raised to high truly influential positions
of power(Politicians, Judges, Hollywood, etc.) unless they have enough dirt on you to know that they can control you without
question. The most powerful form of blackmail that they have is ped0filia because it is THE most abhorrent crime that someone
can commit, so much so that even criminals in prison refuse to allow ped0 scumbags to be housed near them.
Trump has an obvious penchant for beautiful WOMEN not kids. He was helping and somewhat part of the "Elite" in that he was
joining in with them to buy politicians for influence but Trump neutralized that being over his head by openly admitting to
buying politicians. They thought it was safe to allow him to run because they thought it was a joke and he would never get
elected. They were wrong. In my opinion, they don't have enough dirt on him to get him to go along with their agenda of selling
out the USA to the highest bidder hence the all-out attacks on him.
The key to understanding the "Elite"/Ruling Class dynamic is not conflating the two and realizing that blackmail is the
main tool used by the one to keep the other under their control.
*Sorry about the Trump tangent above but it's absolutely ridiculous that people are trying to tie Trump to Epstein even
though Trump has been trying to bring national attention to the Epstein case FOR YEARS.
"given that all available evidence points to gross negligence on the part of the jail."
How is gross negligence different from deliberate negligence?
You can tell? And btw the WaPo just came out with news that broken
bones in Epstein's neck are more usual in cases of homicide.
I generally see anyone who belittles
'Conspiracy theorists' as part of an Establishment that uses 'incompetence' as the perennial excuse for everything that goes
wrong.
The old accusation, that you are a 'conspiracy theorist' (a term invented by the CIA after the Kennedy assassination) is holding
less and less weight. The irrational kooks now seem to be the people who think Epstein committed suicide. Jokes were everywhere
about how 'we were shocked to hear about the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein, next Tuesday' when a day later we hear, 'Jeffrey Epstein
committed suicide'.
By the way, this equivalence between Trump and Clinton is bogus, I believe. There isn't much evidence of any involvement
of Trump (some evidence to the contrary in fact), but there is a load of evidence suggesting 'Wild Bill' was availing himself.
Remember when Maxine Waters was labelled a kook for saying the CIA was bringing cocaine into her LA district? She was mocked
and ridiculed. Now we know she was right. You can't make this stuff up.
I'm sorry, but this case stinks to high heaven, and if you're ready to accept "gross negligence" as the explanation you're
likely to believe ANYTHING the authorities tell you. Epstein was either murdered, as the autopsy and reports of shrieking from
his cell indicate, or subbed out by intelligence services and replaced by a murdered homeless person who received plastic surgery.
Study the history of modern intelligence services: appearances are deceiving, and systemic disinformation is endemic to politics.
Careful public speculation, acknowledging where we're uncertain, is very much the responsible thing to do; otherwise there
is no hope of democratic accountability. The investigation we're being promised will be conducted by the exact same institution
-- the US Department of Justice -- that was responsible for keeping Epstein safe and securing his public testimony about his
criminal network. These are the people you want us to trust? Come on, a little critical reasoning, please!
The most ridiculous part is the idea that being rich and powerful gives you a predilection to turn a blind eye. My wife's family
turned a blind eye to a perverted uncle that molested multiple family members over decades. No one stood up, it would've been
a shame to them to admit it. How is this any different?
Kit Knightly at OffGuardian has a great commentary on how the Guardian is shaping
its coverage of this Epstein situation, particularly in regard to all us conjecturing
types:
> Maxwell was reading a book called "The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of
CIA Operatives"
You can't make this up. It's like they are doing everything possible to give conspiracy
theorists maximum ammo. All we need now is to find out that Maxwell's Twitter handle is
'#M0554d4g3nt4L1f3'
“Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein’s one-time girlfriend and alleged
co-conspirator, was spotted Monday at an In-N-Out Burger in Universal City, California, of
all places.”
I pass this place nearly every day…
Need me to grab her?
For what it is worth ( Not much), I have spoken to about a dozen people about Epstein's
death. Not one of them believes Epstein committed suicide. I asked a wide range of people
from small town mayors to Realtors to a commercial fisherman.
I have insufficient information to make a judgement, however I do consider it more likely
than not that Epstein was killed. My opinion is based on nothing more than 60 plus years of
paying attention to how things really work, it was a mighty convenient death.
And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner
in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on "suicide watch" commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond
pathetic.
I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience
suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract
employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".
So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an
existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so
on.
Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.
It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels
he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate
in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff,
but there are subtle pressures.
A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope
that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged
himself with.
I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations,
made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys
had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.
To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell
and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked
in his cell when he was found.
If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and
they do what their discipline demands of them.
Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.
He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity
of first charging him.
The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out
of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.
The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn't mean much.
If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don't have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people
who don't give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I'd say it was the
Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.
@Clifford Brown Yeah, common sense, pedos
in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.
Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger
fall in status.
Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of
strange jurisdiction issue?
@Jonathan Mason Unless you worked at this
particular prison and know the policies, this is nonsense at best and active disinfo at worst.
At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that "so and so said he was going to
kill himself" or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.
This by no means a "massive cost". It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers
or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.
The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.
"Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself. "
Your Devil's Advocate shtick would carry more water if there was any pattern established among enormously rich and powerful
narcissistic men committing suicide after arrest and or conviction for sex crimes.
I'm mean, at this point he was more likely to request a sex change based on Sailer's theory about rich powerful Alphas going
tranny post middle age.
But if anything he probably believed that he could beat the case just based on who he was.
Based on what we are seeing already in the immediate reactions on SM, there's a serious effort to (((circle the wagons))) from
all sides.
You'd be wise to pick a better battle to fight. There's no believable way he killed himself.
"Most of the American people have learned today that their "elites" are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what
it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make
Americans uncomfortable."
I'm not one for conspiracy theories of any sort, and even in this case I'm leaning more towards "not a conspiracy theory," but
I find myself having doubts. That said, there are a few things that I can't really reconcile:
1. He had attempted suicide before very recently, and this is a high profile case, so he should be under constant surveillance.
He's so high-value (both financially and criminally) that no matter the cost, he would be constantly under surveillance. There
should be no way that this guy just slips through the cracks and offs himself. The level of incompetence required to make this
happen might only be seen in the most corrupt African countries.
2. He had attempted suicide before very recently, so why would someone else attempt to assist him or kill him? This is one
of those "if you're going to kill the king, don't miss" type situations. Had he died in the first attempt, it would be plausible
that it was suicide; but a second attempt in such close succession? This would make it obvious that someone was out to kill him,
and ruin the entire clandestine nature of it. Chances of the assassin (and assassination plot) being found out are much greater.
I don't quite know what to make of this. 1 makes it highly unlikely he did this himself, but 2 makes it highly unlikely someone
else did it.
Pedophiles typically have many accomplices. It's a well known fact a considerable number of powerful men participate in these
pedophile rings. When one guy gets caught, he becomes the fall guy and takes the blame. If it looks like he might turn, he gets
"suicided" before he can talk.
Given what happened to Epstein today, is it really so implausible that other molesters could've been killed in jail by assassins?
Given how low-profile most of those cases are in general, it'd be so much easier to get away with assassinations.
I find it breathtaking that even with all this public attention, Epstein couldn't have been prevented from committing "suicide."
@Flip Did the intelligence agency that was
running Epstein really believe that he'd never be arrested and pressured to squeal?
Didn't they have a back-up plan in case he was sent to jail? After all, Epstein was dodging serious charges for years, so the
possibility of getting picked up again was not that remote.
Would Epstein have been "suicided" if his handlers were sure he wouldn't talk/rat them out?
Or, was Epstein threatening to tell all, and did his handlers decide to use "extreme prejudice"?
If he did hint at anything to his lawyers, they are dead men walking . . .
This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is.
I might like to think of myself as clever but I bet I have no clue just how bad it really is.
Dear Deep State,
I believe Vince Foster committed suicide.
I believe Seth Rich died in a bungled street robbery.
I believe Whitey Bulger's death was just another ordinary case of prisoner-on-prisoner violence.
I believe it was the autopsy of Stephen Paddock, the body found in the hotel room.
I believe Hillary's deleted emails were all about yoga and weddings.
I believe Bill and Loretta talked about golf and grandkids on the plane on the tarmac.
I believe
in Credere, Obbedire, Combattere
@Cagey Beast One of the interesting revelations
to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.
The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing.
If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess
is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.
@Lot "Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail
have an extremely high rate of suicide"
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein's personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things
just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You're trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it's
so deeply felt you don't even understand it yourself, but it's utterly obvious to those outside you.
I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.
It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch
due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists
in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch
because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99%
of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated
like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves
because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.
Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would
have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't
have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won
The most baffling ( or perhaps not) thing about Epstein's death was the curious lack of curiousity by the media. Last week when
a gunman opened fire in the El Paso Walmart the media went to wall to wall coverage despite not having any real information to
impart, not even a body count! That did not stop the networks from bringing on their retired Law Enforcement 'experts' to bloviate
for hour after hour.
Contrast that with today. With the public desperate to know how a marked man in federal custody could somehow kill himself
or be killed the media only ran an obligatory segment at the top of the each hour and then resumed their planned coverage about
gun control.
@R.G. Camara Trump using Epstein to take
down the Clintons. That was Tom Luongo's first impression and he wrote a couple of columns about it a month or so ago:
In this day and age, the only way to get an honest death penalty for a monster like Epstein is to have it be self-inflicted. I'm
very pleased he hung himself. He saved us a lot of taxpayer money
To be honest, I think Epstein could have gotten off lightly if he'd turned state's evidence and ratted on his high profile friends.
He could have gone into a witness protection program afterwards. But I suspect he held assets that could not be explained by normal
means, and he didn't want all that dug up.
He has an interesting history. He was dismissed as a teacher, and was asked to leave Bear Stearns. Finally, he decided to leave
this life. Nothing but a history of being kicked out or checking out.He knew and gave tax advice to Edgar Bronfman, father of
Clare Bronfman of the NXIVM sex cult. I wonder if Epstein had any connection to the cult? If he gave tax advice to Edgar, why
not his daughter? He was also an adviser to Adnan Khashoggi,
In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described
as a facility in which suicide is "nearly impossible" due to the elaborate security procedures.
In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per
40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.
What a huge coincidence.
By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.
So Epstein's chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of "committing suicide" while imprisoned in
that jail.
My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don't be a "conspiracy theorist."
Never been a huge fan of the 'obvious' conspiracies (JFK etc.). I still say the odds are on a real suicide. Older man, no more
of his girls or decent food or anything he likes forever. The idea of a life in a little cell is probably far more difficult to
get used to than most of us know. And we're dealing with a spoiled rich guy here too. More than a few much tougher guys have been
broken by the whole thing.
Despite all that, I'd still only put it at 70 percent that it's a real suicide. Maybe he was 'strongly encouraged' to do it.
Perhaps much more abuse was in the offing if he didn't and that was intimated to him in clear terms.
If I were going to kill Epstein, you can bet that I would shut down 8chan first. Oh, that happened on August 5? You don't say?
Just before the release of the court records? Really?
Poor Jeff, the guilt must have really gotten to him. When he commissioned that painting of himself in a prison yard, he
thought he could make it, but with guilt and prison life, etc etc he just could not go another day without a massage. What
a shame, what a damn shame
In Epstein's bio at Wikipedia, he is described as advising Bear Stearns' wealthiest clients on "tax mitigation", i.e. pay as little
tax as possible (Bear Stearns, a giant investment bank, was a casualty of the 2008 financial crisis.) Edgar Bronfman is specifically
mentioned as one such client, a billionaire who was also an extremely influential international lobbyist regarding Jewish issues,
above all within the late Soviet Union. Among Bronfman's children are two daughters who provided financial, legal, and material
support to NXIVM, a psychological cult which served as cover for a growing circle of sex slaves. And recall that Epstein was assisted
by a daughter of Robert Maxwell, another tycoon who after his death was eulogized for his service to Israel
And the 2 guards on his corridor were told to leave because of middle of the night maintenance. Must be an easy job 11 pm to
7 am shift electricians and plumbers on duty every night in case of sudden electric fire or flood Night shift differential too.
Probably need at least 2 people at all times because most jobs need 2 pairs of hands
I bet this was the first middle of the night maintenance since the building was finished.
And why would the guards have to leave? Who did this middle of the night maintenance?
If they do exist they died in auto crashes at 7/30 Saturday morning after they left work.
The absent guards are not liable because they followed procedure and obeyed the order to leave their post.
Who gave the order? " Oh, it came over the intercom. He said it was my superior, Captain so and so." " and did you indeed give
the order?" Captain so and so?"
" no I did not"
@Cagey Beast I had to switch back temporarily
to establishment media to see how this was being presented to the masses. With wry cynicism, it seems to me, even from the hairstyled
mediabots reading the autocue.
There's not even the "plausible" deniability they had with Seth Rich, God bless his soul.
"Most of the American people have learned today that their "elites" are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what
it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make
Americans uncomfortable.
Covington, at the end, used to say that the problem was not that people didn't know what would be required to save their freedom
and their continued existence as a people, but rather that they knew full well, and the thought was unbearable to most people.
@JohnnyWalker123 The Post article said they
looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn't become news? Is it normally newsworthy when a criminal
offs himself in jail?
And even if there were brief reports, they may not mention the name of the jail.
The other reported suicide was a "drug kingpin." Would a mid level dealer or random child porn downloader suicide really make
the news? I have actually never once read an article in my local paper about a local jail/prison suicide, though I am sure it
happens.
It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch
due to bureaucratic incompetence.
You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung.
All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome,
even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.
I agree Epstein wouldn't seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him
hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don't wake anyone else up?
We really can't know if it was suicide or murder. But we do know:
1. If it was a murder it is quite brazen and shows how confident the killers are that they can control the narrative on the story
in the world (not just US) media. It would be a sign that we live under totalitarian rule.
2. The fact that we can't know if our governmnet is this corrupt or not, because so much of what our government does is secret,
is a sign that we don't have a democracy or republic worthy of the name. If we lived in a democracy or a republic we wouldn't
have to worry about this.
3. "Consipiracy theories" are no longer the province of kooks. Reasonable people now have to be conspiracy theorists to avoid
being fooled by offical lies (Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
4. No good man can tolerate this condition. Something must change.
@Charles Erwin Wilson 3 Bill's body is degenerating
at a rapid pace as is Hillary's – they look like death. They are not even fuckable anymore, yet they will fight to the death of
them to defend some imaginary image they have of themselves. I hate these slimey, truly trashy low-lives, since 1991. I want them
tied to Epstein and rung under the keel of a ship, back & forth, until they can no longer speak.
At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that "so and so said he was going
to kill himself" or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.
This by no means a "massive cost". It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty
rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.
The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.
It could be very different where you live from the processes I have seen in Florida.
Certainly any CO could START the process of placing someone on suicide watch as you describe as an emergency procedure, but
they would still have to be assessed by psych as soon as reasonably possible, and certainly within 24 hours for that process to
continue for more than 24 hours, and they could only be released from suicidal watch on the with the approval of the psychiatrist.
If the process started at night, the inmate would still have to be taken to the medical department and seen by the nurse who
would evaluate the inmate and make a call to the on-call doctor for a verbal order to start SHOS protocols, pending a more detailed
psych eval the next day.
Since Epstein had been on suicide watch and released from it, it is unlikely that he was showing signs of suicidal intent that
a CO would recognize as an emergency on Friday evening. In fact it is most likely that he would have wanted to hide any such indications.
Your assumption is that there are plenty of hallway rovers available at the weekend, or junior COs available to sit in front
of the door flap and that overtime work would not be required, and neither you nor I can know what the staffing situation was
like in that facility last night. In the prison I worked at, staffing was extremely tight at weekends, especially if a CO got
injured or sick and had to leave, and there was constant pressure to reduce overtime which could easily be needed if someone was
to remain on SHOS over the weekend.
I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I'm just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong
sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive)
with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.
If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less
to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: "That guy victimized kids? He
must be a p ** sy. Maybe I'll beat him up and take his cigarettes."
I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations,
made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his
attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.
I believe he was awaiting an appeal of his bail decision. He might have had the expectation of release and house-arrest, at
least for a time. A slim possibility, but real none-the-less. He had not even been tried, let alone convicted. And he did beat
this rap before. If he wanted to kill himself, he would have any number of opportunities after he was convicted, when things truly
would be hopeless for him.
Assuming TPTB didn't kill him, i'd say Epstein realized for all his financial success, he'd wasted his life.
Epstein was obviously a talented guy. He could have lived a meaningful life–committed to his tribe, made aliyah, found a nice
girl, raised a family, been part of Israel's lineage and future or thrown in with America, found a girl and done the same here.
But to Epstein, America was nothing but a marketplace–for him to peddle whatever he could sell–and his legacy is as transient
and empty. He heeded the siren call of the dark side and so got his just deserts.
But the sad fact is that in the modern West under minoritarianism so many normal people waste their lives as well. Minoritarianism
breaks the bonds of neighborhood and nation, history and heritage. It corrodes culture and casts people adrift without connection
. It's step-sister feminism tells impressionable women deep lies and destroy lives. It's bitter fruit is spinsterhood, childlessness,
missing children, damaged families, divorce and death.
Epstein is the personification of a truth. A nation reduced to being a marketplace is nothing at all -- a suicidal path to
emptiness, despair and death.
@Cagey Beast Every 70 or so years the U.S.
goes through a major restructuring. Encrusted systems of injustice make people sufficiently angry that they are willing to forgo
short- and medium-term comfort in order to reorganize the systems
@AnotherDad I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, but
pimps are just evil. More evil than rapists in some ways. That's more than 2o years dealing with sex crimes speaking.
And the money? 85 million winning lottery ticket? 20 million house in Manhattan. Private planes so he could take minors out
of the country? His pimp partner the daughter of Maxwell the Mossad and KGB spy who stole the pension funds of dozens of companies.
That's just one of Maxwell's financial crimes.
Epstein's money came from Wexler. He owned an investment company but he never did any buying selling trades anything. NYC financial
folk gossiped about him for years about where his money cane from as his company did little investing had few clients or employees
He didn't even finish college. He was a 105 IQ White pimp and came to a bad end as most pimps do
psychopaths do not kill themselves never crosses their mind.
Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Kemper, David Berkowitz, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson – all of them did worse things than
Epstein is accused of doing. Pretty shameful things too – to anybody who has a sense of shame – murder, cannibalism, necrophilia.
And yet, none of them ever tried to commit suicide. They all clung to life until it was taken from them, if they are not still
alive.
I don't think Epstein had a single milliliter of shame in him. If he did, he wouldn't have lived his life the way he did.
I'm reading that the camera in Epstein's cell "malfunctioned."
Riiiiight.
K let's just cut right to the chase: everyone who doesn't believe that the Jewish Mafia (AKA international Jewry) had Epstein
murdered, plz raise ur hand.
Plz include explanation as to why someone who has half a billion dollars, has displayed no capability for shame or guilt, and
the maximum amount of chutzpah humanly possible, and who has beat the system over and over and over for most of his life, would
kill himself.
@Lawyer Guy Yep. It will be interesting
to see how much of a coverup follows. The murder scene? Court documents? Evidence gathered? (((Ghislaine Maxwell))) skates?
One complication is that the victims' lawyers are going after his estate. Speaking of, it'll be interesting to discover who
is going to get Epstein's stuff (AFAIK he has no kids).
Wouldn't be surprised if the victims' lawyers go after (((Madam Maxwell))) and try to take all her shit, too.
@Hopscotch The orange faggot could have
drained half the swamp the day after he was inaugurated, by firing anyone who smelled funny at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., etc., etc;
they have pretty much no legal protection from firing, because Cold War Taken Seriously.
He's fired nobody.
He sure as fuck isn't going to bother with investigations if he's too lazy or cowardly to even fire people.
One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch
won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Maybe Epstein was struck by lightning while in prison. He is .just .that .lucky.
No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to
make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?
In the two jailhouse suicides I reporter on (city jails, but probably similar to a fed clink), both of them used the thin blanket
provided to them, waited for the hourly check to happen, then tied one end around their neck and the other to the top bunk.
The thing is that means you still had contact with the floor and had to consciously keep as much weight on your neck until
you passed out. A neurologist I contacted after one of them told me that since a blanket would be much thicker than a rope, it's
conceivable death occurred in 7-8 minutes, but probably more like 10-20, and could have been as much as 30 to 45 minutes.
In both cases the two prisoners (one was caught with child porn) were extremely depressed about their circumstances, which
would explain the extraordinary lengths they went through to off themselves. Epstein struck me as an arrogant asshole, and not
the suicidal type, but that's just a guess on my part.
@Lot Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
first dated, then later operated a prostitution ring in South Florida. Ghislaine's father was a very valuable Mossad agent (as
confirmed by Israeli leaders and journalist Seymour Hersh). So valuable that various Israeli leaders and intelligence figures
attended his funeral.
Epstein was given a huge amount of money to manage by super pro-Israel Leslie Wexner (owner of L Brands and Victoria's Secret)
and then "misappropriated it." Epstein was even given a free (!!!) multimillion dollar house by Wexner.
For his crimes, Epstein got a super easy deal from Acosta in 2008. Later, Acosta claimed that someone told him that Epstein
was "intelligence" and therefore he should back down, which was Acosta's explanation for offering the easy deal. Acosta was later
fired for this.
Even before that, Epstein had a charmed existence for decades. Despite being a college dropout, he got a teaching job at super
prestigious Dalton. He later went to work on Wall Street and made partner at Bear Stearns. In what normal country does a college
dropout get all those cool jobs?
Even after his brief sentence for sex crimes in 2008, he continued to be accepted in elite circles. He seems to have surrounded
himself with a very high proportion of Jewish individuals.
I have no idea why Epstein was rearrested recently, but I suppose someone powerful must've had their hand forced. Jews may
not be all-powerful, but there's no way to understand Epstein's rise and his decades of untouchability without mentioning the
role of influential Jewish ethnic networks. If these networks can't protect their members 100% of the time, it doesn't mean they
don't exist.
The Epstein story is just too strange for real life.
@Mr. Anon Right. Epstein molested a lot
of teen girls, which is extremely common behavior for criminals. A huge fraction of them are involved in teen prostitution, either
as pimps or "johns." I really doubt any of them felt strongly about what Epstein did.
The reality is that pedophiles often operate with huge networks of co-abusers, with many of the abusers sometimes coming from
elite circles in government, entertainment, and business. So silencing these pedophiles before they talk is a priority. There
are lots of criminals who are willing to take a payment (or let their family take a payment) in return for whacking the convicted
pedophile in jail.
@Mr. Anon Yes it's true pedophiles get beat
up in prison. I think it because the prisoners want to feel morally superior in some way. Also because there's nothing to do in
prison, and it seems to me that prisoners recreate this bizzare culture of what they see in television and movies because they
have nothing better to do. So they form racial gangs and barter honey buns for cigarettes and kick newbies asses. Talking to them
I also get the sense that half of what they say isn't true, they're just embellishing the few things that did happen because mostly
nothing happened. Telling badass prison stories is cooler than admitting that you're a looser who spent two years of his life
locked up doing nothing. The one thing they all agree on is that nobody gets raped in the shower.
August 11, 2019 at 9:11 am GMT
200 Words @Mr. Anon Having spent time myself
in prison, I can state that it's categorically true that almost any kind of sex offender is a pariah whose safety is in danger
at any regular prison. As soon as you arrive at a facility someone from your race will enter your cell and demand to see your
official court papers. Just about any charge is fine as long as it doesn't have to do with sex or children. One cellmate I had
had shot his step-father in the head execution-style, which was considered perfectly acceptable. If your charges are considered
"bad" however, you will almost certainly be beaten on the spot and forced out of the unit. Many, probably most, states have separate
facilities dedicated to housing sex offenders because it is too difficult to keep them safe in any other setting. They are called
"chomos" and "Chesters".
Why do prisoners do this? I think it probably comes down mostly to two things. One, many prisoners themselves were
abused as children and genuinely hate abusers. Two, the entire world looks down on felons as beneath contempt, yet this is one
group they get to look down upon in the same way. Nobody wants to feel as if they are at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.
Otto von Bismark supposedly commented, at one point, "Never believe any rumor you may hear until it has been officially
denied." [1] It's an old idea, but it was always half joke before.
Counterinsurgency
If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don't have to live in the USA. It would have
been done by people who don't give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go
bad. I'd say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.
Whoever it was, the mission was so very risky that it would only have been approved if the damage from a live Epstein
would have had to exceed the damage from a blown mission cover. And that's saying something.
August 11, 2019 at 12:12 pm GMT
100 Words @Helo Look, you didn't have to
be Nostradamus to guess that Epstein might kill himself (or "kill himself"). The question is why something that was so obvious
to everyone else was not obvious to the Bureau of Prisons. I'd be skeptical too, but something not dissimilar happened to Whitey
Bulger. In his case, the answer was not even bureaucratic incompetence but that Bulger had threatened a BoP employee, so the system
decided to take revenge on him.
The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities
of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing and
it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial – they can be mundane and
petty.
Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?
Obviously there are a few Unz readers who have had such sheltered lives that they have never been in a prison.
You make several strands of paper rope as shown in the photo below, and then plait several strands together. It can
be surprisingly strong if done right. Prisoners can also use such ropes in escape attempts.
No word at this time on whether Epstein was a macrame hobbyist.
@Jonathan Mason I was a CO for about two
years. Your primary responsibility is security and you are taught to never leave inmates unsupervised. Inmates in their cells
have a certain amount of privacy, but you are supposed to make regular rounds. Modern prisons are engineered to take things like
fire into account-for instance, the prison where I worked had huge fans in the ceiling that are supposed to suck smoke out in
the event of fire. From the control booth there is a switch that can "pop" every door on a cell block and there are fire doors
that can be opened from there to allow inmates to evacuate to the yard. The prison where I worked had medical staff to respond
to medical emergencies, but some prisons may not. I can't see officers leaving an entire unit unsupervised (who was in the control
booth?) for any reason, so none of this makes any sense.
The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities
of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing
and it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial – they can be mundane
and petty.
This. Most people here are acting as if this prison was some sort of elite, specially-formed project designed for the sole
purpose of keeping Jeffrey Epstein, verified MOST IMPORTANT PRISONER IN THE WORLD, alive until trial. When in actuality I'm pretty
sure it's just another prison, and Epstein was mostly just another prisoner. One who probably actually warranted less attention
than most, as he was just an old man sitting by himself in his own cell.
I'm open to possibilities. But I'm gonna need actual evidence, not mere innuendo.
@TWS They were SUPPOSED to be checking on
him every half hour. But, and I know this is shocking, sometimes prison guards don't do their jobs. Maybe you have another job
during the day so you use your night shift job to get some well deserved rest. Just because there is some high profile Jew prisoner
that the Internet is all excited about doesn't mean that you should disrupt your usual sleep routine for that POS.
Everyone is looking at this from a top-down, how glad Bill Clinton is today perspective when the right way to look at these
things is from the bottom up – not what were the motives and incentives of the Establishment but what were the motives and incentives
of the poor schmuck whose job it was to watch Epstein. Of course, I think he misjudged – everyone from DJT to AOC is calling for
investigations and he's going to come into the crosshairs. But the union will defend him and he probably has enough seniority
to retire and take a pension so he'll be OK.
@Counterinsurgency The organizing principle
of highly identified Jewish actors is fear . Fear underlies every hatred.
Peoples who are afraid can be very effective in the short term due to their ferocity. If they can't rein it in over the long
term, they anger their allies and have to face their chosen opponents, and experience a backlash just as ferocious as they are
Was he? Even the MSM has been speculating recently as to where his money came from, given that he seemed to do nothing and
have no discernible talents or skills.
Clarification–for you, Alden, anyone else: I'm not particularly up to speed on the whole Epstein story. Don't know anything
about his background. But when i wrote "talented", i'm certainly not saying the guy was going to give us a breakthrough battery
technology or help develop the thorium cycle.
My take is that the skills to be pimp to movers and shakers, and run an operation like this Lolita express to the Caribbean
are not unlike those for selling cars or real estate or medical devices, or being a drug rep, or a lobbyist, or hawking financial
investments, etc. etc. etc. I.e. a schmoozer. As a grandson of the soil, i tend to have a low opinion of the middle man types.
My default thought is "parasite." But there's no doubt the sales guys can make a decent living in America. Enough to afford a
wife, some kids, the four bedroom house (in a neighborhood with 'good schools'). He could have been organizing the local little
league and been "a pillar of the community". Most importantly a father, with a family, a legacy, a stake in the future. But he
chose the dark side and lo and behold at 60 something realizes his life is a big zero.
This thread ("Epstein Dead") was buried under six new blog posts not long after it was posted, and therefore relatively less likely
get lots of views for the many who interact with the iSteve blog via either the main Unz.com page or
http://www.unz.com/isteve/ (as opposed to
http://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/ , showing all posts
in 'Teaser' versions).
Even so, this post, "Epstein Dead," has become the eighth-most-commented-thread this summer (so far) here at iSteve
. Two other Epstein posts from the period right after his arrest (July 6) are in the top 10, and another one on the list is from
after Epstein's first alleged 'injury' in prison (July 24), making a total of four Epstein posts in the Top 20.
______________________
Below I list/link to the most-commented iSteve posts for June 1 to Aug. 11, 2019
There were 337 iSteve blog posts in that period, so the below 25 posts are the top 7.5% most-commented-on posts of summer
2019 thru Aug. 11. This thread, "Epstein Dead," is at the 98th percentile in comment-count (and may rise further) in summer 2019.
19- " I am Not Making This Op-Ed Up
" [a Muslim-Canadian celebrating Toronto Raptors' winning NBA Finals as a victory of diversity] (June 17, 2019): 328 comments
Since the government is hopelessly corrupt and goes around "suiciding" people, why not demand that the NSA release every phone
call, email, or text message Epstein ever sent or received. The 4th Amendment is a dead letter anyway; might as well put some
of that NSA data to good use.
@Sean Good points and the Salon article
is very interesting.
This is my last comment on the fascinating Epstein story, but it does seem to be that nearly all the allegations against Epstein
come back to Virginia Roberts, who seems like a chronologically unreliabe witness when it comes to dates, and no one seems to
be able to explain how she, as a minor, obtained a passport and traveled all over the US and internationally with Epstein if she
did not have the collusion of her parents.
For a minor to obtain a US passport BOTH parents have to sign a consent and documentation regarding guardianship, etc. has
to be presented at immigration control for a minor to enter the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the company
of someone she is not related to , as she is alleged to have done with Epstein to visit Maxwell's London home.
@Lot'Unproved zero-evidence assumptions:
Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP '
Perhaps unproven, but hardly 'zero evidence.'
We have a former premier of Israel photographed slipping into Epstein's mansion, and we have the fact that Epstein himself
was closely associated with Zionist figures such as Wexler, Dershowitz, and Ghislane Maxwell. We have repeated evidence of powerful
friends intervening on Epstein's behalf -- from the interference in the initial investigations back in 2008 to Acosta being told
to back off. Finally, we have the fact that every known Zionist at Unz Review is very concerned to dismiss any possibility of
a connection between Epstein and Israel.
Epstein had access to enormous financial assets -- and only the vaguest explanation of how he came by them. If it wasn't because
he was serving the Zionists, who would you suggest he was serving? Everyone involved is either Jewish, a Zionist, a major advocate
for Israel, or all three. Looking at the evidence, what's your guess
@Colin Wright That Ehud Barak the former
Prime Minister and most decorated soldier in Israel and former head of military intelligence as well is too important in Israel
and its image in American politics for Mossad to allow him to be compromised in way he has been.
Ditto Wexler and especially Dershowitz, who are are not the sort of people who would be involved in actually running a covert
operation anyway. And it was not covert, Epstein himself seems to be the origin of the stories that he was gathering compromising
material on VIPs for the purpose of blackmail . He was a smooth talking trickster, but also a narcissist who wanted the world
to know how clever he was. He was on Edge and hanging out with scientists and Harvard professors, an entre he thought worth
donating six million bucks for. Read his wisdom http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/the-wisdom-of-jeffrey-epsteins-edge-foundation-answers.html
He wanted to be Doc Savage
Doc was physically and mentally trained from birth by his father and a team of scientists to become the perfect human specimen
with a genius level intellect. His heightened senses are beyond comprehension. He can identify a woman's perfume from half
a mile away. He is literally the master of everything.
A year ago Epstein was had got so desperate that rather than be ignored he was dipping in the Kool Aid (a prison slang term
meaning intruding into others' interactions) and willing to be known as a blackmailer of VIPs rather that just a rich guy living
the 24 hour party life dream in his Manhattan mansion.
During our conversation, Mr. Epstein made no secret of his own scandalous past -- he'd pleaded guilty to state charges of
soliciting prostitution from underage girls and was a registered sex offender -- and acknowledged to me that he was a pariah
in polite society. At the same time, he seemed unapologetic. His very notoriety, he said, was what made so many people willing
to confide in him. Everyone, he suggested, has secrets and, he added, compared with his own, they seemed innocuous. People
confided in him without feeling awkward or embarrassed, he claimed.
Stewart said he arranged the meeting to discuss Elon Musk's troubled position at Tesla. The company was facing a scandal
over one of the founder's tweets, and Musk was supposedly consulting with Epstein about the matter; Tesla denies this claim
and Epstein reportedly offered no proof. Epstein also claimed, according to Stewart, that "he'd witnessed prominent tech figures
taking drugs and arranging for sex."
Even if Dershowitz was hanging about for the sex, a Mossad controlled Epstein would not have been allowed to have him there.
Dershowitz was too valuable to Israel as a media pundit for risking him in this. And don't tell me a the Israel Lobby could not
have chilled the story in Miami newspaper (Jewish advertisers) about the deal that got all this blowback on Dershowitz. Trump
has given Israel its most sought after diplomatic coups, and Dershowitz is solid rock solid with Trump and Israel. They would
have protected him. In fact they would have smashed the story to protect Trump because he is being mentioned in every story about
Epstein's activities.
Dershowitz says he has never even met Roberts: 'This is a zero sum game. One of us is committing perjury. I'm going to swear
under oath that I never met her.' . A woman who has sex for money is capable of lying for the same reason. Ransome, the other
woman accusing Dershwitz has now admitted lying about having a sex tape of Trump.
We have repeated evidence of powerful friends intervening on Epstein's behalf
There is no denying that Epstein had the ability to win the confidence of important men and get them to do things for him,
but Wexner and Dershowitz got took by Jeremy. The more evidence comes out, the more convinced I am that he was a confidence trickster
with a smooth line in self aggrandizing bullcrap. When it came down to it he did not have the Israel lobby behind him He got taken
down by a the other year by a reporter for a Miami newspaper , and last month he was crying on the floor of a cockroach
infested jail cell while the correctional officers laughed at him.
Epstein had access to enormous financial assets -- and only the vaguest explanation of how he came by them. If it wasn't
because he was serving the Zionists, who would you suggest he was serving?
Himself. An embezzler not using his ill gotten gains for corrupting young girls would be giving grifters a bad name!
The emails in the court file shows Churcher responded: "Don't forget Alan Dershowitz J.E.'s buddy and lawyer good name for
your pitch." Giuffre's reply [2011] contained no reference to Dershowitz, just a simple, "Thanks again Shazza, I'm bringing
down the house with this book!!"
Jeffery Epstein was not the only one with "intelligence connections" pimping underage girls to the rich and powerful.
The new book by Tom O'Neill, "CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties" , details Manson's
connections to the CIA. Manson's specialty was pimping underage girls to celebrities on the Hollywood party circuit. In spite
of being on federal parole and being repeatedly arrested for egregious violations of the law (sex with underage girls, pimping
underage girls, firearms violations, car theft, drug abuse, drug trafficking), Manson was systematically protected by his CIA
controllers. He and his "family" were often back on the street within hours of being arrested.
CHAOS was an illegal CIA program targeting the American people from 1967 to 1974. (It had counterparts in the FBI COINTELPRO
and the NATO GLADIO programs.) CHAOS was intended to identify, disrupt, and neutralize possible foreign influence on domestic
race, anti-war, and other protest movements. Evidently, Charles Manson played a role in the CIA's attempts to penetrate influential
Hollywood circles opposed to the Vietnam War and/or supporting black radical movements such as the Black Panthers.
Seen in this light, the Tate and LaBianca murders were effective as a "false flag" that discredited the Hippie movement.
As some commentators have concluded:
"The Manson murders sounded the death knell for hippies and all they symbolically represented They closed an era. The 60s,
the decade of love, ended on that night, on 9 August 1969." -- Vincent Bugliosi, 2009
@Steve Sailer Hmm, I have to admit that
is pretty good explanation of Epstein's methods. He pretended to be engaged in regulatory arbitrage (offshore tax dodging) but
he was actually all about social arbitrage (mediating between spheres and apparently establishing a basis for mutual advantage).
He was enabling leadership to span the difference between retail, academicia, law, politics, and punditry, while and introducing
these top people to other big shots gave him extra credibility because they met on his ground. It was all mutually reinforcing,
but the thing was none of these people were qualified to assess him for what he was because he was a finance guy and they were
not. The Wall St people were very suspicious of Epstein because to make serious money in investing you have to be a workaholic
and he never seemed to do anything but party.
I suppose the moral of the story is that when someone has an area of expertise you should trust their gut feeling about any
relevant issue even if they cannot give a logical reason for it. Gigerenzer writes about this and also how formal due diligence
is not a substitute.
Barak: I'm here to find help in solving the Palestinian problem, but I'm cold
@HA I see you are lazy enough to rely on
the doctored Wikipedia and then ask me for links later. Do your own work. Start with Boystown, so you can understand that trafficking
children is common, then Google for Gunderson and McMartin case.
@Steve Sailer Interesting article that shows
why they call it general intelligence, Jewish businessmen not all being sharks that know only balance sheets, some succeed through
being empathetic.
"He didn't understand the numbers," Lewis said. "He's never understood numbers. This is not his strength. This man is a
genius at dressing women. This is a guy who feels what they feel. That's his strength. And I figured that out when I first
met him and I don't know how he got that set up in his brain but in his soul, he has a sense of how people feel when they wear
his clothing. And that's a gift. That's just what it is. Some guys write music, this guy knows how to dress women. He's very,
very talented."
One of the Selachii persuasion. Sandy Lewis gave Wexner a talk that sounds like Stanley Hoff's rant from The Big Knife,
The conversation had been very frank, and at the end, Wexner asked if there was anything else Lewis wanted to say. In fact,
there was, Lewis recalled. "Get your mother out of her office across the hall," Lewis told him. "Why is she there? Does she
help you run this business or is she just a pain in the ass? I'm pretty direct. And I said, Les, I don't have a good feeling
about this, and your sister too . I was being direct. And he knew what I was saying . You're a good guy, I like you. I don't
sense you as a troubled individual but if you keep your mother around here, God knows what that's doing to you. Get her out
of here. Just forget it."
Bill Clinton sent political advisers like James Carville to Israel in 1999 to assist in Ehud Barak's ultimately successful election
campaign. Perhaps the fact that Barak and Clinton were both Epstein's buddies was significant there.
@Sean If Epstein is affiliated with "intelligence",
it would be two intelligence organizations from two different countries, one of which would be the US and the other Israel. Both
work together. No jail hierarchy could compete with that. If they wanted him out and wanted his escape from jail covered up, it
would be no problem. No problem at all. Very few had to know.
They say that where Epstein got his money is a mystery. Steven Hoffenberg said that Epstein was a
"currency manipulator" for the CIA. Lynn Forester (Rothchild) wrote Clinton a letter while he was President, and praised the work
of Epstein in "currency stabilization". Epstein was in fact a math genius. His abilities in this regard would not surprise me.
It is clear that Epstein had powerful friends who were able to strong arm a state and federal prosecutor, and get him out of
an otherwise very long jail sentence, at least 20 years. The Florida case was solid, according to the police who complained bitterly
about what the state prosecutor had done and later the federal prosecutor.. There is no way those prosecutors acted within their
own discretion in doing what they did. NO WAY.
Not to see the hidden hand in all this is ridiculous. This Epstein story being played out in the media is "in your face" contemptuous
of all of us.
"Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants
were released on bail. Detained pedophiles require special attention. Stopping people from harming themselves is difficult.
https://t.co/YK4buPXmR9"
-- Rod Rosenstein (@RodRosenstein) August 10, 2019
A former inmate in that prison said it was impossible for someone to kill himself considering the layout of the cell. In the
past 20 years (and 20k+ prisoners), only one other person has successfully committed suicide in that prison. The only way I could
see it happening is if the cell for suicide watch inmates was different from the one for ordinary inmates (did the latter have
a window or a bunkbed?).
Further, Epstein only possessed pornographic materials relating to other – powerful – people. He was not a pedophile himself.
There was every expectation that he could have cut a deal in exchange for handing over more information on powerful people.
"Pro-tip: if the word "Mossad" is mentioned, it's a conspiracy theory."
-- Ron Bassilian (R) (@Ron4California) August 10, 2019
Mossad has a long history of assassination, including by suffocation. That is not a conspiracy theory:
"Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was an assassination that took place on 19 January 2010, in a hotel room in Dubai. Al-Mabhouh -- a co-founder
of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas -- was wanted by the Israeli government for the kidnapping and
murder of two Israeli soldiers in 1989 as well as purchasing arms from Iran for use in Gaza; these have been cited as a possible
motive for the assassination His assassination attracted international attention in part due to allegations that it was ordered
by the Israeli government and carried out by Mossad agents holding fake or fraudulently obtained passports from several European
countries and Australia. In March 2010, the British foreign secretary, David Miliband, expelled an Israeli diplomat after the
UK's Serious Organised Crime Agency discovered that Israel had forged copies of British passports. On 24 May, the Australian government
expelled an Israeli diplomat after concluding that there was "no doubt Israel was behind the forgery of four Australian passports"
related to the assassination. Similar action was taken by Ireland. Israel has refused to comment on the accusations that its security
forces were behind the assassination."
"psychopaths do not kill themselves never crosses their mind."
Not always true: "Johann 'Jack' Unterweger was an Austrian serial killer who committed murder in several countries After being
convicted of an additional nine murders in 1994, he committed suicide in prison by hanging himself."
Although in Unterweger's case, he only killed himself AFTER conviction. Smooth-talking charismatic psychopaths usually think
they can beat the system until it becomes obvious they cannot. In that light, I'd say Epstein's death is suspicious.
"The Post article said they looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn't become news?"
Probably very few if they couldn't find any evidence of them. The is a NYC newspaper in the heart of the nation's largest city
with impressive access compared to most sources in nearly any red state.
"Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right
parts of the BoP."
The weight of the evidence certainly suggests that he was working for Israel. He had ties to the daughter of a famous Mossad
agent, he met with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak (whom he also had business dealings with in Israel – perfect front to launder
money beyond the reach of American regulators), he was pals with a prominent and deeply-connected Israel-first billionaire Les
Wexner (who is now claiming Epstein swindled him out of up to $500 million – pure BS), his source of income was mysterious and
ill-defined, he had lots of dirt on lots of powerful people in a scam eerily reminiscent of your classic honeypot operation and
former labor secretary Alexander Acosta directly stated that he was told to lay off because Epstein was "intelligence" etc etc
etc.
"But this hyper-competent group lacked the competence to stop him from being charged, or to at least get a heads up and bump
him off outside before he was arrested, or to get him to disappear to Brazil or Paraguay."
Well, they succeeded the first time. If Acosta hadn't personally intervened, the Florida attorneys would have let him off with
nothing. That's why Acosta's office got involved in the first place. Paraphrasing "they wanted no charges [Florida state] and
we thought that was unacceptable". By all accounts, Epstein's interment was unusually light, to the point where one official has
stated that he was surprised they made Epstein do any time at all; Epstein slept there at night and was allowed to leave during
the day to go to his job. Further, Acosta himself was accused of breaking the law in his effort to let Epstein skate – after he
was told to lay off because he's "intelligence" that is. That intelligence is most likely Mossad. There was an obvious cover up
here, and it very nearly succeeded.
@BB753"I see you are lazy enough to
rely on the doctored Wikipedia"
It's at least something. You're so lazy you can't even be bothered to do that -- what does that tell you?To the extent all
this was doctored, it's curious that they had to wait five years while Buckey sat in prison as convicted Satanist pedophile. That
must have been some picnic, but hey, who cares about that, right? We have to think of the children, after all.
"you can understand that trafficking children is common"
What? I don't need convincing that trafficking children happens in shocking numbers, and if you have to start putting words
in my mouth to make your case, what does that tell you about how stupid your case was to begin with? But guess what? -- murder
is common, too. That still doesn't mean that every accused person is guilty, especially if the main witness is mentally ill and
claims the defendant can fly through the air. Are you saying people flying through the air and getting flushed down magical toilets
are a common occurrence too? If so, that would explain the rest of your posts.
If you look at, say, "Operation Cathedral/Wonderland/The Orchid Club", involving over a hundred pedophiles in over a dozen
countries and 1200 victims (there's a plenty long wikipedia page on that, too) you'll find plenty of actual evidence that no one
has since bothered to deny or retract, i.e. evidence that doesn't defy the basic laws of physics. How is it that Wikipedia managed
to keep that up without the Illuminati or the lizard people or Mossad shutting (or whoever) shutting that down?
Lastly, if you actually bothered to read the wikipedia page I linked to, they do have an extensive section on the archaeologist
that the parents hired to try and find the "secret tunnels". He did claim to find something, but the subsequent excavation found
a sewer pipe with stuff dating from the 60's, on top of an undisturbed concrete slab, if I'm reading that correctly. Another source
says that Stickel and Gunderson worked together:
Parents hired former FBI agent Ted L. Gunderson, who worked as a private investigator, and archeologist Gary Stickel to
aid in the dig. Gunderson claimed he found a "subterranean opening, " under one classroom, and another underneath a bathroom.
Gunderson said that the "tunnel" may have been dug by a utility company, according to the news service UPI Investigators had
used sonar trying to detect "soft spots" under the building's foundation, which possibly could indicate hollow areas, according
to the Los Angeles Times. However, no conclusive evidence was ever found at the site. On Aug. 1, 1990, all charges against
Ray Buckey were dismissed after a second jury become deadlocked on eight counts of child molestation against him.
Yeah, real slam dunk argument you got going there. I'm sure in another week or two they would have likewise found the magic
flush-toilets and the secret underground lair where Chuck Norris keeps his pedophile dungeons right next to the records of how
he and Bigfoot killed the Kennedys.
"... See my comment above from a former state prosecutor about the staff at Federal prisons being particularly vulnerable to pressure. He's not convinced that they weren't acting on orders. ..."
"... When Trump was first elected, I tried to calm down friends with advanced TDS, who expected Kristallnacht to be directed at their favorite brunch spots, by saying that "This is what empires in decline look like." ..."
"... My reinterpretation of your comment would be; In this sordid world, people without power have absolutely no value. ..."
"... If he is dead, one reasonable assumption might be that his brother is trustee of his estate, yet no one approaches him. Many claim E was filming people for blackmail, but seems to be a mere assertion. No one talks to Acosta. ..."
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Jeffrey Epstein's Death, Critical Thinking, and the Decline of Reporting Posted on
August 14, 2019 by Yves Smith It's ironic to hear the FBI
whinge about conspiracy theories as a danger to public safety, yet see the officialdom, and
even the press, handle the untimely death of Jeffrey Epstein in a manner almost guaranteed to
maximize salacious interest and speculation.
The reason we are straying from our normal topics of interest to discuss Epstein is that the
overarching mission of this website is to promote critical thinking. If you've been paying
attention to news, it too often feels as if you've entered an informational hall of mirrors.
Not only is the spin so heavy that it takes careful reading to separate information from
innuendo, but with the rise in social media, the reaction to a news story often overwhelm the
underlying event. For instance, witness the consternation about Bernie Sanders making a
reasonable observation about the Washington Post's coverage of his campaign, that it's biased
against him and Jeff Bezos' ownership of the Post might have something to do with that. The
indignant howls were a reminder of where the class interests of the press now lie.
With Epstein's apparent suicide, it's striking how none of the responsible adults have
attempted to manage the press. Normally, in no less than 36 hours after an event like this,
Someone Official holds a press conference. Even if they wind up saying almost nothing
substantive, they make solemn reassurances about They Will Get to the Bottom of Things, and
better yet, with some detail about the process ("The autopsy will be conducted by the office of
X. We expect to receive a report by Y date, and to make key details public by Z date.") Why
hasn't a such a basic move happened? It certainly suggests that the DoJ was caught with its
pants down, and perhaps also that there has been serious turf war among the parties responsible
for Epstein's custody. (Attorney General William Barr
did make some brief comments on the Epstein matter at a previously scheduled "law enforcement
conference" in New Orleans ).
There are more anomalies that reflect poorly on the caliber of reporting on this case, and
we'll highlight a few in the hopes that readers will discuss others. The coverage has had an
epic level of opinion and fluff at the expense o gumshoe work to get at facts. Here it is, four
days after Epstein's demise, and there's no timeline, no schematic of the prison, no details
about what his cell was like. The closest we have is a single-source story from the New York
Post, from a former inmate in the very same "9 South" cellblock for high-profile cases. This
account curiously did not appear to lead to further investigation of these claims by Post or
other venues. They should be verifiable or debunkable with interviews of other former inmates
or guards, or alternatively, the slower route of FOIAs on the prison's design and policies.
Key parts of the August 10 article , which ran less than 12 hours after the time Epstein
was found unresponsive in his cell:
There's no way that man could have killed himself. I've done too much time in those units.
It's an impossibility.
Between the floor and the ceiling is like 8 or 9 feet. There's no way for you to connect
to anything.
You have sheets, but they're paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds -- it would
never happen .
Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There's a steel frame, but you can't move it.
There's no light fixture. There's no bars.
They don't give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death.
You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of
paper.
Nothing hard or made of metal.
This source also said those cells had one or two occupants, and he was skeptical of the idea
that a guy like Epstein would have been housed with anyone else. So if this account is
accurate, it makes the idea of taking Epstein off suicide watch seem like less of a stretch
because there weren't suicide makings in a regular cell or with regular prison garb. But the
lack of camera monitoring of the cell proper ( reported
by the Post ) lends itself to speculation about alternative scenarios like the prison
version of assisted suicide.
It's important to be skeptical of single sourced accounts, as well as recognizing that more
detailed accounts are seen as more credible, so the Post example is particularly appealing. But
where are the other accounts? Why the lack of press probing into the routines for that prison?
Has the New York Times abandoned its tradition of having reporters start out on the Metro Desk,
doing gumshoe work on things like fires and babies in dumpsters?
Another striking anomaly came when the New York Times reported that one of the two Epstein
guards was a temp assigned from another job at the facility. The Times had earlier reported on
this practice as a response to under-staffing:
One of the two people guarding Jeffrey Epstein when he apparently hanged himself in a
federal jail cell was not a full-fledged correctional officer, and neither guard had checked
on Mr. Epstein for several hours before he was discovered, prison and law-enforcement
officials said .
No correctional officer had checked on Mr. Epstein for several hours before he was found,
even though guards were supposed to look in on prisoners in the protective unit where he was
housed every half-hour
This story has a single source reporting that Epstein hung himself with a bedsheet.
This is fine as far as it goes, but it is awfully thin gruel relative to the questions
swirling over the weekend, like why the apparent considerable gap of time (by the standards of
emergencies) between when Epstein was found and
when he was wheeled into to the hospital an hour later ? 1
And then there's the bizarre show of the raid on Epstein's island. Was that displacement
activity? If it was an important target, why after he was dead and not earlier?
This is a long-winded way of saying that I hope readers will identify other issues with what
the public knows and doesn't know about Epstein's death, with attention to the caliber of the
information behind what the press has reported and where there are gaps. If the government
wants to put paid to some of the wilder theories, like Epstein's death was a Mossad rendition
(either on site or via extraction), coughing up more information would be a good place to
start.
____
1 I am putting this in a footnote due to its speculative nature. A colleague who
claims to know the operation of the Downtown Hospital says emergency arrivals never go in this
way. The ambulance backs up and the gurney is hauled out and there's no vantage point for a
shot like this one. The prominent signs would make one think this contact has it wrong, so I
will leave this for any readers familiar with this facility to pipe up.
As you suggest, the lack of real reportage is striking – it seems very few
journalists seem to know how to actually report stories anymore. Last year I read Seymour
Hersh's great memoir 'Reporter'. While its clear from what he said there was no true 'Golden
Age' for reporters – there was always interference – it seems the balance has
fundamentally changed to managers, not reporters in media outlets pretty much everywhere. The
fact that Hersh himself has been confined to fringe publications says all you really need to
know. 30 years ago Hersh or one of his contemporaries would be all over this story and
worming out every possible morsel of information.
I was watching a clip on Joe Rogan yesterday and he mentioned how one of his arch sceptic
friend was dismissive of any kind of 'conspiracy theory' for Epsteins death. 'Paedo commits
suicide before trial' is hardly news. But to go to our old friend, Occams Razor, this is
really one case where a convoluted murder of some type actually makes far more sense than a
story of suicide. His death is just too convenient and the apparent sloppiness of the prison
authorities makes no sense for such a very high profile prisoner.
In descending order of "least helpful to a whole lot of people", we have four possible
states for Epstein:
1) Dead -- through a genuine suicide
2) Dead -- through some sort of foul play (that will need to be kept covered up, but at
least that's only a one-time event so isn't a dynamic and unpredictable situation)
3) Alive, still, but earmarked for being killed later once some ulterior purpose has been
served such as information obtained -- but why not do this in the Metropolitan Correctional
Center (or move him to another facility such as a "hospital") first, why such a
ridiculously convoluted and thereby risky subterfuge?
4) Alive with an intention of keeping him that way, but having to be kept -- permanently,
with virtually limitless possibilities for discovery -- out of sight in a perpetual
conspiracy.
Going back to the original request in the post -- critical thinking skills need to be
applied. What you're suggesting doesn't make sense on anything than a "god awful cock up"
basis and even then, an elimination-then-clean-up operation would soon have been put into
action. To put it more succinctly, even if he was alive, he'd be dead now.
The argument for Epstein still being alive is that he would have set up a dead-man switch,
a mechanism so that if he dies then the evidence he has on others is automatically published.
Seems like a reasonable precaution to take.
If that's the case then the conspirators that need to prevent the evidence becoming public
need to stop the trial and prevent his death. Hence the idea that they staged an
apparent suicide with a body double and got Epstein safely outta there.
Then you get a tame judge assigned (and that's nothing new, even Johnny Carson used to
joke "do you know how bad the economy is these days?" [sidekick] "no, Johnny, just how bad is
the economy?" "it's so bad, organised crime has had to lay off 5 judges this week ") to let
Epstein off with a slap on the wrist, a year at the Four Seasons low security penitentiary
and early release through time served.
Much simpler than any of the other notions and achieves exactly the same result (Epstein
is subject to "the full force of the law" but stays happily alive to tell the tale and keep
his finger off the Dead Mans Switch).
If you were in charge of all this, which solution would you try first? If you've ever
worked in a big, but incompetent, organisation (and if they're big, they're almost certainly
going to be incompetence personified), you wouldn't even need to ask yourself that
question.
Then you get a tame judge assigned (and that's nothing new, even Johnny Carson used to
joke "do you know how bad the economy is these days?" [sidekick] "no, Johnny, just how bad is
the economy?" "it's so bad, organised crime has had to lay off 5 judges this week ") to let
Epstein off with a slap on the wrist, a year at the Four Seasons low security penitentiary
and early release through time served.
Much simpler than any of the other notions and achieves exactly the same result (Epstein
is subject to "the full force of the law" but stays happily alive to tell the tale and keep
his finger off the Dead Mans Switch).
If you were in charge of all this, which solution would you try first? If you've ever
worked in a big, but incompetent, organisation (and if they're big, they're almost certainly
going to be incompetence personified), you wouldn't even need to ask yourself that
question.
Tame judge would be the best option were it available. I don't think it was. That wasn't
going to work again. If a judicial process were to proceed it would need to be seen to be a
proper trial.
Someone's never heard of Xavier Becerra. And he's not that bad, considering some of
the others operating in the US. As for " [if a] judicial process were to proceed it would
need to be seen to be a proper trial " I wish I could share your sense of optimism -- most
casual observers would be happy to have seen Epstein paraded around in an orange jumpsuit and
being manhandled by the cops on the steps of the courtroom, besieged by, ah-hem, "the press".
Once out the limelight and following his (second) 15 minutes of infamy, few would have cared
about the inner workings of any trial, the sentence or what happened after any (inevitably
early) release.
Incidentally and unrelated, but I can't help to mention it, simply because Becerra's a
moment ago had the temerity to tweet "I've got the backs of the people of California", to
which I can only retort: yes, that's just so you can knife them in it.
How can the conspirators keep the information from becoming public? The prosecutors have
over a million pages of documents. It is not inconceivable that Congresscritters could demand
that that be handed over to the private plaintiffs suing his estate. Or they could discover
it independently, admittedly at their cost.
There is one scenario in which "Epstein was extracted and still alive" makes sense, which
is if he had a dead man's switch somewhere that would dump all the incriminating information
on the doorstep of every major media outlet if he died. In that case, whoever extracted him
would want him alive to prevent the dead man's switch from being activated while removing the
possibility of the case going to trial.
Epstein and Maxwell were running a sophisticated blackmail operation targeting the most
powerful people in the Western world. If this *was* a Mossad operation, and he an operative,
then they would have motive to try to extract and relocate him, probably to Israel or South
America, under a new identity. You can't easily recruit future deep cover agents if you leave
somebody like Epstein hanging out to dry.
Not saying this is what happened. I have no idea what happened.
Also PKMKII raises another possibility that is just as likely. Though I think Epstein was
clearly linked with Mossad / CIA in some way.
Adding to Yves' post above, How come no journalist has asked Acosta to clarify or expound
upon what he meant by saying that he could not prosecute Epstein because "he belonged to
intelligence". That's pretty explicit right there.
epstein was in Europe. He was arrested at the airport upon his return to the u.s. Five
weeks later he's dead. Chaos ensues.
If someone wanted to disappear/kill him, wouldn't it be less messy and noisy to do it from
there?
What I'd like to know is why he came back in the first place. What was he expecting (or
not expecting)? The feds met him at the airport and he never saw the light of day after that.
Didn't I read that, upon seeing the authorities at the airport, he tried to jump back on the
plane before surrendering?
I'd like to see someone go to Paris and interview whoever he was hanging out with there to
find out what was going on.
I did not read about Epstein jumping back on the plane.
I think it very probable that he knew in advance he was going to be arrested. See the
history of the prior trial for precedent.
Why did the Feds arrest him now? Maybe to distract from the media scandal surrounding his
earlier deal? To save face etc?
That is the most prosaic answer I think. Certainly there didn't seem to be any real
urgency about him until the details of his prior deal and the subsequent civil lawsuit were
made known.
Maybe the question should be: who met him at the plane?
This sounds like a b-movie based on The Broker by Grisham and sub-plots from varius other
authors, Furst, Kerr et al.
Maybe not far fetched, all good novels seem to have a fact to hang the plot on.
I'd like to see somebody, anybody, tell me the truth !! I would NEVER believe any person
even remotely connected to this government, least of all, Billy Barr. We are experiencing
rampant corruption in this government so the constant pointing at Bill Clinton is very
curious eh ? If and when we ever do get to find the truth, it will not be from anyone
connected to this nefarious character. I'll trust an inmate first, then demand a rebuttal
from another inmate.
The NY Times described the data on the flight manifests as something reported by Fox News,
as though it were unreliable gossip not fact. Maxwell's presence at Chelsea's wedding also
goes unmentioned. The coverup seems to be aimed at protecting the Clintons.
The Clintons aren't in power. Meanwhile we have photos and video of the current POTUS
partying with Epstein and documentation of them throwing parties with multiple women at Mar a
Lago.
*Sigh* We linked to Ilargi on the extent of the Trump-Epstein connection. Very thin, and
also stale. It should be noted that Epstein started procuring younger women as he got
older.
Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan's prestigious Dalton School
that gave Epstein his first access to the elite. From reports Epstein seemed unqualified for
the position. This seems puzzling. AG Barr previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law
firm that represented Epstein during the Florida investigation. Acosta was the prosecuting
attorney in that case.
The AG's office has announced that Barr will recuse himself from the Acosta investigation but
not from the Epstein investigation. This seems very puzzling as Barr has only a distant
professional association with Acosta but both professional and personal association with
Epstein.
My dad was in Russia (Sakhalin island) for a year or two for work around 1999. It turned
out that his Russian interpreter was a friend of my co-workers' husband. The husband and the
interpreter had met when the husband was in Viet Nam (if I recall the country correctly)
during the Reagan era.
All of us (me, my Dad, the couple) are just your standard issue white caucasians here in
the US.
According to what I read on this site, Epstein gave Dalton the impression he had studied
at Stanford. He was hired something like a month before Donald Barr resigned (or was fired),
during a chaotic period when they were short of teachers, and did most of his teaching after
Barr had left (I don't have the exact dates). In anycase, the connection is not as clear as
it might appear. Epstein seems to have been more popular with the parents than with the other
teachers. It certainly is suggestive, though, that Barr wrote that Science Fiction book
featuring sex slaves.
It was reported in Vanity Fair that Epstein confessed to his sponsor at Bear Stearns,
Michael Tennenbaum (who was a heavyweight at Bear) that he'd lied about his CV, that he never
went to Stanford as he claimed.
That makes it seem probable that Epstein also lied to Dalton about his credentials.
How come no journalist has asked Acosta to clarify or expound upon what he meant by
saying that he could not prosecute Epstein because "he belonged to intelligence".
Also, who was it, exactly, that told Acosta, Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and was
"above his [Acosta's] paygrade," and why did Acosta listen to them?
A guy like Acosta has bosses. I had taken the intelligence claim as one of the few things
someone higher up could say to Acosta to get him to stand down that Acosta could not
challenge.
There are also tons of people who are deemed to be "intelligence assets" who aren't in the
employ of a spy organization but do occasional helpful things, like tell a spook too much
about what is going on at their employer. So this is hardly black and white.
Epstein had started talking to an author a year ago, according the the Rolling Stone story
in today's links:
What is known is that with his stash of mystery money he built a wired-up sybaritic
paradise for horny powerful men, stocked with sexually groomed young girls and women. He
then became a keeper of their secrets, as he bragged to author James B. Stewart last
year. "The overriding impression I took away from our roughly 90-minute conversation was
that Mr. Epstein knew an astonishing number of rich, famous and powerful people, and had
photos to prove it," Stewart wrote in the New York Times. "He also claimed to know a great
deal about these people, some of it potentially damaging or embarrassing, including details
about their supposed sexual proclivities and recreational drug use."
Bragging about knowing the secrets of the powerful . Was he becoming unreliable? Dead men
tell no tails, as the saying goes. This is speculation on my part.
Further to the Rolling Stone link about Ghislaine Maxwell, one wonders if Australian and
British taxpayer money donated to the Clinton Foundation was used to fund projects the
Clinton and Ghislaine Maxwell foundations ran together until the latter's Terra Mar
Foundation was wound up.
British journalists I have spoken to are reluctant to investigate as they fear the Clinton
machine and / or want to ingratiate themselves on the related circuit.
That Epstein and his lawyers claimed (as part of his defense in 2008) to have been
responsible for helping to set up the Clinton Global Initiative and to have contributed seed
money to it, along with his setting up "charitable" foundations for other prominent
billionaires is surprisingly absent from recent official accounts. Does anyone know any more
about this?
How reliable is a guy who names his flying rape crib the Lolita Express? Epstein seemingly
has made a successful career of criminal behaviour because much of society is deeply
corrupt.
As we watch the Bilderbergers and Davos men and women in action I can't help but think of the
joke about the aristocrats.
Ha! Schrödinger's pimp! You don't know if you're going to get lucky until you see the
body and make a positive ID through dental records or DNA testing. Or something.
With the all powerful connections that would have to be employed to do such a "fake
death," why wouldn't they have used those connections to prevent, from behind the scenes, the
resurgence of charges? He already had the sweet heart deal. It would have been out of the
limelight to force the continuation of that deal.
Of the theories floating around that one is my favourite. Next one might be about why his
place was searched only after his death – flying there with the search-team might be a
good way of transporting him to his island .
I'm not sure why Epstein returned to the US, possibly some very big miscalculations about
where he'd be held if he even considered the risk of being arrested. So far the story is that
he voluntarily returned to the US where he then was arrested (surprisingly?) and then he
committed suicide.
Based on his history then I don't see him as dumb nor do I see him as anything but a
(somewhat dirty) fighter and survivor.
You're half way there. The return and arrest was part of the process of eliminating the
"Jeffrey Epstein" asset, who had served his purposes and was to be retired. The whole arrest,
imprisonment, and suicide shtick was an elaborate ruse to establish that Jeffrey Epstein is
no more, RIP, we barely knew ye. From there, he could have been spirited back to Lolita
Island as part of the raid, or that could have just been more storyboarding in support of the
larger ruse, either way the real Jeffrey Epstein (will you please stand up!) was whisked away
to have plastic surgery and a new identity established (if there wasn't one waiting already)
and a new life elsewhere as a well remunerated kept man for the rest of his days. He was of
course a CIA/MI6/Mossad operative for all of his days thus far, so that's for life and will
never change, although his activity level will probably decrease considerably from here on
out. In the end, Epstein was little more than a small cog – albeit a vitally important
one – in a much larger intelligence gathering and sting operation, as compromise is
what makes the world go 'round in DC and international politics. Job well done Jeffrey!
Robert Maxwell also died under strange circumstances. Found floating next to his yacht.
Not to be too ghoulish, but I'd like to see a few official photos of the dead Mr. Epstein. He
had such a distinctive, long, bony face it would be hard to find a convincing
doppleganger.
James, this is my tinfoil belief also – the question as to why he returned to the
U.S. has never been asked (by the lamestream press) – much less answered. With all his
powerful connections, surely someone could have tipped him off as to what was waiting for
him. But, what if this was all part of the plan -to get arrested, thrown in jail, and then
"commit suicide" – it all kind of fits to me. When I read the FBI raided his Virgin
Island property, I thought the FBI probably flew him back there. Why raid the place now
– it could have been done years ago.
The narrative we're asked to believe defies credulity. It's as if it's being made up as
something new every day. Also, why has it taken so long to get the autopsy results? If he
hanged himself, it would seem that the hanging evidence would be evident. Maybe they're
waiting for a "tox screen" which takes about 6 weeks. Conspiracy theories will flourish until
believable, evidential, material presents itself. I won't hold my breath..
"Lack of real reportage" is not really accurate. Julie K. Brown of the Miami Herald
has doggedly pursued this since the 2008 sham plea deal. Conchita Sarnoff is an investigative
journalist who wrote a book on epstein called TrafficKing , and recently called
bullshit on bill clinton's claim to "only" have taken four flights on the Lolita Express. And
of course there's Whitney Webb.
There's plenty of "real reportage," just not in what's generally considered "mainstream"
media, which, as with Russiagate, defines and controls the narrative parameters. This just
makes it easier to characterize inconvenient info that happens to slip out as "conspiracy
theory," muddying the waters until control can be regained or public attention refocused.
And "refocusing" is what's in the process of happening right now. Rather than interviewing
Julie Brown or Conchita Sarnoff or Whitney Webb non-stop about what epstein and the rest
actually did in full view of TPTB, we're now being told that the issue really is overworked,
"sleeping" guards and other "irregularities" at the prison leading to a suicide.
This just makes it easier to characterize inconvenient info that happens to slip out as
"conspiracy theory," muddying the waters until control can be regained or public attention
refocused.
Good point. Ray McGovern in a Consortium News article makes the same point re reporting
about the Seth Rich murder:
"Conspiracy Theorists
"Simply letting the name "Seth Rich" pass your lips can condemn you to the leper colony
built by the Washington Establishment for "conspiracy theorists," (the term regularly
applied to someone determined to seek tangible evidence, and who is open to alternatives
[explainations] to "Russia-did-it.")
"That epithet has a sordid history in the annals of U.S. intelligence. Legendary CIA
Director Allen Dulles used the "brand-them-conspiracy-theorists" ploy following the
assassination of President John F. Kennedy when many objected -- understandably -- to letting
him pretty much run the Warren Commission , . The "conspiracy theorist" tactic worked like a
charm then, and now. Well, up until just now."
Just to clarify, when I said 'lack of real reportage' I was referring to Epsteins death,
not the previous allegations against him. The key point is that the media seem content to sit
back and comment, rather than do real work in investigating the death (although to be fair,
its early days, so maybe some stories will be dug up).
But even then, the fact that only a handful of brave journalists went after Epstein,
despite it being such a big juicy story is telling. Brown was reported as saying her police
contacts were tired of telling journalists about Epstein, every story seemed to get
buried.
Below is original NY Post editorial comment with photo, and further reference to several
challenges to authenticity of the photo and the whole suicide story.
Dubious sources perhaps, but looks like the NYPost photo is definitely a phony.
If Epstein was, in fact, intel agent for Mossad, not so far-fetched they (with help) would
have liberated him with suicide cover story.
Totally agree. A man who appeared to run a photo agency for politicians and their young
"girlfriends" (?) is likely to have had exactly the right "currency" on hand to obtain
leniency. He certainly did the first time he was brought to justice to "answer" for his
crimes.
this is 100% speculation, but what if it was a sex thing? He was prolly a sex addict,
maybe he needed to strangle himself or whatever to get off and the guards let him cause they
were tired of watching him masturbating all day or whatever
i know it sounds like a joke but im serious.. would explain the previous incident from
weeks earlier too
I haven't ddg'd for links to support this, but I recall that 20-30 years ago,more than one
British MP accidentally became dead just this way. It's not a joke.
The British MP you refer to was Stephen Milligan. There are various 'conspiracy theories'
that Milligan was murdered by MI6, and that a calling card of British intelligence murders is
dressing the victim to appear to have engaged in some sex game gone wrong.
In a cell designed to prevent suicide, with paper-like sheets, and no way to reach the
ceiling which had nothing to tie anything to, he accidentally found a way while trying to
pleasure himself?
Tried to add a couple links to two recent episodes of Chapo Trap House, which take deep
dives into this Epstein affair. Probably censored out again, as ALL of my posts here are. Not
even sure why I bother anymore
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I don't think it would be possible to avoid the civil suits, there are too many victims
out there, any of whom could decide to get a lawyer and start a case at any time.
I don't think the idea that Mossad could have been involved in Epstein's death to be that
crazy. Epstein had connections to Israel, and I believe there were Israeli men on some of his
"Lolita express" junkets.
The lack of reporting is indeed striking, the lid is definitely being kept on this it
would seem. Nor is it a stretch that he was an intelligence asset, either for the US or
Israel, or both. Having dirt on powerful people is the best way to control them. Why would
elites want a politician that they couldn't control? It's not like it hasn't been done before
the J. Edgar Hoover school of operations.
From here the official responses appear to be designed to confuse and to muddle the facts.
As far as the FBI raid on Mr. Epstein's island, I expect this is to clean up loose ends. And
of course the FBI will use the standard play book – "We never comment on an ongoing
investigation." This is of course a lie or a commonly used deflection. This tactic often used
by the FBI to cover up or to hide embarassing evidence.
Here are some possible avenues –
1) Mr. Acosta and his team of DOJ lawyers could be disbarred since the Florida office of
the DOJ violated federal law in not reporting the terms of the settlement to the victims. A
Federal judge clearly mentioned that Mr. Acosta violated the law. This is a felony. Note that
any ordinary citizen can file a complaint with the Florida Bar.
2) An argument can be made that since the DOJ team broke Federal law that the terms of the
settlement are null and void. It follows that the immunity from prosecution agreement is null
and void. This means that the folks that received immunity could be prosecuted.
3) The FAA should revoke the pilot licenses of the pilots of the Mr. Epstein's aircraft since
the pilots broke the Mann Act knowingly and repeatedly.
What will really happen –
Expect the waters will continue to be muddied and muddled. And no one least of all the
victims will see an end to this case. Instead it will be left to stink and rot in some
forgotten corner.
One of the more chilling comments I've heard a few days ago was in regards to the victims
and accusers of Epstein and his elite pervert friends. Basically: are any of them in danger,
too? Anyone following this disgusting tale understands that that isn't a far-fetched idea.
Just look at all the activists in Ferguson, MO who have all been "mysteriously" found dead of
late and that's a pretty small-scale story in comparison.
I would guess that the murders (which is likely what they are) of activists in Ferguson
may have been committed by local police. Whoever is killing those people has a good
understanding of rules of evidence. One activist was burned to death in his car as I recall.
I haven't seen where any journalist has been investigating or attempting to link any of those
deaths, does anyone have any links to anything like that?
The reporting pushes the idea that Acosta was turfed out for the Epstein deal. I'd say he
was turfed in for it. He got turfed out for being quoted that he was told Epstein 'belonged
to intelligence.'
Acosta had two explanations for not contacting the victims about the settlement. Both were
good ones, IMO. One was that the state scheduled the signing on a Monday after the agreement
was reached on Thursday or Friday. This left little time, and the timing was of the signing
was not necessarily up to the Feds. They didn't want Epstein to balk at signing the deal, and
that was a risk if they gave him more time. His lawyers had walked away many times during the
process.
The other explanation was that, if Acosta had informed the victims about the full
settlement, which included extensive and unusual means for the victims to pursue monetary
redress from Epstein, means that were 'fast tracked' by eliminating many of Epstein's
potential legal and procedural defenses, then, had Epstein balked at the deal at the last
moment, Epstein would have had an important tool in his arsenal at trial: he could claim that
the victims were motivated by potential monetary gain. This seems to me to be a better
explanation than the 'uncertainty about who's in charge' explanation.
Yeah but Acosta was required by Federal law to contact the victims.
He did not do so. This was noted by a Federal judge.
This appears to be a Felony.
Felonies in Florida can be grounds for disbarment.
It makes no difference if Epstein was balking or if the victims were after the cash. Or if
it was better to sign of a Friday or any other day of the week.
> attention to the caliber of the information behind what the press has reported and
where there are gaps
It's been too long to remember when Epstein first popped up on my radar, but his Bill
Clinton connection is what resonated. (I've hated Bill since he tried to eviscerate the EPA
three months before I got my environmental science degree.) Three notes on reporting:
: I first saw the link with Epstein, Wexner, and Mossad on a video by Anonymous, but did
not repost it here based on the journalistic standards Yves demanded. The video was excellent
on the facts I knew, with no false accusations. The Wexner & Maxwell linkage to Mossad
snapped the whole story into focus. However. I still haven't seen any source more reliable
than MintPress on this, but NC is my filter so I'm not looking hard.
: James Patterson wrote a book on Epstein, published in 2017, that mysteriously left the
well-documented Clinton rides on the Lolita Express out. In 2018 Patterson published a book
co-authored with Clinton. Follow the money.
: That Ghislaine is Robert Maxwell's daughter looks like it's being scrubbed thus far. We
shall see.
:: Addendum: mea culpa, in a previous comment I said Marvin Minsky was at Harvard. In
fact, he was employed by MIT.
"I had a choice. I could be an insider or I could be an outsider. Outsiders can say
whatever they want. But people on the inside don't listen to them. Insiders, however, get
lots of access and a chance to push their ideas. People -- powerful people -- listen to what
they have to say. But insiders also understand one unbreakable rule: They don't criticize
other insiders."
Elizabeth Warren, reporting what former Harvard President Larry Summers told her.
There's a reason the name wasn't sullied. This is the curtain being pulled back.
"Epstein donated millions to the University. He funded the construction of a campus
building. He cultivated cozy friendships with top Harvard brass including a former University
president. And he forged close personal and professional ties to Alan M. Dershowitz."
"Professor Ron Sullivan was stripped of a residential deanship by Harvard for agreeing to
represent Harvey Weinstein, but they're keeping Epstein's money."
Epstein's little brother Mark mugged Cooper Union school for science and art, raising
tuition from Free to $43,000 per year, following its "own financial crisis."
Even if there isn't one, yet, Maxwell may have a significant role in the 2,000 pages of
documents that Julie Brown reported were expected to be unsealed this month:
I read she turned evidence, which if correct means she got immunity. But she could be sued
along with the Epstein's estate for having procured for him.
Other commenters have chimed in with links to "reputable" reporting on the story. There
are some podcasts that seem to be aggregating this reporting, both in the podcasts proper and
their related Twitter accounts. TrueAnon is the main one I'm aware of that seems to be
following the Epstein story in a verifiable way -- they may speculate occasionally but it's
based on fact. QAnon Anonymous has also done an Epstein episode and seems to be pretty good.
I'm not an expert on this story but the podcasts I listened to seemed reasonable. There are
many other "news" sources that engage in total imagination and delusion (possibly
intentional?) so it's good to listen with a peaked ear.
If you want an indication of how the reporting of the Epstein alleged suicide will develop
over the coming months then look no further than the 'reporting' of the alleged Salisbury
Skripal nerve agent poisoning.
Government & Metropolitan Police timelines changed quietly and then disappeared with
no press comment, local knowledge is ignored, CCTV present but never shown, medical processes
never queried, let alone explained. New 'evidence' that contradicts previous statements by
Theresa May & Boris Johnson is reported without reference to their previous assertions to
Parliament (misleading the House used to be a big thing over here).
We've already had the 'coincidence' of the broken camera in New York, but it'll take a
little more for this case to trump the Skripal one where the nurse who just happend to be
passing turned out months later to be not just a nurse, but an army nurse, and not just any
army nurse, but the most senior nurse in the whole of the UK armed forces. What fun.
This is a post on critical thinking and you are contributing to the problem. One of the
points of bothering to put up this post was to encourage readers to be exacting about
information and sourcing.
The camera was not "broken" per the NY Post article that first reported that there was no
video of his death. Epstein was in a cell where the cameras were not set up to record inside
the cell:
Although there are cameras in the 9 South wing where the convicted pedophile was being
held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they are trained on the areas outside the
cells and not inside, according to sources familiar with the setup there.
Quite right Yves! I stand corrected and happy to be so. I should have checked my sources
and not relied on the impression from a series of early reports.
My point stands regarding how this is likely to develop though – it's been amazing
from here in the UK just how compliant our media has been in accepting, purveying and then
defending the accepted (ie. Government) Skripal narrative (about which I am very much better
informed).
I hope you continue to cover the Epstiein case (even just in Links & WaterCooler) as I
fear that there are all too few ready to offer your (and your commentors) level of informed
analysis.
"according to sources familiar with the setup there.."
Even this is weird! What sources?! And why must they go unnamed?! In what possible world
is the objective and easily verified layout of a federal penitentiary something that must be
discussed in hushed tones?!
Anyway, it does not make any sense to me that monitoring cameras within a federal
penitentiary would not be able to record any activity within the cells but only in the
hallway outside them, but what do I know? I am perfectly willing to be instructed otherwise
by somebody who knows and understands this practice. But that is precisely what is *not*
happening.
It doesn't take a ligature of great strength or the pressure on the neck of one's full
body weight to cause death by carotid artery compression. This method has the added advantage
of being less painful and, if done properly, less likely to induce panic associated with
airway blockage. Don't try this at home, kids.
3.2 to 5 kg[1][2]( or 6 kg[3] or 10 kg[4]) necessary for closing the carotid
arteries;
2 kg necessary for closing the jugular veins;
15 kg necessary for the compression of the airway: this is painful.
"What this means, practically speaking, is that someone who wants – or wants to avoid
– a lethal result should be aware that full suspension is quite unnecessary. Death
will occur after only a few pounds of pressure on a neck ligature; a sitting or
semi-reclining position is sufficient." -- excerpt from Geo Stone's book. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Ligature_strangulation
The claim by the former MCC inmate at the top of the post is that the standard issue
sheets in his cell would not take Epstein's body weight, that they'd tear.
Epstein was in a cell where the cameras were not set up to record inside the
cell
Then we must ask whether there were cells elsewhere in the jail where there were cameras
to keep an eye on the inmates. If so, why was he not assigned to such a cell?
The Times included a few paragraphs in its coverage under the heading, "Is it even him?
Suicide sceptics smell a rat", with a small picture highlighting rather obvious differences
between the face of the dead person wheeled out of hospital and Epstein's face (notably the
shape of the nose and the helix of the left ear).
Unfortunately, the paragraphs themselves contained no discussion whatsoever on the "Is it
even him?" question, or the differences highlighted in the picture. No attempt to explain. No
coroner or other medical expert consulted. Nothing.
1. There was a graphic of Epstein's prison cell that ran in earlier stories before his
death but seems to not have been in the media since, except for this story today:
So I would think (though no reporter has said it) that there must be a way to confirm how
a suicide could be carried out in this kind of cell. But why isn't any reporter going to the
MCC SHU to see an empty cell similar to the one Epstein was in? Wouldn't this be the first
thing a decent journo would think of? It would sure help sort some things out.
2. CBS News ran a story that mentioned "shrieking and shouting" coming from Epstein's cell
but didn't tie it to the guards who "attempted to revive him"
It looks like the buildings might have been connected by tunnels but that's just my
hypothesis from the small building cropping out from the side of a hill.
Perhaps enough details will come out for one coherent explanation to appear.
But the Post story reported that Epstein hung himself from a bunk bed -- which is
definitely not what appears in the diagrams of cells offered in the Daily Mail and El Chapo
stories. And since he had a cellmate at one point (presumably in the same cell), a bunk bed
would make sense.
Again, just a fuzzy detail that someone needs to resolve?
The paucity of facts, the quality of reporting, the consistency of that (lack of) quality,
the credulity required in some of the "official" explanations/reports such as that one of the
most high profile sex offender cases ever brought to to trial was handled with the principal
charged offender un-monitored due to under funding and sleepy guards, or the well established
fact (beyond the ability of the media to obscure) that this case involved other very highly
placed and powerful individuals who potentially stood to be utterly ruined if not imprisoned
themselves by the ensuing discovery and inescapably highly public scrutiny the case would
generate; this indicates to me that, at the very least, there is a high degree of doubt that
the official story of suicide is factual, or for that matter, that anything one hears from
the main stream media is factual except by accident, incompetence, or the fact that even the
time tested over generations and highly conditioned American manufactured ideologically based
credulity actually does have limits, so for instance, they can't easily say that Martians
came down and hypnotized the guards.
The Implementation of procedure for attorneys seeing their clients and over worked staff
was so lax for years such that it wouldn't be very difficult to smuggle in something to off
Epstein, for the right price. I guess that the price was right with a deep pocket able to
front the offshore cash.
Am I correct, or have I not been paying attention, of the result of the initial possible
suicide incident, in that it has not become publicly clear as to whether it was indeed
attempted suicide or whether there was an attack of sorts. Was there any resolution to the
found in fetal position with marks on neck bizzo as to what actually transpired? It is kind
of important that this first incident which should have been easy to clarify (since the now
deceased was alive enough to present his take on the matter) would naturally point to how the
final death event may have occurred. Real mystery is that the first incident would have
required a more serious and prolonged effort to protect the deceased from either killing self
or being snuffed out. And it should have been clear as to what event one would have to
prevent. Instead we get this total BS situation. This is pretty typical and we are so used to
having poor stories of events that do not resolve and then are overtaken by subsequent events
that are also unconvincing as to clarity.
I was thinking the same thing. That initial report of Epstein's injury/suicide attempt
included language like "nearly unconscious," "curled in a fetal position" and "bruising
around the neck" -- all fairly alarming descriptions. And yet after reports that Epstein had
been whisked off to the hospital for treatment/ observation, the story just dropped off the
radar completely. I may have missed it, but I don't remember seeing any kind of offical
explanation about what had actually happened. Weird.
An attack of true gospel "Tinn Hatt Thinkin" here.
Could a body double of Epstein have been brought back to the cell from the prison hospital
after the first "suicide" attempt and the real Epstein spirited away days before? The
shrieking heard emanating from the cell later could have been the body double resisting the
double cross perpetrated upon him.
Have we had an autopsy yet? It should have happened hours after the death so as to preserve
as much biological evidence as possible. So, where is the autopsy information? I don't know
the legal rules controlling autopsy reports, so I do not know how long the 'officials' can
wait before releasing the information. Second, who gets the body? Will it be buried intact or
cremated?
Epstein is Jewish of Jewish parents. Doesn't the Hebrew law that bodies must be buried within
a day or so apply? I would be seriously interested about who sat Kaddish for this man.
This is one of the more irritation and suspicious elements of this whole thing here. Here
is correspondence between the judge and the warden in which the judge asks what the
determination on the 7/23 incident is. The warden's reply is . still pretty suspicious!
https://cryptome.org/2019/08/epstein-044-046.pdf
In addition to the bigtime official press conference that hasn't happened, we are also
missing the usual "I'm looking forward to clearing my name" schtick -- considering the
abominable accusations against Ghislane Maxwell (and others too). That Maxwell is still
hiding out is just weird -- unless the situation is something other than the Nothing Fishy
Here narrative being pushed in the MSM. She's issued denials of course but the
whereabouts-unknown act is something strange. Hard to imagine she's going to ever appear,
frankly. Very little responsible reporting on Maxwell since Epstein's death, I think.
A simple explanation for the behavior of the press regarding the Epstein case is that
modern mass media very much don't want to rock the plutocrat boat. Certainly they've been
steadily ridding themselves of any effective boat-rocking talent we grew up associating with
the investigative reporting of yore.
I believe there is a Telegraph or Daily Mail story on her in which it is
hypothesized–I am not kidding–that she is on a submarine somewhere. Being an
obtuse American, I could not tell if the author was joking.
Maxwell herself is a licensed private helicopter pilot and a "deep water submarine pilot,"
which is totally normal and par for the course among wealthy international socialite
women.
It's rather amusing for the NYT to get on their high horse about conspiracy theories when
they've been pushing the idea that the president is a Russian mole for the past two years.
Cronkite–not necessarily a perfect figure himself–got it right when he said the
only thing a news organization has to sell is credibility. When they start knowingly or
carelessly telling lies then why should the public believe any of it?
Ironically in this case the official story may be correct. It is plausible that he could
have strangled himself with a twisted bed sheet attached to an upper bunk frame, that the
guards were asleep etc. That doesn't mean that the prison authorities weren't being
deliberately careless or that there's not a lot more to the story (he may have been told he
would be killed if he didn't do it himself). Whatever the facts are here's doubting we'll be
reading them in the NY Times.
I know many here will not consider Paul Craig Roberts helpful in contributing to critical
thinking on the Epstein case. But like Tucker Carlson, he has sometimes been a voice in the
wilderness on key issues over the last few years, and his post on Epstein the other day was a
good one. In particular, this comment caught my eye:
"James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA counter-intelligence, once told me that when the CIA
pulls off something, it muddies the waters by placing different and conflicting stories in
the media. The result, he said, is that there is too much to investigate, and people end up
arguing with one another over which story is correct, and the facts of the event are never
investigated. Today with the Internet all sorts of stories can be put into play in order to
cover an event in confusion."
I thought about this yesterday when the the story about some unnamed someone hearing
"shrieking" from Epstein's cell was reported -- by CBS! And no apparent followup? There will
be misinformation (by goofballs) and disinformation (by interested parties) galore in this
case, as in all such cases, to keep us arguing amongst ourselves. Sourcing is crucial in
trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. But as we all know, it is hard to trust
"official" sources today.
Of course why an advanced society continues to allow an organization to exist whose sole
purpose is to intentionally muddy the waters for what constitutes reality is something of a
puzzle in and of itself. That's rather like building an advanced nuclear reactor with the
best and most up to date safety features and redundancies but also building an easily
accessible big red button labeled " blow up the plant and kill everyone in the tri-state
area." Outside of God we seem fairly bent on self-annihilation.
One thing I noticed: in a photo, which could have been photo shopped, of Jeffie's mansion
on Orgy Island, we see a big square building painted in broad sky blue and white stripes,
reminiscent of the flag of Israel, and the building is square like a synagog/temple and it
has a gilded dome on top. That was a bit much. The next image I saw of his mansion on Orgy
Island was of a large bunker-esque stone building – no paint and no dome. Instant food
for thought. The info on Epstein has been manipulated beyond belief, I'm sure.
One interesting thing I read was that Epstein's operation had it's own radio tower on the
island, so that communication by radio could be very secure within a private system.
Once an investigation is begun, isn't it then customary for all of the known evidence to
be sealed until it is finished? Seems like a good way to help keep the lid on things.
It's ironic to hear the FBI whinge about conspiracy theories as a danger to public
safety, yet see the officialdom, and even the press, handle the untimely death of Jeffrey
Epstein in a manner almost guaranteed to maximize salacious interest and speculation.
Hear, hear. At the very least I'd like to see some follow-up from someone in the press
with Acosta regarding the "owned by intelligence" statement. Did he actually say that? If
yes, what did he mean? Questions would obviously follow from there if we get an affirmative
for the first and clarification on the second.
The plea deal was signed in June, 2008. The attorney general, acosta's boss, who surely
had to be aware of if not approve the deal, was Alberto Gonzalez. W. was president.
What does Gonzalez have to say about this sweetheart "deal?"
Six months later, a new sheriff, obama, came to town, and eric holder came with him.
epstein would have been serving his "sentence" at the time.
Did the new democrat attorney general have any thoughts on letting a pedophile
skate while hiding it from the victims?
I'd like to see some follow-up from someone in the press with Acosta regarding the
"owned by intelligence" statement. Did he actually say that? If yes, what did he mean?
Questions would obviously follow from there if we get an affirmative for the first and
clarification on the second.
"These are not the affirmatives you are looking for " [waves hand, recovers head with
urban camouflage/jedi hood]
He could have been given the tools to hang himself by his lawyer, and easily convinced to
do so. Certainly this is the most convenient outcome for the powerful people with whom he
associated. I don't think it really matters if he was murdered or committed suicide. What
matters is that we get to watch the powerful people he associated wriggle like worms on hooks
at the evidence.
My concern is that the press should be clamoring for the intense follow-up investigation
like they cover a white girl with a black boyfriend going missing (24/7 with frequent press
conferences). Instead we find them whining about conspiracy theorists being skeptical of the
official narratives.
About four years ago when the Panama Papers were first coming out – those that did
get released – I found it noteworthy that the media plastered the picture of the one
person that appeared nowhere in those papers – Vladimir Putin. I am seeing the same
with Trump here with the way that Epstein is constantly hung around his neck. As bad as Trump
is, about 15 years ago when he found that Epstein was making moves on an underage girl at his
Mar-a-Lago resort, Trump had him thrown out on his a**. That is why in the constant films and
photos that you see of Trump and Epstein together on the news, that they are much younger
versions of themselves. Sure they mention Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton but then they get
right back to Trump. Trump actually called the press out in an interview on an airport tarmac
when he said that Bill said that he went on the Lollita Express four times when it was more
like twenty-seven times. But the media is not pressing this issue. By logical extension then,
we are getting truth about all this from Trump instead of the actual press which is an awful
condemnation of the modern media.
I cannot help but think that there is going to be serious blowback from this incident so here
goes with another of my ratbag theories. At this stage, Epstein's death is probably what it
looks like – an establishment hit job. Considering that he may have been the most
important prisoner on the continental United States, the very long sequences of failures that
allowed his death is noteworthy. But here is the thing. There has been a catastrophic failure
on the part of the main stream media to delve into what happened. No interviews, graphics of
what his cell looked like, no timeline of events – zip. Even Trump was trashed by the
media for suggesting that the whole business was – off. And people are noticing this as
it is so blatant and how people that suggest otherwise are being labeled as conspiracy
theorists. So, what happens next year when the MSM give their usual coverage of the election
and nobody is really listening to them anymore because they do not trust them based on what
they are doing now – or are not doing. We experienced this in 2016 but I think that
next year that it will be more across the whole board this mistrust.
We know that Trump knew what Epstein was up to, to a first approximation from his
statement and the fact that they were business buddies/competitors, which would naturally
require a background check. In fact, many of the girls were coming from Mar-a-Lago.
We know that none of this material became of value to Trump including the "assaulted a
girl" issue until they started competing in an auction for a property. We also know from the
Miami Herald that Epstein claimed that it was Trump who was motivating the investigation
against him that started during auction.
So, we do not know whether Trump diddled or not children. But we can be confident that
Trump had sufficient information to know what Epstein did, and a strong suspicion that he had
sufficient evidence to heavily interfere with it -- and *chose* not to, unless it was purely
in his self-interest.
None of this makes Trump unique. We know the same about many other players. We have an
entire social class which is proven to be unworthy of power even under the most minimal
threshold. But we don't need to determine who was a "pervert" and who was merely an "enabler"
of perverts (except as judicial cases).
In terms of being legitimate users of power, belonging to this social group is enough for
us to not respect them as valid holders of social influence: Trump, the Clintons, the Pinkers
etc, and so on and so forth -- they've all proven themselves to be amoral and untrustworthy,
regardless of what particular perversions they are personally guilty of.
Yes, it is being used cynically as an attack on Trump -- but it *should be* used that way;
he placed the weapon there. Just as regardless of whether Bill went on 4 flights or 26 on the
Lolita Express, we can safely assume he did or should have done basic due diligence in
investigating one of his seed funders for the Initiative who was an obvious security risk,
and thus he must have known what Epstein was up to, but couldn't care less about consequences
on useless people (useless to him personally).
Likewise for Ehud Barak. Prince Andrew. And on and on. Ken Starr and Dershowitz. It's an
amazing circle of open secrets, and everyone who was in that circle is sufficiently guilty
without us ever having to prove a single positive criminal act by them, to forever eliminate
them from "minimally decent human being". They are co-conspirators by omission.
The only conclusions are either 1) that these people are completely socially incompetent
or 2) that they in fact had information and capacity to act and refused. #1 is absurd on the
face of it, thus we conclude #2. Any other choices, since all the evidence points to JE being
flagrant about his behavior?
There could be a #3: absolute megalomania. There are those on this planet so wholly drunk
with their power and self-being, that they are not even oblivious to what the world at large
considers. That world–the reality that you and I live in–simply does not exist
for such people.
Make stuff up much? Trump and Epstein were not "business buddies/competitors". Moreover,
Epstein sought to cultivate the glitterati and the elites when Trump preferred poking a stick
in their eyes. New York Magazine was making fun of Trump starting in the 1980 for decorating
with lots of gold and dating/marrying swimsuit models rather than doing what a rich New
Yorker was supposed to do, donate to the right charities and hire the right decorators.
Trump's remarks in the early 2000s about Epstein liking to date pretty women and having an
appetite for young ones came off like a wink and nod that he was onto what Epstein was up to
but wasn't about to spell it out in enough detail for it to rise to the level of being an
accusation
>what happens next year when the MSM give their usual coverage of the election and
nobody is really listening to them anymore
What happens is: any establishment-linked Democratic nominee will be very vulnerable to
being beaten by Trump, because many swing voters will do one or both of the following:
1. Not believe the MSM's descriptions of Trump's bad acts, and/or
2. Decide that any candidate linked to the establishment (and to the known scandals like
Epstein's establishment cozyness, and the many other covered-up scandals that are implied by
the Epstein cover-ups) is less acceptable than even the worst confessed pussy-grabber who has
the saving grace of undermining establishment solidarity.
Maybe there is background connection with the death of Robin Williams. Williams was found,
apparently at door knob level, and some theories identify the strangulation as a sex
practice. If Epstein was compulsive in his sex needs, might he have been in a similar
situation? That inquiry would take a different team of experts. Has the press speculated or
investigated?
I've followed the Epstein story since Julie K. Brown wrote the terrific investigative
report "Perversion of Justice" in the Miami Herald in November 2018 so I can't help but
comment on this post. At the time, I felt compelled to write an essay (never published) on
sex crimes and big law ethics because I was appalled by her description of the extent of
Epstein's crimes and abuse and the sweetheart deal (non-prosecute agreement) approved by Alex
Acosta. I wrote:
"Reports of Epstein's illicit sexual exploits date back at least to 2005, when the local
police raided his Palm Beach mansion after a 14-year-old girl and her parents reported that
she was molested by Epstein. Epstein's alleged behavior – assembling a large, cult-like
network of underage girls to coerce into sex acts and trafficking minor girls on his personal
jet (dubbed the Lolita Express) for sex parties at his homes in Palm Beach, Manhattan, New
Mexico and the Caribbean – surpass the allegations against such famed sex offenders as
Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.
The New York Post, the Daily Mail, numerous other publications and media sites have written
dozens of salacious stories about Epstein over the years. Vanity Fair profiled him in a 2013
article The Talented Mr. Epstein and James Patterson co- wrote a non-fiction book, Filthy
Rich: The Billionaire's Sex Scandal–The Shocking True Story of Jeffrey Epstein, with
investigative reporters John Connolly and Tim Malloy. In the pre-#MeToo era, many of these
media reports focused on the sensational, while giving short shrift to the serious criminal
aspect of Epstein's behavior."
Were it not for Julie K. Brown, Epstein would almost certainly be alive today, traveling on
the Lolita Express, while continuing to pal around with his plutocrat and horndog friends.
Also, because someone at the SDNY thankfully paid attention to this reporting, my
expectations from January – i.e. that "Epstein's wealth and connections seem likely to
insulate him from further prosecution" were wrong.
So while I agree with Yves comments, it should be noted that notwithstanding the lack of
critical thinking and heavy spin evidenced today, it is worth recalling that there are
examples of exceptional journalism and Ms. Brown is a exemplar of the profession.
I'm sure the FBI will exercise the same level of professionalism when doing the forensic
examination of any computers it finds as it did for the DNC servers and Anthony Anthony
Weiner's laptop. Oh, wait! :-)
I'm sure that the evidence will be examined with an eye toward protecting the right people
and punishing anyone they need to squeeze.
THIS ! Your comment solidifies in stone how this country is doomed to dissolve. To a
greater and significant degree, the public is finding true justice wanting, and thus, holds
no trust in Government, at All levels.
But hey that's just conspiracy theory talk .. right ?
The slow drip, drip, drip of information in a case that was, to say the least high profile
reminds me of a comment I read once back in the day of the 'disappeared' tactics in South
America. The comment was that it was not so much the apparent assassinations that were the
regime's targets but the fact that things were happening to people in a remorseless way in
order to cow or coerce others into continuing to cooperate – whether it was the general
population or in fact closer associates of the regime. 'See what we can do? Watch out, or we
will do it to you. We can do anything we want.'
I haven't been following this case, but that's the impression I get. Those in the know are
being warned.
In my experience dealing with state prison authorities when trying to get to the bottom of
how someone died in prison, excuses like understaffing/underfunding are basically standard
operating procedure. I've attended a few meetings of a public committee that is convened to
discuss deaths in Wisconsin prisons as part of advocating for improvements in prisons there
and when family members of loved ones have asked why more wasn't done to prevent their death
in prison the DOC officials almost always tell us it's a matter of funding rather than bad
actors, management, or general organizational culture.
There was an
article in the WSJ yesterday talking about problems in the Bureau of Prisons which I
think is instructive:
Within the government, the prisons bureau is known for its opaque decision-making, and
even federal judges are constrained in their ability to order the agency to change a
prisoner's conditions of confinement or treatment behind bars, according to law-enforcement
experts.
"The BOP is its own fiefdom," said David Patton, who has worked as a federal defender in
New York for 18 years. "There is no outside enforcement mechanism to handle these issues.
Truly, it's insanity."
This is a good description of how most state prison systems in the US operate, at least in
my experience. Problems in MCC do not at all rule out a larger conspiracy to kill Epstein. In
fact, given what is known about staff usually being the conduit for contraband like drugs
getting into prisons, it provokes more questions than it answers. Just last year a guard was
arrested for smuggling drugs, money, cell phones, and food into the MCC.
It's unfortunate that abysmal conditions in US prisons are being used to dismiss questions
about Epstein's death, especially since barely anybody seems to care when poor and mostly
anonymous people die in prison as a result of neglect, violence, or some combination of the
two with no attention or fanfare.
Bad conditions make it cheap and easy to do whatever you want -- incompetence is not a
competitive explanation to conspiracy, but in fact is the conditions for conspiracy to be a
reasonable explanation.
Hanlon's razor is intellectually void. Incompetence is the structural complement of
conspiracy.
I'd say it's more of a knee-jerk response to criticism on the BOP's part to blame lack of
funds or low-level employees. The recent bit about guards suspected of falsifying logs so
they could sleep is pretty clever as a cover-up strategy if that's what it is, since
irregularities can be blamed on lazy low-level employees rather than any concerted effort to
get someone in or out of his cell.
It didn't take long for the bit about guards deviating from the check-up schedule to make
it into press reports even though now it appears those logs were falsified based on
subsequent viewing of security footage, at least according to AP. It's not surprising that
there's anonymous sources on something like this, but it would be good to know who knew the
procedure wasn't followed before it came out that the logs were falsified.
If you wanted someone dead, wouldn't prison be one of the easiest places to get away with
murder? Easy to cover up or blame as an accident/suicide, and for the victim, nowhere to
run.
I was told by a former state prosecutor after this post went live that Federal prison
staff are particularly vulnerable to pressure. Imagine you worked in the MCC. You live in the
five boroughs. You could be transferred to any Federal pen, and most of them are in bumfuck
nowhere. Or potentially worse, you could be sent to a supermax.
I think that comedians are much more equipped to handle the scant information we have than
the press.
What's needed is a mind-expansion exercise, and humor is the best way to achieve this.
Almost any solution to the bizarre coincidences and mishaps will have to be speculative, so
going whole-hog will stretch matters to the limits. (Already I have SNL routines going
through my head. I love the false-rumor of some officials in grey coming into Epstein's cell
and whisking him away in a white van without a license plate; but then, who did they bring
in? A look-alike? Did they test the DNA of the corpse in the morgue?)
Anyway, that opens the way for the mind to run free -- MANY versions that take the known
facts into account, not just one!
What is needed is a scenario for the Deep State holding a Planning Session.
-- Let's overwork the guards 5 days in a row so that they get very sleepy and won't do the
rounds.
-- Let's spike their drink with a sleeping pill.
-- Have a Mission Impossible team come in and cover up the TV cameras with a fake scene
replacing the foreign killers (or kidnappers, take your pick) coming in.
Seems to me we should be investigating all the people coming and going from that prison.
Maybe local activists should have formed a Vigilante circle around the whole building until
Sexteins day in court!!!
So now all the club members are looking for a new president to take over the many duties
associated with 'adult entertainment' and related services.
My take is the ' club ' has been in operation for centuries and its members have
always relied on a fixer with connections broad and strong enough to keep them ' safe,
' from the prying eyes of the church, the law, and the public at large.
Think Mr. Wolf from 'Pulp Fiction'.
Jeffery did a great job, but alas, men are apt to outgrow their britches and let their
egos pollute their judgement, and Jeff was no exception, he started to think that he was as
immune as his clientele, and that was a bad mistake.
Epstein may well have been groomed for his job, and that would imply there are cadets
being prepared, to take his job, his end being being one of their final lessons.
Keep in mind that the only real witnesses (two guards) are guilty of incompetence and
fraud, even if not complicit in murder for hire. When you combine that with the reflexive
"code of silence" around wrongdoing by law enforcement it is no surprise that facts are thin
on the ground.
See my comment above from a former state prosecutor about the staff at Federal prisons
being particularly vulnerable to pressure. He's not convinced that they weren't acting on
orders.
If you have been on the inside of a crisis that made it into the media you will have
observed two things. The first is that initial reports are invariably incomplete, often
fragmentary and often contradictory. It can take some time to work out what happened, and,
even then, inconsistencies usually remain, because people recall events differently,
especially under stress, and adjust their memories later based on what they have read and
head. This is what enables journalists, even years later, to produce shock horror revelations
in best-selling books.
The other is that the media is largely unconcerned with truth. What they want is A Good
Story, even if it contradicts the last one they printed. The media will usually seize on the
most outrageous or sensational interpretation of events, and generally refuse to retract
their story even when better information is available. This helps to create a febrile public
mood in which conspiracy theories are circulated and recirculated until nobody can remember
where they originated. They help to produce a public mood where conspiracies are so much
taken for granted that people, as here, automatically accept them because they seem natural
and anyway that film I saw last week was all about this CIA conspiracy.
In this casé the sloppiness and lack if critical thought we've come to expect from the
media was on full display, but there is another factor as well. If you look at some of the
coverage in the blogosphere , you can see an internal struggle going on. Many sites and
pundits would instinctively go for the conspiracy explanation but feel inhibited because
Trump got there first. Expect a few nervous breakdowns in the days to come as they struggle
with this contradiction.
It costs about $200,000 tuition to get a journalism degree from a top ranked school. Add 4
years living expenses and the minimum entry cost for the profession is about $400,000 for a
low wage job.
Who can afford that? What class do they come from? And what priorities does someone with
that debt load and class background have?
Combine that with media consolidation and 3-4 corporate owned giants. You either work for
one of the giant political parties or one of the giant corporations.
In that environment a good looking, smart, CNN talking head thrives and a talent like Sy
Hersh or Thomas Frank has to leave the country to get published.
Current Affairs has run a series of articles on problems with the journalism of the
NYT.
After their support for wars in the Middle East, near constant reliance on unnamed
official sources (the paper could be renamed "Officials said ") and the revelation that they
vet their stories with the intel agencies, I concluded it's more of a PR office for the White
House than a reliable news source.
Critical thinking means we have to weigh many different sources of information, some more
reliable than others, and actively exercise our own powers of judgement. Personally, I found
the NYT ceased to stimulate my thinking in that way, and I removed them from my regular
reading list years ago.
Sometimes I check back, only to find the NYT writers suffering from Trump/Putin
Derangement Syndrome or some other twentieth-century disease, long since wiped out by the
alternative media. It's been surprisingly easy to let go of them.
One of the interesting coincidences in the timing makes me wonder if the Court's unsealing
2000 pages of evidentiary documents that named names on August 9th cancelled out any assumed
deadman's switch Epstein was said to have. If the names and events were starting to come out
through the Court .
Documents released August 9th. Epstein supposedly commits suicide the either the night of
August 9th or early in the morning Aug. 10th. Epstein's death ended the criminal case against
him. Only the civil cases can now go forward.
I believe in coincidences, but the timing (less than 24 hours) is remarkable.
It's reasonable to ask if release of the documents mooted any deadman's switch he may have
had.
adding: if Epstein was part of an intel agency blackmail ring, keeping the blackmailed
under the control of whatever agency means keeping the blackmailing information hidden. If it
all the information comes out then the threat is over and the control is over. (Looking at
one possibility from a purely 'business' point of view. )
I'm wondering whether Trump and Barr now have all the blackmail material. (Was that the
purpose of the island raid?)
If so, what are they going to do with it? Just think of how much control they would have
over other powerful people in the U.S. and all over the world.
Then they would be carrying on in the tradition of J Edgar Hoover. Plenty of precedent for
that. Throw a few insignificant people to the wolves and hoard the rest of the
'evidence.'
I am reminded of the case of the missing 18 1/2 minutes of tape, in the midst of a
recorded telephone conversation between President Nixon and his henchman, John Haldeman. In
1973, during the Watergate Investigation, there was a remarkably similar aura of conspiracy
theory, disbelief that this erasure had occurred so fortuitously, and a general hilarity over
the official attempt to blame it on the 'incompetence' of Nixon's secretary, Rose Mary Woods,
who, allegedly, had acrobatically stretched to answer a telephone call and so hit the wrong
button on the tape machine as she was transcribing the tapes. The 'missing minutes' occupied
a disproportionate amount of media time and space for months.
Which may be one of the reasons I knew nothing of the Chilean coup d'etat, September 11,
1973, that replaced Salvadore Allende with Augusto Pinochet. But, there I go again, with the
conspiracy theories!
Here's another Consortium link
: a writer who has spent time in federal lockup on suicide watch. Not too much new info
provided, but does reinforce how this protocol makes suicide impossible, and how it was (no
doubt purposefully) botched in Epstein's case.
I find many conspiracy theories laughable, including the conspiracy theory that there are
no conspiracies.
My eye is taken when a key actor is murdered. Thus Oswald was murdered by Ruby. A witness
to the lives of the alleged Boston Bombers was murdered by the FBI. Seth Rich, who may
perhaps have been the leaker of the DNC emails, was murdered by person or persons unknown,
not necessarily in the employ of a leading Dem politician.
So: have there been any other murders or disappearances recently that could be related to
the Epstein business? For example, if Epstein was murdered will someone now have the murdered
the murderers to shut them up? Might Ghislaine Maxwell have been murdered? Are the children
and wives of the jail warders all present and accounted for?
Mr. Epstein's mode of demise seems too inconvenient for many of the Important People to
have been planned and executed by competent professionals in their service. However, it might
be an aspect of factional struggle already evident in the rise of Trump and the inability of
the Established Order to prevent or abort it. Besides malice and incompetence, we may also
have their synthesis.
If you consider social democrat types to be Left -- the 'near Left' -- then they've made
great progress during the reign of Trump. It is true they are nowhere near dominance as yet,
but in any case the stuff the Deep State factions are struggling over, war, empire, funny
money, and other con games, are inherently corrupt and corrupting, and formal dominance could
only mean submission to the rules of the Game. Probably better to lose influentially; victory
is death.
In the case of Epstein, I was thinking not that he was a principal who had to be offed
because he ' knew too much ', but was more like the racehorse whose head winds up in
someone's bed. Or hearing that someone has been given plutonium tea. 'We can do this,
sucker!'
Yeah, I find this plausible. It's almost like the authorities were laying the groundwork for 'solving' the Epstein
problem, and someone decided, "he's got to go .NOW" and failed to 'suicide' him a couple of
weeks ago and decided to have another crack at it and got it done, this time.
Now the establishment is scrambling to get into clean up mode and need to get their story
straight. In the meantime, all these weird, confusing bits and pieces are coming out and it
is hard to know what to believe, what's just junk info, and what is an open attempt to
gas-light us into thinking crazy stuff ..only so it can be 'debunked' later to help shore up
credibility to the 'official' story.
Obviously, with so few facts .we can only speculate .and have fun doing so!
It seems clear that we're witnessing a factional struggle play out among the elites.
Epstein had been cooling his heels for years but was suddenly returned to the chessboard,
weaponized for reasons unknown by persons unknown against other factions unknown. And
subsequently removed from the board. I agree with the vast majority of Americans -- it seems
unlikely that a sadistic narcissist, a smug multimillionaire who got away with everything
once already, who had many powerful friends, would fall into despair so quickly. It strains
credulity to believe that a techno-fantasist who believed in cryo-preservation would decide
to off himself in a way that made such techniques impossible. If we ever find out what
actually happened it will be 50 years from now when the parties responsible are on their
deathbeds.
As for the lack of detailed reporting -- I think this is an effect of two things. First,
the fact that print media has been gutted over the last two decades. There are far fewer
reporters than before. Blog writing has also declined dramatically, which means there are
fewer writers able and willing to aggregate and analyze whatever reporting exists. Second,
the few reporters who remain are comfortable elites who spend most of their time on Twitter.
Social media provides an echo chamber with a lot of noise, very short turnarounds with no
time for reflection, and very little scope for detailed arguments or details. Mainstream
reporters are very concerned with maintaining their image as insiders. Challenging the
establishment narrative means death for their careers.
The Epstein is the test case for reporting in the modern era. This is the new normal.
Right. The same fbi that spent the past few years discrediting trump has now handed him
the ability to bribe the world. Sure thing. But hey, we're no longer pondering the various
failings of RRR hysteria. I'll raise bobby gladd's occams meat axe to occams battle axe. An
unfathomable chocolate mess. No such thing as "the truth" will likely ever be known. Wagging
the dog.
I can't add much to Yve's excellent post and the follow-up comments, except to say that
the events of recent days and weeks have made Pizzagate (as deranged as it was) into some
kind of weird Jungian premonition which is to say, the s&#* is out of control. When Trump was first elected, I tried to calm down friends with advanced TDS, who expected
Kristallnacht to be directed at their favorite brunch spots, by saying that "This is what
empires in decline look like."
In regard to this sordid tale, I'm reminded of Robert Graves' (and the superb BBC TV
version of) "I, Claudius."
My reinterpretation of your comment would be; In this sordid world, people without power have
absolutely no value.
Otherwise, I'm with you all the way. Abuse is abuse. No other definition is logical.
For what it is worth, in a comment above, I asked about the autopsy. Later in weaseling
around the interwebs I came across this from a site called "The Intelligencer." Anyone know
much about the reliability and truthiness of this site? I do not, but the piece is fairly
straight forward, except for the almost de rigeur defense of the Clintons and low level
smearing of Trump. It also trots out the "overworked and understaffed jail" defense.
Herein: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-dies-by-suicide-report.html
"the overarching mission of this website is to promote critical thinking."
I've always regarded the phrase "critical thinking" with a bit of concern–even
though I taught it at my university for a number of years (adjunct faculty serf). An
inordinate number of my (partial "math credit"-seeking) students came to it anticipating
"oh, boy, we're just gonna get to endlessly argue about shit, and I can vent my
frustrations."
Well, have read quite a few articles and blogposts. In no particular order, many imply
that E knew he would be arrested at Teterborough, yet no explanation of his omniscience about
the indictment. If he is dead, one reasonable assumption might be that his brother is trustee
of his estate, yet no one approaches him. Many claim E was filming people for blackmail, but
seems to be a mere assertion. No one talks to Acosta.
I was curious about the frequency of suicide at the Manhattan Correctional Center
(MCC).
Before getting to that, I wanted to mention that I appreciate the succinct expression of a
problem: " but with the rise in social media, the reaction to a news story often overwhelms
the underlying event." I feel this is exactly what we face in this case. I'm overwhelmed by
the response, and am having some trouble figuring out what to pay attention to.
I used google to search for "MCC number suicides" and found a Fox story, https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-new-york-lockup-suicides
, which says that "Published reports tally only one suicide and three attempted suicides in
the past 40 years at the Manhattan Correctional Center, which came under fire after Epstein's
death early Saturday."
I wonder if "published reports" refers to official counts from the prison itself, or just
media stories. If the Fox tally is close to being accurate for the prison, this might
indicate that suicide is highly unusual in that facility.
My naive hunch was that suicide in jails was common, but perhaps in a facility such as MCC
it is more rare. (By the way, rather frustrating to me is that in the google search results
that came up there are several stories about prison and jail suicides in general, but only
the Fox News report had a frequency specific to MCC. Rather depressingly, for example, a
writer in the Atlantic invokes Sandra Bland in the same paragraph as Mr. Epstein, as though
these are sensible comparisons. In that article, the author ignores the especially relevant
question of the MCC success or failure at preventing suicides.)
This seems like a "baseline" fact that might be useful as we make judgments about how this
event happened.
"Today, a medical examiner performed the autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein," said Chief Medical
Examiner Dr. Barbara Sampson in a statement Sunday night.
"The ME's determination is pending further information at this time. At the request of
those representing the decedent, and with the awareness of the federal prosecutor, I
allowed a private pathologist (Dr. Michael Baden) to observe the autopsy examination. This
is routine practice."
What would be the reasoning for this?
#1. Something suspicious was found and they want to double check with the prosecutor?
#2. They need to run it by officials before it is released?
#3. They are unsure of their findings and need further info?
This whole situation is just strange, and for them to need more info before completing the
autopsy when it is suspected to be death by suicide makes it weirder.
Dr Michael Baden has been all over social media lately. His Wikipedia entry notes the following: Known for: Testimony at the O. J. Simpson trial · Investigations of the John F.
Kennedy and Martin Luther King assassinations. Certainly an interesting guy.
It was reassuring, in a perverse way, to see Yves finger precisely what has seemed most
odd about the days following his 'apparent' suicide: the complete absence of reporting on the
most simple, basic questions, things like the layout of his cell, the regularity of video
cams, the layout of the prison, the identity of his second cell-mate, etc. The things that
would begin to give the public a picture of what has transpired. It's all frustratingly
blank.
So I'll add my obvious question to pool to those that no one is even bothering to answer:
1. When someone is taken off of Suicide Watch, who needs to be contacted? Wouldn't the
Prosecutors have to be told–particularly in a high-profile case where the suspect
allegedly tried to take his life a few days ago? Were they contacted, and what was their
position? Did they approve of it? It seems impossible for me to imagine that they were
unaware that he was no longer being monitored, and yet that simple question has, as far as I
can tell, yet to be asked. It's being presented in the media as though it were all a set of
decisions all internal to the MCC.
2. When he allegedly tried to take his life once before, what were the details? All we were
told is that he was found unconscious or nearly unconscious on the floor of his cell with
marks on his neck. But what's the picture here? Flesh is out just a tiny bit more. Was there
something hanging from the ceiling that he had fallen out of? Was there something still
around his neck? Those two details couldn't be more plain and obvious and presumably easy to
answer–and if neither is the case, then the picture of someone unconscious on the floor
with marks on their neck tells a very different story.
News stories suggest that Epstein's legal team requested to MCC that their client be taken
of suicide watch would they now be considered as part of "the conspiracy to murder Jeffery
Epstein"?
I used to do suicide watch on some of my jobs. There is no way someone could hang
themselves in those stripped down high security cells, whether anyone is watching or not.
It's relatively easy to hang oneself, but I don't think anyone could just strangle
themselves, intentionally. I also found diagrams of the cells on that wing by googling.
Pretty barren. I wonder if the substitute guard was really an assassin? We will never know,
of course, but I sure would have loved to hear Epstein 'tell all.'
Critical thinking is all we have left, it seems. The great investigative reporters, such
as Bob Parry, went independent a long time ago. Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet,
Epstein verbally hired a new attorney, David Schoen, to head up his legal team just days
before he died. As far as I can tell, only Fox News, the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the
Atlanta Jewish Times picked up the story, the latter source being the most comprehensive
interview of Schoen. If the legacy media/elite propaganda press wanted to do a deep dive on
Epstein, any one of the reporters could have started with the visitor log at the prison and
found Schoen's name. The Schoen story has been out for two days now, but it appears that none
of the major papers outside of Atlanta has picked up on this.
Schoen, who met with Epstein for five hours has a lot of interesting observations. To wit
(from the article):
"I don't believe it was suicide. I think someone killed him."
Schoen noted media reports that Epstein had attempted to commit suicide on July 23.
"That was not a suicide attempt," Schoen said. "It involved another inmate."
Putting on my critical thinking hat, the information in the Schoen interview confirms that
Epstein continued to believe he just needed the right lawyers to, again, escape retribution.
As to the first "suicide" attempt, the other inmate Schoen references is likely Tartaglione,
who strikes me as the kind of self-absorbed, self-righteous vigilante that law enforcement
seems to attract. Tartaglione was Epstein's roommate–body builder, former Briarcliff
Manor cop–that Briarcliff Manor seemed happy to pay off just to get him off the force.
Tartaglione's lawyer says that he and Epstein got on well together, but then he would say
that, wouldn't he? You don't want to prejudice your client's chances before he goes to trial.
However, those who remember John Kiriakou's Letters from Loretto, on the former Firedog Lake
website, remember that even someone as reasonable as Kiriakou exhibited a white hot rage when
he spoke about the pedophiles at Loretto. So one question to ask is when, exactly, was
Tartaglione transferred to a different cell than the one he shared with Epstein? Also, why
hasn't the medical examiner at least come out with the time of death?
If Tartaglione's
transfer was only a few hours before the prison says it found Epstein unresponsive, is it
possible that Tartaglione was responsible for Epstein's death, and that the rest of the story
about "suicide" is actually a desperate attempt by the MCC to cover up incompetence by
staging a hanging? I don't know, but critical thinking tells me it's disturbing that very few
media outlets are covering Schoen's testimony.
"... This is doomed to dissolve. To a greater and significant degree, the public is finding true justice wanting, and thus holds no trust in Government, at All levels. ..."
Then you get a tame judge assigned (and that's nothing new, even Johnny Carson used to
joke "do you know how bad the economy is these days?" [sidekick] "no, Johnny, just how bad is
the economy?" "it's so bad, organised crime has had to lay off 5 judges this week ") to let
Epstein off with a slap on the wrist, a year at the Four Seasons low security penitentiary
and early release through time served.
Much simpler than any of the other notions and achieves exactly the same result (Epstein
is subject to "the full force of the law" but stays happily alive to tell the tale and keep
his finger off the Dead Mans Switch).
If you were in charge of all this, which solution would you try first? If you've ever
worked in a big, but incompetent, organisation (and if they're big, they're almost certainly
going to be incompetence personified), you wouldn't even need to ask yourself that
question.
This is doomed to dissolve. To a greater and significant degree, the public is finding
true justice wanting, and thus holds no trust in Government, at All levels.
But hey that's just conspiracy theory talk .. right ?
"... In the case of Epstein, I was thinking not that he was a principal who had to be offed because he ' knew too much ', but was more like the racehorse whose head winds up in someone's bed. ..."
If you consider social democrat types to be Left -- the 'near Left' -- then they've made
great progress during the reign of Trump. It is true they are nowhere near dominance as yet,
but in any case the stuff the Deep State factions are struggling over, war, empire, funny
money, and other con games, are inherently corrupt and corrupting, and formal dominance could
only mean submission to the rules of the Game. Probably better to lose influentially; victory
is death.
In the case of Epstein, I was thinking not that he was a principal who had to be offed
because he ' knew too much ', but was more like the racehorse whose head winds up in
someone's bed. Or hearing that someone has been given plutonium tea. 'We can do this,
sucker!'
If Trump were interested in "winning", as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view
this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization
at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally,
there are enough people on the periphery -- ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc --
that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.
This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein's suspicious death
will be a catalyst for it.
"... With Epstein dead, four women accused of recruiting underage girls for sex with the pedophile financier are coming into focus, including British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell - who has denied all claims ..."
"... She was more of a partner in his obsession, really," said Miami Herald reporter Julie Brown , who spent more than two years looking into Epstein's controversial 2008 plea deal. "And there are allegations that she was involved in having sex with some of these girls as well ..."
"... Court documents from 2011 reveal Epstein controlled several apartments in a building just blocks from his $77 million New York townhouse and allegedly housed "underage girls from all over the world ..."
With Epstein dead, four women accused of recruiting underage girls for sex with the
pedophile financier are coming into focus, including British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell - who
has denied all claims.
On Monday, AG Barr said that Epstein's alleged co-conspirators "should
not rest easy" just because Epstein won't have his day in court.
"Let me assure you that case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with
Epstein," said Barr in remarks to a New Orleans law enforcement group, "Any co-conspirators
should not rest easy. Victims deserve justice and will get it."
Maxwell is said to be Epstein's ex-girlfriend turned business associate. Her current
location is unknown.
"She was more of a partner in his obsession, really," said
Miami Herald reporter Julie Brown , who spent more than two years looking into Epstein's
controversial 2008 plea deal. "And there are allegations that she was involved in having sex
with some of these girls as well."
Court documents from 2011 reveal Epstein controlled several apartments in a building just
blocks from his $77 million New York townhouse and allegedly housed "underage girls from all
over the world." -
CBS News
Would video of that convince everyone he was a suicide? What if someone entered and left
the cell? Would video of that convince everyone he was murdered?
Or would people just go on then to believe the video was faked?
It will be interesting to learn about his cell mate. Why was he transferred out? Why was
he placed in an ad-seg type unit in the first place? Was his commitment to said unit
completed per prison sanction/classification? Or was he removed earlier than prison policy?
Does Fed. Prison Administrative Code require that inmates be remanded to special units for
fix time spans? If so who authorized his early transfer out of the unit. Where was he moved
to? etc etc
I just folded over and tightly twisted up a piece of paper and it was pretty strong. That
was only twisting 8" wide. It was hard to break apart (I work out). I bet twisting the width
of a bedsheet would be sufficient especially when the inmate is quoted stating that the
sheets are stronger than paper.
An interesting note of contrast. The Clintons came up as lawyers with intense government
involvement/background out of Arkansas and created this huge pile of dead people around
them.
But Trump isn't a lawyer and didn't come up through government but actually outside it. You
don't see a history of bodies piled up around Trumpville.
Epstein was murdered.
It is impossible to accept that Epstein committed suicide under the given
circumstances.
It is also true of the vast high profile types with connected personal criminal involvement
to Epstein... in wanting him dead.
Add that the 2020 DNC election narrative cannot afford Bill Clinton being arrested and
charged.
The cellmate "transferring out" right before the act is the largest of the red flags imo.
Who ordered this transfer?
Also, he was left alone the very day all of the unsealed documents are released. Documents
that A) Completely humiliate Epstein and B) Prove that he had no chance in hell of being
acquitted.
In other words, this is the one day where security should have been greatly increased.
"... You really don't believe that Epstein would be able to 'manipulate' **** with the prison guards given the political status of this situation? ..."
"... It's the coverup of the coverup that's got to be revealled. ..."
"... The Clinton's are just immoral white trash, which makes them easy to control, so they were handed power. You give them too much credit. They aren't the brains of the operation. ..."
As it turns out, Miami Herald reporter
Julie K Brown
was right about Epstein managing to manipulate MCC staff into letting him off of
suicide watch. Because, according to an
ABC News
report,
Epstein's defense attorneys successfully lobbied for him to be taken
off suicide watch on July 29, about a week before he was found dead in his cell.
The revelation comes as AG William Barr warned any and all of Epstein's alleged accomplices on
Monday that he would look over the "serious irregularities" in the prison's treatment of Epstein,
and that Epstein's death doesn't mean his co-conspirators won't be brought to justice.
Before Epstein could be removed from suicide watch, he had to undergo several
psychiatric evaluations allowing prison officials to make the move.
As has already been reported, though there are cameras on Epstein's former cell block, they
don't show the inside of the cells, meaning there's likely no video of Epstein committing suicide.
Circling back to Barr, the AG said Monday that Epstein's alleged co-conspirators "should not
rest easy" just because Epstein won't have his day in court.
"Let me assure you that case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with
Epstein,"
Barr told a law enforcement group in New Orleans on Monday. "Any
co-conspirators should not rest easy. Victims deserve justice and will get it."
However, bringing them to justice might be harder than it seems,
since nobody can seem
to locate Ghislaine Maxwell, the socialite and Epstein's alleged madam, who allegedly helped groom
young girls to work as 'sex slaves' for Epstein and his many influential friends.
No one in jail wants to be on suicide watch for privacy reasons if
nothing else so of course Epstain would instruct his hired legal
crooks to get him off, which they would have to do per being his
hired legal crooks.
For more than ten years, he's been linked to
Manhattan-London society figure Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of
the mysteriously deceased media titan Robert Maxwell, yet he
lives the life of a bachelor, logging 600 hours a year in his
various planes as he scours the world for investment
opportunities.
He owns what is said to be Manhattan's largest private house
yet runs his business from a 100-acre private island in St.
Thomas.
On Epstein: As some collect butterflies, he collects
beautiful minds. "I invest in people.."
An estimated 8 million
children
are said to go
missing
each
year,
worldwide
.
Around 800,000 are from the United States, 40,000 each year
in Brazil, 50,500 in Canada, 39,000 in France, 100,000 in
Germany, 45,000 in Mexico, and an estimated 230,000 go missing
in the United Kingdom every year.
Most developing countries including Africa, Asia, and Latin
America don't count missing children.
The U.S. Department of State said that there are no
statistics that track the number of Americans that go missing
in a foreign country.
The Clinton's are just immoral white trash, which makes them
easy to control, so they were handed power. You give them too
much credit. They aren't the brains of the operation.
I'm starting to think that Epstein's death is very, very suspicious. If the coroner knows the
time of death, and he most certainly ascertains that first thing then they can check the
hallway cameras to verify who, if anyone, accessed his cell in the minutes and hours prior
his death and for what reason. The video does not take days and weeks to procure. So why has
this info not been released?
"How many other millionaires and billionaires were part of the illegal activities that he
was engaged in?" he asked. Even the BBC website has as its heading of a news story today "Jeffrey Epstein: Questions raised over financier's death."
Did Jeffrey
Epstein commit suicide or was he murdered? This is a question that is being debated by millions of
Americans right now, and without a doubt this is the biggest story of this news cycle.
Unfortunately, the mainstream media is already dropping the ball.
Instead of going
wherever the evidence leads them, there already seems to be a tremendous effort to marginalize any
explanations for his death other than "suicide".
And it may turn out that "suicide" is
where the evidence takes us, but while things are unclear we should not be afraid to ask the hard
questions.
The following are 7 unanswered questions about Jeffrey Epstein's death that the mainstream media
needs to be talking about
#1 Why are the autopsy results being delayed?
According to
NBC
News
, the New York City medical examiner's office is requesting "more information" before
determining the cause of Epstein's death
The New York City medical examiner's office said Sunday that it had
completed
an autopsy
of the financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein but that it needed
more information before determining the cause of death.
#2 What will the cameras show?
By now most people have heard that there were
no cameras filming what was going on inside Epstein's cell, but there were cameras
filming
the doors of each cell
The news of the delay to the autopsy results comes after a source told the New York Post
there was no video of the moment he died in his jail cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center.
Cameras are said to film the doors to each cell which would show anyone who entered or
exited, but they do not point inside.
So if someone paid a "visit" to Epstein, there should be video evidence of it.
#3 Why was Jeffrey Epstein taken off suicide watch?
After Epstein attempted to
"kill himself" the first time, he was put on suicide watch, but only for a short period. The
following comes from
CNN
No. Epstein was temporarily placed on a suicide watch after he was found in his jail cell
July 23 with marks on his neck, a law enforcement source and a source familiar with the incident
told CNN at the time.
It wasn't clear whether those injuries, which were not serious, were self-inflicted or the
result of an assault, the sources said. Epstein told authorities he had been beaten up and
called a child predator, they said.
#4 Why did the guards break prison rules and not check on him every 30 minutes?
Apparently these guards had been working a lot of overtime, but that is no excuse
for
breaking prison rules
Epstein should have been checked on by guards in his cell every 30 minutes, but that didn't
happen the night before his apparent suicide, a law enforcement official told the Times.
The Times spoke to the official on the condition of anonymity. The Associated Press has not
independently confirmed the information.
A law enforcement source also said he was alone in his cell Saturday night after his cellmate
was transferred. An official with knowledge of the investigation told the Times that the Justice
Department was told Epstein would have a cellmate and be monitored by a guard every 30 minutes.
#5 Why would Jeffrey Epstein try to kill himself if he was adjusting so well to prison
life?
According to a "prison insider" interviewed
by
the Daily Mail
, Epstein "seemed to be in good spirits" just before his life ended
The insider, who had seen the disgraced financier on several occasions during his
incarceration at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, also claims that the normally reserved
Epstein seemed to be in good spirits.
'There was no indication that he might try to take his own life,' the source told
DailyMail.com.
'From what I saw, he was finally starting to adjust to prison. I think he was comforted by
the rigidity of his new life.'
#6 Why did Jeffrey Epstein tell guards that someone was trying to kill him?
It
has been reported by the mainstream media that Epstein previously tried to kill himself, but
apparently that report was being directly contradicted by Epstein himself. Of course it is
entirely possible that Epstein was lying, but according to multiple reports he claimed
that
someone had tried to kill him
The 66-year-old convicted sex offender reportedly told guards and fellow inmates he believed
someone was trying to kill him.
The multimillionaire, who was being held on sex trafficking charges at the Metropolitan
Correctional Center in Manhattan, had previously been on suicide watch.
#7 How could Epstein kill himself in a prison where the cells had been specifically
designed to prevent that from happening?
I shared this quote
in
another article that I just posted
, but it is deeply relevant to this article as well.
According to a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan that was just
interviewed by the New York Post,
there
is no way that Epstein would have been able to hang himself
There's no way that man could have killed himself. I've done too much time in those units.
It's an impossibility.
Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There's no way for you to
connect to anything.
You have sheets, but they're paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds -- it would
never happen.
Everything in these cells was designed to keep hanging deaths from happening, but that is not
the only way that prisoners kill themselves.
According to a study cited by
the
Los Angeles Times
, over 90 percent of all prison suicides are hangings, and drug overdoses are
the second most common cause
According to news reports, Epstein was not on suicide watch when he died, but even if he had
been the outcome might have been the same. A
study
by
the U.S. Marshal Service found that about 8% of suicides in correctional facilities occurred
even though an inmate was on suicide watch. According to the report, the vast majority of
suicides (more than 90%) are hangings, with the second most common being drug overdoses.
So is it possible that Epstein could have come up with a way to kill himself?
Yes, although it wouldn't have been easy.
Epstein was certainly a miserable
human being, and without
anything positive to live for
, he
probably imagined that he would rot away in a prison cell for the rest of his life.
In the end, it definitely would not be a surprise if someone in his position chose the cowardly
route of committing suicide.
But without a doubt, something doesn't smell right here.
There were reports that Epstein was willing to start testifying against his rich and powerful
friends, but now that will never happen.
It is clear that there are certain people that have greatly benefited from his death,
and in many of those cases it appears that justice will probably never be served.
What emerges from this fiasco is that the inside players no longer
feel the need to cover their tracks in any way, shape or form.
They can murder with impunity to cover their tracks and the
institutions of Government will wring their hands and announce
that all is OK. The American Federal Government structure is now
irretreivably corrut.
Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg -- who is 63 with a long, graying
beard -- recently sat down with me to explain what he described as
a "child-rape assembly line" among sects of fundamentalist
Jews. He cleared his throat. "I'm going to be graphic," he
said.
If Epstein were to commit suicide, it might have been a lot later
in the game. Theoretically it would seem he still had some chips
to play up until he was convicted and facing life-plus or had an
actual sentence handed down. Why the rush?
#5 Why would Jeffrey Epstein try to kill himself if he
was adjusting so well to prison life?
According to a
"prison insider" interviewed
by
the Daily Mail
, Epstein "seemed to be in good spirits" just
before his life ended
Epstein was in "good spirits" just before his "death" because
he just got word from his Mossad buddies that they were on the way
and he would be getting out of there and on his way to his new
life in Israel in just a couple of days.
Yes I thought this extremely odd...one just doesn't experience
"good spirits" while doing time in solitary, or just jail in
general, unless you know you're about to get out. Don't ask me
how I know..
Sources familiar with the correctional facility in question tell TMZ, there are
cameras in the Special Housing Unit -- the SHU -- but SOP is that cameras do not point into
the cells. We're told cameras capture, among other things, the doors to each cell to
determine if anyone walks in or out, but they don't point inside.
One source familiar with the facility says the drill is for guards to pass by each cell
in intervals ranging from 15 to 30 minutes depending on the circumstances.
Unless there's a one-off cell with a camera pointing inside -- and we're told there have
been rare situations where this is the case -- the time and manner of his death may
never be captured . TMZ
So rather than actually guard a suicidal prominent prisoner and make sure there is never
another attempt, NYC fed' prison just goofs off AND fails to record anything going on inside
the cell. That's just great.
But because there was no camera and because they took him off of suicide watch so quickly,
an *encouraged* suicide is a big possibility. Who had control over those things? Not holding
my breath for a thorough investigation.
@Corvinus Robert
Maxwell's role as "Israel's Super-Spy" was comprehensively and convincingly documented by
Gordon Thomas.
Maxwell's execution was carried out by Mossad because, as his business empire was
crumbling, he made the mistake to blackmail them for £400 millions.
Epstein's obvious link to Mossad is the background of Ghislaine Maxwell, as well as her
central involvement in organising and operating the blackmail paedophile ring.
Epstein's case was highly publicised in Europe, for many years, because of his association
with the UK's Duke of York; there never were any mention of President Trump.
I disagree re President Trump being blackmailed by Epstein: if that would have been the
case, the NeoCons wouldn't have needed to fabricate the ludicrous RussiaGate cock-and-bull
story.
While I have no problem believing that Mossad was Epstein's primary agency, I disagree with
Mr. Giraldi that CIA would have no reason to blackmail prominent Americans. Epstein's ties
with Maxwell certainly suggest a parallel career, but let's not overlook the obvious fact
that the CIA itself has long been a rogue agency ...
@YetAnotherAnon Just
read in a review of a Maxwell bio that it is thought that Maxwell thought he was headed for a
pickup of some cash he needed to cure his financial woes (that is the speculation of the
bio's authors, Gordon Thomas and someone else). Instead some Israeli ninjas boarded his
vessel, gave him a shot of something hehind the ear that took him out, and dumped him
overboard. This story, if true -- even if not true -- lends a certain piquance to the grand
guignol of the state funeral. Ghislaine may have known or suspected the truth. She hit the
grits for NY -- that is, left Israel. If I understand the story correctly. In one sense this
all sounds kind of weirdly sad, because that girl is obviously effed up bad from the get-go,
and one can't help wondering on what terms Zion owns her.
"... And at no point will there be any of the damage limitation that a trial, requiring and weighing evidence, would have put on the mushrooming of charges, rumours and speculations which has been taking and will continue to take place. ..."
"... In realistic terms the damage to the system of a few outliers, like Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew or Dershowitz being driven, red faced from public life, would be minimal. In fact it could easily be spun as am indication that the system worked and that, in the end, an obscure former masseur could be vindicated against Princes and ex-Presidents. ..."
The Epstein case is very simple: had a trial taken place-and proper trials are increasingly
rare in the USA, as the record of his Florida 'trial' shows- it had the potential of being
extremely embarrassing to a number of prominent and powerful people.
On the other hand, now that he is dead, there can be no limit to the enormous number of
allegations that can be made against him and them.
From the point of view of The Establishment, this death is far from convenient. It will
redound to the advantage of many individuals but in the long run it will contribute to an
increase in popular distrust of the entire system. And at no point will there be any of the
damage limitation that a trial, requiring and weighing evidence, would have put on the
mushrooming of charges, rumours and speculations which has been taking and will continue to
take place.
In realistic terms the damage to the system of a few outliers, like Bill Clinton, Prince
Andrew or Dershowitz being driven, red faced from public life, would be minimal. In fact it
could easily be spun as am indication that the system worked and that, in the end, an obscure
former masseur could be vindicated against Princes and ex-Presidents.
The danger is that this sordid but very routine 'scandal' will blot out real and important
matters that require public debate. How many US Presidents and English princes have not been
involved in the sort of things said to have been facilitated by Epstein? So far as Princes
go, I can think of none. And many of them, including future Kings, have done a lot worse
things than fuck teenage girls, though that has been routine for all who didn't prefer
boys.
It would be interesting to learn what lessons it is thought this affair should teach us?
Should the age of consent laws be revised to ban sexual relations between rich and poor? Or
to legislate against sexual partnerships involving an age differential of more than, say, ten
years?
Or should class society and the capitalist system, which commodifies everything and puts
the poor majority in positions in which they are vulnerable to prostitution, be abolished?
This would involve something a little more substantial than a lynch mob led by unprincipled,
loudmouth demagogues feeding off the obsessions and frustrations of the sexually
disfranchised.
These last we have had in America since the Pilgrim Fathers stumbled ashore, clutching
their Old Testaments angrily and looking for others to blame. And be punished.
As to the nonsense that Epstein has been spirited away, is not really dead and will, like
Merlin, one day return...that way madness lies.
"Mueller's Inquiry was never a serious search for truth is that at no stage was any independent forensic independence taken from
the DNC's servers, instead the word of the DNC's own security consultants was simply accepted as true. Finally no progress has been
made – or is intended to be made – on the question of who killed Seth Rich, while the pretend police investigation has "lost" his laptop.
"
"... Like the Wolfowitz explanation of the Iraq War, Russiagate is the idea around which varied interests can be organized. Cold Warriors like to hate on Russia. It justifies arms spending and their own importance. Clintonistas need an excuse to distract from her being a loser. The DNC needs an excuse for manipulating the candidate selection in favor of donor interests. "Moderates" need a distraction from their ongoing refusal to address the interests of voters. ..."
So, there we have it. Russiagate as a theory is as completely exploded as the appalling Guardian front page lie published by Kath
Viner and Luke Harding fabricating the "secret meetings" between Paul Manafort and Julian Assange in the Ecuadorean Embassy. But
the political class and the mainstream media, both in the service of billionaires, have moved on to a stage where truth is irrelevant,
and I do not doubt that Russiagate stories will thus persist. They are so useful for the finances of the armaments and security industries,
and in keeping the population in fear and jingoist politicians in power.
Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to
October 2004 and rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010.
michael , August 12, 2019 at 19:53
So far there is as much evidence presented that Martians interfered in the 2016 Election as RUSSIANS!!!
Just a much needed excuse to blow on the dying embers of the Cold War and get the nuclear weapons ready.
I'm still waiting for Robert Mueller to be tried for lying to Congress (when asked who hired him, instead of saying "I have no
idea", he said "Bush!" It is a matter of public record that Reagan hired him, a blatant lie! Is Michael Flynn out of jail yet?)
Drew Hunkins , August 12, 2019 at 14:49
" and I do not doubt that Russiagate stories will thus persist. They are so useful for the finances of the armaments and security
industries, and in keeping the population in fear and jingoist politicians in power "
They are also extremely useful as a scapegoat for the corporate warmongering DNC to camouflage the genuine reasons they lost
to Trump of all people.
Mark Thomason , August 12, 2019 at 10:34
Like the Wolfowitz explanation of the Iraq War, Russiagate is the idea around which varied interests can be organized.
Cold Warriors like to hate on Russia. It justifies arms spending and their own importance. Clintonistas need an excuse to distract
from her being a loser. The DNC needs an excuse for manipulating the candidate selection in favor of donor interests. "Moderates"
need a distraction from their ongoing refusal to address the interests of voters.
"Those whom the gods would destroy they first drive mad".
Larry Mofield , August 12, 2019 at 08:41
If Russia actually wanted to help someone win I think it would be Hilary because Trump is a plain shooter from the hip and
takes nothing off of nobody.
If anything Sanders should had sued the DNC and Hilary for rigging the DNC
Go figure why he has kept his mouth shut.
Bif Webster , August 12, 2019 at 11:13
Putin preferred Obama to his running mates as well. But you won't ever hear that on the corporate "news" media.
Others sued on behalf of Bernie. That case died in south Florida, near Wasserman-Schultz's district yeah, and the excuse was,
"The DNC is a 'private organization" and do what they like, apparently. However, the "judge" did not find it odd that a private
entity can run a public election? And how there's an obvious conflict of interest involved?
Bernie kept his mouth shut because he's inside the Belly of the Beast.
Martin , August 12, 2019 at 11:54
i think there was something of a lawsuit, but the judge decided that the rigging was an inside thing to which no external laws
applied. if you got a non-profit or a company and there's no internal rules that forbid the rigging of votes, rigging is not illegal.
the superdelegates still exist.
Seer , August 12, 2019 at 12:04
He kept his mouth shut because advancing "My Revolution" was more important. And, because he's NOT a Democrat: he's only "allowed"
to run as one: he is therefore a little more constrained. Had he lashed out he'd have NOT been allowed to run again as a Democrat
-- bank on that!
Tulsi Gabbard, on the other hand, is a Democrat, in which case she really couldn't be kicked out: it was she who acted as Bernie's
mouth on this matter.
Trump is a piece of crap. There's nothing straight about him at all. He's a con-man of the highest order. Other than give money
to the rich he's done nothing: and "nothing," is probably the best that could have been hoped for given that he could have started
some wars (he hasn't found one that he feels safe would not undermine his presidency, otherwise he'd be lighting it up). The reason
the guy is so good at firing people is because he's so crappy about firing them.
Oh yeah, I have not cast a single vote for anyone I have mentioned here.
evelync , August 12, 2019 at 13:20
Interesting question, Larry Mofield!
Bernie's not a stupid guy and I believe (as does Cornel West and Noam Chomsky) he's dedicated to policies that serve working people
and sustainability.(as I see it – reversing the NeoLiberal agenda in order to restore a level playing field for working people and also to shift
to a democratic, non imperial foreign policy.)
So why didn't he, let's call him "David", not aim his slingshot at the DNC, let's call it "Goliath"?
Probably because a single stone in a slingshot was hopeless. He was up against a massive corrupt network of hangers on, IMO,
who rabidly shouted down the person who dared to question Clinton's policies.
For an even more recent example of a delusional grandiose, imperial mind set, let's take the 200+ people affiliated with the
JFK School of Government at Harvard. The ones who accepted the School's shameful withdrawal of Chelsea Manning's honorary fellowship
because Pompeo and Morrell attacked it with Cold War rhetoric. Manning's crime? Telling people the truth about horrific wrongdoing
she witnessed in Iraq. When I emailed 200 people at the JFK School a shame-on-you letter I heard back from only one who chastised
(threatened) me for not understanding "National Security" .say what????) Others chimed in to agree with her. (I shared that email
with Robert Parry at the time and he emailed back that he didn't blame me for being outraged. He was such a wonderful person.)
So Bernie had the whole MSNBC related propaganda machine at his throat.
– think Mimi Rocah's recent "he makes my skin crawl" comment, knowing surely, that her words would be applauded over there.
and think all the people who have accepted since 2016 that the Russians cost Hillary Clinton the election in denial over the truth
– a flawed candidate who seemed to consider her constituency the big banks and the polluters and the war machine.
I know lifelong conservative Republicans who liked Bernie in 2016 and like him now because they find him truthful but didn't
trust Clinton and some voted for Trump in order to beat her.
This country is filled with a patronage network of well off established people including Democrats who believe everything's fine
as it is and are willing to shut their eyes to what's not working – the financial crisis of the working class, the racism underlying
the for profit prison system and immigration system, the horrific endless regime change wars and the massive deregulation of banks
on Bill Clinton's watch and much more, including the Climate Crisis.
It's taken almost 3 years to discredit what apparently was a faux "excuse" why Hillary Clinton lost. Too many voters in key
states didn't trust her to serve their interests because she clearly was an apparatchik for the MICIMATT.
Enough of Trump's voters were willing to gamble on this "unknown" character who piggy backed off what Bernie was saying at
the time – too bad he was lying ..
rosemerry , August 12, 2019 at 15:39
The whole suggestion has ignored any words and actions of Pres. Putin, who is careful to keep to the truth. He often stated
that he would accept whoever the US population chose (ie did not even want to lean towards the one claiming to desire better relations,
let alone interfere) because the difference between US administrations was small and policies unlikely to change in 2016. Because
the US constantly causes "régime change" does not mean that Russia does. The quick decision to "blame Russia" immediately after
Trump's win, activated by Obama expelling diplomats and stealing their US property, set the ball rolling and it has not stopped.
T he AP and no doubt other media are setting the stage for claiming that if Trump is reelected in 2020, the Russians again
were responsible. As HItler learned, repeat a lie often enough and it will assume the appearance of truth. It's not surprising
that the Democrats led by Hillary are behind this maneuver. The Dems have been blaming Russia ever since Truman did so in 1945.
Sally Snyder , August 12, 2019 at 08:05
As shown in this article, key Western countries including the United States have put in place a mechanism that is supposed
to protect us from election meddling:
Given the anti-Russia bias that took root and has become pervasive in the West since 2014 and, in particular, since the Hillary
Clinton loss in 2016 which is blamed on Russian-sourced disinformation, it is interesting to see that the G7 has been driven to
take extreme moves to battle what they see as an "evil Russia".
jdd , August 12, 2019 at 07:05
Devastating. A cogent and insightful analysis of Judge Koeltl's decision. Thank you Ambassador Murray.
Michaelevan Hammond , August 12, 2019 at 02:16
What's hilarious is that Binney was able to discern that the download was later split in two and then transmitted state side.
Think of when you download a movie or a file .. it doesn't come in 2 parts, you either download the whole thing or it is an error/fail.
Binney is able to show that the whole thing is one download at 49mbps impossible speed for transatlantic transmission .he absolute
fastest you can achieve over the cable is 29mbps ..plus there are 6-12 NSA monitoring junctions added to the cable to capture
such things and not one had any Russians attempting to "hack"(2001 term). It was all just deflection for Hillary and she may we'll
have selfishly killed the Dems party.
Realist , August 12, 2019 at 00:37
Russiagate is not "dead." It has more lives than a cat bitten by a vampire. It is permanently undead. The antithesis of a dead
parrot.
How many times does Rachel Maddow have to tell you? Anyone who did not vote for Hillary Clinton and refuses to back her never-ending,
constantly metamorphosing coup against Trump has got to be a Putin agent even Mitch McConnell. Check back tomorrow for the latest
Maddowsplaining on this and other bad crazyness.
Seer , August 12, 2019 at 12:07
I agree. The FACT that the US has been sanctioning Russia for the better part of 100 years pretty much tells it all. It's about
the West's ruling elite keeping Their game going: but, nothing lasts forever, and this game is about to run out on them (the perpetual
growth model, which has given them their power, is ending).
Realist , August 12, 2019 at 00:18
Unless he was being sarcastic, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough tweeted that the Russians were probably behind Jeff Epstein's "suiciding"
in the high security NYC federal lockup!
Anyone who truly believes that Epstein actually took his own life probably does still have a severe case of Putin Derangement
Syndrome, aka Russophrenia, Russiagate-itis, -osis or whatever ya wanna call it. Their minds cannot co-exist within both the Deep
State Matrix and objective reality at the same time. Blaming all evil in the world on Russia gives them license to act outside
conventional morality with impunity.
Mark Stanley , August 12, 2019 at 11:32
Yes, they are endeavoring to tip-toe around this one. If Epstein had started squealing, the excrement would really have hit
the fan. After his purported suicide, the smokescreen "conspiracy" word popped up immediately in every mainstream mention of Epstein.
If the populace found out about the deranged sexual practices of too many of the world's elites it would certainly upset the apple
cart–to use an American expression.
Seer , August 12, 2019 at 15:51
This IS VERY DEEP! First three parts of this most excellent four part series is available, starting with this one (Mint Press
also needs supporting).
After reading this I now understand why Trump won't release his tax returns.
Realist , August 12, 2019 at 18:12
Seer,
Probably, because like Romney, he didn't pay any.
Dershowitz's client Leonna Helmsley explained the principle decades ago: "Only the little people pay taxes." Probably as truthful
a description of the American system as you will ever hear. Sadly, it went down the memory hole because the media will never mention
it again. Investigative reporters like David Cay Johnston have to write individually researched books on the subject and hope
that the swamp creatures don't seek retribution against him some dark night.
The most the public is ever going to get in this world is perhaps a brief glimmer of the truth through the hard work and suffering
of individuals like Assange, Manning and a few other brave altruistic souls, but never justice. The system is set up to sacrifice
the lives of millions for the benefit of dozens.
I don't know Duch, but in Miro23 #200 comment I thought I heard the banker Ronald Bernard
(video) saying that after the Epstein episode, in the new batch of dollars printed the All
Seen Eye was shown in a new mode. In Murder We Trust and sometimes Suicide.
Despite strong evidence that he too participated in Epstein sex crimes, Alan Dershowitz
was allowed to lead the best legal dream team Mossad blackmail money could buy. Despite all
the proven facts surrounding this case, the Dershowitz dream team successfully "convinced"
the US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida to neither charge Epstein nor any of his
pimp co-conspirators with sex trafficking underage girls across state lines, and of course
nor dare prosecute any of the other frequent flying VIP child molester
The pit-bullish Dershowitz gang included Kenneth Starr, chief investigator from the
Clinton-Lewinsky soap opera who never fails to evoke the religious high moral ground yet in
the next breath claims he's more than happy to have gotten a pedophile-trafficker off.
Other hotshot aces in the hole were Florida trial lawyer Roy Black and star attorney
Gerald Lefcourt among others. Dershowitz and Lefcourt's letter to Acosta's office prior to
their successful plea bargain emphasized Epstein's super close ties to Bill and Hillary
Clinton, touting how the billionaire pedophile "co-founded" the infamous Clinton Foundation,
accused by philanthropy law expert Charles Ortel of being "the largest unprosecuted fraud in
history." Speaking of which, a whistleblower at a Swiss bank has revealed that Jeffrey
Epstein used his Swiss bank account to send Bill Clinton $3.5 million shortly after his
pedophilia probe began in 2005.
The philandering and pedophilia of elites and politicians clearly gave intelligence againces
significant leverage over many movers and shakers within Western establishments
@Haxo Angmark Why
would anyone have to bring down Trump? The man is fully compromised, a puppet and the FBI has
already likely 15 years of material on him as revealed in Kushner, Inc.
There is the possibility that Epstein functioned as a pass to the highest echelons: you
would compromise yourself by having intercourse with minors, let Epstein record it, hand it
over to Mossad and possibly other agencies he worked with. To show that you can be trusted.
Not unlike Unz himself suggested and exemplified by McCain.
But that is not necessary for Trump. Netanyahu gets everything he wants. And the whole
Trump campaign was a distraction, bankrolled by Sheldon Adelson and managed by a former AIPAC
guy and Christian Zionist and personal friend of Adelson Steve Bannon no less. Anyone who
still believes Trump is not part of the deepest filth of "the swamp" is delusional and
ignores way too many facts.
There is no left, no right. There is no democracy. There is an unelected oligarchy and its
political puppets. Long since bought and paid for before you and I were even born
@peterAUS Well, the
particularity with Epstein is: Many people did and are paying attention. Millions.
And the elite knows that we know. As you said it yourself: this was not just a
cover-up. It was a demonstration of power directed at us.
And they are laughing at us; as they are getting away; as they are taking every bit of
freedom and sovereignty away which the patriot act hadn’t already devoured, through
bipartisan decision of the system which should (theoretically) serve the people.
The Dystopia is also already here: the cold-blooded apathy with which the ruling class in
Britain treated victims as in Rotherham, the Savile case and now Epstein exposing their true
characters, and those are also the leaders and elites who lecture us on morality: Ghislaine
Maxwell -- save nature! Clinton Foundation, Mother Merkel… It’s disgusting.
And so many unthinkable theories which were declared “conspiracy theories”
about WW2, the aftermath and our current reality turn out to be true.
But I agree: the internet allowed us to decode the illusion of the media Matrix and its
artificial reality. And it is those possibilities which the ruling class wants to snuff out
for good. So that the monopoly to manufacture consent, truth and reality goes back to
them
Systemic elite kompromat shielded with arbitrary acts spanning all levels of government. Now
anybody who tells you this is a democracy, or an open society, or a free country, or any of
that shit, is either a mental defective or a pedo CP star in Comey’s personal Playpen
stash.
You can’t pretend we’re ever going to vote our way out of this. We’re
deep in the forcible-overthrow zone. If you aspire to rights or rule of law lots of CIA
vermin are going to have to be Ceaușescued.
@Bardon Kaldian‘…All pimps are criminals. But not all criminals are the same.’
Indeed. Some grow up in circumstances at least as dreadful as those of their victims, and
while they indeed need to be locked up, are to be pitied as well.
Others have been given perfectly decent lives, and are even affluent — and yet still
commit acts of depravity and cruelty.
These I have no sympathy for at all. Who is worse: the person who has never known a decent
life, or the person who has been offered it, but prefers moral depravity?
Jeffrey Epstein enjoyed chewing up unfortunate children and spitting them out like
sunflower husks when he was done. There was nothing keeping him from being a reasonably
decent, moral man.
During the ensuing decade since Epstein’s conviction, the seedy truth has slowly
trickled out, exposing the dark, twisted, perverse sex slave trafficking operation that
Epstein and his bevy of co-conspirators recruited child victims as sex slaves from poor
neighborhoods in Florida, New York, South America, Europe and Russia, including three
12-year old girls from France as a birthday gift. Incredibly, his procuring pimp
co-conspirators and scores of powerful pedo patrons were all granted immunity…
"... Who wouldn't have wanted him dead? First, was there a "deadman" switch to release his personal files? Second, what happens to his 'girlfriend'/procuress Ghiseline Maxwell? Does she 'retire' to Tel Aviv? Third, who takes control of the "Fantasy Island" complex in the Caribbean?Fourth, who does the autopsy, and will those records be sealed? ..."
"... Watch the Establishment attack dogs, aka the Main Stream Media, try to blame this on Trump. (I love the 'pair of jokers' you have up at the top of the post.) ..."
"... I am interested to see what kind of comments his lawyers make. (and who they might be affiliated with themselves) ..."
"... That level of efficiency in making people vanish may apply to bone-saw wielding employees of MBS, ..."
"... Who set him up making him believe it was safe to come back to the states? ..."
"... It had to be someone in government. ..."
"... Black and Apollo would been ruined forever if he was outed as a sex participant with Epstein's haram. ..."
"... And likely there are other big WS fish and financial world figures connected to Epstein that might even involve crimes other then sex with under age girls. Maybe actual sex trafficking or money laundering...his travel records show countries compatible with those activities. ..."
"... The conspiracy buffs will debate this for years. Most conspiracy theories can't pass muster with Occam's Razor. In this particular instance, believing this is an actual suicide is a stretch. ..."
"... Unbelievable, after the failed assassination attempt two weeks ago in my opinion. They actually had him in a cell with a mammoth crooked ex-cop who was in jail for murdering four people on a drug deal gone bad. And buried them in his backyard. This guy could break a neck in a second. ..."
"... The fact that Ghislaine Maxell is running around free as a bird is insane. ..."
"... I told my wife two weeks ago, that Jeffrey Epstein would never live long enough to stand trial. Far too many wealthy political and investment creeps of all political stripes seemed to have been involved with him for years. I did not think there was any chance that those individuals would want him to testify in public. ..."
"... The SDNY released a statement that the Epstein investigation including the conspiracy charge remains open and will continue. No one has a standing to challenge the search warrant on Epstein's house. ..."
"... Epstein may have been lured back to the US with some cover story of a get-out-of-jail fake death -- only the powers that be had decided to terminate his contract. ..."
This creep was on suicide watch in a jail in lower Manhattan after having been treated for traumatic injuries suffered in the
same cell two weeks ago? Were there no cameras? What did he hang himself with? The bed sheets in a case like this are manufactured
to be not strong enough to suspend an adult body.
This looks very suspicious to this old spook. Who wanted him silenced? Cui Bono?
Who wouldn't have wanted him dead? First, was there a "deadman" switch to release his personal files? Second, what
happens to his 'girlfriend'/procuress Ghiseline Maxwell? Does she 'retire' to Tel Aviv? Third, who takes control of the "Fantasy
Island" complex in the Caribbean?Fourth, who does the autopsy, and will those records be sealed?
Watch the Establishment attack dogs, aka the Main Stream Media, try to blame this on Trump. (I love the 'pair of jokers'
you have up at the top of the post.)
'I will believe it...When I see the DNA and Autopsy..Photos..and Other Forensic Evidence....''
If he was killed that part of the investigation/report was predetermined in advance. And his previous suicide attempt would
have been part of the set up to his actual death.
I am interested to see what kind of comments his lawyers make. (and who they might be affiliated with themselves)
I thought they would have been more proactive and whacked him before he got raided and arrested and then worked with the estate
to remove and disappear all incriminating materials he had stashed. So what happens to all of that stuff now? The feds disappear
it? Trump admin uses it against its enemies?
You mean doing that as a matter of principle regardless of the elapsed time since his 'heyday' ? That level of efficiency
in making people vanish may apply to bone-saw wielding employees of MBS, however US standards seemed to have slipped in many
ways.
Good questions. I think the information is now even more difficult to bury after this though.
I would guess if anyone had him killed they did so by getting him off suicide watch, or in to a low level of suicide watch.
Killing a high-profile inmate in protective custody is very tricky business even for the Mafia. They typically are limited to
exacting revenge once the inmate is in general pop.
Devil's advocacy:
There was no great risk of Epstein talking. The prosecutors had little or no leverage on Epstein, who sure as hell wasn't
eligible for another Acosta deal. They could offer him nothing. Can't see Epstein seeing any benefit to himself for squealing
on anyone, and he was probably aware that no matter what the only way he was getting out was feet-first.
The friends and clients of Epstein thought they were in the clear. Remember, he flew back into the states voluntarily. In re
Trump, if his hands and other parts are clean he should pursue the investigation of this death all the way.
Yes, you are a Dutch marxist evidently living in Amsterdam. this is not political. This IMO is some rich person or group trying
to silence him about his sex crimes and their role in them..
I agree. There were billions of dollars at risk on what Epstein could tell. Besides Lex Wexner of L Brands who now (15 years after
the fact) says Epstein stole $45 million from him which he made no effort to get back there was Leon Black.
''Leon D. Black, head of Apollo Global Management one of the world's largest private equity firms Black's links to Epstein
have become a source of concern to some Apollo employees and investors, including the California Public Employees' Retirement
System, which has committed more than $5 billion to 11 Apollo funds and is its second-largest shareholder.
Black and Apollo would been ruined forever if he was outed as a sex participant with Epstein's haram.
And likely there are other big WS fish and financial world figures connected to Epstein that might even involve crimes
other then sex with under age girls. Maybe actual sex trafficking or money laundering...his travel records show countries compatible
with those activities.
That is a real interesting question Fred. Someone in Epstein's position would be catastrophically complacent not to have had a
dead hand mechanism of some kind to spill the beans in the event of his 'accidental' death and to have widely communicated that
fact to all concerned.
The conspiracy buffs will debate this for years. Most conspiracy theories can't pass muster with Occam's Razor. In this particular
instance, believing this is an actual suicide is a stretch.
Unbelievable, after the failed assassination attempt two weeks ago in my opinion. They actually had him in a cell with
a mammoth crooked ex-cop who was in jail for murdering four people on a drug deal gone bad. And buried them in his backyard. This
guy could break a neck in a second.
Then after this failed attempt knowing everybody in the world is watching and very suspicious of the first suicide attempt
they kill him anyway,
That is power. The true power of the world. Impressive. They don't care what you think.
There is something very curious about this. It is also very convenient for a lot of prominent people, which makes it highly suspicious.
Now we will see if the explanation will be a Pulitzer worthy fiction.
Funny you should say that. Perhaps unsurprisingly there is already speculation the body is not his. The NYP published a couple
of shots of 'Epstein' on a gurney so judge for yourself, the second has a reasonable shot of his profile. Far fetched it may be,
but if he does have the insurance policy Fred alludes to and it truly untouchable it may be the only way to silence him.
Are reporters or photographs usually allowed in the emergency intake areas of hospitals? With all the "Restricted" signs posted
I wouldn't think so.. yet one was.
I don't normally jump on conspiracy theories but too many things about this suicide don't pass the smell test.
Or.. what better way to enter witness protection after doing a deal? Epstein's 'body' should be expected to be identified by a
relative & cremated in short order in this case.
Does "suicide watch" mean watch the guy commit suicide ? Such a high profile case and still they got to him - I wonder if more
witnesses and/or involved will also say goodbye cruel world?
But one thing is obvious: from beginning to end, this had nothing to do with Jews, Judaism, or Israel. Such a notion should
be unheard of, absurd, unthinkable.
Anyone who suggests otherwise is a rabid, disgusting, unhinged purveyor of the most loathsome, grotesque and vile anti-Semitic
stereotypes, canards and tropes
So Kubrick was correct in shedding light on perverse sexual rituals enjoyed by the upper strata of society in his "Eyes Wide Shut"?
Who thought it would be even darker than depicted, with pedophiliac high net worth investment bankers and child slave trafficking
and rape islands...
It's good to know the leadership class of society is nothing more than sexual predators and deviants.
I doubt she is running around free. She closed her NGO ( Which gave her some respect amongst the who's who) two weeks after Epstein
was arrested and must be in Europe since she is both French and British
An interesting comparison: Phil Graham "
committed suicide " after grossly
insulting his wife, Katharine Graham,
(supposedly he called her,
in public, a "Jewish cow" ) claiming he was going to divorce her and take control of the Washington Post . (Note that
Phil controlled 70% of the controlling stock, Katharine 30%, even though Katharine's father, Eugene Meyer, was the one who gave
them the stock.
One can only imagine how betrayed Katharine and her friends felt she was.) In any case, Phil was declared insane,
but was released to spend some time on the family estate. There he found a shotgun which just happened to be lying loose, and
killed himself (or so we are told).
Acosta's comments when being cleared by the Trump transition team. He was asked "Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem
[for confirmation hearings]?" "Acosta testified that he'd had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He'd cut the non-prosecution
deal with one of Epstein's attorneys because he had 'been told' to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. 'I was told
Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.'"
And why has no one, even hot to trot investigative reporters asked Acosta WHO told him that? WHO would be the key to why the
Florida trial let Epstein off so easy.
Is there a relationship between Epstein and the Apollo theft of nuclear materials by Israel? I have read this, but Epstein was
only 12 years old when it happened.
a smart person, determined to act can almost always find a way to carry out the deed. And a shrewd person, determined to help
him facilitate the act, can often find ways to assist. And that point the prison trustee system's legendary efficacy and creativity
kicks in. A wild card in this. And their primary motivation is money.
We didn't have to wait long. I don't think we will ever hear from Maxwell again either. Her continued existence depends on a fine
judgment on what she knows and how keen she is to shut up.
I told my wife two weeks ago, that Jeffrey Epstein would never live long enough to stand trial. Far too many wealthy political
and investment creeps of all political stripes seemed to have been involved with him for years. I did not think there was any
chance that those individuals would want him to testify in public.
My guess is that The Florida reporters whose persistent investigation really led to the Epstein arrest and investigation will
redouble their efforts to get to the bottom of this whole affair.
The SDNY released a statement that the Epstein investigation including the conspiracy charge remains open and will continue.
No one has a standing to challenge the search warrant on Epstein's house.
Everything is admissible against any other defendant without the possibility of a motion to suppress. Epstein's death, no matter
who's to blame, won't stop a thing. Perhaps Bad Bill and Dirty Don will end up sharing a cell or a motel room in a non-extradition
country, along with a host of others.
This does significantly strain the overall credibility of the system, among those who would like nothing more than to believe
in it, but still have some conscience and working brain cells.
Yet having been raised fairly rural, with a significant respect for the natural cycles, this is nothing so much as watching
necrotic tissue decay even further. Only for those raised in fairly sterile conditions, does it seem abnormal.
What hopefully happens now is called "diffusion of responsibility". The AG is suitably "appalled". We find that the dumbest prison
guard in the history of New York was rostered on that night. He was called away to the telephone- by what proved to be an overseas
telemarketing call. The paper records got jammed in the printer. The supervisor had a flat tire on the way to work. The computer
broke down. You know the drill.
I said "hopefully" because if an investigation discovers a perpetrator, then they will be dead in short order too. You always
remove two links between victim and murderer. That way the crime is impossible to investigate.
What this now means in practical terms is that HRC is free to run again for President.
Epstein may have been lured back to the US with some cover story of a get-out-of-jail fake death -- only the powers that be
had decided to terminate his contract.
Jeffrey Epstein, the financier indicted on sex trafficking charges last month, committed suicide at a Manhattan jail, officials
said on Saturday.
Mr. Epstein hung himself and his body was found this morning at roughly 7:30.
This news will come as a relief to a lot of rich and powerful people. There were a lot of them who had an interest in seeing Epstein
dead. He tried to commit suicide once. He should have been on suicide watch. How the hell was he in a position to do this? Who allowed
this to happen?
He will not now be tried for sex trafficking. Does this mean that the Epstein files will not be opened? That we will never know
which wealthy, well-connected people he serviced?
This can't be right. That information has to be released. Let them all burn, these people.
It would sure be nice if the one thing the left and right could come to some consensus on is the depravity and selfishness of
the elites and take them down a notch.
Do you think your vote really matters? It doesn't virtually all public policy is dictated by an untouchable global elite who
have amassed wealth and power beyond imagination. Our societies are headed in the exact direction they want them to: rampant consumerism,
expanded corporate power concentrated in the hands of the few, increasingly depraved views of sex and sexuality, sex as a commodity,
the destruction of communities and families for profit, death worship with abortion on one end of life and euthanasia on the other,
open borders for the cheapest and easiest possible labor force (including sex slaves), a permanent war economy driven by corrupt
oligarchs...
We are sick. Our institutions are sick. Make no mistake, God surely judges America as harshly as any of the "evil empires"
it has fought. "God bless America"? Ha! Not for long.
Truly, I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this is ridiculous. In fact, there were warnings voiced weeks ago that the guy might
conveniently commit "suicide" rather than be allowed to publicly finger some powerful people whose names had come up in connection
with the sickening criminal services he provided.
You know, our rulers don't even care about appearances anymore. They're above the law, they know it, we know it, and they don't
care that we know it -- because they're confident there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
It actually reminds me of the bishops in the Catholic Church, definitely to include the head guy in Rome, who no longer bother
to disguise their lies, so convinced are they of their own immunity from the consequences. I mean, really, the arrogance and corruption
of the two leadership classes, one secular and one religious, are similar in nature.
Oh wait, now comes word the FBI is on the case. Yeah, now the bad guys are in big trouble.
Yes, by all means we need a "thorough, transparent" investigation as Dr.George wrote. But where is there anyone in public life
whose "integrity is beyond question?" I read that the FBI will supposedly "investigate." The FBI was politicized long ago and
is no longer to be trusted. I shudder at the possibility that authorities may have already known about this guy and his big-shot
"clients" but kept it under wraps either because they themselves were fearful of being implicated or-if they genuinely wanted
justice to be done-they were fearful of becoming the victim of some "button man."
Is it any wonder that people suspect the existence of a so-called "Deep State?" Is it any wonder that people believe that the
United States is slowly dissolving into an Orwellian nightmare.
Epstein didn't commit suicide; he was murdered. Clearly one or more parties that move in the highest echelons of the global elite
decided Epstein wasn't a problem worth having. There is no other reasonable explanation.
I don't usually go full tinfoil hat mode, but this whole thing stinks. Many people were predicting his demise. Largely due to
the number of high profile people who flew to his private island, and might have been compromised in so me way. Even how he got
his wealth seems on the sketchy side.
So I wonder if he was taken off suicide watch and met his demise for the convince of those powerful people.
Other accounts I've read indicate he was on suicide watch. It'll be amazing if we ever get a straight answer even to
that question, let alone any others.
Mark it down, the truth won't come out. No connected member of our nomenklatura will ever face any real penalty.
There will be an "investigation" which will be the typical whitewash and no one will be stupid enough to believe it except reporters
for the NYT. We all knew it was going to happen.
Do not expect any information from that investigation to be released. The people who can do that love their families and do
not want anything really bad to happen to them. The concern will all evaporate in the next mass shooting which is probably being
scheduled at this moment.
Napoleon said one should not blame conspiracy for events that can be ascribed to incompetence, but it is hard not to see the workings
of conspiracy here. At the very least the officials responsible for enabling the suicide wanted to ingratiate themselves with
certain powerful people and expect to be protected and rewarded. Perhaps they will be hired by the Clinton foundation to investigate
prison safety
Right away, this is one of the worst scandals in U.S. History. It confirms every thought ordinary people have of the thorough,
absolute corruption of American and British elites. To hell with them all. Let it all burn.
This is a perfect opportunity to talk about so-called conspiracy theories and the media. Honest question: Does anybody here believe
that the mainstream media is going to report even 1/4 of the real story to the public? My inclination is that Epstein is a Mossad
asset, but who knows. It does seem obvious, though, that there is another universe that exists beneath the surface here and the
mainstream media is not going to explore it. But we can all smugly laugh at alternative media platforms that speculate about Epstein.
A dead Epstein has put his clients in a far worse position than they were when he was alive.
All the protections he had while alive evaporate when he died. So... all that evidence from his NYC Mansion, his private Island,
his New Mexico ranch, becomes admissible in every and any court proceeding. There is no one with standing who can block that evidence
from being presented.
If someone had him killed, which I don't believe, they made a huge mistake.
However, that having been said, I would very much like to see the report which took him off of suicide watch. A report has
to be filed by the head psychologist when a prisoner is taken off of suicide watch, and that report can't be written unless there
has been a face to face meeting. Someone has some explaining to do.
It is also inexcusable that he was placed in a cell which contained fixtures from which he could hang himself.
The Cliché padded cell, or any sale intended for such high-risk inmates will have smooth walls and no horizontal hook, bar, or
other item usable to attempt hanging. I have a little patience for conspiracy theories, yet this can neither be called unavoidable
nor an accident.
As per usual, the "world's smallest man" had to wade in -- "Trump retweets post implying Bill Clinton behind Jeffrey Epstein's
death": "President Trump added fuel to the conspiracy theories surrounding multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide
on Saturday when he retweeted a post that implied former President Bill Clinton was linked to Epstein's death."
https://www.foxnews.com/pol...
Rod, why kill Epstein if the files have all the incriminating information in them? Look for lots of it go missing now that the
source is dead. In dribs and drabs it will go into the shredders until anything truly incriminating is gone. Considering the scope,
this really needs a congressional investigation but with the Dems in charge of Congress I won't hold my breath.
Rod, please put suicide in quote marks, as the evidence is overwhelming neither the first 'suicide attempt' nor the successful
death of Epstein were actual suicides. Epstein himself reportedly told guards he didn't try to kill himself the first time 3 weeks
ago, but that someone tried to kill him.
Given the reports that he was taken off suicide watch, the 24-7 cameras 'malfunctioned', and the 24-7 guards were taken off
duty for 'maintenance', it is simply not credible to report this as a genuine suicide. This is as crass and blatant a potential
murder as anything Putin has done to his opponents.
The Clinton curse strikes again.
N.B. The Mueller report has tainted the FBI's investigations so much, its hard to know who to have investigate Epstein's death,
to maintain credibly with all sides politically in the US. Signs of a society crumbling fast.
Sure, they'll do an investigation. They'll investigate:
- specific prison rules regarding "suicide watch"
- the increasing need for mental health care for aging inmate populations
- minute specifics regarding when they grant immunity to "witnesses" who happen to also be offenders
the MAY even throw one or two minor people under the bus - the guy at the prison who didn't fill out form 817b_cd5 correctly
etc
What they won't talk about is the pedophile blackmail ring apparently being run by Israeli intelligence and organized crime
which has obviously compromised our very form of government. That topic won't be investigated.
A former prosecutor pointed out that this may be bad news for his associates in crime. He was the only person with standing to
challenge the searches down at his residences, so the investigators have full reign of materials, which has to freak out those
associates
"... The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends. ..."
"... " Epstein's suicide ," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment. " ..."
"... Although I don't really know why anyone would want that unless of course a bargain was made and there was an 'insurance file'? ..."
was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand,
why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to produce
a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of hours and produce
anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in court will be zero. The
mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is
in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end. up 31 users have voted. --
"I cannot ignore reality, but I can embrace beauty." -- magiamma
@WoodsDweller
Any remaining loose ends will just be ignored in future "reporting."
Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one
hand, why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just
to produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple
of hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence
in court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of
whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose
ends.
Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand,
why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to
produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of
hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in
court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever
is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end.
@detroitmechworks
"They say you should only speak good of the dead. (s)He's dead. Good."
#3 Have they decided
that because he was such a staunch supporter of Israel any further investigation is clearly anti-semitic in nature?
I'm willing to lay money on that one coming out.
Funny how fast "RWNJ"'s have a complete conspiracy theory all set up and ready to go! Actually they didn't. They just have
a term for how this always just mysteriously seems to happen for the Clinton's Benefit. They Call it Arkancide...
Symptoms include being a political enemy or "traitor" to the Clintons. So, every time something happens that fits the pattern...
It's of course a conspiracy theory to mention that it happened.
This make extradition to the US significantly more difficult for political prisoners. My dog is upside down because I know
Assange will be murdered if he is extradited to the US. Perhaps the rest of the world will begin to act accordingly with respect
to their extradition treaties.
They always manage to get away with it, don't they?
"
Epstein's suicide ," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment.
"
With many high-powered men -- including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United
Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz -- implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending
his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories
about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein
I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be
able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to
be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
If he is in witness protection program, how would we ever know? Would he reappear to testify? How does this work? What doesn't
make sense if that after being found 'unconscious and in the fetal position' that he wasn't placed on suicidal watch, unless of
course it never was that as he supposedly claimed.
After last nights trove of released docs, naming names, this actually makes more sense.
If someone cared about the risk to his life or should I say testimony.
Out of curiosity, I've checked Q too, but nothing since Chan's went down.
And I'm NOT saying he's in WP, but it is interesting. It's a bit more likely than him being taken off suicide watch then accidentally
ignored while there was a camera malfunction.
@k9disc
He copted a deal. If so, we will never know and he's not ever coming back. CT's of course, but that's what 'they' left us with
after proclaiming the defendant dead.
She received immunity as a witness, but
could still be charged if the plea deal was found to be improper or she lied under oath. Bet she did. The question is now, will
the Feds even go there? Bet they won't.
by the same powers that protected Epstein during the first trial. 40 under aged girls accused them of making them perform for
their high up friends and Epstein was only charged for prostitution with a 17 year old girl while Ghislaine got off with no charges.
The files that were just released are from 2015 when Ghislaine and Virginia Guiffre settled the case between them. There are
more than one investigations into the plea deal IIRC. The federal one that will look at what Acosta did and one in Florida. I
think SDNY is involved in one too and it will be interesting to see if any of them go forward now that he's dead. I just find
the timing a bit too convenient. First off why was he arrested out of the blue a few months ago? He had to know that everything
was being looked at again and yet he just flies back into the country without a care in the world? Then we hear about the sealed
files being released after being told a few weeks ago that they wouldn't be? Strange.. and today he's dead. I literally LOL this
morning when I saw this. I just said, "of course he is."
Oh well. Webb's next report comes out next week and she has ties to Clinton in it. I'll post it when it does.
No matter
how powerful they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole
operation under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness
is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.
I have no doubt about that. There has long been talk about child sex trafficking, but it really flared up during the last election,
but it was tied to Hillary and called PedoGate. Then lots of celebrities committed suicide out of the blue by hanging themselves
with something tied to doorknobs. The chef was one of them. Anthony Bourdain?
See the links I posted below and they pretty much agree with what you said. I just read them and I really don't know what to
think. But after the Haiti earthquake a woman tried to remove 30 children who she said were orphans, but many were not. She was
arrested and the Clintons got her an attorney. This was in 2010.
This crap has been going on for decades. I've posted Whitney Webb's essays if you're interested in seeing what she has written.
Ghislaine might really be in Israel right now. I've seen this on more than this site.
she still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful
they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation
under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness
is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.
@snoopydawg
@snoopydawg.
She's facing the same limitations in the public record all of us are. I wonder what an experienced reporter at the NYT or WSJ
might be able to turn up if the editors weren't taking a "I don't want to go there and really don't want to know" attitude toward
this story. By virtually ignoring it for so long, if they actually dug anything up now, it would only make their previous inactivity
more obvious. Everybody, including the FBI, has the same incentive to just continue to pretend there's nothing else to see.
Plus, the Feds obviously haven't been completely ignorant of this, but have a stake in protecting their own information gathering
operations that have been watching the other watchers, domestic and foreign, for decades. This is one of the largest and most
"productive" cooperative international, interagency surveillance and entrapment operations ever.
Nobody wants to be responsible for finally shutting it down and mopping up the mess left behind. That cleanup is just starting
and it will be a huge job that nobody is really prepared to carry out. Very messy, and a sure career killer for anyone who touches
it.
I have no doubt about that. There has long been talk about child sex trafficking, but it really flared up during the
last election, but it was tied to Hillary and called PedoGate. Then lots of celebrities committed suicide out of the blue
by hanging themselves with something tied to doorknobs. The chef was one of them. Anthony Bourdain?
See the links I posted below and they pretty much agree with what you said. I just read them and I really don't know
what to think. But after the Haiti earthquake a woman tried to remove 30 children who she said were orphans, but many were
not. She was arrested and the Clintons got her an attorney. This was in 2010.
This crap has been going on for decades. I've posted Whitney Webb's essays if you're interested in seeing what she has
written. Ghislaine might really be in Israel right now. I've seen this on more than this site.
#7.1.1.1.4.1 she
still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful they are,
this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation under wraps.
It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness is over. Odds are,
she's also facing termination.
That would be making a silk purse from a pigs ear wouldn't it? But I doubt it's likely to deter them in the least.
Your enemy is the thoroughly corrupt US government.
The people have surrendered their power to the State long ago. The State can only be challenged by a coalition of other States.
The way that people rescue themselves is by immigration. Just the way you got here. Sensible and sensitive people are leaving.
There is always a way to do this, with and without assets, if you truly object to living in a pig's ear.
Only one thing that matters is true. It will be a pig's ear and then an economic disaster for a very long time to come. No
one should want to live through that. Run as fast as you can.
To prevent the deep creeps from having their dirty laundry exposed?
Soon as he was jailed, it was pretty obvious he would not be allowed to testify.
Like Julian, the truth is no more acceptable than the facts.
Welcome to the fascist criminal enterprise system.
Brush up against a biggie and your future is gone.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously
under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
@on
the cusp Clearly he was not on suicide watch because he was not suicidal and the previous suicide attempt was a murder
attempt by a Trump supporter trying to prevent the cover up...
I just find it funny that a lot of people on all sides of the aisle are very happy at this turn of events, because it will
soon come out that all the allegations were all the fault of an UNJUSTLY persecuted donor who we need to respect and honor...
(IOW, they'll whitewash what they can't sweep under the rug, and all his money will stay exactly where it is.)
I'm not claiming it's an established fact. But I suppose he was, and my supposition is not without logical foundation. Could
it be wrong? Yeah. But I'd have to see the evidence of that.
As with 9/11, the tell will be how the establishment responds to this event. If it's a simple suicide, then information will
come out about his activities post-mortem, if not in court, then in the press. If it's a murder to cover up others' involvement,
there will likely be little or nothing released and we will be moved along to other things.
As for "a Trump supporter," I have no idea "which side" took out a hit on him. It could have been done by any regular passenger
on his jet. They were all wealthy and powerful, yes? Epstein didn't seem like the kind of guy to slum it by bringing 99%-ers on
the Lolita Express.
#10 Clearly he
was not on suicide watch because he was not suicidal and the previous suicide attempt was a murder attempt by a Trump supporter
trying to prevent the cover up...
I just find it funny that a lot of people on all sides of the aisle are very happy at this turn of events, because it will
soon come out that all the allegations were all the fault of an UNJUSTLY persecuted donor who we need to respect and honor...
(IOW, they'll whitewash what they can't sweep under the rug, and all his money will stay exactly where it is.)
@Steven
D at the same time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide". At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he
had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.
@on
the cusp They'll claim Deepfake and prosecute anybody who displays knowledge of it because it's child pornography. We're
faced with the horrible situation of the evidence being a crime to possess or see.
#10.2 at the same
time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide". At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned
out to have zero value.
@on
the cusp
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time,
those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it and
pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think he was
smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
#10.2 at the same
time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide".
At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.
@Deja
My point was that if, for example, Mossad had paid for him to engage in the blackmail scheme, he could have used that
against them. What other security did he have for all these years?
#10.2.1
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time,
those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it
and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think
he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
@Deja
in far less of a credible blackmail position when he was taken behind bars. A few phone calls by the would-be blackmailees,
and the blackmail problem is solved. Possibly this happened here, who knows.
Esquire is reporting
that a few days before his death he was taken off suicide watch. Which makes his sudden demise even more curious.
#10.2.1
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time,
those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it
and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think
he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
@wokkamile
But never fear, Barr is having the IG look into it.
Good lawd!
I read elsewhere of people not believing that he's really dead; so someone posted pics of him being wheeled into the hospital.
Do people's hands and lower arms turn jaundice yellow after death by hanging? The apparent bruising or dark areas at left temple
region and left ear could be explained away, I suppose, but yellow hands and arms, in complete contrast to color of stomach and
face seems odd to me.
In case anyone else is interested, here are the 2 images originally published by the New York Post. I can't post a link to
imagur on this site that works for some reason so here's a link to the reddit thread I found them on. Click the imagur link to
zoom in. I couldn't zoom on the nypost link. https://www.reddit.com/r/Anoneumou5e/comments/coizj0/comment/ewih0ng
#10.2.1.2 in far
less of a credible blackmail position when he was taken behind bars. A few phone calls by the would-be blackmailees, and the
blackmail problem is solved. Possibly this happened here, who knows.
Esquire is reporting
that a few days before his death he was taken off suicide watch. Which makes his sudden demise even more curious.
@snoopydawg
Also, I stumbled across a Twitter feed where ppl were saying that the head is a whole lot larger than the heads of the medics
and the unmarked guard guy.
Others think it's not him, but a lookalike actor because his eyes are closed and hands in the position they're in. I just wonder
why the hands are yellow.
Lots of people not believing it's even him, let alone that he's really dead.
Has Q resurfaced since 8chan was censored? I'd be curious to know what he has to say about all of this.
@on
the cusp
because they had to say that in order to explain how he was able to commit suicide.
But...now he's suicidal, now he's not?
Can't have it both ways.
Sounds like they are trying to pull rabbits out of a hat.
Now you see it, now you don't.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously
under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously
under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
@on
the cusp It has exclusive bathing beaches and basks in warm weather year round. You might find the other tenants to be
a bit testy at times, however.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously
under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
Back when Epstein was arrested, I wondered why NOW? I know the Miami Herald was investigating the case for some time, victims
were pursing justice in civil court, and the "me too" movement was now on the radar, but.....I've learned over time that in politics,
one can't always trust their own eyes.
@snoopydawg
Please explain your obscure reference. I concocted an opinion as to what this means. Do you concur?
VIA = Very Important Assholes
Or did you mean any of the following
Vehicle Internal Architecture
Vicenza Institute of Architecture (very close to my daughter's swamp in FL.)
Valencia Industrial Association
Versatile Integrated Avionics
Visual Immunoassay
or any of the dozen + other listed recognized acronyms.
Every poster should be cognizant that their favored acronyms are neither universally beloved or even recognized by many readers.
The first time an acronym is used, outside of the widely understood ones, should be explained in full before assigning an acronym
to them. I do not upvote any essay or comment which uses arcane, obscure, or indefinite acronyms. Your comment gets the same from
me--no approval. Reveal your meaning and I might reconsider.
It is disturbing that a powerful billionaire accused of sex trafficking minors, who was already on suicide watch, has died
while in federal custody, his many secrets about other powerful men going with him to the grave. This sounds like something
that would happen in Russia, no?
Hear me out! It would be JUST LIKE ALIENS! You know, framing completely innocent humans for multilevel blackmail schemes involving
secret alien hybrids! I mean, nobody would believe that suicides linked to a powerful human would be actually coincidence, and
thus they'd naturally suspect the most good and pure among them, ensuring that when the Trump Doppleganger clone finishes the
preparations for selling us all into the intergalactic slave market they wouldn't resist, instead believing that their best chance
was actually evil!
Replace Jesus and Israel for the pertinent bits, and you'll have something close to what the conspiracy theory we're supposed
to be believing in is... I think.
The aliens are just framing the Russians right to take the blame on this? Yeah, I have long thought that little grey aliens
were laughing their little grey butts off at the foolishness of humans.
Hear me out! It would be JUST LIKE ALIENS! You know, framing completely innocent humans for multilevel blackmail schemes
involving secret alien hybrids! I mean, nobody would believe that suicides linked to a powerful human would be actually coincidence,
and thus they'd naturally suspect the most good and pure among them, ensuring that when the Trump Doppleganger clone finishes
the preparations for selling us all into the intergalactic slave market they wouldn't resist, instead believing that their
best chance was actually evil!
Replace Jesus and Israel for the pertinent bits, and you'll have something close to what the conspiracy theory we're supposed
to be believing in is... I think.
It is disturbing that a powerful billionaire accused of sex trafficking minors, who was already on suicide watch, has
died while in federal custody, his many secrets about other powerful men going with him to the grave. This sounds like something
that would happen in Russia, no?
As someone who remembers the Cold War, I don't recall that ever being part of the propaganda.
It is disturbing that a powerful billionaire accused of sex trafficking minors, who was already on suicide watch, has
died while in federal custody, his many secrets about other powerful men going with him to the grave. This sounds like something
that would happen in Russia, no?
white supremacist and supporting Nazis. Never mind that Nazis killed some of Putin's family and 27 million Russians. The Russia
phobia is out of control in the people who buy into Russia Gate. Every thing that goes wrong in this country is because Putin
is trying to tear it down. Did you see Harris tried to blame Kaepernick kneeling on Russia?
Maybe someone who Tweets (snoopy?) can go get the actual tweet of Slick Willie asking how many more people have to die (gun
reform) and someone replied with a pic of Slick and Epstein. I found it on Reddit r/conspiracy:
Gaslight Nation: A History of Reality Management in the 21st Century
Shit is bizarre, right now, and we're being told it's normal. On nearly all fronts.
I can't help but see it as national gaslighting. What are we supposed to make of this as a people? Our collective consciousness
is completely fractured - and it has been done deliberately - we're being challenged on what reality even is, at multiple levels
at once.
Man, do I wish I had cookie crumbs to all the important pieces I've read over the years... This Suskind piece is one that I
often recall, special thanks to c99p for the push to return to it:
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe
that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment
principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire
now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll
act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors
. . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/faith-certainty-and-the-pres...
That's life in America. The reality of Jeffrey Epstein, child trafficker to the Masters of the Universe, will be whatever they
say it is. And if you don't like it, you're a Russian Troll trafficking in Conspiracy Theories.
Deep fakes were an inoculation or vaccine for any Epstein cooties that might escape his untimely "suicide". And I'm quite tempted
to write Arkancide, but that would make me a Russian Troll.
@k9disc
@k9disc
@k9disc
There are, we presume a lot , maybe hundreds, of wealthy and powerful people who were facing exposure in the Epstein affair.
Singling out the Clintons because you have a particular hate-on for them is itself not reality-based, it's just promoting
the people whom you most want to have been responsible to the top of the list, and then crossing out the rest of the list.
Mind you, despite being normally very skeptical about the CT-du-jour, I think in this case the most likely truth is indeed
that someone had JE removed from the scene. Among other outcomes, I'm guessing that there are some dozens of 20-something and
30-something women out there who suddenly sense that their own continued breath-drawing is precarious and is possibly conditional
on certain choices they might make.
In any case, it hardly matters -- we will never know who gave the order, if such an order was in fact given, so there's no
real point in fervently speculating. About all we can do is push for a full investigation, the absence of a defendant notwithstanding.
I note that [EDIT, i typed the wrong name] Ms. Giuffre is suing Dershowitz for defamation. Dershowitz is an arrogant, merciless,
meanspirited motherfucker, and a very successful trial lawyer, but discovery is as discovery does. It will be interesting to see
what comes out of all this. I find it interesting that both Mitchell and Richardson deny having ever met Giuffre -- as if she
would have ever even heard of either of them, had they not. I don't know what Dershowitz has said, but whatever it is I presume
it's a lie. The notion that she would have somehow come up with such a random hodgepodge of individuals (Pritzker and Prince Andrew
etc) without ever having interacted with them is not credible.
Gaslight Nation: A History of Reality Management in the 21st Century
Shit is bizarre, right now, and we're being told it's normal. On nearly all fronts.
I can't help but see it as national gaslighting. What are we supposed to make of this as a people? Our collective consciousness
is completely fractured - and it has been done deliberately - we're being challenged on what reality even is, at multiple levels
at once.
Man, do I wish I had cookie crumbs to all the important pieces I've read over the years... This Suskind piece is one that
I often recall, special thanks to c99p for the push to return to it:
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe
that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment
principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire
now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll
act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors
. . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/faith-certainty-and-the-pres...
That's life in America. The reality of Jeffrey Epstein, child trafficker to the Masters of the Universe, will be whatever
they say it is. And if you don't like it, you're a Russian Troll trafficking in Conspiracy Theories.
Deep fakes were an inoculation or vaccine for any Epstein cooties that might escape his untimely "suicide". And I'm quite
tempted to write Arkancide, but that would make me a Russian Troll.
@gulfgal98
He got a sweetheart deal once before. Why would he or anybody else think he couldn't get another one?
If he was not on suicide watch, the earlier "attempt" was attempted murder. He was provided a cell to himself to protect him from
other prisoners.
He was not afforded suicide watch protection.
if you're surprised that jeffrey epstein killed himself last night, imagine how surprised he must have been
Ghislaine Maxwell has taken a red eye on the Lolita Express to Israel.
Epstein has no money. None of "his" property was owned by him.
Honey Pot soon gins up some place else.
#18 He got a sweetheart
deal once before. Why would he or anybody else think he couldn't get another one?
If he was not on suicide watch, the earlier "attempt" was attempted murder. He was provided a cell to himself to protect him
from other prisoners.
He was not afforded suicide watch protection.
@davidgmillsatty
the Honey Pot hasn't missed a beat. It is already ginned up!
I just read on Huffpo that the earlier suicide attempt is now reported as "either" a suicide attempt or an assault.
Up until this afternoon, it was attempted suicide throughout the media.
Interesting.
#18.1.1 the Honey
Pot hasn't missed a beat. It is already ginned up!
I just read on Huffpo that the earlier suicide attempt is now reported as "either" a suicide attempt or an assault.
Up until this afternoon, it was attempted suicide throughout the media.
Interesting.
@HenryAWallace
unconscious with marks on his neck, all the news reports were that it was attempted suicide. Now, as of today, they report
that incident might have been an assault or attempted murder.
Hope that explains what I meant to say.
#18.1.1 the Honey
Pot hasn't missed a beat. It is already ginned up!
I just read on Huffpo that the earlier suicide attempt is now reported as "either" a suicide attempt or an assault.
Up until this afternoon, it was attempted suicide throughout the media.
Interesting.
@davidgmillsatty
Once it becomes known that Epstein has no money and no estate to speak of, then all of the civil suits will go nowhere,
because there will be no way to finance the civil suits and no hope of Plaintiff lawyers being paid (which is how they finance
the cases).
@davidgmillsatty
Never sue a person for monetary damages that has no assets.
I will be anxiously awaiting the probate proceedings. Wonder which relative will identify and claim the body?
And surely, surely, the man had a Will.
#18.1.1 Once it
becomes known that Epstein has no money and no estate to speak of, then all of the civil suits will go nowhere, because there
will be no way to finance the civil suits and no hope of Plaintiff lawyers being paid (which is how they finance the cases).
@on
the cusp I was a personal injury attorney for 35 years. All I did for essentially my whole career except for a few odd
cases here and there.
This reminds me of JP Morgan whom everyone believed was outrageously wealthy. When he died he didn't have a tenth of what people
thought. And in Epstein's case, if he had money, it would not be onshore. Good luck finding what he had if he had any which I
doubt.
#18.1.1.2 Never
sue a person for monetary damages that has no assets.
I will be anxiously awaiting the probate proceedings. Wonder which relative will identify and claim the body?
And surely, surely, the man had a Will.
@davidgmillsatty
But, among other odds and ends, I do probate work. I wonder if he owed anybody? Any creditor could open up an administration
of his estate and go on a hunt for money.
But the civil suits will be fini if it turns out his financials do not support his persona.
#18.1.1.2.1 I
was a personal injury attorney for 35 years. All I did for essentially my whole career except for a few odd cases here and
there.
This reminds me of JP Morgan whom everyone believed was outrageously wealthy. When he died he didn't have a tenth of what
people thought. And in Epstein's case, if he had money, it would not be onshore. Good luck finding what he had if he had any
which I doubt.
@on
the cusp To run this kind of a honey pot operation all you have to do is appear to be who you are. How he made his billions
seems to be a real mystery, the assumption being it was from a criminal enterprise of some sort. So I feel sure the wealth persona
was a sham.
And having no assests just shuts down any civil suits that would have been taken on a contingency. And of course he can not
be compelled to testify now. All by design.
So all the evidence he had for blackmail on all of these powerful people is still in the hands of his handlers and these powerful
people are still subject to blackmail and under the control of those with the evidence.
#18.1.1.2.1.1
But, among other odds and ends, I do probate work. I wonder if he owed anybody? Any creditor could open up an administration
of his estate and go on a hunt for money.
But the civil suits will be fini if it turns out his financials do not support his persona.
@davidgmillsatty
The video is by Dr. Steve Pieczenik, a psychiatrist and a member of US intelligence for decades. He is Jewish. He knows
the Mossad well and how they operate. Here is his take on what happened. Not for the faint hearted. If the mods decide to take
it down, I fully understand that decision.
#18.1.1.2.1.1.1
To run this kind of a honey pot operation all you have to do is appear to be who you are. How he made his billions seems
to be a real mystery, the assumption being it was from a criminal enterprise of some sort. So I feel sure the wealth persona
was a sham.
And having no assests just shuts down any civil suits that would have been taken on a contingency. And of course he can
not be compelled to testify now. All by design.
So all the evidence he had for blackmail on all of these powerful people is still in the hands of his handlers and these
powerful people are still subject to blackmail and under the control of those with the evidence.
@davidgmillsatty
the more they stay the same.
I guess it is possible to pursue it against his estate, although a little pre-trial discovery is sure to show he had nothing.
I usually do certain property searches that are of public record, and if I can't find anything that can be forfeited to pay the
judgment, I decline to go forward.
In all likelihood, it is all over, case closed, and yes, the handlers still have the info.
The only positive I can come up with is that the victims can sue Bill Richardson, Dershowitz, etc...and Epstein will not be around
to deny, deny, deny.
#18.1.1.2.1.1.1
To run this kind of a honey pot operation all you have to do is appear to be who you are. How he made his billions seems
to be a real mystery, the assumption being it was from a criminal enterprise of some sort. So I feel sure the wealth persona
was a sham.
And having no assests just shuts down any civil suits that would have been taken on a contingency. And of course he can
not be compelled to testify now. All by design.
So all the evidence he had for blackmail on all of these powerful people is still in the hands of his handlers and these
powerful people are still subject to blackmail and under the control of those with the evidence.
@on
the cusp That might actually work to their benefit. Epstein would presumably support their positions, but if he was thoroughly
cross-examined and demolished, it could hurt them even more. The old addage is that you win cases on cross-exam. And on cross-exam
if he had not held up, they would have been implicated by one of their own.
#18.1.1.2.1.1.1.1
the more they stay the same.
I guess it is possible to pursue it against his estate, although a little pre-trial discovery is sure to show he had nothing.
I usually do certain property searches that are of public record, and if I can't find anything that can be forfeited to pay
the judgment, I decline to go forward.
In all likelihood, it is all over, case closed, and yes, the handlers still have the info.
The only positive I can come up with is that the victims can sue Bill Richardson, Dershowitz, etc...and Epstein will not be
around to deny, deny, deny.
@HenryAWallace
Some guy on a Twitter feed said there would be a video released and replies stated there was a malfunction. Another convenient
coincidence.
Like dueling banjos, #ClintonBodyCount -vs- #TrumpBodyCount arguments are taking place on Reddit. Some claim the "trending"
algorithm is skewed based on one's political leanings in their user history. Folks are arguing over who is the bigger pedo --
Bill or Donald. It's a shitfest. Same shit, different day. Red -vs- Blue. Both are evil scumbags, but most only see one side as
evil while their side is pure as the driven snow.
"Trump put Barr in charge so he could off Epstein and protect himself because Trump partied with the guy."
"Bill flew 27 times and ditched his security detail, so he had to protect himself. Bill offed him."
"You don't care about victims, just protecting [insert creeper of choice]."
malfunction where Epstein was locked up. I can't tell if the claims are credible.
People who want this to go away or pin it on the bogeyman on the other side of the aisle, are missing a REALLY big point.
All those markers are STILL there. The evil trafficking scheme and the people who run it are most likely still in place and
they still have the goods on global leadership.
Epstein was the help, not the evil genius. Our politicians - even the bogeymen are the help, not the bosses.
#19
Some guy on a Twitter feed said there would be a video released and replies stated there was a malfunction. Another convenient
coincidence.
Like dueling banjos, #ClintonBodyCount -vs- #TrumpBodyCount arguments are taking place on Reddit. Some claim the "trending"
algorithm is skewed based on one's political leanings in their user history. Folks are arguing over who is the bigger pedo
-- Bill or Donald. It's a shitfest. Same shit, different day. Red -vs- Blue. Both are evil scumbags, but most only see one
side as evil while their side is pure as the driven snow.
"Trump put Barr in charge so he could off Epstein and protect himself because Trump partied with the guy."
"Bill flew 27 times and ditched his security detail, so he had to protect himself. Bill offed him."
"You don't care about victims, just protecting [insert creeper of choice]."
@HenryAWallace
because don't the cameras always just always happen to malfunction when most needed?
Sandra Bland f'instance.
Woke up in the morning and she was dead.
Have no idea what happened, cus cameras were down, but she was clearly suicidal, on her way to a new job.
malfunction where Epstein was locked up. I can't tell if the claims are credible.
Also does this mean the full release of docs on his case won't happen now? If so, very suspect that he died after the release
of the docs that Dershowitz and his lackey Cernovich had been after so they could target victims
Trump conspired with Hillary to let the Israelis whisk Epstein away to another private island where he'll continue his honeypot
operation while doing jello shots off 12 year old nubiles.
" At MCC, two jail guards are required to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not
followed overnight, according to the source, who was not authorized to speak on the record."
According to the Washington Post 's
Carol Leonning , "People close to Epstein fear he was murdered...as Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous
incident weeks earlier. He was described as being in good spirits in recent days..."
***
Jeffrey Epstein has died after having reportedly committed suicide in his jail cell , according to multiple news reports, after
a gurney carriny what is believed to be Epstein was seen wheeled out of the Manhattan Correctional Center around 7:30 a.m., according
to the New York Post .
The 66-year-old Epstein was was previously placed on suicide watch after he was found "
nearly unconscious " inside his cell with 'marks on his neck,' according to a Post report from late July. Investigators questioned
former Orange County police officer Nicholas Tartaglione, suspected of killing four men in a cocaine distribution conspiracy, in
connection with the incident. The former cop claimed to have not seen anything nor touched Epstein.
Needless to say, today's news is highly suspicious.
As the Wall Street Journal 's Ted Mann notes,
"Even the time of day in this story is shocking. The first check-in on a prisoner who had already attempted suicide once was not
until 7:30 a.m.? "
The apparent suicide comes just hours after a massive trove of documents was unsealed in a case linked to Epstein , in which one
of his victims said she was forced to perform sex acts with high profile individuals, including former Maine Sen. George Mitchell
(D), former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D), money manager Glenn Dubin and MIT professor Marvin Minsky .
Virginia Giuffre, now an adult, says she was also sent to modeling executive Jean Luc Brunel and the late MIT scientist Marvin
Minsky, according to parts of a 2016 deposition she gave. The testimony by Giuffre, who claims she was a "sex slave" for Epstein
from 2000 to 2002, expands on her previous allegations, in court filings and tabloids, that she was forced to have sex with the
U.K.'s Prince Andrew and Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz. Both men have strenuously denied those allegations.
-
Bloomberg
He was arrested on July 6 at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey on charges of sex-trafficking minors and subsequently denied bail.
Meanwhile, Epstein's personal pilots had been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors in Manhattan last month, which could be used to
corroborate accounts from Epstein's accusers , as well as his travels and associates.
A conveniently timed sale
While prosecutors claimed that Epstein owns two private jets, the registered sex offender's attorneys said in a court filing earlier
this month that he owns one private jet, and "sold the other jet in June 2019." Considering that he was arrested after returning
from Paris in his Gulfstream G550, per Bloomberg , it suggests that Epstein sold his infamous and evidence-rich Boeing 272-200 known
as the "Lolita Express"
weeks
before his arrest .
According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" a total of 27 times . "Many of those times
Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not," according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff - who
first revealed the former president's extensive flights on Epstein's "lolita express" in a 2010
Daily Beast exposé.
Clinton claimed in a July statement that
he only took "a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane" in 2002 and 2003, and that Secret Service accompanied him at all
times - which Sarnoff told Fox News was a
total lie
.
"I know from the pilot logs and these are pilot logs that you know were written by different pilots and at different times that
Clinton went, he was a guest of Epstein's 27 times ," said Sarnoff.
"It would not be surprising to find that some of these flight logs were likely designed to hide evidence of criminal activity
-- or perhaps later cleansed of such evidence," wrote the lawyers for some of Epstein's accusers in a 2015 court filing.
Investigators may be interested in asking Mr. Epstein's pilots whether they witnessed any efforts by Mr. Epstein to interfere
with law enforcement, according to legal experts. In recent court filings, prosecutors have
accused Mr. Epstein of tampering with witnesses , an allegation that Mr. Epstein's lawyers denied in court.
Federal prosecutors in Miami and Mr. Epstein's lawyers in 2007 negotiated over the possibility of Mr. Epstein pleading guilty
to obstruction of justice, including for an incident involving one of his pilots, according to emails that became public in civil
lawsuits. -
Wall Street Journal
Meanwhile, prosecutors confirmed in filings that there are " uncharged individuals " in Epstein's case - which has just gone away
- or has it?
I wish to personally thank the FBI and the Attorney General for finally, at long last, turning 100% of the American population
into "conspiracy theorists" (sic) and making the conspiracy-deniers look like a bunch of inbred imbeciles that they really, truly
are.
"Nobody Will Ever Believe the Official Story on This
Jeffrey Epstein, a man that many powerful people surely wanted silenced, was found dead in
his jail cell Saturday morning.
Absolutely nobody is going to believe any official story that comes out about this. From
The New York Times:
'Mr. Epstein hung himself and his body was found this morning at roughly 7:30. Manhattan
federal prosecutors last month charged Mr. Epstein, 66, with sex trafficking of girls as
young as 14, and details of his behavior have been emerging for years.'
How in the hell do they let this happen? The guy was incarcerated in the Manhattan
Correctional Center. He already had made one try. He had to be on suicide watch. And the
suicide happens the day after a massive document dump in which a woman who said she was one
of Epstein's victims implicates an entire brigade of celebrity "clients," up to an including
some European royalty? There almost can't be a dog more reluctant to hunt than this one.
A whole bunch of Somebodies need to get fired behind this. Beyond it, of course, a
thousand conspiracy theories will now bloom across all the Intertoobz. The other people
involved have to be nervous. Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's alleged accomplice who has yet to
be charged, has to be looking over her shoulder. Is she looking over her shoulder to see if
the FBI is back there, or to see if something darker is closing in? This country is losing
what's left of its mind."
NEW YORK (AP) -- Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of orchestrating a
sex-trafficking ring, had been taken off suicide watch before he killed himself in a New York
jail, a personal familiar with the matter said.
Attorney General William Barr said he was ''appalled'' to learn of Epstein's death while
in federal custody. The FBI and the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General
will investigate, he said.
''Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered,'' Barr said in a
statement.
Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell Saturday morning at the Metropolitan
Correctional Center, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Fire officials received a
call at 6:39 a.m. Saturday that Epstein was in cardiac arrest, and he was pronounced dead at
New York Presbyterian-Lower Manhattan Hospital.
Epstein, 66, had been denied bail and faced up to 45 years behind bars on federal sex
trafficking and conspiracy charges unsealed last month. He had pleaded not guilty and was
awaiting trial on accusations of sexually abusing dozens of underage girls.
A little over two weeks ago, Epstein was found on the floor of his cell with bruises on
his neck, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity.
At the time, it was not clear whether the injuries were self-inflicted or from an
assault.
A person familiar with the matter told The Associated Press that Epstein had been taken
off suicide watch. The person wasn't authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to
AP on condition of anonymity. It wasn't immediately clear when he was taken off suicide
watch.
The Bureau of Prisons confirmed that he had been housed in the jail's Special Housing
Unit, a heavily secured part of the facility that separates high-profile inmates from the
general population. Until recently, the same unit had been home to the Mexican drug lord
Joaquin ''El Chapo'' Guzman, who is now serving a life sentence at the so-called Supermax
prison in Colorado.
Epstein's death is likely to raise questions about how the Bureau of Prisons ensures the
welfare of such high-profile inmates. In October, Boston gangster James ''Whitey'' Bulger was
killed in a federal prison in West Virginia where had just been transferred. ...
NDem Rep Ocasio-Cortez (& GOP Rep Matt Gaetz) call
for answers after Epstein found dead in jail cell http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAFCJgp
ew York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D) led public calls Saturday demanding answers
after disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell due to an
apparent suicide.
"We need answers. Lots of them," Ocasio-Cortez, a member of the House Oversight and Reform
Committee, tweeted. ...
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who sits on the Judiciary Committee, called on the panel's
chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), to prioritize investigating the circumstances around
Epstein's death over other probes being carried out by the committee.
"Chairman @RepJerryNadler should prioritize a Judiciary investigation into how Jeffrey
Epstein died in federal custody (in Nadler's own neighborhood!) over the Kavanaugh
confirmation (which already happened), and the Russia hoax (which never happened)," Gaetz
tweeted. ...
"... I am just now reading David Martin's new book "The Assassination of James Forrestal", about a 1949 murder by the Zionists disguised as suicide. ..."
"... He can sit around with the Skripals and talk over old times. ..."
"... He probably became more of a liability and/or stepped on some toes higher up in the food chain. How many former Israeli prime ministers will attend his funeral? Ghislaine's lawyers will be happy, she was a victim of Epstein too. Poor child. ..."
"... Well said. Indeed, loss of trust in governments is key, and this event utterly destroys the little trust that remained. Other western governments have the same problem also. ..."
Reports are that he was 'found dead' at 7:30 am local time, he was supposedly on suicide
watch, he was a tremendously valuable witness, he could trade his testimony for leniency, a
lot of very important people were worried.
No one will believe that Epstein committed suicide voluntarily, I certainly don't.
Not extraditing. I am just now reading David Martin's new book "The Assassination of James Forrestal",
about a 1949 murder by the Zionists disguised as suicide.
He probably became more of a liability and/or stepped on some toes higher up in the food
chain.
How many former Israeli prime ministers will attend his funeral? Ghislaine's lawyers will be happy, she was a victim of Epstein too. Poor child.
Why would anyone watch House of Cards? The real life soap called American politics is way
more fun and interesting.
Make no mistake, Ghislaine will never be extradited by TPTB, for they are still designating
her a "Madame"; just a very naughty lady who was adept at pleasing her clients and her
"partner". Not a spy, not a slave trader, just an independent and shrewd Mommy of sorts. "
Lady Madame Ghislaine". A glamour girl to the end. And without a doubt she'll get the
same state funeral as her father when her time comes. That is, if Israel is still a state
when she kicks the bucket.
Jeffry Epstein suicided- makes it obvious, that the deep state mafia regime in control was
feeling intense heat, some one(s) important in the deep state decided overt killing a
prisoner in federal prison and trying to defuse the news and public' obvious disbelief in
cause and method, is worth killing him and divert and defuse the mess. For sure the names
that would have become public was going to destabilize the DC regime. In next few days before
the news is buried, we will see how MSM will divert the narrative, away from the names it is
trying to protect. For sure at one time he was "made" and one the "Goodfellas" .
kooshy , Aug 10 2019 14:40 utc |
18Lysander , Aug 10 2019 14:40 utc |
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The only way his 'suicide' can be considered an actual suicide is if his handlers had so much
leverage over him that they could persuade that he (and any loved ones he might have) would
all be much better off if he did it himself than if he forces them to do it for him.
That's a possibility I suppose. But the idea that he did just because he couldn't handle
life anymore simply doesn't warrant any consideration at all.
I responded to Your last response to me on this thread:
The MoA Week In Review - OT 2019-45
It is the last entry on that thread. Just wanted to let You know.
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How convenient that Epstein is no longer in the perpetrator protection program. The
witness protection program was obviously never considered, or applied. Someone wrote that the
Epstein case proved that there are two justice systems in the US: one for the rich and one
for the suckers. Although that is not quite correct, as the one for the suckers must be
called Injustice System.
It also goes to show, that while people desperately attempt to change their 'elected
officials', they have no whatsoever control over the 'unelected officials'. Those decide over
the (In-)Justice system with impunity. How would the 'Supreme' Court look like if The
People would elect its members? Citizen United would have never happened? But that it did
- outside of any say of the population it affected the most - is one reason why the truth
about Epstein's Johns will never surface. How many of the supreme court justices visited
'penetrate-a-minor-girl island?
Correct. No evidence has yet to emerge. Your beliefs notwithstanding.
If I were Epstein I would have a powerful motive to commit suicide. And some may have
powerful motive to murder him. There is nothing yet to suggest her was murdered.
I cite this as an example of the disinformational slippery slope which in other contexts
leads to the election of Trump, for instance, or the passage of Brexit.
IOW, suicide is not the only form of self-inflicted self-harm.
That probably means he was just a really rich pervert whose luck ran out rather than a Mossad
or CIA asset tasked with collecting kompromat on influential people. A pampered twit
like Epstein, used to a life of luxury and leisure, in jail on a sex charge would be eaten
alive and quite possibly killed. I speculated after he was arrested that he would try to kill
himself if he faced a long stretch in jail and it looks like that's what happened. Of course
plenty of people will claim his suicide was faked etc. but unless they have credible evidence
to back that up I will go with 'Occam's razor' on this.
We live in a national security state run by criminals. Expecting justice from the legal
system is like expecting to elect a president who will drain the swamp. It is a democracy
theme park, where the levers and handles are not attached to anything.
Epstein's death - assuming he hasn't been "spirited" away to somewhere welcoming and
unwilling to extradite, ever, (I wonder which "country" that might be) - and its timing is
awfully convenient.
And the fact that he was supposedly on suicide watch after his "apparent" attempt some
days earlier gives one pause. Either the so-called suicide watch is really negligent and
Epstein was given/allowed both the "space" and the means (surely the means would, under
suicide watch, be rendered null?) or his death by *suicide* is questionable.
We forget that there are still other (((predators))) on the loose to include Polanski, Woody
Allen, and a list of others. I will not say that they are all jews because George Bush Sr,
was a known pedophile and he died at a ripe old age of 94 (and some people believe in
karma..yeah right). Of course he was also the head of the CIA and the Warren commission, so
he could afford to do what he did and get away with it. Don't believe me, check into the
Franklin Child Abuse scandal and this Washington Times article. http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
Unless "We the People" take these predators down, they will continue to destroy
children.
Since hollywood is so bankrupt for ideas i wonder if someone will do a citizen kane type
story based on epistein, For those who dont know citizen kane was basically an unflattering
biography about a thinly veiled william randolph hurst expry (Hurst did everything possible
to try to kill the film when he heard about it). This might be the only way we get anything
close to even an approximation of what the truth was behind Epistein
div> Can't help but think about Deborah Jeane Palfrey, known as the "D.C.
Madam," was also suicided.
I especially like how his suicide was staged on a Friday evening when people wont be paying
that much attention. That has always been the best time for governments to release bad news
I wonder if they will do an autopsy, or maybe he will get "cremated" right away? If the
former, I'd say maybe he actually did kill himself, if the latter, definitely not. Of course
autopsies don't have to be accurate either. "Who gets the remains?" is another good question.
"Why the heck did he show up to get arrested like that?" is another one.
Wow!! Those suckers at the BBC manage NOT to mention Maxwell or Prince Andrew (ok... they are
mentioned in some of the links they give, but come one!!) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49306032
Epstein, never married, no acknowledeged children. Odd for someone who wanted to populate the
world with his progeny... someone suggested that now his estate(s) canbe freely searched. We
will see if this all goes away or if some pitbulls in Miami keep after others who have been
implicated. When the DC Madam was murdered/committed suicide every lead went dark and her
little black book disappeared as I recall...
lysias 11
I read that book last month! The official story still stands but the truth is out there. And
it was not surprising to see that any evidence contrary to the official story of a paranoid,
crazy man committing suicide didn't go anywhere.
I expect the Epstein story and its details to fade as well because many in power want it
to. It's been interesting to read of the ties between Bill Browder, Robert Maxwell, and
Jeffrey Epstein. Very shady dealings with so much submerged.
does this require elaboration? I read your linked Daily News article. I have spent some
time behind bars myself (although not for sex crimes I hasten to add) and while not in
possession of as lavish lifestyle as Epstein I would probably have a difficult time
tolerating much of the rest of my life spent in similar conditions.
And I get that Club Fed is a much better living environment than pre-trial holding cells
but only by degrees...and he was going to be held in pre-trial for a long time while
the press and alt media had a field day with his story.
The Clinton conection of course leads to all sorts of rightwing created conspiracy
theorues which Barflies too love to swarm all over like a fresh batch of dogshit on the
sidewalk.
Clinton likes/liked having sex with young, possible underage girls?
They all say they cut ties with Epstein 12 years ago when the charges first surfaced. And
yet, Epstein still got around and hobnobbed with the rich and shameless ever since then.
Epstein by all recent accounts wasn't actually "smart", just pathologically driven and
well-funded. Someone gave him a leg-up very early on; just an undeniable fact if you study
his bio. He would not have any incriminating evidence stored at his properties or in his
personal effects, it would've been funneled to whoever he was working for long ago. Point is,
he trusted his bosses. His brain, Ghislaine's brain; those are the only two places outside of
Tel Aviv that the info was still stored.
If he had prepared a dead man's switch, he would have pulled it years ago.
I find the Pavlovian reactions shown here by quite a number of people very painful to
witness.
Like there can be any doubt Epstein would have more than enough reason to kill himself.
A sexual marauder, a high-roller, the world's no. 1 pimp, probably an "Intelligence" asset
in a class of its own, a guy who knew none of the boundaries us mortals usually face
– confined to a tiny cell and prison life. With the prospect of having your sad and
perverse life dissected in court, of having to explain and justify your actions, of having
to go through harrowing witnesses' statements. Yeah, what's not to look forward to in
there?
Yours is by far the most Pavlovian reaction to this news. Or is it 'news'?
Let me get this straight for your to think about it. The guy has enough money to spend
after he gets out of jail. How any years would he get in a Justice system that was lenient in
the first place? Different folks now in the Justice Department? Let's say he would get five
years, no make it ten. I seriously doubt he wouldn't get parole after some time for exemplary
behavior. And he promised to not continue his crimes. Remember that it suffices to confess to
the public and apologize for what you did - for the evangelical faction to forgive you. Hell,
make that 'Christian faction'. He would sign a confidentiality agreement in exchange for his
life to those who would take it otherwise. Lots of money to use in a corrupted society.
Jeffrey Epstein would know that the average attention span of Americans is as long as the
trail of a shooting star in the night. Another mass shooting and "Who? Epstein? Never heard
of him."
It is you, who fits the findings of Pavlov quite well. However, from personal experience
at the Humane Society, I know that there is no dog that cannot be re-trained, or
re-conditioned to be a friendly doggie.
My first thought. In fact, I had this thought as soon as I heard of the first Epstein
suicide "attempt." I am sure I am not alone. Just when we thought we were going to see whose
names actually were in her little black book, she conveninetly disappears, and the little
black book slides down the memory hole.
Remember it was Reagan who said: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on
me.
Oh, yes, and Gary Webb supposedly also committed suicide. And a number of the JFK
witnesses who planned to come forward some years/decades after his death---poof! Heart attack
the day before the planned interrogation (see Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable).
Anyone who believes this new (and richly predicted) suicide story is a fool. Gimme an
effing break!
The guy was on "suicide watch"! That can only mean that the people in charge of this supposed
watch were the ones who administered the tiny shot (leaves no trace in the skin) that brought
about heart failure.
How convenient, just after Florida opened its own investigation into the original plea
arraignment that threatened to unseal Epstein's financial records. But just because Epstein's
no more doesn't mean the investigation should end; others in the DoJ broke the law then, not
Epstein. Plus, his operation was what's known as a "ring", a conspiracy, a racketeering
operation involving numerous others, some known, some not. I wonder what his will says?
The flaw in your argument is that Epstein wasn't getting out this time and he knew it.
He may have been killed and he may have killed himself precisely because of what is to
follow.
I believe like Karlof1 that the investigation should definitely continue because of what
is to follow and also now should include whether or not Epstein was "suicided".
And if Clinton or Prince Andrew or wtf is found guilty of sex crimes then he should rot in
jail too.
After all, Bill Cosby, white Amerikkka's favourite black father figure went to jail didn't
he? Although granted he is black and he is also forgotten at this point in the ever rushing
news cycle....but he is still behind bars, isn't he?
willie , Aug 10 2019 16:37 utc |
88DontBelieveEitherPr. , Aug 10 2019 16:41 utc |
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To those who think "suicide watch" is some magical way to prevent suicide, and that his death
would imply some action by a third party to kill him, maybe i can shed some light on the
procedure, as it is handled in Germany (And very likely at least inspired from US
procedures):
1. The inmate does get a cell with a fellow inmate, so he is not alone, and is observed by
that inmate too.
2. Additionally, to normal security measures, the inmate gets taken away all things with
which he could harm himself
3. Wardens control the inmate visually in a pre determined interval of e.g. 15 minutes, 30
minutes, 60 minutes.
4. In special cases inmates are transferred into special cells with rubber walls and floors,
like one would think in a mental hospital (Gummizelle is the German term).
Now, in consequence:
1. When the other inmate does not look, sleeps or simply does not give a shit, this has no
effect
2. While belts, show laces and sharp things are removed, one can easily improvise a rope from
a piece of bed linen etc. to hand themselves on the water fountain or classically on the
window grille, jump from a double story bed head first breaking ones neck or bleeding
themselves, slitting the wrist to bleed to death (something sharp can always be found or
made, overdosing on drugs the inmate acquired from other inmates...
I myself have witnessed multiple people successfully kill themselves under suicide watch
in the pretty short times i myself was an inmate in a maximum security prison. And i myself
have been at times under suicide watch, and I know myself that if you want to do it, you got
plenty of options.
After some days you know how the system works, and have multiples options if you choose
so.
Plus, guards are always lazy, and cheat on the interval. E.g. checking only once an hour
instead of every 15 minutes.
But even the 15 minutes is plenty of time.
So him being on suice watch and still killing himself IS NO PROOF OF NOTHING.
That said, i dont exclude something like this.
Maybe he had a conscience. Maybe he felt ashamed. Maybe not, and only had not the balls to
face what he did.
Maybe some told him it would be better for him, or that there are actually people he loved
and that he got threatened that those people would be hurt.
Who knows? Not we certainly.
IMHO it is TYPICALL for such people as him to commit suicide.
He may have some smarts concerning the rich and famous, but in a federal jail, he is
FUCKED.
EVERYONE WILL TRY TO GET A PIECE OF HIS ASS AND MONEY!
JUST LIKE EVERY FUCKING PEDO IN EVERY JAIL ON EARTH!
And no solitary confinement (Already gone on suicide watch, where he is at least in a 2 man
cell) can protect him.
Taking a shower, free time, sport, work, visiting waiting cell.. Countless times to get that
mofo, and put a shank to his dick.
A pedo is already done in prison, but a prominent pedo???
He killed himself to not get assfucked till it bleeds, to not have to get abused like he
abused.
He had no future, and he doing himself was realizing he played out.
As chance would have it, AOC appears to have a House of Representatives oversight role
with regard to Epstein's 'suicide' and is loudly demanding answers; she sounds a lot more
sceptical than you!
This is a good opportunity to show if she has substance. Let's see what she does!
One self-proclaimed corrections officer said on Reddit that Epstein's suicide should
never have been possible.
I'm a corrections officer. This should never have been possible. During the intake
process due to the nature of his crimes and being famous he should have already been on
special watch. Then after the first attempt he would have been in a special cell. He
would be in what we call a "pickle suit" it's a green suit that you can't tear or tie to
anything. His blankets would be the same material. He would only get hygiene products
under supervision. Only thing allowed in his cell would be a book and court papers. Then
we would be monitored more closely. This is a huge failing on the jail. I want a massive
investigation on how this was able to happen.
/div> The NYT this morning is reporting that it is not known if Epstein was
on a suicide watch. Clearly, he should have been after the recent incident in which he was
found unconscious and with injury marks around his neck. I think it is not at all unlikely that
he did commit suicide, but also that he was allowed or even aided in doing so.
The NYT this morning is reporting that it is not known if Epstein was on a suicide watch.
Clearly, he should have been after the recent incident in which he was found unconscious and
with injury marks around his neck. I think it is not at all unlikely that he did commit
suicide, but also that he was allowed or even aided in doing so.
It's probably too early to draw the curtains on the Epstein nothing-burger. It's not at all
clear to me that ANY of the under age women were pre-pubescent children. Bonking under age
females with breasts and pubic hair is known as Statutory Rape in most Western countries; the
assumption being that the bonkee is deemed to be too young to give Informed Consent to sex
with an adult male. If there's no allegation or evidence of coercion by the bonker then it's
not a hanging offense.
The mystery surrounding Epstein's rags to riches good fortune has not yet been fully
explained, although if it's true that he had charisma then he was probably capable of
seducing/ charming males as well as females.
IF he was running a honey-trap blackmail scam as a sole trader then he will fade from
History surrounded by a blizzard of "???". If on the other hand he was a "useful idiot"
running the scam on behalf, and for the benefit of, powerful people then one suspects that he
will have left a "dead man's letter" so that he'd have the last laugh.
A dead man's letter is only as good as the entity one trusts to ensure that it's
disseminated. WikiLeaks would be my top pick for a trustworthy publisher and The Swamp is
moving Heaven and Earth to keep Assange incommunicado until he can be suicided.
I think you are missing the fundamental issue regarding the circumstances of Epstein's
death, it is no longer Epstein's crimes and that of his co-conspirators, it is a systemic
loss of Trust in the government and political elites. The allegations against Epstein and his
associates were extremely serious, at the absolute minimum they involved major political and
economic figures involved in sex trafficking and the sexual abuse of minors, the worst
allegations were that foreign individuals or governments had gained compromising information
about these figures and used it subvert the government policies for their benefits. I do not
know if all of these allegations were, but at least some of these allegations involving
sexual abuse were truth (Epstein himself admitted as much when he took the original guilty
plea).
In re-arresting Epstein under new charges, the government itself also asserted that 1)
they believed Epstein committed other crimes and 2) they were reasonably likely to get a
conviction at a trial (prosecutors are not supposed to bring charges against people unless
they think they can get a conviction at trial). Again, I do not know if all of these
allegations were true, but in bring a case the government said that they believed that they
were. Lastly, in refusing to grant bail to Epstein, the government clearly and publicly took
on the responsibility of protecting Epstein from ALL THREATS (including himself, other
inmates, guards, health issues, everything) while he was in their custody.
The fact that Epstein, allegedly, tried to commit suicide a week ago and was then moved to
the highest level of care and security by the government where he then dies after "allegedly"
committing suicide is a huge, public and devastating failure of the government to fulfill
their obligations to society, the courts and even Epstein (that is assuming Epstein really is
dead). This is made all the worst by the fact that many, many people (Zerohedge, moon of
alabama, RT, infowars, the Duran among others) had stated their fears that Epstein would be
murdered in such a way by powerfully forces within the government and political elites, in
the eyes of these people, their concerns have been fully vindicated. By failing to fulfill
their obligations in such a public way, especially after being warned repeatedly by people
concerned about just such a situation unfolding, the US government has hugely discredited
itself and legitimized the believe that the US government and the political elite is deeply,
systematically corrupt.
Now, undoubtedly the US government and society will not be fatally undermined by a single
event such as this. But for the prior 30 years (at least), the US government and society seem
unable to generate successes for anyone except the top 1% and indeed seems openly hostile to
the very idea that government should ever create a benefit for anyone except the 1% or that
the political and economic elite should ever be held accountable for any failure or crimes
they commit (the 2001 tech bubble, the Iraq war, the 2008 financial crisis, Libya, Syria,
Iran, Venezuela and now the Epstein scandal). At some point a critical threshold will be
breeched and people will slowly stop believing in the various government narratives on events
and public policies. Many American already reject the US government's narrative on 9/11, the
Iraq war, Syria now some of them will add the Epstein episode to their list of disbelieved
narratives. Unless the US government reverses course and starts rebuilding it's legitimacy
and trust, this rejection of US government narratives will spread to the most fundamental
government narrative, that the US government is the legitimate government of the people. Once
that narrative is disbelieved by as little as 1/3 of the population, the US (as it currently
exists) is doomed. When will that happen, that's the $64 question although I personally
believe it will be within the next 20 years unless some reforming figure arises
Since he was certainly a spook it makes sense that he knew he had to commit suicide by
himself. Suicided, yes, but by his owners who dropped him. The guy still thought recently he
could be released on bail.
Now what about the many pages missing from the published documents?? and those pages where
she starts talking about some big guys and have a lot of black on the lines??
The details of Trump's only ride on an Epstein plane, from Florida to NY, he 'hitched a
ride' - no girls. It is curious, as Ilargi, no Trump fan, points out the MSM has never
bothered to report this, plus keeps on suggesting that Trump is involved with Epstein,
insinuating guilt by association (sex trafficking, pedophilia, prostitution, abuse,
blackmail, etc.) Publishing that photo of Epstein w. Trump and Maxwell, Melania, over and
over.
Giuffre (> recent doc release) confirms - Trump never flirted with her, she never saw
Trump involved with any girls. (see also dan 77)
The MSM goes so far as to not report court cases, witness testimony, legal conclusions,
etc. from the US judiciary (itself notoriously corrupt!) -> even the minor attempts to
uphold say, the first amendment / some small parts of the rule of law.. are ignored, hidden,
flatly denied..
Circe might accuse me of supporting Trump! - NO, no..no...
Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:55 utc | 103
You know what, you are right... I can't say 100 percent what exactly happened but this has
to have everybody's BS detector on full alert.
As Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 17:01 utc | 106
"At some point a critical threshold will be breeched and people will slowly stop believing in
the various government narratives on events and public policies. Many American already reject
the US government's narrative on 9/11, the Iraq war, Syria now some of them will add the
Epstein episode to their list of disbelieved narratives. Unless the US government reverses
course and starts rebuilding it's legitimacy and trust, this rejection of US government
narratives will spread to the most fundamental government narrative, that the US government
is the legitimate government of the people. Once that narrative is disbelieved by as little
as 1/3 of the population, the US (as it currently exists) is doomed. "
The lies haven't got so blatant that the narrative managers are asking to disregard any
logic to believe their stories. This Epstein case I have personally been following since
2015. From all that I read of the guy, suicide doesn't seem like his way. Ratting everyone
else out seemed more his style. Thus I lean more on a hit job more than anything.
I didn't really know Jeffrey. He was like Boo Radley in the corner of the room. After I met
him, he became Jeffrey Epstein, he had no interest in me. He knew right out of the box who
the players were, the people who would stay out all night, people who had interests in
extracurricular objectives, and who the hitters were. That wasn't me." ... The Wall Street
names in the book range from the highly prominent to the obscure, and, for some unknown
reason, a disproportionate number of names of bankers in it worked once upon a time at
Lazard, my old firm.
Cohan dutifully records passing events in the outside world, such as the near-bankruptcy of
New York, which Mr Rohatyn averted, and various mergers and acquisitions. But the
interesting action was taking place in Lazard's allegedly dingy (they never seemed that bad
to me) offices in the Rockefeller Center, where the "great men" who advised big companies
plied their trade.
The emphasis was on the "men". Cohan records that partners from Meyer to Mr David-Weill
and Mr Rohatyn imported a French attitude to extramarital liaisons and the first women who
worked there as bankers were apparently propositioned constantly. One young woman is even
said to have been raped by two junior bankers, and according to Cohan's account the
bankers were eased out to avoid embarrassment.
But just because Epstein's no more doesn't mean the investigation should end
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2019 16:11 utc | 78
This can't be stressed enough.
The Great US of A are absolutely FUCKEDUP. Remember what's at stake are proven and alleged
public order crimes, that it was not a victim that perished, that sex trafficking, of minors
or otherwise, are criminal organization type crimes. These crimes shall be prosecuted
under the law. Except there is no law to be under anymore.
We can all speculate on suicide vs "suicided" but in my opinion this is several degrees
below the bar, at this point I don't even think it matters that part of the discussion. I'm
slightly disappointed at today's comments, but since I can't myself bring up to par, I extend
it myself.
There isn't any hard evidence that Epstein was murdered, true. But if the death of the sole
named accused in arguably the most high profile case in decades, involving the most
well-connected elites, steeped foreign intelligence connections, in a federal prison, on
suicide watch, alone in a cell wearing a paper suit, with no shoelaces, under 24/7 watch
doesn't arose your suspicions, you are a special kind of obtuse. Suicide watch is designed
specifically to not allow what supposedly happened. At a minimum, it is a scandal in its own
right. But to happen to Epstein now, just as the trail was getting rolling, on Friday - the
day known to 'bury' stories, in a federal facility in Manhattan, is as fishy as fishy gets.
If you want to mock those who point that out, it reflects much more on your naivety than
anyone else's.
He wasn't just "bonking" underage women, he was trafficking them - internationally and on
a large scale. And he threatened them as well. These women were fearful.
If your daughter had been one of those "bonked", trafficked, and threatened at 15 or 16
years old maybe you wouldn't be so cavalier.
Furthermore, it's difficult to believe a wealthy person like Epstein would risk their
wealth and prestige so blatantly without some belief that they were protected. Many believe
that his protection came from Mega/Mossad. So the serial rapist was likely part of a criminal
conspiracy that was aided and abetted by a foreign government.
I used to think you had a functioning moral compass.
My BS detector has been bleeping almost non-stop since the US war on Serbia, as far as I'm
concern when the US makes an assertion they need to provide verifiable evidence to back up
their claims. my personal opinion is that Epstein didn't commit suicide, heck, I'm not even
sure if he's really dead but if he is dead, he was probably murdered.
Kadath @106 Well said. Indeed, loss of trust in governments is key, and this event utterly destroys the
little trust that remained. Other western governments have the same problem also.
Epstein was in custody of someone. Whether Epstien was "suicided" or his death was faked, in a functioning state that
someone would be brought to justice, and that would go up the chain of command until the highest culprit is found. But we live
in a system that is either a Banana Republic or a Mafia State
Had you given thought to: Banana Mafia State Democracy ?
Formerly T-Bear , Aug 11 2019 19:46 utc |
8james , Aug 11 2019 20:04 utc |
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false choices and a
load of shite.. how is a crony capitalism, banana mafia run country supposed to be a sovereign state?? personally i can't
see it.. pat lang as usual is for the most part, off his rocker..sovereign state my ass..
FWIW New Eastern Outlook is running a story by Gordon Duff on Epstein's murder including citing Bill Richardson and plutonium
theft from USA stockpile. Messad gets a mention.
I put investigative journalism between quotation marks because the editors of the NYT probably already know who killed Epstein.
"Playing along" with the investigative narrative would be the more appropriate term.
Even the New York Times is reporting that 2 guards who were supposed to check on Epstein every 30 minutes since he was in "protective"
custody didn't do their rounds, or not all of their rounds, on Friday night into Saturday morning:
Mr. Epstein was supposed to have been checked by the two guards in the protective housing unit every 30 minutes, but that
procedure was not followed that night, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.
Nothing to see here, move along, don't care that the doctors at Parkland said publicly and unambiguously that day that JFK
was shot from the front.
If you look at Epstein, he was a cog in the one of the largest White Slave trade endeavors for a country that begins with I and
ends in an L (or better known as Occupied Palestine). Israel has been noted for years to have one of the largest white slave sex
trade operations in the world. Bringing in young white Estonian, Latvian, and other eastern european white girls for jobs as maids,
nanny's, and other domestic help, until upon arrival their passports are taken and they have to work in brothels for 16 hours
a day to pay off fees the fends impose upon them. I could provide sources from the UN to other bodies but look it up yourself.
Epstein was only doing God's work for the chosenites.
Responding to several questions in the last open thread, I mentioned the fact that Epstein's case reflects the great amount of
corruption prevalent within the Outlaw US Empire, and it's that aspect of the case that might be used as a campaign issue, particularly
since Sanders is going to great lengths to point to the utterly corrupt and immoral nature of "health" insurance and Big Pharma.
That was exactly the line he presented on today's
Face The Nation program, despite the primary fccus being gun control:
"'The American people are sick and tired of powerful corporate interest determining what goes on in Washington,' Sanders said.
'You know that's whether it's the healthcare industry, whether it is the fossil fuel industry, whether it is the NRA.'"
The other important point Sanders made was the divisive nature of Trump's rhetoric--that becoming more divided now isn't in
the nation's best interest:
"He is creating the kind of divisiveness in this nation that is the last thing we should be doing."
Ah, but that's exactly what the Current Oligarchy wants done--create an ever more divisive nation such that solidarity--and
thus Movement Building--becomes ever harder to attain and realize.
Any NYT reporting on Epstein is meant as a distraction -- to cover up the facts.
The NYT is the elites' protector, it punches down instead of up.
The NYT 'revelations' about guards are a) punching down to protect elites and b) a distraction to protect elites.
The NYT is one of the Augean Stables.
IMO, it matters not whether Epstein's alive or dead. What matters is that a person like Epstein was able to become what Epstein
became, which was enabled through the great, vast cesspool of corruption that the global elite inhabit. Epstein ought to become
the Poster Boy for ridding the nation of government and elite corruption that affects every aspect of life here and everywhere.
As many have said, Billionaires ought not to exist--no one individual should have that much wealth and power. The thesis embodied
within
Andrew Carnegie's Gospel of Wealth (PDF) ought to be made into law such that it's ensured that those fortunate enough
to become well-off thanks to the public--directly or indirectly via government--return a great proportion of that wealth to their
benefactors. IMO, had such a law been in force, the corruption that enabled Epstein would have had a more difficult time doing
what it did.
Yes, there are other factors/actors involved that aided Epstein's racket. We have an excellent idea of who and what--China
has the proper solution for such corruption. Ridding the world of those factors/actors ought to be equivalent to the Quest for
The Grail.
At least comfort can come from knowing that the evil within Syria is currently being eradicated, and that additional evil plans
are being thwarted thanks to the Forces of Resistance.
"... Clinton claimed in a July statement that he only took "a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane" in 2002 and 2003, and that Secret Service accompanied him at all times - which Sarnoff told Fox News was a total lie . ..."
"... "I know from the pilot logs and these are pilot logs that you know were written by different pilots and at different times that Clinton went, he was a guest of Epstein's 27 times ," said Sarnoff. ..."
"... "It would not be surprising to find that some of these flight logs were likely designed to hide evidence of criminal activity -- or perhaps later cleansed of such evidence," wrote the lawyers for some of Epstein's accusers in a 2015 court filing. ..."
Update2: It's been a day since the sudden, yet somehow unsurprising news of millionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's apparent 'suicide'
in a Manhattan jail cell after reportedly being taken off suicide watch , and people are demanding to know exactly how this happened
amid conflicting reports .
According to the
New York Post , "Epstein had inexplicably been taken off suicide watch despite an incident three weeks ago when he was found
sprawled on the floor of his cell, nearly unconscious, and with injuries to his neck," adding "He was being housed in the jail's
high-security Special Housing Unit, in which high-profile or dangerous detainees are kept separate from the general population."
At MCC, two jail guards are required to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes -- but overnight, that procedure
was not followed, a source told Reuters. Prisoners on suicide watch get checked every 15 minutes.
Former US Attorney Preet Bharara tweeted that he was "dumbfounded" by Epstein's death.
"There should be -- and almost certainly is -- video of Epstein's suicide at MCC," he said. "One hopes it is complete, conclusive,
and secured." -
New York Post
As we noted on Saturday, Attorney General William Barr is
appalled by Epstein's death - ordering the DOJ's Inspector General to investigate.
Epstein's death comes
less than a day after the release of a trove of documents naming high-profile individuals named in a 2015 lawsuit brought by
Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre against Epstein's 'Madam' - Ghislaine Maxwell, who says Maxwell helped Epstein traffic herself
and other underage girls to sex parties at the billionaire pedophile's many residences.
Guiffre claims in the filing that she was forced to sleep with several high-profile individuals, including Britain's Prince Andrew,
former Sen. George Mitchell (D-ME), Democratic New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, longtime MIT professor Marvin Minsky, and investment
banker Glenn Dubin. All have denied the accusations.
"Heads must roll," said Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse (R), a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee in a blistering Saturday letter
to AG Barr. " Every single person in the Justice Department -- from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift
jailer -- knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn't be allowed to die with him ," Sasse added.
There's no question Epstein should have been under continual watch, said Cameron Lindsay, a former warden who ran three federal
jails and who called the death a "shocking failure."
"Unequivocally, he should have been on active suicide watch and therefore under direct and constant supervision," Lindsay said.
"It's embarrassing," one federal law-enforcement source told The Post of Epstein.
"This is the highest-profile inmate in that facility, and considering that he may have attempted suicide two weeks ago -- how
could they let this happen?"
Mayor de Blasio tweeted , "Some of
wealthiest people in the world committed a horrible crime. If they think for a second that they got away with it because Jeffrey
Epstein is dead, they're dead WRONG. " -
New York Post
And now we wait for the official story...
Update: The FBI is opening an investigation into Epstein's death according to media reports.
" At MCC, two jail guards are required to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not
followed overnight, according to the source, who was not authorized to speak on the record."
Does this sound like a suicide to you?
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Jeffrey Epstein,
accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials .
According to the Washington Post 's
Carol Leonning , "People close to Epstein fear he was murdered...as Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous
incident weeks earlier. He was described as being in good spirits in recent days..."
***
Jeffrey Epstein has died after having reportedly committed suicide in his jail cell , according to multiple news reports, after
a gurney carriny what is believed to be Epstein was seen wheeled out of the Manhattan Correctional Center around 7:30 a.m., according
to the New York Post .
The 66-year-old Epstein was was previously placed on suicide watch after he was found "
nearly unconscious " inside his cell with 'marks on his neck,' according to a Post report from late July. Investigators questioned
former Orange County police officer Nicholas Tartaglione, suspected of killing four men in a cocaine distribution conspiracy, in
connection with the incident. The former cop claimed to have not seen anything nor touched Epstein.
Needless to say, today's news is highly suspicious.
As the Wall Street Journal 's Ted Mann notes,
"Even the time of day in this story is shocking. The first check-in on a prisoner who had already attempted suicide once was not
until 7:30 a.m.? "
... ... ...
The apparent suicide comes just hours after a massive trove of documents was unsealed in a case linked to Epstein , in which one
of his victims said she was forced to perform sex acts with high profile individuals, including former Maine Sen. George Mitchell
(D), former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D), money manager Glenn Dubin and MIT professor Marvin Minsky .
Virginia Giuffre, now an adult, says she was also sent to modeling executive Jean Luc Brunel and the late MIT scientist Marvin
Minsky, according to parts of a 2016 deposition she gave. The testimony by Giuffre, who claims she was a "sex slave" for Epstein
from 2000 to 2002, expands on her previous allegations, in court filings and tabloids, that she was forced to have sex with the
U.K.'s Prince Andrew and Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz. Both men have strenuously denied those allegations.
-
Bloomberg
He was arrested on July 6 at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey on charges of sex-trafficking minors and subsequently denied bail.
... ... ...
Meanwhile, Epstein's personal pilots had been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors in Manhattan last month, which could be used to
corroborate accounts from Epstein's accusers , as well as his travels and associates.
A conveniently timed sale
While prosecutors claimed that Epstein owns two private jets, the registered sex offender's attorneys said in a court filing earlier
this month that he owns one private jet, and "sold the other jet in June 2019." Considering that he was arrested after returning
from Paris in his Gulfstream G550, per Bloomberg , it suggests that Epstein sold his infamous and evidence-rich Boeing 272-200 known
as the "Lolita Express"
weeks
before his arrest .
According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" a total of 27 times . "Many of those times
Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not," according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff - who
first revealed the former president's extensive flights on Epstein's "lolita express" in a 2010
Daily Beast exposé.
Clinton claimed in a July statement
that he only took "a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane" in 2002 and 2003, and that Secret Service accompanied
him at all times - which Sarnoff told Fox News was a
total lie
.
"I know from the pilot logs and these are pilot logs that you know were written by different pilots and at different times
that Clinton went, he was a guest of Epstein's 27 times ," said Sarnoff.
"It would not be surprising to find that some of these flight logs were likely designed to hide evidence of criminal activity
-- or perhaps later cleansed of such evidence," wrote the lawyers for some of Epstein's accusers in a 2015 court filing.
Investigators may be interested in asking Mr. Epstein's pilots whether they witnessed any efforts by Mr. Epstein to interfere
with law enforcement, according to legal experts. In recent court filings, prosecutors have
accused Mr. Epstein of tampering with witnesses , an allegation that Mr. Epstein's lawyers denied in court.
Federal prosecutors in Miami and Mr. Epstein's lawyers in 2007 negotiated over the possibility of Mr. Epstein pleading guilty
to obstruction of justice, including for an incident involving one of his pilots, according to emails that became public in civil
lawsuits. -
Wall Street Journal
Meanwhile, prosecutors confirmed in filings that there are " uncharged individuals " in Epstein's case - which has just gone away
- or has it?
This does significantly strain the overall credibility of the system, among those who would like nothing more than to believe
in it, but still have some conscience and working brain cells.
Yet having been raised fairly rural, with a significant respect for the natural cycles, this is nothing so much as watching
necrotic tissue decay even further. Only for those raised in fairly sterile conditions, does it seem abnormal.
this corruption in US politics and DOJ is now so so pervasive hat I think only way to clear the cancer is for trump to use the
Military to replace CIA, FBI, DOJ , clean out the Judges , clean out the Media and start again with STRICT compliance to the Laws
of the US Constitution.
The FBI /DOJ is clearly infested with the cancer of corruption.
The DC and NY offices need to be fired in entirety and replaced by mid America new blood.
I was wondering when I would see a Trump supporter explicitly promoting a military coup in the US in a Trump supportive blog with
the alibi of returning to "Constitution and Law strict compliance"...
No wonder a military coup is anti-constitutional....
I always thought all these stories of the "deep state", the "borg", "drainning the swmp", "paedophilia conspiracy theories",
"Epstein case", "white supremacism terrorism", and attacks by Trump, and his ideologues, against any US institution, were designed
to sow the enough ammount of distrust and confussion amongst the US population so that they become more rone to allow such an
outrage...
"The FBI /DOJ is clearly infested with the cancer of corruption."
Mainly since both ends of the bipartisan system try to hijack the independence of some these powers by placing their ideologically
kindred men any time they grab presidency. This includes Trump.
"The DC and NY offices need to be fired in entirety and replaced by mid America new blood."
A public officers corps which reachs its position by merits independent from political filiation is the best gurantee for a
Constitutional rule and a vaccine against authoritarian aims/intends like coup d´etats.
"... Last time we were promised someone whose integrity was “beyond question” we got Robert Mueller and a team of Hillary donors investigating a GOP President ..."
Epstein's suicide--while on suicide watch in a prison--is simply too convenient for too many wealthy, politically powerful
people (of both parties) whom he might have implicated. The investigation must be thorough, transparent, and by someone whose
integrity is beyond question.
We won't get a special counsel in a case
like this, but if I had the power to appoint one the choice would be easy: Jack Goldsmith of Harvard Law School. We need a
person of his exceptional ability and integrity to get to the bottom of this and stop the further erosion of trust.
Last time we were promised someone whose
integrity was “beyond question” we got Robert Mueller and a team of Hillary donors investigating a GOP President
"... What hopefully happens now is called "diffusion of responsibility". The AG is suitably "appalled". We find that the dumbest prison guard in the history of New York was rostered on that night. He was called away to the telephone- by what proved to be an overseas telemarketing call. The paper records got jammed in the printer. The supervisor had a flat tire on the way to work. The computer broke down. You know the drill. ..."
What hopefully happens now is called "diffusion of responsibility". The AG is suitably "appalled". We find that the dumbest prison
guard in the history of New York was rostered on that night. He was called away to the telephone- by what proved to be an overseas
telemarketing call. The paper records got jammed in the printer. The supervisor had a flat tire on the way to work. The computer
broke down. You know the drill.
I said "hopefully" because if an investigation discovers a perpetrator, then they will be dead in short order too. You always
remove two links between victim and murderer. That way the crime is impossible to investigate.
What this now means in practical terms is that HRC is free to run again for President.
Epstein may have been lured back to the US with some cover story of a get-out-of-jail fake death -- only the powers that be had
decided to terminate his contract.
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Notable quotes:
"... Maxwell, who was a business partner of Mega Group co-founder Charles Bronfman, aided the successful Mossad plot to plant a trapdoor in U.S.-created software that was then sold to governments and companies throughout the world. That plot’s success was largely due to the role of a close associate of then-President Ronald Reagan and an American politician close to Maxwell, who later helped aid Reagan in the cover-up of the Iran Contra scandal. ..."
"... Years later, Maxwell’s daughter — Ghislaine Maxwell — would join Jeffrey Epstein’s “inner circle” at the same time Epstein was bankrolling a similar software program now being marketed for critical electronic infrastructure in the U.S. and abroad ..."
"... Epstein appears to have ties to Israeli intelligence and has well-documented ties to influential Israeli politicians and the Mega Group. Yet, those entities are not isolated in and of themselves, as many also connect to the organized crime network and powerful alleged pedophiles discussed in previous installments of this series. ..."
"... Associated Press ..."
"... Lauder, then-ambassador to Austria for the Reagan administration, would have been well-positioned to acquire such a passport, particularly for the reason cited by Epstein’s attorneys that Jewish-Americans could be targeted during travel, and in light of Lauder’s very public concerns over threats Jews face from certain terror groups. Furthermore, the passport had been issued in 1987, when Lauder was still serving as an ambassador. ..."
"... Though Epstein’s defense attorney declined to reveal the identity of the “friend” who provided him with the fake Austrian passport, Lauder was both well-positioned to acquire it in Austria and also deeply connected to the Mega Group, which was co-founded by Epstein’s patron Leslie Wexner and to which Epstein has many connections. These connections to both the Austrian government and to Epstein’s mentor make Lauder the most likely person to have acquired the document on Epstein’s behalf. ..."
"... Furthermore, Lauder co-founded the Eastern European broadcasting network CETV with Mark Palmer, a former U.S. diplomat, Kissinger aide and Reagan speechwriter. Palmer is better known for co-founding the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), an organization often described as an accessory to U.S. intelligence, and one whose first president confessed to the Washington Post that “a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.” A 2001 report in the Evening Standard noted that Epstein once claimed that during the 1980s he worked for the CIA, but Epstein later backed away from that assertion. ..."
"... The Mega Group — a secretive group of billionaires to which Lauder belongs — was formed in 1991 by Charles Bronfman and Leslie Wexner, the latter of whom has received considerable media scrutiny following the July arrest of his former protege Jeffrey Epstein. Media profiles of the group paint it as “a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation’s wealthiest and most influential Jewish businessmen” focused on “philanthropy and Jewishness,” with membership dues upwards of $30,000 per year. Yet several of its most prominent members have ties to organized crime. ..."
"... When Edgar Bronfman died in 2013, long-time ADL Director Abe Foxman said , “Edgar was for many years Chair of our Liquor Industry Division, Chair of our New York Appeal, and one of our most significant benefactors.” Other Mega Group members that are donors and major supporters of the ADL include Ronald Lauder , Michael Steinhardt and the late Max Fisher . As previously mentioned, Roy Cohn’s father was a long-time leader of B’nai B’rith’s influential New England-New York chapter and Cohn was later a celebrated member of its banking and finance lodge. ..."
"... In addition, Mega Group members have also been key players in the pro-Israel lobby in the United States. For instance, Max Fisher of the Mega Group founded the National Jewish Coalition, now known as the Republican Jewish Coalition — the main pro-Israel neoconservative political lobbying group , known for its support of hawkish policies, and whose current chief patrons, Sheldon Adelson and Bernard Marcus, are among Donald Trump’s top donors. ..."
"... Sam Bronfman, as was detailed in Part I of this series, had long-standing deep ties to organized crime, specifically Meyer Lanksy’s organized crime syndicate. Yet, Bronfman’s private ambition, according to those close to him, was to become a respected member of high society. As a consequence, Bronfman worked hard to remove the stain that his mob associations had left on his public reputation in Canada and abroad. He accomplished this by becoming a leader in Canada’s Zionist movement and, by the end of the 1930s, he was head of the Canadian Jewish Congress and had begun to make a name for himself as a philanthropist for Jewish causes. ..."
"... Yet even some of Bronfman’s activism and philanthropy had hints of the mobster-like reputation he tried so hard to shake. For instance, Bronfman was actively involved in the illegal shipping of arms to Zionist paramilitaries in Palestine prior to 1948, specifically as a co-founder of the National Conference for Israeli and Jewish Rehabilitation that smuggled weapons to the paramilitary group Haganah. ..."
"... However, Edgar and Charles Bronfman were hardly the only members of the Mega Group with deep and long-standing ties to the Lansky-led National Crime Syndicate. Indeed, one of the group’s prominent members, hedge fund manager Michael Steinhardt, opened up about his own family ties to Lansky in his autobiography No Bull: My Life in and out the Markets , where he noted that his father, Sol “Red McGee” Steinhardt, was Lansky’s jewel fence of choice and a major player in New York’s criminal underworld. Sol Steinhardt was also his son’s first client on Wall Street and helped him jumpstart his career in finance. ..."
"... One surprise connection to Cohn involves Mega Group member, and former president of U.S. weapons firm General Dynamics, Lester Crown, whose brother-in-law is David Schine, Cohn’s confidant and alleged lover during the McCarthy hearings, whose relationship with Cohn helped bring about the downfall of McCarthyism. ..."
"... Leslie “Les” Wexner, the other Mega Group co-founder, also has ties to organized crime. Wexner’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein have come under scrutiny following the latter’s recent arrest, as Wexner was the only publicly acknowledged client of Epstein’s suspicious hedge fund, the source of much of this wealth, and the previous owner of Epstein’s $56 million Manhattan townhouse, which Wexner transferred to an Epstein-controlled entity for free. ..."
"... The 1996 Times article also noted that, after Wexner bought the residence for $13.2 million in 1989, he spent millions more decorating and furnishing the home, including the addition of the electronic equipment in the “James Bond” bathroom, only to apparently never live in it. ..."
"... Farmer’s account strongly suggests that, given the behavior of his personal security staff at his mansion following Epstein’s alleged assault on Farmer, Wexner was well aware of Epstein’s predatory behavior towards young women. This is compounded by claims made by Alan Dershowitz — a former lawyer for and friend of Epstein’s, who has also been accused of raping underage girls — that Wexner has also been accused of raping underage girls exploited by Epstein on at least seven occasions. ..."
"... The report, titled “ Shapiro Homicide Investigation: Analysis and Hypothesis ,” names Leslie Wexner as linked “with associates reputed to be organized crime figures” and also lists the names of businessman Jack Kessler, former Columbus City Council President and Wexner associate Jerry Hammond, and former Columbus City Council member Les Wright as also being involved in Shapiro’s murder. ..."
"... As to Wexner’s alleged links to organized crime, the report focuses on the close business relationship between Wexner’s The Limited and Francis Walsh, whose trucking company “[had] done an excess of 90 percent of the Limited’s trucking business around the time of Shapiro’s murder,” according to the report. Walsh was named in a 1988 indictment as a “co-conspirator” of Genovese crime family boss Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno, whose long-time lawyer was Roy Cohn; and the Shapiro murder report stated that Walsh was “still considered associates of the Genovese/LaRocca crime family, and Walsh was still providing truck transportation for The Limited.” ..."
"... According to a source who viewed a copy of the NSA transcript of the conversation, the intelligence officer, speaking in Hebrew, said, ‘The ambassador wants me to go to Mega to get a copy of this letter.’ The source said the supervisor in Tel Aviv rejected the request, saying, ‘This is not something we use Mega for.’” ..."
"... Almost one year to the day after the “Mega” spy scandal broke, the Wall Street Journal was the first outlet to report on the existence of a little-known organization of billionaires that was “informally” called the Mega Group and had been founded years prior in 1991. The report made no mention of the spy scandal that had spread concerns of Israeli espionage in the U.S. only a year prior. However, the group’s distinctive “informal” name and the connections of its members to the Mossad and to high-ranking Israeli politicians, including prime ministers, raise the possibility that “Mega” was not an individual, as the FBI and NSA had believed, but a group. ..."
"... Netanyahu was close enough to Lauder that he personally enlisted Lauder and George Nader to serve as his peace envoys to Syria. ..."
"... Nader, who was connected to the Trump 2016 campaign and Trump ally and Blackwater founder Erik Prince, was recently hit with federal child sex trafficking charges last month, soon after Jeffrey Epstein had been arrested on similar charges. At the time Nader was picked to work with Lauder on Netanyahu’s behalf, he had already been caught possessing large amounts of child pornography on two separate occasions, first in 1984 and later in 1990. ..."
"... Maxwell was also a close associate and friend of Israeli “superspy” Rafi Eitan, who, as previously mentioned, was Jonathan Pollard’s handler and who had previously worked directly with Meyer Lansky. ..."
"... With Inslaw out of the way, Brian sold the software all over the world. Eitan later recruited Robert Maxwell to become another Promis salesman, which he did remarkably well, even succeeding in selling the software to Soviet intelligence and conspiring with Republican Texas Senator John Tower to have the software adopted by the U.S. government laboratory at Los Alamos. Dozens of countries used the software on their most carefully guarded computer systems, unaware that Mossad now had access to everything Promis touched. ..."
"... According to journalist Robert Fisk , Maxwell was also involved in the Mossad abduction of Israeli nuclear weapons whistleblower Vanunu Mordechai. Mordechai had attempted to provide the media with information on the extent of Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which was eventually published by the Sunday Times of London . Yet, Mordechai had also contacted the Daily Mirror with the information, the Mirror being an outlet that was owned by Maxwell and whose foreign editor was a close Maxwell associate and alleged Mossad asset, Nicholas Davies. Journalist Seymour Hersh alleged that Davies had also been involved in Israeli arms deals. ..."
"... Per Fisk, it was Maxwell who contacted the Israeli Embassy in London and told them of Mordechai’s activities. This led to Mordechai’s entrapment by a female Mossad agent who seduced him as part of a “honey trap” operation that led to his kidnapping and later imprisonment in Israel. Mordechai served an 18-year sentence, 12 years of which were in solitary confinement. ..."
"... According to authors Gordon Thomas and Martin Dillon, Maxwell had sealed his own fate when he attempted to threaten top Mossad officials with the exposure of certain operations if they did not help him rescue his media empire from crippling debt and financial difficulties. Many of Maxwell’s creditors , who had grown increasingly displeased with the media mogul, were Israeli and several of them were alleged to be Mossad-connected themselves. ..."
"... Another attendee of the Maxwell yacht party was former Secretary of the Navy and former Henry Kissinger staffer Jon Lehman, who would go on to associate with the controversial neoconservative think tank, Project for a New American Century. Prior to being secretary of the Navy, Lehman had been president of the Abington Corporation, which hired arch-neocon Richard Perle to manage the portfolio of Israeli arms dealers Shlomo Zabludowicz and his son Chaim, who paid Ablington $10,000 month. A scandal arose when those payments continued after both Lehman and Perle joined the Reagan Department of Defense and while Perle was working to persuade the Pentagon to buy arms from companies linked to Zabludowicz. Perle had been part of the Reagan transition team along with Roy Cohn’s long-time friend and law partner Tom Bolan (another Maxwell yacht guest). ..."
"... Even though Jeffrey Epstein appears to have had ties to the Mossad, this series has revealed that the networks to which Epstein was connected were not Mossad-exclusive, as many of the individuals close to Epstein — Lesie Wexner, for instance — were part of a mob-connected class of oligarchs with deep ties to both the U.S. and Israel. ..."
"... Ultimately, the picture painted by the evidence is not a direct tie to a single intelligence agency but a web linking key members of the Mega Group, politicians, and officials in both the U.S. and Israel, and an organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties in both nations. ..."
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s billionaire pedophile and alleged sex-trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein sits in prison, reports
have continued to surface about his reported links to intelligence, his financial ties to
several companies and “charitable” foundations, and his friendships with the rich
and powerful as well as top politicians.
While Part
I and Part
II of this series, “The Jeffrey Epstein Scandal: Too Big to Fail,” have focused
on the widespread nature of sexual blackmail operations in recent American history and their
ties to the heights of American political power and the U.S. intelligence community, one key
aspect of Epstein’s own sex-trafficking and blackmail operation that warrants examination
is Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence and his ties to the “informal”
pro-Israel philanthropist faction known as “the Mega Group.”
The Mega Group’s role in the Epstein case has garnered some attention, as
Epstein’s main financial patron for decades, billionaire Leslie Wexner, was a co-founder
of the group that unites several well-known businessmen with a penchant for pro-Israel and
ethno-philanthropy (i.e., philanthropy benefiting a single ethnic or ethno-religious group).
However, as this report will show, another uniting factor among Mega Group members is deep ties
to organized crime, specifically the organized crime network discussed in Part
I of this series, which was largely led by notorious American mobster Meyer Lansky.
By virtue of the role of many Mega Group members as major political donors in both the U.S.
and Israel, several of its most notable members have close ties to the governments of both
countries as well as their intelligence communities. As this report and a subsequent report
will show, the Mega Group also had close ties to two businessmen who worked for Israel’s
Mossad — Robert Maxwell and Marc Rich — as well as to top Israeli politicians,
including past and present prime ministers with deep ties to Israel’s intelligence
community.
One of those businessmen working for the Mossad, Robert Maxwell, will be discussed at length
in this report. Maxwell, who was a business partner of Mega Group co-founder Charles Bronfman,
aided the successful Mossad plot to plant a trapdoor in U.S.-created software that was then
sold to governments and companies throughout the world. That plot’s success was largely
due to the role of a close associate of then-President Ronald Reagan and an American politician
close to Maxwell, who later helped aid Reagan in the cover-up of the Iran Contra scandal.
Years later, Maxwell’s daughter — Ghislaine Maxwell — would join Jeffrey
Epstein’s “inner circle” at the same time Epstein was bankrolling a similar
software program now being marketed for critical electronic infrastructure in the U.S. and
abroad. That company has deep and troubling connections to Israeli military intelligence,
associates of the Trump administration, and the Mega Group.
Epstein appears to have ties to Israeli intelligence and has well-documented ties to
influential Israeli politicians and the Mega Group. Yet, those entities are not isolated in and
of themselves, as many also connect to the organized crime network and powerful alleged
pedophiles discussed in previous installments of this series.
Perhaps the best illustration of how the connections between many of these players often
meld together can be seen in Ronald Lauder: a Mega Group member, former member of the Reagan
administration, long-time donor to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel’s
Likud Party, as well as a long-time friend of Donald Trump and Roy Cohn.
From cosmetics
heir to political player
One often overlooked yet famous client and friend of Roy Cohn is the billionaire heir to the
Estee Lauder cosmetics fortune, Ronald Lauder. Lauder is often described in the press as a
“leading Jewish philanthropist” and is the president of the World Jewish Congress,
yet his many media profiles tend to leave out his highly political past.
In a
statement given by Lauder to New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman in 2018, the
cosmetics heir noted that he has known Trump for over 50 years, going back at least to the
early 1970s. According to Lauder, his relationship with Trump began when Trump was a student at
the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, which Lauder also
attended.
Image deleted: President-elect Trump walks with Ronald Lauder after meeting at Mar-a-Lago, Dec. 28, 2016,
in Palm Beach, Fla. Evan Vucci | AP
Though the exact nature of their early friendship is unclear, it is evident that they shared
many of the same connections, including to the man who would later count them both as his
clients, Roy Cohn. While much has been said of the ties between Cohn and Trump, Cohn was
particularly close to Lauder’s mother, Estee Lauder (born Josephine Mentzer). Estee was
even counted among Cohn’s most high-profile friends in
his New York Times obituary .
A small window into the Lauder-Cohn relationship surfaced briefly in a
2016 article in Politico about a 1981 dinner party held at Cohn’s weekend home
in Greenwich, Connecticut. The party was attended by Ronald Lauder’s parents, Estee and
Joe, as well as Trump and his then-wife Ivana, who had
a weekend home just two miles away. That party was held soon after Cohn had helped Reagan
secure the presidency and had reached the height of his political influence. At the party, Cohn
offered toasts to Reagan and to then-Senator for New York Alfonse D’Amato, who
would later urge Ronald Lauder to run for political office.
Two years later, in 1983, Ronald Lauder — whose only professional experience at that
point was working for his parent’s cosmetics company — was appointed to serve as United
States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Affairs. Soon after his
appointment, he served on the
Dinner Tribute Committee for a dinner hosted by the Jewish fraternal and strongly pro-Israel
organization B’nai B’rith, the parent organization of the controversial
Anti-Defamation League (ADL), in Roy Cohn’s honor. Cohn’s influential father,
Albert Cohn, was the long-time
president of B’nai B’rith’s powerful New England-New York chapter and Roy
Cohn himself was a member of B’nai B’rith’s Banking and Finance Lodge.
The dinner specifically sought
to honor Cohn for his pro-Israel advocacy and his efforts to “fortify”
Israel’s economy, and its honorary chairmen included media mogul Rupert Murdoch, Donald
Trump and then-head of Bear Stearns Alan Greenberg, all of whom are
connected to Jeffrey Epstein.
During his time as deputy assistant secretary of defense, Lauder was also very active in
Israeli politics and had already become an ally of the then-Israeli representative to the
United Nations and future prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. Lauder would go on to
be one of the most important individuals in Netanyahu’s rise to power, particularly
during his upset victory in 1996, and a major financier of
Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.
In 1986, the year that Roy Cohn died, Lauder left his post at the Pentagon and became the
U.S. ambassador to Austria, where his tenure was shaped by
his confrontations with the then-Austrian president and former Nazi collaborator, Kurt
Waldheim. Lauder’s interest in Austrian politics has continued well into recent years,
culminating in accusations that he sought
to manipulate Austrian elections in 2012.
After leaving his ambassadorship, Lauder
founded the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation in 1987 and later went on to run for Mayor of New
York against Rudy Giuliani in 1989. Lauder
was encouraged to run by then-Senator Alfonse D’Amato, who had close ties to Roy Cohn
and his long-time law partner Tom Bolan, who was
D’Amato’s adviser . At the aforementioned 1983 B’nai B’rith dinner
honoring Cohn, D’Amato was the featured speaker.
The likely reason was that Giuliani, though once an ally of the “Roy Cohn
machine,” was at the time
deeply disliked by the late Cohn’s associates for prosecuting Cohn’s former law
partner, Stanley Friedman, for racketeering, conspiracy and other charges. Giuliani also had a
history of bitter disagreements with D’Amato. Lauder’s primary campaign, though
unsuccessful, was noted for its viciousness and its cost, as it
burned through more than $13 million.
A few years later, in the early 1990s, Lauder would join a newly formed group that has long
evaded scrutiny from the media but has recently become of interest in connection with the
Jeffrey Epstein scandal: the Mega Group.
Lauder, Epstein and the mysterious Austrian
passport
Before getting to the Mega Group, it is worth noting one particular act apparently
undertaken by Lauder while he was U.S. ambassador to Austria that has recently come to light in
relation to the arrest in early July of Jeffrey Epstein, a finding first reported by journalist
Edward Szall. When police recently discovered an Austrian passport with Epstein’s picture
and a fake name after raiding his Manhattan residence, the source and purpose of the passport
came under media scrutiny.
According to the Associated Press ,
Epstein’s defense lawyers specifically argued that “a friend gave it to him
[Epstein] in the 1980s after some Jewish-Americans were informally advised to carry
identification bearing a non-Jewish name when traveling internationally during a period when
hijackings were more common.” This claim appears to be related to concerns that followed
the hijacking
of Air France Flight 139 in 1976 when Israeli and Jewish hostages were separated from other
hostages based largely on the passports in their possession.
Given that Epstein was unable to meet the conventional qualifications for an Austrian
passport — including long-term residency in Austria (the passport lists him as a resident
of Saudi Arabia) and fluency in German — it appears that the only way to have acquired an
Austrian passport was by unconventional means, meaning assistance from a well-connected
Austrian official or foreign diplomat with clout in Austria.
Image deleted: Ronald Lauder, right, and Austrian Chancellor Viktor Klima pose with students from the
Lauder Chabad School in Vienna, Austria in 1999. Martin Gnedt | AP
Lauder, then-ambassador to Austria for the Reagan administration, would have been
well-positioned to acquire such a passport, particularly for the reason cited by
Epstein’s attorneys that Jewish-Americans could be targeted during travel, and in light
of Lauder’s very public concerns over threats Jews face from certain terror groups.
Furthermore, the passport had been issued in 1987, when Lauder was still serving as an
ambassador.
In addition, Lauder
was well-connected to Epstein’s former patron — former head of Bear Stearns
Alan Greenberg, who had hired Epstein in the late 1970s immediately after the latter was fired
from the Dalton School — and Donald Trump,
another friend of Lauder and Greenberg who began his friendship with Epstein in 1987, the
same year the fake Austrian passport was issued. In 1987, Epstein also began his relationship
with his principal financier, Leslie Wexner, who is also closely associated with Lauder (though
some sources claim that Epstein and Wexner first met in 1985 but that their strong business
relationship was not established until 1987).
Though Epstein’s defense attorney declined to reveal the identity of the
“friend” who provided him with the fake Austrian passport, Lauder was both
well-positioned to acquire it in Austria and also deeply connected to the Mega Group, which was
co-founded by Epstein’s patron Leslie Wexner and to which Epstein has many connections.
These connections to both the Austrian government and to Epstein’s mentor make Lauder the
most likely person to have acquired the document on Epstein’s behalf.
Furthermore, Epstein and the Mega Group’s ties to the Israeli intelligence agency,
Mossad, also suggest Lauder was involved in procuring the passport, in light of his close ties
to the Israeli government and the fact that Mossad
has a history of using ambassadors abroad to procure false, foreign passports for its
operatives.
Lauder himself has been alleged to have ties to Mossad, as he is a long-time funder of IDC
Herzliya, an Israeli university
closely associated with Mossad and their recruiters as well as Israeli military
intelligence. Lauder even founded IDC Herzliya’s
Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and Strategy.
Furthermore, Lauder co-founded the Eastern European broadcasting network CETV with Mark
Palmer, a former U.S. diplomat, Kissinger aide and Reagan speechwriter. Palmer is better known
for co-founding the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), an organization often described as
an accessory to U.S. intelligence, and one whose first president confessed to
the Washington Post that “a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years
ago by the CIA.” A 2001 report in the Evening Standard noted that Epstein
once
claimed that during the 1980s he worked for the CIA, but Epstein later backed away from
that assertion.
The origins of the Mega Group Mafia
The Mega Group — a secretive group of billionaires to which Lauder belongs — was
formed in 1991 by Charles Bronfman and Leslie Wexner, the latter of whom has received
considerable media scrutiny following the July arrest of his former protege Jeffrey Epstein.
Media profiles
of the group paint it as “a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation’s wealthiest
and most influential Jewish businessmen” focused on “philanthropy and
Jewishness,” with membership dues upwards of $30,000 per year. Yet several of its most
prominent members have ties to organized crime.
Mega Group members founded and/or are closely associated with some of the most well-known
pro-Israel organizations. For instance, members Charles Bronfman and Michael Steinhardt
formed
Birthright Taglit with the backing of then- and current Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Steinhardt, an atheist, has stated that his motivation in helping to found the group was to
advance his own belief that devotion
to and faith in the state of Israel should serve as “a substitute for [Jewish]
theology.”
Other well-known groups associated with the Mega Group include the World Jewish Congress
— whose past president, Edgar Bronfman, and current president, Ronald Lauder, are both
Mega Group members — and B’nai B’rith, particularly its spin-off known as the
Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The Bronfman brothers were major donors to the ADL, with Edgar
Bronfman serving as the
ADL’s honorary national vice-chair for several years.
Image deleted: Former Israeli president Shimon Peres, second from left, listens to Edgar Bronfman during a
1995 lunch thrown in Peres’ honor. From left are: Laurence Tisch, Chairman, President and
Chief executive officer of CBS; Israeli Ambassador to the United States. Itamar Rabinowitz and
Bronfman. David Karp | AP
When Edgar Bronfman died in 2013, long-time ADL Director Abe Foxman said ,
“Edgar was for many years Chair of our Liquor Industry Division, Chair of our New York
Appeal, and one of our most significant benefactors.” Other Mega Group members that are
donors and major supporters of the ADL include
Ronald Lauder ,
Michael Steinhardt and the late Max
Fisher . As previously mentioned, Roy Cohn’s father was a long-time leader of
B’nai B’rith’s influential New England-New York chapter and Cohn was later a
celebrated member of its banking and finance lodge.
In addition, Mega Group members have also been key players in the pro-Israel lobby in the
United States. For instance, Max Fisher of the Mega Group
founded the National Jewish Coalition, now
known as the Republican Jewish Coalition — the main pro-Israel
neoconservative political lobbying group , known for its support of hawkish policies, and
whose current chief patrons, Sheldon Adelson and Bernard Marcus, are among Donald Trump’s
top donors.
Though the Mega Group has officially existed only since 1991, the use of
“philanthropy” to provide cover for more unscrupulous lobbying or business
activities was pioneered decades earlier by Sam Bronfman, the father of Mega Group members
Edgar and Charles Bronfman. While other North American elites like J.D. Rockefeller had
previously used philanthropic giving as a means of laundering their reputations,
Bronfman’s approach to philanthropy was unique because it was focused on giving
specifically to other members of his own ethno-religious background.
Sam Bronfman, as was detailed in Part
I of this series, had long-standing deep ties to organized crime, specifically Meyer
Lanksy’s organized crime syndicate. Yet, Bronfman’s private ambition, according to
those close to him, was to become a respected member of high society. As a consequence,
Bronfman worked hard to remove the stain that his mob associations had left on his public
reputation in Canada and abroad. He accomplished this by becoming a leader in Canada’s
Zionist movement and, by the end of the 1930s, he
was head of the Canadian Jewish Congress and had begun to make a name for himself as a
philanthropist for Jewish causes.
Yet even some of Bronfman’s activism and philanthropy had hints of the mobster-like
reputation he tried so hard to shake. For instance, Bronfman was actively involved in the
illegal shipping of arms to Zionist paramilitaries in Palestine prior to 1948, specifically as
a co-founder of the National Conference for Israeli and Jewish Rehabilitation that
smuggled weapons to the paramilitary group Haganah.
At the same time Bronfman was abetting the illegal smuggling of weapons to the Haganah, his
associates in the criminal underworld were doing the same. After World War II, close aides of
David Ben-Gurion, who would later become the first prime minister of Israel and was
instrumental in the founding of Mossad, forged tight-knit
relationships with Meyer Lansky, Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel, Mickey Cohen and
other Jewish gangsters of the period. They used their clandestine networks to establish a vast
arms smuggling network between the United States and Zionist settlements in Palestine, arming
both the Haganah and the Irgun paramilitary groups. As noted in Part I of this report, at the
same time these gangsters were aiding the illegal arming of ZIonsit paramilitaries, they were
strengthening their ties to U.S. intelligence that had first been formally (though covertly)
established in World War II.
After Israel was founded, Sam Bronfman worked with future Israeli Prime Minister
Shimon Peres to negotiate the sale of Canadian armaments at half-price to Israel and the
bargain weapons purchase was paid for entirely by a fundraising dinner hosted by Bronfman and
his wife. Many years later, Peres would go on
to introduce another future prime minister of Israel, Ehud Barak, to Jeffrey Epstein.
The rest of the Bronfman family’s march on “the road to respectability”
was undertaken by Bronfman’s children, who married into aristocratic families such as
the
European Rothschilds and the Wall Street “royalty” of
the Lehmans and the Loebs .
The Bronfmans’ newfound respectability did not mean that their association with the
Lansky-led criminal empire had dissolved. Indeed, prominent members of the Seagrams dynasty
came under fire in the 1960s and 1970s for their
close association with Willie “Obie” Obront, a major figure in Canadian
organized crime, whom Canadian professor Stephen Schneider has referred to as the Meyer Lansky
of Canada.
However, Edgar and Charles Bronfman were hardly the only members of the Mega Group with deep
and long-standing ties to the Lansky-led National Crime Syndicate. Indeed, one of the
group’s prominent members, hedge fund manager Michael Steinhardt, opened up about his own
family ties to Lansky in his autobiography No Bull: My Life in and out the Markets ,
where he noted that his father, Sol “Red McGee” Steinhardt, was Lansky’s jewel
fence of choice and
a major player in New York’s criminal underworld. Sol Steinhardt was also his
son’s first client on Wall Street and helped him jumpstart his career in finance.
The ties between the Mega Group and the National Crime Syndicate don’t stop there.
Another prominent member of the Mega Group with ties to this same criminal network is Max
Fisher, who has been described as Wexner’s mentor and is also alleged
to have worked with Detroit’s “Purple Gang” during Prohibition and
beyond. The Purple Gang were part of the network that smuggled Bronfman liquor from Canada into
the United State during Prohibition, and one of its founders, Abe Bernstein, was
a close associate of both Meyer Lansky and Moe Dalitz. Fisher was a
key adviser to several U.S. presidents, beginning with Dwight D. Eisenhower, as well as to
Henry Kissinger.
Image removed: Max Fisher, center, and Henry Kissinger, right, meet with leaders of Jewish organizations
prior to Kissinger’s 1975 Middle East trip. Henry Burroughs | AP
In addition to Fisher, Mega Group member Ronald Lauder was connected to Roy Cohn and Tom
Bolan, both of whom were closely associated with this same Lansky-led crime network (see
Part
I and
Part
II ) and who regularly represented top Mafia figures in court. Furthermore, another member
of the Mega Group, director Steven Spielberg, is
a
well-known protege of Lew Wasserman, the mob-connected media mogul and long-time backer of
Ronald Reagan’s film and later political career, discussed in
Part
II of this series.
One surprise connection to Cohn involves Mega Group member, and former president of U.S.
weapons firm General Dynamics, Lester Crown, whose brother-in-law is David Schine, Cohn’s
confidant and alleged lover during the McCarthy hearings, whose
relationship with Cohn helped bring about the downfall of McCarthyism.
Another member of the Mega Group worth noting is Laurence Tisch, who owned CBS News
for several years and founded Loews Corporation. Tisch is notable for his work
for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the precursor to the CIA, where Donald Barr,
who hired Epstein at the Dalton School, also served and which forged ties with Lansky’s
criminal empire during World War II.
Wexner’s mansions and the Shapiro murder
Leslie “Les” Wexner, the other Mega Group co-founder, also has ties to organized
crime. Wexner’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein have come under scrutiny following the
latter’s recent arrest, as Wexner was the only publicly acknowledged client of
Epstein’s suspicious hedge fund, the source of much of this wealth, and the previous
owner of Epstein’s $56 million Manhattan townhouse, which Wexner transferred to an
Epstein-controlled entity for free.
Before Epstein received the townhouse, Wexner appears to have used the residence for some
unconventional purposes, noted in a 1996 New York
Times article on the then-Wexner-owned residence, which included “a bathroom
reminiscent of James Bond movies: hidden beneath a stairway, lined with lead to provide shelter
from attack and supplied with closed-circuit television screens and a telephone, both concealed
in a cabinet beneath the sink.” The Times article does not speculate as to the
purpose of this equipment, though the allusion to famous fictional superspy James Bond suggests
that it may have been used to snoop on guests or conduct electronic surveillance.
The 1996 Times article also noted that, after Wexner bought the residence for $13.2
million in 1989, he spent millions more decorating and furnishing the home, including the
addition of the electronic equipment in the “James Bond” bathroom, only to
apparently never live in it. The Times , which interviewed Epstein for the piece, quoted
him as saying that “Les never spent more than two months there.” Epstein told the
Times , which identified Epstein as Wexner’s “protege and one of his
financial advisers,” that the house, by that time, already belonged to him.
That same year, Epstein was commissioning artwork for Wexner’s Ohio mansion. A
recent
article from the Times noted that:
In the summer of 1996, Maria Farmer was working on an art project for Mr. Epstein in
Mr. Wexner’s Ohio mansion. While she was there, Mr. Epstein sexually assaulted her,
according to an affidavit Ms. Farmer filed earlier this year in federal court in Manhattan.
She said that she fled the room and called the police, but that Mr. Wexner’s security
staff refused to let her leave for 12 hours.”
Farmer’s account strongly suggests that, given the behavior of his personal security
staff at his mansion following Epstein’s alleged assault on Farmer, Wexner was well
aware of Epstein’s predatory behavior towards young women. This is compounded by claims
made by Alan Dershowitz — a former lawyer for and friend of Epstein’s, who has
also been accused of raping underage girls — that Wexner has also been accused of raping underage
girls exploited by Epstein on at least seven occasions.
The presence of the electronic equipment in his home’s bathroom, other oddities
related to the townhouse, and aspects of the links between Epstein and Wexner suggest there is
more to Wexner, who has rather successfully developed a public image of a respectable
businessman and philanthropist, much like other prominent members of the Mega
Group.
Image removed: Leslie Wexner and his wife Abigail tour the “Transfigurations” exhibit at the
Wexner Center for the Arts. Jay LaPrete | AP
However, bits and pieces of Wexner’s private secrets have occasionally bubbled up,
only to be subjected to rapid cover-ups amidst concerns of “libeling” the powerful
and well-connected billionaire “philanthropist.”
In 1985, Columbus (Ohio) lawyer Arthur Shapiro was murdered in broad daylight
at point-blank range in what was largely referred to as a “mob style murder.” The
homicide still remains unsolved, likely due to the fact that then-Columbus Police Chief James
Jackson ordered the destruction of key documents of his department’s investigation into
the murder.
Jackson’s ordering of the documents’ destruction came to light years later in
1996, when he was under investigation for corruption. According to the Columbus Dispatch ,
Jackson justified the destruction of one “ viable and valuable ” report
because he felt that it “was so filled with wild speculation about prominent business
leaders that it was potentially libelous.” The nature of this “wild
speculation” was that “millionaire businessmen in Columbus and Youngstown were
linked to the ‘mob-style murder.’”
Though Jackson’s efforts were meant to keep this “libelous” report far
from public view, it was eventually obtained by Bob Fitrakis —
attorney, journalist, and executive director of the Columbus Institute for Contemporary
Journalism — after he was “accidentally” sent a copy of the report in 1998 as
part of a public records request.
The report, titled “ Shapiro Homicide Investigation: Analysis and
Hypothesis ,” names Leslie Wexner as linked “with associates reputed to be
organized crime figures” and also lists the names of businessman Jack Kessler, former
Columbus City Council President and Wexner associate Jerry Hammond, and former Columbus City
Council member Les Wright as also being involved in Shapiro’s murder.
The report also noted that Arthur Shapiro’s law firm — Schwartz, Shapiro, Kelm
& Warren — represented Wexner’s company, The Limited, and states that
“prior to his death, Arthur Shapiro managed this account [The Limited] for the law
firm.” It also noted that, at the time of his death, Shapiro “was the subject of an
investigation by the Internal Revenue Service because he had failed to file income tax returns
for some seven years prior to his death, and he had invested in some questionable tax
shelters.” It also stated that his death prevented Shapiro from his planned testimony at
a grand jury hearing about these “questionable tax shelters.”
As to Wexner’s alleged links to organized crime, the report focuses on the close
business relationship between Wexner’s The Limited and Francis Walsh, whose trucking
company “[had] done an excess of 90 percent of the Limited’s trucking business
around the time of Shapiro’s murder,” according to the report. Walsh was named in
a 1988 indictment as a “co-conspirator” of Genovese crime family boss Anthony
“Fat Tony” Salerno, whose long-time lawyer was Roy Cohn; and the Shapiro murder
report stated that Walsh was “still considered associates of the Genovese/LaRocca crime
family, and Walsh was still providing truck transportation for The Limited.”
Notably, the Genovese crime family has long formed a key part of the National Crime
Syndicate, as its former head, Charles “Lucky” Luciano, co-created the criminal organization
with his close friend Meyer Lansky. Upon Luciano’s imprisonment and subsequent
deportation from the United States, Lansky took over the syndicate’s U.S. operations and
his association with Luciano’s successors continued until Lansky’s death in
1983.
The “Mega” Mystery and the Mossad
In May 1997, the Washington Post broke
an explosive story — long since forgotten — based on an intercepted phone call
made between a Mossad official in the U.S. and his superior in Tel Aviv that discussed the
Mossad’s efforts to obtain a secret U.S. government document. According to the
Post, the Mossad official stated during the phone call that “Israeli Ambassador
Eliahu Ben Elissar had asked him whether he could obtain a copy of the letter given to
[Palestinian leader Yasser] Arafat by [then-Secretary of State Warren] Christopher on Jan. 16,
the day after the Hebron accord was signed by Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin
Netanyahu.”
The Post article continued:
According to a source who viewed a copy of the NSA transcript of the conversation, the
intelligence officer, speaking in Hebrew, said, ‘The ambassador wants me to go to Mega
to get a copy of this letter.’ The source said the supervisor in Tel Aviv rejected the
request, saying, ‘This is not something we use Mega for.’”
The leaked communication led to an investigation that sought to identify an individual
code-named “Mega” that the Post said “may be someone in the U.S.
government who has provided information to the Israelis in the past,” a concern that
subsequently spawned a fruitless FBI investigation. The Mossad later claimed that
“Mega” was merely a codeword for the U.S.’ CIA, but the FBI and NSA were
unconvinced by that claim and
believed that it was a senior U.S. government official that had potentially once been
involved in working with Jonathan Pollard, the former U.S. naval intelligence analyst later
convicted of spying for the Mossad.
Almost one year to the day after the “Mega” spy scandal broke, the Wall
Street Journal was the first outlet to report on the
existence of a little-known organization of billionaires that was “informally”
called the Mega Group and had been founded years prior in 1991. The report made no mention of
the spy scandal that had spread concerns of Israeli espionage in the U.S. only a year prior.
However, the group’s distinctive “informal” name and the connections of its
members to the Mossad and to high-ranking Israeli politicians, including prime ministers, raise
the possibility that “Mega” was not an individual, as the FBI and NSA had believed,
but a group.
In 1997, when the “Mega” spy scandal broke, Netanyahu had recently become prime
minister of Israel after an upset victory, a victory that was
largely credited to one well-connected Netanyahu backer in particular, Ronald Lauder.
Beyond being a major donor, Lauder had brought Arthur Finklestein on to work for
Netanyahu’s 1996 campaign, whose strategies were credited for Netanyahu’s surprise
win. Netanyahu was close enough to Lauder that he personally enlisted Lauder and George Nader
to serve as his peace envoys to Syria.
Image removed: Benjamin Netanyahu and his wife Sara with Ronald Lauder in 1997. Photo | Reuters
Nader, who was connected to the Trump 2016 campaign and Trump ally and Blackwater
founder Erik Prince, was
recently hit with federal child sex trafficking charges last month, soon after Jeffrey
Epstein had been arrested on similar charges. At the time Nader was picked to work with Lauder
on Netanyahu’s behalf, he had
already been caught possessing large amounts of child pornography on two separate
occasions, first in 1984 and later in 1990.
This strong connection between Netanyahu and Lauder during the time of the 1997
“Mega” spy scandal is important considering Mossad answers directly to
Israel’s prime minister.
Another possible connection between the Mega Group and the Mossad owes to the Mega
Group’s ties to Meyer Lansky’s criminal network. As was detailed in Part I, Lansky
had established deep ties to U.S. intelligence after World War II and was also connected to the
Mossad through Mossad official Tibor Rosenbaum, whose bank was frequently used by Lansky to
launder money. In addition, Lansky collaborated on at least one occasion with notorious Mossad
“superspy” Rafi Eitan, who he
helped acquire sensitive electronic equipment possessed only by the CIA but coveted by
Israeli intelligence. Eitan is best known in the U.S. for being the Mossad handler of Jonathan
Pollard.
Notably, Eitan was the main source of
claims that the code-word “Mega” used by the Mossad officials in 1997 referred to
the CIA and not to a potential source in the U.S. government once linked to Pollard’s
spying activities, making his claims as to the true meaning of the term somewhat dubious.
Given that the organized crime network tied to the Mega Group had ties to both U.S. and
Israeli intelligence, the “Mega” codeword could plausibly have referred to this
secretive group of billionaires. More supporting evidence for this theory comes from the fact
that prominent members of the Mega Group were business partners of Mossad agents, including
media mogul Robert Maxwell and commodities trader Marc Rich.
The mysterious Maxwells
The Maxwell family has become a source of renewed media interest following Jeffrey
Epstein’s arrest, as Ghislaine Maxwell, long described in the media as a British
“socialite,” was publicly cited as Epstein’s long-time “on and
off” girlfriend, and Epstein’s victims, as well as former wives of Epstein’s
friends, have claimed that she was Epstein’s “pimp” and procured underage
girls for his sexual blackmail operation. Ghislaine Maxwell is also alleged to have
engaged in the rape of the girls she procured for Epstein and to have used them to produce
child pornography.
Ghislaine was the favorite and youngest daughter of media mogul Robert Maxwell. Maxwell,
born Jan Ludvick Hoch, had joined the British Army in World War II. Afterwards, according to
authors John
Loftus and Mark Aarons , he greatly influenced the Czechoslovakian government’s
decision to arm Zionist paramilitaries during the 1948 war that resulted in Israel’s
creation as a state, and Maxwell himself was also involved in the smuggling of aircraft parts
to Israel.
Around this time, Maxwell was approached by British intelligence outfit MI6 and offered a
position that Maxwell ultimately declined. MI6 then classified
him as “Zionist — loyal only to Israel” and made him a person of interest. He
later became an agent of the Mossad, according to several books including Seymour Hersh’s
The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, and
Robert Maxwell: Israel’s Superspy by Gordon Thomas and Martin Dillon.
Mossad was financing many of its operations in Europe from money stolen from
Maxwell’s newspaper pension fund. They got their hands on the funds almost as soon as
Maxwell made the purchase of the Mirror Newspaper Group with money lent to him by
Mossad.”
In exchange for his services, the Mossad helped Maxwell satisfy his sexual appetite during
his visits to Israel,
providing him with prostitutes, “the service maintained for blackmail
purposes.” It was later revealed that the hotel in which he stayed in Israel was bugged
with cameras, allowing the Mossad to acquire “a small library of video footage of Maxwell
in sexually compromising positions.” As with the CIA, the Mossad’s use of blackmail
against both friend and foe is well-documented
and known to be
extensive .
Maxwell was also a close associate and friend of Israeli “superspy” Rafi Eitan,
who, as previously mentioned, was Jonathan Pollard’s handler and who had previously
worked directly with Meyer Lansky. Eitan
had learned of a revolutionary new software being used by the U.S. government known as
“Promis” from Earl Brian, a long-time associate and aide to Ronald Reagan. Promis
is often considered the forerunner to the “Prism” software used by spy agencies
today and was developed by William Hamilton, who leased the software to the U.S. government
through his company, Inslaw, in 1982.
Image removed: Ariel Sharon (right)meets with Robert Maxwell in Jerusalem on Feb. 20, 1990. Photo | AP
According to author and former BBC investigative journalist Gordon Thomas, Brian
was angry that the U.S. Department of Justice was successfully using Promis to go after
organized crime and money-laundering activities and Eitan felt that the program could aid
Israel. At the time, Eitan was the director of the now defunct Israeli military intelligence
agency Lekem, which gathered scientific and technical intelligence abroad from both public and
covert sources, especially in relation to Israel’s nuclear weapons program.
A plan was hatched to
install a “trapdoor” into the software and then market Promis throughout the
world, providing the Mossad with invaluable intelligence on the operations of its enemies and
allies while also providing Eitan and Brian with copious amounts of cash. According to the
testimony of ex-Mossad official Ari Ben-Menashe, Brian
provided a copy of Promis to Israel’s military intelligence, which contacted an
Israeli American programmer living in California who then planted the “trapdoor” in
the software. The CIA was later said to have installed its own trapdoor in the software
but it is unknown if they did so with a version of the already bugged software and how widely
it was adopted relative to the version bugged by Israeli intelligence.
After the trapdoor was inserted, the problem became selling the bugged version of the
software to governments as well as private companies around the world, particularly in areas of
interest. Brian first attempted to buy out Inslaw and Promis and then use that same company to
sell the bugged version.
Unsuccessful, Brian turned to his close friend, then-Attorney General Ed Meese whose Justice
Department then abruptly refused to
make the payments to Inslaw that were stipulated by the contract, essentially using the
software for free, which Inslaw claimed to be theft. Some have speculated that Meese’s
role in that decision was shaped, not only by his friendship with Brian, but the fact that his
wife was a major investor in
Brian’s business ventures. Meese would later become an adviser to Donald Trump when he
was president-elect.
Inslaw was forced to declare bankruptcy as a result of Meese’s actions and sued the
Justice Department. The court later found that
the Meese-led department “took, converted, stole” the software through
“trickery, fraud and deceit.”
With Inslaw out of the way, Brian sold the software all over the world. Eitan later
recruited Robert Maxwell to become another Promis salesman, which he did remarkably well, even
succeeding in selling the software to Soviet intelligence and conspiring
with Republican Texas Senator John Tower to have the software adopted by the U.S.
government laboratory at Los Alamos. Dozens of countries used the software on their most
carefully guarded computer systems, unaware that Mossad now had access to everything Promis
touched.
Whereas the Mossad’s past reliance on gathering intelligence had relied on the same
tactics used by its equivalents in the U.S. and elsewhere, the widespread adoption of the
Promis software, largely through the actions of Earl Brian and Robert Maxwell, gave the Mossad
a way to gather not just troves of counterintelligence data, but also blackmail on other
intelligence agencies and powerful figures.
Indeed, Promis’ backdoor and adoption by intelligence agencies all over the world
essentially provided the Mossad with access to troves of blackmail that the CIA and FBI had
acquired on their friends and foes for over half a century. Strangely, in recent years, the FBI
has sought to
hide information related to Robert Maxwell’s connection to the Promis scandal.
According to journalist Robert
Fisk , Maxwell was also involved in the Mossad abduction of Israeli nuclear weapons
whistleblower Vanunu Mordechai. Mordechai had attempted to provide the media with information
on the extent of Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which was eventually published by the
Sunday Times of London . Yet, Mordechai had also contacted the Daily Mirror with
the information, the Mirror being an outlet that was owned by Maxwell and whose foreign
editor was a close Maxwell associate and alleged Mossad asset, Nicholas Davies. Journalist
Seymour Hersh alleged that Davies had also been involved in Israeli arms deals.
Per Fisk, it was Maxwell who contacted the Israeli Embassy in London and told them of
Mordechai’s activities. This led to Mordechai’s entrapment by a female Mossad agent
who seduced him as part of a “honey trap” operation that led to his kidnapping and
later imprisonment in Israel. Mordechai served an 18-year sentence, 12 years of which were in
solitary confinement.
Then, there is the issue of Maxwell’s death, widely cited by mainstream and
independent media alike as suspicious
and a potential homicide . According to authors Gordon Thomas and Martin Dillon, Maxwell
had sealed his own fate when he attempted to threaten top Mossad officials with the exposure of
certain operations if they did not help him rescue his media empire from crippling debt and
financial difficulties. Many of Maxwell’s
creditors , who had grown increasingly displeased with the media mogul, were Israeli and
several of them were alleged to be Mossad-connected themselves.
Thomas and Dillon argue in their
biography of Maxwell’s life that the Mossad felt that Maxwell had become more of a
liability than an asset and killed him on his yacht three months after he demanded the bailout.
On the other extreme are theories that suggest Maxwell committed suicide because of the
financial difficulties his empire faced.
Image removed: Ghislaine Maxwell, far right, Robert Maxwell’s daughter, looks on his casket is
unloaded from a plane in Jerusalem, Nov. 8, 1991. Heribert Proepper | AP
Some have taken Maxwell’s funeral held in Israel as the country’s
“official” confirmation of Maxwell’s service to the Mossad, as it was likened
to a state funeral and attended
by no less than six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence. During his funeral
service in Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and
stated : “He has done more for Israel than can today be said.” Other
eulogies were given by future Prime Ministers Ehud Olmert (then Health Minister) and Shimon
Peres, with the latter also praising
Maxwell’s “services” on behalf of Israel.
Swimming in the same
swamp
As he built his business empire — and even became a member of Parliament, Maxwell was
also doing work for Israeli intelligence, as several of the Israeli companies in which he
invested became fronts for the Mossad. In addition, as he became a media mogul, he developed a
bitter rivalry with Rupert Murdoch, a close friend of Roy Cohn and an influential figure in
American and British media.
Maxwell also partnered with the Bronfman brothers, Edgar and Charles — key figures in
the Mega Group. In 1989 Maxwell and Charles Bronfman
partnered up to bid on the Jerusalem Post newspaper and the Post described
the two men as “two of the world’s leading Jewish financiers” and their
interest in the venture as “developing The Jerusalem Post and expanding its
influence among world Jewry.” A year prior, Maxwell and Bronfman
had become top shareholders in the Israeli pharmaceutical company Teva.
Maxwell also worked with Charles Bronfman’s brother Edgar in the late 1980s to
convince the Soviet Union to allow Soviet Jews to immigrate to Israel. Edgar’s efforts in
this regard
have received more attention , as it was a defining moment of his decades-long presidency
of the World Jewish Congress, of which Ronald Lauder is currently president. Yet, Maxwell had
also made considerable
use of his contacts in the Soviet government in this effort.
Maxwell also moved in the circles of the network previously described in Parts I and II in
this series. A key example of this is the May 1989
party Maxwell hosted on his yacht, the Lady Ghislaine — named for his youngest
daughter and Epstein’s future “girlfriend.” Attendees of the party included
Roy Cohn’s protege Donald Trump and his long-time law partner Tom Bolan. A close friend
of Nancy Reagan was also present, journalist Mike Wallace, as was literary agent Mort Janklow,
who represented Ronald Reagan and two of Cohn’s closest friends: journalists William
Safire and Barbara Walters.
The CEO of what would soon become Time Warner, Steve Ross, was also invited to the exclusive
event. Ross’ presence is notable, as he had built his business empire largely through
his association with New York crime lords Manny Kimmel and Abner “Longy”
Zwillman. Zwillman was a close friend of Meyer Lansky, Michael Steinhardt’s father, and
Sam Bronfman, father of Edgar and Charles Bronfman.
Another attendee of the Maxwell yacht party was former Secretary of the Navy and former
Henry Kissinger staffer Jon Lehman, who would go on to associate with the controversial
neoconservative think tank, Project for a New American Century. Prior to being secretary of the
Navy, Lehman had been president of the Abington Corporation, which hired arch-neocon Richard
Perle to manage
the portfolio of Israeli arms dealers Shlomo Zabludowicz and his son Chaim, who paid
Ablington $10,000 month. A scandal arose when those
payments continued after both Lehman and Perle joined the Reagan Department of Defense and
while Perle was working to persuade the Pentagon to buy arms from companies linked to
Zabludowicz. Perle had been part of the Reagan transition team along with Roy Cohn’s
long-time friend and law partner Tom Bolan (another Maxwell yacht guest).
In addition to Lehman, another former Kissinger staffer, Thomas Pickering was present at
Maxwell’s yacht part. Pickering played a minor role in the Iran-Contra affair and, at the
time of the Maxwell yacht party, he was U.S. ambassador to Israel. Senator John Tower (R-TX),
who allegedly conspired with Maxwell in the Mossad-bugged Promis software at the Los Alamos
laboratories, was also present. Tower died just months before Maxwell in
a suspicious plane crash .
Ghislaine Maxwell was also at this rather notable event. After her father’s mysterious
death and alleged murder on the same yacht that bears her name in 1991, she quickly packed her
bags and moved to New York City. There, she soon made the acquaintance of Jeffrey Epstein and,
a few years later, developed close ties to the Clinton family, which will be discussed in the
next installment of this series.
Jeffrey Epstein and the new “Promis”
After it was revealed that Epstein had evaded stricter sentencing in 2008 due to his links
to “intelligence,” it was the Mossad ties of Ghislaine Maxwell’s father that
have led many to speculate that Epstein’s sexual blackmail operation was sharing
incriminating information with the Mossad. Former CBS executive producer and current
journalist for the media outlet Narativ , Zev Shalev, has since claimed that he
independently confirmed that Epstein was tied directly to the Mossad.
Image removed: Donald and Melania Trump with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell at the Mar-a-Lago club,
Palm Beach, Florida in 2000. Photo | Davidoff Studios
Epstein was a long-time friend of former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, who has
long-standing and deep ties to Israel’s intelligence community. Their decades-long
friendship has been the source of recent political attacks targeting Barak, who is running in
the Israeli elections against current Prime Minister Netanyahu later this year.
Barak is also close to Epstein’s chief patron and Mega Group member Leslie Wexner,
whose Wexner Foundation
gave Barak $2 million in 2004 for a still unspecified research program. According to Barak,
he was first introduced to Epstein by former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres, who eulogized
Robert Maxwell at his funeral and had decades-long ties with the Bronfman family going back to
the early 1950s. Peres was also a
frequent participant in programs funded by
Leslie Wexner in Israel and
worked closely with the Mossad for decades.
In 2015, a few years after Epstein’s release from prison following his conviction for
soliciting sex from a minor in 2008, Barak formed a company with Epstein with the chief purpose
of investing in an Israeli start-up then known as Reporty. That company, now called Carbyne,
sells its signature software to 911 call centers and emergency service providers and is also
available to consumers as an app that provides emergency services with access to a
caller’s camera and location and also runs any caller’s identity through any linked
government database. It has specifically been marketed by the company itself and the Israeli
press as a
solution to mass shootings in the
United States and is already being used by at least two U.S. counties.
Israeli media reported that Epstein and Barak were among the company’s largest
investors. Barak poured millions into the company and it was recently revealed by Haaretz
that a significant amount of Barak’s total investments in Carbyne was funded by Epstein,
making him a “ de facto partner” in the company. Barak is now Carbyne’s chairman .
The company’s executive team are all former members of different branches of Israeli
intelligence, including the elite military intelligence unit, Unit 8200, that is often likened
to Israel’s equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA). Carbyne’s
current CEO, Amir Elichai, served in Unit 8200 and tapped
former Unit 8200 commander Pinchas Buchris to serve as the
company’s director and on its board. In addition to Elichai, another Carbyne co-founder,
Lital Leshem , also
served in Unit 8200 and later worked for Israeli private spy company Black Cube. Leshem now
works for a subsidiary of Erik Prince’s company Frontier Services Group, according to the
independent media outlet Narativ .
The company also includes several tie-ins to the Trump administration, including Palantir
founder and Trump ally Peter Thiel — an investor in Carbyne. In addition,
Carbyne’s board of advisers
includes former Palantir employee Trae Stephens, who was a member of the Trump transition team,
as well as former Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.
Trump donor and New York real-estate developer Eliot Tawill is also on Carbyne’s board , alongside Ehud Barak and
Pinchas Buchris.
Narativ , which wrote the first expose on Carbyne after Epstein’s arrest, noted
that the Chinese government uses a smartphone app very similar to Carbyne as part of its mass
surveillance apparatus, even though the original purpose of the app was for improved emergency
reporting. According to Narativ , the Chinese Carbyne-equivalent “monitors every
aspect of a user’s life, including personal conversations, power usage, and tracks a
user’s movement.”
Given the history of Robert Maxwell — the father of Epstein’s long-time
“girlfriend” and young-girl-procuring madam, Ghislaine Maxwell — in promoting
the sale of Carbyne’s modified Promis software, which was also marketed as a tool to
improve government efficacy but was actually a tool of mass surveillance for the benefit of
Israeli intelligence, the overlap between Carbyne and Promis is troubling and warrants further
investigation.
It is also worth noting that Unit 8200-connected tech start-ups are being widely integrated
into U.S. companies and have developed close ties to the U.S. military-industrial complex, with
Carbyne being just one example of that trend.
As MintPress
previously reported , Unit 8200-linked outfits like Team8 have recently hired former
National Security Agency (NSA) Director Mike Rogers as a senior advisor and gained prominent
Silicon Valley figures, including former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, as key investors. Many
American technology companies, from Intel to Google to Microsoft,
have merged with several Unit 8200-connected start-ups in recent years and have been moving
many key jobs and operations to Israel with
backing from key Republican donors like Paul Singer . Many of those same companies,
particularly Google and Microsoft, are also major U.S. government contractors.
Who was
Epstein really working for?
Even though Jeffrey Epstein appears to have had ties to the Mossad, this series has revealed
that the networks to which Epstein was connected were not Mossad-exclusive, as many of the
individuals close to Epstein — Lesie Wexner, for instance — were part of a
mob-connected class of oligarchs with deep ties to both the U.S. and Israel. As was discussed
in Part I of this series, the sharing of “intelligence” (i.e., blackmail) between
intelligence agencies and the same organized crime network connected to the Mega Group goes
back decades. With Leslie Wexner of the Mega Group as Epstein’s chief patron, as opposed
to a financier with direct ties to the Mossad, a similar relationship is more than likely in
the case of the sexual blackmail operation that Epstein ran.
Given that intelligence agencies in both the U.S. and elsewhere often conduct covert
operations for the benefit of oligarchs and large corporations as opposed to “national
security interest,” Epstein’s ties to the Mega Group suggest that this group holds
a unique status and influence in both the governments of the U.S. and of Israel, as well as in
other countries (e.g., Russia) that were not explored in this report. This is by virtue of
their role as key political donors in both countries, as well as the fact that several of them
own powerful companies or financial institutions in both countries. Indeed, many members of the
Mega Group have deep ties to Israel’s political class, including to Netanyahu and Ehud
Barak as well as to now-deceased figures like Shimon Peres, and to members of the American
political class.
Ultimately, the picture painted by the evidence is not a direct tie to a single intelligence
agency but a web linking key members of the Mega Group, politicians, and officials in both the
U.S. and Israel, and an organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties in
both nations.
Though this series has so far focused on the ties of this network to main Republican Party
affiliates, the next and final installment will reveal the ties developed between this web and
the Clintons. As will be revealed, despite the Clintons’ willingness to embrace corrupt
dealings during the span of their political careers, their mostly friendly relationship with
this network still saw them use the power of sexual blackmail to obtain certain policy
decisions that were favorable to their personal and financial interests but not to the
Clintons’ political reputation or agendas.
Editor’s note | The original version of this article incorrectly stated that Rafi
Eitan was interested in repurposing the American-made Promise software to restore his standing
in Israel’s intelligence community caused by the fall-out from the Pollard Affair. The
Pollard Affair occurred three years after Eitan had succeeded in repurposing the software and
MintPress has removed that incorrect information from the article and regrets the
error.
This article also originally neglected to mention that Eitan, at the time of his
collaboration with Earl Brian to repurpose the Promis software, was the director of the
now-defunct Israeli military intelligence agency Lekem at the time of those events and that
information has been added to the story.
Feature photo | Graphic by Claudio Cabrera
Whitney Webb is a MintPress News journalist based in Chile. She has contributed to
several independent media outlets including Global Research, EcoWatch, the Ron Paul Institute
and 21st Century Wire, among others. She has made several radio and television appearances and
is the 2019 winner of the Serena Shim Award for Uncompromised Integrity in
Journalism.
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"... A black man's body is found wrapped in chains at the bottom of the Detroit River. The police were saying it was an accidental death caused by him stealing more chains than he could swim with. ..."
The likelihood of Epstein committing suicide reminds me of two other "suicide" stories.
... ... ...
Finally, there is a greatly modified joke from my long ago misspent youth. A black man's
body is found wrapped in chains at the bottom of the Detroit River. The police were saying it
was an accidental death caused by him stealing more chains than he could swim with.
Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is hardly a billionaire, according to the financial
disclosure form his lawyers filed in seeking bail for him.
The single-page document had been kept under seal away from the public until the Manhattan
federal judge overseeing Epstein's sex-trafficking case released it Monday, dismissing it as
"cursory."
Epstein lists in the filing that he has:
Cash: $56,547,773
Fixed income: $14,304,679
Equities: $112,679,138
Hedge funds and private equity: $194,986,301
Properties: 9 E. 71st St., Manhattan, worth $55,931,000; 49 Zorro Ranch Rd., Stanley,
N.M., $17,246,208; 358 El Brillo Way, Palm Beach, Fla., $12,380,209; 22 Avenue Foch, Paris,
France, $8,672,823; Great St. James Island in the Virgin Islands, $22,498,600; and Little St.
James Island, V.I., $63,874,223.
The value of the assets listed adds up to $559,120,954.
The feds are arguing that Epstein -- who is accused of sex trafficking -- shouldn't be given
bail pending trial because of the superconnected former moneyman's potential ability to buy his
way to freedom.
Epstein's lawyers did not respond to a request for comment.
Billionaire Victoria's Secret owner Leslie Wexner says that Jeffrey Epstein misappropriated over
$46 million of his fortune, according to the
Wall
Street Journal
.
The L Brands founder revealed in a Wednesday letter to the Wexner Foundation that the missing
funds were uncovered after a
2007 falling out
he had with the pedophile financier
following allegations involving the sexual abuse of underage girls.
Of note, Epstein allegedly ran a
'casting couch' operation
for aspiring Victoria's Secret models out of his Manhattan townhome
whereby he would promise young girls jobs with the fashion company.
"
We discovered that he had misappropriated vast sums of money from me and my family
,"
wrote Wexner, adding "
This was, frankly, a tremendous shock
, even though it
clearly pales in comparison to the unthinkable allegations against him now."
In January 2008, Mr. Epstein transferred $46 million worth of investments to a Wexner
charitable fund, tax records show. Mr. Wexner said the transfer was only a portion of the funds
that his money manager had allegedly misappropriated. "All of that money -- every dollar of it -- was
originally Wexner family money," he wrote. -
Wall
Street Journal
Wexner provided no evidence for his claim, which certainly adds distance between he and
Epstein.
Last month, the Wexner told employees in an internal email that he "
was NEVER aware of
the illegal activity
" Epstein is accused of committing. "As you can imagine, this past
week
I have searched my soul ... reflected ... and regretted that my path ever crossed his.
"
said the 81-year-old mogul of Epstein.
After launching a business relationship in the 1980s, Wexner and Epstein formed 'a financial and
personal bond that baffled longtime associates,' according to the
New
York Times
.
"
I think we both possess the skill of seeing patterns
," Wexner told
Vanity
Fair
in 2003. "But Jeffrey sees patterns in politics and financial markets, and I see patterns
in lifestyle and fashion trends."
Wexner would go on to open doors for Epstein - who managed "many aspects of his financial
life."
By 1995,
Epstein was a director of the Wexner Foundation and Wexner Heritage
Foundation and president of Wexner's N.A. Property Inc
., which developed the Ohio town
of New Albany, where Wexner lives.
Epstein also was involved in Wexner's superyacht,
"Limitless,"
attending meetings at the London studios of the firm that designed the
vessel. -
Bloomberg
Epstein is currently sitting in a Manhattan jail cell awaiting trial on allegations of
sex-trafficking minors in what federal prosecutors allege was a multi-decade scheme to procure and
sexually abuse scores of girls. If convicted, he faces up to 45 years in prison.
An old Epstein trick. He got Wexler so excited looking at the
Victoria's Secret models, he forgot to look in his pocket book. He
had his hands in the wrong pockets.
STFU Wexler. If that money went to finance his activities you
could presumably be a facilitator who is now trying to desert that
sinking ship. The secret is out. Everyone knows.
LES WEXNER Protegé of Max Fisher (Mega group) Secretive Billionaire Jewish
Supremacist of Russian descent Chairman and CEO of L Brands. His companies Victoria Secrets,
A&F used MC2 models. Connected to cotton plantations and sweatshops Allegedly operates a
huge international drug running operation previous run by Max Fisher. His name and addresses
are listed and highlighted as a person of interest in Epstein's little black book. He invited
Epstein and Dershowitz to his 60th birthday party along with former Israeli PM Shimon Peres.
Runs Wexner Foundation that finance pro-Jewish and Israeli 'causes'. Financed the JFK School at
Harvard University, Connected to major figures at Harvard. Russian Jewish descent with family
ties to Chabad Lubavitch. Connected to serious organised crime figures implicated in a
mob-style hit on Arthur Shapiro, an attorney of Limited (now L Brands)
"... all these scientists could not have not noticed that there were young girls running around and all kinds of pornographic art and photographs and art on the walls even if they kept their underpants on for the massages. ..."
"... So we have the worlds most powerful politicians, actors, bankers, lawyers, media moguls, heads of industry, and now scientists [possibly] participating in pedo-orgies with good old Jeff Epstein. ..."
Trunews (55′) gets into how Epstein was flying Nobel prize winning scientists to
his pedo island, Zoro Ranch, Palm Beach, and Manhattan. Many of these "scientists" were
transhumanists and Physicists. Stephen Hawkings even visited him after his guilty plea for
pedophilia.
Mr. Epstein attracted a glittering array of prominent scientists. They included the
Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the quark; the theoretical
physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking; the paleontologist and evolutionary
biologist Stephen Jay Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling author; George
M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be altered to
create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a Nobel
laureate.
Rick and gang point out that all these scientists could not have not noticed that
there were young girls running around and all kinds of pornographic art and photographs and
art on the walls even if they kept their underpants on for the massages.
So we have the worlds most powerful politicians, actors, bankers, lawyers, media
moguls, heads of industry, and now scientists [possibly] participating in pedo-orgies with
good old Jeff Epstein.
Meanwhile these same "scientists" all sing the exact same tune: global warming is the
planet's biggest threat, on 9/11 three massive buildings crashed after 2 were hit by jets, 6
gorillian were gassed, MH17 was hit by a Russian missile, 5G is as harmless as vaccinations,
dozens of HAARP stations spread across the planet are only for "research" and those
chem-trails you see in the sky are merely "contrails".
What I find most disgusting is how self-proclaimed "intellectuals" and "scholars" like Ron
Unz instantly circle their "peer reviewed" wagons around all these other owned "scientists"
and "nobel prize winners" and then scream their "It's Science" war cry whenever their
preferred narrative is threatened.
"... No publicly released details should be naively accepted. For example, it makes no sense to me that he just happened to be flying back to the US. I assume he was effectively renditioned. ..."
"... Acosta is anything but a mystery. He was told to make this go away. You'll note that no one asked Robert Mueller about the case when he testified last week even though he was FBI Director at the time. Maybe he was suffering from dementia back then too! ..."
A few comments on Epstein. First, exercise some common sense. The timing of the resuscitation
of his case is anything but coincidental. Whomever made that happen -- like flipping a light
switch -- is sending a message and applying leverage. My guess would be in the context of the
conspiracy against the duly elected POTUS. The malefactors will take some hostages as they're
exposed and indicted.
No publicly released details should be naively accepted. For example, it makes no sense to
me that he just happened to be flying back to the US. I assume he was effectively
renditioned.
Acosta is anything but a mystery. He was told to make this go away. You'll note that no
one asked Robert Mueller about the case when he testified last week even though he was FBI
Director at the time. Maybe he was suffering from dementia back then too!
All I know is that I correctly predicted right after Epstein's arrest that Weissmann and
the other Mueller staff wouldn't testify behind closed doors as they were scheduled to.
Mueller's testimony was delayed for a week. In my view to arrange a deal so that he wasn't
asked anything about this under oath and to otherwise act like he could no longer knew how
tie his shoes.
That said, it really is a fool's errand to try to find out a high level play like this.
Usually there are many moving parts.
it is quite intriguing that so many of these cases involve the sort of criminal or
sexual misbehavior that would be ideally suited for blackmailing powerful individuals who
are less likely to be vulnerable to other influences. So perhaps many of the elected
officials situated at the top of our democratic system merely reign as political puppets,
dancing to invisible strings.
I would invite Ron Unz and readers to look up the recent case of a Mark W. Levin
(b.1944 or '45). He has a murky background, but by the 2000s was apparently involved closely
with some outer-tier DC organizations and by the 2010s at a small DC graduate school aimed at
aspiring intelligence agents.
Levin pressured young men for sex, used blackmail and threats, though the stick was mixed
in with carrots. In a word, he appeared to be part of an operation with some striking
similarities to the kinds of political blackmail operations (or the gaining of 'compromised'
people) alleged/proposed in this article.
The Mark W. Levin story was reported in mainstream media (see some excerpts, below; Google
or Bing or DuckDuckGo for much more), but there are some questions have deserved asking since
the scandal broke in spring 2017, such as: What was the source of Levin's money, with which
he paid for some students' tuition? Do we know for sure that Levin was "acting alone"? Did he
have any political objectives? The story was fairly extensively reported on, but I don't
think any of these questions were answered.
It's possible Mark W. Levin was just a lone, sick con-artist acting alone for
homosexual-gratification and power, which is what the media depicted him as. It is also
possible that he really was (at least at one time) part of a blackmail operation, and that
after years of service he finally went down or was discarded, messily (a lawsuit against him
was made public in spring 2017).
This is really a small-time case compared to Epstein, but it may be useful for comparative
purposes.
Excerpts from some press reports in the case:
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In the late 1990s, Levin began attending the institute's public lectures. Then he
started handing over checks to pay for the tuitions of certain students, though the source
of the money was a mystery
By late 2012, the alleged victim said, Levin told him that if he wanted to remain a
candidate for Levin's covert group, he needed to avoid marriage, children, sexually
transmitted diseases and relationships with Muslim women. Levin warned him, he said, that
his "guys" would constantly watch him and that if he didn't follow instructions, he would
be blacklisted from government jobs.
Levin began inviting his protege back to his Arlington apartment building to practice
drawing a weapon – shirtless. Soon, the man said, Levin began fondling him and giving
him prostate exams, telling him the inspections were key to his recruitment. Levin also
bathed him in the shower under the pretext of helping him with his hygiene, according to
the alleged victims' lawsuit [ ]
Although Levin told him that he was free to refuse, the Arlington man said he did not
want to imperil his candidacy for the clandestine organization or risk losing out on
government jobs.
When the Falls Church man applied for his internship in July 2016, Levin told him "The
Watchers" or "my guys" had been surveilling him.
"Then, Mark told me: 'I've killed 38 people. We have people killed all the time. And we
cover our tracks,' " he said. "I was intimidated."
John Doe recalls following Levin's instructions him to masturbate and ejaculate on his
own stomach.
"Levin proceeded to play with the semen on Mr. Doe's stomach, and then informed Mr. Doe
that his semen output was insufficient and could have damaging effects on Mr. Doe's
'candidacy,' and this exercise would therefore need to be repeated in the future," the
complaint states.
Though the men say they found such treatment degrading, they say they trusted Levin's
credentials and believed his threats, some veiled and some explicit, about his ability to
harm them.
Similar rumors swirl around events much farther back in history as well, sometimes with
enormous consequences. Well-placed contemporary sources have claimed that Samuel Untermyer, a
wealthy Jewish lawyer, purchased the secret correspondence between Woodrow Wilson and his
longtime mistress, and that the existence of that powerful leverage may have been an
important factor behind Wilson's astonishingly rapid rise from president of Princeton in 1910
to governor of New Jersey in 1911 to president of the United States in 1912. Once in office,
Wilson signed the controversial legislation establishing the Federal Reserve system in 1913
and also named Louis Brandeis as the first Jewish member of the U.S. Supreme Court despite
the public opposition of nearly our entire legal establishment. Wilson's swiftly changing
views on American involvement in the First World War may also have influenced by such
personal pressures rather than solely determined by his perceptions of the national
interest
When writing of the Protocols in the "International Jew" Henry Ford discussed the blackmail
issue, referring anonymously to three political figures, one of whom was clearly Wilson, that
were then under control of the hidden hand. Don't know who the other two were.
Re Wilson and Untermyer, my understanding was that Unternyer simultaneously represented Mrs.
Peck, the wife of one of Wilson's fellow professors with who Wilson had an affair, in a
(potential) alienation of affections claim against Wilson, and represented Wilson in the same
matter, and supplied the money to Wilson to settle the claim, thereby cementing control over
him. (Don't remember where I read this.)
Re the pedophilia issue, don't rule out that there is an element of Evil involved in
this.
Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender's infamous jet than previously reported,
with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the "Lolita Express" -- even apparently ditching his
Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.
Clinton's presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein's Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more
than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified
on manifests by their initials or first names, including "Tatiana." The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because
it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.
"Bill Clinton associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was
a pedophile," said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author
of a book on the Epstein case called
"TrafficKing." "Why would a former president associate with a man like
that?"
... ... ...
Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein's getaway
in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane.
They do show Clinton flying aboard Epstein's plane to such destinations as Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, China, Brunei, London, New
York, the Azores, Belgium, Norway, Russia and Africa.
Among those regularly traveling with Clinton were Epstein's associates, New York socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein's assistant,
Sarah Kellen, both of whom were investigated by the FBI and Palm Beach Police for recruiting girls for Epstein and his friends.
Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10
U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is
listed. The U.S. Secret Service has declined to answer multiple Freedom of Information Act requests filed by FoxNews.com seeking
information on these trips. Clinton would have been required to file a form to dismiss the agent detail, a former Secret Service
agent told FoxNews.com.
In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever
on the island with Clinton.
Jeffrey Epstein became an FBI INFORMANT to secure sweetheart deal
and shut down federal probe into the pedophile's abuse of underage girls, government records
reveal
The FBI closed out their probe of Jeffrey Epstein in September 2008 after two years of
interviewing victims and speaking to witnesses
The last report, on September 18, 2008, notes that Epstein 'provided information to
the FBI as agreed upon', according to the case agent
It further states that 'no prosecution will occur in this matter as long as Epstein
continues to uphold his agreement with the State of Florida'
No agents visited Epstein in jail so it is unclear when he spoke to them, but his
assistant Story Cowles visited almost every day and acted as his emissary
Cowles would claim to be a paralegal when he signed in, as only lawyers and doctors
were approved to visit the convict
Jeffrey Epstein managed to shut down a federal probe into his illicit and illegal activities
with underage girls and secure his sweetheart plea deal by providing information' to the
government, FBI reports confirm.
A federal investigation into the pedophile led by the FBI was closed out on September 18,
2008 when Epstein 'provided information to the FBI as agreed upon' according to the case
agent.
That investigation had been underway for two years at that point, but it was noted in the
final report that 'no prosecution will occur in this matter as long as Epstein continues to
uphold his agreement with the State of Florida.'
The investigation had been dormant for seven months by then, with FBI records obtained by
DailyMail.com showing that the lead agent had not filed a report since February 11 at the time
he closed the case.
That February report notes that 'that the criminal investigation into activities of Jeffrey
Epstein is ongoing,' and that the case agent had been told the matter was 'highly sensitive' by
the United States Attorney's Office.
This There was a 53-page indictment that the federal agents were prepared to bring to a
grand jury at that time, and the asset forfeiture investigator had met with Assistant US
Attorney Antonia J Barnes several times. Epstein was spared from future forfeiture as well, as
noted in the report that closed out the case.
EPSTEIN'S INFO ON BEAR STEARNS EXECS
It has been reported that Epstein got his light sentence in part because of information he
traded on Bear Stearns hedge fund managers Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin. The two men had bet
very heavily on the Florida housing market, and found themselves with a target on their backs
when the subprime market started to implode. The SEC settled with the men and suspended them
from the securities industry while the government launched a federal case. Eopstein was said to
have given information by some, though others have questioned what information he would have
been able to give in the case. In the end, both men were acquitted.
It is unclear when Epstein spoke with agents, as no one registered with the FBI signed into
see him once he began serving his time in July.
One source told DailyMail.com that Epstein was using his assistant Story Cowles to serve as
his emissary at this time, and prison records obtained by DailyMail.com do show that the young
man visited Epstein almost every single day prior to his being granted work release. Cowles
would arrive in the morning on most days, stay for a few hours and then leave around lunch
time.
He would then return a second time and leave again around 7pm, generally logging six or
seven hours in jail each day as a result, despite he himself having committed no crime.
Epstein tried to hide his association with Cowles by having him sign in as a paralegal, as
only lawyers and a doctor were among the 20 approved visitors at the jail.
Epstein also managed to get what was a two-year sentence in the non-prosecution agreement
cut down to 18 months, and in the end was released 13 months after he reported to the Palm
Beach Barracks. was five months after Epstein signed his non-prosecution agreement, but four
months before it would be presented in court during his sentencing on two charges related to
solicitation of a minor.
Epstein relied on a network of high school students to provide him with many of the two to
three girls he needed for his daily 'massages' at the time of his arrest.
Incidents reports and probable cause affidavits filed by members of the Palm Beach Police
Department during their 2005 investigation do not name any of these women with the exception of
one - Haley Robson.
She was a student at Royal Palm High School when she herself was recruited to give Epstein a
massage, but when he started to molest her she objected to being touched by the pedophile, who
worked out another deal with the teenager.
Epstein informed Robson that she would be paid $200 for every girl she brought in, an offer
the student could not refuse.
It is unclear if she even knew what she was doing was illegal, with the 19-year-old college
student wrapping up one police interview by boasting: 'I'm like Heidi Fleiss.'
That remark came after she willingly provided police with the names and ages of all the
girls she had bought to Epstein, thus implicating herself in a number of crimes.
Robson told police she had provided Epstein with at least six girls over a two-year period,
with the youngest being 14 and the oldest a 23-year-old woman.
She said that she was chided for the latter, with Epstein informing her the woman was too
old.
Robson did not groom the victims, who were mostly her classmates, and was instead very
straightforward about what was going to happen once the girls were alone with Epstein.
'During a sworn taped interview, SG stated that Haley Robson, a cousin of SG's boyfriend and
classmate at Royal Palm Beach High School worked for a wealthy man and did sexual favors for
him,' reads a probable cause affidavit obtained by DailyMail.com.
'She also admitted that Robson had offered her an opportunity to make money. During the
beginning of the month of February 2005, SG explained that she was first approached by Robson
to go with her to Epstein’s house.'
The victim was 14 at the time, while Haley was 18.
The parents of SG learned what had happened however after a fight at school, and soon after
contacted police thus launching the criminal investigation.
With parental consent, SG then contacted Robson as police recorded the call.
'SG spoke with Robson in an attempt to arrange another meeting with Epstein, SG asked
Robson, what did she need to do to make more money,' reads the affidavit.
'Robson stated, "the more you do, the more you get paid."
That call was in April, but it was not until October that police questioned Robson.
She is remarkably forthcoming in her interviews with police, and the affidavit suggests she
willingly volunteered all information she had about Epstein and her role in proving minors.
Robson also revealed to police that she too was a victim.
'I began the interview by asking Robson how she became acquainted with Epstein. Robson
stated that approximately two years ago, just after she turned 17 years of age, she was
approached by a friend named Molly at the Canopy Beach Resort in Rivera Beach,' notes the
affidavit.
'Robson was asked if she wanted to make money. She was told she would have to provide a
massage and should make $200.00. Robson thought about the offer and agreed to meet with
Jeffrey.'
Things changed however once she got in the room with Epstein, and explains why Robson never
hid what was going to happen when the girls she was providing were alone with the
pedophile.
'Jeff entered the bedroom wearing only a towel. He removed the towel and laid nude on the
massage table. He laid on the table onto his stomach and picked a massage oil for Robson to rub
on him,' reads the affidavit.
'During the massage, Robson stated "He tried to touch me and I stopped him ." I asked how he
tried to touch her. Robson stated that Epstein grabbed her buttocks and she felt uncomfortable.
Robson told Epstein I'll massage you but I don’t want to be touched. Robson stated she
performed the massage naked.'
That is when Epstein offered to pay her if she brought girls, which she did, providing six
between the ages of 14 and 16 to Epstein, plus the seventh woman he rejected for being too
old.
Robson provided police with the name and addresses of each girl, and seems to truly believe
she was helping them by setting up these appointments with Epstein.
'Robson stated every girl she brought knew what to expect when they arrived. They were told
they would provide a massage, possibly naked, and allow some touching,' states the
affidavit.
'I asked her if SG was aware. She stated every girl she brought knew what to expect She
explained she knew that SG wanted to make money. She approached SG and explained about going to
work for Jeff, SG agreed and arrangements were made to bring her to Epstein’s house on a
weekend.'
Robson stopped speaking to Epstein after arranging that February appointment with SG, though
it is unclear if that was of her own fruition or fear of arrest.
She was set to be charged with Lewd and Lascivious Act on a victim under 16 in the second
degree, but ultimately avoided charges.
Police did not name any of the other students and Robson has now become linked to Epstein
despite only meeting the man a handful of times.
She could again become a key witness in the new trial too, as she and Epstein's longtime
assistant Sarah Kellen would speak by phone according to police prior to Epstein's arrival in
Palm Beach.
MaxHat ,
Fairfield, United States, about 7 hours ago
I don't care who is involved in all of this but everyone who is should be imprisoned for
life. Absolutely ridiculous that this guy has been doing this for years and no one stopped
him.
Last Friday, Bradshaw announced the internal affairs investigation after reports emerged
that Epstein -- while on work release in Palm Beach -- was allowed female visitors to his
office, including at least one visit that led to a sexual encounter. The terms of Epstein's
incarceration were detailed by the Herald as part of a series published last year about
Epstein's case, Perversion of Justice.
Jack Scarola, who represents several of Epstein's victims, said it is ludicrous to think
that Bradshaw is able to investigate his own department.
"The allegations are against the sheriff and there's no way a credible investigation can be
conducted by the sheriff's office when the allegations extend to the very top of the
organization,'' Scarola said.
Book, whose father, Ron Book, is perhaps the most powerful lobbyist in Florida, said she
intends to pressure the governor for a full and thorough investigation.
"The privileges that Epstein received in Palm Beach County were outside the scope of what
anyone else would receive. We need an independent body to identify whether this was an issue of
individual failures or systemic failures. And if it was an individual failure, we need to hold
those individuals accountable,'' she said.
Bradshaw, who is running for his fifth term, wields tremendous power in Palm Beach, where
the agency has also been the lead law enforcement detail assisting the Secret Service during
President Donald Trump's visits to Mar-a-Lago. The Palm Beach Sheriff's Office spent $5.6
million for Trump's 2017-2018 trips, the Palm Beach Post reported in April. The
department is reimbursed for the work.
Epstein was found on the floor of his jail cell with injuries to his neck, according to a
report from NBC New York late Wednesday.
The television station said another inmate had been questioned and that Epstein is on
suicide watch. A source told CBS News the injuries were not life threatening. The New York
Post reported that Epstein was taken to a nearby hospital and may have intentionally hurt
himself in order to win a transfer out of the federal facility.
Quoting unnamed law enforcement officials, The New York Times said prison officials
were treating the incident, which left Epstein with "bruising around the neck," as a possible
suicide attempt.
The jet-setting financier was denied bail last week after a federal judge said he posed a
danger to young women. His lawyers have filed their intent to appeal, saying he should be
released to his palatial Upper East Side Manhattan townhouse.
Epstein, who has pleaded not guilty, roamed the halls of power before dozens of underage
girls accused him of sexual assaults. After preparing a 50-plus-page indictment on sex
trafficking charges, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida shelved
the charges and allowed Epstein to plead guilty to minor charges in state court. That's how
Epstein ended up in the Palm Beach County Jail -- and then on work release approved by Sheriff
Bradshaw.
The Next Chapter of the Epstein Story
Ghislaine Maxwell, the financier's longtime companion, has been accused of participating in
his abuses. Thousands of sealed records involving her may soon be released.
Hosted by Michael Barbara, produced by Adizah Eghan and Theo Balcomb, and edited by Lisa
Tobin
As the Times goes on to note, even after his 2008 conviction on charges of soliciting
prostitution from a minor, Epstein was able to ingratiate himself with the scientific community
, attracting a "glittering array of prominent scientists."
They included the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the
quark; the theoretical physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking ; the paleontologist
and evolutionary biologist Stephen J. Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling
author; George M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be
altered to create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a
Nobel laureate. - New York
Times
Scientists had regular parties at Epstein's Manhattan mansion, drinking Dom Pérignon
and other expensive libations. The wealthy financier also hosted buffet lunchest at Harvard's
Program for Evolutionary Dynamics - to which he contributed $6.5 million in order to get it off
the ground.
Harvard cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker says he was invited to "salons and coffee
klatsches" at which Epstein would 'hold court.'
While some of Mr. Pinker's peers hailed Mr. Epstein as brilliant, Mr. Pinker described him
as an "intellectual impostor."
"He would abruptly change the subject, A.D.D.-style, dismiss an observation with an
adolescent wisecrack," Mr. Pinker said.
Another scientist cultivated by Mr. Epstein, Jaron Lanier, a prolific author who is a
founding father of virtual reality, said that Mr. Epstein's ideas did not amount to science,
in that they did not lend themselves to rigorous proof. Mr. Lanier said Mr. Epstein had once
hypothesized that atoms behaved like investors in a marketplace.
Mr. Lanier said he had declined any funding from Mr. Epstein and that he had met with him
only once after Mr. Epstein's 2008 guilty plea. - New York
Times
So.... Epstein lied " in an effort to worm his way into the 'upper echelons of society.'
"
So the "upper echelons of society" include Lanier, "the virtual-reality creator and
author," two unnamed "award winning" scientists, and one unnamed "advisor" to large companies
and wealthy individuals.
So, what "awards" did these unnamed scientists win? Employee of the Month, entitling them
to a reserved parking space for a week? As for "advisor," ****, I can claim to be an advisor
to wealthy individuals. ("Trust me. Go with the pink toenail polish.") I have also from time
to time offered my advice to large companies. ("Go **** yourself.")
Further, Epstein didn't "worm his way" into anything. His mode of operation was apparently
to entice/entrap his "victims" and keep them on a short leash forever after.
This whole piece is one of the most transparently disingenuous things I've ever read. They
make the guy sound like he was waiting tables in SoHo and social climbing (apparently among
people of little or no importance) to try to get a part in an off-Broadway production--by
telling funny stories.
Kuvin speculated whether Epstein would "survive" to make his upcoming trial, comparing the
situation to the 1959 Profumo affair, where socialite Stephen Ward was put on trial for
procuring young women for the British elite but killed himself before the verdict was
announced.
"We know that Mr Ward, who was involved in that affair and the procurement of women for
some notable people, was given bail and committed suicide while out on bail – so it'll
be interesting to see whether or not Mr Epstein attempts again to get out on bail and if he
does whether he survives between now and the date of his trial," said Kuvin.
The lawyer also noted that Eyes Wide Shut-style sex parties attended by masked men had been
taking place for over 50 years
Too obvious. They'll probably find some brother in prison to inject him with the AIDS and
then let him die with poor healthcare. Probably delay the trial a few times until he is
dead
Anyone who buys the narrative that's been promoted need to learn the value of
skepticism.
The fact that Epstein voluntarily turned himself in and that he's not sitting in a luxury
mossad safe-house in IsraHell, should be a obvious red flag that a hell of a lot more is
going on that (((They))) are going to keep hidden.
This is all about having the screws to turn to get the behavior and control on those they
own.
If Oberführer Müeller can get Whitey whacked in a Fed pen the Clinton Foundation
will have no problem Arkansiding Epstain in the Manhattan lockup or Riker's
When we met in 1986, Epstein's double identity intrigued me -- he said he didn't just
manage money for clients with mega-fortunes, he was also a high-level bounty hunter.
Sometimes, he told me, he worked for governments to recover money looted by African
dictators. Other times those dictators hired him to help them hide their stolen money.
"... That was while Robert Mueller ran the Bureau, which means everything about Epstein's blackmail and kompromat operation has been tucked safely away out of sight in FBI files for at least a decade. Much longer, new evidence shows. ..."
"... *CIA Acknowledged in 2003, It Knew that Ghislaine Maxwell's Late Father was a Major Foreign Intelligence Agent Operating Inside the U.S. ..."
"... That Robert Maxwell was a ruthless, corrupt, tax-dodging international businessman who served as an Israeli agent is highly probable. ..."
"... For the first time, Maxwell had failed to get his own way. He started to threaten and bluster. He then demanded that, for past services, he should receive immediately a quick fix of £400million to bale him out of his financial difficulties. ..."
"... Instead of providing the money, a small group of Mossad officers set about planning his murder. They feared that he was going to publicly expose all Mossad had done in the time he worked for them. They knew that he was gradually becoming mentally unstable and paranoid. He was taking a cocktail of drugs - Halcion and Zanax - which had serious side effects. ..."
"... Then Maxwell was contacted. He was told to fly to Gibraltar, go aboard the Lady Ghislaine and sail to the Canary Islands. There at sea he would receive his £400million quick fix in the form of a banker's draft. Maxwell did as he was told. ..."
"... As Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent told us: "On that cold night Mossad's problems with Robert Maxwell were over." ..."
"... The incontrovertible facts about his murder are contained in a previously-unseen autopsy report by Britain's then-leading forensic pathologist Dr Iain West and Israel State Pathologist Dr Yehuda Hiss. Of all the documents in our possession, these reports confirm the truth about Maxwell's death. ..."
"... Boy that Mueller has had a busy career hasn't he? Didn't he start out in Chicago where he gave Whitey Bulgar cover for being a mob boss? Then there's his cover up before and after 9/11. The weapons of mass destruction that he said Saddam had. The anthrax prosecution, Epstein's pedophilia cover up, HSBC and now he is trying to cover Hillary's buttocks. And maybe Obama's? I'm sure I've missed a few things that he did or didn't do. ..."
"... Acosta was told to stand down by someone at the top of the food chain. Mueller. Ugh what a slimy piece of work he is. But not to the Russia Gaters. Oh no. "He is a highly decorated marine who takes no guff from anyone. ..."
"... In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin and to the corridors of power throughout Europe. ..."
"... Inquiring minds want to know did Maxwell have access to Margaret and Ron because they liked him or because he had something on them? ..."
"... Epstein is the destruction of the Deep State. ..."
"... That pedophelia and politics scandal, better known as the Franklin Coverup, made the papers for a few months, too, before it was made to go away. Similarly, a couple of the operators served some time on reduced charges after that one. ..."
"... The two main suspects in the Bush, Sr. White House child ring were Craig Spence and Lawrence E. King Jr. King sang the National anthem at two GOP national conventions. He served time in jail for bank fraud. Spence was a Republican lobbyist before he committed suicide. Several of his partners went to jail for being involved in the adult part of the homosexual prostitution ring. ..."
"... Mueller's scrupulous avoidance of the CIA link in his prosecution of Manuel Noriega and his diversion of the PanAm 103 bombing and framing of two Libyans. Bobby Mueller has been a real go to guy when the security establishment needs a phony investigation. ..."
"... Bobby Mueller has been a real go to guy when the security establishment needs a phony investigation. ..."
"... The anthrax investigation is the most serious of his crimes. Mueller is being sued by his lead investigator in that case. ..."
"... Every now and then, here and there the curtain lifts for a moment and the political elite of a country, the business elite, the spy services, the military, and organized crime are revealed to be all working together, indeed practically joined at the hip ..."
"... partnership started during the early Cold War with US intelligence officers facilitating the drug trade out of Turkey and Burma through Europe. That soon spread to the Americas and globally. Covert operations such as Gladio, Condor, and the Safari Club, and associated banks (Franklin National Bank, BCCI, Riggs Bank, HSBC, etc.) produced massive human rights violations, transnational terrorism and governmental corruption. The CIA's secret wars provided funds and official cover for private-public sector alliance of criminals, bankers and spooks around the world. ..."
"... The CIA, MI6 and Mossad ran overlapping coordinated operations using privateers, paramilitaries and organized crime networks that consumed vast amounts of cash generated by money laundering mechanisms. Enriched by the looting of the former Soviet Union, along with the infusion of Arab oil money (the Saudi Yamamah slush fund), the "Octopus" became the instrument of Oligarchs that have thoroughly corrupted western governments and secret services. ..."
"... The Snowden release included a number of documents that illustrate the on-line entrapment and political disruption activities run by the two main communications intelligence agencies. ..."
"... Epstein recruits young girls, throws parties where he invites potential hedge fund clients, lets nature take its course and films the proceedings, extracts blackmail in the form of investments to his (largely fake) hedge fund, which actually just buys an index fund (no actual fund management required). He takes a percentage from the coerced investments. Nobody talks because they have too much to lose. No suspicious payments to raise eyebrows at the IRS. ..."
"... Epstein brought in the clients. The CIA/MI-6/Mossad provided necessary cover from the FBI and local cops - then, three or four agencies shared the intelligence take, as they had for decades from Robert Maxwell's operations. ..."
"... For Ghislaine, it was simply carrying on the family business for fun and profit. For the spooks, it was business as usual going back to the Green House, the Berlin bordello founded in the the 1870s by Wilhelm Steiber, a Prussian Police section chief, to provide useful intelligence to Bismarck's Military Intelligence, which he reorganized. ..."
"... Epstein is also well acquainted with University President Lawrence H. Summers. The two serve together on the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, two elite international relations organizations. ..."
"... Epstein's relationships within the academy are remarkable since the tycoon, who has amassed his fortune by managing the wealth of billionaires from his private Caribbean island, does not hold a bachelor's degree. ..."
"... There's a rocky road ahead for Larry Summers. Summers introduces Epstein into the Harvard fold, but becomes reckless with his newly-refined Neoliberalism and his opinions concerning "lady scholars." ..."
That was while Robert Mueller ran the Bureau, which means everything about Epstein's blackmail and kompromat operation
has been tucked safely away out of sight in FBI files for at least a decade. Much longer, new evidence shows.
The real question is, why did the FBI wait for more than a decade to bust Epstein and Maxwell?
Epstein and Maxwell came to the attention of the FBI in 1996, when, curiously, the Bureau never acted on an accusation that
they had together sexually abused a 15 year old girl in a bedroom inside Epstein's Manhattan townhouse. Documents in a recent
law suit filed by an alleged victim, Maria Farmer, show that the FBI had been aware of Epstein and Maxwell's child abuse activities
in New York for at least a dozen years before Epstein was finally charged in 2008 with much-reduced Florida state offenses.
https://www.yourtango.com/2019323698/who-maria-farmer-latest-woman-accus...
Farmer claims she reported her sexual assault to New York police and the FBI in 1996. "To my knowledge, I was the first
person to report Maxwell and Epstein to the FBI," she wrote in her affidavit."
*CIA Acknowledged in 2003, It Knew that Ghislaine Maxwell's Late Father was a Major Foreign Intelligence Agent Operating
Inside the U.S.
Previously, Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, had for many years been known to have been involved in high-level espionage
in the United States, as detailed in a 2003 publication of the CIA Center for the Study of Intelligence, The Intelligence Officer's
Bookshelf . Therein, the CIA reviewer of a biography by British author Gordon Thomas acknowledged about Maxwell:
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-pub...
That Robert Maxwell was a ruthless, corrupt, tax-dodging international businessman who served as an Israeli agent is
highly probable.
For the deeper background to the Epstein-Maxwell multinational blackmail, coverup and kompromat operation, we have to
look at the events that led up to the 1991 death of Robert Maxwell. A summary of the Maxwell bio by its authors recounts:
British Publisher Robert Maxwell
Was Mossad Spy
By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon
The Mirror - UK
12-6-2002
[ . . .]
Eleven years after former Daily Mirror owner Robert Maxwell plunged from his luxury yacht to a watery grave, his death still
arouses intense interest.
Many different theories have circulated about what really happened on board the Lady Ghislaine that night in May 1991.
[ . . . ]
The Jewish millionaire and former Labour MP [born Ludvik Hoch
in Czechoslovakia] died the way he had lived - threatening.
He had threatened his wife. Threatened his children. Threatened the staff of this newspaper.
But finally he issued one threat too many - he threatened Mossad.
He told them that unless they gave him £400million to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them.
In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin and
to the corridors of power throughout Europe.
On top of that he had built himself a position of power within the crime families of eastern Europe, teaching them how to
funnel their vast wealth from drugs, arms smuggling and prostitution to banks in safe havens around the globe.
Maxwell passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities and insatiable
appetite for a luxurious lifestyle and women.
He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador
to the Soviet Bloc. Mossad saw the advantage in that.
[ . . . ]
The more successful Maxwell became the more risks he took and the more dangerous he was to Mossad. At the same time, the
very public side of Maxwell, who then owned 400 companies, began to unwind.
He spent lavishly and lost money on deals. The more he lost, the more he tried to claw money from the banks. Then he saw
a way out of his problems.
He was approached by Vladimir Kryuchkov, head of the KGB. Spymaster and tycoon met in the utmost secrecy in the Kremlin.
Kryuchkov had an extraordinary proposal. He wanted Maxwell to help orchestrate the overthrow of Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist
Soviet leader. That would bring to an end a fledgling democracy and a return to the Cold War days.
In return, Maxwell's massive debts would be wiped out by a grateful Kryuchkov, who planned to replace Gorbachev. The KGB
chief wanted Maxwell to use the Lady Ghislaine, named after Maxwell's daughter, as a meeting place between the Russian plotters,
Mossad chiefs and Israel's top politicians.
The plan was for the Israelis to go to Washington and say that democracy could not work in Russia and that it was better
to allow the country to return to a modified form of communism, which America could help to control. In return, Kryuchkov would
guarantee to free hundreds of thousands of Jews and dissidents in the Soviet republics.
Kryuchkov told Maxwell that he would be seen as a saviour of all those Jews. It was a proposal he could not refuse. But
when he put it to his Mossad controllers they were horrified. They said Israel would have no part in such a madcap plan.
For the first time, Maxwell had failed to get his own way. He started to threaten and bluster. He then demanded that,
for past services, he should receive immediately a quick fix of £400million to bale him out of his financial difficulties.
Instead of providing the money, a small group of Mossad officers set about planning his murder. They feared that he
was going to publicly expose all Mossad had done in the time he worked for them. They knew that he was gradually becoming mentally
unstable and paranoid. He was taking a cocktail of drugs - Halcion and Zanax - which had serious side effects.
The group of Mossad plotters sensed, like Solomon, he could bring their temple tumbling down and cause incalculable harm
to Israel. The plan to kill him was prepared in the utmost secrecy. A four-man squad was briefed.
Then Maxwell was contacted. He was told to fly to Gibraltar, go aboard the Lady Ghislaine and sail to the Canary Islands.
There at sea he would receive his £400million quick fix in the form of a banker's draft. Maxwell did as he was told.
On the night of November 4, 1991, the Lady Ghislaine, one of the world's biggest yachts, was at sea.
[ . . . ]
As Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent told us: "On that cold night Mossad's problems with Robert Maxwell were over."
The incontrovertible facts about his murder are contained in a previously-unseen autopsy report by Britain's then-leading
forensic pathologist Dr Iain West and Israel State Pathologist Dr Yehuda Hiss. Of all the documents in our possession, these
reports confirm the truth about Maxwell's death.
Gordon Thomas & Martin Dillon are authors of The Assassination of Robert Maxwell: Israel's Super Spy, published by Robson
Books.
The obvious question, why did the U.S. government let these intelligence crimes continue for decades, isn't being asked. The
answer is almost self-evident. Information and leverage obtained by Maxwell-Epstein and Co. was far too valuable to its several
operators to let it all end too soon.
leap out at me as suggesting how Epstein connects to much bigger subjects. First is the assertion that Maxwell was
... teaching them how to funnel their vast wealth from drugs, arms smuggling and prostitution to banks in safe havens around
the globe.
This area of trafficking and money laundering directly connects to Mueller and his essential exoneration of
HSBC .
The other quotation that suggests the importance of money laundering is here:
The plan was for the Israelis to go to Washington and say that democracy could not work in Russia and that it was better
to allow the country to return to a modified form of communism, which America could help to control.
The life's work of
Antony Sutton at Stanford's Hoover Institution shows that American industry was ALWAYS controlling communism as well as Soviet
industrial development, and that a trend toward social democracy, represented by Gorbachev, would have put an end to that control.
@Linda Wood his money laundering and blackmailing activities. While the review confirms that Robert Maxwell was for decades
a major Mossad agent actively setting up operations and cover in the United States and the UK, I can only surmise that the spreading
political influence of Eastern European organized crime networks and child honey traps are things that the Agency didn't want
to discuss publicly in 2003.
As for Mueller, let's not forget that he was FBI Director and before that the head of the Criminal Division at Main Justice
at the time that global "black finance" grew along with the catastrophic spread of multinational crime and terrorism. BCCI, Iran-Contra,
9/11, and the rise of transnational Oligarchs happened on his watch. As the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the United States
at the time, it is hard to imagine anyone more responsibility for the ultimate consequences than Robert Mueller. There is perhaps
someone who bears ultimate responsibility, the President who appointed Mueller: George Herbert Walker Bush and his lesser son,
Shrub, who promoted him.
... wouldn't you assume that this entire affair is an ongoing Mossad operation, which may or may not have concluded? The US
IC is just another operative inside the envelope, but Mossad owns the assets and the intellectual property. I think we could assume
that some of this is automated and Mossad has ongoing leverage still in play.
The obvious question, why did the U.S. government let these intelligence crimes continue for decades, isn't being asked.
The answer is almost self-evident. Information and leverage obtained by Maxwell-Epstein and Co. was far too valuable to its
several operators to let it all end too soon.
.
Mossad's legendary blackmail traps ensnared even high-level deep state authorities and made them pliable. The recent history
of United States foreign policy is an enigma that can only be solved when that assumption is inserted. Once the assumption is
in place, it opens like a Pandora's box. Don't you find that to be the case?
In a recent investigation I presented the case that British banking and financial giant HSBC conspired with banking institutions
with documented links to terrorist financing, including those responsible for helping bankroll the 9/11 attacks.
SUNDAY, JULY 29, 2012
Black Dossier: HSBC & Terrorist Finance
Moral equivalencies abound. After all, when American secret state agencies manage drug flows or direct terrorist proxies
to attack official enemies it's not quite the same as battling terror or crime.
Pounding home that point, a new report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations accused HSBC of exposing "the
U.S. financial system to a wide array of money laundering, drug trafficking, and terrorist financing risks due to poor anti-money
laundering (AML) controls."
That 335-page report, "U.S. Vulnerabilities to Money Laundering, Drugs, and Terrorist Financing: HSBC Case History," (large
pdf file available
here ) was issued after a year-long Senate investigation zeroed-in on the bank's U.S. affiliate, HSBC Bank USA, N.A., better
known as HBUS.
Drilling down, we learned that amongst the "services" offered by HSBC subsidiaries and correspondent banks were sweet deals
with financial entities with terrorist ties; the transportation of billions of dollars in cash by plane and armored car through
their London Banknotes division; the clearing of sequentially-numbered travelers checks through dodgy Cayman Islands accounts
for Mexican drug lords and Russian mafiosi.
From richly-appointed suites at Canary Wharf, London, the bank's "smartest guys in the room" handed some of the most violent
gangsters on earth the financial wherewithal to organize their respective industries: global crime.
A case in point. In 2008 alone the Senate revealed that the bank's Cayman Islands branch handled some 50,000 client accounts
(all without benefit of offices or staff on Grand Cayman, mind you), yet still managed to ship some $7 billion (£10.9bn) in
cash from Mexico into the U.S. Now that's creative accounting!...
@Linda Wood HSBC, huh--there must be some clever name for it, which deserves no research.
what an eloquent article you presented. Brief but right on target. It isn't just sex, drugs and rock and roll. Now it is drugs
- money -sexual perversion--and perhaps worse? Rumors are flying about what video on the Weiner laptop showed. It is strictly
heresay, but a core of folks seem to believe the suspicions are possible.
snoopydawg on Thu, 07/11/2019 - 8:48pm
Boy that Mueller has had a busy career
hasn't he? Didn't he start out in Chicago where he gave Whitey Bulgar cover for being a mob boss? Then there's his
cover up before and after 9/11. The weapons of mass destruction that he said Saddam had. The anthrax prosecution, Epstein's pedophilia
cover up, HSBC and now he is trying to cover Hillary's buttocks. And maybe Obama's? I'm sure I've missed a few things that he
did or didn't do.
Acosta is saying that if he hadn't made the plea deal then Epstein would never have served any time in
prison. Well he actually only slept there since he got to leave every day for work and then there's the massages he got after
his busy day at work. But there were more than 80 pages that the Feds wrote on his escapades so I think that story he told congress
is true. Acosta was told to stand down by someone at the top of the food chain. Mueller. Ugh what a slimy piece of work he
is. But not to the Russia Gaters. Oh no. "He is a highly decorated marine who takes no guff from anyone.
In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin
and to the corridors of power throughout Europe.
Inquiring minds want to know did Maxwell have access to Margaret and Ron because they liked him or because he had something
on them?
Great information! The more I learn the more I need a shower.
is how I've been feeling all week from reading about this, just more and more demoralized when I think about the depravation
of our so-called "leadership." What is it that we're supposed to think of as the new normal after this behavior?
That pedophelia and politics scandal, better known as the Franklin Coverup, made the papers for a few months, too, before
it was made to go away. Similarly, a couple of the operators served some time on reduced charges after that one.
The two main suspects in the Bush, Sr. White House child ring were Craig Spence and Lawrence E. King Jr. King sang the
National anthem at two GOP national conventions. He served time in jail for bank fraud. Spence was a Republican lobbyist before
he committed suicide. Several of his partners went to jail for being involved in the adult part of the homosexual prostitution
ring.
Mueller's scrupulous avoidance of the CIA link in his prosecution of Manuel Noriega and his diversion of the PanAm 103
bombing and framing of two Libyans. Bobby Mueller has been a real go to guy when the security establishment needs a phony investigation.
Bobby Mueller has been a real go to guy when the security establishment needs a phony investigation.
The anthrax investigation is the most serious of his crimes. Mueller is being
sued by his lead investigator in that case.
Because researchers in our biological weapons labs went public with what they were doing, and where such research was being
done in the U.S., we learned the CIA was one of several outfits doing biological weapons research.
But Mueller exonerated all of them, including the CIA, with no explanation and only focused on a lone vaccine researcher at
the Army lab when journalists began to ask why no one had been indicted after seven years of investigation, at which point the
FBI attempted to harass the suspect into committing suicide.
Every now and then, here and there the curtain lifts for a moment and the political elite of a country, the business elite,
the spy services, the military, and organized crime are revealed to be all working together, indeed practically joined at the
hip.
partnership started during the early Cold War with US intelligence officers facilitating the drug trade out of Turkey and
Burma through Europe. That soon spread to the Americas and globally. Covert operations such as Gladio, Condor, and the Safari
Club, and associated banks (Franklin National Bank, BCCI, Riggs Bank, HSBC, etc.) produced massive human rights violations, transnational
terrorism and governmental corruption. The CIA's secret wars provided funds and official cover for private-public sector alliance
of criminals, bankers and spooks around the world.
This "dark alliance" assumed a political and economic life of its own beyond its original intent to counter communist movements.
By the Vietnam War, Agency operators were running most of the heroin trade in the world through proprietary airlines, banks and
logistics companies. In the mid-1970s, CIA Director Bush expanded privatization with Saudi funding in his Safari Club deal that
eventually morphed into Al Qaeda and ISIS.
The CIA, MI6 and Mossad ran overlapping coordinated operations using privateers, paramilitaries and organized crime networks
that consumed vast amounts of cash generated by money laundering mechanisms. Enriched by the looting of the former Soviet Union,
along with the infusion of Arab oil money (the Saudi Yamamah slush fund), the "Octopus" became the instrument of Oligarchs
that have thoroughly corrupted western governments and secret services.
Multinational honey trap operations such as Maxwell-Epstein & Co. are an inevitable and continuing part of this privatization
and criminalization of intelligence that stretches back to the days of Tom Braden and Cord Meyer handing out stacks of greenbacks
to Mafiosi on the Corsican Docks.
The Snowden release included a number of documents that illustrate the on-line entrapment and political disruption activities
run by the two main communications intelligence agencies.
"Honey-trap; a great option. Very successful, when it works" (GCHQ, UK training program slide)
Without quoting the whole thing (which is worth a read):
Epstein recruits young girls, throws parties where he invites potential hedge fund clients, lets nature take its course
and films the proceedings, extracts blackmail in the form of investments to his (largely fake) hedge fund, which actually just
buys an index fund (no actual fund management required). He takes a percentage from the coerced investments. Nobody talks because
they have too much to lose. No suspicious payments to raise eyebrows at the IRS.
There's no need to invoke the Mafia/Russia/Mossad/CIA/etc, that's just needlessly overfitting.
Except such an operation would be quite attractive to intelligence services. Maybe they were in on the ground floor, maybe
they made Epstein an offer he couldn't refuse once they heard about it.
Epstein brought in the clients. The CIA/MI-6/Mossad provided necessary cover from the FBI and local cops - then,
three or four agencies shared the intelligence take, as they had for decades from Robert Maxwell's operations.
For Ghislaine, it was simply carrying on the family business for fun and profit. For the spooks, it was business as usual
going back to the Green House, the Berlin bordello founded in the the 1870s by Wilhelm Steiber, a Prussian Police section chief,
to provide useful intelligence to Bismarck's Military Intelligence, which he reorganized.
Steiber is considered the father of modern espionage. His methods were vastly influential, and he attracted students from London,
St. Petersburg to Tokyo. Each put their own national spin on the science of sexual blackmail. As for the Japanese, they are among
the most interesting and innovative in their use of a parallel network of privatized intelligence services incorporating underworld
Yakuzi groups alongside conventional military intelligence units. Using compromise, they gained and maintained control over Imperial
Japan and its Colonies: https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2019/03/15/eastern-peril/
To realize these divinely inspired ambitions, Japan needed a modern espionage system. Adopting the German model, Japanese
officials were sent to study under Wilhelm Stieber in the mid-1870s. Over the next decade Japan built up separate army and
naval intelligence services, each with an accompanying branch of secret military police (Kempeitai for the army and Tokeitai
for the navy). These latter organizations also provided an excellent counter-espionage service. However, where the Japanese
were unique was in the use of spies belonging to unofficial secret societies working alongside or independently of the official
intelligence agencies. These shadowy institutions were ultra-nationalist by nature, drawing their membership from a cross-section
of Japanese society, including the military, politics, industry and Yakuza underworld. Under ruthless leadership, their henchmen
would spy on, subvert and corrupt Japan's Far East neighbours.
For more on Steiber and his superior, von Hinckeldey, methods of international counter-insurgency, espionage, and political
policing included deception and a forerunner of today's internet surveillance:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2006/11/29/275653/-
While armies are essential to the maintenance of autocracy, the preservation of dynastic rule and the prevention of democracy
requires an effective secret police. The suppression of its middle-class constitutionalists [during the 1840s] was followed
by the expansion of the Prussian political police under Karl Ludwig Friedrich von Hinckeldey.
Appointed police president of Berlin in late 1848, Hinckeldey was an innovator of many of the features of modern systematic
political policing. Among the tactics that he introduced with his new police system in Berlin was the "Litfass columns". Named
for Ernst Litfass, Frederick William's court printer, he had dozens of these large poles erected in strategic spots around
Berlin. The public posting of political notices was then banned. By application to a state office for a waiver, however, the
columns could be used to display messages. The police dutifully recorded the names of all who had applied. A. Richie, Faust's
Metropolis: A History of Berlin, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, 1998 at p.134.
LEGACY OF THE LITFASS COLUMNS: A similar ploy was later adopted by the People's Republic of China. In the mid-1980s, the
Communist authorities at first appear to tolerate the operation of a so-called Democracy Wall, where "dissidents" in Beijing
could post political writings, initially, without being arrested. Similar walls then sprung up under the noses of the authorities
in other Chinese cities. For this apparent opening to democracy, the Deng regime much applauded, particularly by some in the
Reagan-Bush Administration, eager to legitimize the regime and its growing commercial ties with U.S. corporations. Eventually,
many of those who had availed themselves of the wall to post political messages were, of course, arrested in the roundup of
hundreds of thousands of democracy supporters that followed the Tienamen Square massacre. The impression of anonymity and "freedom"
conveyed by the Internet, of course, presents a similar opportunity for police to cast a wide net for identifying persons and
organizations who may not hold favor for the regime in power, or may not in the future.
Hinckeldey also founded the Police Union, the first recorded international network of counterrevolutionary police spies
in modern times. Primarily made up of police officers from Prussia and the German states, the Union operated throughout Europe,
Britain and in the United States. The Union was run by his deputy, the notorious police provocateur, Wilhelm Steiber, who would
later reorganize the Okhrana along similar lines. Internationally active from 1851-1866, the Police Union, according to Mathieu
Deflem, was "one of the first formal initiatives in industrial society to establish an organized police system across national
borders."13
I disagree with the Alternet view on this. See, this is the norm. A purely private sexual blackmail ring of any scale would
be the historical exception. It certainly wouldn't survive very long.
...authorities at first appear to tolerate the operation of a so-called Democracy Wall, where "dissidents" in Beijing could
post political writings.... Similar walls then sprung up under the noses of the authorities in other Chinese cities. Eventually,
many of those who had availed themselves of the wall to post political messages were, of course, arrested in the roundup of
hundreds of thousands of democracy supporters....
The impression of anonymity and "freedom" conveyed by the Internet, of course, presents a similar opportunity for police
to cast a wide net for identifying persons and organizations who may not hold favor for the regime in power, or may not in
the future.
But why should one avoid the thought? If the situation looks like the people are going to lose the war for their minds, and
are unwilling to back a publisher like Assange who has given his all to try to empower them, why should anyone put themselves
at risk by expressing their opinions? It's a honeypot of our own making, just as Facebook is where people go to write their own
dossiers for the Authorities.
@Pluto's Republic an enemy of the status quo, you raise the calculated costs of the eventual crackdown, pushing back the
day of reckoning. Keep it up! Visible rebellion is the only defense of the people.
...from which to leverage access to the elite, Harvard University would be a top choice.
Jeffery Epstein actually entered the social salons of the elite through many doors. He was, of course, a member of the Council
on Foreign Relations. One would have to be to rub shoulders with the political elite. From there he matriculated to the Trilateral
Commission becoming friendly with Harvard President, Larry Summers. **
Becoming a surprise mystery philanthropist at Harvard, with Summers help, was a booster rocket for Epstein. In the Havard Crimson , in
June 2003, Epstein's involvement with Harvard was celebrated.
People in the News: Jeffrey E. Epstein
Elusive financier Jeffrey E. Epstein donated $30 million this year to Harvard for the founding of a mathematical biology
and evolutionary dynamics program.
While the mathematics teacher turned magnate remained unknown to most people until he flew President Clinton, Kevin
Spacey and Chris Tucker to Africa to explore the problems of AIDS and economic development facing the region, Epstein
has been a familiar face to many at Harvard for years.
Networking with the University's leading intellectuals, Epstein has spurred research through both discussions with and dollars
contributed to various faculty members.
Lindsley Professor of Psychology Stephen M. Kosslyn, former Dean of the Faculty Henry A. Rosovsky and Frankfurter Professor
of Law Alan M. Dershowitz are among Epstein's bevy of eminent friends that includes princes, presidents and Nobel
Prize winners.
Epstein is also well acquainted with University President Lawrence H. Summers. The two serve together on the Trilateral
Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, two elite international relations organizations.
Epstein's collection of high-profile friends also includes newly-recruited professor Martin A. Nowak, who will run Harvard's
mathematical biology and evolutionary dynamics program.
Like Kosslyn, Rosovsky and Dershowitz, Nowak praises Epstein's numerous relationships within the scientific community.
"I am amazed by the connections he has in the scientific world," Nowak says. "He knows an amazing number of scientists.
He knows everyone you can imagine."
Epstein's relationships within the academy are remarkable since the tycoon, who has amassed his fortune by managing
the wealth of billionaires from his private Caribbean island, does not hold a bachelor's degree.
Yet, friends and beneficiaries say they do not see Epstein merely as a man with deep pockets, but as an intellectual equal.
Dershowitz says Epstein is "brilliant" and Kosslyn calls Epstein "one of the brightest people I've ever known."
Epstein's beneficiaries say they are particularly appreciative of the no-strings-attached approach Epstein takes with his
donations.
"He is one of the most pleasant philanthropists," Nowak says. "Unlike many people who support science, he supports science
without any conditions. There are not any disadvantages to associating with him."
Friends and associates say Harvard stands to benefit from its evolving relationship with Epstein.
"I hope that he will, over time, become one of the leading supporters of science at Harvard," Rosovsky writes in an e-mail.
__________________________________________
** A footnote on Larry Summers seems important here:
Harvard-trained economists have been running the US economy for a very long time, and continue to do so. Summers began his ascent
as a professor of economics at Harvard University, leaving shortly before Bill Clinton won the Presidency. He was clearly the
Neoliberal seed planted for the New American Century.
In 1993, Summers was appointed Undersecretary for International Affairs of the United States Department of the Treasury
under the Clinton Administration. In 1995, he was promoted to Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under his long-time political
mentor Robert Rubin. In 1999, he succeeded Rubin as Secretary of the Treasury.
While working for the Clinton administration Summers played a leading role in the American response to the 1994 economic
crisis in Mexico, the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and the Russian financial crisis. He was also influential in the Harvard
Institute for International Development and American-advised privatization of the economies of the post-Soviet states, and
in the deregulation of the U.S financial system, including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
At This Point the Ball is Passed to the Bush Team Republicans, while the Democrats Sit Back and Wait for 2008.
There's now a Treasury surplus to transfer to the wealthy, and the necessary deregulation for Wall Street empowerment is in
place. The Soviet era had ended and Russia is ended forever. The world is finally primed to be seized by the One Exceptional Power.
It's 2001, and we are standing on the threshold of the New American Century . Time to throw a flash-bang of chaos onto the world
stage and trigger the booming War Economy that will carry us directly to global control.
There's a rocky road ahead for Larry Summers. Summers introduces Epstein into the Harvard fold, but becomes reckless with
his newly-refined Neoliberalism and his opinions concerning "lady scholars."
Following the end of Clinton's term, Summers served as the 27th President of Harvard University from 2001 to 2006.
Summers resigned as Harvard's president in the wake of a no-confidence vote by Harvard faculty, which resulted in large part
from Summers's conflict with Cornel West, financial conflict of interest questions regarding his relationship with Andrei Shleifer,
and a 2005 speech in which he suggested that the under-representation of women in science and engineering could be due to a
"different availability of aptitude at the high end", and less to patterns of discrimination and socialization. Remarking upon
political correctness in institutions of higher education, Summers said in 2016:
Summers resigned as Harvard's president in the wake of a no-confidence vote by Harvard faculty, which resulted in large
part from Summers's conflict with Cornel West, financial conflict of interest questions regarding his relationship with
Andrei Shleifer, and a 2005 speech in which he suggested that the under-representation of women in science and engineering
There is a great deal of absurd political correctness. Now, I'm somebody who believes very strongly in diversity, who
resists racism in all of its many incarnations, who thinks that there is a great deal that's unjust in American society
that needs to be combated, but it seems to be that there is a kind of creeping totalitarianism in terms of what kind of
ideas are acceptable and are debatable on college campuses.
After his departure from Harvard, Summers cooled his jets on Wall Street, positioning himself to be called back into the game
when it was Team Democrat's turn in 2008.
Summers worked as a managing partner at the hedge fund D. E. Shaw & Co., and as a freelance speaker at other financial institutions,
including Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers. Summers rejoined public service during
the Obama administration, serving as the Director of the White House United States National Economic Council for President
Barack Obama from January 2009 until November 2010, where he emerged as a key economic decision-maker in the Obama administration's
response to the Great Recession.
Jeffery Epstein continued to weave himself into the fabric of government like a good psychopath would. He was by no means the
only one.
"... I guarantee you, they want Epstein gone. There is no doubt about that. I don't know why the Bureau of Prisons put Epstein in a jail cell with a cop that killed four people and buried them in his back yard. ..."
"... Epstein should have been in solitary confinement under watch. So, whoever made that decision, it was a complete error in judgment, if not intentional. That should not have happened in the first place ..."
"... U.S. Attorney (and former Labor Secretary) Alexander Acosta would not have said this if it were not true. It is true. There are intelligence connections. Is this a blackmail operation? We know Epstein has a 'black book.' We know Epstein probably has video of massages by young girls of high profile people, including politicians... ..."
"... There are going to be some big names that are going to be connected to Epstein and his pedophile child trafficking ring. There is no question about it. ..."
Former CIA Officer and whistleblower Kevin Shipp says there are big stories with
big
implications for America that are unfolding now.
One of the biggest earthquakes that is going off will be the high ranking Deep State elite
surrounding convicted sex offender Jeffery Epstein.
Shipp says,
"Oh my goodness gracious, the Deep State is darn well scared, and some of its political top
participants, I guarantee you, they want Epstein gone. There is no doubt about that. I don't know
why the Bureau of Prisons put Epstein in a jail cell with a cop that killed four people and buried
them in his back yard.
Epstein should have been in solitary confinement under watch. So, whoever made that decision, it
was a complete error in judgment, if not intentional. That should not have happened in the first
place."
Shipp goes on to point out, "
It looks pretty clear to me that the Deep State intelligence
Shadow government was involved,
and it gets worse..."
"
Ghislaine Maxwell, who was Epstein's alleged recruiter for young girls, was the
daughter of Robert Maxwell, (Correction: Shipp said John by mistake) who was a known Mossad Agent.
He bilked pension funds to cover losses in his business... He was
found dead floating
next to his yacht from an alleged heart attack. So, there are some strange connections to the Deep
State.
U.S. Attorney (and former Labor Secretary) Alexander Acosta would not have said
this if it were not true. It is true. There are intelligence connections.
Is this a
blackmail operation? We know Epstein has a 'black book.' We know Epstein probably has video of
massages by young girls of high profile people, including politicians...
. There are going to be some big names that are going to be connected to Epstein and his
pedophile child trafficking ring. There is no question about it."
Another huge story unfolding is the investigation into the "hoax" and "witch hunt" of
Russian collusion
with President Trump that has now been totally disproven. The real story is
how traitors in the U.S. government made up a crimes to frame the President, his campaign and his
Administration.
People high up in the Obama Administration committed massive crimes, only to
fail badly in removing Trump from office
. Kevin Shipp says,
...for President Trump, "This is a fight to the death. . . . Trump has to win. . . .
There is no question about it.
They want Donald Trump gone anyway that they can. We know
the Shadow Government, including the CIA, and I studied this in detail, were responsible for the
assassination of JFK using the Mafia, and that's how far they will go.
You are talking
trillions of dollars, trillions of dollars they could lose if the President isn't in their pocket
.
. . . They want him dead, and he is under serious risk right now. . . . He has got to push this
forward. He has to win for the Constitution and for his family that might be assassinated."
Yet another big risk, says Shipp, is
the global economic system suffering a financial
calamity.
This includes the U.S. Shipp contends,
"
Russia and China are stocking up on gold . . . as they agree to stop using the U.S.
dollar and go to the yuan and ruble, which means they will stop recognizing the U.S. dollar.
The dollar will lose its value because of that. We have a huge debt, and by 2025, our
deficit will be $30 trillion. It is impossible to pay that off. The global deficit is $245
trillion. This thing has got to burst, and it's going to burst...
Donald Trump has come out against the Deep State and Shadow Government in ways I could
only dream of. I am a Trump supporter, but what he has got on his hands is a coming catastrophe.
You cannot stop the collapse caused by the deficit
...
Trump will take some significant action. This is a national security issue, and he can step in
and make some changes.
This is a huge catastrophe, and Americans are not aware of what is
coming . . . and are not ready for a financial calamity.
"
Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Former CIA Officer and whistleblower
Kevin
Shipp.
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At
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"... The Epstein conspiracy grows worse. One of the victims filed a federal lawsuit. Once filed, this is public record. The only redactions allowed are social security numbers and the like. ..."
"... When the Miami Herald went to obtain the Motion for Summary Judgment, it was completely redacted. 137 pages of blacked out paragraphs. ..."
"... This type of redaction is unheard, unprecedented- appalling. ..."
"... If the redactions stand, we should riot in the street. We knew justice was bought, but pedophilia usually will stir up some dregs of bureaucratic slugs to action. ..."
"... Once you start researching the Epstein matter - not for the lurid details - but the unprecedented, jaw dropping preferential treatment of an actual human sex trafficker ( not this fake #metoo hysteria) – all hope is lost. ..."
"... Dozens of little girls – all poor and from fatherless backgrounds marred by parental drug abuse, suicides and physical abuse- selected and sexually devastated by Epstein- not a word. ..."
The Epstein conspiracy grows worse.
One of the victims filed a federal lawsuit. Once filed, this is public record. The only
redactions allowed are social security numbers and the like.
When the Miami Herald went to obtain the Motion for Summary Judgment, it was completely
redacted. 137 pages of blacked out paragraphs.
A motion for summary judgment is basically saying there are no material issues in dispute-
nothing to litigate. This document would contain all relevant facts about the case. This type of redaction is unheard, unprecedented- appalling.
The only reason the Herald is in pursuit ( and any other MSM) is because they believed it
would destroy Trump.
It's now on appeal. If the redactions stand, we should riot in the street. We knew justice
was bought, but pedophilia usually will stir up some dregs of bureaucratic slugs to
action.
And with a parallel to McCain, if Clinton slithers out of this- with over 27 flights on
the Lolita Express- he is officially the most untouchable man in history.
Once you start researching the Epstein matter - not for the lurid details - but the
unprecedented, jaw dropping preferential treatment of an actual human sex trafficker ( not
this fake #metoo hysteria) – all hope is lost.
Note the strange silence from Hollywood and the elites regarding Epstein's victims, when
they were wearing hair shirts over Christine Fords 30 year old accusation.
A wealthy smug scold, who looks like an exploded can of rotten biscuit dough had them
weeping on camera.
Dozens of little girls – all poor and from fatherless backgrounds marred by parental
drug abuse, suicides and physical abuse- selected and sexually devastated by Epstein- not a
word.
"... top national figures merely being attractive front-men selected for their popular appeal and their political malleability, a development that may eventually have dire consequences for the nations they lead. As an extreme example, a drunken Boris Yeltsin freely allowed the looting of Russia's entire national wealth by the handful of oligarchs who pulled his strings, and the result was the total impoverishment of the Russian people and a demographic collapse almost unprecedented in modern peacetime history. ..."
"... An obvious problem with installing puppet rulers is the risk that they will attempt to cut their strings, much like Putin soon outmaneuvered and exiled his oligarch patron Boris Berezovsky. One means of minimizing such risk is to select puppets who are so deeply compromised that they can never break free, knowing that the political self-destruct charges buried deep within their pasts could easily be triggered if they sought independence. ..."
"... I have sometimes joked with my friends that perhaps the best career move for an ambitious young politician would be to secretly commit some monstrous crime and then make sure that the hard evidence of his guilt ended up in the hands of certain powerful people, thereby assuring his rapid political rise. ..."
"... In The Dark Side of Camelot , famed investigative reporter Seymour Hersh claimed that secret blackmail evidence of JFK's extra-marital affairs probably played a crucial role in having his administration overrule the unanimous verdict of all top Pentagon advisors and award the largest military procurement contract in U.S. history to General Dynamics instead of Boeing, thereby saving the former company from likely bankruptcy and its major organized-crime shareholders from devastating financial losses. Hersh also suggests that a similar factor likely explains JFK's last-minute reversal in the choice of his Vice President, a decision that landed Lyndon Johnson on the 1960 ticket and placed him in the White House after Kennedy's 1963 assassination. ..."
"... Similar rumors swirl around events much farther back in history as well, sometimes with enormous consequences. Well-placed contemporary sources have claimed that Samuel Untermyer, a wealthy Jewish lawyer, purchased the secret correspondence between Woodrow Wilson and his longtime mistress, and that the existence of that powerful leverage may have been an important factor behind Wilson's astonishingly rapid rise from president of Princeton in 1910 to governor of New Jersey in 1911 to president of the United States in 1912. ..."
"... Without naming any names, since 2001 it has been difficult to avoid noticing that one of the most zealous and committed supporters of the Neocon party-line on all Middle Eastern foreign policy matters has been a leading Republican senator from one of the most socially-conservative Southern states, a man whose rumored personal inclinations have long circulated on the Internet. The strikingly-sudden reversal of this individual on a major policy question certainly supports these suspicions. There have also been several other such examples involving prominent Republicans. ..."
"... There are lurid rumors that the Syndicate possessed secret photos of Hoover wearing a dress and high-heels, but just a few years ago Rep. Mike Honda of San Jose desperately placed his eight-year-old transgendered grand-daughter front-and-center in his unsuccessful attempt to win reelection. ..."
"... There seems to be a great deal of evidence that powerful organizations and individuals have successfully managed to suppress credible accusations of that practice for very long periods of time if no group with substantial media influence chose to target the offenders for unmasking. ..."
"... There is also the intriguing example of Dennis Hastert. As the longest serving Republican Speaker of the House in U.S. history, holding office during 1999-2007, Hastert was third in line to the Presidency and even ranked as our nation's top Republican elected official during some of that period. Based upon my newspaper readings, he had always struck me as a rather bland and ordinary individual, with journalists sometimes even strongly hinting at his mediocrity, so that I occasionally wondered just how someone so unimpressive could have risen to such extremely high national office. ..."
"... During the summer of 2007, the Internet was ablaze with claims that Sen. John Edwards, a runner-up in the 2004 Democratic presidential primaries, had just fathered a child with his mistress, and those reports were backed by seemingly-credible visual evidence, including photos showing the married senator holding his new-born baby. Yet as the days and even the weeks went by, not a whiff of this salacious scandal ever reached the pages of any of my morning newspapers or the rest of the mainstream media although it was a top conversation topic everywhere else. ..."
"... Probably one reason I paid so little attention to the topic was the exceptionally lurid nature of the claims being made. Epstein was supposedly an enormously wealthy Wall Street financier of rather mysterious personal background and source of funds, who owned a private island and an immense New York City mansion, both regularly stocked with harems of underage girls provided for sexual purposes. He allegedly hobnobbed on a regular basis with Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Harvard's Alan Dershowitz, and numerous other figures in the international elite, as well as a gaggle of ordinary billionaires, frequently transporting those individuals on his personal jet known as "the Lolita Express" for the role it played in facilitating illegal secret orgies with young girls. When right-wing bloggers on obscure websites claimed that former President Clinton and the British Royals were being sexually serviced by the underage girls of a James Bond super-villain brought to life, I just assumed those accusations were the wildest sort of Internet exaggeration. ..."
"... The author of a long 2003 Epstein profile that had appeared in Vanity Fair explained that she had personally spoken to some of his victims and included their highly-credible accounts in her article, but that those portions had been stricken and removed by her timorous editors. ..."
"... As presented by these media outlets, Epstein's personal rise also seemed rather inexplicable unless he had benefited from some powerful network or similar organization. Lacking any college degree or credentials, he had somehow gotten a job teaching at one of New York City's most elite prep schools, then quickly jumped to working at a top investment bank, rising to partner with astonishing speed until he was fired a few years later for illegal activity. Despite such a scanty and doubtful record, he was soon managing money for some of America's wealthiest individuals, and keeping so much of it for himself that he was regularly described as a billionaire. According to newspaper accounts, his great specialty was "making connections for people." ..."
"... Obviously, Epstein was a ruthlessly opportunistic financial hustler. But extremely wealthy individuals must surely be surrounded by great swarms of ruthlessly opportunistic financial hustlers, and why would he have been so much more successful than all those others? Perhaps a clue comes from the offhand remark of Epstein's now-disgraced prosecutor, saying that he had been told to go very easy on the sex-trafficker because he "belonged to intelligence." The vague phrasing of that statement raises questions about whether the intelligence service may not have been one controlled by the U.S. government. ..."
"... Philip Giraldi, a highly-regarded former CIA officer, put things very plainly when he suggested that Epstein had probably been working for the Israeli Mossad, operating "honey traps" to obtain blackmail information on all the wealthy and powerful individuals whom he regularly plied with underage girls. Indeed, longtime Canadian journalist Eric Margolis recounted his early 1990s visit to Epstein's enormous NYC mansion, in which he had barely crossed the threshold before he was offered an "intimate massage" by one of the many young girls there, presumably in a bedroom well-stocked with hidden cameras. ..."
"... Given my personal lack of interest in the Epstein case, then or now, perhaps a few of these details may be garbled, but it seems undeniable that he was exactly the sort of remarkable renegade often faced by Agent 007 in the movies, and the true facts will presumably come out at his trial. ..."
"... John Podesta had been a longtime fixture in DC political circles, becoming chief of staff to President Bill Clinton in 1998, and afterward remaining one of the most powerful figures in the Democratic Party establishment. While serving as as chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, his apparent carelessness with the password security of his Gmail account allowed it to easily be hacked, and tens of thousands of his personal emails were soon published on WikiLeaks. A swarm of young anti-Clinton activists began scouring this treasure-trove of semi-confidential information, seeking evidence of mundane bribery and corruption, but instead they came across some quite odd exchanges, seemingly written in coded language. ..."
"... Now use of coded language in a supposedly secure private email account raises all sorts of natural suspicions regarding what might have been under discussion, with the most likely possibilities being illegal drugs or sex. But most of the references didn't seem to fit the former category, and in our remarkably libertine era, in which political candidates compete for the right to be Grand Marshal at an annual Gay Pride Parade, one of the few sexual activities still discussed only in whispers would seem to be pedophilia, with some of the very strange remarks possibly hinting at this. ..."
"... The researchers also soon discovered that his brother Tony Podesta, one of the wealthiest and most successful lobbyists in DC, had extremely odd taste in art. Major items of his very extensive personal collection seemed to represent tortured or murdered bodies, and one of his favorite artists was best known for paintings depicting young children being held captive, lying dead, or suffering under severe distress. ..."
"... Furthermore, some of the rather suspiciously-worded Podesta emails referred to events held at a local DC pizza parlor, greatly favored by the Democratic Party elite, whose owner was the gay former boyfriend of David Brock, a leading Democratic activist. The public Instagram account of that pizza-entrepreneur apparently contained numerous images of young children, sometimes tied or bound, with those images frequently labeled by hashtags using the traditional gay slang for underage sexual targets ..."
"... Closely connected Instagram accounts also included pictures of young children, sometimes shown amid piles of high-value currency, with queries about how much those particular children might be worth. None of this seemed illegal, but surely any reasonable person would regard the material as extremely suspicious. ..."
"... oddly enough, GQ Magazine had ranked that gay pizza parlor owner with a strange focus on young children as being one of the 50 most powerful people in our national capital, placing him far ahead of many Cabinet members, Senators, Congressional Chairmen, Supreme Court justices, and top lobbyists. Was his pizza really that delicious? ..."
"... Some of the best summaries of the Pizzagate case were produced by a young British YouTuber named Tara McCarthy, whose work was published under the name of "Reality Calls," and her videos were viewed hundreds of thousands of times. Although her channel was eventually banned and her videos purged, copies were later reloaded to other accounts, both on YouTube and BitChute. Some of the evidence she presents seemed rather innocuous or speculative to me and other elements were probably based upon her unfamiliarity with American society and culture. But a great deal of extremely suspicious material remains, and I would suggest that people watch the videos and decide for themselves. ..."
...The Arizona senator had traded on his national reputation as our best-known former POW to
bury the story of those abandoned prisoners, permitting America's political establishment to
escape serious embarrassment. As a result, Sen. McCain earned the lush rewards of our generous
ruling elites, much like his own father Admiral John S. McCain, Sr., who had led the cover-up
of the deliberate
1967 Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty , which killed or wounded over 200 American
servicemen.
As publisher of The American Conservative , I ran Schanberg's remarkable piece as a cover
story, and across several websites over the years it has surely been read many hundreds of
thousands of times, including a huge spike around the time of McCain's death. I therefore find
it rather difficult to believe that the many journalists investigating McCain's background
might have remained unaware of this material. Yet no hints of these facts were provided in any
of the articles appearing in any remotely prominent media outlets as can be seen by searching
for web pages containing "McCain and Schanberg" dated around the time of the Senator's
passing.
Schanberg's journalistic stature had hardly been forgotten by his former colleagues. Upon
his death a couple of years ago, the Times ran a very long and
glowing obituary , and a few months later I attended the memorial tribute to his life and
career held at the New York Times headquarters building, which more than two hundred
prominent journalists mostly from his own generation, including those of the highest rank.
Times Publisher Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. gave a speech describing how as a young man he
had always so greatly admired Schanberg and had been mortified by the unfortunate circumstances
of his departure from the family's newspaper. Former Executive Editor Joseph Lelyveld recounted
the many years he had worked closely with the man he had long considered his closest friend and
colleague, someone whom he almost seemed to regard as his older brother. But during the two
hours of praise and remembrance scarcely a single word was uttered in public about the gigantic
story that had occupied the last two decades of Schanberg's celebrated career.
This same blanket of media silence also enveloped the very serious accusations regarding
McCain's own Vietnam War record. A few years ago, I drew upon the Times and other fully
mainstream sources to strongly
suggest that McCain's stories of his torture as a POW were probably fictional, invented to
serve as a cover and an excuse for the very real record of his wartime collaboration with his
Communist captors. Indeed, at the time our American media reported his activities as one of the
leading propagandists of our North Vietnamese foes, but these facts were later flushed down the
memory-hole. McCain's father then ranked as one of America's top military officers, and it
seems likely that his personal political intervention ensured that the official narrative of
his son's wartime record was transmuted from traitor to war-hero, thereby allowing the younger
McCain to later embark upon his celebrated political career.
The story of the abandoned Vietnam POWs and McCain's own Communist propaganda broadcasts
hardly exhaust the catalog of the major skeletons in the late Senator's closet. McCain was
regularly described by reporters as being remarkably hot-headed and having a violent temper,
but the national press left it to the alternative media to investigate the real-life
implications of those rather suggestive phrases.
In a September 1, 2008 Counterpunch expose later published online ,
Alexander Cockburn reported that interviews with two emergency room physicians in Phoenix
revealed that around the time that McCain was sucked into the political maelstrom of the
Keating Five Scandal, his wife Cindy was admitted to her local hospital suffering from a black
eye, facial bruises, and scratches consistent with physical violence, and this same situation
occurred two additional times over the next few years. Cockburn also noted several other highly
suspicious marital incidents during the years that followed, including the Senator's wife
appearing with a bandaged wrist and her arm in a sling not long after she joined her husband on
the 2008 campaign trail, an injury reported by our strangely incurious political journalists as
being due to "excessive hand-shaking." It's an odd situation when a tiny leftist newsletter can
easily uncover facts that so totally eluded the vast resources of our entire national press
corps. If there were credible reports that Melania Trump had been repeatedly admitted to local
emergency rooms suffering from black eyes and facial bruises, would our corporate media have
remained so uninterested in any further investigation?
McCain had first won his Arizona Congressional seat in 1982, not long after he moved into
the state, with his campaign bankrolled by his father-in-law's beer-distributorship fortune,
and that inheritance eventually elevated the McCain household into one of the wealthiest in the
Senate. But although the Senator spent the next quarter-century in public life, even nearly
upsetting George W. Bush for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination, only in late 2008 did
I
learn from the Times that the Phoenix beer-monopoly in question, then valued at
around $200 million, had accrued to a man whose lifelong business partner Kemper Marley had
long been deeply linked to organized crime . Indeed, close associates of that latter
individual had been
convicted by a jury of the car-bomb assassination of a Phoenix investigative crime reporter
just a few years before McCain's sudden triumphal entrance into Arizona politics. Perhaps such
guilt-by-association is improper, but would our national press-corps have remained silent if
the personal fortune of our current president were only a step or two removed from the car-bomb
assassins of a nosy journalist who died while investigating mobsters?
As I gradually became aware of these enormities casually hidden in McCain's background, my
initial reaction was disbelief that someone whose record was so deeply tarnished in so many
different ways could ever have reached such a pinnacle of American political power. But as the
media continued to avert its eyes from these newly revealed facts, even those disclosed in the
pages of the Times itself, I gradually began to consider matters in a different light.
Perhaps McCain's elevation to great American political power was not in spite of the
devastating facts littering his personal past, but because of them. As I
wrote a few years ago:
Today when we consider the major countries of the world we see that in many cases the
official leaders are also the leaders in actuality: Vladimir Putin calls the shots in Russia,
Xi Jinping and his top Politburo colleagues do the same in China, and so forth. However, in
America and in some other Western countries, this seems to be less and less the case, with
top national figures merely being attractive front-men selected for their popular appeal and
their political malleability, a development that may eventually have dire consequences for
the nations they lead. As an extreme example, a drunken Boris Yeltsin freely allowed the
looting of Russia's entire national wealth by the handful of oligarchs who pulled his
strings, and the result was the total impoverishment of the Russian people and a demographic
collapse almost unprecedented in modern peacetime history.
An obvious problem with installing puppet rulers is the risk that they will attempt to cut
their strings, much like Putin soon outmaneuvered and exiled his oligarch patron Boris
Berezovsky. One means of minimizing such risk is to select puppets who are so deeply
compromised that they can never break free, knowing that the political self-destruct charges
buried deep within their pasts could easily be triggered if they sought independence.
I have
sometimes joked with my friends that perhaps the best career move for an ambitious young
politician would be to secretly commit some monstrous crime and then make sure that the hard
evidence of his guilt ended up in the hands of certain powerful people, thereby assuring his
rapid political rise.
In physics, when an object deviates from its expected trajectory for inexplicable reasons,
we assume that some unknown force has been at work, and tracing the record of such deviations
may help to determine the characteristic properties of the latter. Over the years, I've
increasingly become aware of such strange ideological deviations in public policy, and although
some are readily explained, others suggest the existence of hidden forces far beneath the
surface of our regular political world. This same situation may have occurred throughout our
history, and sometimes the political decisions that so baffled contemporaries eventually came
to light decades later.
In The Dark Side of Camelot , famed investigative reporter Seymour Hersh claimed that
secret blackmail evidence of JFK's extra-marital affairs probably played a crucial role in
having his administration overrule the unanimous verdict of all top Pentagon advisors and award
the largest military procurement contract in U.S. history to General Dynamics instead of
Boeing, thereby saving the former company from likely bankruptcy and its major organized-crime
shareholders from devastating financial losses. Hersh also suggests that a similar factor
likely explains JFK's last-minute reversal in the choice of his Vice President, a decision that
landed Lyndon Johnson on the 1960 ticket and placed him in the White House after Kennedy's 1963
assassination.
As I recently
mentioned , in the 1950s Sen. Estes Kefauver shifted the focus of his Organized Crime
Hearings after the Chicago Syndicate confronted him with the photographs of his sexual
encounter with two mob-supplied women. A decade later, California Attorney-General Stanley Mosk
suffered much the same fate, with the facts remaining hidden for over twenty years.
Similar rumors swirl around events much farther back in history as well, sometimes with
enormous consequences. Well-placed contemporary
sources have claimed that Samuel Untermyer, a wealthy Jewish lawyer, purchased the secret
correspondence between Woodrow Wilson and his longtime mistress, and that the existence of that
powerful leverage may have been an important factor behind Wilson's astonishingly rapid rise
from president of Princeton in 1910 to governor of New Jersey in 1911 to president of the
United States in 1912. Once in office, Wilson signed the controversial legislation establishing
the Federal Reserve system in 1913 and also named Louis Brandeis as the first Jewish member of
the U.S. Supreme Court despite the public opposition of nearly our entire legal establishment.
Wilson's swiftly changing views on American involvement in the First World War may also have
influenced by such personal pressures rather than solely determined by his perceptions of the
national interest.
Without naming any names, since 2001 it has been difficult to avoid noticing that one of the
most zealous and committed supporters of the Neocon party-line on all Middle Eastern foreign
policy matters has been a leading Republican senator from one of the most socially-conservative
Southern states, a man whose rumored personal inclinations have long circulated on the
Internet. The strikingly-sudden reversal of this individual on a major policy question
certainly supports these suspicions. There have also been several other such examples involving
prominent Republicans.
But consider the far different situation of Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who in 1987
became the first member of the Congress to voluntarily admit that he was gay. Not long
afterward, a notorious scandal erupted when it was
revealed that his own DC townhouse had been used by a former boyfriend as headquarters for
a male-prostitution ring. Frank claimed to have had no knowledge of that sordid situation, and
his liberal Massachusetts constituents apparently accepted that, since he was resoundingly
reelected and went on to serve another 24 years in Congress. But surely if Frank had been a
Republican from a socially-conservative district, anyone possessing such evidence would have
totally controlled his political survival, and with Frank spending several years as Chairman of
the very powerful House Financial Services Committee, the value of such a hold would have been
enormous.
This demonstrates the undeniable reality that what constitutes effective blackmail material
may vary tremendously across different eras and regions. Today, it is widely accepted that
longtime FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover lived his life as a deeply-closeted homosexual and there
seem to be serious claims that he also had some black ancestry, with the secret evidence of
these facts probably helping to explain why for decades he stubbornly refused to admit the
existence of American organized crime or focus his G-men on efforts to uproot it. But in
today's America, he surely would have proudly proclaimed his sexuality and racial ancestry in
an New York Times Magazine cover-story, rightly believing that they enhanced his
political invulnerability on the national stage. There are lurid rumors that the Syndicate
possessed secret photos of Hoover wearing a dress and high-heels, but just a few years ago Rep.
Mike Honda of San Jose
desperately placed his eight-year-old transgendered grand-daughter front-and-center in his
unsuccessful attempt to win reelection.
The decades have certainly softened the effectiveness of many forms of blackmail, but
pedophilia still ranks as an extremely powerful taboo. There seems to be a great deal of
evidence that powerful organizations and individuals have successfully managed to suppress
credible accusations of that practice for very long periods of time if no group with
substantial media influence chose to target the offenders for unmasking.
The most obvious example is the Catholic Church, and the failings of its American and
international hierarchy in that regard have regularly made the front pages of our leading
newspapers. But until the early 2000s and the breakthrough reporting of the Boston Globe
as recounted in the Oscar-winning film Spotlight , the Church had routinely fended off
such scandals.
Consider also the remarkable case of British television personality Sir Jimmy Savile , one of his country's most
admired celebrities, eventually knighted for his public service. Only shortly after his death
at age 84 did the press begin revealing that he had probably molested many hundreds of children
during his long career. Accusations by his young victims had stretched back across forty years,
but his criminal activities had seemingly been protected by his wealth and celebrity, along
with his numerous supporters in the media.
There is also the intriguing example of Dennis Hastert. As the longest serving Republican
Speaker of the House in U.S. history, holding office during 1999-2007, Hastert was third in
line to the Presidency and even ranked as our nation's top Republican elected official during
some of that period. Based upon my newspaper readings, he had always struck me as a rather
bland and ordinary individual, with journalists sometimes even strongly hinting at his
mediocrity, so that I occasionally wondered just how someone so unimpressive could have risen
to such extremely high national office.
Then a few years ago, he was suddenly thrust back into the headlines, arrested by the FBI
and charged with financial crimes relating to what apparently had been his past history of
abusing young boys, at least one of whom had committed suicide, with the federal judge who sent
him to prison denouncing him as "a serial
child molester" at sentencing . Perhaps I've led an overly sheltered life, but my
impression is that only a tiny sliver of Americans have had a long record of child molestation,
and all things being equal, it seems rather unlikely that someone of such a background but who
possesses no other great talents or skills would rise to near the absolute top of our political
heap. So perhaps not all things were otherwise equal. If some powerful elements held the hard
evidence that placed a particular elected official under their total control, making great
efforts to elevate him to Speaker of the House would be a very shrewd investment.
At times the unwillingness of our national media to see major stories in front of their very
noses reaches ridiculous extremes. During the summer of 2007, the Internet was ablaze with
claims that Sen. John Edwards, a runner-up in the 2004 Democratic presidential primaries, had
just fathered a child with his mistress, and those reports were backed by seemingly-credible
visual evidence, including photos showing the married senator holding his new-born baby. Yet as
the days and even the weeks went by, not a whiff of this salacious scandal ever reached the
pages of any of my morning newspapers or the rest of the mainstream media although it was a top
conversation topic everywhere else. Eventually, the National Enquirer , a notorious
gossip tabloid, scored a journalistic first ,
by receiving a Pulitzer Prize nomination for breaking the story that no other outlet seemed
willing to cover. Would our media have similarly averted its eyes from a newborn baby Trump
coming from the wrong side of the bed?
Over the years, it became increasingly obvious to me that nearly all elements of our
national media were often quite willing to enlist in a "conspiracy of silence" to minimize or
entirely ignore stories of tremendous potential interest to their readership and major public
importance. I could easily have doubled or tripled the number of such notable examples I
provided above without much effort. Moreover, it is quite intriguing that so many of these
cases involve the sort of criminal or sexual misbehavior that would be ideally suited for
blackmailing powerful individuals who are less likely to be vulnerable to other influences. So
perhaps many of the elected officials situated at the top of our democratic system merely reign
as political puppets, dancing to invisible strings.
Given my awareness of this remarkable track-record of major media cover-ups, I'm ashamed to
admit that I had paid almost no attention to the Jeffrey Epstein case until it exploded across
our national headlines earlier this month, suddenly becoming one of the biggest news stories in
our country.
For many years, reports about Epstein and his illegal sex-ring had regularly circulated on
the fringes of the Internet, with agitated commenters citing the case as proof of the dark and
malevolent forces that secretly controlled our corrupted political system. But I almost
entirely ignored these discussions, and I'm not sure that I ever once clicked on a single
link.
Probably one reason I paid so little attention to the topic was the exceptionally lurid
nature of the claims being made. Epstein was supposedly an enormously wealthy Wall Street
financier of rather mysterious personal background and source of funds, who owned a private
island and an immense New York City mansion, both regularly stocked with harems of underage
girls provided for sexual purposes. He allegedly hobnobbed on a regular basis with Bill
Clinton, Prince Andrew, Harvard's Alan Dershowitz, and numerous other figures in the
international elite, as well as a gaggle of ordinary billionaires, frequently transporting
those individuals on his personal jet known as "the Lolita Express" for the role it played in
facilitating illegal secret orgies with young girls. When right-wing bloggers on obscure
websites claimed that former President Clinton and the British Royals were being sexually
serviced by the underage girls of a James Bond super-villain brought to life, I just assumed
those accusations were the wildest sort of Internet exaggeration.
Moreover, these angry writers did occasionally let slip that the fiendish target of their
wrath had already been charged in a Florida courtroom, eventually pleading guilty to a single
sexual offense and receiving a thirteen month jail sentence, mitigated by very generous
work-release provisions. This hardly seemed like the sort of judicial punishment that would
lend credence to the fantastical accusations against him. If Epstein had already been
investigated by law enforcement authorities and given the sentence one might expect for writing
a bad check, I found it quite unlikely that he was actually the Goldfinger or Dr. No that
deluded Internet activists made him out to be.
Then these same wild, implausible claims previously found only on anonymous comment-threads
were suddenly repeated as solid fact on the front pages of the Times and all my other
morning newspapers, and the former federal prosecutor who had signed off on Epstein's legal
slap-on-the-wrist was forced to resign from the Trump Cabinet. Epstein's safe had been found to
contain a huge cache of child-pornography and other highly suspicious material, and he was
quickly rearrested on charges that could send him to federal prison for decades. Prestigious
media outlets described Epstein as the mastermind of a huge sex-trafficking ring, and numerous
underage victims began coming forward, telling their stories of how he had molested, raped, and
pimped them. The author of a long 2003 Epstein profile that had appeared in Vanity Fair
explained that she had personally spoken to some of his victims and included their
highly-credible accounts in her article, but that those portions had been stricken and removed
by her timorous editors.
As presented by these media outlets, Epstein's personal rise also seemed rather inexplicable
unless he had benefited from some powerful network or similar organization. Lacking any college
degree or credentials, he had somehow gotten a job teaching at one of New York City's most
elite prep schools, then quickly jumped to working at a top investment bank, rising to partner
with astonishing speed until he was fired a few years later for illegal activity. Despite such
a scanty and doubtful record, he was soon managing money for some of America's wealthiest
individuals, and keeping so much of it for himself that he was regularly described as a
billionaire. According to newspaper accounts, his great specialty was "making connections for
people."
Obviously, Epstein was a ruthlessly opportunistic financial hustler. But extremely wealthy
individuals must surely be surrounded by great swarms of ruthlessly opportunistic financial
hustlers, and why would he have been so much more successful than all those others? Perhaps a
clue comes from the offhand remark of Epstein's now-disgraced prosecutor, saying that he had
been told to go very easy on the sex-trafficker because he "belonged to intelligence." The
vague phrasing of that statement raises questions about whether the intelligence service may
not have been one controlled by the U.S. government.
Philip Giraldi, a highly-regarded former CIA officer, put things very plainly when
he suggested
that Epstein had probably been working for the Israeli Mossad, operating "honey traps" to
obtain blackmail information on all the wealthy and powerful individuals whom he regularly
plied with underage girls. Indeed, longtime Canadian journalist Eric Margolis recounted his early
1990s visit to Epstein's enormous NYC mansion, in which he had barely crossed the threshold
before he was offered an "intimate massage" by one of the many young girls there, presumably in
a bedroom well-stocked with hidden cameras.
Given my personal lack of interest in the Epstein case, then or now, perhaps a few of these
details may be garbled, but it seems undeniable that he was exactly the sort of remarkable
renegade often faced by Agent 007 in the movies, and the true facts will presumably come out at
his trial. Or perhaps not. Whether he lives to see trial is not entirely clear given the
considerable number of powerful individuals who might prefer that hidden facts remain hidden,
and the Friday newspapers
reported that Epstein had been found injured and unconscious in his prison cell.
When one seemingly implausible pedophilia scandal has suddenly jumped from obscure corners
of the Internet to the front pages of our leading newspapers, we must naturally begin to wonder
whether others might not eventually do the same. And a very likely candidate comes to mind, one
that seemed to me far better documented than the vague accusations being thrown about over the
last few years against a wealthy financier once given a thirteen-month jail sentence in Florida
a decade earlier.
I don't use Social Media myself, but near the end of the 2016 presidential campaign, I
gradually began seeing more and more Trump supporters referring to something called
"Pizzagate," a burgeoning sexual scandal that they claimed would bring down Hillary Clinton and
many of the top leaders of her party, with the chatter actually increasing after Trump was
elected. As near as I could tell, the whole bizarre theory had grown up on the far-right fringe
of the Internet, with the utterly fantastical plot having something to do with stolen secret
emails, DC pizza parlors, and a ring of pedophiles situated near the top of the Democratic
Party. But given all the other strange and unlikely things I'd gradually discovered about our
history, it didn't seem like something I could necessarily dismiss out of hand.
At the beginning of December, a right-wing blogger produced a lengthy exposition of the
Pizzagate charges, which finally gave me some understanding of what was actually under
discussion, and I soon made arrangements to republish his article. It quickly attracted a great
deal of interest, and some websites pointed to it as the best single introduction to the
scandal for a general audience.
Pizzagate Aedon Cassiel • December 2, 2016
• 3,100 Words
A couple of weeks later, I republished an additional article by the same writer, describing
a long list of previous pedophilia scandals that had occurred in elite American and European
political circles. Although many of these seemed to be solidly documented, nearly all of them
had received minimal coverage by our mainstream media outlets. And if such political pedophile
rings had existed in the relatively recent past, was it so totally implausible that there might
be another one simmering beneath the surface of today's Washington DC?
Those interested in the details of the Pizzagate Hypothesis are advised to read these
articles, especially the first one, but I might as well provide a brief summary.
John Podesta had been a longtime fixture in DC political circles, becoming chief of staff to
President Bill Clinton in 1998, and afterward remaining one of the most powerful figures in the
Democratic Party establishment. While serving as as chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2016
presidential campaign, his apparent carelessness with the password security of his Gmail
account allowed it to easily be hacked, and tens of thousands of his personal emails were soon
published on WikiLeaks. A swarm of young anti-Clinton activists began scouring this
treasure-trove of semi-confidential information, seeking evidence of mundane bribery and
corruption, but instead they came across some quite odd exchanges, seemingly written in coded
language.
Now use of coded language in a supposedly secure private email account raises all sorts of
natural suspicions regarding what might have been under discussion, with the most likely
possibilities being illegal drugs or sex. But most of the references didn't seem to fit the
former category, and in our remarkably libertine era, in which political candidates compete for
the right to be Grand Marshal at an annual Gay Pride Parade, one of the few sexual activities
still discussed only in whispers would seem to be pedophilia, with some of the very strange
remarks possibly hinting at this.
The researchers also soon discovered that his brother Tony Podesta, one of the wealthiest
and most successful lobbyists in DC, had extremely odd taste in art. Major items of his very
extensive personal collection seemed to represent tortured or murdered bodies, and one of his
favorite artists was best known for paintings depicting young children being held captive,
lying dead, or suffering under severe distress. Such peculiar artwork obviously isn't illegal,
but it might naturally arouse some suspicions. And oddly enough, arch-Democrat Podesta had long
been a close personal friend of former Republican Speaker and convicted child-molester Dennis
Hastert, welcoming him back into DC society after his release from prison.
Furthermore, some of the rather suspiciously-worded Podesta emails referred to events held
at a local DC pizza parlor, greatly favored by the Democratic Party elite, whose owner was the
gay former boyfriend of David Brock, a leading Democratic activist. The public Instagram
account of that pizza-entrepreneur apparently contained numerous images of young children,
sometimes tied or bound, with those images frequently labeled by hashtags using the traditional
gay slang for underage sexual targets. Some photos showed the fellow wearing a tee-shirt
bearing the statement "I Love Children" in French, and by a very odd coincidence, his possibly
assumed name was phonetically identical to that very same French phrase, thus proclaiming to
the world that he was "a lover of children." Closely connected Instagram accounts also included
pictures of young children, sometimes shown amid piles of high-value currency, with queries
about how much those particular children might be worth. None of this seemed illegal, but
surely any reasonable person would regard the material as extremely suspicious.
DC is sometimes described as "Powertown," being the seat of the individuals who make
America's laws and govern our society, with local political journalists being closely attuned
to the relative status of such individuals. And oddly enough, GQ Magazine had ranked
that gay pizza parlor owner with a strange focus on young children as being one of the 50 most
powerful people in our national capital, placing him far ahead of many Cabinet members,
Senators, Congressional Chairmen, Supreme Court justices, and top lobbyists. Was his pizza
really that delicious?
These few paragraphs provide merely a sliver of the large quantity of highly-suspicious
material surrounding various powerful figures at the apex of the DC political world. A vast
cloud of billowing smoke is certainly no proof of any fire, but only a fool would completely
ignore it without attempting further investigation.
I usually regard videos as a poor means of imparting serious information, far less effective
and meaningful than the simple printed word. But the overwhelming bulk of the evidence
supporting the Pizzagate Hypothesis consists of visual images and screen shots, and these are
naturally suited to a video presentation.
Some of the best summaries of the Pizzagate case were produced by a young British YouTuber
named Tara McCarthy, whose work was published under the name of "Reality Calls," and her videos
were viewed hundreds of thousands of times. Although her channel was eventually banned and her
videos purged, copies were later reloaded to other accounts, both on YouTube and BitChute. Some
of the evidence she presents seemed rather innocuous or speculative to me and other elements
were probably based upon her unfamiliarity with American society and culture. But a great deal
of extremely suspicious material remains, and I would suggest that people watch the videos and
decide for themselves.
Around the same time that I first became familiar with the details of the Pizzagate
controversy, the topic also started reaching the pages of my morning newspapers, but in an
rather strange manner. Political stories began giving a sentence or two to the "Pizzagate
hoax," describing it as a ridiculous right-wing "conspiracy theory" but excluding all relevant
details. I had an eery feeling that some unseen hand had suddenly flipped a switch causing the
entire mainstream media to begin displaying identical signs declaring "Pizzagate Is False --
Nothing To See There!" in brightly flashing neon. I couldn't recall any previous example of
such a strange media reaction to some obscure Internet controversy.
Articles in the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times also suddenly
appeared denouncing the entirety of the alternative media -- Left, Right, and Libertarian --
as
"fake news" websites promoting Russian propaganda , while urging that their content be
blocked by all patriotic Internet giants such as Facebook, Twitter, and Google. Prior to that
moment, I'd never even heard the term "fake news" but suddenly it was ubiquitous across the
media, once again almost as if some unseen hand had suddenly flipped a switch.
I naturally began to wonder whether the timing of these two strange developments was
entirely coincidental. Perhaps Pizzagate was indeed true and struck so deeply at the core of
our hugely corrupted political system that the media efforts to suppress it were approaching
the point of hysteria.
Not long afterward, Tara McCarthy's detailed Pizzagate videos were purged from YouTube. This
was among the very first instances of video content being banned despite fully conforming to
all existing YouTube guidelines, another deeply suspicious development.
I also noticed that mere mention of Pizzagate had become politically lethal. Donald Trump
had selected Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, as his
National Security Advisor, and Flynn's son served as the latter's chief of staff. The younger
Flynn happened to Tweet out a couple of links to Pizzagate stories, pointing out that the
accusations hadn't yet been actually investigated let alone disproven, and very soon afterward,
he was
purged from the Trump transition team, foreshadowing his father's fall a few weeks later.
It seemed astonishing to me that a few simple Tweets about an Internet controversy could have
such huge real-life impact near the top of our government.
The media continued its uniform drumbeat of "Pizzagate Has Been Disproven!" but we were
never told how or by whom, and I was not the only individual to notice the hollowness of such
denunciations. An award-winning investigative journalist named Ben Swann at a CBS station in
Atlanta broadcast a short television segment summarizing the Pizzagate controversy and noting
that contrary to widespread media claims, Pizzagate had neither been investigated nor debunked.
Swann was almost immediately purged by CBS but a copy of his television segment remains
available for viewing on the Internet.
There is an old wartime proverb that enemy flak is always heaviest over the most important
target, and the remarkably ferocious wave of attacks and censorship against anyone broaching
the subject of Pizzagate seems to raise obvious dark suspicions. Indeed, the simultaneous waves
of attacks against all alternative media outlets as "Russian propaganda outlets" laid the basis
for the continuing regime of Social Media censorship that has become a central aspect of
today's world.
Pizzagate may or may not turn out to be true, but the ongoing Internet crackdown has
similarly engulfed topics of a somewhat similar nature but with vastly stronger documentation.
Although I don't use Twitter myself, I encountered the obvious implications of this new
censorship policy following McCain's death last August. The senator had died on a Saturday
afternoon, and readership of Sydney Schanberg's long 2008 expose quickly exploded, with
numerous individuals Tweeting out the story and a large fraction of our incoming traffic
therefore coming from Twitter. This continued until the following morning, at which point the
huge flood of Tweets continued to grow, but all incoming Twitter traffic suddenly and
permanently vanished, presumably because "shadow banning" had rendered those Tweets invisible.
My own article on McCain's very doubtful war record simultaneously suffered the same fate, as
did numerous other articles of a controversial nature that we published later that same
week.
Perhaps that censorship decision was made by some ignorant young intern at Twitter, casually
choosing to ban as "hate speech" or "fake news" a massively-documented 8,400 word expose by one
of America's most distinguished journalists, a Pulitzer-prize winning former top editor at
The New York Times .
Or perhaps certain political-puppeteers who had spent decades controlling that late Arizona
senator sought to ensure that their political puppet-strings remained invisible even after his
death.
John McCain was a leading American neocon who always advocated war and ever greater
military spending for a growing worldwide empire. This made him a successful politician and
explains why our neocon corporate media praises him and refuses to reports facts about his
life. By several accounts ("The Nightingale Song" for example) he only got into the Naval
Academy for a free college degree because dad and grandfather were admirals, and should have
been kicked out several times. He graduated near the bottom of his class and was a lousy
pilot who got into trouble often and crashed two aircraft because of neglect. He was shot
down on his first tour over Vietnam while bombing a civilian power plant, and getting
captured is not heroic.
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What happened in captivity is controversial, but upon returning from POW status he passed a
physical and regained flight status as a pilot. Yet after he finished 20 years of service
that allowed generous retirement pay, he obtained a 100% VA disability rating allowing him to
collect some $40,000 a year tax free too! The LA Times mentioned this when McCain insisted he
was fit to serve as President. For the past two decades, he hauled in over $240,000 a year
from the Feds for military retirement, 100% VA disability, social security retirement, while
working full-time in the US Senate. He was paid for being retired, disabled, and gainfully
employed! This is textbook case of why our system needs reform to protect taxpayers from rich
welfare kings like McCain.
McCain's loyal wife was disabled in a serious auto accident while he was a POW. Soon after
he returned, McCain dumped her for a wealthy woman 20 years younger. The Reagans were so
angry they never spoke to him again. He then married his new babe before he officially got
divorced, so there's that bigamy thing. McCain used his wife's family money to run for
Congress and quickly got into trouble with the Keating Five scandal. McCain got $112,000 in
"campaign contributions" and an equal amount of luxury perks from one of our nation's leading
fraudsters. In return, he helped change laws and threatened regulators to allow this
multi-billion real estate scam to grow.
I don't know why any Arizonian voted for this crazed man, especially since he was a big
advocate for open borders. At a union meeting, he told workers illegals are needed because
Americans are too lazy to work farm fields, even for $50 an hour. McCain never labored his
entire life, always on the government dole earning ten times minimum wage worker pay, whose
increase he opposed.
McCain grew up wealthy and enjoyed free government health care his entire life, yet
thought it nothing workers deserve. While running for President and attacking programs for
the poor, a reporter asked how many houses he owned. He was unsure, but thought maybe seven.
But his worst damage was to oppose any attempt at world peace, often demanding that the USA
bomb the neocon designated villain of the year, currently Iran. McCain was a key player in
the senseless deaths of thousands of American GIs and a million foreigners over the past two
decades. He will not be missed.
Sep 2, 2018 -- John McCain Will Not Be Missed
As a follow-up to my Aug 27th blog, I ask people to name McCain's most important
accomplishment during his long political career. They can think of none, but the TV tells
them McCain was great because he was a neocon. Senator Paul Laxalt saw more combat than
McCain and had an equally long and distinguished career. He was not a crazed neocon so our
media barely reported his death last month.
Here are two examples of McCain's bad character just this past year. McCain had always
opposed Obamacare and campaigned against it. The Republicans had tried to repeal it for
years. The election of President Trump also brought in more Republican congressmen. The House
easily repealed it, and the Senate finally had a majority to vote for a partial repeal. This
would be a big victory for the Republicans led by President Trump. When the vote was held,
McCain shocked everyone and voted against it, thus abandoning his principles and backstabbing
his party! This was applauded by the Democrats and the insurance companies who profit from
Obamacare. They praised McCain as a "maverick", although everyone knows this was done just to
thwart a Trump victory.
On his deathbed, McCain directed his staff not to invite his Presidential running mate
Sarah Palin to his funeral. She campaigned for him as a loyal teammate and never said a bad
word about McCain during the campaign or after their loss. McCain blamed her for his loss and
expressed this in a childish manner. Allow me to summarize his life. John McCain was a
selfish, spoiled brat who had no sense of decency.
One of the most blatant examples of news media's silence on a topic of great national
interest is the lack of coverage of closed-door "globalist" meetings like Bilderberg (which
is attended by employees of such publications as The New York Times and Washington
Post .)
The overheard conversation between Angela Merkel and Mark Zuckerberg on what Facebook can do
to further her immigration agenda also received astonishingly little coverage from the
establishment press:
If you look closely at Hoover's pictures it's hard to miss the kinky hair, broad nose and
just something about the bone structure of his face that reveals some negro ancestry. There's
a high school picture of him in some kind of band or cadet uniform that makes his bit of
black blood obvious.
That Mayor Moscone of San Francisco who was shot had a thing for 11-13 black girls, small
ones. He liked to beat them up a bit too. Probably not as badly as the bearings their mothers
face them all their lives. His driver was a district attorney investigator who had to drive
him to the projects and Protero Silver Av neighborhoods to meet his little friends. He met
them at their mothers homes. I assume the mothers consented and some pimps arranged
things.
One time Mayor Moscone drive himself to the Sunnyvale projects. While he was inside with
his little friend some black guys removed all the tires from his city car and he had to call
the police to drive him home.
He had 4 or 5 kids, Catholic Church attendance catholic schools the whole ostentatious
Italian Catholic thing but he liked sex with those really young black girls in their project
homes.
But as the media continued to avert its eyes from these newly revealed facts, even those
disclosed in the pages of the Times itself, I gradually began to consider matters in a
different light. Perhaps McCain's elevation to great American political power was not in
spite of the devastating facts littering his personal past, but because of
them.
Agree with this. The message from the McCain funeral was that the blackmailed US political
class would be well looked after -right to the end -- if they remained docile and obedient
and followed their scripts.
For "War Hero" McCain, it was his unswerving hard line calling for the destruction of
Iran.
But, the Zio-Glob still failed to get their war through McCain, and they also failed to
get it through Hillary Clinton. Both of them were rejected by voters despite massive media
support. This points to a basic problem that the Empire's has with Democracy. The public
clearly doesn't want another ME war, and is now aware that it was tricked into Iraq (WMD),
and significantly, their (the public's) resistance to war is sufficiently strong enough to
overcome massed MSM propaganda pushing the other way.
If the MSM can't swing it, then they need to get a compromised candidate elected on an
anti-war and immigration control platform, who then does a 180º turn when in office.
Trump wasn't their candidate (which suggests that he's clean), and (so far) he hasn't enabled
a war with Iran, so what happens with him is an open question.
Also agree that the media reaction to the Pizzagate (pedophilia) story was one of extreme
sensitivity -- almost panic, with a massive and coordinated overreaction. This suggests that
Pizzagate is in fact the nightmare subject at the root of American politician's worst
dreams.
The most obvious example is the Catholic Church, and the failings of its American and
international hierarchy in that regard have regularly made the front pages of our leading
newspapers. But until the early 2000s and the breakthrough reporting of the Boston Globe as
recounted in the Oscar-winning film Spotlight, the Church had routinely fended off such
scandals.
I'm an investigator in Boston. Just to put things in perspective, Globe's Spotlight
investigation really only involved 8 priests (3 of them no longer in the priesthood- one in
prison- at the time of the Spotlight piece) and went back 30 years. I don't have numbers on
minors involved in this Epstein scandal but I would guess they are much higher.
I always found it curious that Marty Baron decides to launch a major expose of the Boston
Catholic Church right after arriving from Miami. Seriously? A dozen priests out of thousands
in the Boston Archdiocese? I really would like to know who was behind this concerted
operation to take down the heart of American Catholicism. They make the folks behind the
Trump-Russia collusion plot look like amateurs.
Don't forget the arrest of Ars Technica writer Peter Bright, @DrPizza on twitter (account
still up), who was arrested last month for soliciting sex with children and admitted to
abusing an 11 year old girl. A guy named 'Dr Pizza' who had a pizza emoji next to his name,
who tweeted often that Pizzagate was completely made up and once to the effect that "why
would pedophiles put badges that could identify them up online" was arrested for being a
pedophile and then subsequently came out he had constantly argued for relaxations on things
like child porn and sexual-related issues. If this doesn't at least give doubters cause for
concern that maybe something is up I don't know what will.
This is a well-known weakness of Representative Democracy -- in all its versions.
The Balfour Declaration which led eventually to the creation of the state of Israel was
undoubtedly the result of complex blackmail and bribery. Perhaps the USA would not have
entered into WW1 unless Jews were promised Palestine in a deal.
Democracy is supposed to be a negative-feedback system -- like all control system. The
only way to make it function properly is to have Direct Democracy -- where people vote on all
issues and at the lowest level commensurate with the matter to be decided.
Journolist is probably weak sauce compared to the major editors of the largest television
networks and newspaper syndicates deciding amongst themselves "whats news". Ive thought this
for years. We know the CIA has people placed in media organizations, and probably has dirt on
highly placed people in media organizations who are not CIA.
McCain must have been susceptible to pressure from Russians or Chinese who certainly knew
everything McCain did in Vietnam? Or is KGB/FSB also run form Tel Aviv?
Alex Jones -- yes, Alex Jones -- gave a coherent argument about the pedophilia accusations
that avoided Satanism and the like but was still coherent. And its the same as the one you
talk about.
Simple Kompromat .
Basically, national intelligence agencies identify up-and-comers in media and politics,
then either get kompromat on them early or, if they can find nothing, set up a scenario where
kompromat is created. In this latter scenario, the up-and-comer is invited to dinner,
drugged, and then wakes up with either a dead body next to him or is shown pictures of him
either killing someone or else molesting children. Then the up-and-comer is trapped for
life.
Remember The Godfather, Part II ? They got the Nevada Senator to become their slave
when they drugged him in a whorehouse and Neri killed the girl he was sleeping with, and the
senator wakes up confused next to the girl and doesn't know if he did it or not -- and
Michael promises to keep it all quiet -- for a price, of course. That's how it happens to
these folks.
Then they own you for years.
Which makes you really scared -- not only is the FBI and NSA and CIA spying on us all
illegally and spying on Trump at Obama's behest and allowing Hillary to skate -- they're
running murder and child sex rings themselves. To gain leverage.
@Jimmy R Surprisingly, the Globe's in-bad-faith attack on the Church might have begun a a
greater renewal in it. Once it came out, people who had faith started noticing that almost
all the priests doing the abuse were -- gay men abusing teenage boys. 81% of the cases
weren't "pedophilia", they were homosexuals getting sexually mature but underage, vulnerable
boys behind closed doors and taking advantage of them.
Catholics like Michael Voris at Church Militant have put 2 and 2 together. The problems in
the Church isn't pedophilia, its homosexuals -- and Voris has exposed a ton more, including
many bishops, and called them out harshly. The Church is supposed to purge homosexuals from
the priesthood (by Catholic dogma), but haven't -- because higher-up homos have protected the
lot.
But now many Catholic lay groups are organized and pushing to attack the illegal gay
priests and get them out of the cloth. The homomafia is now proven to exist -- and, much like
when the original Mafia was admitted to exist by the Kefauver hearings, an organized rounding
up can occur.
I learn from the Times that the Phoenix beer-monopoly in question, then valued at around
$200 million, had accrued to a man whose lifelong business partner Kemper Marley had long
been deeply linked to organized crime.
Jim Hensley the beer baron and McCain father in law was convicted of liquor related
federal crimes (stealing from warehouses) but must have had a friendly judge lol cause he
didn't do jail time , got probation and paid a big fine. He was working for Kemper Marley at
the time.
So liar McCain married into a crime family .makes sense for a career fuck up who once his
father died would start failing downward instead of upward.
Organized crime loves beer and liquor distributorships cause its a all cash business .the
retailer pays you for the beer before it goes on their shelves or in their bar. no credit, no
billing, pay up front. I bought a beer distributorship in 1975 so I know a bit about it .and
Hensley had to have had some state officials in his pocket or his friend Marley had them
cause is no way the state is going to give you a license if you've been convicted on anything
worse than a speeding ticket.
You've got to be investigated by your state FBI for starters, account for every year of your
life, your schools, your wife's life, your parents and relatives, list people you associate
with in business or socially, then they go interview people who know you,,,in fact they do
that before they even personally interview you and you have to give them your financial
records, what your source of money is and all your tax returns. All of this is to make sure
you have no ties to any kind of organized crime and the money purchasing the distributorship
isn't coming from any shady figures.
Hensley or his backer had some very serious political pull and pay offs.
The number one career choice for aspiring crooks and fuckups is politics .McCain with his
punk complex temper couldn't have held on to job anywhere else.
Over the years, it became increasingly obvious to me that nearly all elements of our
national media were often quite willing to enlist in a "conspiracy of silence" to minimize or
entirely ignore stories of tremendous potential interest to their readership and major public
importance.
Yes, how about an update on the investigation into the killing of Seth Rich -- does that
count as a 'cold case' at this point?
Also media interest in the Las Vegas mass shooting seemed to fizzle -- as did the
investigation.
This is the concept of Kakistocracy. I always found McCain getting a pass on what he did to
the left behind POWs hard to fathom -- this explains it. Before I read this article I thought
that Pizzagate was just some kind of lunacy/nothing and had heard some guy went and shot up a
restaurant over it (probably the creeps involved in it arranged that themselves to discredit
those exposing them?) and it was since faded away discredited, I see it attacked by the same
people who are always using the CIA created term "Conspiracy Theory" seems it is in fact the
opposite of what I thought (due to the Globalist Propagandist Media) and its creepy players
are "running" things and highly protected by the Propagandist Globalist NWO Media, seems
Obama himself is in deep if the video is correct? hard to even look at the video as to these
creatures .So Question? Is the Q thing also for real? I have never really followed it and
seen it "debunked" on a site that made it sound like lunacy but this makes me wonder .
@Jimmy R Sometimes ago, the Mexican Bishops Conference, when speaking about Mexican
monopolistic oligarches, said they were like contemporary slave-owners .
About one year later, one of theses oligarches, Carlos Slim, bought a part of the NYTimes.
Then the NYT started its own crusade against Catholic priests paedophilia.
At the time, I noticed the coincidence, but it was like I was the only one noticing
it.
Is J. Gutierez around? He may confirm the story.
I appreciate your telling "the rest of the story" regarding the actual (as opposed to
purported) extent of the Boston sex abuse scandal.
The same abuse exaggerations also occurred in Pennsylvania."Grossly misleading,
irresponsible, inaccurate, and unjust" is how former New York Times religion reporter Peter
Steinfels described last August's grand jury report in its sweeping accusations that
Pennsylvania Catholic bishops refused to protect children from sexual abuse.
BTW, some time ago our patron Ron off-handedly accepted as factual the Globe narrative.
When contrary opinion and facts were brought to his attention, he appeared to have accepted
that they were at least worthy of consideration. (Or that's the way I vaguely remember what
transpired.)
I did not know anything about any physical violence that may or many not have been present in
McCain's marriage. I certainly did feel, that much of the senator's last days were being
carefully orchestrated in order to maintain the highest degree of hero status possible. His
wealthy wife certainly had the resources to leave if she wanted to. She always seemed to me
extremely loyal and attentive.
I would say it was similar concerning Bush 41. Perfectly understandable that negative
stories wouldn't be brought up during his long wake/funeral -- in Tx and DC -- but how about
never? Several books have said that Bush's -- and campaign manager W. Casey -- CIA
connections helped Reagan get elected by keeping the hostages in Iran .
The Vice-Pres was also up to his neck in the Iran/Contra affair in spite of him saying he
was "out of the loop (he wasn't)." A sexual affair is unimportant. But the family says it
never happened. Others have said otherwise. Jesse Ventura and his writer Dick Russell have
done a nice job laying out some things that you will never hear from the Bush flack John
Meacham. Or pretty much anyone else in on- air media.
The Corporate Fascist Military Industrial-Intelligence Police State will tell us who our
heroes, presidents, and icons are. It has already been decided. McCain was commonly known as
"crash" for all the incidents he had. He was a terrible pilot and would have never been one
except for his father. His beatings of his wife were widely known but covered up because of
his "War Hero Status." Our entire society is nothing more than a projection by the
"controllers."
Examples of this are of course Obama and his wife. The media asked him almost no questions
and he was guided by the Jew Axelrod to the Media's satisfaction. What Obama and his wife got
away with in Chicago would embarrass the Mafia. Michele Obama had to surrender her law
license to the Illinois State Disciplinary Committee. The files have been sealed.
Just look at the group running for President. All basically selected by the same
controllers. They will not make a mistake in letting another Trump spoil their plans. Our
entire democracy is just a mirage. The founder fathers were afraid that this would happen but
their plans in the Constitution to protect the nation have become "gang banged" by the
Marxist Mobs whose heroes are icons like Obama who bombed seven Muslim countries, murdered
thousands of innocent people, destroyed the middle class and started wars and lied to the
nation yet these people are on their knees to his royal presence.
We have no chance of getting to the truth on anything because to even ask a question is
now an act of racism, antisemitism, and hatred.
One of the more extreme accusers in Britain has revealed to be a fantasist, his claims went
well beyond other claims and included such unlikely characters as Field Marshall Lord
Brammal, and this is being used to Bury the paedophile scandal in Britain. Greville Janner's
children have been given prominent coverage to suggest this shows their father is innocent
despite the fact that the evidence against their father is very substantial and has little to
do with the fantasist.
There is an old wartime proverb that enemy flak is always heaviest over the most
important target, and the remarkably ferocious wave of attacks and censorship against
anyone broaching the subject of Pizzagate seems to raise all sorts of dark suspicions.
I guess we can look forward to another day of heavy DDoS of unz.com.
How is it we don't yet have a Grand Unifying Theory that links the seemingly unconnected
paedophelia stories that have simmered simultaneously in D.C., Westminster, and Brussels over
the past couple of decades? The Church would seem to fit right in in this NWO orgy, but has
instead been hung out to dry.
One of the elite one worlder groups is the (in)famous Skull and Bones society at Yale. Its
membership included both president Bushes as well as John Kerry and a multitude of other
politicians. Anthony Sutton carried out an expose in his book America's secret establishment.
Part of the inition occurs in a crypt surrounded by skulls , including Geronimos's skull
while lying in a coffin. If that isnt weird enough part of the initiation includes something
around sexual misadventure. According to Kay Riggs, whose husband was a colnel in the
intelligence services the sexual side of the initiation involves the person being sodomised
by an member of the society. According to her , in order to enter the higher levels of many
parts of government this is not an uncommon practice.
In the murky world of american political elites the truth is impossible to be certain
of.
The skull and bones society has been well publicised so presumably now the power has been
withdrawn from it.
I've had much enjoyment over the years by asking McCain worshipers to give me the name of one
Vietnamese with as many confirmed kills of American military as John McCain.
Another long-winded & annoyingly inchoate ramble raising several important but seemingly
disparate subjects, each of which could & probably should have been pursued
independently. Is there really any viable connection between Sydney Schanberg & Epstein,
between the Catholic Church & John McCain, between Berezovsky & Pizzagate, etc.? What
a jumbled mishmash that leaves you more confused than when you started. "Perhaps" this &
"perhaps" that, doesn't help very much. The most urgent question though is why are so many
high & mighty tempted by pedophilia in the first place, where does that psychosis come
from & why are the power games more important than the pawns, the poor kids, that are
used to play it? Hanging is much too good for an unspeakable filth like Epstein & whoever
aided him. There is no punishment or torture ever devised that would be sufficient, if found
guilty, for the crimes for which he stands accused. That should come first, the rest is
chickenfeed.
We have progressed (here we laugh) from the times of Gentlemen and Ladies to so-called
emancipated men and women with human rights fit for animals. Just to refresh your memory
The last big VA scandal where many Veterans died waiting to get medical treatment
happened in Arizona. You cannot tell me that McCain did not know that Veterans were dying
while waiting to get help at the Phoenix VA. In my opinion McCain was a worthless human
being.
The most devastating victory the North Vietnamese had over the US was the return of McCain
alive.
I'm not convinced by the evidence against Comet Ping Pong, but I am intrigued by the possible
connections that the Podesta brothers have to the disappearance of the British girl,
Madelaine McCann, in Portugal over a decade ago. John Podesta is known to have been in
Portugal around the time of Madelaine's disappearance. There is also a description eerily
similar to Anthony Wiener.
I've long been convinced, and who can deny, that most of the wars the US has been involved
in, and all of the ones Zionists and Communists have been involved in, have roots in
outrageous sadistic psychopathology like this.:
Major items of his very extensive personal collection seemed to represent tortured or
murdered bodies, and one of his favorite artists was best known for paintings depicting
young children being held captive, lying dead, or suffering under severe distress
.
As for the slime, McCain, and the rest of the political establishment, none of it
surprises me. The type was recognized long ago.
(1) Roy Cohn (1927-86) allegedly ran child sex and blackmail operations for decades,
operating out of locales such as New York's Plaza Hotel
(2) Robert Keith Gray (1921-2014), USA lobbyist, "specialist in homosexual blackmail
operations for the CIA and reported to have collaborated with Roy Cohn"
(3) Bruce Ritter (1927-99), Roman Catholic priest and founder of Covenant House for
homeless teenagers, "eventually accused of having sexual relationships with many of the
underaged boys he had taken in", Ritter supported by Cardinal Spellman closely tied to Roy
Cohn, and tied to George H W Bush's Yale room-mate
(4) Craig Spence (1941-89), another USA lobbyist; "in June 1989, it was revealed that he
had been pimping out children to the power elite in the nation's capital throughout the 1980s
in apartments that were bugged with video and audio recording equipment reports on Spence's
child sex ring also reveal his close ties to none other than the ubiquitous Roy Cohn
"Spence had been able to enter the White House late at night during the George H.W. Bush
administration with young men whom the Washington Times described as 'call boys' Spence often
boasted that he was working for the CIA Not long after the Washington Times report on his
activities was published, Spence was found dead in the Boston Ritz Carlton and his death was
quickly ruled a suicide."
(5) Lawrence E. King Jr, lobbyist and credit union banker, key figure in the "infamous
Franklin child sex abuse and ritual murder scandal run out of Omaha, Nebraska Larry King and
his Nebraska-based call boy ring, was discovered by looking through the credit card chits of
Spence's ring King and Spence were essentially business partners as their child trafficking
rings were operated under a larger group that was nicknamed 'Bodies by God' the rings run by
both King and Spence were connected to each other and both were also connected to prominent
officials in the Reagan and subsequent George H.W. Bush administrations, including officials
with ties to the CIA and Roy Cohn and his network"
(6) Jeffrey Epstein (born 1953) then comes in on the scene, convicted of the same kinds of
activities, and linked to the networks reflected in the above
By the way, the 'police break-in' to Epstein's New York City 27,000 square foot mansion,
is regarded as a staged fake event by many, because as was clear, Epstein had multiple
live-in staffers, there was always a butler or someone present 24/7, who would simply have
opened the door for the police. The crowbar damage to the door would not have opened the
high-security portal, and would have set off massive alarms. The people walking out with
cheap rubbish bags of alleged 'evidence' did not even look like police or feds on a
high-profile operation.
Epstein always had lots of aides & helpers such as Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of
'Israeli super-spy Robert Maxwell', allegedly helping procure all the young girls etc., yet
somehow not yet so touched by these events when a 'serious' prosecution would certain quickly
dragnet all such people. What is really going on, remains yet to be seen.
That some, if not many US politicians have degenerate backgrounds and bizarre tastes can't be
brushed off as some coincidence.
If you're a tiny ME nation that is doing a good job of occupying the most powerful
military on Earth or if you're some bankster gangster that wants to keep your fraudulent fiat
money scheme afloat, our corrupt politicians are just what the doctor ordered.
A guy named 'Dr Pizza' who had a pizza emoji next to his name, who tweeted often that
Pizzagate was completely made up and once to the effect that "why would pedophiles put
badges that could identify them up online" was arrested for being a pedophile and then
subsequently came out he had constantly argued for relaxations on things like child porn
and sexual-related issues.
The bastards just love molesting our minds as well. Who can deny that they enjoy it even
more when they ply their perversions in our faces? It should also be crystal clear that the
gratuitous Isreali sniping and crippling and a thousand other outrageous crimes against
humanity stimulate the hell out of the perverts.
When will people finally get it through their heads that politics is all about
domination , most often in perverted and sadistic forms?
@Jimmy R I'm no Catholic, but it's long been obvious that the incessant harping on the
Church's pedophilia is a twofer; it's not only a huge smear campaign, but it's no doubt worth
$$ to the usual suspects. Look what the Commies did to religious folk in the former USSR and
to the largely Christian Germany, and tell me that there's no connection.
Sadistic perverts rule with the consistent support of the "great" US moneyed ruling
classes while the drooling rubes and dupes do their part as well.
@Jimmy R It is all about stopping the Catholic Church from having a voice to oppose Zion
BC wars and coups. The Jewish Zionists want to continue the mass destruction of our planet
without any back talk.
Planted Memories is a good trick to silence any organization and a big one like the
Catholic Church.
Planted memories have used since the 1990s against the Catholic Church in a big way. After
the end of the cold war, the ZUS wanted wars for Zion mania. No back talk allowed from any
one or group is "allowed". This planted memories games works like a charm and has been used
over and over again on the Catholic Church to silence it. It allows the wars and the coups
for Zion BC go on and on endlessly with no back talk. It is a common trick for many cases
these days.
"There is no credible scientific support for the idea that we can take eleven years of
brutalization and banish it into the unconscious and then undergo some therapy which is
going to make us aware of it," Dr. Loftus reported as she discussed the Holly Ramona case,
"and yet these kinds of things were being introduced into court cases throughout the 1990s
and into the 2000s and still today." While her outspoken opposition to recovered memory has
led to her being targeted by feminist and victims' rights groups over the years (including
the controversial "Jane Doe case"), Dr. Loftus continues to stand by her own research into
false memory.
Regarding the fabled photos of J Edgar Hoover in a woman's dress and with his gay lover, held
as successful blackmail by the Jewish mob & Meyer Lansky, Ms Whitney Webb says in her
Mint Press News series on Epstein connections:
Anthony Summers, former BBC journalist and author of 'Official and Confidential: The
Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover', has argued that it was not Lansky, but William Donovan,
the director of the OSS, who obtained the original photos of Hoover and later shared them
with Lansky.
Ms Webb argues for a quite long series of connections between the USA-Canadian Jewish
& Italian mobs going back a century, the paedophile and under-age-sex-slave blackmail
groups, and the USA & Israel intel agencies. Her series is quite something, the first two
installments: https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epstein-blackmail-roy-cohn/260621/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/blackmail-jeffrey-epstein-trump-mentor-reagan-era/260760/
Many connections are indeed striking. Trump's current USA Attorney General Barr (born 1950)
& his father Donald Barr (1921-2004), were both CIA-intel officers & both linked to
Epstein. William was CIA officer 1973-77, the CIA supporting him going to law school, father
Donald with OSS & Bill Donovan the CIA predecessor during WW2.
Barr's later law firm Kirkland & Ellis represented Epstein; Donald Barr, when NYC
Dalton School headmaster, gave Jeffrey Epstein his first job, teaching teen-age girls &
boys 1973-75, whilst William Barr was at the CIA. Father Donald Barr was fascinated by sex
slavery as much as Epstein apparently, Barr authoring a 1973 fantasy novel on the subject,
'Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale" book published when Jeffrey Epstein
was his underling & school-teacher of teens.
Ms Webb recounts multiple child molestation and political blackmail groups -- which had a
collective name, 'Bodies from God' -- all linking ultimately with Jeffrey Epstein, intel
agencies, and Jewish mobsters; Lansky etc., and such as the Bronfmans of Canada, the
Bronfmans in 1991 joining with Epstein's patron & the original buyer of his New York City
mansion, Les Wexner, to found the 'Mega Group' of 20 or so Zionist Jewish billionaires who
are now often perceived to be the Mossad-backed money source for Epstein. A short list of
these groups and persons mentioned by Webb
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(1) Roy Cohn (1927-86) allegedly ran child sex and blackmail operations for decades,
operating out of locales such as New York's Plaza Hotel
(2) Robert Keith Gray (1921-2014), USA lobbyist, "specialist in homosexual blackmail
operations for the CIA and reported to have collaborated with Roy Cohn"
(3) Bruce Ritter (1927-99), Roman Catholic priest and founder of Covenant House for
homeless teenagers, "eventually accused of having sexual relationships with many of the
underaged boys he had taken in", Ritter supported by Cardinal Spellman closely tied to Roy
Cohn, and tied to George H W Bush's Yale room-mate
(4) Craig Spence (1941-89), another USA lobbyist; "in June 1989, it was revealed that he
had been pimping out children to the power elite in the nation's capital throughout the 1980s
in apartments that were bugged with video and audio recording equipment reports on Spence's
child sex ring also reveal his close ties to none other than the ubiquitous Roy Cohn
"Spence had been able to enter the White House late at night during the George H.W. Bush
administration with young men whom the Washington Times described as 'call boys' Spence often
boasted that he was working for the CIA Not long after the Washington Times report on his
activities was published, Spence was found dead in the Boston Ritz Carlton and his death was
quickly ruled a suicide."
(5) Lawrence E. King Jr, lobbyist and credit union banker, key figure in the "infamous
Franklin child sex abuse and ritual murder scandal run out of Omaha, Nebraska Larry King and
his Nebraska-based call boy ring, was discovered by looking through the credit card chits of
Spence's ring King and Spence were essentially business partners as their child trafficking
rings were operated under a larger group that was nicknamed 'Bodies by God' the rings run by
both King and Spence were connected to each other and both were also connected to prominent
officials in the Reagan and subsequent George H.W. Bush administrations, including officials
with ties to the CIA and Roy Cohn and his network"
(6) Jeffrey Epstein (born 1953) then comes in on the scene, convicted of the same kinds of
activities, and linked to the networks reflected in the above
By the way, the 'police break-in' to Epstein's New York City 27,000 square foot mansion,
is regarded as a staged fake event by many, because as was clear, Epstein had multiple
live-in staffers, there was always a butler or someone present 24/7, who would simply have
opened the door for the police. The crowbar damage to the door would not have opened the
high-security portal, and would have set off massive alarms. The people walking out with
cheap rubbish bags of alleged 'evidence' did not even look like police or feds on a
high-profile operation.
Epstein always had lots of aides & helpers such as Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of
'Israeli super-spy Robert Maxwell', allegedly helping procure all the young girls etc., yet
somehow not yet so touched by these events when a 'serious' prosecution would certain quickly
dragnet all such people. What is really going on, remains yet to be seen.
Pizzagate" is a debunked conspiracy theory that went viral during the 2016 United States
presidential election cycle.[2][3][4] It has been extensively discredited by a wide range
of organizations, including the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of
Columbia.[3][4][5]
Some of Pizzagate's proponents, including David Seaman and Michael G. Flynn (Michael
Flynn's son), have evolved the conspiracy into a broader government conspiracy called
"Pedogate". According to this theory, a "satanic cabal of elites" of the New World Order
operates international child sex trafficking rings.[27]
One of the victims filed a federal lawsuit. Once filed, this is public record. The only
redactions allowed are social security numbers and the like.
When the Miami Herald went to obtain the Motion for Summary Judgment, it was completely
redacted. 137 pages of blacked out paragraphs.
A motion for summary judgment is basically saying there are no material issues in dispute-
nothing to litigate. This document would contain all relevant facts about the case.
This type of redaction is unheard, unprecedented- appalling.
The only reason the Herald is in pursuit ( and any other MSM) is because they believed it
would destroy Trump.
It's now on appeal. If the redactions stand, we should riot in the street. We knew justice
was bought, but pedophilia usually will stir up some dregs of bureaucratic slugs to
action.
And with a parallel to McCain, if Clinton slithers out of this- with over 27 flights on
the Lolita Express- he is officially the most untouchable man in history.
Once you start researching the Epstein matter- not for the lurid details- but the
unprecedented, jaw dropping preferential treatment of an actual human sex trafficker ( not
this fake #metoo hysteria)
-- all hope is lost.
Note the strange silence from Hollywood and the elites regarding Epstein's victims, when
they were wearing hair shirts over Christine Fords 30 year old accusation.
A wealthy smug scold, who looks like an exploded can of rotten biscuit dough had them
weeping on camera.
Dozens of little girls -- all poor and from fatherless backgrounds marred by parental drug
abuse, suicides and physical abuse- selected and sexually devastated by Epstein- not a
word.
Ron Unz says: " ..at the core of our hugely corrupted political system .."
So whats to be done? Isn't that the big question here?
I believe that its only with the an understanding of the true, 100% corrupt nature of the
state, that real-world solutions to the massive [ and progressively worse] problems it causes
in society can be worked out and then implemented.
Ron, the big picture here that you, like most, either genuinely don't see [ or
conveniently refuse to see] is this:
The True Nature of All Governments:
"Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and
counterfeiting [via central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very
cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be "reformed","improved", nor "limited" in
scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature." onebornfree
"Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way
to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those
of a professional-criminal class." Albert J. Nock
"Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." Robert LeFevre
Without an generally accepted understanding of the true nature of all states and
governments, we are lost, as far as I can see.
@Jimmy R Also, there is a major distinction: child abuse in the Catholic Church is
committed by isolated individuals whose sole responsibility is involved when the crime is
committed. It is not institutionalised, pre-planned and organised by a group, as it is within
the political establishment.
It is the same difference as between a criminal and organised crime, and it is a major
difference, in magnitude and in nature.
I actually highly reccomend a film called "Eyes Wide Shut."
The film, which stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, was directed by the late Stanley
Kubrick and released back in 1999. It was extremely hyped at the time, especially given that
Kubrick died several days after completing the film.
While I won't summarize the entire film, there is one very important scene in which Tom
Cruise's character sneaks into a large New York mansion and stumbles upon a Satanic sexual
ritual/orgy. At the ritual/orgy, there are various individuals in costumes&masks who
engage in debauched sexual practices with sex slaves. Later in the movie, one of the men
there (who happens to be a prominent local Jewish socialite) tells Tom Cruise's character
that the Satanic sexual gathering was full of very important and powerful local figures. Tom
Cruise's character is ominously threatened into silence. At the end of the film, Tom Cruise
and Nicole Kidman allow their young daughter to be taken by the Satanic sexual abusers.
After he was finished with the movie, Stanley Kubrick showed it to execs from Warner
Brothers for the first time. They ended up getting into a contentious argument over the film.
The next day, Kubrick (who was a very healthy man) was announced dead of a heart attack.
Around 30 minutes of the film was later edited out by Warner Brothers before it was released.
Supposedly (and this has NOT been confirmed) there were scenes of child sexual abuse in the
original that Kubrick made, but this was edited out.
The movie would go on to become very popular in "conspiracy" circles. Many of these people
said that Kubrick (who was notoriously reclusive, enigmatic, and fond of "conspiracy
theories") was exposing the secret world of the Illuminati and their debauched sexual
practices, including their sexual enslavement of children.
There are very interesting similarities between the movie's Satanic sexual gathering and
an eerie real life Rothschild ball held back in 1972 (at one of the family mansions). The
movie even used a Rothschild mansion (Mentmore Towers) as the setting for the Satanic sexual
orgy.
When you hear all the allegations being made against Epstein, it makes you wonder. The New
York mansion. The weird Occult/Satanic temple on his island. The really young women coerced
into orgies. The hordes of wealth, famous, and powerful people who "partied" with Epstein.
The threats made against journalists and accusers who've come forward. The Jewish connection.
The Rothschild connection (Dershowitz was introduced to Epstein by the Rothschilds). The
Royal family and Prince Andrew connection ("Eyes Wide Shut" had a character with the surname
"Windsor"). There are many similarities to "Eyes Wide Shut."
If we assume that the Illuminati (or a similar elite society) actually exists, maybe it
makes sense that they would invite powerful people to attend their parties and engage in
debauched sexual acts, especially with the underaged. By encouraging this, the society would
get blackmail material on the elite of society. Once those elites were under blackmail,
they'd be puppets. These compromised elites would also be willing to recruit more new members
and bring them to the sexual parties.
So perhaps Epstein started off by befriending a few of the elite (with the Mossad helping
facilitate the social interaction). He then invited them to some type of perverse sexual
party. Once Epstein got tapes and pictures of them, these elites then became Israeli pawns
and also became willing to invite their elite friends to the parties.
That may explain why Epstein became so popular and why no one was willing to take him
down. That may also explain why everyone quoted in news articles always used to mention his
supposed "brilliance."
Even Newsweek noted the similarity between "Eyes Wide Shut" and the Epstein situation.
If you're interested in seeing the ritual that I mentioned above, here's a short video
from the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein was doing something similar to this in his
Occult/Satanic temple on his island.
What this article should convince everyone of is that 'rules but no rulers' makes perfect
sense. That's what real anarchism means -- rules but no rulers. If your immediate mental
picture was of a bomb thrower, then your mind has been successfully infiltrated by the powers
that shouldn't be.
Why is it that one person with the title of 'President' can declare things that affect the
lives of millions of USians and billions world wide. No one should have that much power.
"The way to get rid of corruption in high places is to get rid of high places." -- Frank
Chodorov
If the deep state has managed to install their puppets in positions of authority shouldn't
we all be trying to get rid of the positions of authority instead of rotating through that
position replaceable candidates offered up by the deep state political parties?
If you vote, you are tacitly approving of a system that has enslaved your mind.
If you're not an anarchist, you are part of the problem.
Kudos, Ron Unz. Excellent article and a useful tutorial on the hidden control mechanism of
what the late Paul A. Samuelson called our "democratic oligarchy".
I applaud your parlor joke:
" that perhaps the best career move for an ambitious young politician would be to
secretly commit some monstrous crime and then make sure that the hard evidence of his guilt
ended up in the hands of certain powerful people, thereby assuring his rapid political
rise."
A great French investigative reporter crafted an unfunny version:
"Indeed, under our putative system of democracy, especially since JFK, the oligarchy
will not allow the election of any candidate who cannot be blackmailed."
-- Thierry Meyssan, Before our very eyes -- fake wars and big lies from 9/11 to Donald
Trump , p. 146.
He had just described the 911 caper as a Cheney-led deep-state coup to activate the secret
but long-standing CoG procedure to sideline the Constitution. It succeeded when clueless
Dubya was reinstated as figure-head president within 24 hours after agreeing to the clique's
CoG (continuity of government) agenda, including the planned wars.
No wonder the shenannigans of compromised office-holding puppets (actors, really) and
their shadowy string-pullers never seem to be known to their spear-carriers in MSM.
McCain was a psycopath and a traitor and proof of the zionists love of war and killers was
their praise for this psycopath in his death and funeral and on the other hand no mention was
ever made about the crime committed against the crew of the USS Liberty by the joint Israeli
and zio/US attack on the Liberty, this shows how f##ked up this zionist ruled country has
become!
Get and read the book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen about the joint Israeli and zio/US
attack on the Liberty, who McCains father participated in the cover up of this war crime!
The number one career choice for aspiring crooks and fuckups is politics .McCain with
his punk complex temper couldn't have held on to job anywhere else.
Perverts and psychopaths as well.
" nobody is going to be a thief with me as his accomplice,
and that right there is why I'm going in no governor's entourage."
Juvenal, Satires, Volume 3, (3.41-48) ~100 AD
Now do not be vexed with me when I speak the truth. For there is no human being who will
preserve his life if he genuinely opposes either you or any other multitude and prevents
many unjust and unlawful things from happening in the city. Rather, if someone who
really fights for the just is going to preserve himself even for a short time, it is
necessary for him to lead a private rather than a public life.
@Jimmy R The Diocese of Rockville Centre, where I live, has released a list of 61 priests
accused of sexual misconduct. The Diocese of Newark, NJ has released a list of 82 priests.
The Diocese of Brooklyn, NY has released a list of 108 priests. The Diocese of NY has
released a list of 120. That's a lot more than eight, and I think if the Church is willing to
give us this many names, there are probably quite a few who managed to fly under the radar.
I was raised a Catholic and really wish I didn't have to accept this reality. I've read
stories that the Church was infiltrated in the 20th century, and perhaps it's true, but maybe
it's been going on for a very long time. It does seem to be a bit unnatural for a man to
become celibate, and that might be one of the reasons so many deviants were attracted to the
priesthood, I don't know. I do know I never trusted any of them alone with my kids and I'd
advise others to do the same.
It's a shame, because as a society we need some kind of moralistic code, but the Church
has failed, or is at least failing, at this time in its history.
'He bragged she was his sex slave': Jeffrey Epstein 'purchased Nadia Marcinkova as a girl from her
family, shot child porn of her with underage teen and forced her into threesomes'
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
Nada Marcinkova, who now goes by Nadia, was one of Epstein's victims as well as
an enabler according to interviews with victims back in 2005
An incident report obtained by DailyMail.com reveals she was as young as 15
when she first began having sex with Epstein and other victims
She was forced to have sex with at least three other women, two of whom were
underage, while Epstein would watch and perform sex acts on himself
'Epstein had purchased her from her family in Yugoslavia,' wrote Detective
Joseph Recarey after his interview with one victim
'Epstein bragged he brought her into the United States to be his Yugoslavian
sex slave,' Detective Recarey said after speaking to that same victim
She was granted immunity as part of Epstein's 2008 plea deal, despite never
being identified as a person to criminally charge in the case
The foreign-born model who many have identified as an accomplice in
procuring underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein is just as much a victim of the serial pedophile, according
to official reports.
Incident reports from the Palm Beach Police Department's 2005 investigation
that were obtained by DailyMail.com claim that Epstein told at least one underage victim that Nada
Marcinkova was his 'Yugoslavian sex slave.'
Multiple girls also state that Epstein made them engage in sexual acts with
Marcinkova, which eventually turned into threesomes with both himself and the model.
'Epstein had purchased her from her family in Yugoslavia,' wrote Detective
Joseph Recarey after his interview with one victim.
'Epstein bragged he brought her into the United States to be his
Yugoslavian sex slave.'
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Scene: An incident report obtained by DailyMail.com reveals she was as young
as 15 when she first began having sex with Epstein and other victims at his Palm Beach home (above)
Marcinkova would have been underage during most of the alleged incidents
described by the victims to Detective Recarey.
She was no older then 16 when she and another underage victim were
allegedly forced to stimulate each other manually, orally and with toys while Epstein watched them and
pleasured himself in the bed.
That same unnamed girl broke down in tears while revealing she had been to
Epstein's Palm Beach mansion hundreds of times in a two-year period and made thousands of dollars.
At first she was paid extra to perform an oral sex act on Marcinkova, then
each week 'things continued to escalate', states the incident report.
She said that she was 'adamant... that no vaginal penetration would occur
with [Epstein],' but then that too did occur while she was underage, she told Detective Recarey.
On one occasion, the date of which he could not recall, Epstein allegedly
raped that victim after she and Marcinkova had engaged in an oral sex act to completion.
'She said her head was being held against the bed forcibly... she screamed
no and Epstein stopped,' said the report.
Soon after this, the victim said that Epstein purchased a '2005 Doge [sic]
Neon, blue in color for her personal use.'
'Epstein bragged he brought her into the United States to be his Yugoslavian sex slave,' Detective Recarey said after speaking to that same victim (Epstein above in 2008)"
Another woman also detailed a similar progression of events, starting with
massages and leading into sexual encounters with Marcinkova.
That victim, who was of age during all visits to the house as she first met
Epstein at 18, told Detective Recarey she also performed oral sex acts on Epstein but refused his
directive to bring around other young girls.
She also claimed that she was once directed to perform a manual sex act on
herself while watching Epstein have sex with Marcinkova.
Another victim, who told police she began having sexual relations with
Marcinkova at 16, said that Epstein took pictures of the two and actually displayed them around his
home.
These incidents make it clear that Marcinkova was also an alleged victim of
Epstein.
She would later move into more of a procurement role, according to court
documents, and eventually cut ties with Epstein.
Marcinkova was granted immunity as part of Epstein's 2008 deal despite the
fact that no charges would likely have been filed against her based on the police investigation.
She was actually born in the former Czechoslovakia just four years before
the Velvet Revolution, which precipitated the non-violent transition of power in the country.
At some point she and her family did move to Yugoslavia. In recent years,
she has changed her surname and Americanized her first name, going by Nadia.
Jeffrey Epstein's longtime personal pilots have been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors in Manhattan, according to the
Wall Street Journal . The grand jury subpoenaes were served earlier this month following Epstein's July 6 arrest at Teterboro
Airport in New Jersey on charges of sex-trafficking minors. He has pleaded not guilty to the yearslong scheme in which prosecutors
allege the wealthy financier sexually abused dozens of young girls from 2002 to 2005, some of whom recruited other victims.
It is unknown how many of Epstein's pilots were subpoenaed, or whether they are cooperating witnesses. According to court documents
from prior cases, Epstein employed David Rodgers, Larry Visoski, Larry Morrison and Bill Hammond as pilots and flight engineers.
Rogers, Visoski and Morrison have previously testified in civil depositions.
Testimony from the pilots could be used by federal investigators in their efforts to corroborate accounts from Mr. Epstein's
accusers. They could also provide detail on Mr. Epstein's travels and his associates. Some of the pilots were responsible for
keeping flight logs of passengers who flew on Mr. Epstein's private jet, according to court filings. -
Wall Street Journal
While prosecutors claimed that Epstein owns two private jets, the registered sex offender's attorneys said in a court filing earlier
this month that he owns one private jet, and "sold the other jet in June 2019." Considering that he was arrested after returning
from Paris in his Gulfstream G550, per Bloomberg , it suggests that Epstein sold his infamous and evidence-rich Boeing 272-200 known
as the "Lolita Express"
weeks
before his arrest .
Women in civil lawsuits have accused Mr. Epstein of conspiring with his pilots and other associates from at least 1998 to 2002
to facilitate sex abuse and avoid law-enforcement detection . One woman has said in court filings that when she was a minor in
2000, Mr. Epstein transported her regularly on his private jet to be sexually exploited by his associates and friends . -
Wall Street Journal
According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" a total of 27 times . "Many of those times
Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not," according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff - who
first revealed the former president's extensive flights on Epstein's "lolita express" in a 2010
Daily Beast exposé.
Clinton claimed in a statement earlier
this month that he only took "a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane" in 2002 and 2003, and that Secret Service accompanied
him at all times - which Sarnoff told Fox News was a
total lie
.
"I know from the pilot logs and these are pilot logs that you know were written by different pilots and at different times that
Clinton went, he was a guest of Epstein's 27 times ," said Sarnoff.
Other famous guests include actor Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, who flew with Clinton to Africa to tour HIV/AIDS project sites,
according to New York Magazine in 2002, which notes how
much Epstein revered the former president.
Lawyers for some of Epstein's accusers alleged in a 2015 court filing that flight logs provided by Epstein pilot Rodgers were
incomplete, and that they will corroborate their accusations of being trafficked by Epstein and his associates when they were underage
.
"It would not be surprising to find that some of these flight logs were likely designed to hide evidence of criminal activity
-- or perhaps later cleansed of such evidence," wrote the lawyers.
Investigators may be interested in asking Mr. Epstein's pilots whether they witnessed any efforts by Mr. Epstein to interfere
with law enforcement, according to legal experts. In recent court filings, prosecutors have
accused Mr. Epstein of tampering with witnesses , an allegation that Mr. Epstein's lawyers denied in court.
Federal prosecutors in Miami and Mr. Epstein's lawyers in 2007 negotiated over the possibility of Mr. Epstein pleading guilty
to obstruction of justice, including for an incident involving one of his pilots, according to emails that became public in civil
lawsuits. -
Wall Street Journal
Interestingly, prosecutors confirmed that there are " uncharged individuals " in Epstein's case. Aside from his close associate
and Clinton pal Ghislaine Maxwell - his 'madam,' could the pilots be on that list?"
"... A reporter at Wired tried to look into Marcinko's past to parse whether she was a willing, or unwilling, participant in Epstein's crimes, and whether she was also one of his youngest victims. Some of Epstein's other victims told police that Marcinko pressured them to sleep with both her and Epstein. Though her history of flying with Epstein is harder to pin down due to Epstein's record-keeping practices (he only recorded the first names of underage girls in flight logs, if at all), but it's become clear that during her first decade in the country, from roughly 2000 to the beginning of Epstein's prison sentence, she frequently flew between Epstein's properties in New York, Palm Beach, Monterey, Columbus, Ohio and the Azores. A pilot who once worked for Epstein testified that she had flown with him hundreds of times. ..."
"... Marcinko's relationship with Epstein presumably ended when she was given immunity from prosecution in 2008 after being named an accomplice. It's still not entirely clear how she came to live with Epstein. Was she 'sold' to him by family members in Bratislava? Or did she run away with him willingly, hoping for a more glamorous life? ..."
"... Whatever happened, as Wired claims, Marcinko is part of a small group of people who are both victims of Epstein and possible abusers. ..."
While anybody even remotely familiar with the Epstein story knows that his actions were irredeemably heinous, there are other
characters in Epstein's orbit - characters who may have participated in what appears to be a global sex-trafficking ring - who are
more complicated.
One of those characters is a 32-year-old model named Nadia Marcinko. Marcinko, who was once described in court documents as Epstein's
"in-house sex slave" was ferried out of Slovakia on Epstein's private jet when she was just 15, and lived with the billionaire for
years after,
Wired reports.
Now working as a commercial pilot, Marcinko is clearly hoping the media will gloss over her involvement with Epstein. She refuses
to talk to reporters, and even uses a slightly modified version of her last name (she was once known as Nadia Marcinkova).
A reporter at Wired tried to look into Marcinko's past to parse whether she was a willing, or unwilling, participant in Epstein's
crimes, and whether she was also one of his youngest victims. Some of Epstein's other victims told police that Marcinko pressured
them to sleep with both her and Epstein. Though her history of flying with Epstein is harder to pin down due to Epstein's record-keeping
practices (he only recorded the first names of underage girls in flight logs, if at all), but it's become clear that during her first
decade in the country, from roughly 2000 to the beginning of Epstein's prison sentence, she frequently flew between Epstein's properties
in New York, Palm Beach, Monterey, Columbus, Ohio and the Azores. A pilot who once worked for Epstein testified that she had flown
with him hundreds of times.
Marcinko's relationship with Epstein presumably ended when she was given immunity from prosecution in 2008 after being named
an accomplice. It's still not entirely clear how she came to live with Epstein. Was she 'sold' to him by family members in Bratislava?
Or did she run away with him willingly, hoping for a more glamorous life?
Whatever happened, as
Wired claims, Marcinko is part of a small group of people who are both victims of Epstein and possible abusers.
Her testimony could again be useful. That is, if she ultimately avoids being implicated as a 'rape facilitator'.
This type of adult behavior is really common among prior child sex victims, even younger than what they are stating here.
If children get sex instead of parenting and nurturing they equate sex with love and their only value. They later often turn
into over sexualized 'desperate attention whores'. They could easily help abuse others to stay in the game for their desperation
for attention validation.
This is probably the closest thing Epstein had to a mate. You can see that he cant bond with people, there is only sex, narcissism
and objectifying. Business deal is as close as he gets.
Read the Wired article. She is portrayed as both not necessarily in that order. They theorize she may have been sold to JE
or maybe he simply took her before eh engaged in recruitment and abuse herself. They conclude with:
"It's all too sad, and anyone who is said to have entered bondage at 15, and was forced to act as a sex slave, deserves much,
much better."
No its Mossad. His partner chick Maxwell's father even had an Mossad Israeli state funeral. Although the CIA is subservient
to Mossad, so same thing in the end.
That's why the Israeli Mossad guys caught in Sept 11 were eventually released.
Australia has become the first country in the world to recognise so-called orphanage trafficking as a form of modern-day slavery.
The vast majority of children living in "orphanages" in developing nations are not true orphans. About 80%
have a living parent or family .
Such institutions are often run for the profit of their owners. They are sustained by well-meaning western tourists who visit
to donate or volunteer their time.
We have a very short summary this time, but the GTRP Diagram is the Value. In this post we look at the information available
pertaining to Roy Cohn. We look at his relationships with Ronald Reagan, Rupert Murdoch, Nicaraguan Rebel propaganda. Cohn's
leadership role in the Western Goals Foundation, Larry McDonald, and the Council for National Policy. Cohn's admitted role
in CIA pedophile ring, referred to by some as Human Compromise operations. Cohn's pedophile network continued by Edwin Wilson's
pedophile network uncovered and investigated by Sen. John DeCamp. Cohn law practice ties to Organized Crime and the Catholic
Archdiocese of New York. Cohn's mentorship of bot...
Sexual Blackmail" "Pedophile Ring" "Roy Cohn and Rupert Murdoch" "Pizzagate" "John Podesta" "Iran-Contra" "Edwin Wilson"
"Roger Stone" (
https://gtrpweb.com/featured_content )
"Historically, one of Wilson's Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary .
Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh . A remembrance of these occasions
[was] permanently recorded via selected cameras . The technicians in charge of filming were TSD [Technical Services Division
of the CIA]. The unwitting ***** stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office." (Qtd. in
DeCamp 179)
Cohn also had a protégé of his own: a young, up-and-coming real-estate developer named Donald J. Trump. And though Trump
and Cohn's relationship spanned from the early 1970s until a few months before Cohn's death, in 1986 (Trump abandoned his mentor
as Cohn lay dying), there seemed to be a lot of information of contemporary significance contained within their bizarre partnership
This girl is all over the internet profiling her piloting of planes.........
Narcissism in a woman is twice as bad as in a man............
The story of Narcissus dates back to ancient Greece. It was said that this young man was the son of a nymph named Liriope,
and the river deity and personification of the river, Cephissus. Narcissus was raised in Boeotia (a region in central Greece)
and grew into an extremely handsome youth. However, he never found anyone he thought was as attractive as he was; he left a string
of broken-hearted girls (and a few young men) everywhere he went.
until one day Narcissus happened to see his own reflection in the water. He had finally found someone he found truly attractive:
himself. He tried to kiss the image, but only created a ripple in the water that hid the reflection. Obsessed with his love for
his own image, but never able to touch it, he wasted away and eventually died of hunger and thirst.
The term and the Greek story are not connected. Narcs actually hate themselves deep down and tend to only associate with those
who either make them look good or they can dominate.
A nitro story, and from what seems already apparent, one of breathtaking dimension. This would be the swamp dam break. The
scumbags who would go down ... limited only by one's imagination. True justice in this case would be the correction the U.S. needs
to really get back to greatness. It would be the story of our times ... for the ages.
Any networks covering this? Are the masses being informed? Does the guy sitting next to you, standing behind you, mowing your
lawn, stocking the shelves .... do they know who Epstein is? Nope, and the story is getting buried.
If the Clintons have the most to lose over a thorough investigation of Epstein's sexual abuse of minors then Epstein does not
have long. People posing a threat to Team Clinton usually have accidents and disappear. This is going to get much uglier for swamp
dwellers.
"Epstein also made E.W. perform oral sex on him and was to perform sex acts on Nadia Marcinkova [pictured above, on right]
(Epstein's live-in sex slave) in Epstein's presence."
Case 09-34791-RBR Doc 1603-3 Filed 04/08/11 Page 7 of 39
the Palm Beach Police Department also began investigating Epstein's sexual abuse of minor girls. They also collected evidence
of Epstein's involvement with minor girls and his obsession with training sex slaves, including pulling information from Epstein's
trash. Their investigation showed that Epstein ordered from Amazon.com on about
September 4, 2005, such books as: SMI 01: A Realistic Introduction, by Jay Wiseman; SlaveCraft: Roadmaps for Erotic Servitude
- Principles, Skills, and Tools, by Guy Baldwin; and Training with Miss Abernathy: A Workbook for Erotic Slaves and Their Owners,
by Christina Abernathy. See Receipt for Sex Slave Books (Exhibit "I")
Case 09-34791 -RBR Doc 1 603-3 Filed 04/08/1 1 Page 1 1 of 39
further, how "convenient" the synchronicity as the Virgin Islands have just been hit this week with a MOSSAD CIA MI6 FSB bleach
bit "ransom ware" "hack" huh huh.
Jeffrey Epstein
was found injured in his New York City jail cell while awaiting federal sex abuse charges,
according to multiple reports.
The multimillionaire financier, who is accused of sex trafficking underage girls, was found semi-conscious at
the Metropolitan Correctional Center with marks on his neck,
local station NBC New York first reported
, citing sources close to the investigation.
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It's not yet clear whether the injuries, which were incurred Tuesday, were self-inflicted or the result of an
assault.
The injuries were not described as serious and prison officials were treating it as a possible suicide attempt,
a law enforcement official who had been briefed on the matter
told The New York Times
.
A spokesperson for the Federal Bureau of Prisons in an email to HuffPost on Thursday said Epstein remains
housed at the jail facility, denying reports that he had been taken to a local hospital for treatment.
"As with all inmates, for privacy and security reasons, we do not share information on an inmate's medical
status or their conditions of confinement," the spokesperson added.
Jeffrey Epstein, seen in a photo provided by the New York State Sex Offender Registry, was reportedly found
injured in his jail cell after arrested on sex trafficking charges.
The 66-year-old was arrested on July 6 and last week
denied bail by a judge after prosecutors
labeled him an "extraordinary" flight risk. He has pleaded not
guilty to the charges.
A lawyer for Epstein had said that his client was willing to post up to $100 million to secure his release.
This followed his defense team asking that he be
allowed to await trial under house arrest
in his $77 million Manhattan mansion with electronic monitoring.
But Assistant U.S. Attorney Alex Rossmiller argued against his release, reasoning that investigators found
"piles
of cash," "dozens of diamonds"
and an expired passport with an alias and a Saudi Arabian address during
a search of his mansion.
Epstein's attorneys argued
that the passport had been expired for more than 30 years and had been only used for "personal protection"
while traveling abroad, in case he came upon potential kidnappers, hijackers or terrorists.
Prosecutors noted
that the passport appeared to have been used during entry into France, Spain, the United Kingdom and Saudi
Arabia.
Appalling for both the villainous abuse of children itself and the chilling implications of government by blackmail, this tangled
web of unsavory alliances casts a lurid light on the political history of the U.S. from the Prohibition Era right up through the
Age of Trump. This report, Part II of this series titled "The Jeffrey Epstein Scandal: Too Big To Fail," will delve into Cohn's
close ties to the Reagan administration, which was also closely tied to the same organized crime network led by the infamous mob
figure Meyer Lansky, which was discussed in Part I.
Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire who now sits in jail on federal charges for the sex trafficking of minors, has continued to
draw media scrutiny in the weeks after his arrest on July 6. Part of the reason for this continued media interest is related to
Epstein's alleged relationship to the intelligence services and new information about the true extent of the sexual blackmail
operation Epstein is believed to have run for decades.
As MintPress
reported last week , Epstein was able to run this sordid operation for so long precisely because his was only the latest incarnation
of a much older, more extensive operation that began in the 1950s and perhaps even earlier.
Years later, documents released
by the FBI would show that Epstein became an FBI informant in 2008, when Robert Mueller was the Bureau's director, in exchange
for immunity from then-pending federal charges , a deal that fell through with Epstein's recent arrest on new federal charges.
In addition, former FBI Director Louis Freeh would be hired by Alan Dershowitz, who is accused of raping girls at Epstein's
homes and was once a character witness for Roy Cohn, to intimidate Epstein's victims. As previously mentioned, Freeh's past
appointment as a judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York was orchestrated by Cohn's
law partner Tom Bolan.
Thus, the FBI's cover-up of the Franklin case is just one example of the Bureau's long-standing practice of protecting these
pedophile rings when they involve members of the American political elite and provide the Bureau with a steady supply of blackmail.
It also makes it worth questioning the impartiality of one of the main prosecutors in the Jeffrey Epstein case,
All of this has taken place with the full knowledge and blessing of top figures in the world of "philanthropy" and in the U.S.
government and intelligence communities, with great influence over several presidential administrations, particularly since the
rise of Ronald Reagan and continuing through to Donald Trump.
There is no way to properly excerpt the article without leaving out important information so you can read it yourselves. Whitney
Webb has done an outstanding job piecing together the numerous players who have been involved in child sexual abuse going back
to the prohibition era with the full knowledge of many people high up in government. Reagan, George H.W Bush, many members of
congress, the state department, the FBI and CIA and the Catholic Church. These people turned a blind eye to the suffering of countless
boys and girls just so they could advance whatever sick ..... they wanted.
Epstein was found in his cell in a fetal position with marks on his neck. There are some very powerful people who don't want
him to talk and that he wasn't under protective control already and on suicide watch is unfuckingbelievable. Unless of course
the people who have a lot to lose did it on purpose.
Start with part one of this heinous saga to see how long the PTB have deliberately turned a blind eye to child abuse.
@Fishtroller
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I did a quick "print preview" in FireFox and it looked good. I see FF has a "simplify page" setting now that reduced the size
by a factor of three.
in copy instead of online.... I hate reading long stuff online.
I am reading a a page-turner about the Manson case, CHAOS, by Tom O'Neil. I am only 130 or so pages into it but one thing is
clear: Vincent Bugliosi suborned perjury, concealed evidence and his "helter skelter" theory of the case, the theory on which
The Family were convicted, was an invention.
How does this connect with Epstein? Well, first off it confirms that Bugliosi has been a liar most of his adult life, as while
this is the first book-length criticism of his handling of the case, I think it goes far to show that his role has been the generation
of false narratives for many cases. It also suggests the the LADA office has been infiltrated by people with an amoral violence
who have no allegiance to the truth. And I suspect, by the time I get to the end of the book, that the lines of power will have
extended to many of the other large scandals over the last half-century, meaning that the deepest corridors of power have been
entertaining the American public with gruesome psyops that push the public this way or that.
This is not the first book to criticize Bugliosi's body of work. Jim DiEugenio wrote and then revised a book on all the lies
perpetrated in Bugliosi's "masterpiece" on the JFK murder and its investigation. Lisa Pease hasn't been kind to Bugliosi. Nor
have I. He wrote a foreward to Mark Fuhrman's and then wrote a book of his own on the Brentwood murders, which should make anyone
suspicious of the official prosecution story of that double homicide.
What needs to be reiterated is that the CIA, born out of corrupt Wall Streeters, insanely right-wing generals and a coven of
Nazi war criminals, have performed as one would expect.
The CIA has infiltrated every government agency, allowing the criminals like Stein to operate. Not only allowing them to operate
but to use them as part of their larger goals.
Right now I am on my computer, which is collecting all my information. It has a camera which can get live videos of me without
my say so. We have one of those Alexa thingies that can record things we talk about in our home. I've got a Samsung TV with an
ear open. There are surveillance cameras on every block of our cities.
Can I say this? We are fucked. Grab some popcorn and watch America's rapid demise into full-control fascism.
Heck, how do we know what you've been reading hasn't been a smear campaign to discredit another true enemy of Morgoth?
I am reading a a page-turner about the Manson case, CHAOS, by Tom O'Neil. I am only 130 or so pages into it but one thing
is clear: Vincent Bugliosi suborned perjury, concealed evidence and his "helter skelter" theory of the case, the theory on
which The Family were convicted, was an invention.
How does this connect with Epstein? Well, first off it confirms that Bugliosi has been a liar most of his adult life, as
while this is the first book-length criticism of his handling of the case, I think it goes far to show that his role has been
the generation of false narratives for many cases. It also suggests the the LADA office has been infiltrated by people with
an amoral violence who have no allegiance to the truth. And I suspect, by the time I get to the end of the book, that the lines
of power will have extended to many of the other large scandals over the last half-century, meaning that the deepest corridors
of power have been entertaining the American public with gruesome psyops that push the public this way or that.
This is not the first book to criticize Bugliosi's body of work. Jim DiEugenio wrote and then revised a book on all the
lies perpetrated in Bugliosi's "masterpiece" on the JFK murder and its investigation. Lisa Pease hasn't been kind to Bugliosi.
Nor have I. He wrote a foreward to Mark Fuhrman's and then wrote a book of his own on the Brentwood murders, which should make
anyone suspicious of the official prosecution story of that double homicide.
What needs to be reiterated is that the CIA, born out of corrupt Wall Streeters, insanely right-wing generals and a coven
of Nazi war criminals, have performed as one would expect.
The CIA has infiltrated every government agency, allowing the criminals like Stein to operate. Not only allowing them to
operate but to use them as part of their larger goals.
Right now I am on my computer, which is collecting all my information. It has a camera which can get live videos of me without
my say so. We have one of those Alexa thingies that can record things we talk about in our home. I've got a Samsung TV with
an ear open. There are surveillance cameras on every block of our cities.
Can I say this? We are fucked. Grab some popcorn and watch America's rapid demise into full-control fascism.
@The Liberal
Moonbat Didn't read it, but I'd already pretty much figured out that Dubya was deep into the Deep State. And using "al
Qaeda" as a reaon to attack Iraq wasn't too hard to figure out his bullshit. Plus, he used Mueller to cover up 9/11.
Bugliosi is labeled as a liberal, and as such provides margins to what people on the left side of the imaginary aisle are allowed
to think. He's a thought leader, very important in social control. It wouldn't do for a Billy Graham Jr. to be used as a thought
leader of the left, would it?
But a prosecutor who suborns perjury and writes volumes supporting the Warren Commission should raise suspicions by those following
him and his positions. DiEugenio, who wrote THE JFK ASSASSINATION about all of Bugliosi's JFK BS in the JFK assassination, is
a good place to start. CHAOS looks like another place to go.
I'll look up to see what Morgoth is, but attaching some kind of satanic creature to an atheist's analysis of deep politics
smells a little like bad-jacketing.
@Bob In
Portland Morgoth is the Supreme Evil (as in, above Sauron) of Tolkien's Middle-Earth - I simply meant it, as I have invoked
it before, as a half-sardonic synonym for the Deep State/Military-Industrial Complex.
#4.1 Didn't read
it, but I'd already pretty much figured out that Dubya was deep into the Deep State. And using "al Qaeda" as a reaon to attack
Iraq wasn't too hard to figure out his bullshit. Plus, he used Mueller to cover up 9/11.
Bugliosi is labeled as a liberal, and as such provides margins to what people on the left side of the imaginary aisle are
allowed to think. He's a thought leader, very important in social control. It wouldn't do for a Billy Graham Jr. to be used
as a thought leader of the left, would it?
But a prosecutor who suborns perjury and writes volumes supporting the Warren Commission should raise suspicions by those
following him and his positions. DiEugenio, who wrote THE JFK ASSASSINATION about all of Bugliosi's JFK BS in the JFK assassination,
is a good place to start. CHAOS looks like another place to go.
I'll look up to see what Morgoth is, but attaching some kind of satanic creature to an atheist's analysis of deep politics
smells a little like bad-jacketing.
I am reading a a page-turner about the Manson case, CHAOS, by Tom O'Neil. I am only 130 or so pages into it but one thing
is clear: Vincent Bugliosi suborned perjury, concealed evidence and his "helter skelter" theory of the case, the theory on
which The Family were convicted, was an invention.
How does this connect with Epstein? Well, first off it confirms that Bugliosi has been a liar most of his adult life, as
while this is the first book-length criticism of his handling of the case, I think it goes far to show that his role has been
the generation of false narratives for many cases. It also suggests the the LADA office has been infiltrated by people with
an amoral violence who have no allegiance to the truth. And I suspect, by the time I get to the end of the book, that the lines
of power will have extended to many of the other large scandals over the last half-century, meaning that the deepest corridors
of power have been entertaining the American public with gruesome psyops that push the public this way or that.
This is not the first book to criticize Bugliosi's body of work. Jim DiEugenio wrote and then revised a book on all the
lies perpetrated in Bugliosi's "masterpiece" on the JFK murder and its investigation. Lisa Pease hasn't been kind to Bugliosi.
Nor have I. He wrote a foreward to Mark Fuhrman's and then wrote a book of his own on the Brentwood murders, which should make
anyone suspicious of the official prosecution story of that double homicide.
What needs to be reiterated is that the CIA, born out of corrupt Wall Streeters, insanely right-wing generals and a coven
of Nazi war criminals, have performed as one would expect.
The CIA has infiltrated every government agency, allowing the criminals like Stein to operate. Not only allowing them to
operate but to use them as part of their larger goals.
Right now I am on my computer, which is collecting all my information. It has a camera which can get live videos of me without
my say so. We have one of those Alexa thingies that can record things we talk about in our home. I've got a Samsung TV with
an ear open. There are surveillance cameras on every block of our cities.
Can I say this? We are fucked. Grab some popcorn and watch America's rapid demise into full-control fascism.
Bob In Portland on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 11:36am Bob In Portland on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 11:39am
is capable of anything. Is assassination of politicians by the government too far fetched? Maybe this is why the democratic
party is the way it is today.
"... "Suicide watch" looks very suspicious to me; setting up the framing for him to be "suicided." In fact, it is almost a marquee announcement: "Attention! Attention! WE are so worried that Epstein might kill himself!" ..."
RE: Epstein's unfortunate jail incident: it seems this has gotten him moved to a hospital. I
hope it is a secure hospital, wouldn't want him to escape or have something happen to him.
Ooops, now he is back from the hospital and under "suicide watch". I'd keep him under an
all-purpose watch all the time.
"
Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was found inside his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional
Center in Manhattan with marks on his neck, but it was unclear how he got them, a source
confirmed to the New York Daily News on Wednesday.
NBC News reported late Wednesday that Epstein was found semiconscious in his cell with
marks on his neck that may have been self-inflicted. It was not clear when Epstein was found.
NBC cited two sources saying that Epstein may have tried to hang himself, and another source
saying the injuries were not serious and questioning whether Epstein might be using it to get
a transfer. . . . Miami Herald contributed to this report"
If he was in solitary, who could get to him?
"Suicide watch" looks very suspicious to me; setting up the framing for him to be "suicided."
In fact, it is almost a marquee announcement: "Attention! Attention! WE are so worried that
Epstein might kill himself!"
"... And according to the Beast , "Clinton also failed to mention the intimate 1995 fundraising dinner at the Palm Beach home of Revlon mogul Ron Perelman, where Clinton hobnobbed with the likes of Epstein, Don Johnson, and Jimmy Buffett. (Nearby, at Epstein's own Palm Beach mansion, the money man allegedly abused hundreds of underage girls.)" ..."
"... Meanwhile, Clinton's college friend A. Paul Prosperi visited Epstein at least 20 times while he was in the Palm Beach county jail after pleading guilty to procuring an underage prostitute in 2008. Prosperi was also present at a 1995 Perelman fundraiser at which both Clinton and Epstein were present. ..."
"... Over that same time period, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Daily Beast, Middleton met with Epstein in the White House at least three times . It is unclear what they discussed, or for how long. Middleton did not respond to repeated calls and emails for comment, or to a reporter who visited his home in Arkansas. ..."
Bill Clinton's attempts to distance himself from convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein have
taken yet another blow - after a
Daily Beast investigation reveals that the financier - who came highly recommended by Lynn
Forester de Rothschild - visited the Clinton White House multiple times .
As early as 1993, records show, Epstein donated $10,000 to the White House Historical
Association and attended a donors' reception hosted by Bill and Hillary Clinton. Around the
same time, according to a source familiar with the connection, Epstein visited presidential
aide Mark Middleton several times at the White House . Two years later, businesswoman Lynn
Forester de Rothschild wrote a personal letter to Clinton thanking him for their talk about
the financier . -
Daily Beast
On July 8, the former president sought to distance himself from Epstein, claiming that the
two crossed paths just six times beginning in 2002; "four flights on the billionaire's private
jet, a single trip to his Harlem office, and one "brief visit" to his New York apartment, all
with staff and security detail in tow," per the Beast .
"President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to
in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York,"
Clinton spokesperson, Angel Ureña, told the Beast. " Any suggestion to the contrary is
both factually inaccurate and irresponsible."
Clinton's denial flies in the face of flight logs from Epstein's now-sold 'Lolita Express'
727 jet at least
26 times .
When the president released his initial statement on Epstein, he did not explain the
multiple other trips he appears
to have taken on the financier's plane -- including one flight to Westchester with
Epstein, his alleged madam Ghislaine Maxwell, and an "unnamed female." -
Daily Beast
And according to the Beast , "Clinton also failed to mention the intimate 1995 fundraising
dinner at the Palm Beach home of Revlon mogul Ron Perelman, where Clinton
hobnobbed with the likes of Epstein, Don Johnson, and Jimmy Buffett. (Nearby, at Epstein's
own Palm Beach mansion, the money man allegedly abused hundreds of underage girls.)"
While Politico claimed in a piece last week that the Clintons and Epstein connected through
Epstein's longtime confidant and alleged
procurer of young women - Ghislaine Maxwell, after Clinton left office, documents in
the Clinton Library attest to much earlier links .
In late September of 1993, Bill and Hillary Clinton hosted a reception for supporters who
had contributed to recent White House renovations. The nearly $400,000 overhaul -- which
included new gold draperies and a 13-color woven rug for the Oval Office -- was funded
entirely by donations to the White House Historical Association, a private organization that
helps preserve and promote the White House as a historical monument.
The reception took place at the White House residence from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m., according to
a copy of the president's daily schedule. White House Social Secretary Ann Stock -- who
appears in Epstein's
little black book of phone numbers -- was listed as the point of contact . According to
multiple attendees, the evening included an intimate tour of the newly refurbished residence,
followed by a receiving line with the president and first lady. Dessert was served in the
East Room, where the couple thanked everyone for attending and announced the Committee for
the Preservation of the White House.
Guests for the event , according to the invitation list, included the journalist and
philanthropist Barbara Goldsmith, heiress Jane Engelhard, political consultant Cynthia
Friedman, and " Mr Jeffrey Epstein and Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell ." Epstein and Maxwell do not
appear on the 'regret list,' and there is a letter 'A' next to both of their names,
indicating they planned to attend . A press release from the event, put out by Hillary
Clinton's office, lists Epstein as a White House Historical Association donor. -
Daily Beast
Meanwhile, Clinton's college friend A. Paul Prosperi visited Epstein at least 20 times
while he was in the Palm Beach county jail after pleading guilty to procuring an underage
prostitute in 2008. Prosperi was also present at a 1995 Perelman fundraiser at which both
Clinton and Epstein were present.
Another Clinton connection with Epstein comes through White House aide Mark E. Middleton - a
friend of Clinton's from his beginnings in Arkansas who joined the administration in 1993 as
special assistant to Chief of Staff Mack McClarty (another Arkansas insider, per the Beast ).
Middleton would rise to the level of "Deputy to the Counselor" in 1994.
Over that same time period, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Daily
Beast, Middleton met with Epstein in the White House at least three times . It is unclear
what they discussed, or for how long. Middleton did not respond to repeated calls and emails
for comment, or to a reporter who visited his home in Arkansas.
Middleton and Epstein also appear to have shared a famous friend in common. Donald Trump
-- who once called Epstein a "terrific guy" -- sent Middleton a signed copy of his book , The
Art of the Deal , while the lawyer was working in the White House. The inscription read, " To
Mark -- Best wishes. Your mom is the best ."
Hobnobbing with businessmen like Epstein and Trump was part and parcel of Middleton's
White House job , according to a 1999 report from the House Committee on Government Reform.
("In the course of his duties, Middleton was in contact with many prominent business people
and contributors to the President," the report states.) But it also got the lawyer in trouble
with the administration once he left. -
Daily Beast
Rothschild letter
In 1995, Lynn Forester de Rothschild writes ""Dear Mr. President: It was a pleasure to see
you recently at Senator Kennedy's house. There was too much to discuss and too little time.
Using my fifteen seconds of access to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization, I
neglected to talk to you about a topic near and dear to my heart. Namely, affirmative action
and the future."
Of note, former Epstein attorney and pal Alan Dershowitz previously said that Forester de
Rothschild introduced him to Epstein at a party on Martha's Vineyard for Lord Rothschild in the
summer of 1996.
"He was feisty, he was utterly politically incorrect," said Dershowitz in a recent interview
with New York magazine. "He was interesting to be with."
Bill Clinton and that vicious evil **** of a wife Hillary have done more to **** this
country up and the entire world than any other human beings. No contest.
Remember when Harvey Weinstein was the "scum" of the moment? During these "15 minutes,"
director Quentin Tarantino acknowledged his regret in not exposing Weinstein. Basically, he
gave an interview where he admitted he knew what his producer friend had been doing - or must
have been doing - all these years, and yet Taratino did nothing. Taratino gets credit in my
book for acknowledging this. In other words, he COULD have done something to stop his
activities/crimes, but did not.
Compare and contrast Tarantino's "mea culpa" to the HUNDREDS of VIPs who must have known
what Epstein was doing - for decades. And remained silent and never considered going to
authorities.
Scores or hundreds of people COULD have stopped this, but did not.
This tells us much about our system and the "leaders" who rule us. Also about our
"watchdog" press corps, which had no interest in exposing this person or his operation.
Affirmative action? Ha! 1 year later Clinton signs into law permission for the Attorney
General to traffic in little kids without Judicial oversight;
SEC. 604. ASYLUM REFORM.
(a) Asylum Reform.--Section 208 (8 U.S.C. 1158) is amended to read as follows: ... (D) No
judicial review.--There shall be no judicial review of a determination of the Attorney
General under subparagraph (A)(v). ..." - excerpt from https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-104publ208/html/PLAW-104publ208.htm
Bill Richardson seems to be getting a pass so far on this story. While he has been
identified as being in Epstein's "black book" and receiving a couple of $50,000 campaign
donations from Epstein, what hasn't been mentioned is Richardson's key role as a Clinton
"fixer" and sycophant. Typically, he is identified only as a "former New Mexico
governor."
But prior to being elected governor of New Mexico, he served (if memory is correct) as the
U.S. ambassador to the U.N. under Bill Clinton. It was in this role that he "found" a job for
Monica Lewinsky, when Clinton had to move her out of the White House.
No telling what he did for Clinton before he was rewarded with this plum appointment.
I'm sure if a real investigation ever occurred we would learn that New Mexico leaders were
as "bought off" as the U.S. Virgin Island leaders had to be.
Epstein bought his 7,500 acre "ranch" from a former New Mexico governor. Richardson admits
he visited this place one time (yeah right). The "ranch" has no cattle and has its own air
strip. Hasn't anyone in this state, or this county, investigated what was going on at this
place?
But if Richardson and Clinton are both involved (and they are), we know they were both up
to no good, and we're trying to keep something secret.
" Clinton's college friend A. Paul Prosperi visited Epstein at least 20 times while
he was in the Palm Beach county jail . . ."
Just checking on Epstein's well-being and morale. A true humanitarian. There is no chance
that Mr. Prosperi was acting as a cut-out for the Clinton family. /S
Paul must have visited him at night since Epstein was hardly in his cell during the
daytime due to the allowance of liberal furloughs 6.5 days per week and "business trips" he
was allowed to take that lasted several days.
Virginia Roberts is on the record - in sworn affidavits - of saying she had sex with
Prince Andrew on three occasions. She even mention the places and time frames she was at
these places with Prince Andrew.
Can't reporters or investigators simply see if Prince Andrew was at these places at the
same time she was? Wouldn't this corroborate (or disprove/impeach) her story?
Absolutely not. "Journalists" have no time to check on the Prince Andrew story, or the
allegation that Bill Clinton flew with Epstein 26 times. They are too busy pursuing false
allegations against Trump and putting spin on Mueller's train-wreck testimony from
yesterday.
This story intimates that Bill Clinton and Jeff Epstein knew one another long before
Clinton says they knew one another. And were much closer to one another than we have been led
to believe.
And anyone who spent a lot of time with Epstein knew exactly what commodity/service
Epstein offered.
Even if Clinton never availed himself of the services offered by one of Epstein's girls,
he had to know exactly what business Epstein "trafficked" in. Of course, the notion that
Clinton never "sampled the product" is laughable.
The little voice inside my head , 7 minutes ago
link
The story also opens the door to a vast amount of connections previously unknown, you
could follow the people mentioned in the article and see what became of them and start
building a web... Many posts here are starting to do that. Hopeful
This was some real investigative journalism. All reporters had to do was check White House
records that show who attended what events. This story PROVES Clinton was lying if he indeed
said he didn't know Epstein until after he was out of office. This alone is grounds to
investigate him further. (Things he said in the past have now been proven to be lies -
Investigation 101).
Reporters then showed Clinton's long-time buddy (who ran his political campaign at
Georgetown) was also an associate of Epstein. And this person visited Epstein 20 times (!)
while Epstein was in jail (over a 13-month period).
These CAN'T be coincidences.
Anyway, most of these people will say "no comment" or will refuse to respond to requests
for comments. But this doesn't mean reporters can't find incriminating sources or stories
from other avenues.
For example, Vanity Fair reporters simply interviewed people who worked at the Virgin
Islands airport. They then asked these people: "Did you happen to see a large number of young
girls boarding or getting off Epstein's planes?"
Answer: Yes. Definitely. All the time.
I mean, what are we to make of this?
Why were so many young girls traveling to and from Epstein's island?
"... When scanning the news most days, I see a constant amplification of wedge issues by mass media, blue-check pundits and even many in the so-called alternative media. I see people increasingly being encouraged to demonize and dehumanize their fellow citizens. Anyone who voted for Trump is automatically a Nazi, likewise, anyone who supports Sanders is an anti-American communist. The reality is neither of these things is even remotely true, so why are people so quick to say them? ..."
"... The Epstein case shines a gigantic spotlight on just how twisted and sociopathic the highest echelons of U.S. society have become. This is exactly what happens when you fail to put wealthy and powerful super predators behind bars. They get more brazen, they get more demented and, ultimately, they destroy the very fabric that holds society together. We are in fact ruled by monsters. ..."
Perhaps, at long last, a serial rapist and pedophile may be brought to justice , more than a dozen years after he was first
charged with crimes that have brutalized countless girls and women. But what won't change is this: the cesspool of elites, many
of them in New York, who allowed Jeffrey Epstein to flourish with impunity.
For decades, important, influential, "serious" people attended Epstein's dinner parties, rode his private jet, and furthered
the fiction that he was some kind of genius hedge-fund billionaire. How do we explain why they looked the other way, or flattered
Epstein, even as they must have noticed he was often in the company of a young harem? Easy: They got something in exchange from
him , whether it was a free ride on that airborne "Lolita Express," some other form of monetary largesse, entrée into the extravagant
celebrity soirées he hosted at his townhouse, or, possibly and harrowingly, a pound or two of female flesh.
An honest assessment of the current state of American politics and society in general leaves little room for optimism regarding
the public's ability to accurately diagnose, much less tackle, our fundamental issues at a root level. A primary reason for this
state of affairs boils down to the ease with which the American public is divided against itself and conquered.
Though there are certain issues pretty much everyone can agree on, we simply aren't focusing our collective energy on them or
creating the mass movements necessary to address them. Things such as systemic bipartisan corruption, the institutionalization of
a two-tier justice system in which the wealthy and powerful are above the law, a broken economy that requires both parents to work
and still barely make ends meet, and a military-industrial complex consumed with profits and imperial aggression not national defense.
These are just a few of the many issues that should easily unite us against an entrenched power structure, but it is not happening.
At least not yet.
We currently find ourselves at a unique inflection point in American history. Though I agree with Charles Hugh Smith's assessment
that " Our Ruling
Elites Have No Idea How Much We Want to See Them All in Prison Jumpsuits, " we have yet to reach the point where the general
public is prepared to do something about it. I think there are several reasons for this, but the primary obstacle relates to how
easily the citizenry is divided and conquered. The mass media, largely owned and controlled by billionaires and their corporations,
is highly incentivized to keep the public divided against itself on trivial issues, or at best, on real problems that are merely
symptoms of bipartisan elitist plunder.
The key thing, from a plutocrat's point of view, is to make sure the public never takes a step back and sees the root of society's
problems. It isn't Trump or Obama, and it isn't the Republican or Democratic parties either. These individuals and political gangs
are just useful vehicles for elitist plunder. They help herd the rabble into comfortable little tribal boxes that results in made
for tv squabbling, while the true forces of power carry on with the business of societal pillaging behind the scenes.
You're encouraged to attach your identity to team Republican or team Democrat, but never unite as one voice against a bipartisan
crew of depraved, corrupt and unaccountable power players molding society from the top. While the average person living paycheck
to paycheck fashions themselves part of some biblical fight of good vs. evil by supporting team red or blue, the manipulative and
powerful at the top remain beyond such plebeian theater (though they certainly encourage it). These folks know only one team -- team
green. And their team keeps winning, by the way.
When scanning the news most days, I see a constant amplification of wedge issues by mass media, blue-check pundits and even
many in the so-called alternative media. I see people increasingly being encouraged to demonize and dehumanize their fellow citizens.
Anyone who voted for Trump is automatically a Nazi, likewise, anyone who supports Sanders is an anti-American communist. The reality
is neither of these things is even remotely true, so why are people so quick to say them?
Why is most of the anger in this country being directed at fellow powerless Americans versus upward at the power structure which
nurtured and continues to defend the current depraved status quo? I don't see any upside to actively encouraging one side of the
political discussion to dehumanize the other side, and I suggest we consciously cease engaging in such behavior. Absolutely nothing
good can come from it.
Which is partly why I've been so consumed by the Jeffrey Epstein case. For once, it allows us to focus our energy on the depraved
nature of the so-called American "elite," rather than pick fights with each other. How many random Trump or Sanders supporters do
you know who systematically molest children and then pass them off to their wealthy and powerful friends for purposes of blackmail?
The Epstein case shines a gigantic spotlight on just how twisted and sociopathic the highest echelons of U.S. society have
become. This is exactly what happens when you fail to put wealthy and powerful super predators behind bars. They get more brazen,
they get more demented and, ultimately, they destroy the very fabric that holds society together. We are in fact ruled by monsters.
Unfortunately, by being short-sighted, by fighting amongst ourselves, and by taking the easy route of punching down versus punching
up, we allow such cretins to continue to rape and pillage what remains of our civilization.
If we can truly get to the bottom of exactly what Epstein was up to, I suspect it has the potential to focus the general public
(beyond a few seconds) on the true nature of what's really going on and what makes the world tick. Revelations of such a nature could
provide the proverbial tipping point that's so desperately needed, but this is also why the odds of us actually getting the whole
story is quite low. There's simply too much at stake for those calling the shots.
* * *
Side note: I've been consistently updating my
Epstein twitter thread as I learn new information.
I suggest checking back in from time to time.
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If we can truly get to the bottom of exactly what Epstein was up
1. We can't.
2. Epstein was in the business to set up people with kompromat material ...
3. ...and did it for someone else , it appears as he was protected from above for many years.
4. These " elses " won't allow that the support of the Americans to forever fight Israels wars gets shattered.
5. I expect operation diversion & coverup soon. My hunch is that they will pull a 9/11 hoax as a last resort if things get out
of hand fast.
6. They did it in the past, they will do it in the future.
7. Human lives don't matter to them.
Michael Krieger said: "It's sad and mind-boggling how easy it is to divide and conquer the American public. Manipulating the
masses in this country is trivial. The next few years will not be pretty".
Despite all the news of how the elites have manipulated the American public, it still goes on, unabated. Americans, for the
most part, are dumb and fat couch potatoes. They are not going to rise up against their elite masters, because they don't have
the wherewithal to do so. So, the show continues on, and the elites don't seem to have anything to worry about, and do as they
will.
If Americans were truly energetic about reigning in the abuses of the elites, they would have done so back in the 1870's, when
Mark Twain wrote about the Gilded Age Elites. Here it is, 149 years later, and nothing has changed in America today. The elites
still rule, and everyone else is an indentured servant. Of course, there are benefits for the elites to keep the American masses
dumbed down, and letting them lead couch potato life styles. Doing so, keeps them in power.
I suspect it was the CIA or FBI. But the goal was to keep Acosta from investigating Virginia Roberts' claims. If authorities
did this they would have had to investigate Prince Andrew.
If they found her to be truthful, they might even have to arrest Prince Andrew (can you imagine this happening?). Or at least
ask him to testify in a trial.
If the truth came out, this would humiliate the British nation, and Great Britain was (still is) one of America's most important
allies in the "war on terror" and all our other neocon initiatives.
Acosta was essentially told to "back off" Prince Andrew (not necessarily Epstein, who was best buddies with "Andy.")
This doesn't mean Israel intelligence was not involved in some way. It just means that American intelligence was involved,
or wanted to protect key people. Hell, they still do.
We can be almost certain that the exact same thing that happened with Acosta is happening right now. Some prosecutor is being
told to "back off. Don't go here. Focus only on Epstein and Epstein only."
This is why Ghislaine Maxwell has not been charged and will not be charged. This is why the FBI has not raided Pedo Island
or Pedo Ranch. This is why Epstein's four "co-accomplices" have not been charged.
Prosecutors have again been told that "intelligence" is saying that it's okay to do this (charge Epstein with sex crimes),
but NOT okay to do this (investigate and arrest any fellow predators).
It isn't just the elites and we need to stop pretending it is
"Child sex trafficking which is the buying and selling of women, young girls and boys for sex, some as young as 9 years old,
has become big business in America. It is the fastest growing business in organized crime and the second-most-lucrative commodity
traded illegally after drugs and guns.
Adults purchase children for sex at least 2.5 million times a year in the United States.
It's not just young girls who are vulnerable to these predators, either.
According to a 2016 investigative report, "boys make up about 36% of children caught up in the U.S. sex industry (about 60% are
female and less than 5% are transgender males and females)."
Who buys a child for sex?
Otherwise, ordinary men from all walks of life. "They could be your co-worker, doctor, pastor or spouse."
If Epstein was muslin would this be a crime? Of course not it would be part of Muslim Culture. Look into the Abuse done to
young girls in the Rotherham abuse case. BTW I am no sticking up for Epstein but the ruling elites and certain minorities are
treated different from Joe and Jane Public
"The Epstein Case Is A Rare Opportunity To Focus "On The Depraved Nature Of America's Elite"
This IS a "rare opportunity' for Americans to do just this (focus on how deprived our elite leaders really are).
If Americans really started to do this, for an extended period of time, and got, you know, kind of pissed off about this state
of affairs, we might even throw all the bums out. We might really "drain the swamp."
So this is a BIG story. Potentially.
Of course, the Powers that Be are going to do everything they can to make sure Americans do NOT focus on this story for too
long. Or that the "narrative" is controlled. (For example by focusing only on Epstein, not his hundreds of depraved buddies and
corrupt institutions).
I've been posting for 10 days that there are "too many" of these people. And they are too powerful.
Seems to me if authorities went after one of the "johns," they would have to go after ALL of the "Johns." And this includes
Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, former senators, governors, CEOs, secretaries of the treasury, bankers, etc.
It's the massive numbers of possible offenders that is probably keeping all of these people "safe."
And I still think Prince Andrew is the biggest fish the authorities don't want to humiliate/charge.
Even more so than Clinton. Half the country would throw a party if Clinton was charged. But in the UK, 90 percent of British
citizens would be mortified and greatly embarrassed if one of their Princes was proven to have done all the things that have been
alleged he did.
Note how just as the Epstein story was gaining steam, Trump easily pulled the spotlight
back on himself through racist obnoxious tweets. Playing the role of the heel, much as he did
when in actual pro wrestling and reality tv show.
"In professional wrestling, a heel (also known as a rudo in lucha libre) is a wrestler who
portrays a villain or a "bad guy" and acts as an antagonist[1][2][3] to the faces, who are
the heroic protagonist or "good guy" characters. Not everything a heel wrestler does must be
villainous: heels need only to be booed or jeered by the audience to be effective characters.
To gain heat (with boos and jeers from the audience), heels are often portrayed as
behaving in an immoral manner by breaking rules or otherwise taking advantage of their
opponents outside the bounds of the standards of the match. Others do not (or rarely) break
rules, but instead exhibit unlikeable, appalling and deliberately offensive and demoralizing
personality traits such as arrogance, cowardice or contempt for the audience. Many heels do
both, cheating as well as behaving nastily." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)
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Uncle Jon @67, I heard from a reputable British source that BoJo had a fling with Ghislane
Maxwell, so there's your tie in. I agree that the Epstein Affair is the key to unlocking many
mysteries.
And as if the 'voters' had an actual choice between BoJo and Jeremy Hunt
"UK's Jeremy Hunt: Israel Is 'an Inspiration,' 'Beacon of Democracy'" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naLX3DBvrFg
I've been flogging this article intermittently for years without much positive feedback,
but I still consider the "wrestling fan"'s perspective to be a perfect analogy to the way
most US residents, including self-identified progressives and leftists who profess to be
skeptical/cynical, regard electoral politics.
Something Governmental built-up that Orgy Island, if Not directly then known about,
Epstein had just purchased nearby Great St. James Island, and nearby Dog Island is suspect,
plus ( not very far away ) Water Island has an old Submarine base that has a
underground/underwater Fort !
The Maxwell Manhattan property, which is close to Epstein's mansion, is owned by Lynn
Forester de Rothschild , wife of the British financier Sir Evelyn Robert de Rothschild.
It is also listed as the base of the Terramar project
Chum for fish and likely just dug holes for things like plastics, much like boats sort
their trash !
Plus whatever is in Maintenance yard across from Giganic Generator Building used 600amps
with huge exhaust vents and 6" water piping, that entire area was sea level some 20 Years ago
! Note 200amp runs any house and small businesses, whatever needed 600amps and built like a
bomb shelter also vented a kiln of sorts or a massive incinerator !
Agreed' But their are three 200amp intakes side by side on the building, how much power
the Generator Building could output is unknown ( arial pictures ) because the wires are all
underground and generator itself is unknown !
Their are Wild guesses about the maintenance building across from building with a
generator system because it is massive, with pallets of Concrete Blocks on drive-on roof and
about 150 foot above sea-level that was a beach some 20 years ago !
Some trucked off by barge in the beginning of first drone video. See 15 yard dump truck
parked by barge at beginning. Another video that just surfaced shows 2 underground entrances
and a dumps with fuel barrels, pallets and wood. Lot's of big bonfires I guess.
Generator is housed in a new huge building with doors closed, only the conduit entrenceway
is visible Three side by side at no less than 200amp each go to building equipped with 6"
plumbing lines!?!
I can only explain by having you watch excellent videos on YouTube so ignore if it's
outside your interest!
Go to We The People Insider [Be Ready] 6.3k views Streamed a day ago ( todays Video has a
little more ) and In The Matrixxx [Be Ready] 5k Views Streamed a day ago ( todays video has a
little more ) and find their Video explanations !
I myself 100% believe every word from Both sources, you must decide for yourself!
And 'In the Pursuit of Truth' "Child Mind" 79k views since yesterday and "Be Ready" 68k
views 17 hours ago ! Excellent !
. . . but it is unclear whether the report was ever filed with the Treasury Department's
financial-crimes division.
Unclear?? What a load of ******* ********. Of course it was never filed. That's because a
Stein was involved and he was part of the gang. This info would never have seen the light of
day if the creep wasn't busted again and the only reason we're seeing it now is a cover your
*** move on the part of DoucheBag.
Deutsche Bank uncovered suspicious transactions in which Jeffrey Epstein moved money out of the
United States, according to the
New
York Times
.
The bank reported the transactions to a federal agency in charge of policing financial crimes
after
the bank began to look for signs that Epstein was using his funds for sex trafficking
,
according to the report.
Epstein is said to have moved his moey to Deutsche Bank's private-banking division after JP
Morgan Chase cut ties with himn in 2013, five years after he pleaded guilty to state prostitution
charges - one of which involved a minor.
Deutsche Bank executives are still trying to understand the depth and scope of the bank's
relationship with Mr. Epstein,
who has been a client of its private-banking division
since at least 2013 -- years after his conduct became public in a prostitution case involving a
teenage girl.
Deutsche Bank has been contacted by prosecutors and other government authorities
investigating Mr. Epstein.
Joerg Eigendorf, a Deutsche Bank spokesman, said the bank was
"absolutely committed to cooperating with all relevant authorities."
-
New
York Times
Following a series of investigative reports by the
Miami
Herald
earlier this year, Deutsche Bank followed suit, severing ties with the wealthy
financier. Doing so proved difficult for the bank, as its antiquated systems. "
On a number
of occasions, Deutsche Bank executives had thought they had shut down all of Mr. Epstein's accounts
,
only to learn that there were others that they had not previously been aware of," according to the
Times
.
By late spring, there were still transactions occurring in Epstein's Deutsche Bank accounts,
however company officials now believe they have closed them all down.
Epstein, who is currently sitting in a Manhattan jail cell pending trial, has been accused of
operating a sex-trafficking ring involving dozens of victims - some as young as 14.
He has a byzantine network of businesses and personal holdings, which include real estate, an
island and private planes valued at more than $500 million. -
New
York Times
Deutsche Bank first flagged Epstein's accounts in 2015 and 2016
, after
anti-money laundering compliance officers in the bank's New York and Jacksonville, FL offices
raised a wide spectrum of concerns over the bank's relationship with the financier.
The employees were concerned that the bank's reputation could be harmed if it became public
that Mr. Epstein was a client, according to the people familiar with the internal processes.
In addition,
the compliance officers on at least one occasion noticed potentially
illegal activity in one of Mr. Epstein's account
s, including transactions in which
money was moving outside the United States, the people said. The compliance officers produced a
so-called suspicious activity report, but it is unclear whether the report was ever filed with
the Treasury Department's financial-crimes division.
Despite the compliance officers' misgivings, the bank continued to do extensive business with
Mr. Epstein. -
New
York Times
"We're still trying to get our arms around it," said a bank employee.
"Following a series of investigative reports by the
Miami
Herald
earlier this year, Deutsche Bank followed suit,
severing ties with the wealthy financier. Doing so proved
difficult for the bank, as its antiquated systems. "
On a number
of occasions, Deutsche Bank executives had thought they had shut
down all of Mr. Epstein's accounts
, only to learn that there
were others that they had not previously been aware of," according
to the
Times
. By late spring, there were still transactions
occurring in Epstein's Deutsche Bank accounts, however company
officials now believe they have closed them all down." They had no
investigative people working for them, and somehow did not read
newspapers from Miami at the time. They also have, and always have
had, antiquated systems even though they are a large bank. Who
does this make sense to?
"... According to multiple court filings reviewed by the Miami Herald , lawyers for one of Epstein's alleged victims have claimed that Epstein and Maxwell acted as the leaders of an "organized crime family" and that Maxwell helped traffic girls and women to powerful figures. Per the documents, Maxwell lured the alleged victims into the sex ring by offering them modeling, fashion, and educational opportunities. Furthermore, in 2009 depositions, two former house managers testified that Maxwell kept photos of young women in sexual acts. ..."
"... Maria Farmer, said in a sworn affidavit that Maxwell and Epstein sexually assaulted her in 1996 while she was working on an art project at the Ohio Mansion of L Brands CEO Les Wexner . ..."
"... Additionally, in 2017, a woman named Sarah Ransome alleged in a lawsuit that Maxwell and Epstein had threatened to physically hurt her or ruin her career were she to refuse to have sex with the pair's clients. Ransome withdrew the suit in December 2018 for reasons that were not made public ..."
"... Sanford L. Bohrer, the Miami Herald 's attorney , has urged the New York appeals court to prioritize unsealing the approximate 2,000 pages of documents related to the 2015 defamation case, as the allegations against Maxwell are "an issue of critical public concern." ..."
"... On July 2 of this year, though, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ordered that some of the aforementioned sealed documents be unsealed. But, predictably, Maxwell would prefer that the 2,000-some documents remain sealed. ..."
They were the glamorous Jeffrey Epstein aides who refused to testify about Prince Andrew's visits to the 'House of Sin'.
Sarah Kellen and Nadia Marchinova both pleaded their right to silence under the US Fifth Amendment when asked if the royal had
sex with teenage girls – earning themselves the nickname the 'blondes who took the Fifth'.
Today, Epstein's former PA Miss Kellen and Miss Marchinova – his on-off girlfriend – have reinvented themselves as Sarah Kensington
and Nadia Marcinko.
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Sarah Kensington - formerly Sarah Kellen - and her racing driver boyfriend Brian Vickers (left) and Nadia Marchinova, who is now
Nadia Marcinko (right)
Miss Kensington, 34, is an interior designer who boasts of renovating corporate apartments in New York, the Caribbean and Paris
– and dating a handsome racing car driver.
Miss Marcinko, 29, is a pilot and the chief executive of Aviloop, a company selling discounted flying lessons.
Intriguingly, they both operate from £1.5million addresses in a Manhattan building majority-owned by Mr Epstein's brother Mark.
Neither woman seems keen to draw attention to their past work for the billionaire paedophile.
Both women were given immunity from prosecution in a controversial deal fixed by Epstein when he was jailed for soliciting prostitution
from underage girls.
Miss Kellen was named as the chief fixer who travelled the world with Epstein and was accused by lawyers in legal filings of 'bringing
girls to Epstein's mansion to be abused'.
Quizzed under oath, she had an opportunity to deny Andrew had sex at the £6million Florida mansion, dubbed the 'House of Sin',
but chose to remain silent.
Citing the Fifth Amendment, Miss Marchinova also declined to say if she had sex with Andrew.
Since those scandal-engulfed days, both women have led dramatically different lives, a Mail investigation has discovered.
Both women were given immunity from prosecution in a controversial deal fixed by Epstein (left and right). He is said to have
gone to huge efforts to cover-up his crimes, promising to 'look after' those who kept quiet +8 <img src="https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/08/2461C72500000578-0-image-a-12_1420680664559.jpg"
height="910" width="634" alt="When quizzed under oath, Ms Kellen had an opportunity to deny Andrew (pictured left with Epstein) had
sex at Epstein's £6million Florida mansion, dubbed the 'House of Sin', but chose to remain silent" />
When quizzed under oath, Ms Kellen had an opportunity to deny Andrew (pictured left with Epstein) had sex at Epstein's £6million
Florida mansion, dubbed the 'House of Sin', but chose to remain silent
Buckingham Palace denies Prince Andrew sex case claim
Miss Kellen moved to Hawaii for a number of years where she married and took her husband's surname Bonk, before taking on her
current identity. On her interior design website, sarahkensington.net, she describes being 'fortunate to say that I've been able
to travel to many locations around the world, which in turn has broadened my designing skills'. She is in a relationship with a successful
Nascar driver, stating on her website that 'most of my fans know that I am Brian Vickers' girlfriend'.
Slovakia-born Miss Marcinko's biography on the Aviloop website now states: 'Over the years, she has proven herself to be a distinguished
entrepreneur'.
Virginia Roberts (pictured) claims in court she was forced to have sex with the Duke of York three times while underage"
Prince
Andrew pictured in 2001 with Virginia Roberts. She is said to be planning a book about her life
She also penned an online blog under the name 'Gulfstream Girl' which more than 77,000 people 'liked', until the company Gulfstream
objected and she changed it to 'Global Girl'.
She described how she started her flight training at Palm Beach Airport before accepting 'an offer from a friend' to obtain her
Gulfstream II pilot rating.
Epstein, 61, is said to have gone to extraordinary efforts to cover-up his vile crimes, promising to 'look after' people who kept
quiet.
His brother Mark told The Guardian newspaper he owned 'the majority of the units in the Manhattan building' and had never heard
of the two women's companies.
The Duke (pictured) fiercely denies any sexual contact with underage girls, while Epstein's lawyer has described the claims as
lies
He said Jeffrey did not own any of the units in the building, adding: 'They're rentals. The ones I own, I rent all of them out.'
It was also claimed yesterday that Epstein intimidated a pregnant journalist by asking where she was due to give birth.
British-born writer Vicky Ward was so afraid of the US financier that she had security put on the intensive care ward where her
premature twins were being treated.
The Cambridge-educated journalist, 45, said he tried to 'control' her when he learned she was writing an in-depth article about
him for Vanity Fair magazine in 2002.
Describing how Epstein 'spooked' her, she said he feared he was 'coming for my little ones' when he asked at which hospital she
was giving birth.
The Duke fiercely denies any sexual contact with underage girls, while Epstein's lawyer has described the claims as lies.
Where Are Jeffrey Epstein's Alleged Accomplices Now?
When prosecutors gave Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart plea deal in 2007, they agreed not
to charge four women allegedly involved in recruiting dozens of underage girls for abuse.
Updated
07.09.19
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Published
07.09.19
4:41AM
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Photo Illustration by The Daily Beast/Photos Getty/YouTube
For decades,
financier Jeffrey Epstein
allegedly abused dozens of underage girls in a sex-trafficking enterprise,
according to a new federal indictment unsealed in the Southern District of New York.
But in order to successfully "create a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit" and
expand his network of possible targets, he relied on the loyalty and organizational skills of his employees,
prosecutors claim.
According to the
14-page indictment
filed in Manhattan federal court on Monday, the 66-year-old hedge-fund
manager/convicted sex offender "worked and conspired with others, including employees and associates" to run
a sex-trafficking enterprise between 2002 and 2005, preying on "dozens" of girls as young as 14 at his
mansions in New York and Palm Beach, Florida.
During each encounter listed in the indictment -- which charges Epstein with one count of sex trafficking
and one count of sex-trafficking conspiracy -- girls were taken to a room to perform "massages" nude or
partially nude before Epstein would escalate the encounter to "include one or more sex acts."
"Epstein typically would also masturbate during these sexualized encounters, ask victims to touch him
while he masturbated, and touch victims' genitals with his hands or with sex toys," the indictment states,
adding the money man knew that the girls were minors.
After the assault, prosecutors allege, Epstein or his associates would pay each girl hundreds of dollars
in cash and often would turn the victim into a recruiter of new girls to abuse.
"In this way, Epstein created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit," the
indictment said. The indictment goes on to detail three anonymous victims and refers to three unnamed
employees who allegedly assisted Epstein in the enterprise, including by making calls to arrange for
"massages" for Epstein.
It's not the first time that Epstein's employees and associates have been accused of helping procure
underage girls for his abuse.
In Epstein's controversial 2008 plea deal in Florida -- which was granted by then-prosecutor and
now-Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta and other DOJ attorneys, without informing the billionaire's alleged
victims -- four women are named as possible accomplices. Epstein's non-prosecution agreement, which sentenced
him to 18 months in prison, also granted immunity to the four women and any other "potential
co-conspirators," identified in the
document
as "including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia
Marcinkova."
"While Epstein was at the head of the international sex trafficking organization, that conspiracy could
not have functioned without many others playing their part," attorney Paul Cassell, who represents multiple
victims of Epstein,
told The Daily Beast after Epstein's arrest on Saturday
. "Jane Doe 1 and 2 will continue to fight for
all of Epstein's co-conspirators to be held accountable in New York, Florida, and anywhere else they
committed crimes."
Details of Epstein's alleged trafficking in Monday's indictment mirror the accounts of scores of underage
women in Florida, who described several "schedulers" who organized his alleged sex sessions and one young
woman, described as Epstein's "sex slave," who would allegedly participate in the abuse while the
billionaire watched.
Sarah Kellen, Epstein's former assistant who allegedly kept a Rolodex of young girls to recruit for her
employer, is now
married
to NASCAR driver Brian Vickers. Along with traveling with her husband, the 39-year-old (who also
goes by the name
Sarah Kensington)
is the owner of an interior-design firm,
SLK Designs
.
"Sarah Kensington makes a living doing what she loves in life, interior design,"
a Facebook page connected to SLK Designs states
. "She is the owner of SLK Designs LLC. and has studies
at several schools including the University of Hawaii and New York School of Interior Design." The
social-media page also details Sarah's interests, which include "fashion, photography, travel, delicious
cuisine, and anything design related."
The page also notes that Sarah "is working with a number of clients on various projects including
renovating several corporate apartments in New York, the Caribbean, and Paris. For the houses that Sarah
manages, she does a number of duties which can involve organizing staff schedules, looking for and
interviewing housekeepers and chefs, purchase and source items that are needed for the household (flatware,
dishes, furniture, art, etc.), design floral arrangements, and interior design."
Epstein also owns homes in New York, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Paris.
According to public records
, SLK Designs once operated from a building in Midtown Manhattan owned by
Epstein's property-manager brother, Mark Epstein. The condominium listed to take SLK Designs deliveries, at
301 E. 66th St., is the same address
where Epstein allegedly rented units
to house
models
.
Though not directly named in Monday's indictment, Kellen has been accused in court documents related to
the Florida case of booking the "massages," often calling girls to ensure they "were available for
encounters" when Epstein would travel to Palm Beach. Several alleged victims in Florida told authorities
they were led to and from the upstairs room in Epstein's mansion by a woman named Sarah, after she lined up
the oils on his massage table. According to
one police report
, Kellen also warned the girls not to talk to authorities about the encounters.
Monday's indictment contains similar allegations about unnamed Epstein employees. "When a victim
initially arrived at the Palm Beach Residence, she would be escorted to a room, sometimes by an employee of
Epstein's, including, at times, two assistants who, as described herein, were also responsible for
scheduling sexual encounters with minor victims," the Monday indictment states.
Kellen, who has properties in North Carolina, New York, and Miami Beach, did not respond to The Daily
Beast's request for comment. A NASCAR spokesperson told The Daily Beast the organization does "not have a
comment" about Kellen's alleged misconduct.
Nadia Marcinkova
Nadia Marcinkova, Epstein's alleged "sex slave" who
was accused of
participating in sexual encounters with underage girls, is now an FAA-certified
commercial pilot and flight instructor. Marcinkova, 33, who was allegedly brought from the former Yugoslavia
to live with Epstein, now goes by the named "
Global
Girl
" on social media, and has changed her last name.
"Global Girl (
Nadia
Marcinko
) spent many years in the international marketing and advertising world as an international
fashion model and spokesperson, with clients including Chanel, Christian Dior, Valentino,
Vogue
and
MTV. After many successful years in the modeling industry, she was ready for longer runways and became a
licensed commercial pilot," her
Facebook account states
, adding that she is an "FAA certified flight instructor and Gulfstream II, III &
IV pilot."
Marcinkova also is the founder and CEO of Aviloop, a website selling discounted flying lessons and other
deals related to aviation. Since 2011, Aviloop provides a slew of services, including designing custom pilot
team and "organizing team building events." As with Kellen, the aviation company is
registered
at the building once owned by Mark Epstein and allegedly used as a model clubhouse by his
brother.
Though Marcinkova originally started calling herself "Gulfstream Girl," she was sued in 2013 by
Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. for trademark infringement. On Jan. 6, 2014, the lawsuit filed in a New York
Southern District court was settled after Marcinko changed her online name to Global Girl.
According to
written testimony by several alleged victims
, Marcinkova is described as having "encouraged and engaged
in sexual acts" with young girls while Epstein watched. According to police, Epstein told one victim
Marcinkova was his "sex slave" and that he'd purchased her from her family in the former Yugoslavia when she
was 15. Marcinkova is not directly named in Monday's indictment.
Marcinkova, who lives in New York, did not immediately respond to The Daily Beast's request for comment.
Adriana Ross
Adriana Ross, a former model from Poland who allegedly helped organize Epstein's predatory sessions,
moved to Florida in 2002 and was hired to work at the financier's mansion. Ross, who often went by Adriana
Mucinska and is not directly named in Monday's indictment, also frequently flew on Epstein's
private jet alongside Bill Clinton
, according to flight records.
Along with her fellow alleged co-conspirators, Ross was questioned in 2010 about whether Britain's Prince
Andrew participated in Epstein's alleged sex enterprise. Refusing to answer questions about the inner
workings of the alleged scheme, Ross repeatedly invoked her Fifth Amendment rights,
according to previous reports
. As previously reported by The Daily Beast, Ross also lived at the East
66th Street building in Manhattan.
Ross' current profession or address was not immediately clear and she could not be reached for comment.
Lesley Groff
Lesley Groff
was another Epstein assistant who allegedly coordinated travel for young girls, often calling to schedule
"massages." Though not directly named in Monday's indictment, the 51-year-old has been previously named as
one of Epstein's three female assistants. According to a
2005
Chicago Tribune
story about executive-assistant pay
, Epstein divulged his assistants made
about $200,000.
"They are an extension of my brain. Their intuition is something that I don't have," Epstein told the
Tribune
. According to public records, Groff currently lives in Connecticut and did not respond to The
Daily Beast's request for comment.
Without a doubt, the absolutely raunchiest part of the Epstein affadavit stars a mysterious young woman named "Nada Marcinkova."
Lesbian strap-on raunchiness, ending in something that sounds to us a little bit like rape. We get all the details but no explanation
of who Marcinkova is or what her relationship with Epstein was.
She's not one of his high school victims, and doesn't seem to have talked to the police. But it somehow seems fitting that this
mysterious money manager to the billionaires would have an unknown Czech sex puppet lying around somewhere.
Gawker identified her in a
NY Social Diary photo
where Nadia (far left) is palling around with Epstein's pimp assistant Sarah Kellen (right).
Here she looks very respectable. Not at all like the "large rubber penis" wielding girl we know from the affadavit. Surely there's
a more representative photo.
Of course there is. After the jump, check out Nadia looking a little more, uhm, severe, sexy and ready to get it on. And we'll
throw in the raunchy portion of the affadavit below for your, uhm, reading pleasure.
[Note: Nadia, of course, couldn't be reached to confirm that this is her. But we're pretty sure it is.] Here's the relevant part
of the affidavit.
[Annoying redacting ink blot covering up girl's name] advised that things escalated within the home as Epstein would instruct
and pay [ink blot] to have intercourse with his female friend, Nada Marcinkova.
[Ink blot] explained the intercourse included strap on dildos, large rubber penis' [sic] and other devices that Epstein had
at his disposal. Epstein would watch them have intercourse and masturbate himself. Occasionally, Epstein would then join in during
the female on female intercourse and provide oral sex to both [ink blot] and Marcinkova.
This occured during the time [ink blot] was sixteen years of age.
[Ink blot] advised that this continued to escalate during two years. The routine became familiar to [ink blot]. Epstein's assistant
Sarah [Kellen] would telephone her every time Epstein was in the Town of Palm Beach and would place appointments for her to visit
and work for Epstein.
[... Ink blot] stated during one visit to Epstein's house in which she provided a massage to Epstein, his female friend, Nada
Marcinkova, was also present. [Ink blot] provided the massage in which Marcinkova and her would fondle each others breasts and
kiss for Epstein to enjoy. Towards the end of this massage, Epstein grabbed [ink blot] and turned her over onto her stomach on
the massage table and forcible insterted his penis into her vagina.
[Ink blot] became upset over this. She said her head was being held against the table forcibly, as he continued to pump inside
her. She screamed "No!" and Epstein stopped. She told him that she did not want to have his penis inside of her. Epstein did not
ejaculate inside of her and apologized for his actions and subsequently paid her a thousand dollars for that visit.
[Ink blot] stated she knows he still displays her photographs throughout the house.
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is ..."
"... You're overspecializing. Epstein, like all of the characters in the Mueller mess, is an international fixer and blackmailer. All of these dudes work for EVERY nation and mob at one time or another, and betray EVERY nation and mob at other times. Israel is just one of the nations that hire these creatures. The only difference is that the fixers are less likely to betray Israel. Mossad is more serious and competent than MI6 or CIA. ..."
"... I suggest that everyone half intelligent exercise some common sense when it comes to Epstein. Only an (anti-Israel) idiot believes that Epstein/Mossad were running blackmail operations for years with American intelligence cowed into turning a blind eye. ..."
"... While it will certainly be a hard row to hoe due to many factors, not the least of which is that the Zionists have taken the long-view on many matters and this approach has given them the upper hand, it is imperative for the prosperity and well-being of the non-Zionist U.S. citizens. ..."
"... By the way, amid all this Maxwell=Mossad business, both Maxwell and Trump procured their opulent yachting yachts from the Khashoggi brothers. And Khashoggi, whoever else he works for, is a big skin on the wall at CIA... ..."
Some journalists in the Jewish media are
starting to complain that President Donald Trump is "loving Israel" just a little too much
since he keeps citing his concern for the Jewish state as the driving force behind some of his
erratic behavior. It is a viewpoint that I most definitely share, though I would describe the
apparent White House lovefest with the Israel as a "lot too much." When the President of the
United States calls a congresswoman an anti-Semite and
demands that she apologize to him personally and also to Israel it is definitely a lot too
much.
So Israel is always in the news, or so it seems, though it is often not in the news when the
story might be derogatory. The story disappears from sight as soon as it is determined that
Israel might be involved, as is currently the case with Jeffrey Epstein, or Israeli activity is
excised completely as was the case with the Mueller investigation where Russiagate should have
really been called Israelgate as it was Israel that was seeking favors from the incoming Trump
Administration, not Russia. As Noam Chomsky
put it , Israeli interference in American politics "vastly overwhelms" anything Russia has
done.
I have recently written about how the Jewish state works hard to brainwash the American
people and limit the foreign policy options of the U.S. government, to include aggressive
efforts to obtain what the intelligence agencies would call "agents of influence." Agents
of influence live and work in one country while simultaneously and treacherously advancing the
interests of another nation. It is what George Washington warned about in his Farewell Address
when he counseled "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe
me, fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history
and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican
government."
Foreign influence as a potential national security threat is also a status defined in legal
terms by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938 (FARA), which requires anyone working on
behalf of a foreign government to register and make transparent sources of income.
Uniquely, no foundation or individual working in America to advance the interests of the
Jewish state has ever been required to register under FARA even though many, like the odious
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), boast unambiguously on their websites that they are "America's pro-Israel Lobby."
Many of the foundations are regarded as educational or charitable 501(c)3 tax exempt
non-profits, which means the U.S. taxpayer is helping support their activity. But being a
non-profit charity does not necessarily mean austerity, as the salaries of top employees are
generous. Canadian Jew Mark Dubowitz of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), a
501(c)3, is paid $560,000 in salary and benefits. FDD has for many years been calling for war
against Iran.
The most recent foundation being set up by Israel's friends to promote the interests of the
Jewish state is the Edmund Burke Foundation, which hosted a conference on "Nationalism" last
week. The conference was interesting in that the Burke Foundation is headed by an Israeli and an
American Jew who has served as Executive Director of the Christians United For Israel (CUFI).
The event was held at the Washington D.C. Ritz-Carlton, suggesting that the Burkeans are not
short of cash. Pro-Israel groups always seem to have plenty of Benjamins.
A number of traditional conservatives and even some organizations were
fooled by the promotional material and speakers' list into thinking that the program was
legitimate and would focus on supporting national interests as well as foreign policy
restraint, but some at least had their eyes opened when John Bolton, as featured speaker, was
vigorously applauded by at least half of the audience .
Some potential critics of the agenda were not invited or even
deliberately
denied tickets to limit dissent, and several attendees were appalled by what they had
witnessed, which was essentially an affirmation of status quo foreign policy, to the benefit
of the hawks in Washington and Israel. Inevitably, some delusional dimwits were unable to
understand that they were being used and were oddly entranced by what they were seeing and hearing . And don't
worry if you are among those who missed the event. It will probably be replayed in a few months
under a different name and with a slightly different cast of characters.
The most visible Israeli tool for generating contacts with Americans that might prove useful
is the all- expenses-paid VIP junkets that are arranged for Congressmen. New Congressmen
routinely travel to Israel for a dog-and-pony show within months of their taking office. One of
Congress's leading cheerleaders for Israel, Maryland's Steny Hoyer has visited the Jewish state
many times and can be relied on
to pressure freshman congressmen to make the trip. Other Americans who might be influential in
the future are also feted by the Israeli hospitality machine. American military cadets from the
service academies and colleges are now being brought to Israel to
learn a fictional version of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Undoubtedly, some of them are
set up for intelligence approaches after they are commissioned.
Which brings us to the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein story and how it is being handled by
government and covered in the media since the story exploded two weeks ago. No one outside the
alternative media seems to be interested in the possibility, or rather likelihood, that Epstein
was working for a foreign intelligence service, which would most likely be Israel. In the media
the Epstein story died almost immediately, submerged in the tale of Donald Trump telling
several congresswomen to go back where they came from.
It is unlikely that the spying aspect of Epstein's alleged crimes will even be investigated
both because it involves the Jewish state and also becomes it appears to include participation
by leading politicians from both parties and other public figures. The Deep State will make the
story die, which just might also be what happens to Epstein in jail.
The evidence that Epstein was involved in intelligence work most likely bribing or
blackmailing prominent individuals to act on behalf of Israel, derives both from the statement
made by former U.S. Attorney for Miami Alexander Acosta
that "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone" and from other
external evidence. Epstein was making videos of his guests having sex with his young girls,
which is a version of a classic intelligence entrapment technique referred to as a "honey trap"
that is employed by every major spy agency worldwide. And the Acosta quote – will it ever
be fully investigated? Who told him that Epstein was "intelligence" and what were the
circumstances?
Jeffrey's sources of income have also been questioned. Epstein's sole identified business
connection was Ohio billionaire Les Wexner, who maintained very close ties to the upper echelons of the
Israeli diplomatic and intelligence establishment .
Epstein served as Wexner's trustee when the latter was forming the Mega Group, created by
Wexner and Edgar Bronfman to generate positive views of Israel as a
cover for Israeli propaganda dissemination in America.
Epstein's lack of an identifiable income stream rather suggests that he might have been
supported by a government agency of some kind. He had hidden in his Manhattan house a great
deal of cash, diamonds and an Austrian passport. The diamonds might have represented payment in
kind from Israel, which is capital of the world diamond trade, and the existence of the
passport is intriguing. It has been described in the media as "fake" but that can mean
anything. The passport, dating from the 1980s, was
apparently authentic with a photo of Epstein and a fake name inserted in it, but it might
plausibly be the product of a government document forgery lab. Why Austria? Because Austria was
at the time politically neutral and the passport would be a good one for traveling anywhere. It
would be much preferred by spy agencies or by agents who wanted to travel anonymously.
That Epstein would be linked to Israel rather than to some other intelligence service is due
to his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell ,
whose father Robert, a Czech Jew who became a naturalized British citizen, was believed by
C.I.A. and other intelligence services to be a long-time agent of Mossad. After he died under
mysterious circumstances, he was given a state funeral in Israel that was attended by every
current and former head of the Jewish state's intelligence service as well as by the country's
prime minister Yitzhak Shamir. Ghislaine was reportedly Epstein's close friend and a procurer
of his young girl victims.
As most of Israel's agents of influence are now on Martha's Vineyard where they gather in
July and August, it would be wonderful to cut off all transportation and communication with the
island and leave them there, but that would be unfair to the genuine year-round residents.
Alternatively, I would be happy just to see Israel's dire influence over the United States
exposed by the media and discussed in public fora by the more than 20 Democratic Party
presidential wannabes. As that is not likely to happen, I would settle for a real honest-to-God
investigation of Epstein and what he was doing coupled with a move by the Treasury and Justice
departments against all the hundreds of pro-Israel groups that have never registered under
FARA. It's a big job to uncover Israeli subversion, but somebody needs to start doing it.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that
seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is
councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its
email is[email protected]
I would settle for a real honest-to-God investigation of Epstein
Dershowitz "would publish an online essay preemptively attacking Bruck's (Connie)
unpublished article and accusing New Yorker editor David Remnick of ordering up a "hit
piece" aimed at "silencing my defense of President Trump , Prime Minister
Netanyahu , and the State of Israel ." (Remnick declined to comment.)
Rice,NYM 7/19
Dersh' is claiming this forthcoming Bruck piece -in particular- will do permanent damage
to his career. We can only hope it will be that effective. Yes, forces are out there trying
to quash investigations.
I think there will be some significant efforts to do the job that many had badly fell
short on. But there should be much more. Like 60 Mins and Frontline to name
two. As for the prosecutors, that question has to be answered too. This is a very big story.
As serious as the crimes against the young girls are, the Epstein case is about much
more.
Are you kidding? The truth will never come out. You were supposedly a counterintelligence
expert at the CIA? Epstein's links to Maxwell, Israel, the Mossad, MI5 and the USA's own CIA
are so blatant that Acosta was told that he was part of the Intelligence Network and to leave
him alone. All Jewish organizations (they do not have to register as lobbying groups) are
nothing more that money launders for various illegal Jewish activities and form pathways for
Jews to do anything they want in America.
Yeah. Vanity Fair is reporting that some "prominent Republicans" believe that Epstein is a
Mossad agent. And so it begins. The Narrative: the only people that believe THAT tinfoil hat
blood libel about Epstein-Israel are the Nazi Alt-right-wingers. It's basically the Birthers
all over again. Nothing to see here. Move along.
You're overspecializing. Epstein, like all of the characters in the Mueller mess, is an
international fixer and blackmailer. All of these dudes work for EVERY nation and mob at one
time or another, and betray EVERY nation and mob at other times. Israel is just one of the
nations that hire these creatures. The only difference is that the fixers are less likely to
betray Israel. Mossad is more serious and competent than MI6 or CIA.
Thank you, Philip Giraldi, for an important and insightful article.
Another major hurdle blocking a genuine investigation of Israeli influence and its
highly-paid and deeply-embedded agents of influence, is that Israel just happens to have
'friends' at all levels of elite American media. Israelis and crypto-Israelis dominate
America's Fourth Estate.
Pro-Israel infiltration of US news institutions, social media organs, search engines, and
entertainment media cannot be overestimated. Yet it's ignored. Deliberately. Certain facts
may not be noticed.
But it is a fact that hard-core Zionists own/manage/influence most American news and
entertainment media; from Hollywood to Chicago to DC to NYC–and most everything in
between.
In the rare instance when an independent news outlet does do its job and pursues a story
that upsets organized Jewry, it is commonly met with threats of boycott (economic warfare)
and/or Zionist-friendly lawsuits ('lawfare'). As Gilad Atzmon has noted (I paraphrase):
'Jewish power is the power to make unacceptable the close examination of Jewish power'.
Isn't the main problem double citizenship, the rotten US empire has enforced all over its
vassal states?
You can't serve two masters, double citizenship has to be removed.
Giraldi appears to be speaking truth to (Jewish) power but don't believe it.
It ain't coincidental that he's engaged in this distracting arm-waving, mentioning the
previously obscure and notoriously unenforced FARA twice.
the DOJ National Security Division, intentionally never prosecuted for FARA violations
because they used the appearance of FARA violations to get FISA electronic surveillance
warrants against any DC entity they wanted to watch.
I suggest that everyone half intelligent exercise some common sense when it comes to
Epstein. Only an (anti-Israel) idiot believes that Epstein/Mossad were running blackmail
operations for years with American intelligence cowed into turning a blind eye.
It's positively depressing to see Giraldi, someone I thought honorable, deployed to
distract attention from seditious filth like Brennan. Will Giraldi even mention his name
anymore? I half expect Giraldi one of these days to tell us Brennan et. al. "were keeping us
safe." Which is why Epstein and Mossad were molesting minors right under their honorable
noses.
Am I the only one (mostly) noting the pitch perfect similarity of Epstein to the Dennis
Hastert scandal 13 years ago?
I encourage you to continue to write pieces exposing the Israeli connection to much of
what ails us here in the U.S. (and the rest of the world, too).
While it will certainly be a hard row to hoe due to many factors, not the least of which
is that the Zionists have taken the long-view on many matters and this approach has given
them the upper hand, it is imperative for the prosperity and well-being of the non-Zionist
U.S. citizens.
As an aside, when I hear our rulers utter the phrase "National Security" I have to wonder
which nations security they are referring to because it sure doesn't seem to be mine.
By the way, amid all this Maxwell=Mossad business, both Maxwell and Trump procured their
opulent yachting yachts from the Khashoggi brothers. And Khashoggi, whoever else he works
for, is a big skin on the wall at CIA...
Jeffrey Epstein's Nadia, who learnt to fly at the same Mossad-linked airfield as the
Hebrew-speaking Mohamed Atta.
What links Jeffrey Epstein to 9 11 and to Mossad?
The mainstream media is so thoroughly controlled by Mossad and its friends that the general
public is unlikely to find out.
Virginia Roberts became Jeffrey Epstein's sex slave in 1999.
Epstein's Black Book lists a number of people whom Mossad and its friends may have wanted
to blackmail and control prior to the events of 9 11 .
Jeffrey Epstein's girl Nadia Marcinko/Marcinkova (above) learned to fly at Florida's Lantana Airport at about
the same time as the Hebrew-speaking Mohammad Atta, who is thought to have been a Mossad agent.
A FOIA of the Palm Beach Sheriff's Office work-release and visitor logs for the financier
turned up some troubling inconsistencies.
Jeffrey
Epstein 's lenient 2008 conviction for his sexual assaults on adolescent girls may be
described as one of the greatest travesties of justice in recent history. Brad Edwards, an
attorney for many of Epstein's victims,
announced last week that Epstein continued to prey on young women while serving his
sentence in Palm Beach. Unlike other sex offenders in Florida, Epstein had his own wing of the
Palm Beach County jail and liberal work-release policies. Due to this new information, the
Miami Herald reported, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office (PBSO) has suddenly opened
an internal-affairs
investigation of Epstein's incarceration.
As part of my research on the Epstein case, I sent an FOIA request earlier this summer to
the PBSO concerning Jeffrey Epstein (inmate No. W35755). I asked for two records: Work-Release
List entries and the Visitor Information Log. Six days later, I received an email requesting
that I phone to clarify my request. I thought this was strange because "Work-Release List" and
"Visitor Information Log" are the exact names of documents that I already knew the PBSO
maintained.
The officer I spoke to on the phone seemed reluctant to provide the records. He intimated
that they were for an older inmate and probably not kept. When I pressed him, he then described
the records as possibly hand-written and difficult to obtain. It seemed as if there might be no
records, but then inexplicably, several days later, an email with three PDF attachments arrived
in my inbox.
The Palm Beach Sheriff's Office sent me 149 pages of "Work Release" sign-in sheets in two
"batches." Additionally, they returned a single-page Visitor Log. (However, I already had other
Visitor Logs for Epstein from other sources, which suggests they did not release all the
records to me.) Many of the Work Release forms were duplicates and not 149 separate records for
each of his work-release days. If someone did not comb through each page carefully, they might
falsely believe all the relevant records were provided.
Another document I obtained (separately from this FOIA) was of a fax sent by the PBSO (Media
Relations division) that contained work-release sign-in/sign-out sheets for 10 days in July
2009, plus "Extra Duty" records for several days when Palm Beach Sheriff's officers provided
private security for Jeffrey Epstein. The documents in this fax were not included in the
response to my FOIA request.
In total, the records I assembled contained 77 actual days of Jeffrey Epstein's work
release from October 2008 through July 2009. The top of the form identifies it as a "Work
Release Log," the day of the week, and the date. Below is the name of the prisoner (Jeffrey
Epstein) with his sign-out time (8 a.m. or 10 a.m.) and his sign-in time for when he returns
from work. Both the sheriff's deputy and Epstein were required to sign separately each day when
he left and when he returned.
"... Two women questioned about Prince Andrew in 2010, operating businesses from New York property years after appearing to have left Epstein's entourage ..."
"... Sarah Kellen and Nada Marcinkova, questioned by lawyers about whether Prince Andrew had any involvement in Epstein's abuse, have reinvented themselves as Sarah Kensington and Nadia Marcinko. Photograph: the guardian Two of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged accomplices are running businesses from a Manhattan property linked to the wealthy sex offender under new identities, years after appearing to have left his scandal-plagued entourage. ..."
"... Virginia Roberts, who has long claimed that she was Epstein's "sex slave", alleged in a US court filing last week that she was forced to have sexual relations with Andrew. The prince vehemently denies the allegation against him and is under intense pressure to fully account for his friendship with Epstein. ..."
"... Kellen was accused by lawyers in legal filings of "bringing girls to Epstein's mansion to be abused". According to police files, a series alleged victims of Epstein told investigators that they were led to a massage room in Epstein's mansion in Palm Beach, Florida, by a woman named Sarah. ..."
"... One alleged victim claimed to police that she was told Marcinkova had been bought from her parents in eastern Europe by Epstein when she was 15, according to detectives. One alleged that she was made to have sex with Marcinkova and to watch her have sex with Epstein. ..."
"... Sarah Kellen, now Kensington, with boyfriend Brian Vickers. Kellen was accused by lawyers in legal filings of 'bringing girls to Epstein's mansion to be abused'. ..."
"... Attorneys for Epstein did not respond to an email asking whether Epstein had assisted his former associates in any way in securing their new identities, establishing their businesses or in maintaining the property. ..."
"... Marcinkova and Kellen did not respond on Tuesday to telephone calls, voicemails, emails and text messages seeking comment. Attorneys who represented them when they were questioned in 2010 did not respond to queries about whether they still spoke for the women. ..."
Sarah Kellen and Nada Marcinkova, questioned by lawyers about whether
Prince Andrew had any involvement in Epstein's abuse, have reinvented themselves as Sarah Kensington and Nadia Marcinko. Photograph:
the guardian Two of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged accomplices are running businesses from a Manhattan property linked to the wealthy
sex offender under new identities, years after appearing to have left his scandal-plagued entourage.
Nada Marcinkova and Sarah Kellen, who were questioned by lawyers about whether Prince Andrew had any involvement in Epstein's
abuse of underage girls, have since reinvented themselves as Nadia Marcinko and Sarah Kensington.
Marcinkova, 29, is now a pilot and the chief executive of Aviloop, a website selling discounted flying lessons and other deals
related to aviation. Kellen, 34, states that she is the owner of SLK Designs, a renovations firm.
However according to public records, both businesses have operated from addresses in a building on East 66th Street in Manhattan
majority-owned by Epstein's brother Mark, a wealthy property magnate. Two condominiums in the building sold last year for $2.5m and
$1.85m.
Nada Marcinkova, left and Sarah Kellen, second from right. Via
newyorksocialdiary.com
Photograph: newyorksocialdiary.com
Marcinkova's company is officially registered with New
York authorities at the building. Import records show that Kellen's company takes deliveries there.
Jeffrey Epstein , a friend of Andrew's who was
jailed in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from a minor, was accused in 2011 court documents of using the building to house young
women. Several rented condominiums in the building have been lived in by Epstein associates, according to public records.
Mark Epstein said in a brief telephone interview on Tuesday: "I own the majority of the units in the building, but I've never
heard of those companies," referring to the firms run by Marcinkova and Kellen.
Virginia Roberts, who has long claimed that she was Epstein's "sex slave", alleged in a US court filing last week that she was
forced to have sexual relations with Andrew. The
prince vehemently
denies the allegation against him and is under intense pressure to fully account for his friendship with Epstein.
Marcinkova and Kellen were among four named Epstein associates identified by US government prosecutors as "potential co-conspirators"
who would avoid charges under the controversial plea deal Epstein struck in 2007, which saw him serve just over year in jail for
his offences.
The two women both cited their right under the US constitution to avoid incriminating themselves when they were asked a series
of questions by lawyers for alleged victims of Epstein under oath in 2010 – including whether underaged girls were forced to have
sex with Andrew.
Kellen was accused by lawyers in legal filings of "bringing girls to Epstein's mansion to be abused". According to police files,
a series alleged victims of Epstein told investigators that they were led to a massage room in Epstein's mansion in Palm Beach, Florida,
by a woman named Sarah.
One alleged victim claimed to police that she was told Marcinkova had been bought from her parents in eastern Europe by Epstein
when she was 15, according to detectives. One alleged that she was made to have sex with Marcinkova and to watch her have sex with
Epstein.
Marcinkova's biography on the Aviloop website now states: "Over the years, she has proven herself to be a distinguished entrepreneur".
In addition to carrying out international design work, Kellen is in a relationship with a successful Nascar driver, stating on her
website that "most of my fans know that I am Brian Vickers' girlfriend".
Sarah Kellen, now Kensington, with boyfriend Brian Vickers. Kellen was accused by lawyers in legal filings of 'bringing girls to
Epstein's mansion to be abused'.
The domains for both websites are registered through the same Arizona-based service that allows the identities and contact details
of the website owner to be shielded from public view.
Attorneys for Epstein did not respond to an email asking whether Epstein had assisted his former associates in any way in securing
their new identities, establishing their businesses or in maintaining the property.
Marcinkova and Kellen did not respond on Tuesday to telephone calls, voicemails, emails and text messages seeking comment. Attorneys
who represented them when they were questioned in 2010 did not respond to queries about whether they still spoke for the women.
Mark Epstein said that his brother did not own any of the units in the building. Asked how it came to be that associates of his
brother lived in the building, Mark Epstein said: "They're rentals. The ones I own, I rent all of them out." Asked whether he owned
the units where associates of his brother lived or registered businesses, Mark Epstein said: "I don't know, and even if I knew, that's
not information I'm giving you."
"I don't keep track, I've owned them for 20-something-odd years and I don't know," Mark Epstein said, when asked if he owned a
unit that according to public records Kellen once used. "There's only a few people I know who live there, such as friends," he said.
Fisten, a 30-year law enforcement veteran, said he was shocked and disgusted by what he
uncovered. In a
wide-ranging interview with CNN , the P.I. said that he was able to identify two young
women who have arranged access to girls for Epstein in recent years. He and Edwards have handed
over the names and "associated information" over to federal authorities, he said, though he did
not name the alleged fixers to CNN.
Fisten also said that his investigations led to the discovery of countless lapses in
security during the time Epstein was on work release from the Palm Beach county jail -- in a
cushy deal that allowed the convicted sex offender out of confinement 12 hours a day, six days
a week. On Friday, the Palm Beach sheriff's office announced that it had
opened its own internal investigation into whether deputies, who often referred to Epstein
as a "client" instead of an inmate in logs kept at the sheriff's office, had broken with
procedure.
Fisten told CNN that he was angered that Epstein was allowed to go to a luxury office
instead of remaining behind bars. Fisten said he was disgusted when he saw "lavish lunches
being brought into the office and a parade of young females going in and out of the place."
The Palm Beach sheriff's office now admits that Epstein was also allowed to go to his luxury
mansion and spend time there unsupervised.
Fisten tried to obtain the sheriff's office logs that should have documented the names and
ages of everyone who came into contact with Epstein during work release, but the logs "have
inexplicably vanished," he said to CNN.
"We wanted to get those logs so we could see who the girls were," Fisten said. "They're
missing. No one knows where they are."
Fisten also repeated previous claims that Epstein wielded his power to silence his accusers
during and after his incarceration, even hiring his own private investigators who were paid to
harass his victims. "They were former Miami cops," Fisten told CNN. "He paid an extremely large
retainer to them and all their job to do was to follow the girls around and intimidate
them."
Fisten even ran into Epstein's private investigators first hand. Once, when driving
one of Epstein's accusers home, he told CNN he saw one of Epstein's detectives parked across
from her house filming her comings and goings. Fisten said the father of another of Epstein's
accusers was "run off the road" by one of the former cops in Epstein's employ.
Of Epstein's alleged victims, Fisten noted, "Once these girls lost their braces and their
pubescent look and started becoming 16-years old or 17-years old, they were too old for
him."
"So then he started using them as recruiters to bring the younger girls."
Epstein was
denied bail on Thursday as he faces federal sex
trafficking charges in New York. Fisten says the victims finally feel that justice could be
served. "They couldn't be happier," he told CNN. "It's all they ever wanted."
So
rumors are now circulating that there will be a sordid if not downright horrific
Epstein-Weiner-Clinton revelation in the coming days that will finally bring down the Clintons.
Perhaps the powers behind the scenes have decided it's time to get rid of this toxic bitch.
Apropos to that, I've been looking into this Epstein character. His lawyer and best friend
is Allan Dershowitz (Dersh, under suspicion himself, now claims they were never close, despite
previous statements).
Epstein's black book contains the personal phone numbers of several former Israeli prime
ministers.
When Epstein was arrested the rumor in NY was that he was going to flee to Israel.
The pre-scandal vanity fair article expresses puzzlement over how Epstein built his fortune
(the "hedge fund manager" title may be a cover). A huge fortune it is: he lives in the most
expensive apartment in NY -- eight floors.
J. Epstein Company was set up via a 1 billion grant from Victoria's Secret owner Leslie
Wexner, who's father Harry Wexner (changed from Hagan Wexelstein) was a secretive
billionaire.
Epstein's other partner in crime was Ghislane Maxwell, the daughter of a notorious Mossad
agent named Robert Maxwell.
When Epstein was busted he was given the sweetheart deal of a lifetime.
Hidden cameras were found throughout his Florida home. Presumably hidden cameras were/are
also present on the "lolita express" (on which Bill took two dozen flights) and "sin
island."
The entranceway to his NY apartment is decorated with glass eyeballs -- an inside joke about
the cameras behind the walls?
This seems pretty cut and dried to me: Epstein was recruited by Mossad to run a honey pot
operation in order to ensnare and blackmail US and international elites. The bait was underage
girls ("forbidden fruit") and possibly even children, given the frequent trips to Thailand
etc.
Hillary Clinton should be barred from office on the grounds that she is blackmailable by the
Israelis. We might as well be electing Netanyahu to the White House. Perhaps this is an open
secret. Hillary's top five donors are Zionists.
Oddly, Epstein has claimed that he "helped found" the Clinton Foundation. Was he just
bragging about his relationship with Bill? Or could the CF itself be involved in trafficking
child sex slaves?
Like lone_geek says - if he's not Mossad, he's part of something . I knew about the
Wexner connection, but not Harry Wexner/Hagan Wexelstein (isn't that one of the villains in
Frozen?).
See - Safari Club -- a 1974 group of multiple intelligence agencies formed after the Church
Committee investigations. Formed specifically to bypass over-site / legal considerations from
governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club --
You have a parallel intelligence service operating outside the knowledge of the official
intelligence services. Now posit that this parallel intelligence service never shut down,
they just went corporate. If you're a part of a company you could have company "offices" all
over the globe, your travel would not be scrutinized, etc.
Whether Mossad or something else, I'm on board with all you've written. Only question is WHO
he was working for. The Ghislane Maxwell connection is telling, though.
Right - however is Ghislane Maxwell working for the "official Mossad" or the "unofficial
Mossad" -- or a shell company that works as a cut-out for either of the official or
unofficial groups.
Exactly. I was just banned from another board today for posting the same thing.
Every single politician who spent time partying with Epstein should be removed from
office. We have to assume that each one represents a security threat.
Yes, I've thought Epstein, Monica Lewinsky, the new Congressman junkets to Israel, the
israelis caught with foreign passports, are all Mossad gathering blackmail evidence to
control our leaders. "Through deception thou shalt do war."
"... What Epstein has been up to is so obscene that it is now toxic to be associated with him. Everyone who claimed to be his friend are now running a mile from him. ..."
"... But what if it is revealed that he had created this cesspool at the direction of Israel i.e. that the main motivation for this honey-pot was to provide Israel with blackmail material. ..."
"... If that happened then a politician would run a mile at the mere sight of a lobby bag-man, because to be associated with them is to be tarred in a way that no amount of money could ever overcome. ..."
"... I am certain that there are still honest people in the US intelligence community, and I would bet very good money that they are looking very closely at this as a chance to stab the Israel lobby through the heart with a wooden stake. ..."
The thing I find most intriguing about the Epstein affair is possibility that it provides a
"hook" for the US intelligence community to really go after the Israeli lobby.
After all, going up against the *money* of the lobby is a forlorn hope - there is no way
to fight them on that battlefield.
But this? No, this is different.
What Epstein has been up to is so obscene that it is now toxic to be associated with
him. Everyone who claimed to be his friend are now running a mile from him.
But what if it is revealed that he had created this cesspool at the direction of Israel
i.e. that the main motivation for this honey-pot was to provide Israel with blackmail
material.
If that happened then a politician would run a mile at the mere sight of a lobby
bag-man, because to be associated with them is to be tarred in a way that no amount of
money could ever overcome.
I am certain that there are still honest people in the US intelligence community, and I
would bet very good money that they are looking very closely at this as a chance to stab
the Israel lobby through the heart with a wooden stake.
Jeffrey Epstein's Private Pilot Dishes On All The Famous Men Who Flew On The Lolita
Express Photo: Getty Leah
Scher Editor Entertainment And News July 21, 2019 He
was Epstein's main pilot for the past two decades.
Meet Larry Visoski, the pilot of the Lolita Express, Jeffrey Epstein's private fleet of
planes. For the past 20 years, Visoski (or Capt Big Dawg, as Instagram affectionately knows
him) has flown Epstein around the world, including the trips that shuttled underage girls
between his two mansions in New York and Palm Beach. Recently, photos of the luxury aircrafts'
updated interior were released, bringing Visoski to prominence and shedding light on Epstein's
jet-setting travels. What is there to know about this man? Who is Larry Visoski?
1. Visoski has shuttled celebs
like President Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker
Most notably, Visoski flew Epstein's 50-year-old 727 jetliner, n
icknamed the Lolita Express , which is worth $80M! The 727-31 aircraft, tag number N908JE,
was repainted on the outside from it's early silver and black color. Today it's all white with
thin stripes. Visoski still flies two of Epstein's private planes, as well as a helicopter. One
Instagram friend of his asked how long he's been flying 727s and he replied, "Flying the three
wholer (sic) about 14 years now, includes three times around the world, she's got the
room!"
2. The luxury aircraft, which was built in 1969,
was modernized around 2014
The updated interior features a circular lounge with recessed lighting,
comfy plush beige chairs , and a spacious bedroom with an open closet. In another room that
looks like an office, an Apple laptop and iPad sit on a desk surrounded by red velvet chairs
and a sofa. In the kitchen area, photos show a blender, coffee machine, sandwich grill, oven
and microwave.
3. This aircraft has allegedly shuttled Epstein's underage victims
In 2015, Virginia Roberts filed a lawsuit against the billionaire claiming that he recruited
her as a sex slave when she was 15. She says he sexually abused her for years on his private
jet as well as in his various homes in New York, New Mexico, Florida, and the U.S. Virgin
Islands. According to FAA records, the aircraft was registered to JEGE INC, Epstein's Delaware
firm. As of 2018, the registration was still active. However, a more recent report showed that
Epstein sold the aircraft weeks before his July 6 arrest. Visoski has not been accused of any
role in Epstein's crimes.
4. The 727 is often referred to as a "three holer"
because of its three engines clustered around the tail
The aircraft's full name is actually Boeing 727. It's a narrow, three-engined vehicle built
by Boeing Commercial Airplanes from the early 1960s to 1980s. A combination of comments made
and photos taken by Visoski show repeated trips to many locations between 2014 and 2019, such
as: St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands; the Exuma chain and Eleuthera in the Bahamas; St.
Bart's in the Caribbean; Seattle, Washington; Manhattan Beach, California; Paris, France;
Germany; San Juan, Puerto Rico; Albuquerque, New Mexico; and Cabo San Lucas in Mexico. The
Washington Examiner also notes a trip to Dubai and Abu Dhabi that isn't
photographed.
5. Visoski, an avid photographer, used a GoPro to capture some shots of the
aircraft
In addition to the Boeing 757, some of Visoski's
now deleted Instagram captions specifically mention a Gulfstream 550 and a Bell 430
helicopter. According to the Washington Examiner , the post that (likely) spurred
Visoski to delete his Instagram account was a selfie he posted in late 2016, with then-top
Trump presidential transition team member and now counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway,
at Palm Beach International Airport, which drew attention on Twitter earlier this week. Some of
his captions included #MAGA hashtags. He described Conway as "a very Humble and gracious Lady,
#kellyanneconway #kellyanne #trump #election2016."
6. Epstein was deemed a flight risk by a federal
judge (pun intended).
The federal judge presiding over Epstein's case denied him bail,
agreeing with prosecutors that "the seriousness of his crimes, his mysterious wealth,
international travel, and possession of a foreign passport with a fake name from the 1980s make
him a threat to the community."
What do you think? Is Visoski is totally innocent? Did he who he was shuttling? He was
definitely complicit -- but should he face consequences? Leave your thoughts in the
comments!
Leah Scher is an ENFP finishing her degree at Brandeis University. She's an alumna of the
Kenyon Review Young Writer's Workshop the Iowa Young Writers' Studio. She's passionate about
Judaism, poetry, film, satire, astrology, spirituality, and sexual health.
"... The golden boy of Manhattan and Palm Beach society now sits in a grim jail cell accused of having sex with underage girls. He's been doing this in plain view since the early 1990's but, until recently, he seemed bullet-proof. ..."
"... More important than indelicacy, as an old observer of intelligence affairs, to me this offer reeked of ye old honey trap , a tactic to ensnare and blackmail people that was old when Babylon was young. A discreet room with massage table, lubricants and, no doubt, cameras stood ready off the main lobby . ..."
"... Besides sexual frolics, Epstein and Maxwell were up to many odd things. The FBI found diamonds, cash and a fake passport when raiding his mansion and documents showing his net worth at $559,120,954.00. The IRS tax people will be eager to review the sources of this income. ..."
"... It seems likely that political influence was brought to bear on then US attorney Alexander Acosta (he just resigned under fire last week) to make a sweetheart deal with Epstein, who had been charged by Florida with child molestation. Epstein got off with a token, 13-month jail sentence that allowed him to work from his office much of the day. ..."
"... Were Trump or Clinton involved? How much did they "party" with Epstein and revel in his fleshmart? There was talk of some sort of "intelligence" angle to the affaire Epstein that spared him a harsh sentence. ..."
"... A respected former CIA official, Phil Giraldi has come right out and accused Epstein of being an Israeli agent of influence. ..."
"... To Giraldi and this writer, the Epstein "massage" operation was a classic intelligence operation designed to blackmail men of influence into doing Israel's bidding. Clinton had reportedly already fallen into this trap years earlier while still president. ..."
"... Trump is a Mafia punk, protege of Roy Cohn, dead of AIDS in 1986. Only the brain dead would believe Trump is the lamb in this orgy. As for Epstein being a Mossad asset, probably. As for the CIA & NSA not knowing, absolutely impossible! This operation was most probably overseen, if not created, by the CIA, with NSA help, and tit bits handed to Mossad for European and ME operations. ..."
"... Trump was likely warned about Epstein by his mobster mentors/friends from the start. No doubt Trump did tell his buddy Epstein to keep that **** out of his properties, who wouldn't? ..."
"... Clinton knew as well but never gave a crap because He and HRC were probably protected CIA assets extending back to the AR drug smuggling days. ..."
"... Because it is a strange business, costing lots of money and achieving ..... what exactly? Ah ...., national security -- ain't that nice!! ..."
"... Anyone taking bets that Epstein will not live to tell all his tales? He probably has two years because he cannot be removed before all the excitement's died down but removed he will be. ..."
I've had many strange experiences in my decades of covering intelligence affairs.
These run from being invited to KGB HQ in Moscow, Chinese intelligence in Beijing, US
intelligence in Virginia, Libyan intelligence in Tripoli, South African intelligence, and even
Albanian intelligence in Tirana.
But none was odder than the day I was invited to lunch in New York City with the by now
notorious figure Jeffrey Epstein.
The golden boy of Manhattan and Palm Beach society now
sits in a grim jail cell accused of having sex with underage girls. He's been doing this in plain
view since the early 1990's but, until recently, he seemed bullet-proof.
Soon after I walked into the entrance of Epstein's mansion on E 71st Street, said to be the
city's largest private home, a butler asked me,
"would you like an intimate massage, sir,
by a pretty young girl?"
This offer seemed so out of place and weird to me that
I
swiftly declined
.
More important than indelicacy, as an old observer of intelligence affairs,
to me
this offer reeked of ye old honey trap
, a tactic to ensnare and blackmail people that
was old when Babylon was young. A discreet room with massage table, lubricants
and,
no doubt, cameras stood ready off the main lobby
.
I had arrived with Canada's leading lady journalist who was then close to Epstein's sometime
girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell and, it was said, procuress – something Maxwell denies.
Bizarrely, Maxwell believed that I could get KGB Moscow Center to release satellite photos that
showed the murder on his yacht of her father, the press baron Robert Maxwell, who was a
well-known double agent for Israel and KGB, and a major criminal.
Also present was the self-promoting lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, who had saved the accused murderer
Claus von Bulow, as well as a titan of the New York real estate industry (not Trump) and assorted
bigwigs of the city's elite Jewish society. All sang the praises of Israel.
Epstein reportedly had ties to Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Britain's Prince Andrew and
repeatedly flew them about in his private jet, aka "the Lolita Express." All guests deny any sexual
activity. I turned down dinner with Prince Andrew.
Epstein's residence in Manhattan and Palm Beach, both of which I visited, were stocked
with young female "masseuses."
All were working class girls making big money in their
spare time. I did not see any interactions between these girls and the guests.
Epstein and Maxwell became too big for their britches. They flaunted their sexual adventures and
laughed at New York society.
Everyone wondered about the source of Epstein's lavish income
but no one knew its origins.
He claimed to be an exclusive money manager for a group of
secretive millionaires. But the only one identified was billionaire Leslie Wexner, the owner of L
Brands and Victoria's Secret. Wexner denied any knowledge of Epstein's alleged crimes.
Besides sexual frolics, Epstein and Maxwell were up to many odd things. The FBI found diamonds,
cash and a fake passport when raiding his mansion and documents showing his net worth at
$559,120,954.00. The IRS tax people will be eager to review the sources of this income.
It seems likely that political influence was brought to bear on then US attorney Alexander
Acosta (he just resigned under fire last week) to make a sweetheart deal with Epstein, who had been
charged by Florida with child molestation. Epstein got off with a token, 13-month jail sentence
that allowed him to work from his office much of the day.
Were Trump or Clinton involved? How much did they "party" with Epstein and revel in his
fleshmart? There was talk of some sort of
"intelligence" angle
to the affaire
Epstein that spared him a harsh sentence.
A respected former CIA official, Phil Giraldi has come right out and accused Epstein of
being an Israeli agent of influence.
Epstein was let off with a slap on the wrist on his
first child abuse charge, says Giraldi, because of his powerful Israel connections.
To Giraldi and this writer,
the Epstein "massage" operation was a classic intelligence
operation designed to blackmail men of influence into doing Israel's bidding.
Clinton had
reportedly already fallen into this trap years earlier while still president.
Now watch this stinking pile of corruption be hurriedly covered up. Talk about draining the
swamp.
Trump is a Mafia punk, protege of Roy Cohn, dead of AIDS in
1986. Only the brain dead would believe Trump is the lamb in
this orgy. As for Epstein being a Mossad asset, probably. As
for the CIA & NSA not knowing, absolutely impossible! This
operation was most probably overseen, if not created, by the
CIA, with NSA help, and tit bits handed to Mossad for European
and ME operations.
Trump was likely warned about Epstein by his mobster
mentors/friends from the start. No doubt Trump did tell his
buddy Epstein to keep that **** out of his properties, who
wouldn't? 'Don't **** where I eat'. Clinton knew as well but
never gave a crap because He and HRC were probably protected
CIA assets extending back to the AR drug smuggling days.
Because it is a strange business, costing lots of money and
achieving ..... what exactly? Ah ...., national security -- ain't
that nice!!
Anyone taking bets that Epstein will not live to
tell all his tales?
He probably has two years because he cannot be removed
before all the excitement's died down but removed he will be.
"... A court filing in a civil case in Florida last week included new allegations against Jeffrey E. Epstein, a businessman who pleaded guilty to soliciting prostitution, and two other high-profile men: a member of the British Royal family and an American lawyer. ..."
"... About the royal: Some of you may argue that if there was an encounter, the Prince may have been unaware of the girl's age. He has people . People who make arrangements for him. One can see how such a fellow might hear the same knock on the door that Neil Bush once heard. Perhaps, upon opening the door, his first reaction was something other than "May I see your ID, Miss?" ..."
"... On Saturday, Mr. Dershowitz said he "categorically and unequivocally" denied all of the allegations. He said he would file disbarment proceedings against the lawyers who filed the motion, Bradley J. Edwards, a lawyer in Florida, and Paul G. Cassell, a former federal judge and a law professor at the University of Utah. ..."
"... The full court filing was published on Mondoweiss a couple of days ago. We learn that the complainant, Jane Doe #3, was 15 years of age, and that she was recruited by an Epstein associate named Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert Maxwell (the late news tycoon and known Mossad asset). The photo to the left shows the Prince with the girl who seems to have been Jane Doe #3. ..."
Underaged sex with Alan Dershowitz and Prince Andrew...and Bill Clinton...? (If the claims are true, Hillary is OVER.)
Wow.
A court filing in a civil case in Florida last week included new allegations against Jeffrey E. Epstein, a businessman
who pleaded guilty to soliciting prostitution, and two other high-profile men: a member of the British Royal family and an American
lawyer.
The motion filed in United States District Court in the Southern District of Florida alleges that Mr. Epstein forced a teenage
girl to have sexual relations with several men, including Prince Andrew, Queen Elizabeth's second son, and Alan M. Dershowitz,
a professor emeritus at Harvard Law School. Both men have denied the allegations.
Jeffrey Epstein is not just a businessman. He's a billionaire, and he has already been convicted of soliciting underaged prostitution.
About the royal: Some of you may argue that if there was an encounter, the Prince may have been unaware of the girl's age.
He has people . People who make arrangements for him. One can see how such a fellow might hear the same knock on the door
that Neil Bush once heard. Perhaps, upon opening the door, his first reaction was something other than "May I see your ID, Miss?"
That scenario seems plausible. However, as we shall see, that scenario is not what has been alleged.
We will get to the Prince in a bit. For now, let's focus on Dershowitz.
On Saturday, Mr. Dershowitz said he "categorically and unequivocally" denied all of the allegations. He said he would file
disbarment proceedings against the lawyers who filed the motion, Bradley J. Edwards, a lawyer in Florida, and Paul G. Cassell,
a former federal judge and a law professor at the University of Utah.
"They are lying deliberately, and I will not stop until they're disbarred," Mr. Dershowitz said in a phone interview.
The very predictability of that furious reaction means that no lawyer would have filed such charges against Dershowitz frivolously.
Cassell has an impressive resume. He's not a young go-getter out to make a name for himself.
I understand that there are a lot of women who have made iffy claims against famous people. But this case seems different. Epstein
has already pled guilty. Moreover, Dershowitz was part of Epstein's legal team.
The full court filing was published on
Mondoweiss a couple of days ago. We learn
that the complainant, Jane Doe #3, was 15 years of age, and that she was recruited by an Epstein associate named Ghislaine Maxwell,
daughter of Robert Maxwell (the late news tycoon and known Mossad asset). The photo to the left shows the Prince with the girl who
seems to have been Jane Doe #3. Allegedly, the shot was taken by Epstein. (Note: In what follows, the term NPA refers
to non-prosecution agreement .)
Epstein then became enamored with Jane Doe #3, and with the assistance of Maxwell converted her into what is commonly referred
to as a "sex slave." Epstein kept Jane Doe #3 as his sex slave from about 1999 through 2002, when she managed to escape to a foreign
country and hide out from Epstein and his co-conspirators for years. From 1999 and 2002, Epstein frequently sexually abused Jane
Doe #3, not only in West Palm Beach but also in New York, New Mexico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, in international airspace on Epstein's
private planes, and elsewhere.
Epstein also sexually trafficked the then-minor Jane Doe, making her available for sex to politically-connected and financially-powerful
people. Epstein's purposes in "lending" Jane Doe (along with other young girls) to such powerful people were to ingratiate himself
with them for business, personal, political and financial gain, as well as to obtain potential blackmail information.
One such powerful individual that Epstein forced then-minor Jane Doe #3 to have sexual relations with was former Harvard Law
Professor Alan Dershowitz, a close friend of Epstein's and well-known defense attorney. Epstein required Jane Doe #3 to have sexual
relations with Dershowiz on numerous occasions while she was a minor, not only in Flroida but also on private planes, in New York,
New Mexico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. In addition to being a participant in the abuse of Jane Doe #3 and other minors, Dershowitz
was an eye-witness to the sexual abuse of many other minors by Epstein and several of Epstein's co-conspirators. Dershowitz would
later play a significant role in negotiating the NPA on Esptein's behalf. Indeed, Dershowitz helped negotiate an agreement that
provided immunity from federal prosecution in the Southern District of Florida not only to Epstein, but also to "any potential
co-conspirators of Epstein." NPA at 5. Thus, Dershowitz helped negotiate an agreement with a provision that provided protection
for himself against criminal prosecution in Florida for sexually abusing Jane Doe #3. Because this broad immunity would have been
controversial if disclosed, Dershowitz (along with other memebers of Epstein's defense team) and the Government tried to keep
the immunity provision secret from all of Epstein's victims and the general public, even though such secrecy violated the Crime
Victims' Rights Act.
There's a third named participant in these doings, one Jean Luc Brunel, a close Epstein friend and a scout for various modelling
agencies.
He would bring young girls (ranging from ages as young as twelve) to the United States for sexual purposes and farm them out to
his friends, especially Epstein. Brunel would offer the girls "modeling" jobs. Many of the girls came from poor countries or impoverished
backgrounds, and he lured them in with a promise of making good money.
The Government was well aware of Jane Doe #3 when it was negotiating the NPA, as it listed her as a victim in the attachment to
the NPA. Moreover, even a rudimentary investigation of Jane Doe #3's relationship with Epstein would have revealed the fact that
she had been trafficked throughout the United States and internationally for sexual purposes. Nonetheless, the Government secretly
negotiated a non-prosecution agreement with Epstein precluding any Federal prosecution in the Southern District of Florida of
Epstein and his co-conspirators. As with Jane Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2, the Government concealed the non-prosecution agreement from
Jane Doe #3 -- all in violation of her rights under the CVRA -- to avoid Jane Doe #3 from raising powerful objections to the NPA
that would have shed tremendous light on Epstein and other powerful individuals that would likely have prevented it from being
conlcuded in the secretive manner in which it was.
The document also mentions a Jane Doe #4, an impoverished sixteen year old who was told that she could make $300 by giving a "massage"
to an old man in Palm Beach.
This matter seems very serious. We have too many details, too many corroborating witnesses (in the form of four Jane Does). We
have a photo. We have reports of the existence of many, many more photos. The hugger-mugger involving the NPA seems downright ghastly
-- yet all too credible.
Frankly, I would not rule out the possibility that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency -- either Mossad or one of our
own. The Maxwell connection points to Mossad.
This whole business has "honeytrap" written all over it.
The Clinton connection.
The
Daily Mail discloses that one of Epstein's, er, protegees was a woman named Johanna Sjoberg. Since the story links her to Prince
Andrew, it is tempting suppose that she is the aforementioned Jane Doe #3. However, British newspapers have named another young woman,
Virginia Roberts.
Miss Sjoberg worked for Epstein for four years, often massaging him as he lay on a couch in his giant bathroom making phone calls
to friends such as Bill Clinton and Cate Blanchett.
He kept a little black book, containing the numbers of all his masseuses by a phone in the bathroom, she said. She left after
he started becoming 'more aggressive' in his demands that she 'do sexual things to him'.
She said she was aware that the girls recruited by Epstein and his acolytes were not paid just for massages but for 'sexual
favours'.
Virginia Roberts revealed that as a 17-year-old 'erotic masseuse', she was flown by Epstein to London to meet Prince Andrew,
Miss Sjoberg said: 'I'm not surprised he was sending girls abroad. I just did not think they were so young.'
The Prince strongly denies any claim of impropriety, of course.
What about Epstein and Clinton? Obviously, there is nothing wrong in taking a man's phone call, even a call from someone like
Epstein. However...
Bill Clinton was also named dozens of times in lawsuits against Epstein and was alleged to have flown on his private jet more
than 10 times.
Flight logs in lawsuits detailed that between 2002 and 2005 the former US President traveled around the world courtesy of his
friend and stopped at Epstein's Caribbean island Little St James where young girls were supposedly kept as sex slaves.
Clinton was deemed to be so close to Epstein that he was nearly deposed during the investigation into his paedophilia.
Before he was jailed Epstein's other acquaintances are said to have been former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak; former New
Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers.
Let's make the obvious point. If there is any evidence of wrongdoing against Bill Clinton, then Hillary's chances at the nomination
are over . A candidacy can withstand many things, but a statutory rape scandal involving one's spouse? No.
Over the years, the casually-dressed, globe-trotting financier, who was said to log more than 600 flying hours a year, has been
linked with Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker and Manhattan-London society figure Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late
media titan Robert Maxwell.
Epstein reportedly flew Tucker and Spacey to Africa on his private jet as part of a charitable endeavour. Clinton, meanwhile,
flew on multiple occasions in the same plane to Epstein's private Caribbean island, Little St James, between 2002 and 2005 as
he developed his philanthropic post-presidential career. It would later be alleged in court that Epstein organised orgies on that
same private island in the US Virgin Islands.
Reports in the US media say many of the A-list names broke off any links with the former maths teacher after his arrest and conviction
in 2008 of having sex with an underage girl whom he had solicited. His arrest followed an 11-month undercover investigation at
a mansion in Florida's Palm Beach that Epstein owned.
In 2008, he pleaded guilty to a single charge of soliciting prostitution and was handed a 18-month jail sentence. He served
13 months in jail and was obliged to register as a sex offender. A 2011 report in the New York Post said that he celebrated his
release from jail and his return to a property he maintains in New York – a 45,000-sq-foot eight-storey mansion on East 71st Street
– with Prince Andrew.
The story goes on to give much useful information about Epstein's business dealings.
The financier, who was jailed for 18 months in 2008 after pleading guilty to solicitation for prostitution, kept a sickening stash
of images on a computer seized at his Palm Beach mansion in 2006.
The six-year-old papers, seen by the Sunday People, state: "Some of the photographs in the defendant's possession were taken
with hidden cameras set up in [Epstein's] home in Palm Beach.
"On the Day of his arrest, police found two hidden cameras and photographs of underage girls on a computer in the defendant's
home.
"[He] may have taken lewd photographs of Jane Doe 102 with his hidden cameras and transported [them] to his other residences
and elsewhere."
Court papers also allege that Maxwell presented nude pictures of her she had taken herself to Epstein as a birthday present.
They add that Roberts' claims that she was forced to tell Epstein all about her sexual encounters so he could use the information
to "blackmail" the royal.
She further claims she was sex-trafficked to "many other powerful men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful
business executives, foreign presidents, a well known Prime Minister, and other world leaders".
And now let's play our game: Who was that Prime Minister?
To- neeeeee...! If that's you, you're gonna have to say so many rosaries that even the Virgin Mary will get sick of hearing
your voice.
This scandal places our right-wing media in a bind. Obviously, the right-wingers will want to leap on anything that dirties the
Clinton name. On the other hand, anything that reeks of Mossad involvement is untouchable.
"... As the Jeffrey Epstein case continues to unfold, a laundry list of celebrities, business magnates and socialites who have flown anywhere near the registered sex offender's orbit are now tainted with pedo-polonium. Many of them, such as Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak , and Victoria's Secret boss Les Wexner have sought to distance themselves from Epstein and his activities - however their attempts have fallen on deaf ears considering their extensive ties to the pedophile. ..."
"... As Vanity Fair 's Gabriel Sherman notes, "The questions about Epstein are metastasizing much faster than they can be answered: Who knew what about Epstein's alleged abuse? How, and from whom, did Epstein get his supposed $500 million fortune? Why did Acosta grant Epstein an outrageously lenient non-prosecution agreement? (And what does it mean that Acosta was reportedly told Epstein " belonged to intelligence "?)" ..."
"... "There were other business associates of Mr. Epstein's who engaged in improper sexual misconduct at one or more of his homes. We do know that," adding " In due time the names are going to start coming out. " ..."
"... What's more, the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release of approximately 2,000 pages of documents, likely over the next several days, which may reveal sex crimes committed by "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders," according to the court's three-judge panel. ..."
"... According to one source, Epstein had a steady stream of who's who's flowing into his Manhattan mansion, including Bill Gates, Larry Summers, and Steve Bannon . ..."
"... Please, please let it be Tony Blair, whenever he appeared on the TV he always got my Spidey-senses tingling just like that other POS Sir Jimmy Savile. ..."
"... WJClinton is in it a LOT. On pp.13, there's one with Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, and two shown by initials... ..."
As the Jeffrey Epstein case continues to unfold, a laundry list of celebrities, business magnates and socialites who have
flown anywhere near the registered sex offender's orbit are now tainted with pedo-polonium. Many of them, such as Bill Clinton, Ehud
Barak , and Victoria's Secret boss Les Wexner have sought to distance themselves from Epstein and his activities - however their
attempts have fallen on deaf ears considering their extensive ties to the pedophile.
As Vanity Fair
's Gabriel Sherman notes, "The questions about Epstein are metastasizing much faster than they can be answered: Who knew what about
Epstein's alleged abuse? How, and from whom, did Epstein get his supposed $500 million fortune? Why did Acosta grant Epstein an outrageously
lenient non-prosecution agreement? (And what does it mean that Acosta was reportedly told Epstein " belonged to intelligence "?)"
Also illuminating is a statement by attorney Brad Edwards, who said during a Wednesday press conference seated next to Epstein
accuser Courtney Wild that "There were other business associates of Mr. Epstein's who engaged in improper sexual misconduct at
one or more of his homes. We do know that," adding " In due time the names are going to start coming out. "
What's more, the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release of approximately 2,000 pages of documents, likely
over the next several days, which may reveal sex crimes committed by "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business
executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders," according to the court's three-judge panel.
The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former
Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein's former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. "Nobody who was around
Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now. It's all going to come out," said Giuffre's lawyer David Boies. Another person
involved with litigation against Epstein told me: "It's going to be staggering, the amount of names. It's going to be contagion
numbers." - Vanity
Fair
Other famous names associated with Epstein include LinkedIn cofounder Reid Hoffman , Elon Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg , who Musk
introduced to the registered sex-offender. Zuckerberg spokesman told Vanity Fair "Mark met Epstein in passing one time at a dinner
honoring scientists that was not organized by Epstein," adding "Mark did not communicate with Epstein again following the dinner."
Musk told the magazine "I don't recall introducing Epstein to anyone, as I don't know the guy well enough to do so, Epstein is
obviously a creep and Zuckerberg is not a friend of mine. Several years ago, I was at his house in Manhattan for about 30 minutes
in the middle of the afternoon with Talulah [Riley], as she was curious about meeting this strange person for a novel she was writing.
We did not see anything inappropriate at all, apart from weird art. He tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined."
According to one source, Epstein had a steady stream of who's who's flowing into his Manhattan mansion, including Bill Gates,
Larry Summers, and Steve Bannon .
"Jeffrey collected people. That's what he did," the source told Vanity Fair .
Thus far, the name most publicly associated with Epstein's alleged crimes is famed lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who's been waging
a public battle with David Boies for years. In April, Boies's client Giuffre sued Dershowitz for defamation after Dershowitz called
her a liar (a strategy similar to that of seven of Bill Cosby 's
accusers
). In the days since the FBI arrested Epstein at Teterboro Airport a week and a half ago, Dershowitz has been going on television
and dialing up friends and reporters to profess his innocence and label Giuffre and Boies liars. "I want everything to come out!
I'm not afraid of anything because I did nothing wrong," Dershowitz told me on the afternoon of July 15.
He called me a minute after I had emailed him for comment. He said he'd been friends with Epstein since 1996, when they were
introduced at a party on Martha's Vineyard by Lynn Forester de Rothschild. "She begged me to meet him. She told me, 'here's this
smart academic.'" A few days later, Epstein invited Dershowitz to Les Wexner 's 59th birthday party at Wexner's mansion in New
Albany, Ohio. "It's a tradition that Jeff invited the smartest person he met that year. He told them I was the smartest." They
remained close for years.
Dershowitz strenuously denied ever participating in Epstein's underage sex ring and said he'd only been in Epstein's presence
with his wife. "I got one massage!" he told me. "It was from a 50-year-old Russian woman named Olga. And I kept my shorts on.
I didn't even like it. I'm not a massage guy." -
Vanity Fair
DC on edge
"Epstein bragged about his contacts in Washington," said attorney David Boies.
According to the report, "One theory circulating among prominent Republicans is that Epstein was a Mossad agent. Another is that
the George W. Bush White House directed Acosta not to prosecute Epstein to protect Prince Andrew on behalf of the British government."
"The royal family did everything they could to try and discredit the Prince Andrew stuff," said Boies. "When we tried to follow
up with anything, we were stonewalled. We wanted to interview him, they were unwilling to do anything. "
And now we await those documents. Meanwhile, Epstein's bail hearing is scheduled for 11:30 a.m. on Thursday. remove Share
link
Copy Apparently Ghislaine Maxwell is a Mossad agent who is licensed to pilot Jet planes and even Submarines.
About 30 minutes in they begin to discuss Epstein, the Maxwell's, and Mossad
How big of an event will be required to divert attention from this? What will it be? Terrorist attack, complete financial meltdown,
assassination, war? I find it almost inconceivable that the full extent of the truth will come out or that justice will not only
be done but seen to be done. This Epstein affair personifies all that is wrong in our societies (not just the USA).
Recall Trump's executive order 13818 Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption. He is going for the jugular
Another "document dump" eh... How depressing... knowing you'll be spending the next 10++ years of your life watching too much of the greatest scum on the
planet escape the Rule of Law.
Trump attacked Hillary during 2016 elections campaign using change of Bill connection with Epstein. This was too dangerous move
if he himself was implicated.
Notable quotes:
"... Why would intelligence services want to make an intelligence op out of someone so sleasy and easily compromised? ..."
"... The wealthy class has defeated the poor class. What we are seeing now is a civil war in the wealthy class. The Epstein business is just one of the skirmishes in that civil war. ..."
"... Trump is fighting for his life and money. Lose the next election and spend the rest of both fighting imprisonment. What makes me think its time to remind people that the office of POTUS has teeth? ..."
"... "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone," ..."
"... does not say he "worked for intelligence". It might just mean that "intelligence" made the deal with him in return for information and that they then estimated the fall out and cleaned up (ie took people that could be blackmailed out of sensitive positions). ..."
"... But as to the "why now" of Epstein, surely it is 2020. As for Barr being a CIA kid, that does give some pause, except he is working for Trump, and so presumably he is playing his part in the 2020 event. ..."
"... From what I have read and heard, Trump is not tainted by the Epstein story. The attempts of those on the left or whatever (I can't even call it the left anymore) to associate Trump with the Epstein story are very belabored. "Grabbing pussy" of adult women who cluster around is not the same as recruiting young girls and teenagers and running sex camps for grown-up boys such as Randy Andy, RAndy Bill, and other Randy boys. ..."
"... AFAIK Trump did not ride the Lolita Express. The rumors about raping a 13-year-old in Epstein's apartment will have to become more than rumor to harm Trump, no matter how much the left pushes an Epstein = Trump narrative. ..."
"... As they pushed the Weinstein = Trump narrative. I.e., whenever you see Weinstein's name, think "Trump." But I don't think that really worked except with the very ones who were pushing that equation in the first place. In other words, auto-suggestion. ..."
"... "...every good gamblers knows to hedge their bets. ..."
"... Defense Department computers are among the top distributors of child pornography. An untold number of Department of Defense (DOD) employees and contractors have subscriptions to child pornography websites, and the problem is apparently so pervasive it requires new technical solutions to address it. ..."
"... "Hundreds of DoD-affiliated individuals" were recently identified as suspects in child pornography cases, according to an investigation by the Defense Criminal Investigative Service. ..."
"... Last year, an investigation by the National Criminal Justice Training Program found DOD computers were among the top networks nationwide for peer-to-peer sharing of pornographic images of minors. DOD's network ranked 19th out of 2,891 computer networks studied. ..."
"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNue92Gta3s 2014 Aerial drone video of Little St. James. The island is owned privately by Jeffrey Epstein and is located southeast of St. Thomas, United States Virgin Islands. ..."
Interesting post in that it raises many of the key issues and how they may fit together.
Generally agrees with my initial (or maybe secondary) impression that this is result of Trump triggering backmail clause by
failing to act as required by those running the show.
But, I have I think a better theory more fits the situation. Acosta (the human "sh*t-grenade) was hired because he knew stuff
and knew people who knew stuff. Trump was being blackmailed with Epstein affair - dems/cia/etc... It almost work, he almost attacked
Iran, was led to believe it could be done in a way that would not lead to war - likely by you-know-who.
He balked and called their "bluff". They were not bluffing. Problem for them is that Trump can maybe weather the sh*t-storm
they can bring - comey/brennan/clapper/et al... For now, I am inclined to side with Trump.
I don't know why but in spite of his lack of polish, he's brought some crude and interesting results.
Epstein was just a young "dirty old man". Trump is innocent - can anybody point to any incident where Trump committed a real felony,
not some breach of landlord regulations, For all the accusations of him being the capo di tutti capi, nothing has really stuck,
so he gives the impression of being a criminal but really isn't but it's good theatre. So my guess is that Trump told Barr to
go to it and bring Epstein in and bang him up for life. Reasons:
Trump was getting bored with Acosta
Epstein may drag down others - the Clintons being prime candiadates
This is a poke in the eye for Obama
Trump looks good when Epstein does the time he deserves
Meanwhile the anti-#resistance investigations role on and implicate Hillary for making false statements and Obama for trying
to fix the 2016 election.
Trump'll romp home in 2020. If Adelson, etc. tries to push another Republican candidate, Trump'll run as an independent and probably
still win. Trump now has his main "problems" by the balls.
'Appalled' does not suffice any longer. All this shit is more than a mentally healthy Human Being can bear - and in that fact
lies also a motive to bombard the population 24/7 with shit like that. Therefore it appears that this, too is part of an orchestrated
effort to rile up people against each other and destroy whatever peace still exists.
You could call it 'distraction' from insurmountable problems created by this specific sub-species of Homo Sapiens. But I am
not commenting about that.
I am as pissed as a decent person can get without losing its temper. But I am utterly disgusted that this childfucker Epstein
has soiled the name of one of my favorite Human Beings in history:
Brian Epstein - the one person that gave Humanity The Beatles.
I can not emphasize enough how effed up this is. There must be a court order to rename him into Jeffrey Childfucker, in order
to protect the name of one of the greatest music managers ever.
But I do concede to the fact, that this kind of damage might as well limited to people who know who The Beatles were.
The wealthy class has defeated the poor class. What we are seeing now is a civil war in the wealthy class. The Epstein business
is just one of the skirmishes in that civil war.
Today's CJR media feed focuses on Acosta and the 2007 plea deal without mentioning either Bush or Obama. Focus is still on Trump.
Of course Acosta is now a member of the Trump administration. But Trump was not in charge with this particular POS went down.
Trump is fighting for his life and money. Lose the next election and spend the rest of both fighting imprisonment. What makes
me think its time to remind people that the office of POTUS has teeth?
"I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone,"
does not say he "worked for intelligence". It might just mean that "intelligence" made the deal with him in return for
information and that they then estimated the fall out and cleaned up (ie took people that could be blackmailed out of sensitive
positions).
They don't care about the fall out any longer, so this now is allowed to blow up.
"The left is going wild thinking that this will "get Trump" but quite the opposite is happening. . .
Now this story will run into 2020 largely damaging democrats into the 2020 election. Trump's DOJ is running the operation."
That is my perception, although I am not a qualified observer.
But as to the "why now" of Epstein, surely it is 2020. As for Barr being a CIA kid, that does give some pause, except he
is working for Trump, and so presumably he is playing his part in the 2020 event.
From what I have read and heard, Trump is not tainted by the Epstein story. The attempts of those on the left or whatever
(I can't even call it the left anymore) to associate Trump with the Epstein story are very belabored. "Grabbing pussy" of adult
women who cluster around is not the same as recruiting young girls and teenagers and running sex camps for grown-up boys such
as Randy Andy, RAndy Bill, and other Randy boys.
To me the big question is why Dersh was part of the FOIA action to unseal the docs. If just appearing in a photo with Epstein
is enough for "the left" to try to hang Trump, the Dersh is in a lot more image trouble, with him name on the plane manifest.
Is Trump's name on the plane log? I don't think so. So, imagewise Dersh is going to take a big hit. And, by defending Trump
last summer as he did, he has now associated himself with both Trump and Epstein. Trump comes out clean. Dersh comes out Derty.
PS. Why is so much blacked out on the plane logs that have been published?
the Macow sounds "about right" to me, but only "about." I can very well imagine that Dersh is taking orders from the JSP, but
if he rode the Lolita Expres, he is in trouble.
AFAIK Trump did not ride the Lolita Express. The rumors about raping a 13-year-old in Epstein's apartment will have to
become more than rumor to harm Trump, no matter how much the left pushes an Epstein = Trump narrative.
As they pushed the Weinstein = Trump narrative. I.e., whenever you see Weinstein's name, think "Trump." But I don't think
that really worked except with the very ones who were pushing that equation in the first place. In other words, auto-suggestion.
O @110 sez: "...every good gamblers knows to hedge their bets.
You bet equally on both wrestlers in the ring? You don't make much profit that way. Much better to arrange who wins ahead of
time with the competitors and the referee and then just bet on the one everyone agrees to make the winner.
Sure, Trump was in on the fix, so even if he won the power elites still win, but that is true for all of the other contestants
in the primaries as well, with the possible exception of Sanders. The problem is that the power elites have very specific plans,
and those plans depended upon their tool in the White House being Clinton, not Trump. It isn't that Trump would be their enemy
or anything silly like that, but rather that a Trump victory would not resonate; would not synergize with the megatrends they
were manufacturing within the population.
On the contrary, the Trump victory introduced a societal forcing function that is 180° out of sync with the larger narrative
the power elites were trying to create. Trump was chosen to be the loser in the 2016 elections because his defeat would have had
the opposite effect, damping trends in society that the power elites wanted quashed and reinforcing the ones that they wanted
amplified. Hundreds of $billions in entertainment-base narrative generation that have been fed to the public since 2016, and had
been in the production pipeline from years prior, were supposed to be reflected in the real world by the victory of the first
woman president. Instead that media is being fed to the public while the top office in the world is occupied by an unrepentant
pussy grabber. The messaging is diametrically opposed and interferes with itself rather than reinforcing itself.
Sure, Trump is still the tool of the power elites, but he is not the tool they were planning on.
"I am trying to link Wexner with the Bronfman's (Seagrams Liquor Family) via a source other than the Mega Group (which may
not be credible, IDK)."
The existence of the Mega Group was revealed in the Wall Street Journal in 1998 under the headline 'Titans of Industry Join
Forces To Work for Jewish Philanthropy'. According to the Journal , it was founded in 1991 by Wexler and Charles Bronfman.
Membership included Edgar Bronfman, the chairman of the World Jewish Congress, Charles Bronfman, Edgar's brother and a top
executive of the family's flagship Seagrams Corp.; Leslie Wexler of Limited, Inc.; Charles Schusterman, chairman of Samson Investment
Co. of Tulsa, Oklahoma; Harvey "Bud" Meyerhoff, Baltimore real estate magnate; Laurence Tisch, chairman of Loews Corp.; Max Fisher,
the Detroit oil magnate and Republican Party powerhouse; bagel magnate Max Lender; Leonard Abramson, the founder of U.S. Healthcare;
and hedge-fund manager Michael Steinhardt.
One of its so-called 'philanthropic' projects entitled "Wexner Analysis: Israeli Communication Priorities 2003," was leaked
to Electronic Intifada.
"...when they met in the Edgar Bronfman mansion in Manhattan. The head of the World Jewish Congress hosted a meeting of
the fifty richest and most powerful Jews of the US and Canada. There was no press coverage, no limelight, just a few lines
in the newspapers. The gathered multibillionaires discussed the ways to achieve Jewish unity, and strengthen the Jewish identity
of American Jews, tersely reported Shlomo Shamir for Haaretz. They also agreed to launch a PR program under the Orwellian codename
of 'Truth' with the purpose of influencing American public opinion regarding Israeli policies.
The megabucks call themselves 'Mega group'. This name appeared in the media a couple of years ago, as a name for the secret
Israeli mole in the upper reaches of the US establishment. It came up in an overheard phone conversation, later denied by the
Israeli embassy in Washington, DC. The newshounds and spook watchers got it wrong. 'Mega' was not an agent, Mega was the boss."
Defense Department Computer Network Among Top Sharers of Child Pornography
Defense Department computers are among the top distributors of child pornography. An untold number of Department of Defense
(DOD) employees and contractors have subscriptions to child pornography websites, and the problem is apparently so pervasive it
requires new technical solutions to address it.
"Hundreds of DoD-affiliated individuals" were recently identified as suspects in child pornography cases, according to
an investigation by the Defense Criminal Investigative Service.
So far, authorities have only looked into about 20 percent of these cases. But already, they've found "several" individuals
"using their government devices to download or share said pornographic material."
Last year, an investigation by the National Criminal Justice Training Program found DOD computers were among the top networks
nationwide for peer-to-peer sharing of pornographic images of minors. DOD's network ranked 19th out of 2,891 computer networks
studied.
To prevent such widespread abuse going forward, the "End National Defense Network Abuse Act" would "crack down on this activity
by upgrading the training and technical capacity of military criminal investigative organizations to confront the misuse of DoD
computers, facilities, and equipment," according to a press release. It would also arrange for DOD authorities to work more closely
with civilian law enforcement on these cases.
"The notion that the Department of Defense's network and Pentagon-issued computers may be used to view, create, or circulate
such horrifying images is a shameful disgrace, and one we must fight head on," said Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D -- Va.), who co-sponsored
the bill with Rep. Mark Meadows (R -- N.C.).
A companion bill in the senate has been introduced by Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R -- Alaska) and Brian Schatz (D -- Hawaii).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNue92Gta3s
2014 Aerial drone video of Little St. James. The island is owned privately by Jeffrey Epstein and is located southeast of St.
Thomas, United States Virgin Islands.
"... If you haven't heard of him, Epstein's the super-sleazy Palm Beach billionaire who was busted some time back and convicted for conspiring to bring underage foreign girls to his estates in the United States and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Or as his 2008 plea deal put it, to "knowingly and willfully conspiring with others known and unknown to persuade, induce, or entice minor females to engage in prostitution." ..."
"... I've previously written about Epstein's ties to Bill Clinton and to Donald Trump . Neither Clinton nor Trump look come out of it looking good, to put it mildly, but in this case Clinton looks a lot worse. ..."
"... "Flight logs show Bill Clinton traveled at least 10 times on Epstein's private jet, dubbed the 'Lolita Express,' by tabloids, and he is widely reported to have visited Little St. James, Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands," I've previously written. "That's where, according to attorneys for Epstein's victims, many of the worst crimes against minors were committed by Epstein and friends who traveled there with him." ..."
"... In a 2011 interview with her attorneys, Virginia Roberts, one of the teenagers preyed upon by Epstein, said he had told her he had "compromising" information on Bill Clinton and that the former president "owes me a favor." ..."
"... Oh yeah, and by the way Epstein donated to the Clinton Foundation and multiple Democratic Party causes before and after being convicted for pedophilia. ..."
"... Federal and state investigators amassed a mountain of evidence against Epstein, but in the end Black and his other attorneys were able to draft and negotiate a bizarre plea deal. The terms of the agreement, which was secret at the time, capped damages against Epstein - reportedly worth about $2 billion - to between $50,000 and $150,000, depending on what year he had abused the girl, an attorney with direct knowledge of the case told me. ..."
"... So why write about Epstein now? First, as just noted, this creep got off easy. Second, Page Six recently spotted Epstein on the Upper East Side with young Russian "playmates." ..."
"... He said that Karin had two departments, one that was legal and sent girls to New York and elsewhere, and an illegal side that recruited underage girls for Epstein and other global clients. "They lured young girls [to Orgy Island], mostly from small towns in Brazil and Eastern Europe – with the promise of a fat modeling contract," this person said. "They told them they'd go to the island and meet the head of the modeling agency. Instead, they were coerced into pleasuring Epstein, Brunel and their guests." ..."
"... This source said Epstein's entire sex procurement operation was laid out to him by a former Karin bookkeeper, a Cuban-American woman who worked for the modeling agency's Miami office during the relevant period. ..."
Before heading out for the weekend, let's discuss Jeffrey Epstein, America's best connected political pedophile, shall we?
If you haven't heard of him, Epstein's the super-sleazy Palm Beach billionaire who was busted some time back and convicted for
conspiring to bring underage foreign girls to his estates in the United States and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Or as his 2008 plea deal
put it, to "knowingly and willfully conspiring with others known and unknown to persuade, induce, or entice minor females to engage
in prostitution."
I've previously written about Epstein's ties to
Bill Clinton and to
Donald Trump . Neither Clinton nor Trump look come out of it looking good, to put it mildly, but in this case Clinton looks a
lot worse.
"Flight logs show Bill Clinton traveled at least 10 times on Epstein's private jet, dubbed the 'Lolita Express,' by tabloids,
and he is widely reported to have visited Little St. James, Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands," I've previously written.
"That's where, according to attorneys for Epstein's victims, many of the worst crimes against minors were committed by Epstein and
friends who traveled there with him."
In a 2011 interview with her attorneys, Virginia Roberts, one of the teenagers preyed upon by Epstein, said he had told her he
had "compromising" information on Bill Clinton and that the former president "owes me a favor."
Oh yeah, and by the way Epstein donated to the Clinton Foundation and multiple Democratic Party causes before and after being
convicted for pedophilia.
Lately, however, the party has reportedly shunned Epstein. Indeed, he's so toxic,
recently released emails show , that Team Obama rejected the idea of having Epstein's chief attorney, Roy Black, host a fundraiser.
Black, by the way, is perhaps best known for winning an acquittal for William Kennedy Smith for allegedly raping a Palm Beach teenager.
Following that trial Black married a juror in the case.
Federal and state investigators amassed a mountain of evidence against Epstein, but in the end Black and his other attorneys were
able to draft and negotiate a bizarre plea deal. The terms of the agreement, which was secret at the time, capped damages against
Epstein - reportedly worth about $2 billion - to between $50,000 and $150,000, depending on what year he had abused the girl, an
attorney with direct knowledge of the case told me.
The agreement also barred victims from seeking any future financial redress. Roberts and a number of other "Jane Does" - Epstein's
underage victims- are currently suing to overturn the settlement. A number of attorneys with ties to the Obama administration were
involved in negotiating the deal, which was highly criticized and never publicly explained. (The astonishing story of the "sweetheart"
plea deal is laid out in
this article in the Palm Beach Daily News.)
Third, James Patterson, the best-selling writer, is
authoring a book about Epstein
that's coming out in October. It's a great time to pile on.
Fourth, I've been looking into the Epstein affair for over a year. I've interviewed dozens of sources in Florida, including several
of the Miami-area lawyers for the Jane Does, and have a lot of material in my files.
Interviews with key sources, documents and previously published accounts show that Epstein's closest friends and collaborators
included Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of disgraced British newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell, and Frenchman Jean-Luc Brunel. The
latter ran a modeling agency called Karin, which is based in Paris but also has offices in New York, Miami, and Brazil.
Brunel, whose role in the Epstein case has been covered by Jezebel and others,
has a long and sordid record of abusing and pimping out young women. Back in 1988, 60 Minutes aired a segment that featured a dozen
models who said they had been sexually assaulted by Brunel.
Craig Pyes, an associate producer and chief investigator of the segment, said various witnesses told him that Brunel was "heavily
into cocaine and sex with young girls," and that he set-up parties for "his rich playboy friends" and invited girls to weekend parties
that "operated as meat markets for older men." Several models told 60 Minutes they had been drugged and raped by Brunel or his friends.
What's especially outrageous, attorneys tell me, is that neither Brunel nor Maxwell ever testified in Epstein's case. Both fled
the United States on the eve of their respective depositions with the flimsiest of excuses. (Page Six
recently reported
that Maxwell was finally going to be forced to testify in the ongoing Jane Doe trial, but I haven't been able to confirm that.)
Brunel lined up underage girls for Epstein's Virgin Islands hideaway through his modeling agency, several of the victims' attorneys
I interviewed said. A private investigator involved in the case backed those accounts.
He said that Karin had two departments, one that was legal and sent girls to New York and elsewhere, and an illegal side that
recruited underage girls for Epstein and other global clients. "They lured young girls [to Orgy Island], mostly from small towns
in Brazil and Eastern Europe – with the promise of a fat modeling contract," this person said. "They told them they'd go to the island
and meet the head of the modeling agency. Instead, they were coerced into pleasuring Epstein, Brunel and their guests."
This source said Epstein's entire sex procurement operation was laid out to him by a former Karin bookkeeper, a Cuban-American
woman who worked for the modeling agency's Miami office during the relevant period.
I've unsuccessfully tried to track this woman down. Anyone with information please email me at
[email protected].
I've reached out to Epstein, Brunel, Maxwell and Black on various occasions and never heard back from any of them.
Steve Pieczenik additional video on "Lolita express" HRottenC enabled/participated in pedophilia as well, more intel leaks to
come from US gov. insiders:
"... A blockbuster book detailing the exploits of the infamous billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein hits shelves on Monday. Sources close to the 63-year-old Brooklyn native have advised him to be "unreachable and out of the country" this weekend when the preliminary media blitz gets underway. ..."
"... Epstein is far deeper scum than a mere pedophile, while the Koch bros and Pence may have a truly fundamentalist moral streak. The period of time between now and the election could be very dangerous for Epstein. ..."
Lolita Express Monday - just another tequila sunrise:
A blockbuster book detailing the exploits of the infamous billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein hits shelves on Monday.
Sources close to the 63-year-old Brooklyn native have advised him to be "unreachable and out of the country" this weekend when
the preliminary media blitz gets underway.
"Filthy Rich," a collaborative effort between best-selling author James Patterson and investigator John Connolly, is set to
reopen old wounds for Epstein, who served 13 months in prison following a 2008 conviction for soliciting prostitution from a teenage
girl.
Epstein has reportedly settled numerous similar cases out of court. The blockbuster book is also expected to further embarrass
celebs who once partied with Epstein.
An absolutely remarkable aspect of this "news" article is that while it mentions Trump as a celebrity who partied with Epstein,
the name "Bill Clinton" is entirely missing. That's despite documentary proof that "Bill" took 21 flights on the Lolita Express.
Just another MSM advertorial for Hyena Rodent Clinton.
Hey Jim, I've got a comment in moderation that touches on this. Specific to Epstein, I'll say the Koch brothers are as close
to the White House as they will ever get, and that Epstein was adamant about getting evidence about the people he serviced.
Epstein is far deeper scum than a mere pedophile, while the Koch bros and Pence may have a truly fundamentalist moral streak.
The period of time between now and the election could be very dangerous for Epstein.
Now that the Politics of Personal Destruction are in full play, certain parties had better hope that Epstein's settlements,
compelling his victims to silence in exchange for hush money, hold up.
After all, if one of them has already spent all her settlement money, she's effectively judgment proof in case she tells her
story in violation of the settlement.
As ol' Saddam Hussein used to say, " Anything is possible now, my brothers. "
Pharisee Conservative Scold Ken Starr Got a Billionaire Pedophile Off Many believe Jeffrey Epstein could have
been jailed for life for violating scores of underage girls, but Ken Starr and the rest of his legal team got him a deal. 5:55 AM
ET
It was supposed to be a probe into the first family's finances. But when independent counsel Judge Ken Starr mounted an investigation
into the Clintons' real-estate deals , the "Whitewater" probe took a
peep-show turn
. Starr and his team began to obsess over every lurid detail of Bill Clinton's philandering, issuing a 473-page report that was
a catalog of misuse of funds but mostly torrid sexcapades in the White House and the president accused of committing perjury to cover
it up.
The Starr Report came out in 1998. And all of this would be history, if it weren't for the fact that Starr, the legendary moral
ninny now serving as the
chancellor
at Baylor University , was handpicked nearly a decade later to negotiate a sweetheart plea deal with state and federal prosecutors
for
billionaire pederast and Clinton crony Jeffrey Epstein.
On Wednesday, some of Epstein's lawyers were back in court, arguing that the negotiations over that deal must remain secret.
"I had given [Epstein] a list of lawyers I worked with in the past that had been exceptionally able and Jeffrey picked from the
list," Alan Dershowitz, the world-famous criminal attorney and Harvard professor, told The Daily Beast. He also worked on Epstein's
behalf. "Starr had experience in investigating sex investigations," Dershowitz said. "He had experience as the solicitor general
and as a judge. He had all the bases covered."
The acquisition proved to be a panacea. In 2006, Jeffrey Epstein was hauled in by Palm Beach police for violating scores of underage
girls for years and was facing federal charges for trafficking them across state lines. He was formally sentenced to 18 months prison,
but only served 13 of them and was allowed to travel between his various mansions frequently. He was also forced to register as a
sex offender.
Many believe Epstein dodged certain doom -- he could have remained behind bars for the rest of his life given the number of alleged
victims (some say it's as many as hundreds, while his attorneys suggest it's barely double-digits). But ask the client and he believes
the plea agreement was lousy.
"Jeffrey didn't think it was a good deal," Dershowitz said. And that may have been because Epstein's all-star legal team -- which
included Starr, Dershowitz, Miami lawyer Roy Black, New York power esquires Jay Lefkowitz and Gerald Lefcourt, and Martin Weinberg
in Boston -- apparently couldn't seal an even sweeter deal.
Epstein issue and his connection to Clinton mafia was raised by press in 2016 but went nowhere.
The fact that Trump campaign targeted Clinton for his connection with Epstein means that Trump is probably was not involved as a client of
Epstein brothel with underage prostitutes for high ranking politicians .
Notable quotes:
"... Now Bill Clinton is back in the press and not for his controversial relationship with Monica Lewinsky, but rather his friendship with Epstein. In fact, flight records indicate that Bill would frequent the island paradise during the 2002 and 2005 era while Hillary, Bill's wife, was a Senator in New York. ..."
"... The woman went on to say how orgies were a regular occurrence and that she recalled two young girls from New York who were always seen around the five-house compound but their personal back-stories were never revealed. ..."
"... Moreover, Epstein was invited to Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2010 amongst 400 other guests, demonstrating his close friendship with the Clinton family. ..."
"... To top it all off blue blood, "Prince Andrew was allegedly one of the house's visitors. On Friday, the Duke of York was named in a federal lawsuit filed against Epstein, whom the FBI once reportedly linked to 40 young women. Filed in 2008 in the Southern District of Florida, the $50 million lawsuit claimed Epstein had a "sexual preference and obsession for underage minor girls gained access to primarily economically disadvantaged minor girls in his home and sexually assaulted these girls,"reported the Washington Post. ..."
Back in 2005 police conducted an 11 month-long undercover investigation into Epstein and his estate after the mother of a 14-year-old
girl went to police after suspecting her daughter was paid $300 for at least one sexual act on the island in which she was ordered
to strip, leaving on just her panties, while giving Epstein a massage.
Although police found tons of photos of young women on the island and even interviewed eyewitnesses, Epstein was hit with a mere
slap on the wrist after "pleading to a single charge of prostitution". Epstein later served 13-months of his 18-month service in
jail.
In 2008, Epstein was hit again, this time with a $50 million civil suit after another victim filed in federal court claiming that
she was "recruited" by Epstein to give him a "massage" but was essentially forced into having sexual intercourse with him for $200
which was payable upon completion. The women were coming out of the woodwork.
Now Bill Clinton is back in the press and not for his controversial relationship with Monica Lewinsky, but rather his friendship
with Epstein. In fact, flight records indicate that Bill would frequent the island paradise during the 2002 and 2005 era while Hillary,
Bill's wife, was a Senator in New York.
'I remember asking Jeffrey what's Bill Clinton doing here kind of thing, and he laughed it off and said well he owes me a favor,'
one unidentified woman said in the lawsuit, which was filed in Palm Beach Circuit Court.
The woman went on to say how orgies were a regular occurrence and that she recalled two young girls from New York who were
always seen around the five-house compound but their personal back-stories were never revealed.
"At least one woman on the compound was there unwillingly," reported the Daily Mail in a recent article. The woman was allegedly
forced to have sex with "politicians, businessmen, royalty, academicians" at the retreat. Just one of "more than 40 women" that have
come forth with claims against Epstein, showing the vast scale of the man's dark operations, which aren't limited only to Little
St. James.
Moreover, Epstein was invited to Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2010 amongst 400 other guests, demonstrating his close friendship
with the Clinton family.
To top it all off blue blood, "Prince Andrew was allegedly one of the house's visitors. On Friday, the Duke of York was named
in a federal lawsuit filed against Epstein, whom the FBI once reportedly linked to 40 young women. Filed in 2008 in the Southern
District of Florida, the $50 million lawsuit claimed Epstein had a "sexual preference and obsession for underage minor girls gained
access to primarily economically disadvantaged minor girls in his home and sexually assaulted these girls,"reported the Washington
Post.
"... "I wanted to tell you that I have compiled a list of 34 confirmed minors," Villafana wrote to Lefkowitz. "There are six others, whose name [sic] we already have, who need to be interviewed by the FBI to confirm whether they were 17 or 18 at the time of their activity with Mr. Epstein." ..."
"... Epstein agreed to a 30-month sentence, including 18 months of jail time and 12 months of house arrest and the agreement to pay dozens of young girls under a federal statute providing for compensation to victims of child sexual abuse. .the U.S. Attorney's Office promised not to pursue any federal charges against Epstein or his Named and Un-Named co-conspirators. ..."
"... His legal team? Gerald Lefcourt, Roy Black, Ken Starr, and Alan Dershowitz. ..."
"... The federal non-prosecution agreement Epstein's legal team negotiated immunized all named and unnamed potential co-conspirators in Epstein's child trafficking network, which includes those who allegedly procured minors for Epstein and any powerbrokers who may have molested them." ..."
LOLITA EXPRESS...ORGY ISLAND...ELITE PEDOPHILE RING ?-2006
* George W Bush President: January 20, 2001 – Jan. 20, 2009
* Alberto R. Gonzales, Attorney General USA: Feb. 3, 2005–Sept. 17, 2007
* Michael Bernard Mukasey, AG. USA: Nov. 9, 2007 – Jan. 20, 2009
* Eric Holder, A G. USA: Feb. 3, 2009 – April 27, 2015
* Loretta Lynch, Attorney General USA: April 27, 2015 – Present
* Assistant U.S. Attorney Marie Villafana
* Epstein's Attorneys: Gerald Lefcourt, Roy Black, Ken Starr, Alan Dershowitz.
+ "He (Epstein) is an enthusiastic member of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations."
+ Bill Clinton...26 trips aboard the "Lolita Express"
Jeffrey Epstein's Boeing 727 is equipped with the necessary hardware for him to wake up, roll out of bed, and start trading.
+ Clinton shared more than a dozen flights with a woman who federal prosecutors believe procured underage girls to sexually
service Epstein and his friends and acted as a "potential co-conspirator" in his crimes.
+ Socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein's former assistant Sarah Kellen -- have been repeatedly accused in court filings
of acting as pimps. Oxford-educated Maxwell, recently seen dining with Clinton at Nello's on Madison Avenue. Manhattan-London
G. Maxwell, daughter of the mysteriously deceased media titan Robert Maxwell.
+ A new lawsuit has revealed how Clinton took multiple trips to Epstein's private island where he 'kept young women as sex
slaves'
+ Clinton was also apparently friends with a woman who collected naked pictures of underage girls for Epstein to choose from
+ Clinton invited her (pimp) to Chelsea's wedding
+ According to former child sex slave Virginia Roberts and a class action lawsuit against convicted billionaire pedophile Jeffrey
Epstein, former President Bill Clinton was present during sex parties involving up to twenty underage girls at Epstein's secluded
island in the Caribbean.
+ 20 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 said were sexually abused by Epstein, Palm Beach Police and FBI
+ 35 female minors sexually abused, Epstein settled lawsuits from more than 30 "Jane Doe" victims since 2008; the youngest
alleged victim was 12 years old at the time of her abuse.
..............................Source: FBI & Federal Prosecutors
+ flights on Epstein's planes 1997 to 2005, include Dershowitz (FOX NEWS, Harvard Law), former Treasury Secretary and Harvard
president Larry Summers, Naomi Campbell, and scientist Stephen Pinker.
+ In the most recent court documents, filed on December 30, Roberts further claims she was sex-trafficked to "many other powerful
men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister,
and other world leaders." Roberts said Epstein trafficked children to politicians, Wall Streeters and A- listers to curry favor,
advance his business, and for political influence.
The FIX
2015 Doc Release by Judge:
Assistant U.S. Attorney Marie Villafana wrote to Epstein lawyer Jay Lefkowitz in a Sept. 19, 2007, email. "I will include our
standard language regarding resolving all criminal liability and I will mention 'co-conspirators,' but I would prefer not to highlight
for the judge all of the other crimes and all of the other persons that we could charge ... maybe we can set a time to meet, if
you want to meet 'off campus' somewhere, that is fine. I will make sure that I have all the necessary decision makers present
or 'on call' as well."
"I wanted to tell you that I have compiled a list of 34 confirmed minors," Villafana wrote to Lefkowitz. "There are six
others, whose name [sic] we already have, who need to be interviewed by the FBI to confirm whether they were 17 or 18 at the time
of their activity with Mr. Epstein."
In a December 2007 letter, the prosecutor acknowledges some notifications of alleged victims but says they were sent after
the U.S. Attorney's Office signed the plea deal and halted for most of the women at the request of Epstein's lawyers.
"Three victims were notified shortly after the signing of the Non-Prosecution Agreement of the general terms of that Agreement,"
Villafana wrote, again to Lefkowitz. "You raised objections to any victim notification, and no further notifications were done."
On Sept. 24, 2007, in a deal shrouded in secrecy that left alleged victims shocked at its leniency,
Epstein agreed to a 30-month sentence, including 18 months of jail time and 12 months of house arrest and the agreement
to pay dozens of young girls under a federal statute providing for compensation to victims of child sexual abuse. .the U.S. Attorney's
Office promised not to pursue any federal charges against Epstein or his Named and Un-Named co-conspirators.
"In 2006 the FBI counted at least 40 underage girls who had been molested by Epstein. Authorities searched his Florida mansion
and found two computers containing child *********** and homemade video and photographs from cameras hidden in bedroom walls which
had been used to film sex acts. The case was airtight for many counts of sexual crimes but Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krischer
and the Justice Department stepped in and offered Epstein a plea deal. In 2008 Epstein pleaded guilty in a Florida court to one
count of soliciting underage girls for sex. His punishment was 13 months of "8 hour nights only" at a halfway house. No other
charges about raping underage girls nor running an underage sex trafficking ring were mentioned in the plea. His legal team?
Gerald Lefcourt, Roy Black, Ken Starr, and Alan Dershowitz.
The federal non-prosecution agreement Epstein's legal team negotiated immunized all named and unnamed potential co-conspirators
in Epstein's child trafficking network, which includes those who allegedly procured minors for Epstein and any powerbrokers who
may have molested them."
Lately, Jeffrey Epstein's high-flying style has been drawing oohs and aahs: the bachelor financier lives in New York's largest
private residence, claims to take only billionaires as clients, and flies celebrities including Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacey
on his Boeing 727. But pierce his air of mystery and the picture changes. Vicky Ward explores Epstein's investment career, his
ties to retail magnate Leslie Wexner, and his complicated past.
Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery
So how do termite grouping patterns fare as an investment strategy? Again, facts are hard to come by. A working day for Epstein
starts at 5 a.m., when he gets up and scours the world markets on his Bloomberg screen -- each of his houses, in New York, St.
Thomas, Palm Beach, and New Mexico, as well as the 727, is equipped with the necessary hardware for him to wake up, roll
"... The **** smell of all of this is simply overwhelming. He is not just a pedophile. He was and probably still is a Mossad agent whose purpose it was to entrap mainly US politicians and power bookers with the extremely compromising film evidence he was later found to be obtaining from the various elite junkets to his little island. ..."
Just posting this for posterity, as I've seen this information before:
"Bill Clinton was one of the most famous and frequent passengers on Epstein's "Lolita Express" and a guest on his private island.
When Roberts asked Epstein about Clinton's presence on the island, he simply laughed it off, and said, "Well, he owes me a favour."[37]
Epstein also donated money to the Clinton Foundation even after his conviction. In early 2015, a photo emerged showing Ghislaine
Maxwell at the wedding of Chelsea Clinton to Jewish investment banker Marc Mezvinsky in July 2010.
An annotated copy of the address book turned up in court proceedings after Epstein's former house manager Alfredo Rodriguez
tried to sell it in 2009. Rodriguez characterized it as containing the "Holy Grail" or "Golden Nugget" to unraveling Epstein's
child-sex network."[38] The book, which was eventually obtained by the FBI, listed well-known political figures such as Prince
Bandar of Saudi Arabia, Tony Blair, Senator Edward Kennedy, and Henry Kissinger, Ehud Barak, John Kerry, David Rockefeller and
even Donald Trump."
So...Kraft goes down, and there are supposedly even more "interesting" names on the list of those who were serviced by those
toothless asian whores. Could this be part of some unreal blackmail scheme against Trump?? Or is this **** TRUE, and we have a
pedophile in our highest office??
I don't know what the truth is any more. Maybe someone smarter than me can make sense of this ****. I sure can't.
The **** smell of all of this is simply overwhelming. He is not just a pedophile. He was and probably still is a Mossad
agent whose purpose it was to entrap mainly US politicians and power bookers with the extremely compromising film evidence he
was later found to be obtaining from the various elite junkets to his little island.
He and his Israeli handlers simply have too much on too many people for Epstein to really pay for any of his crimes, which
crimes many spy agencies around the world engage in frequently. However, what should really piss Americans off is that Epstein
was doing his dirt mainly against Americans for Israel, and Israel was supposed to be a trusted friend and ally of the US, working
in close concert with US spy agencies and forces in destroying nations like Iraq and Syria and pulling off false flag operations
like 9/11.
"... The children in some of these poor third-world 'orphanages' aren't really orphans as we understand the term but are just from poor families who can't take care of them. ..."
"... That a person with the stature of being a former president would hang around with a low-life like Epstein is really telling. He flew perhaps twenty-seven times on Epstein's plane which makes him more than just a passing acquaintance. Birds of a feather flock together. ..."
"... If a country next to us, so similar to ours in many ways but with a fraction of our population, has so many that can be exposed at one time then how many could the US have? ..."
"... The Burning Platform has featured a series of posts over the last few weeks that provide a volume of evidence that is impossible to discount. ..."
"... I have no doubt whatsoever that child sex abuse, trafficking and even sex-related murder may well be hung around the necks of very, very famous persons, and the horrors so bad that those persons (if still alive) will not even make it to trial before they're hung from a street lamp. ..."
"... What is clear is that the contention that there is "no evidence", a contention that is asserted or implied in seemingly every mainstream media discussion, is flatly false. There is a vast array of pertinent evidence, much of it circumstantial, but much of it also suggesting something of the mindset of some of the central figures. Anyone who denies this is utterly oblivious, or a liar, or a fool. ..."
"... As to what the evidence establishes, that is a different question. If skilled and intelligent investigators fail to take it up, then motivated and fervent - if not entirely competent - inquirers will surely rise up in their stead. ..."
"... Watch for the "fake news" sources' standard method for dealing with a large set of serious allegations like these from the internet's "real news" sources. They will take the most absurd/least likely allegations and dispose of them. They will then unobtrusively fail to address harder to dismiss allegations. Instead they will argue to the effect that, some of these allegations are false so obviously all must be. ..."
"... The "truther" site Snopes once had a perfect example, since taken down, I suspect because it made the technique so obvious ..."
The children in some of these poor third-world 'orphanages' aren't really orphans as we understand the term but are just
from poor families who can't take care of them. These international adoptions are a business where everyone along the line
gets paid with the child being the commodity being sold to the end purchaser, people in the west seeking to adopt a child to make
themselves feel good. As in the mentioned case, the agencies move around from country to country where people are poor and desperate
and legal safeguards are weak. Although the end receivers seem to be mostly naive and well-meaning people there's no telling how
many aren't.
That a person with the stature of being a former president would hang around with a low-life like Epstein is really telling.
He flew perhaps twenty-seven times on Epstein's plane which makes him more than just a passing acquaintance. Birds of a feather
flock together.
The Canadians pulled in over three hundred people. If a country next to us, so similar to ours in many ways but with a
fraction of our population, has so many that can be exposed at one time then how many could the US have? Yet we hardly ever
hear much, just of a few lone wolves here and there. Look at how Sandusky got away with it for so many years. People didn't want
to know, turned a blind eye to it, because he was too valuable.
This entire bunch who hobnob with each other have a very creepy vibe. There's all these 'coincidences' that seem to gather
together in one place.
This 'story' is complete horseshit / random confirmation bias. Scan the full social media accounts of any group of 100+
people and you could find just as much 'evidence' if you were determined to do so. This is scary -- the day that any social
media post involving children that uses the word "chicken" anywhere in it counts as evidence of pedophilia is the day anyone
could be smeared.
Ron Unz should be ashamed of himself for giving this kind of unhinged paranoid fear-mongering space.
Do some of your own research on this topic and you will come to a different conclusion if you can get beyond your massive bias.
The Burning Platform has featured a series of posts over the last few weeks that provide a volume of evidence that is impossible
to discount.
Most people cannot accept something like this would be real because they cannot fathom the depths of evil that exist in this
world ..why, I don't know. You'd think the fact that many of the people implicated have also been the ones fully on board with
unprovoked wars that have killed, maimed and displaced millions of people, including children, would be evidence enough.
Kudos to Ron Unz for exposing more people to this tragic, disgusting, horrendous story.
Socionomic Theory documents that the public's appetite for scandals is low when stocks and high and high when stocks are low.
Case in point: The "news" about Enron was favorable all the way down, until the stock had lost way over 90%. Only then did
"news" about criminality and malfeasance gain traction.
This being the case, with stocks at All Time Highs after an astonishing 7 year vertical rally, pizzagate's very existence
here tells us that when the next bear market (in social mood, as revealed by stock prices) is in full swing, the level of
sociopathic, demonic behaviors emerging into public consciousness will be unimaginable.
I have no doubt whatsoever that child sex abuse, trafficking and even sex-related murder may well be hung around the necks
of very, very famous persons, and the horrors so bad that those persons (if still alive) will not even make it to trial before
they're hung from a street lamp.
Public disgust with those who ran (and run) the Federal Government will in all likelihood be so pervasive that it will undermine
the very political cohesion of the United States.
This is by far the best survey of this topic that I've read.
What is clear is that the contention that there is "no evidence", a contention that is asserted or implied in seemingly
every mainstream media discussion, is flatly false. There is a vast array of pertinent evidence, much of it circumstantial, but
much of it also suggesting something of the mindset of some of the central figures. Anyone who denies this is utterly oblivious,
or a liar, or a fool.
As to what the evidence establishes, that is a different question. If skilled and intelligent investigators fail to take
it up, then motivated and fervent - if not entirely competent - inquirers will surely rise up in their stead.
Watch for the "fake news" sources' standard method for dealing with a large set of serious allegations like these from
the internet's "real news" sources. They will take the most absurd/least likely allegations and dispose of them. They will then
unobtrusively fail to address harder to dismiss allegations. Instead they will argue to the effect that, some of these allegations
are false so obviously all must be.
The "truther" site Snopes once had a perfect example, since taken down, I suspect because it made the technique so obvious.
One popular right-wing internet site claimed to link 100 or so suspicious deaths to the Clintons. Snopes attacked the obviously
absurd linkages and was left with about twenty cases of persons who (1) were involved or rumored to be involved with nefarious
activities involving the Clintons; (2) were scheduled to testify against the Clintons or rumored to be brokering plea deals; and
(3) died under suspicious circumstances soon after. Snopes dismissed these with a comment to the effect that all public figures
had numbers of known associates die like this; let's just move on, folks; nothing to see here.
200 Words @MQ This 'story' is complete
horseshit / random confirmation bias. Scan the full social media accounts of any group of 100+ people and you could find just
as much 'evidence' if you were determined to do so. This is scary -- the day that any social media post involving children that
uses the word "chicken" anywhere in it counts as evidence of pedophilia is the day anyone could be smeared.
Ron Unz should be ashamed of himself for giving this kind of unhinged paranoid fear-mongering space.
In one of my many different careers I worked for a couple of years as an outside consultant to the FBI's ViCAP (now VICAP)
program. About the time I was thus delving the depths of human depravity - and they are far deeper than the more fortunate readers
of this are ever likely to learn - a scandal similar to this broke in Belgium, involving the highest levels of society, politics,
and the EU bureaucracy in criminal conspiracies to kidnap children, sexually violate them, torture them, and even use them in
the production of snuff films. A full investigation dead-ended after many suicides and suspicious deaths and disappearances. IMHO,
based on some experience with criminal conspiracies of this type, the mass of material presented here is a pretty overwhelming
indication that something very bad is happening. That the MSM ("fake new") sources are not paying more attentionto this is scandalous.
I'm not going to commit myself to the idea that this is going to be as huge as Rotherham was.
Sorry, but you are deluded if you believe Rotherham was "huge" in the media - even after the story broke, the English media
did its best to downplay and underreport it - when they did report it, especially the BBC, it was always in a professional monotone,
with no hint of outrage, or how disgusting and appalling all of it was, including/especially the behavior of the authorities -
however let the BNP or EDL protest in front of the court where some of the Paki scum were being tried, and there you saw and felt
media outrage - at this point, Rotherham has practically disappeared from the news - which is pretty sad because as everyone knows,
it was just the tip of the iceberg.
And as currently being framed and investigatively fleshed out, if Rotherham was "huge", then Pizzagate will be a scandal of
positively galactic dimension.
People will not let this go the way they did with the Jeffrey Epstein sleaze.
Thank you for this article. It is well written and makes the point I have been trying to make. That the Wikileaks taken together
with the Instagram photos warrant an investigation. A person with a predilection to pedophilia (based on the Instagram photos,
choice of music, and music recordings at the Pizza Parlor premises) at the least, should not be running a "child-friendly" pizza
parlor without some kind of societal due diligence to ensure the safety of our children.
On the one hand, what is lost if an investigation occurs and it turns out there is no wrong doing? We would have wasted some
tax dollars and time of the law enforcement teams, but James Alefantis would in fact benefit from being exonerated. If
however, there is ANY truth and any harm has and is occurring to children, then the greater good resulting from the investigation
would be without price.
@Jus' Sayin'... In one of my many different
careers I worked for a couple of years as an outside consultant to the FBI's ViCAP (now VICAP) program. About the time I was thus
delving the depths of human depravity -- and they are far deeper than the more fortunate readers of this are ever likely to learn
-- a scandal similar to this broke in Belgium, involving the highest levels of society, politics, and the EU bureaucracy in criminal
conspiracies to kidnap children, sexually violate them, torture them, and even use them in the production of snuff films. A full
investigation dead-ended after many suicides and suspicious deaths and disappearances. IMHO, based on some experience with criminal
conspiracies of this type, the mass of material presented here is a pretty overwhelming indication that something very bad is
happening. That the MSM ("fake new") sources are not paying more attentionto this is scandalous.
The Belgian case, among other high-profile quashed investigations, is summarized here:
Furthermore, Tony Podesta's favorite artist is Biljana Djurdjevic, whose art heavily features images of children in BDSM
-esque positions in large showers.
Psychopathy in the Pedophile (From Psychopathy: Antisocial, Criminal, and Violent Behavior, P 304-320, 1998, Theodore Millon,
Erik Simonsen, et al, eds.--See NCJ-179236)
This paper argues that pedophilia may represent a special case or subcase of psychopathy and that the main aims of both
the psychopath and the pedophile are to dominate, to use, and to subjugate another person in service of the grandiose self.
[...] It notes that the major differences between psychopaths and pedophiles are that the object of the predation for the
pedophile is a child and that the overt behavioral manifestation of the pathology is sexual.
I just wanted to reemphasize Scott Adams' statement about the scandal:
Over on his blog, Scott Adams asks us to keep in mind cases where confirmation bias did lead to false allegations of
institutional pedophilia, to caution against excessive confidence.
These types of investigations and scandals can easily lead to 'witch hunts' and 'panics' and need to be handled with the greatest
care, prudence, and levelheadedness possible.
----
I wanted to add the following study/information, because as the study states ' These results provide further evidence
of the importance of distinguishing between these groups of offenders. '
This might just be an irrelevant distinction for most people appalled by this potential/alleged abuse of power and authority
of 'our' elites; but I believe we might mostly be looking at and dealing with psychopathy and not necessarily 'just' pedophilia
in this Pizzagate scandal.
This has several different implications for how this scandal might be handled or be covered up, etc., because psychopaths are
master liars, deflectors, charmers, etc., i.e. 'pillars of the community,' 'movers and shakers,' etc.
There is another curious connection here; Professor Robert Hare – the father of psychopathy research – said this:
Hare considers newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell to have been a strong candidate as a corporate psychopath.[10]
Robert Maxwell is the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, who is close friends with Jeffery Epstein:
In an American court case that was made public in January 2015, a woman identified as 'Jane Doe 3′ said she was approached
by Maxwell in 1999, and claimed that Maxwell procured under-age girls to have sex with Epstein. Maxwell has always denied any
involvement in Epstein's crimes.[10] She said: "She [Ghislaine] said she'd hit hard times. Jeffrey offered her a job
and then, I guess, because of her ability to procure girls, she became a vital asset to him.
Abstract OBJECTIVE :
Among men who commit sexual offenses against children, at least 2 distinct groups can be identified on the basis of the age
of the primary targets of their sexual interest; pedophiles and nonpedophiles. METHOD :
In the present report, across 2 independent samples of both types of child molesters as well as controls, a total of 104 men
(53 pedophilic and 51 nonpedophilic) who had sexually offended against a child age 13 or younger were compared to each other
(and to 49 non-sex offender controls) on psychopathy as assessed by the Psychopathic Personality Inventory (PPI). RESULTS :
In both samples of child molesters, the nonpedophiles scored as significantly more psychopathic than the pedophiles. CONCLUSIONS :
These results provide further evidence of the importance of distinguishing between these groups of offenders.
500 Words @MQ This 'story' is complete
horseshit / random confirmation bias. Scan the full social media accounts of any group of 100+ people and you could find just
as much 'evidence' if you were determined to do so. This is scary -- the day that any social media post involving children that
uses the word "chicken" anywhere in it counts as evidence of pedophilia is the day anyone could be smeared.
Ron Unz should be ashamed of himself for giving this kind of unhinged paranoid fear-mongering space.
Your comment sounds familiar to me. Are you writing from the UK perchance?
Back in the mid-Aughts I was surprised by how often I saw commenters at MSM news sites talking about the grooming and abduction
of white girls in cities in England. At the time I was regularly reading BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, and Times. The stories where
these comments appeared were diverse in topic.
Sometimes other comments would share similar experiences. Some would say they talked to someone who claimed similar experience.
Others would say they'd heard murmurs of such things.
These voices repeatedly called on the MSM outlet to investigate, or they wondered why no response was forthcoming from
elected officials or policymakers.
This was after–I later learned–Ann Cryer (MP for Keighley) had bravely stepped forward on behalf of girls whose parents had
approached her for help. IOW, the cat was emerging from the bag, but the MSM were trying to stuff it back in.
Dismissive responses to these comments frequently were framed as yours is here: nothing to see here, move along, it's confirmation
bias, you people are nuts, mods, step in and censor them!
In the Rotherham/etc. case, racism, Islamophobia, etc., were trotted out to inflict silence.
What was most noteworthy to me, and creepy, was how these comments would be removed from the comment streams of these outlets.
Sometimes the comments would be deleted but the response calling them racists or Islamophobes allowed to stand.
By the late Aughts I was convinced some sort of coverup was underway of something terrible indeed.
We now know that the MSM were key players in that.
Similar murmurings were afoot in Pennsylvania for many years prior to the revelations of the sexual abuse of children by Penn
State coach Sandusky. I knew men who steered their sons away from football in general, guiding them instead to hockey or lacrosse,
because the word on the street was that football camp was not a safe place for boys anymore. (Nor, increasingly, Boy Scouts or
church camps.)
The gig is up for the MSM acting as panderers and pimps in the Cathedragogue of their own degenerate Narrative-religion.
They won't go down without a fight. They have more power and money to lose than any of the kids victimized by pedocidal perverts.
But what those kids have to lose is a treasure of vastly more importance than power and money.
Thing is, truth and goodness of spirit will win. This is part of why these degenerates fight back as they do. They can put
truth and goodness on the run for only so long. They fight back not because they are losing, but because, by nature, they can
never join the winning side of truth and goodness. It's just not in them.
All the more reason they need to be found out and reined in hard.
One last thing, regarding some people's assertion that these symbols, in-jokes, etc., are all "just a game." Or, worse, "art."
(Which implies getting money and power by representing degeneracy to decorate rich people's businesses, homes and bedrooms.)
If pedophilia, grooming, and child rape are now matters to take lightly as shibboleths of entrance to circles of power, then
those circles of power need to be napalmed.
"In the beginning there were the swamp, the hoe, and Jussi."
I think the crux of the problem is that most people find two different things equally plausible.
1) That the people who are talking about this (pizzagate) are lunatics.
or
2) That Podesta and the rest actually are involved in things like this.
Personally I think a nation that has reached this point, that it is totally believable that our leaders and elites are a bunch
of monsters well that's a real problem.
Another problem is that the UK article a poster above linked to is two years old. Has anyone heard anything about that since?
Expect to?
How many members of the media political class, that are dismissing this as fake news have enjoyed "pizza" at Besta or at a
similar place?
What if criminal deviancy rather than disqualifying a person, is not instead some weird prerequisite for elite status? Don't
have to worry about rock throwers if they're inside the same glass house.
Blackmail seems as good an explanation as any for things like John Roberts sudden change of heart on the constitutionality
of the Obama care mandate.
This is a very good summary; thank you for publishing it.
The speed with which the old media have declared the entire thing false, far sooner than they possibly could have explored
all the latest information and come to that conclusion, is astonishing. In other cases of conspiracy theories they think are false,
they are willing to stand back and ridicule the theorists. Obama Birthers, 9/11 Truthers, Boston Bombing hoax, Sandy Hook . all
certainly called false and ridiculed, but that's all. I don't think I've ever seen them try to squelch an entire line of discussion
from the start like this before, even threatening lawsuits and prosecution.
There may be something to pizzagate but I'm very skeptical of accusations of widespread institutional pedophilia. I initially
fell for the "Satanic panic" of the 1980s; I learned my lesson.
I see that this case relies a lot on cryptic symbols. Reminds me of the people who see swastikas and white supremacy runes wherever
they look and try to make a case for a vast neo-Nazi underground. But the author states that 470,000 children "disappear" each
year in the US alone. Really? The link goes to "reported missing" which is a whole different thing. I once reported one of my
kids missing; he turned up shortly afterwards at a friend's house. He hadn't even run away, just overstayed and not informed us
where he was. That sort of thing happens all the time, but genuine disappearances? I don't know of a single case and I know plenty
of people with kids. In some third world country in a war, tens of thousands of missing kids might be believable, but even in
most such countries (Syria for example) 470,000 disappearances per year would be a stretch.
In the U.K., all the abuse took place by people in power. Catholic clergy over choirboys. Celebs over their fans. Pakistanis
targeted girls from broken homes. The wealthy and 'noble' preyed on the lesser born.
The worst though are the politicians, who have maximum power. I'm not sure I believe the pizzagate thing – the evidence is
not conclusive (show me a victim or witness). But I certainly believe it is possible.
The reliably excellent John Helmer provides an oblique reference to Pizzagate in the following linked piece about Propornot
and its marvellous 200 Putin Stoogesites:
200 Words @utu "What 'relatively obscure
charge'?" - Making payments in a manner hiding the detection of payments. Payments were not illegal but he was doing it in amounts
below the amounts that automatically would require reporting. In my opinion he did nothing illegal. The crimes he allegedly committed
were beyond the statute of limitation and paying hush money is not illegal either.
I kinda thought that's what you were referring to, but wanted to make sure.
His real crime was something else.
He was a high school coach years ago and was raping underage boys in his charge. The cash he was withdrawing was for payments
to one of the boys to keep him quiet. If memory serves, another one of his victims had committed suicide (not sure though). But
the one Hastert was paying off wanted to burn him.
In addition, Sibel Edwards, when she was working for the FBI and translating foreign language intercepts, picked up some conversations
by Turkish officials, who were bribing Hastert, and claimed they "owned him". He reportedly got $500K, but not sure for what.
FBI had courts put a gag order on Sibel, so she could not reveal any more details. The story was buried: probably because too
many high ranking swine were involved.
Hastert pleaded guilty to a Mickey Mouse charge so that there would no public child-rape trial, where the public might learn
all the lurid details of what the filthy swine did to those underage boys.
Hastert got away with destroying the lives of many boys.
Hopefully he will be savagely beaten and crippled in prison – but not killed – so he can suffer for years.
Like a lot of people I have gone from completely ignoring this story, thinking it was Alex Jones type fantasy to starting to
wonder if there might not be some truth to it after all. So far I haven't seen any definitive evidence that kids are actually
being molested, or worse. And because the accusations are so damning I would want to be very cautious about casually tossing them
around.
That being said, a lot of the stuff that's surfaced; the artwork, the cryptic messages, Spirit cooking, the odd choices of
entertainment for a family friendly pizza restaurant and the Instagram pictures are just flat out creepy .
Even with a presumption of innocence I wouldn't allow anyone under the age of 18 anywhere near the Podesta brothers, Alefantis
and everyone else involved without adult supervision.
I'm glad Unz has decided to publish this. I'm interested to see if anything more will come of it. It certainly warrants further
investigation.
@DanC Rotate the old logo for Besta Pizza
180 degrees. It is the pedophile BLogo symbol.
That's why when it got publicised, Besta's management immediately deleted the old one and converted to a new, BLogo-free symbol
on all their website and printed materials.
What is interesting to note in mainstream media "debunkings" of PizzaGate is that they focus on the doubtful evidence, things
that could be "interpreted either way" and they leave out the glaringly obvious pedophilia links, like the Besta Pizza logo.
Just look at all the "debunking articles." Do any of them mention the old Besta logo? I haven't seen any.
It seems to me this is the way to wean the public off the mainstream media. Hammer on the fact that the MSM insists on leaving
out the clear, obvious evidence and tries to imply that everything is doubtful and open to interpretation. Then people will start
to associate them with coverup and BS. The MSM can't recover from that.
Actually the logo issue is a prominent part of this Washington Post article (and a tweet by the fairly well-known Dave
Weigel highlighted that part in particular):
100 Words @Johnny Smoggins Like a lot
of people I have gone from completely ignoring this story, thinking it was Alex Jones type fantasy to starting to wonder if there
might not be some truth to it after all. So far I haven't seen any definitive evidence that kids are actually being molested,
or worse. And because the accusations are so damning I would want to be very cautious about casually tossing them around.
That being said, a lot of the stuff that's surfaced; the artwork, the cryptic messages, Spirit cooking, the odd choices of
entertainment for a family friendly pizza restaurant and the Instagram pictures are just flat out creepy .
Even with a presumption of innocence I wouldn't allow anyone under the age of 18 anywhere near the Podesta brothers, Alefantis
and everyone else involved without adult supervision.
I'm glad Unz has decided to publish this. I'm interested to see if anything more will come of it. It certainly warrants further
investigation.
Podesta is a creepy fuck period.
How did such a dweeb get to be such a big person in our national conversation?
He is an obvious hack , but not a particular clever one. He just comes off so "are you fucking kidding me?". Where do they get
these dudes? James Carville. Paul Begala. Bill Burton. Robby Mook. Even right has George Will, Buckley. Strange unnormal people.
I confess I don't get it. I can understand pizzagate as a brutal and nasty last minute campaign tactic, but the election is
over, drop it. A mighty tissue of "coincidences" woven together in a manner that would make Glenn Beck envious. I guess I need
to fashion a tin foil hat and then re-read the article. I think it just discredits the source more than the target.
If someone is actually raping children, then where are the children? The kids related to the socialite that she is bringing
to a pool party? Come on, that is what plebes are for. How are the children procured? Where do they live? There is necessarily
logistics to this kind of activity, and zero evidence of logistics, just some weird emails and weird art. Its like saying someone
is a coke head because they had a runny nose. tweet at early hours in the morning, and behave very alpha.
500 Words @Anonymous "Every aspect of
British society seems to have ties to pedophilia, from Parliament, to the elites, the City of London, the government, public schools,
Oxbridge, the universities, all the way down to Paki immigrant communities and even British soccer."
Why do pedos gain such power? Same reason why homos do? Since many of them don't have families and since they resent the Normal
World(from which they must hide their deviance or sickness), do they have extra time/energy for gaining power? Are they fueled
by resentment toward Normal Society? It seems like homos had a kind of revenge streak, and it all came out with New Normal. Homos
really want to rub our faces in their feces. They want to force us to accept the New Normal or be totally destroyed. They want
to turn us into their bitches. They are into Bitch-Hunting.
Working in the shadows, homos and pedos seemed to gained considerable power. And since they are associated with Vice Industry,
they have the dirt on everyone else and can blackmail them. Bill Clinton prolly never had sex with a minor, but surely homos and
pedos have a lot of dirt on him about his many affairs and orgies. And since they have many connections, they serve as essential
middlemen for those who seek power.
Also, there is a code of silence among the powerful. They watch out for one another. And homos and pedos are both pushy and
gushy. They are very demanding but also accommodating and supportive of the powerful and ambitious. They go all out to serve the
powerful and those on the up-and-up, but they also demand a cut of the pie.
The ambitious care most about power and privilege than about right and wrong. If their power depends on a coterie of people
committed to them 24/7, they will look the other way even when they know something is up. Also, there is the human factor. People
who work together closely develop an emotional bond. It's team politics, us vs them. And loyalty must be favored.
Since homos and pedos have more time on their hands and more energy(fueled by resentment), they might be more available to the
powerful or those who seek power.
Hollywood made the media the hero in the movie SPOTLIGHT. But the media seem eager to bury this as fast as possible.
Why did it take so long for the Hastert and Sandusky cases to come to light?
Homos seem to be closely allied with pedos, and the trajectory of our culture is to normalize pedophilia by sexualizing young
girls and boys. If young ones are sexualized, it means they can be objects of sexual desire. And then what?
And the scientific community is arguing pedophilia should be treated as a condition than a crime. This may be legit as long
as pedos didn't act on their impulses. But if they did, how can it not be a crime?
Rape is 'natural' too given that sexual feelings are natural. But we can't treat rape itself as a condition and not a crime.
Regrettably, though one may have grown old without ever feeling the wish to have sexual contact with a pre-adolescent or of
anyone of the same sex it hasn't been possible for a long time to deny the prevalence of socially disapproved sex drives and behaviours.
So one finds that the nice young presenter on the antique show has been arrested for downloading and keeping pedophile images.
And so on But isn't the idea of a large network, and what is needed to keep it covered up, a bit much to swallow? Nasty minds?
Conspiracy theories?
Well I suppose not. Sex as a drive and the perverse varieties of expression that we know to manifest themselves are enough
to make one accept the pedophile reality. Then the network and the cover up? The cover up, however difficult to make it reliable,
is just a consequence of the danger their behaviour exposes them to. And the network? Easy enough to explain once you are in it
– like knowing that you could attend mass in a number of aristocratic Elizabethan households. But the detail of why and how it
should grow from a very small group is obviously more complex. I guess that there are organisers and facilitators who seek various
rewards, some financial, some in young flesh, some in the obtaining of blackmailing power.
It's the age difference and the power equation that matters. If a fifteen year old is sexting a thirteen year old it's quite
different than a grown man like Anthony Wiener. I couldn't blame any father who administered a sound beating to an adult creep
who was sexting a minor. What kind of a society doesn't protect children?
"IMO this is yet another Jimmy Savile case: i.e. literally Satanic pedophilia on a vast scale, with the active collusion
of our political and media elites"
Savile case wasn't that at all – more like famous DJ/charity fundraiser with great PR taking advantage of his status with teenage
girls. How many of the post-death allegations are true, who knows, but we know some definitely aren't true – we know because long-time
blogger Anna Raccoon was a resident of a small children's home where Savile was claimed to have abused girls. She has a whole
series of seven posts called "Past Lives and Present Misgivings" on the allegations.
More "active collusion" is likely in the cases of Cyril Smith and Greville Janner, two pretty high-profile and connected MPs,
who seem to have managed to go to their graves scot free.
Flynn's tweet regarding this story was perfectly reasonable.
The story has been stamped "bogus" without any kind of investigation.
No response to questions about the weird content of emails by Podesta and others.
Stonewalling.
Makes one think the shotgun blast at Comet might even have been a false flag!!
For those wondering about the authenticity of the FBI document, here is the wikileaks page where it was revealed in 2007 and
they say "Wikileaks has verified the document":
I remember watching an excellent Australian film years ago that covered this very topic. It portrayed in a very realistic way
the whole homo/ pedo underground in the upper rungs of society, from posh public schools to university, where grooming of youngsters
occurred, to Parliament and Finance, where the powerful pederasts/homosexuals ruled. In this world, the shortest way to power
and riches for a young man was to seek out the protection and guidance of an older and powerful homo/pederast lover. It was shot
in Australia and in Australian settings and institutions, but it's all so British you'd think the film makers really intended
the story to reflect British society and were using Australia as a legal cover.
Sorry, I can't remember the title of the movie or the director. It was quite disturbing to watch but very interesting.
Perhaps Pat Hannagan or some other knowledgeable Australian reader can help.
Let's say there was no pedo-ring. I'm rather skeptical of it myself.
But just look at that pizzeria. What kind of freako place is that?
And why are some of the 'most powerful' people in DC such downright perverts and degenerates?
The fish rots from the head. Degenerates run government, institutions, and culture.
Government and judges push homo agenda. College push porn and 50 genders. Hollywood pushes drugs and tattoos. Disney turns
girls into whores.
And this isn't just a 'left' vs 'right' problem. A lot of Trump voters were ass-tattoo freaks. The working class grew up on
Jerry Springer, WWE, mentally deranged metal music, or Goth freakery.
And middle class kids grew up on the nerdy black magic of Harry Potter whose teacher is a happy ass-man.
Whether it's elites and their Pervert Pizza or the underclass with their degeneracy, it's ugly all around.
I'm not sold on the pedo-ring. Too much risk, though I think those 'elites' are a bunch of pervs.
If anything, this pedo-issue takes our eyes off the ball.
The real issue should be that the governing elites of this nation in government, colleges, cultural institutions, media and
even military(look at those tranny freaks) are a bunch of decadents, even degenerates. We are seeing the normalization of freakery
and grossness.
The fact that it is considered NORMAL for Hillary to invite Lena Dunham to the DNC speaks for itself. The fact that Newsweek
celebrated Obama with a gay 'halo' speaks for itself. The fact that churches hang 'homo flags' speaks for itself.
It is a sick nation.
A tolerant nation has room for decadence and even degeneracy. It belongs in the underground. They always existed.
But now, this underground stuff is the bobo cultural fixation of the elites who consider themselves 'hip' and 'edgy'.
And they even introduce their kids to this stuff from a young age.
Indeed, even without overt pedophilia, introducing sexuality to kids at a very young age is a kind of indirect pedophilia.
When homo-ness is promoted among kids, what is being done? Kids will ask 'what is homo stuff?' And an honest answer will have
to be, "some guys wanna stick pee pee into poo poo". But then, the kids will have to be told THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT,
and if anything, WE SHOULD BLESS THE HOMOS. But why? What is so great about pee pee in poo poo?
We really need Culturegate. The whole culture is a rotten scandal, and the fact that US globo-imperialism spreads this filth
around the world speaks volumes about how sick America has become. We don't need real pedo-rings of 'pizzagate' to accuse the
elites of filth and vileness. Their cultural life is garbage.
Just look at this: 'mainstream' culture has no problem with it. If anything, it is promoted as the New Norm.
As John Helmer points out, the new digital news business model doesn't provide any funds for investigative journalism.
So who is going to pay for a serious journalist to do the legwork and paperwork and FOIA requests, etc.?
Re "And why are some of the 'most powerful' people in DC such downright perverts and degenerates? "
I thought you were going to say:
What are the most powerful people in DC doing hanging out at this creepy pizza parlor and doing fundraising events there?
We all know where Hillary goes for "real" money: The Saudis, Goldman Sachs, billionaires' glitzy summer compounds in the Hamptons,
places like that-you know, where the money is.
So WTF is she doing in one of these pizza joints? Why would there be any real money there?
With creepy, tawdry "artwork" on the walls?
Something here does not pass the smell test.
I'm intrigued by the Anna Racoon stuff, but I found it completely incoherent. Could you explain what these claims are, and
why they should be taken seriously?
Re Sir Savile and Satanic child sex abuse, at least two victims gave entirely credible and consistent accounts. Here's a mainstream
source:
Agreed. Often one wonders why such outrageous decisions are made in politics that clearly contradict the public good and one
wonders, why? This topic goes a long way to explaining the why. I'm not so sure if the investigating of it is the hard part or
the broad exposure, but it needs to happen.
I am probably more tolerant of 'deviates' than most on here. Queers don't bother me much, though I would recommend that they
be more discreet and stop the promotion of their peccadilloes as normal. When it comes to children, even teenagers, I am very
strict about them not being able to give consent and should be treated with respect, if not revered, by all adults with no exceptions.
There is enough smoke here for a thorough investigation to be demanded and carried out. I hope nothing less ensues.
The fact that it is considered NORMAL for Hillary to invite Lena Dunham to the DNC speaks for itself. The fact that Newsweek
celebrated Obama with a gay 'halo' speaks for itself. The fact that churches hang 'homo flags' speaks for itself.
It is a sick nation.
Yep. I don't have to look any further then this perv Alefantis. This is what you get when sodomy is legal. Of course this craven
bastard makes all kinds of snarky degenerate comments about children on his instagram
Society has been desensitized to homosexuality- so they have moved on to the "prize".
You have hit it out of the park as usual, I enjoy and concur with your assesments.
I believe I saw the instagram account of Alefantis before it came down. The girl pictured in several images seems to be the
child of a family friend. I thought the taped to the table image and the other pic with #chickenlover tag were at a minimum indicators
of a dark humor or innuendo. Who finds this sort of thing funny?
There were more pics of infants and a doll with creepy tags like #hoetard and suggestive comments, again, indicating a level of
casual comfort with making implied references to pedophilia. ..wink wink.
Gross, at a minimum. But evidence of a ring? I don't understand why Alefantis doesn't just acknowledge that there is an "appearance"
of sick humor.
Regarding the use of supposedly known pedo symbols- I'm skeptical. These are shapes and motifs we see everywhere. It could
be that the pedo symbol inventors purposely chose designs that would easily coincide with innocent use so as to hide in plain
sight. Or hmm ?
Podesta is definitely using code in his emails but my read was that he's talking about drugs and partying. Didn't we all use
"pizza" at one time or another as a reference to party favors back in the day?
The Podestas have bad taste in art. Not a crime, just a general indicator of regular degenerately "hip" tastes so as to impress
the cool kids?
And yet no one clears the air. And this is disturbing. I have yet to read one Wapo or nyt article denouncing the "witch hunt"
but acknowledging that, yes, it looks bad. Because it really does.
Incidentally, if they haven't been faked, one of Alefantis' instagram commenters is the maker of child sized coffin coffee
tables. Nice.
"What if criminal deviancy rather than disqualifying a person, is not instead some weird prerequisite for elite status? Don't
have to worry about rock throwers if they're inside the same glass house.Blackmail seems as good an explanation as any for things
like John Roberts sudden change of heart on the constitutionality of the Obama care mandate."
This fits Occam's Razor. I would go so far as to say that pedophilia blackmail appears to have been a method of political control
since the days of the British Empire. Much like gang membership, participation is required for entrance into the inner circles
of political power, then used as blackmail to enforce conformity and secrecy.
Interestingly, there is a recent episode of "The Black Mirror," a Netflix show, that addresses this very psychology.
There is a rather informative article in the WaPo about Pizzagate and its potential (mass-)psychological origins.
It actually indirectly and temporarily "blames" over-zealous feminists with being the originators of the this moral panic. Quite
interesting, but of course the article/author reverts back to Trump-bashing, etc. in the end.
What the Pizzagate conspiracy theory borrows from a bogus satanic sex panic of the 1980s
Second, in both cases, social movements were involved in the weaponization of suspicion, although the political center of
gravity has shifted from one episode to the next. In the late 1970s, social workers and feminist activists had focused on
combating child sexual abuse; they sometimes developed extremely broad definitions of abuse or floated exaggerated estimates
of its occurrence in this quest. Such efforts have left deep cultural residues, and these include the acceptance of exaggerated
claims about the number of child trafficking victims, and the incidence and forms of organized child sexual abuse. Pizzagate
relies on these inflated fears to seem plausible, and it similarly relies on a viewpoint marked by extreme suspicion (of the
media, Washington "elites," politicians and the Clinton camp specifically) to decode ordinary events and statements into extraordinary
claims.
A moral panic is a feeling of fear spread among a large number of people that some evil threatens the well-being of society.[1][2]
A Dictionary of Sociology defines a moral panic as "the process of arousing social concern over an issue – usually the work of
moral entrepreneurs and the mass media."[3] – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic
We know all about "Hysteria", but why did the artist use a decapitated male if not to possibly conflate this in the
viewers mind with the atrocities of Dalmer?
What about the other degenerate art, such as the child bondage spankees posing in the easy- to -clean tiled torture chambers?
Some of us will never accept homosexuality as an "alternative" lifestyle.
The fact that Alefantis is a homo; who by dint of his perverse sexuality- has achieved some level of notoriety prior to pizzagate-
is certainly part of the underlying rancor towards him.
Incredibly generous of you to quote WaPo as a credible source. I would have done the same at one time but that was ages ago.
BB753 asks why haven't the Posdestas sued? I would ask why haven't they at the very least stepped forward to offer a simple
explanation for what most agree is code in the emails?
I would suggest a possibility that blowing the lid off on this exposes exactly how certain "lobby" groups maintain control
of the wheelhouse of the US ship of state, and have consistently steered it into troubled waters against the national interest.
Wiz, a simple typo that my computer ran with (very observant of you).
Pizzagate is not "fake news" at all. It needs to be investigated.
The MSM says it does not disseminate "fake news". However, the MSM will often simply not cover events that ARE real news.
Thus, the MSM is disseminating the opposite of "fake news", namely NO NEWS. The MSM keeps people in the dark because there
things that it does not want people to know about. For example, the MSM will often not cover stories about how the LGBTQ movement
is brainwashing kids in even the lowest grade in public elementary schools. That's because the MSM does not want people to become
upset at the penetration (no pun intended) of the LGBTQ agenda.
In reality, there is relatively little "fake news" out there. Most alternative websites that people visit, such as Unz, simply
provide a different perspective on issues that the MSM won't cover at all, or cover in a cursory manner.
Classic disinfo technique, to seed the truth with a few lies that are provably false so that then the whole thing can be claimed
to be false and written off.
I don't know about the Podestas but as others here have rightly stated, there's enough smoke for a thorough, open investigation.
Coincidently, the anti-Russian rhetoric has escalated to an even more absurd degree alongside the Pizzagate news. I wonder
if the result will be even less people believing the blatant lies of mass media or if people will just demonstrate that there
are no limits to gullibility.
I saw a headline on CNN.com claiming Russia was attempting to smear people by 'planting' child pornography on their computers.
I didn't bother reading it, as CNN is a Gawker level news source these days, but it seems like they may attempt to blame this
stuff on Russia – along with everything else.
Here's another sex scandal (and a certifiably real one) involving a prominent Canadian who turned out to be a pedaphile. There's
a lot in this story that's revealing and fascinating.
Such a disturbing story. But instructive. In particular the information, or perhaps it is a speculation, that the pedophiliac
sexual drive develops early on. This drive must be incredibly strong-stronger than what would be considered normal sexual desire?
I don't know. But I have read that it is so strong that pedophiles make major life choices in terms of finding a way to get access
to children to use sexually. Such as marrying: so they can father their own children and have them handy for abuse. Or entering
a profession, such as the priesthood, or pediatrics, or education, etc. so that they have access to children. Or becoming sports
coaches, where they spend a lot of time in locker rooms and also have blandishments to offer young boys such as sports career
advances. Etc.
I think this point-the power of the drive-should be taken into account when people such as some commenters on this thread say:
"These people [such as Podesta} are too intelligent to risk their careers blah blah." If the pedophilia drive is as strong as,
say, a heroin addiction, then the addiction is in the driver's seat, not "intelligence." The more you feed an addiction, the stronger
it gets, and the more stimulation it takes to get the charge.
As for the sprinkling of a few lies in with a story that is targeted for debunking: In a normal police investigation the police
solicit leads from the public. (It is true that in this case there is not an obvious victim, so that must also be taken into account;
but this was also the situation with the Ben Levin [Toronto] case; nevertheless what he did was criminal and dangerous.) They
examine the leads and follow them up. This is detectives' job.
Often an obscure lead does lead to further useful information needed to build a hypothesis of the motive-means-opportunity
for the crime and widen the scope of an investigation. Every American with a TV set has seen hundred of such police procedurals
showing how crimes have been solved, often cold cases. Bona fide detectives who get leads from the public don't immediately start
to smear the source of leads as looney-tunes. In this case the public, in the face of apparent inaction by law enforcement to
follow up on this case, is responding by posting ideas and hypotheses and possible leads.
An honest law enforcement agency would be conducting an aggressive investigation and checking out any useful info and ideas
that members of the public come up with, whether online or off. Honest news outlets should either be calling for a thorough investigation,
or staying mum if they have been informed that an investigation is ongoing. The fact that the MSM, absent any sign of an investigation,
are blaring out the "nothing here; move on; blogger are rabid fools" message is in itself suspicious and suggests that someone
is being protected. The MSM have put out just enough info to warn the possible wrongdoers to get their act together, change their
signage, and run for cover.
The fact that the MSM, absent any sign of an investigation, are blaring out the "nothing here; move on; blogger are rabid
fools" message is in itself suspicious and suggests that someone is being protected. The MSM have put out just enough info
to warn the possible wrongdoers to get their act together, change their signage, and run for cover.
My feeling exactly. Too much volume, no doubts, too orchestrated and nothing being investigated, in fact just like WMD, and
9/11.
I believe that Pizzagate is a Trojan Horse being pushed into Alt-Right internet circles by Hillary/Soros' former CTR trolls
in order to help the Democrats and the MSM continue to flog the "fake news" narrative. The idea behind it is to enable them to
say, "Look, you see what kind of crazy conspiracies those Alt-Righters consume and repeat amongst themselves? This is the kind
of fake news believing nutjobs we're up against." If you think back upon the history of the meme (I hate that word, but I have
no other to use in its place), you'll find that its original and most vocal proponents were exhibiting clear trolling behavior.
Given their flaky commenting histories, their pretended expertise on this then-obscure topic, their ostentatious expressions of
optimism that this breaking news would ensure a Trump victory (itself a rather obsequious and scarcely believable attempt to paint
themselves as one of our number), and their single-minded determination to talk about (and to get us talking about) nothing else,
one can only suspect the presence of some sort of agenda behind their sudden exuberance over Pizzagate.
I believe we are up against a new and rather sophisticated sort of Concern Troll here-a veritable Stuxnet of concern trolling.
A perfect example here at the Unz Review is the poster "anonguy". Look at his commenting history. Look at the sudden acceleration
of his offerings as Election Day neared. And then look at his militant megaphoning of the Pizzagate narrative all over Sailer's
blog in the days immediately preceding the election. Furthermore, pay attention to his unusual style, i.e. how he structures
his comments as detached musings about the goings-on in the "infosphere" (his word), how he jejunely assures us the "the narrative
is forming" (yes, he actually said that, and at a time when there was no narrative to speak of), and his links to literally
fake news sites (the Denver Guardian? Give me a break). Now tell me that this is the behavior of someone who actually has
the health of the body politic as his primary objective.
Now, after having sifted all that, do try to remember that the larger general public really doesn't know or care anything at
all about Pizzagate, and that the leaked Podesta emails (all 37,000 of them, or whatever the final tally was) influenced the vote
of precisely no one who did not have the time or inclination to read through them all, which is practically every one of us. Remember
that the only people talking about this in the first place are the Alt-Right bloggers and their followers, the very venues of
"fake news" whom the Left is attempting to discredit and sully. Remember that the Clintons and Soros specialize in public deception
and that they employ all sorts of people for that very purpose. Now consider who is rendered vulnerable by all of this. It isn't
going to be the Clintons or Podesta. If Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted for trafficking in state secrets from her private server-a
crime for which she should have been executed- then Podesta is not going to be investigated for this. But you all, on the other
hand, have been tainted with it. You have been successfully associated in the public mind with a "conspiracy theory," with the
"fake news."
My conclusion: Pizzagate is a "thought worm" designed to infect, distract, and destroy the Alt-Right, and most of you have
been infected with it. This is not to say that there is no pedophilia going on in Podesta's circle. There may be or there may
not be, I really don't know. The point is that there isn't anything you can do about it. The accusations will be turned
against the accusers instead-classic Clinton behavior. It would be better not to take the bait anymore. Recent history has demonstrated
over and over again that the public is not going to rise up with one voice and clamor for the punishment even of credibly accused
child molesters unless there is something more to be gained from doing so, and in this case there clearly isn't. What this says
about the spiritual state of the modern West or the psychology of fallen mankind are subjects I will leave for another discussion.
For now it is simply a fact of life with which we have to account. The only way to beat these people is the Chicago Way: hit them
harder than they hit you. We dealt them a stunning blow by electing Donald Trump, but now we are in danger of losing our advantage
by immersing ourselves in a mire of toothless recriminations, and this is exactly what they want. Let's not fall for this again;
let us rather rekindle the spirit that got us this far, and take these vile people down once and for all.
The Washington Post found the funds to assign 27 investigative reporters for over a year to dig dirt on Trump, and bragged
about it. Judging by what they came up with, it wasn't too fruitful.
First you say the entire pizzagate meme is fake and it's fakery will undo the alt-right. Then you say that you can't do anything
about pedophilia anyway, pizzagate or otherwise.
Which is it? Is the story fake and thereby discrediting to those who support it, or is it real but pointless to cover because
you can't do anything about it?
Then you suggest we do this "the Chicago way" which is hitting harder than them whatever that means. If you are not going to
open investigations against these people, then what does "hitting harder" entail?
There is no way that Soros or anyone else is going to construct an elaborate criminal conspiracy out of whole cloth and tag
one of his own loyal operatives.
I agree.
Intelligent's comment looks to me like an elaborate misdirection.
All such blah blah gets no one any closer to an answer as to what is behind the coded language in the Wikileaks emails.
It is a classic example of throwing up a convolution of dust to obscure the smoking emails.
Stick to the evidence.
Ignore irrelevant baroque musings.
You make some good points but have missed the real issue entirely. Whilst I and many others here DO care about pedos and want
them locked away from society, what makes this matter much more important is that it involves many top level power brokers in
politics.
Pedophilia is more of a compulsion rather than addiction, why matters less than the fact that recidivism is the norm and society
deserves protection both from the crime itself and from the crimes of blackmail that can result from knowledge of it..
Blackmail is a very powerful tool in the work of pure evil and is the reason why even Marines and Embassy guards have restrictions
on who they may or may not consort with whilst on active foreign postings. I would estimate that there is no greater threat of
exposure than one of sexually exploiting children. Even hardened criminals have contempt for such perverts who are usually granted
special protection when incarcerated.
I would venture the suggestion that people with a compulsion towards sexual contact with children are identified early in their
careers and consequently put forward for rapid progress within government institutions by those working behind the scene to exercise
control over others with decision making capacity in the highest levels of government.
This is not a matter to be swept away if the swamp is to be drained, rather, this may well be where the "plughole" to the swamp
itself is to be uncovered. It will require a special investigation team but not one like the Warren Commission or 9/11 "Investigation",
a real investigation. Americans should settle for nothing less and it is incumbent of them to demand it.
This is not a matter to be swept away if the swamp is to be drained, rather, this may well be where the "plughole" to the
swamp itself is to be uncovered.
I'm willing to believe something pretty sordid is required to keep the bung hole as tightly plugged as it is and I can't imagine
anything else creating a more tightly woven, impenetrable web of mutual blackmail. Imagine what they have on each other, and imagine
what foreign intelligence services could do with same if they got hold of it. Come to think of it, maybe they have
America must get to the bung, dislodge it and deal with the stench that will cover the country for a generation. Until then,
America can't hope to be great again.
This makes a lot of sense.
That string pullers are on the lookout for rising political stars who can be compromised along the way.
Hmmmmm . . .
Seems like a lot of political families have dynastic aspirations. That would mean that such offspring might be natural targets
for monitoring for any "quirks."
Craig Spence's call boy business in Washington clearly involved high civilian and military officials. And Spence was able to
take friends on midnight tours of the White House.
Spence's house was provided by the Japanese ruling party. The house they provided him had at least one bedroom wired for audio
and video. I'm sure the Japanese didn't know that.
The Washington Times covered it for two or three weeks and it was never mentioned again.
Kids from Boys Town in Nebraska were allegedly used.
Unpack that and hope your hair doesn't turn white.
"Nobody is suggesting a rush to judgement here but clearly a prompt and thorough investigation is called for especially given
the supporting evidence, as other commenters have pointed out."
Really.
If the putative "circumstantial evidence" that Russia-no! Putin himself!!-interfered in the American election suffices to launch
the CIA on a nutty investigation whose purpose is, obviously, to "prove" that this is the case to the satisfaction of enough electors
for them to become "faithless," then I think the Pizzagate emails plus "circumstantial" Pizzagate evidence are by comparison much
more compelling and really scream for an investigation. In the Pizzagate case the investigating agency would presumably be the
FBI. Which *might* be grounds to expect a genuine investigation.
No reasonable person would think that the emails really are about Podesta's playing dominos and having cheese for dinner. quite
apart from the fact that cheese is usually mixed in with pasta!! Come on. I bet Podesta doesn't know how to play the game of dominos.
What are these people really emailing about?
For U.S. readers to gauge whether something like this COULD be happening in an advanced country, look to other countries where
such incidents ARE known to have happened.
In Belgium, the Marc DUTROUX scandal led to political consequences and appears to be ongoing.
In the UK, the claims against Ted Heath and Cyril Smith (see picture of both in article linked below) are broadly seen as having
at least some factual basis, and were reported in a number of newspapers including the Independent, the Guardian and the Daily
Mail (see link below). Other names were rumored about.
There were also years of investigations and cover-ups involving various orphanages such as KINCORA (in Northern Ireland) and
HAUTE GARENNE (on the Isle of Jersey). Both were conveniently located in somewhat remote locations outside the direct reach of
English law.
There were also extensive rumors regarding several locations in London. Investigations were accompanied by the usual fortuitous
deaths of potential witnesses, mysterious disappearance of documents, etc.
To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been
to defend "Pizzagate" as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations
levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has revealed no intriguing information at all-for a specific reason, which
I will be honing in and focusing on much more directly in this closing entry.
Whereas the mainstream critics of Pizzagate would have you believe that the world is divided between paranoid conspiracy
theorist followers of "fake news" and level-headed people who follow trustworthy news sources and rely on cold, hard reason
to determine the truth, my goal has been to show that-whatever is or is not happening with Pizzagate itself-this framing of
the issue is arrogant, insulting, and the product of extremely narrow tunnel vision. [...]
And if the media is telling you only about the most bizarre, reaching accusations without telling you any of the more
interesting points that have been uncovered (which it is), it is not doing its proper job."
If in fact making all the "elite" blackmailable is the object of the exercise and at the same time being blackmailable is the
requisite entry ticket to the elite, then not all the people taking part in all this sinister deviancy need be actual pedophiles!
Some of them could be "merely" psychopaths furthering their careers. (Not that that makes them any better.)
If this story is what it appears to be – the tip of a very nasty and very large iceberg, then it could be the mechanism by
which the "Deep State" keeps its control of the US government. That would make getting an investigation by official investigators
going, very difficlt indeed.
If in fact making all the "elite" blackmailable is the object of the exercise and at the same time being blackmailable is
the requisite entry ticket to the elite, then not all the people taking part in all this sinister deviancy need be actual pedophiles!
Some of them could be "merely" psychopaths furthering their careers.
Well, I don't really have anything to contribute to the "Pizzagate" discussion myself, except to say that some of the supposed
evidence plus the behavior of the media makes me very, *very* suspicious.
However, here's a somewhat related paragraph from one of the articles I published a year or two ago:
An obvious problem with installing puppet rulers is the risk that they will attempt to cut their strings, much like Putin
soon outmaneuvered and exiled his oligarch patron Boris Berezovsky. One means of minimizing such risk is to select puppets
who are so deeply compromised that they can never break free, knowing that the political self-destruct charges buried deep
within their pasts could easily be triggered if they sought independence.
I have sometimes joked with my friends that perhaps the best career move for an ambitious young politician would be to secretly
commit some monstrous crime and then make sure that the hard evidence of his guilt ended up in the hands of certain powerful
people, thereby assuring his rapid political rise.
This is ALL about the child trafficing that the Clinton-Bush Foundation was doing in Haiti. It is the weakpoint in a global
child trafficing network and it is why the Clinton-Bush Foundation has taken down their website and are attempting to cover up
any traces of it as we speak. Trump knows.
Anyone who believes that it is ludicrous to think that pizzerias could be used for such nefarious operations, I 'd like to
point out to you the case of "The French Connection" which later became known as "The Pizza Connection" in which a huge global
network of pizzerias were being used to distribute drugs in the 1980′s.
Anyone who believes that the pedophile code is purely circumstantial needs to take a look at the Katy Perry video "This Is
How We Do" which appears to be an homage to Comet Pizza. It is absolutely rife with the code words from the Podesta emails revealed
by Pizzagate. They prance around with convicted sex offender, who plea bargained out of a child porn charge, Pee-Wee Herman(
http://people.com/celebrity/pee-wee-actor-settles-kiddie-porn-case/
) singing about "this is how they do" and "it's no big deal".
Here is a video "Kids" by the group MGMT. The quote at the beginning of the video is from the quintessential Satanist Nietzsche("Free
spirits", by contrast to the philosophers of the past, are "investigators to the point of cruelty, with rash fingers for the ungraspable,
with teeth and stomach for the most indigestible"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil ). The video shows them bragging about how prevalent they are through our
community. The "do as thou wilt" bastards are laughing at us about how they control positions of authority like policemen(3:36
of video) and how childrens TV programs are filled with their garbage of wolves in sheeps clothing(4:24 of video). And of course
the Pizza and Hot Dog symbology throughout the end which culminates with them eating the child. This trash has 77 million views
on Youtube.
Here is the video "Criminal" by Fiona Apple. It is all about placing the blame on the victim, by saying that the victim enticed
the pedo scum, instead of the perpetrator. This homage to Child Porn makes great pains to highlight Pizza(:21 and :38 of the video)
and tiled kill rooms with easy clean-up(:45 of the video and blood stains on carpet at :48 and :54).
The lyrics from "In Bloom":
Sell the kids for food. Weather changes moods. Spring is here again. Reproductive Glands. We can have some more. Nature is
a whore. Bruises on the fruit. Tender age in bloom . But he don't know what it means when I say "Yummmmmm"
It should be noted that there are two versions of this song. The original one has the Yummmmm heard at the end at 4:15 in this
version.
Some potential victims of James Alefantis have been identified and one gave an anonymous testimony.
What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story
indeed is true:
[...]
It turns out that Carole's son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon.
He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious
because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James
viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.
The story checks out, so far: Carole Greenwood is a single mom and has a son named Dylan, who was 13 years old/young in
2003. [...] [–] daj 16 points (+16|-0) 11 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)
Disclaimer : I have absolutely no idea if this person is authentic, but since many Pizzagate critics argue
that the scandal has not a leg to stand on, because no victims have come forward so far, I believe this testimony is important
to share.
[...]
This is how he answered one of the questions on a voat comment thread. He seems to know/be aware of Dylan Greenwood
[...]
Here is one of the email exchanges between he and James Alefantis, that he did not delete:
http://archive.is/8423t
[...]
After a little while when it was nearing the final exams, I was stressed out, exhausted and let my guard down and went out
for some drinks with James a few times after work to get stuff off my chest. James would drug me up and then take advantage
of me. When I threatened to go to the police he implied that he would harm me physically and said he would sue me. He had so
many friends around DC that I believed him, I really was afraid, and just kept it all bottled up. I ended up getting PTSD,
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, from what were effectively rapes, and later I began to realize that I likely had Stockholm
Syndrome. I eventually quit the job, but James would send me lewd photos and texts for another 2 or three years at the rate
of once about every 2 to 3 months, I think 6 months was the longest in that period. I had to kick him out of the place I worked
when he came in every other month or so for about a year. Let this be a lesson: do not trust sociopaths and pathological liars.
Note: I have personally verified this person's identity and backstory. I obviously cannot verify his accusations. He
wishes to remain anonymous.
By now, most people are at least vaguely familiar with the so-called "fake news" story known as Pizzagate. For those that
aren't, the brief version is that self described "internet investigators" caught wind of some strange wording in the John Podesta
emails released by Wikileaks, and went down the largest internet rabbit hole in recent history.
The story was quickly written off as mass hysteria, a conspiracy theory, and fake news by nearly all of mainstream media,
and censored from the internet forum site Reddit. The theory, which has a plethora of circumstantial evidence, lacked one key
factor: a victim. [...] The anonymous nature of internet forums leads to skeptics demanding proof of any seemingly outrageous
claim. The publication of these emails adds credibility to his story.
"... A judge threw out Guiffre's motion in 2015, but Guiffre stands by her claims and is suing Ghislaine Maxwell, whom she claims acted as Epstein's madam. ..."
"... Buckingham Palace has also denied the allegations against Prince Andrew, calling them "categorically untrue. ..."
"... Requests for comment to Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Clinton Foundation were not returned. The former president, who flew on the "The Lolita Express" at least 26 times from 2001 to 2003, has never addressed his ties with Epstein, a onetime major Democratic donor, according to Federal Election Commission records, who also gave millions to the Clinton Foundation even after his arrest for abusing underage girls. ..."
Trump's supporters have long wondered whether he'd use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons-until a
lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein's girls himself. Editor's note: This article has been updated to
reflect the withdrawal of Virginia Roberts Guiffre's allegations against Alan Dershowitz and the striking of the allegations from
the court record by a federal judge. For Jeffrey Epstein and his famous friends, the Aughts were a simpler time, when the businessmen,
academics, and celebrities who counted themselves among the playboy philanthropist's inner circle could freely enjoy the fruits of
his extreme wealth and connections. Epstein's
little black book
and flight
logs read like a virtual Who's Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey,
Prince Andrew , and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein's private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went
to visit Epstein's island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at
epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse-then
the largest privately owned residence in New York, as
he liked to brag .
There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein's opulent decor, and
noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself. But a darker story was going
on underneath the glamour. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting
sex from an underage girl and quietly paid settlements to scores of alleged victims who said he serially molested them.
But the girls kept coming out of the woodwork-in 2014, another young woman filed a lawsuit claiming that Epstein used her as a sex
slave for his powerful friends-and that she'd been at parties on his private island with former President Clinton. And just last
week, yet another "Jane Doe" filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties
when she was only 13.
... ... ...
By the time Epstein was arrested in 2008, police in Palm Beach County, Florida, had already
spent months monitoring his movements, rifling through his trash, and interviewing potential victims and witnesses. Police
reported to prosecutors that they had gathered
enough evidence to charge the money manager with several felonies: lewd and lascivious molestation and four counts of unlawful sexual
activity with a minor. Epstein's freedom, his wealth, his little black book full of famous folk-including princes, presidents, and
prime ministers-all were seemingly at stake.
So Epstein did what the mega-rich do in these situations: hired star attorneys Gerald Lefcourt and Alan Dershowitz, who defended
their client vigorously, reportedly having witnesses followed and discrediting the alleged victims by offering their MySpace pages
as evidence of supposed drug use and scandalous behavior.
Prosecutors said Epstein's dream team made successful prosecution unlikely. "Our judgment in this case, based on the evidence
known at the time, was that it was better to have a billionaire serve time in jail, register as a sex offender, and pay his victims
restitution than risk a trial with a reduced likelihood of success," U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta explained in a 2011 letter.
And so, despite a decade of alleged serial sexual abuse and rape of an unknowable number of girls, some as many as 100 times according
to court filings, the notoriously secretive financier was offered a deal. For the alleged systematic victimization of young girls-most
of whom were plucked by Epstein's assistants from Palm Beach's poorer neighborhoods and groomed to adore or acquiesce to him-he was
slapped with a 2008 conviction on a single charge of soliciting a minor; and sentenced to an 18-month stay in a Palm Beach county
jail-of which he served only 13 months and was allowed to leave six days out of every week for "work release." He also agreed to
a few dozen confidential, out-of-court payoffs to his accusers, the most recent of which was finalized in 2011.
Epstein's "potential co-conspirators," as the U.S. Attorney called them-women who allegedly procured girls for Epstein-also received
immunity from prosecution as a condition of the 2007 agreement that enraged the local police force for its leniency. As of 2015,
according to The Guardian, two of these women had changed their names, and were operating businesses out of a building owned by Epstein's
brother, where it was alleged in court documents that Epstein had housed young women.
Though Epstein must register as a sex offender for life, and arguably suffer the world's most revolting Google presence, he has
seemingly retained his collection of elite academic and media friends as well as his fortune. Since his release in 2009, Epstein
has gone about his business, running a mysterious money management firm (clients unknown, income unknown, investments and activities
unknown) from his private 70-acre island in the U.S. Virgin Islands and spending time at his Uptown stone mansion. The palace was
gifted to Epstein, some say, by its previous owner-Epstein's guardian angel and the founder of The Limited Inc., Leslie Wexner.
... ... ...
In December 2014, just as the Palm Beach lawsuits were winding down, another alleged victim emerged and her claims were salacious:
Epstein, she said, had loaned her out as an underage sex slave to his famous friends -- including Britain's Prince Andrew and Epstein
defense attorney Dershowitz (both men denied the charges). Coming forward in Britain's
Daily Mail in 2011, Virginia Roberts Guiffre-called Jane Doe #3 in a related lawsuit (
PDF )-claimed that
Epstein and his "girlfriend,"
alleged
madame Ghislaine Maxwell, forced her to have sex with the pair's powerful pals and gather intel that Epstein could later
use. In court documents,
Guiffre testified, "Epstein and Maxwell also told me that they wanted me to produce things for them in addition to performing
sex on the men. They told me to pay attention to the details about what the men wanted so I could report back to them."
Guiffre noted that
Epstein appeared to be collecting information on Prince Andrew-particularly on his alleged foot fetish-and claimed, "Epstein also
trafficked me for sexual purposes to other powerful men, including politicians and powerful business executives. Epstein required
me to describe the sexual events I had with these men presumably so that he could potentially blackmail them. I am still very fearful
of these men today." A judge threw out Guiffre's motion in 2015, but Guiffre stands by her claims and is suing Ghislaine Maxwell,
whom she claims acted as Epstein's madam. Meanwhile, the men named by Guiffre seem eager for her to go away. "It's as if I've
been waterboarded for 15 months," Dershowitz told the
Boston Globe after the settlement of a defamation case related to Guiffre's claims. "This has taken a terrible
toll on my family, on my friends " Buckingham Palace has also
denied the allegations against Prince Andrew, calling them "categorically untrue."
UPDATE: This April, Giuffre's lawyers withdrew her allegations against Dershowitz and said that it was a "mistake" to have
filed the accusations in the first place. A federal judge later struck her allegations against Dershowitz from the court record.
At Dershowitz's request, Louis Freeh, the former head of the FBI, also conducted an independent investigation of her claims and published
a statement noting, "Our investigation found no evidence to support the accusations of sexual misconduct against Professor Dershowitz."
In her lawsuit, Guiffre had claimed that during trips to Epstein's private island, she'd also encountered another very famous
person: former President Bill Clinton. Guiffre
alleges the former
U.S. president visited Epstein's "Orgy Island" when there were underage girls present, but added that she never had sex with him
and never saw him have sex with any of the young women. Still, it's these sorts of allegations that have journalists and Clinton-haters
circling. Just last month, pundits on MSNBC's
Morning Joe were speculating about Bill Clinton's oft-discussed friendship with Epstein and whether it would
be the go-to play for a Trump campaign looking to combat Hillary Clinton's claims that Trump is
bad for women .
Requests for comment to Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Clinton Foundation were not returned. The former president, who
flew on the
"The Lolita Express" at least 26 times from 2001 to 2003, has never addressed his ties with Epstein, a onetime major Democratic donor, according
to Federal Election Commission records, who also
gave
millions to the Clinton Foundation even after his arrest for abusing underage girls.
"I invest in people-be it politics or science. It's what I do," Epstein has
reportedly said to friends. "There's a 100 percent
chance [Trump] is going there," said former McCain strategist Steve Schmidt on Morning Joe , referring to Clinton's friendship
with the pervy moneyman.
Cornell professor, and long-time friend, David Collum recently appeared on an episode of
the
Quoth the Raven podcast
to talk all things
conspiracy. Collum is an economic commentator, chemist, Betty R. Miller Professor of Chemistry and
Chemical Biology at Cornell University and is known for writing his "Year in Review", which appears
here on Zerohedge
at the end of every year.
On the episode, host Chris Irons notes that
Collum's appearance was prompted by a recent Tweet he put out, in defense of being a conspiracy
theorist which sparked a massive social media response and outpouring of reactions, both pro and
con.
On the podcast, Collum and host Chris Irons tap into every major conspiracy theory over the last
couple of decades, as well as several current events and the world of finance.
Some highlights:
Collum Thinks Jeffrey Epstein Could Have Been Working For "Powerful People" And "Setting
People Up"
The discussion starts with analysis of the current Jeffrey Epstein fiasco and Collum ponders
what "can of worms" could open for Bill Clinton and Donald Trump as a result of Epstein going to
trial and documents relating to his indictment coming to light.
"It's going to be bi-partisan," Collum says about the Epstein allegations. "Epstein was working
for powerful people, to get dirt on powerful people. Epstein wasn't just a dirtball, he was setting
people up," he continues.
Collum comments:
"Nowadays getting photographed on a boat with a blonde sitting on your lap doesn't even
cause you to lose a vote. Now they gotta get you with something much dirtier. I think that's
where the underage kids come in. I think Epstein has been building a portfolio of dirt, like J.
Edgar Hoover."
"What if that crazy ass pizzagate conspiracy turns out to be true?" he asks.
* * *
Collum Doesn't Buy The 9/11 Narrative - "Physics Tells Me There's Problems"
Collum then discusses why he doesn't believe the mainstream narrative behind the 9/11 attacks.
He cites physics, Building 7 and the lack of video footage of the plane crashing into the Pentagon
as two of the big reasons that he questions the official story.
"I think there's problems with 9/11, but no one wants to say that because they're embarrassed
to say that. But the laws of physics tell me there's problems. I don't give a shit about the
squibs or Larry Silverstein saying they decided to pull the building. When I watch two towers
come down perfectly and I go 'chaos theory alone says they should have gone asymmetric and
stopped tumbling'..."
Collum continues:
""
I can't believe Building 7 should have fallen
. There's really not a shred of
footage of the plane hitting the pentagon. Not one frame. The official frame isn't a frame. If
someone's got the footage, let me see it."
There's conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact... important
distinction... The Congressional 9/11 Inquiry strongly points to
CIA- FBI collaboration with the Saudis (the 28 pages redacted by
Bush) to stage the 9/11 Terror Spectacle...
I am a "conspiracy theorist". I believe men and women of wealth
and power conspire. If you don't think so, then you are what is
called "an idiot". If you believe stuff but fear the label, you
are what is called "a coward".
I was on Yahoo commenting on a stupid article about Trump and some
Kurdish lady asking for asylum. All the comments were anti-Trump.
I posted a couple of above board comments and they were all
erased. Yahoo articles are heavily censored and bots are posting
most of their liberal views. I wonder how long before sites like
ZeroHedge will last.
Jeffrey Epstein's former IT contractor, Steve Scully, says that he ended his business
relationship with the 66-year-old pedophile over hordes of young women all over his infamous
private island, as well as an extensive collection of photographs depicting topless women
displayed in the island's various compounds , according to Good Morning America.
... ... ...
Scully told ABC News that he owned and operated a telecommunications business
on nearby St. Thomas island when he was hired by Epstein to set up a communications network on
Little St. James, also known as 'Pedo Island.' He visited the island over 100 times, and says
that his memories of Epstein are 'vivid.'
" He was the most intense person I ever met ," said Scully.
Epstein wanted phone or internet access nearly everywhere on the 72-acre island, Scully
said, including in a secluded cove that the financier referred to as "the grotto." Given his
work in high-volume financial trading, Scully said, Epstein "never wanted a call to drop"
because of weak digital coverage on the island .
The island's primary compound was arranged in a "Danish style" layout -- with individual
bedroom suites in individual buildings surrounding a courtyard, Scully recalled, including a
pair of large cockatoo statues lording over the island's gardens. He said that at one point,
he recalled Epstein wanting to change the name of the island from "Little St. James" to
"Little Saint Jeff."
According to Scully, that the strange 'temple' structure was actually a gym , which
contained a massive framed photo of a topless woman.
Yes, Epstein and Maxwell were obviously operating a major "sex trafficking" operation that
involved plenty of girls who were underage.
But Epstein was also, in effect, operating a bordello. A whore house. One assumes that any
man who "paid" to be in Epstein's company, had his choice of women or girls.
This is why these places are so "out of the way" and secluded. The island and the ranch in
New Mexico.
On season St Thomas is awash in bimbo tourists from all over the US & Europe
Ask the St Thomas police how many are reported missing and the estimate of those never
reported. Cruise ships don't care..they leave. Airplane don't wait. The assumption is that
they got drunk or went native. If they don't show up somewhere looking for a ride home, is
any one really looking for them ? Inquiring minds would like to know.
Offer them a party on a PRIVATE Island !..A helicopter or boat ride ! Keep em fed..$2.00 a
quart duty free rum...keeping the island stocked with bimbos is the easy part...especially
for his less discerning quests. Now the " prime stock " of young uns is a different matter
but just keeping a " horde " of bimbos in stock is a breeze for his staff.
When they get stale or become troublesome...drop them back on St Thomas and let the
authorities send them back to whence they came with a nice annual retainer to the local
constabulary. Rounding up drunks and miscreants and putting them on airplanes is routine duty
in island life
I'm sure New Mexico offers the same opportunities and that has its own airstrip.
It seems that Vanity Fair is taking the lead in producing informative articles about
Epstein's "world."
I gather from a recent story that The Miami Herald might, in fact, be trying to "follow
the money."
Both good developments. The more "mainstream" journalists who get involved - and score
"scoops" and produce content with big audiences - the more other news organizations might
say, "Let's join in and do the same thing."
That's when big stories get exposed - when a pack of journalists and news organizations
are simultaneously pursuing different avenues of the same story.
... I still haven't seen a story where authorities explain why they haven't arrested
Ghislaine Maxwell or raided the islands or the ranch in New Mexico . So it's not like the
press is actually "fishing where the (big) fish are." At least not yet.
... But they might be getting closer to going here.
Vanity Fair: You started digging into Jeffrey Epstein after writing The Franklin
Scandal. What are some of the similarities you found?
Nick Bryant: That book is a template for what's happening now and how high up it
goes. A major parallel between the two stories is that Lawrence King, who was one of the
primary pimps of this pedophile network I wrote about, and Jeffrey Epstein, they were both
flying children interstate, and they had both done it with impunity for a number of years. In
both instances you have officials who were unwilling to back down. In Epstein, you had the Palm
Beach Police Department that was unwilling to back down, and in Lawrence King, you had the
Nebraska Senate that was unwilling to back down. Epstein had an island, and I'm sure he had
these parties also at his place in Manhattan and elsewhere, and there were hidden cameras. In
this particular venue in Washington, DC, where the Nebraska victims were trafficked, there were
also hidden cameras. The individual who owned the house in Washington, DC, he had intelligence
affiliations. We're seeing with Epstein that he also had alleged intelligence connections. King
and Epstein collected children in the same type of fashion. King would have kids conscript
other kids, just like Epstein would have kids conscript other kids. In both cases the victims
were threatened and hassled. Both Jeffrey Epstein and Lawrence King had lavish lifestyles, but
there wasn't an obvious explanation for their wealth, and both were prominently associated with
power brokers of the highest order. [Editor's note: A grand jury concluded there was no
evidence to charge King with any sex crimes.]
... ... ...
What was your first impression when you read through it and saw all the
names?
I'd seen this exact same thing before with The Franklin Scandal. It was like
déjà vu. I felt like, well, here's another power broker pedophile network.
Definitely.
What stood out to you the most?
His lofty social connections were pretty mind-boggling. There were approximately 22 contact
numbers for Bill Clinton. And the names of the people the house manager had circled were pretty
stunning. Did you just start calling everyone?
I started calling victims. And they were very, very hard to talk to at that point.
How many did you call?
I called as many as I could call. A lot of the numbers were disconnected, but I was able to
talk to some of them, and they essentially corroborated what I thought, that Epstein was the
pimp of a very large network.
... ... ...
Did it get any traction at that point?
Gawker got a lot of hits. They published his flight manifest too. But ultimately I was
stunned that no one in the mainstream media was willing to touch the subject matter.
Now, this is arguably the biggest story in the mainstream media, and the narrative is
starting to turn to, who else in Epstein's network might this touch? How important is the black
book as a piece of evidence, and what does it actually tell us? It's not a crime to be in
someone's Rolodex even if that someone is an accused serial pedophile.
Well, the black book shows that Epstein had connections to Mount Olympus. He was hanging out
with the gods. Why would he have 20-something contact numbers for Bill Clinton? Why did the
house manager circle Donald Trump's name? Why did he circle Ehud Barak's name? Alan
Dershowitz's name? The house manager's credibility is questionable, no? He got busted for
trying to turn a profit on the book.
In these types of investigations, you're gonna deal with some very sordid people. Even the
victims, their credibility can be problematic, because they can come from lower socioeconomic
backgrounds, repeatedly molested at a very young age, some turn to drugs to assuage their pain.
That's what makes this type of thing perfect for the perpetrators. The victims' credibility is
easy to compromise.
To your mind, which are the most interesting names that appear in the book, or that might
prove to be relevant to the current legal proceedings?
There are people in that book whose names aren't circled who I've been told are
perpetrators. One of them is a former U.S. senator.
Who told you that?
One of the lawyers. The black book provides the scaffolding so people can start digging into
Epstein's life. His life is contained in that black book, and a lot of those people have
nothing to do with molesting children, but it just shows the diversity of Epstein's life and
the power brokers he hung out with.
What's your sense of the extent to which the black book might be used as an investigative
road map?
I haven't talked to law enforcement about it, but I'd say the book would be hugely helpful.
Although the majority of the individuals in the book aren't perps, some will invariably be
privy to inconvenient truths about Epstein. Plus, the black book also contains perps who law
enforcement can compel to disclose the particulars of Epstein's network.
To your mind, which
are the most interesting names that appear in the book, or that might prove to be relevant to
the current legal proceedings?
There are people in that book whose names aren't circled who I've been told are
perpetrators. One of them is a former U.S. senator.
Who told you that?
One of the lawyers. The black book provides the scaffolding so people can start digging into
Epstein's life. His life is contained in that black book, and a lot of those people have
nothing to do with molesting children, but it just shows the diversity of Epstein's life and
the power brokers he hung out with.
What's your sense of the extent to which the black book might be used as an investigative
road map?
I haven't talked to law enforcement about it, but I'd say the book would be hugely helpful.
Although the majority of the individuals in the book aren't perps, some will invariably be
privy to inconvenient truths about Epstein. Plus, the black book also contains perps who law
enforcement can compel to disclose the particulars of Epstein's network.
Do you have any reporting about Epstein that hasn't yet been made public?
Most of it has been corroborated and confirmed at this point. I was one guy against a
machine, and now there's all kinds of news entities with all kinds of reporters digging into
it.
Where does this whole thing go from here? What are your predictions?
I don't know. In The Franklin Scandal, there were two primary pimps. One committed
suicide, the other did 10 years in prison for embezzlement, and he's had a pretty comfortable
life since. It all depends on whether Epstein's gonna talk or not. If Epstein talks, there's
gonna be a lot of powerful people who could go down. It's really contingent upon how far the
Department of Justice wants to take this. But like I said earlier, the Epstein scandal will
also go all the way up to Mount Olympus.
"... Edwards said during the press conference that he raised the accusation to challenge the idea that Epstein was a model citizen while in jail. Edwards also said that Epstein was in his office most of the day during his 18-month sentence, of which he served 13 months, and that he had female visitors under the age of 21 . ..."
"... Edwards said Epstein had sexual interactions with the female visitors that constituted abuse and were similar in nature to the abuses described in the indictment and charges Epstein faces in court, which are one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors. - Business Insider ..."
The Palm Beach Sheriff's Office has launched an internal affairs investigation into how it handled
convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's work release following a 2007 plea agreement that allowed him
to work out of his Palm Beach office for up to 12 hours per day, according to the
Miami
Herald
- which has been instrumental in Epstein's arrest 12 years later.
Specifically, it will look at the decision more than a decade ago to
allow Epstein to be free 12 hours a day on work release while serving a short sentence in the
county stockade on a prostitution-related charge.
On Friday, Sheriff Ric Bradshaw -- the same sheriff who oversaw the
controversial work release arrangement -- ordered the investigation be done.
"
Sheriff Bradshaw takes these matters very seriously
and wants to determine if any actions taken by the deputies assigned to monitor Epstein during
his work release program violated any agency rules and regulations, during the time he was on
PBSO work release program," a news release said. -
Miami
Herald
Epstein was given a slap on the wrist
over allegations
that he sexually abused girls as young as 14 - many of whom were coerced into sex acts after being
told they were there to offer massages.
The US Attorney's office, headed by disgraced former Labor Secretary
Alexander Acosta,
scrapped a 53-page sex-trafficking indictment against Epstein
,
instead allowing him to plea guilty to solicitation of a minor - a much lesser charge. He served 13
months in the county stockade
vs. the decades-long sentence he faced under the federal
indictment
, according to the
Herald
.
Epstein has been accused of sexually abusing girls while on work
release
, according to attorney Brad Edwards, who represents some of Epstein's accusers.
During a Tuesday press conference in New York City, Edwards introduced a woman named Courtney
Wild, who says Epstein began abusing her when she was 14-years-old, according to
Business
Insider
.
Edwards said
during the
press conference that he raised the accusation to challenge the idea that Epstein was a model
citizen while in jail. Edwards
also
said
that
Epstein was in his office most of the day during his 18-month sentence, of
which he served 13 months, and that he had female visitors under the age of 21
.
Edwards said
Epstein
had sexual interactions with the female visitors that constituted abuse
and were similar
in nature to the abuses described in the indictment and charges Epstein
faces
in
court, which are one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in
sex trafficking of minors. -
Business
Insider
Wild appeared in court on Monday during Epstein's bail hearing, saying "I was sexually abused by
Jeffrey Epstein starting at the age of 14," while standing just feet from the pedophile money
manager.
Epstein was
denied bail on Thursday
, with Wild's appearance cited in Judge Richard M. Berman's decision.
I wouldn't say "blame" is the right word at all. In fact, I
wasn't even posting that coming from the
viewpoint/consideration of the girls.
But, for the sake of being the devil's advocate, let's
take that route:
Let's say you are a 14 or 15 year old child. Why would
an older, rich man even be approaching you
for.....anything? Further, why would you them give them the
time of day, let alone go to their house/apartment.
Further, why would you then allow yourself to be in the
position of being alone with them? Further still, why would
you then "agree" to "give them a massage?"
The only reasons I can come up with are: 1)
Homelessness/Poverty/Hunger/some other extreme condition of
life or health, 2) Attention/the promise of gifts or money,
3) Wanting to **** an older guy and/or daddy issues.
#1 and #3 = vulnerable, which is why our culture has
decided to protect this age group.
I have step
daughters. At 16, I had one who was dressed to kill,
going to a party with a lot of older men. I sat her down
and explained to her how she looked and the attention she
would draw. I did not judge her, I flattered her and told
her it was a responsibility. Later, I was made the bad
guy for being mean and "scaring her." She cried that I
had spoiled her party, that men were not really like
that. I had to back off.
My point? So many parents don't talk to their girls
about this stuff. And by the time you get to them, if
they have not been gently brought along, they think you
are trying to control them, and may actually rebel.
The real investigation should be into Barry Krischer, the jewish
democrat State Prosecutor who only charged his fellow *** Epstein
with solicitation despite the mountains of child molestation
evidence provided by the Palm Beach PD.
Florida Dem Who Gave
Epstein a Pass is Providing "Training" on Prosecuting Sexual
Violence Crimes
"... Mr. LLargi, you need to ask, "Why did this Epstein thing go public now?" This is hard core betrayal of an arrangement Epstein had with government entities and it was done for a reason. Probably a political reason. ..."
"... Epstein seems to be a fairly smart guy, academic-wise, even without the formal degrees. But his inclinations and then being adopted by Mossad entirely corrupted his being. ..."
"... Chances are few elites will go down with Epstein. However, it is very likely the Blackmail material changed hands on who controls it. When it comes to the power structure of the western world, that is a very big deal. ..."
This I found interesting, Fox, also from July 18, because it targets Prince Andrew. Is MI6
going to be able to muffle away the obviously very strong and long-term connection between
Epstein and Andrew? I'm thinking they'd probably have to get those 2,000 pages re-sealed. Or,
you know, burned down. Nuked.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/DQ1JQvi3GSA
And then there's George Webb. Now he is, I understand, someone who's known as a conspiracy
theorist, but then many people are in some circles, including myself, This video was posted on
July 8 2019, 2 days after Epstein's arrest. My thought while watching this is he may be wrong
on some things, he may even be making a few points up, but when you're that detailed on events
that occurred over such a long time, you're either on very powerful drugs or you're not
entirely wrong. Check for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/RZlDb6vG6XM
To summarize my thoughts on this, and the reason I started writing this, I can't see Epstein
living much longer. There are too many people who would rather see him dead, including perhaps
himself. And there are very few people who want him to get into lengthy talks with prosecutors
who are actually looking for the truth.
Now of course we must wonder if any prosecutor wants that truth. Alex Acosta left his US
government job because "Epstein is intelligence" was not enough to let him keep his job. And if
we can believe some of the stories about the CIA, the State Dept and Mossad being linked to
Epstein (and we got worse than that), it looks like he's just got to go. Unless someone, or
some party involved, has a reason to protect him against all odds. If only to handicap some
other people.
After this piece I really hope I never have to write about this topic again. My hopes of
that are not overly high, but I do have to say I have a very hard time thinking about child
-sex- abuse. I also think we must think much harder about why it is that we pick predators to
lead our societies. Because this hardly ever fails, doesn't it? A bunch of sexual deviants rise
to the top everywhere.
Sexual predation appears to be some inevitable part of political power. Not everywhere and
not all the time, but far too much for comfort.
Let's hope enough of those predators are exposed through the Jeffrey Epstein case. But, you
know, listening to George Webb, you think of the oil sheikhs and the girls being trafficked by
Epstein and others, from the Balkans and dirt poor African countries, and you ask yourself,
what are the odds of full exposure?
Mr. LLargi, you need to ask, "Why did this Epstein thing go public now?" This is hard core
betrayal of an arrangement Epstein had with government entities and it was done for a reason.
Probably a political reason.
There has to be some systemically critical reason to expose
certain people on that list. Epstein never imagined he would be used as criminal evidence
against them. Lured back to America, he goes from mega rich with money from unknown sources
to a super-max where he can never speak the truth to anyone. I'd guess #2.
There seems to be an attempt to rewrite Epstein's history of attendance at Dalton School
as a math's teacher. Changing the dates of Epstein's attendance and who employed him. Not
sure why, but must be something behind it.
Don Barr was headmaster there and put his resignation in Feb 1974 and left in June 1974.
He hired Epstein apparently, though the assertion now is that Epstein started in Sept 1974.
Barr as the story in the news back then goes had a habit of employing effective smart people
for the job rather than just relying on qualifications.
And stories of Epstein's tenure at Dalton School showed that he was charismatic and a very
effective teacher, though some kids have since reported being uncomfortable at times, most
liked him., so of the students said though that they saw Epstein flirting with the girls.
Don Barr was the absolute opposite of Epstein in every way imaginable (video interviews of
the1970s) and had trouble with the school board for being too strict and conservative when
they wanted progressiveness (NY Times of the day). After Barr quit many members of the school
committee wanted him re-employed and had a lot of support for him, but the Admin didn't offer
it back to him.
The guy that replaced Barr as Headmaster then got into trouble for pedophilia accusation,
getting some familys' daughter to 'live in' in his home and provide housework support for the
family, in exchange for him paying for her school admittance.
It seems that Epstein has had an early predilection for under age girls? and one wonders
if that new headmaster introduced him to the world, or it was coincidence that they both
ended up in the school together.
Epstein seems to be a fairly smart guy, academic-wise, even without the formal degrees.
But his inclinations and then being adopted by Mossad entirely corrupted his being.
Its very clear now why the British government, American government and the Catholic Church
were stacked with pederasts.
Mossad and their puppet CIA run everything. Edit: You can see the dominoes fall by
following ownership of currency. There is no global power that they wont target.
Chances are few elites will go down with Epstein. However, it is very likely the Blackmail
material changed hands on who controls it. When it comes to the power structure of the
western world, that is a very big deal.
"... At the center of it all is former President Bill Clinton, listed twenty-six times on the Lolita Express's flight manifest -- though the ex-Prez said last week in a statement that it was only four times. (Consider the source.) ..."
"... A raft of unsealed documents in the matter has been court-ordered to drop any day, and power-players all over the world -- especially in our nation's capital and on Wall Street -- are rumored to be chewing their fingernails down to the nubbins as they wait for it. ..."
... Every candidate in the first Democratic “debate” raised a hand in favor of providing free medical
care to illegal border-jumpers. I wonder how that sits with the Americans who now pay
$12,000 a year for health insurance with a $5,000 deductible.
Of course, this policy of
unfettered illegal immigration does not economically favor the sizable demographic of poor
Americans, many of whom are people-of-color. In theory, the border-jumpers are taking
away an awful lot of jobs. But I think the argument there is that 300 years of slavery gives
bonafide US citizens-of-color a pass on manual labor - so it is not against their interests to
ally with the open border advocates - while both groups have an interest in getting any free stuff
the government may offer.
... ... ...
Finally, there is the walking time-bomb known as Jeffrey Epstein, Democratic Party poohbah
and impresario of an underage sex racket featuring the "Lolita Express" airplane service to his
private "Orgy Island" in the Caribbean, with auxiliary party shacks in New York City and the
New Mexico Desert. Rogue reports have been styling Epstein's doings as an international
blackmailing operation associated with the CIA and other Intel outfits, including the UK's MI6
and Israel's Mossad, for the purpose of keeping international bigshots on a short leash. Who
knows?
At the center of it all is former President Bill Clinton, listed twenty-six times on the
Lolita Express's flight manifest -- though the ex-Prez said last week in a statement that it
was only four times. (Consider the source.)
A raft of unsealed documents in the matter has been court-ordered to drop any day, and
power-players all over the world -- especially in our nation's capital and on Wall Street --
are rumored to be chewing their fingernails down to the nubbins as they wait for it.
What a cargo of wickedness is borne by the garbage barge called the Democratic Party as it
chugs out to sea toward a sickening, slightly radioactive orange sunset for what is looking
like its final voyage.
Have been studiously avoiding all things Epstein but it seems metastasising everywhere to the extent it eliminates all from
serving jury duty at any trial.
Consider this: The timing is such that suggests an attempt to 'hole below the waterline' the Clinton machine [Billary is prime
example that the species Homo Sapiens is the only one that is best led by the smallest protrusion below the waistline]. Recent
U.S. history records the Clintons used the DLC (Democratic Leadership Committee) to ascend to the WhiteHouse.
The DLC subsumed
and subverted the existing DNC (Democratic National Committee), replacing it entirely and still holds control over the Democratic
Party itself. I think verification might be obtained by examining the makeup if the Democratic National Finance Committee and
look at the membership of that committee and discern their loyalties.
In whom controls the money, you will find the control of
the party. The re-emergence of the Epstein saga cannot help but expose the Clintons to that limelight and what would follow. This
may be the only method to liberate the Democratic Party before the time removes the actors from the stage. Just my opinion - helpfully
offered.
Obviously Hillary could not use the Epstein case during her campaign since she had her own Anthony Weiner. And too many pictures
of Bill with prostitutes around the net (one is said to be taken at Epstein resort in St James).
"What the Epstein case reveals about the US is that either this country is so poor that it finds completely normal to have dozens,
or rather hundreds, of 15 years old girl going directly from school to an old pervert's apartment 'give a massage' or more for
200 bucks or it wants to impose this kind of society as a model. "
Mina@99
That is it Mina: the problem, however, is not 'poverty' (the USA is very rich in relative terms) but inequality.
Prostitution is the very essence of capitalism: the teenager selling his/her transient sexual attractions; the 'loyal worker'
tugging his forelock and thanking the Boss for 'giving him employment'; the NYTimes or Torstar journalist faithfully recording
the propaganda leaked by the CIA; the politician...etc.
In a system in which everything is for sale why would not a nubile 15 year old sell the only thing that she can sell-in a seller's
market?
The bases of the Epstein scandal are these: Capitalism and Hypocrisy. Capitalism forces people to sell themselves or starve, hypocrisy-of
the sort exemplified in the mass pretense that young women only become sexually attractive after their 18th, 16th or twenty first
birthdays (depending upon jurisdictions). It is hypocrisy that vastly increases the value of these liaisons, thus making it possible
to persuade a man to betray his country rather than have it generally known that he employed a nubile young woman to 'massage'
him.
It is a weird society in which Epstein is widely reviled for his sleazy practices while veterans of the appalling attack on Fallujah-including
the Commanding Officer- are held to be honourable men.
As Robert Burns said "I'd rather give the life to one than be the death of twenty."
Mina @99: What the Epstein case reveals about the US ...
Bevin @114: Prostitution is the very essence of capitalism ...
The Epstein case is not about inequality, prostitution, or capitalism and doesn't "reveal" anything except how corrupt/corrupting
ideologues (in this case, Zionists) are.
The women were lured with the prospect of giving massages and then coerced into sex and groomed for use in an influence operation
- likely with Mossad knowledge and blessing. To blame anyone except those directly involved: Epstein, Ghislane/Mossad is finger-pointing
that benefits the culprits.
A smart minority group that seeks to push a country into illegal wars for their own purposes would anticipate some degree
of backlash. Epstein compromised "people that matter" who might lead a backlash or could be useful to quell it.
The Mega Group sought to safeguard their position in American/Western society against a backlash - exactly what Epstein
said his job was.
There is a great deal of 4D Chess-beating that Epstein is "Trump's revenge against the
DNC" (Hillary) Steele dossier attempted coup, and 'now we'll drain the swamp!' Hoo-ahh!
I find that boast problematic. Trump could not (would not) have ordered Epstein's arrest.
Those who serve the DNC within FBI (CIA-NSA) would have informed Epstein in advance, and no
doubt, bleached Hillary and Bill and Clinton Foundation's servers before the arrest. So the
order didn't come from Trump. And the 'lone prosecutor' and 'honest judge' theory is simply
not possible in that district, where human trafficking, fashion industry and sex slavery is
one of their biggest profit pipelines.
It has to be a DNC Hail Mary. DNC needs to impeach Trump so badly, they've already
committed treason! The 2011 Budget Control Act keeps the lid on Federal spending, but only
until 2021. That's why DNC is desperately trying to seize the reins of power for 2020-2024,
when the budget caps come off, then it's laissez les bon temps roulez! and $5,000
BILLION a year Fed bleedout, at 10% increase every year Open Boarders Green New Steal,
...until USA folds under the sheer grift of the Social Democrats.
That griftfest was actually their plan way back in 2016 with Rodham. But wait! There's
MOAre!
Not once in 80 years has a president who supported Pentagon-MIC-AIPAC **NOT** been
re-elected!
- Kennedy: refused to start a war with Cuba -- assassinated
- Johnson: could not stomach Kissinger-Pol Pot -- gone
- Carter: refused to start a war in Iran -- gone
- George HW Bush: tried to cut Pentagon budget in half after Soviets fell -- gone
Since Roosevelt in 1933, every president who supported Pentagon-MIC-AIPAC got
re-elected!
So Democrats have an APPROACHING ZERO chance of winning in 2020. Biden is their one shot,
and he's a perv peacenik! DNC are using Epstein virus to white-wash Old Joe, and to flog
Trump in a desperate attempt to lure the Single White Female block, after an astounding poll
came out that 69% of Democrat voters are TURNED OFF BY SOCIAL DEMOCRATS and their 'Free
Stuff' and 'Open Borders' Antifa Bolshevism.
2020 will be the End of Days for one Party or the other. Whoever wins will ride the Golden
Chariot of Blowout Spending, but the loser ... the loser gets only a mouthful of sand. DNC's
only chance to survive is to impeach (or assassinate) Trump, by hook or by crook.
Paging Ms. Clinton, please come to the Red Phone! /s
During a Tuesday press conference in New York City, Edwards introduced a woman named Courtney
Wild, who says Epstein began abusing her when she was 14-years-old, according to
Business
Insider
.
Edwards said
during the
press conference that he raised the accusation to challenge the idea that Epstein was a model
citizen while in jail. Edwards
also
said
that
Epstein was in his office most of the day during his 18-month sentence, of
which he served 13 months, and that he had female visitors under the age of 21
.
Edwards said
Epstein
had sexual interactions with the female visitors that constituted abuse
and were
similar in nature to the abuses described in the indictment and charges Epstein
faces
in
court, which are one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in
sex trafficking of minors. -
Business
Insider
Wild appeared in court on Monday during Epstein's bail hearing, saying "I was sexually abused by
Jeffrey Epstein starting at the age of 14," while standing just feet from the pedophile money
manager.
Meanwhile,
Bloomberg
reveals that
Epstein paid millions of dollars to silence accusers -
including
Wild.
Some of Epstein's civil settlements exceeded $1 million, according to a person with knowledge
of the matter.
Three were for a total of $5.5 million, court records show
. The
total amount of Epstein's civil payments is unknown, but it's likely a small fraction of the
$559 million that prosecutors say Epstein has claimed as his net worth.
...
More than two dozen lawsuits were ultimately resolved in private settlements
after Epstein signed a non-prosecution agreement in 2008 that allowed him and four accomplices
to avoid federal charges. -
Bloomberg
Epstein's attorneys also used
aggressive tactics
with the women, according to
the report - interviewing friends, neighbors and employers in abusive ways. The girls were grilled
about their lives - including criminal records, drug use, and in one case - a history of
abortions.
"Does it give you any, any emotional pain that you aborted three fetuses?" asked Epstein
attorney Mark Luttier. "Wouldn't you agree with me that aborting three fetuses would be far more
traumatic than giving a man a massage in the nude?" he asked.
Meanwhile, Epstein's publicist fed stories to the media "impugning the credibility of the
victims" which suggested that their "allegations of abuse were made solely to extract money."
According to the
New
York Post
, Epstein also approached New York City publicist R. Couri Hay several years ago
to 'beg for help with his image,' allegedly saying "I don't want 'billionaire pervert' to be the
first line of my obituary."
Hay's advice? Go to a mental-health facility for a year, donate to charity, meet the Pope and go
meet with his rabbi. Now that he faces up to 45 years in the slammer, he may also want to engage a
prison
coach
.
Remember, Trump signed his Exec.Order allowing the federal gov't
to confiscate (attainture) the assets of persons who commit
trafficking in persons and pedo' crimes; I don't remember
the specifics.
Confiscating Epstein's and the Clinton's wealth
WILL be GLORIOUS!
Yep, and you know an interesting factoid about that EO that was
signed late Dec 2017? Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google resigned the
next day. Maybe unrelated but there had been no prior
announcement that he was going to.
To prove that Epstein was involved in "trafficking" at his
Virgin Island islands and at his New Mexico ranch, it seems to
me the government would need to secure search warrants and
thoroughly search and inspect these properties. Something that
has not happened to date (as far as I know).
But, yes, under
the law, any property involved in trafficking can be forfeited
to the government. So why not also investigate what was going
on at these places?
Of course to do this the government would also have to
investigate the people who were visiting these places.
I just watched the NBC footage of Epstein and Trump laughing it up
together at Mar-A-Lago in 1992. One take-aways from this video:
Epstein is much thinner (less muscle-bound) than he later
became.
This adds credence to what one of his alleged victims
said - that Epstein was probably a steroid user. This girl noted
that he was real "built up" or "thick" from weight-lifting.
So the guy is calling girls for massages up to three times a
day, and also apparently pumping a lot of iron. When did the guy
have time to be a "hedge fund money manager?" I thought this was
supposed to be some time-consuming job.
Anyway, note the difference in his physique - circa 1992 and
circa 2008.
If he is/was a droid head, this probably affected his
behavior/personality.
Epstein looks like he put on at least 30 pounds. But not of
fat, muscle. Just like Barry Bonds or just like Tiger Woods,
who once was a string bean and then one day he suddenly looked
like an NFL free safety.
So I'd also investigate any
potential steroid dealers in Epstein's life/circle of friends.
"In 2002, Mr. Trump described Mr. Epstein as "a terrific guy." "He's a lot of fun to be
with," Mr. Trump told New York Magazine. "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as
much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." I wonder how this will play with
Trump's base and the Oh so holy evangelicals. Any comment Senator McConnell ?
"Terrific guy." - Donald J. Trump Alex Acosta, current Labor Secretary, allowed Epstein to
walk. There's more to this pedophile ring. The public demands a complete investigation. Just
don't give it to Congress.
Of course he is a flight risk. Owner of a private jet recently returned from Paris. He could
just fly away to some non extradition country or his private island and say 'see ya later
suckers'. Child pornography was found at his home. He's been free since 2011. What does
anyone think this criminal has been up to? I'm sorry we are just not That stupid.
Full disclosure of all proceedings is only one small part of the 'justice' that must
finally be applied to this creep. No secret deals. That mansion is serious, pricey NYC real
estate. We are talking major, major bucks. Epstein will use that wad to buy the best defense
he can which is his right. But he should not be allowed to buy secrecy.
Treat him like any other perp. Put him in an orange jumpsuit and try him in a public
court. I do not care who his disgusting pals are. No more hiding. Sunlight is the only
disinfectant that can begin to wash away the appalling stain of the Epstein case for the past
decade.
So many "terrific guys" and gals surround trump. He must be overwhelmed by the brilliance of
these friends. Cohen, Manafort, Epstein, Acosta, Sanders, Conway, Miller, Bannon, Flynn,
Pruitt, Gorka, Price, Zinke, DeVos, Duke, Kushner, et al - all fine people, like the white
supremacists in Charlottesville. Not fine to trump: Pres. Obama, Robert Mueller, Sen. McCain,
Sen. Elizabeth Warren, VP Biden, NYT, Washington Post, the press, all democrats in the United
States, James Comey, Frank Bruni...on and on and on.
@Greg Jones And Ken Starr, who served as an Epstein defense lawyer along with Dershowitz. The
very man who spent millions of taxpayer money publicizing each lurid detail of Clinton's
affair with above legal age of consent Lewinsky was paid well to cover up Epstein's sexual
abuse of underage girls. The epitome of hypocrisy. His affair with Lewinsky wasn't illegal;
his denial of the affair to Congress was, but Starr had a political vendetta under the guise
of "morality". Not that Clinton's role, if any, in this story is known - hopefully the truth
will emerge and he will be either cleared or convicted.
What's so incredibly vile about this is that he got off with a light wrist slap in Florida
and - wait for it - he's still doing it. He is so arrogant that he kept pictures of his
victims to this day. Many thanks to SDNY for pursuing this case. Please, please nail him and
all who participated/enabled him. This sordid case is a metaphor for our Gilded Age II.
I'm surprised the reporting here is so light on the web of friends that Epstein has and
their involvement in the sexual assaults of these girls. Epstein kept a book of contacts-
basically, a 92 page Who's Who of people who attended his parties in Florida and New York and
flew to his island on his private jet. Hollywood actors, financiers, attorneys, a prince,
Trump, Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, among many, many others.
It also kept details of the likes and dislikes of his buddies. It was known that at these
parties that the girls were sent upstairs and guests were brought up by a handler to supply
towels, lotions, etc. This book can be viewed quite easily if you Google it.
Trump indeed is involved and there is an affidavit filed by two women- one the victim of a
brutal rape and beating of a then 13-year-old-girl first by Trump, next by Epstein. It was
all witnessed by another young girl. The affidavit itself is quite horrific. For more
detailed reporting, read the three-part series from the Miami Herald. These journalists kept
this story alive because they believed in these young women. James Patterson also wrote a
book, Filthy Rich, about Epstein and his web of girls.
Many were homeless or from very poor families and were lured in with the promise of money
for school clothes and books.
Little did they know that they were being groomed for rape by Epstein and his dozens and
dozens of high-powered friends.
Again, news that makes you wonder how deep this boys club goes. In his Playboy interview in
1987, Gore Vidal said that the genius of our ruling class is that "they're so brilliant that
no one knows they even exist." He went on to defend himself from accusations that he's a
conspiracy theorist. "'You think they get together at the Bohemian Grove and run the United
States.' Well, they do get together at the Bohemian Grove and do a lot of picking of
Secretaries of State, anyway. But they don't have to conspire. They all think alike." Don't
know what the Bohemian Grove is? Look it up.
Labor trafficking is a horrific crime. Sex trafficking is more horrific whether it is
occurring a strip mall "spa" in Jupiter, Florida or the mansion of some rich white guy in New
York City. How do the men who participate in this not understand that?? Girls are NOT play
toys. Meanwhile back in January, the President of the United States said, "This is an urgent
humanitarian issue. My administration is committed to leveraging every resource we have to
confront this threat, to support the victims and survivors, and to hold traffickers
accountable for their heinous crimes." Except when they are your friends. And you have a
Secretary of Labor who, as a prosecutor, let at least one trafficker off with a hand slap.
@Dennis W The slap on the wrist was administered by Miami's top federal prosecutor Alex
Acosta (today trump's Labor secretary) who ironically is responsible for monitoring human
trafficking.
A man is involved in casino ownership and construction, two of the dirtier businesses--- and
he has a history of going broke and stiffing his contractors. He also owned a modeling agency
and beauty pageant and was known for spontaneously entering the changing rooms between events
and ogling the (sometimes) underage participants. Many women have come forward accusing him
of sexual crimes, including that of rape. This man has an associate that now is under
indictment for sex trafficking charges. Can someone help me connect these dots?
This case conclusively demonstrates that the rule of law does not prevail in America. Law
enforcement and the courts operate two separate justice systems: One for the powerful and
rich and another for the 99% per cent. AG Acosta not have cut the same deal a poor citizen,
charged with just one instance of Epstein'[s conduct. Instead, for a single instance, it
would be 10 years in prison, without an office furlough at 85% per cent (15% reduction in
time for good behavior).
Hopefully Epstein is finished now, and the other powerful persons
sweat. In my view, Acosta should be charged with misprision, US Code Title 18, Part 1,Chapter
1, Section 4 "Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a
court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to
some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
The court has
already found the Epstein Agreement negotiated by Acosta violated the law. So much for the
"rule of law", just words on paper, like the Constitution. us army 1969-1971/california jd
A trove of lewd photographs of girls, discovered in a safe inside the financier
Jeffrey
Epstein's
Manhattan mansion the same day he was arrested, is deepening questions about why federal prosecutors in Miami
had cut a deal that shielded him from federal prosecution in 2008.
Federal prosecutors in Manhattan charged
Mr.
Epstein
on Monday with
sex
trafficking
, dealing an implicit rebuke to that plea agreement, which was overseen by Alexander Acosta, then the United
States attorney in Miami and now President Trump's labor secretary.
The indictment in Manhattan could prompt a moment of reckoning for the Justice Department, which for years has wrestled
with accusations that it mishandled the earlier case and has faced a barrage of litigation from
Mr.
Epstein's accusers
. In February, the Justice Department
opened
its own internal review
into the matter.
Attorney General William P. Barr said on Monday during a trip to South Carolina that he had recused himself from the case
because Mr. Barr's former law firm, Kirkland & Ellis, had represented M
r.
Epstein
.
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Listen to 'The Daily': United States v. Jeffrey Epstein
Hosted by Michael Barbaro, produced by Clare Toeniskoetter and Michael Simon Johnson, and edited by Larissa
Anderson
The financier, long accused of sexually assaulting underage girls, has been shielded from federal charges for
decades. Now, in the #MeToo era, a new indictment has revived the case.
... ... ...
Archived Recording (Geoffrey Berman)
Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment -- first, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, and second,
the substantive crime of sex trafficking of underage girls.
Patricia Mazzei
According to prosecutors, Epstein created this network between 2002 and 2005.
Archived Recording (Geoffrey Berman)
The victims were all underage girls at the time of the alleged conduct.
Patricia Mazzei
In which he invited girls -- underage girls -- into his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, and he paid
them to give him nude massages.
Archived Recording (Geoffrey Berman)
These massages became increasingly sexual in nature and would typically include one or more sex acts, as
specified in the indictment.
Patricia Mazzei
Those encounters often ended in masturbation, oral sex and, in at least one case, rape.
Archived Recording (Geoffrey Berman)
As alleged, Epstein also paid certain victims to recruit additional girls to be similarly abused.
Patricia Mazzei
And he also paid them to recruit more girls that could come to his house, therefore creating this sort of
ever-expanding network of sex trafficking.
Archived Recording (Geoffrey Berman)
The alleged behavior shocks the conscience. And while the charged conduct is from a number of years ago,
it is still profoundly important to the many alleged victims, now young women. They deserve their day in
court, and we are proud to be standing up for them by bringing this indictment.
Patricia Mazzei
And the prosecutors said that even though some of these encounters happened a long time ago, that some of
this is old, these girls, who are now women, deserve their day in court.
Archived Recording (Geoffrey Berman)
Thank you.
Michael Barbaro
So the prosecutor in New York makes a point of saying, this alleged behavior dates back years and years --
basically to 2002. So why are we just seeing these charges today?
Patricia Mazzei
That's the key question, Michael. Because what is stunning about this case when you listen to the U.S.
attorney in New York on Monday is that it sounded so familiar to allegations made against Jeffrey Epstein in
Florida more than a decade ago. In that case, the girls in Florida did not get their day in court. But the
story of how the Florida case against Epstein unraveled is one of the reasons why we are here today talking
about this case against him in New York.
Michael Barbaro
So what exactly is the story of what happened in Florida?
Patricia Mazzei
The story begins in 2005 when a girl and her parents go to the police in Palm Beach and tell them that she
has been molested by Epstein and paid for it. And the police start investigating. And what they find is not
just one girl, but many girls with stories about being molested by Epstein. And some girls just lead to more
girls. And so they wind up with what they think is a very big case on their hands. They take it to the state
attorney, but, eventually, the police feel like Epstein might not get as harsh of a charge as they would
like, given the number of victims that they have seen. And concerned about that, they take the case to the
F.B.I. and say, help us. We think there is a big case here.
Michael Barbaro
And why do the local police have that suspicion, that Epstein will not be appropriately charged? What
exactly did they fear?
Patricia Mazzei
They become anxious that either because of Epstein's wealth or name in the community or the fact that he
didn't have a criminal history, that he just might not be charged as strongly as they think he should be
charged. For example, that instead of some sort of sex abuse charge, he might end up with something like
soliciting prostitution that would elicit a less harsh penalty.
Michael Barbaro
So what does the F.B.I. do when the police bring this case to them?
Patricia Mazzei
The F.B.I. starts investigating and finds more victims and victims corroborating the stories that the police
had found. Stories about massages and nude massages and payment for these massages that ended up in various
sex acts and a web of recruitment where one girl would be paid by Epstein and his associates to bring in
more girls to his Palm Beach house for these massages. And, eventually, the U.S. attorney's office in Miami,
which, at the time, was run by a man named Alex Acosta, drafts a 53-page indictment against Epstein.
Michael Barbaro
And what does this indictment say?
Patricia Mazzei
The indictment lays out these allegations of sex trafficking against minors and carries a potential
punishment of up to life in prison.
Michael Barbaro
It's a serious indictment.
Patricia Mazzei
Yeah, it was pretty thorough.
Michael Barbaro
And so what happens?
Patricia Mazzei
So weeks go by and then months go by. And finally, in 2008, the victims learn that there will be no federal
criminal indictment against Epstein. Unbeknown to the victims, behind the scenes, Epstein and his
high-powered defense lawyers had negotiated with federal prosecutors so that they would not charge him in
federal court. They negotiated what is called a non-prosecution agreement. And so in the end, Epstein
pleaded guilty to a single count of soliciting prostitution in state court. He had to register as a sex
offender. He had to pay financial restitution to some of his victims. And he got 18 months in county jail,
in which he could leave six days a week to go to work.
Michael Barbaro
Leave prison six days a week -- just kind of walk out of jail and go to work?
Patricia Mazzei
Yeah, it was an extraordinary arrangement. It raised eyebrows even at the time, but the prosecutor said it
was how they were going to guarantee that Epstein served some time in jail and that he register as a sex
offender, which they viewed as important to help the community around him.
Michael Barbaro
So the local police brought this case originally to the F.B.I. because they were worried that the state
attorney would be rolled over by Epstein -- by his wealth, by all his connections, and his fancy lawyers --
and that he would get a sweetheart deal.
Patricia Mazzei
Prosecutors would tell you that they did their best, and that meant sending Epstein to jail. But, in the
end, he faced a prostitution charge in state court and not a sex trafficking charge in federal court. And
that's exactly what the Palm Beach police worried could happen at the start of the case.
Michael Barbaro
But with the F.B.I. and the federal prosecutors.
Patricia Mazzei
Right -- the people who they had turned to for help.
Michael Barbaro
Pati, you said that this was unknown to the victims. Why would that be?
Patricia Mazzei
The victims were not given a chance to speak up against this agreement before it was signed. It was
essentially just negotiated between Epstein's attorneys and the prosecution. And so the victims didn't find
out until after the fact and after Epstein had already agreed to the plea deal.
Michael Barbaro
And what's the reaction from the victims who have been cut out of this plea agreement and are now learning
that he's going to be facing an unusually light sentence?
Patricia Mazzei
The victims are outraged. And as soon as they find out about this non-prosecution deal in 2008, they go to
court asking for the agreement to be nullified -- for them to get their day in court. And this argument turns
into years of legal battles over what was negotiated in secret that the victims did not know about.
Michael Barbaro
And what's going on with Epstein during this time -- as this battle over the plea agreement is playing out in
courts?
Patricia Mazzei
Epstein gets out of jail about five months early. He reportedly has a party to celebrate his return to
society. And he has to register as a sex offender. But, other than that, he basically goes back to his old
life. He had his lavish lifestyle that he continued -- traveling between his properties in New York and Palm
Beach and the Virgin Islands. And the case kind of receded from public view for years, until President Trump
asks Alex Acosta, the former top prosecutor in Miami who reached the secret deal not to indict Epstein with
federal charges, to be his labor secretary.
... ... ...
Archived Recording
You are aware that Mr. Epstein served that 13 months. He was allowed out during the day, and he had to
sleep at a county jail, but he was basically allowed to move and go around the community and do whatever
he wants. And then that became a subject of significant criticism.
Archived Recording (Alexander Acosta)
And I am on record condemning that, and I think that was awful.
Patricia Mazzei
Despite those questions, Acosta gets confirmed by the Senate and becomes the labor secretary, which he still
is now. But The Miami Herald, his hometown paper, decides that it's going to dig even deeper into the
Epstein case and see what happened, especially now that not only is Acosta the labor secretary, but that the
#MeToo movement has happened. And that, perhaps, these victims, who are now young women, might be willing to
talk publicly for the first time.
Michael Barbaro
And what does The Herald find?
Archived Recording
The Herald is reporting that Acosta gave a sweetheart deal to a wealthy man accused of sex crimes,
including sexually abusing underage girls.
Patricia Mazzei
The Herald's investigation, which was published in late 2018, found a trove of documents showing how the
secret non-prosecution agreement was negotiated.
Archived Recording
The paper found that as a U.S. attorney in Florida in 2007, Acosta and another federal prosecutor struck
a plea deal with Epstein's legal team.
Patricia Mazzei
And the documents show Epstein's defense lawyers being chummy with prosecutors on a first-name basis, while
the victims didn't know anything about what was going on.
Archived Recording
I was young. I was scared. I knew these people were powerful. I didn't know what would happen if I said
no. I didn't know what would happen if I reported them. That 16-year-old girl just let it happen.
Patricia Mazzei
In addition to that, The Herald finds more victims, and victims who are going on the record for the first
time now that they're adults.
Archived Recording
It takes a long time to start the healing process. I mean, I will never heal. There are pieces for me
that can never be put back together.
Patricia Mazzei
And the combination of the behind-the-scenes communications about this agreement and the additional victims
and the victims putting a face and details to these allegations starts to build new public pressure for
something to be done in the case. And it's not long after that Miami Herald report that something else
happens. That lawsuit that the victims in Florida had filed seeking to invalidate the secret non-prosecution
agreement, a judge finally issues a ruling. And he rules in the women's favor. He says the prosecutors made
a mistake in not letting them know that this was being negotiated.
Michael Barbaro
And by prosecutors, you mean Alex Acosta, who is now the United States labor secretary.
Patricia Mazzei
That's correct. The judge ruled that Acosta and his office violated the victims' rights by not letting them
know about this secret deal that they had negotiated with Epstein. And that's where everything was until we
got to Monday in New York.
Michael Barbaro
Is that what led the U.S. attorney in New York to bring these charges on Monday?
Patricia Mazzei
We don't know, exactly. That case is still pending in Florida. What we do know is that the prosecutor in New
York apparently found a new victim in his jurisdiction. And that seems to be a primary driver in his
decision to pursue this case now. And it's possible for him to also draw in some of the allegations from
Florida into his case. We know that he went out of his way to say on Monday that the non-prosecution
agreement in Florida does not apply to them in New York. But it is key to note that they have found a victim
there, and so that gives a new dimension to their findings.
Michael Barbaro
So it's possible that these girls, now women, in Florida, who alleged that Jeffrey Epstein had done these
things to them and who were kind of boxed out of this non-prosecution agreement, that they may be drawn into
this case and have their day in court here in New York.
Patricia Mazzei
Possibly. We're going to have to wait and see, given this sort of tricky dynamic between having somebody in
the Justice Department in New York signing off on a new case that had been sort of closed and done by
somebody in the Justice Department in Miami.
Michael Barbaro
It seems like the U.S. attorney in New York is saying something about how the case was handled in Florida.
Patricia Mazzei
It sounded like the U.S. attorney in New York was implying that this case maybe wasn't handled so well the
first time around, either by his predecessors in New York or by his colleagues in Florida. And that now, he
has another shot. They get a do-over here, and they plan to take it. And they have a chance to make things
right for all these victims after all these years.
Michael Barbaro
Pati, you've been covering this case as a reporter in Florida for years. What do you make of these latest
developments?
Patricia Mazzei
To me, it's an illustration of how society has changed in the time since this case first came up and now. I
think between the #MeToo movement that has exposed some very powerful men and their behavior towards women,
I think some of society's impatience now with, perhaps, wealthy people having a bigger say in the criminal
justice system than people who don't have money. And it's also just interesting that the charge Epstein
faced was for soliciting prostitution.
Michael Barbaro
Right. I'm so struck by the fact that the resolution of that first Florida case was a prostitution charge,
which meant that prosecutors there essentially labeled a minor, who was allegedly paid for sex by Jeffrey
Epstein, as a prostitute, not a victim.
Patricia Mazzei
Actually, the former police chief in Palm Beach, whose department first started investigating this, has said
that what he would really like to see here, in addition to an apology to the victims, who did not get what
he would consider timely justice, he would like to see lawmakers keep that from happening again. He would
like to make it impossible for prosecutors to treat minors like prostitutes in future cases like this one,
to prevent what he considers was a miscarriage of justice.
Michael Barbaro
Pati, where is Jeffrey Epstein right now?
Patricia Mazzei
He is in jail in New York -- and not the kind of jail where you could leave every day to go to work like he
was in Florida. And he faces the prospect of up to 45 years in prison if this case moves forward and he's
found guilty.
Michael Barbaro
Pati, thank you very much.
Patricia Mazzei
Thank you, Michael.
Michael Barbaro
On Monday, federal investigators said they had found hundreds of photographs of nude and partially nude
young women and girls inside Jeffrey Epstein's New York home. After reviewing the photos, prosecutors said
that Epstein, quote, "is not reformed. He is not chastened. He is not repentant. Rather, he is a continuing
danger to the community." Shortly after, Epstein pleaded not guilty in federal court. Later on Monday,
Attorney General Bill Barr was asked about how Alex Acosta, the former U.S. attorney in Florida and now the
president's secretary of labor, had handled the original Epstein case in Florida. Barr declined to comment.
We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. In a highly unusual move, the government
lawyers defending the president's efforts to ask about citizenship on the 2020 census have left the case,
apparently in protest. The lawyers had been asked to defend the question despite a recent ruling by the
Supreme Court that found that there was no legal basis for including the question. And in Sudan, military
leaders and protesters have reached an unexpected agreement to share power after the military carried out a
deadly crackdown on the protesters. Under the agreement, an army general will run Sudan for nearly two
years, followed by a civilian leader for the next year and a half. The plan offers the possibility of an
eventual transition to democracy after 30 years of dictatorship. That's it for "The Daily." I'm Michael
Barbaro. See you tomorrow.
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Eric Holland, the deputy assistant secretary of labor for public affairs, said on Monday that Mr. Acosta had no comment.
The House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, said late Monday night that
Mr.
Acosta should resign because of the "unconscionable agreement"
that he made with Mr. Epstein in 2008.
Late on Tuesday morning, Mr. Acosta, writing on Twitter, defended his actions a decade ago. With the evidence available at
the time, he said, his prosecutors had insisted Mr. Epstein go to jail and register as a sex offender. He called the
financier's crimes "horrific."
"Now that new evidence and additional testimony is available, the N.Y. prosecution offers an important opportunity to more
fully bring him to justice," he wrote.
With the evidence available more than a decade ago, federal prosecutors insisted that Epstein go to jail,
register as a sex offender and put the world on notice that he was a sexual predator.
Accusations of sexual predation have dogged Mr. Epstein for decades. Until his arrest on Saturday, his case had been held
up as a prime example of how insulated, powerful men can escape accountability.
Mr. Epstein
, a hedge fund manager, avoided the possibility of a lengthy prison sentence, largely because of a secret
agreement his lawyers struck with federal prosecutors in 2008. His social circle is filled with the rich and famous,
including former President Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew of Britain.
Mr. Clinton's office said in a statement on Monday that he knows nothing about "the terrible crimes" connected to Mr.
Epstein.
In 2002, Mr. Trump described Mr. Epstein as "a terrific guy," telling
New
York Magazine
, "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger
side."
As he unsealed an indictment charging Mr. Epstein with sex trafficking on Monday, the United States attorney in Manhattan,
Geoffrey S. Berman, made an appeal to other women who may have been abused by him to come forward.
"They deserve their day in court and we are proud to stand up for them by bringing this indictment," Mr. Berman said.
He declined to say why his office decided to pursue charges against Mr. Epstein now, since federal prosecutors knew about
his potential crimes in New York a decade ago. Mr. Berman said his office had been "assisted by some excellent
investigative journalists," an apparent reference to The
Miami
Herald's reporting from November
.
The indictment said that Mr. Epstein and his employees engaged in a sex-trafficking scheme, bringing dozens of vulnerable
girls, some as young as 14, to his Upper East Side mansion and to his palatial compound in Palm Beach, Fla., between 2002
and 2005.
Mr. Epstein, 66, then engaged in sex acts with the young women during naked massage sessions, paying them hundreds of
dollars in cash, prosecutors said. He also asked some of the girls to recruit other girls, many of whom prosecutors say
were underage, and paid them for bringing in new victims, the indictment said.
"This conduct, as alleged, went on for years and involved dozens of young girls, some as young as 14," Mr. Berman said.
"The alleged behavior shocks the conscience."
Mr. Epstein is charged with sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy, and faces a combined maximum sentence of up to
45 years in prison if convicted.
Mr. Epstein's lawyer, Reid Weingarten, said the allegations in the indictment had already been settled in 2008. "To us this
indictment is essentially a do-over," he said. "This is old stuff. This is ancient stuff."
Mr. Epstein, looking disheveled in a navy blue jumpsuit, pleaded not guilty. He stared silently ahead as prosecutors
outlined the charges, never glancing at the packed courtroom behind him. He is expected back in court on Thursday.
The discovery of the photo trove was detailed by prosecutors as they argued against allowing Mr. Epstein to be freed on
bail. His wealth and means -- including six homes and two private jets -- made him a significant flight risk, they said.
Secretary Acosta, now calling Epstein's crimes 'horrific", but let Epstein plead to a charge of prostitution, carrying a much
lesser sentence. Epstein was allowed to leave jail 6 days a week for 12 hours a day. No child of the age of 14 can be a
prostitute, no matter if money was exchanged for sex. These girls were raped and abused. Secretary Acosta needs to step down
immediately. No one can give an incredibly generous plea deal to a remorseless child molester and still expect to hold the
public's trust. He failed Jeffrey Epstein's victims. He failed the people of South Florida. He cannot continue to serve. Why is
every single republican such a hypocrite?
So, if they were able to go back into a previously settled case and retry Bill Cosby, who is now in jail, then they should be
able to do the same to Mr. Epstein. Bill Cosby was also once 'untouchable' and received some dubious legal deals, but , in the
end, he got his just desserts. And even now, some question the legality of how Mr. Cosby was retried and subsequently received
jail time. If it was good for Mr. Cosby, who was also rich and influential, then it should be good for Mr. Epstein. He should
also finally face his long overdue day of reckoning.
Thank goodness for brave reporters. But we have all protected the Epsteins of the world for too long. We all protect the
Epsteins of the world when we show that we value riches and status over all else. Our churches, our legal system, our
colleges, our very laws, do more to protect the rich than the vulnerable. Someone without status in our country can suffer
more for public urination than Epstein has so far for his horrific crimes. The way we, as a culture, value status above all
else, paves the way for the Epsteins of the world to thrive. We can clutch our pearls all we want to, but when we clamor for
admission to an elite school, buy houses and cars we can't afford, buy knockoff designer goods we know were made by foreign
children, because we are desperate to show that we have status, we create a culture where status is the only protection; we
show that we value perceived status over integrity, financial solvency, decency, justice, peace, even over the safety of our
children. The fact that status is our number one value lay the path for Trump to be elected. The fake billionaire promised to
restore status to those who felt that the little they had had been robbed from them by minorities, women, gays. And while many
of us are horrified with the results, everything we do that shows that we, too, value perceived status over anything else,
makes us part of this problem. If we did not adore the rich and powerful, they would not have so much power.
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I've more than a few questions; but my main one is why we continue to put up with a government that has shielded this
pedophile, headed by a President accused of sexual assault himself? Trump & Acosta would resign if there were a shred of
decency in either of them. Putting up with their leadership is unequivocally abusive to over half of the population of the
United States.
If you can afford Epstein's lawyers his sentence is the kind of outcome you expect. His lawyers dictated to Acosta the
sentence they would accept. Acosta was rewarded and part of the service was to insure everything was kept quiet all those
years.
The Epstein saga reminds me of that long-running joke (and movie) The Aristocrats. A joke so filthy and disgusting that it's
been told, retold and embellished for decades. What's that saying about many a truth told in jest? Epstein shows there's moral
debauchery that comes with obscene wealth. The 1 per cent have lost their ethical bearings. Good journalism has shined some
antiseptic light on this perversion of justice. Well done.
SHAKINSPEAR
In a Thoughtful state
July
9
Times Pick
I have no confidence in the validity of this investigation that appears to me to be a retaliation against Democrats by the
political Trump Justice Department. The motive is glaringly apparent. Aside from the political motivations of this case, the
Press conference was clearly an attempt at tampering with the potential Jury pool, national in scope.
Let no one be above the law. Victims need to have their day in court. Search his other homes and hide-outs, and don't let him
post bail or plea out. Sordid to say the least. I hope there is justice.
@Richard This is not a Democratic or Republican issue... in spite of many political comments to this article. This is about
wealthy, well-connected men and boys who are sexual predators with perverse predilections for girls and young women. This is
about wealthy and well-connected predators who, when caught, may never face trial... and who, if tried and found guilty, are
handled with kid gloves, usually receiving inappropriately weak sentences.
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They really threw the book at him the first time, didn't they? Are you in jail, and able to leave six days a week. It's almost
as if they didn't see it as a serious offense, except for the year in jail and being able to leave six days a week. I wonder
if the girls he molested back then are able to work six days a week.
He was allowed to leave the Palm Beach County jail 6 days a week to work????? What kind of sentence is that????? He is
obviously not just a predator but a very bold and unconcerned one, to have kept all this evidence showing apparently under-age
girls in his Manhattan home. When you have that much money, and you have gotten away with such filth and corruption your
entire life, you think that you will always be able to buy your way out of trouble. And most of these kinds of people do. I do
hope that this time he pays dearly for what he has done. It is hard to imagine what kind of a mind preys on children like
this.
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Well done to the current law enforcement officers, investigators and prosecutors who were willing to go after this rich
connected man, who should spend years in prison for such terrible crimes against children. Keep the coverage in the news, so
his victims this time see justice served.
Re: the deal that Acosta cut. According to a February 2017 NYT article, "...As part of the agreement, Mr. Acosta's office
agreed not to bring federal charges against Mr. Epstein or any of his potential co-conspirators, court papers show..." Who
comes to an agreement with a defendant promising not to charge other "potential" co-conspirators? Who else was Acosta
protecting??? This stunk to high heaven then and stinks now.
As a sex trafficking survivor and advocate for others caught up in the traps set for us (sex trafficking is sexual activity
instigated through fraud, force, and/or coercion) most of us would point to the privileged and fraudulent deal Epstein got as
a reason to logically have zero trust in the Lord and social process. This action taken by New York Federal Prosecutors
against Epstein challenges our logical distrust. I want to believe in this new day. The trick Epstein and his lawyers used was
to twist the narrative - fraudulently procured women engaged in an act of prostitution - viola - the act of prostitution (even
through fraud my friends) has socially conferd the identity of prostitute.... And could these young corrupt prostitutes be
seen as lilly white witnesses for the prosecution? This twisted reframing of identity for the exploitation of Epstein legal
team was yet another crime. Then, third hit was not informing victims - how was this justice. I want to believe.
This case is local to me, live in Palm Beach, and one I've followed from day 1. The case and the treatment of Epstein never
made sense. Obviously the Feds were in charge of the deal that was brokered, but local officials played a part as well. Former
Palm Beach State Attorney Krischer signed off on this deal. PBSO sheriff Bradshaw signed off on the sweetheart jail deal. Both
of these offices need to be investigated as well.
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As an attorney, it is misleading to the public to suggest that one can be prosecuted twice for the same crime. First, there is
the issue of the scope of the Florida disposition. Rest assured Epstein's attorneys will focus on cramming all the "new"
evidence into the Florida package. Second, Berman will have to prove the "new" evidence post-dates the Florida matters. Third
-probably most critical- Berman must convince the court that probable cause to look into Epstein's alleged behavior arose from
something OTHER than the mere fact of the Florida matter.
I grew up in NYC in the 60's. My sister brother and myself all went to the school Birch Wathen. I have nothing but the fondest
memories of my early school years. It sickens and saddens me that a place where so many children received an amazing education
devolved to a place where hundreds or thousands of young girls were victimized and sexually abused. 9 east 71st St use to be a
place of learning and love. I hope the building in its next incarnation will returns to an institution that will teach and
nurture children.
So the Justice Department gets a 'do-over' after bungling their first try over a decade ago. A slap on the wrist was
administered to this predator who has continued to prey on young women. Let's see if money, power and connections once again
win the day and put him back on the street. One would think justice will certainly prevail, but look at all the people who are
not even prosecuted due to influence and wealth.
My only concern with the MeToo movement is our loss of the presumption of innocence. It's fundamental to our judicial system.
But if he IS found guilty -- AFTER due process -- then he should be punished to the full extent of the law. These sorts of
crimes are far too common and no one should be given a plea bargain, no matter how far up it reaches.
Epstein and his wealthy powerful covert treated girls as disposable playthings to be passed around and used up, with no
concern for their autonomy or humanity. Even when caught, he had enough connections that he served virtually no time, and his
case was sealed. And the guy that brokered the deal, Acosta, was rewarded mightily for that. Is there any wonder we have such
and abysmal record of abuse of females and femicide? Is it any wonder that rape kits go untested? That our full health care s
up for debate and decided by panels made up of men alone, with no female input? These abusers protect each other and continue
to keep females under their thumbs because they can and because they themselves benefit from female oppression.
I was pretty impressed by both the NYC prosecutor and the FBI during this morning's press conference. They seemed firmly in
the corner of the young women who were sexually abused by doing a good job explaining why this was criminal abuse by Epstein,
not choice on the part of the victims. The press conference participants also made a point of showing a display with Epstein's
photo and an FBI contact number for other victims to call. The FBI went so far as to explain what buttons to push when victims
called in. I would like to see wide dissemination of Epstein's photo and the FBI number in the press so that victims know
where to call to lodge their complaints
Clinton was involved is not he? So was it Clinton who advised Mueller to list Epstein as an
intelligence asset.
Notable quotes:
"... As a sex trafficking survivor and advocate for others caught up in the traps set for us (sex trafficking is sexual activity instigated through fraud, force, and/or coercion) most of us would point to the privileged and fraudulent deal Epstein got as a reason to logically have zero trust in the Lord and social process. ..."
"... he trick Epstein and his lawyers used was to twist the narrative - fraudulently procured women engaged in an act of prostitution - viola - the act of prostitution (even through fraud my friends) has socially conferd the identity of prostitute.... ..."
"... This twisted reframing of identity for the exploitation of Epstein legal team was yet another crime. Then, third hit was not informing victims - how was this justice. I want to believe. ..."
"... So much truly disgusting, criminal, evil behavior. Acosta catered to a pedophile while he threw the child victims under the bus. He should be behind bars as an accomplice. A president whose "modeling" agency served as a model for Epstein's "modeling" agency. ..."
Re: the deal that Acosta cut. According to a February 2017 NYT article, "...As part of the
agreement, Mr. Acosta's office agreed not to bring federal charges against Mr. Epstein or any
of his potential co-conspirators, court papers show..." Who comes to an agreement with a
defendant promising not to charge other "potential" co-conspirators? Who else was Acosta
protecting??? This stunk to high heaven then and stinks now.
This case is local to me, live in Palm Beach, and one I've followed from day 1. The case and
the treatment of Epstein never made sense. Obviously the Feds were in charge of the deal that
was brokered, but local officials played a part as well. Former Palm Beach State Attorney
Krischer signed off on this deal. PBSO sheriff Bradshaw signed off on the sweetheart jail
deal. Both of these offices need to be investigated as well.
Epstein and his wealthy powerful covert treated girls as disposable playthings to be passed
around and used up, with no concern for their autonomy or humanity. Even when caught, he had
enough connections that he served virtually no time, and his case was sealed. And the guy
that brokered the deal, Acosta, was rewarded mightily for that. Is there any wonder we have
such and abysmal record of abuse of females and femicide? Is it any wonder that rape kits go
untested? That our full health care s up for debate and decided by panels made up of men
alone, with no female input? These abusers protect each other and continue to keep females
under their thumbs because they can and because they themselves benefit from female
oppression.
I was pretty impressed by both the NYC prosecutor and the FBI during this morning's press
conference. They seemed firmly in the corner of the young women who were sexually abused by
doing a good job explaining why this was criminal abuse by Epstein, not choice on the part of
the victims. The press conference participants also made a point of showing a display with
Epstein's photo and an FBI contact number for other victims to call. The FBI went so far as
to explain what buttons to push when victims called in. I would like to see wide
dissemination of Epstein's photo and the FBI number in the press so that victims know where
to call to lodge their complaints
@Richard This is not a Democratic or Republican issue... in spite of many political comments
to this article. This is about wealthy, well-connected men and boys who are sexual predators
with perverse predilections for girls and young women. This is about wealthy and
well-connected predators who, when caught, may never face trial... and who, if tried and
found guilty, are handled with kid gloves, usually receiving inappropriately weak sentences.
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He was allowed to leave the Palm Beach County jail 6 days a week to work????? What kind of
sentence is that????? He is obviously not just a predator but a very bold and unconcerned
one, to have kept all this evidence showing apparently under-age girls in his Manhattan home.
When you have that much money, and you have gotten away with such filth and corruption your
entire life, you think that you will always be able to buy your way out of trouble. And most
of these kinds of people do. I do hope that this time he pays dearly for what he has done. It
is hard to imagine what kind of a mind preys on children like this. 16 Replies
"Under the agreement, Mr. Epstein pleaded guilty to state prostitution charges and spent
about a year in a Palm Beach jail. He was permitted to leave the facility six days a week for
12 hours a day to work." "The agreement was negotiated in part by Alexander Acosta, a former
federal prosecutor who is now President Trump's secretary of labor." As Labor Secretary,
Acosta is responsible for monitoring human trafficking. Trump placed the fox Acosta in charge
of the henhouse. Trump needs to be held accountable, for his links to Epstein and Acosta, and
we need to know what kind to backroom deals were made. Unfortunately we have a two tiered
justice system, one for the super wealthy and one for the rest.
As a sex trafficking survivor and advocate for others caught up in the traps set for us
(sex trafficking is sexual activity instigated through fraud, force, and/or coercion) most of
us would point to the privileged and fraudulent deal Epstein got as a reason to logically
have zero trust in the Lord and social process.
This action taken by New York Federal Prosecutors against Epstein challenges our logical
distrust. I want to believe in this new day. T he trick Epstein and his lawyers used was
to twist the narrative - fraudulently procured women engaged in an act of prostitution -
viola - the act of prostitution (even through fraud my friends) has socially conferd the
identity of prostitute....
And could these young corrupt prostitutes be seen as lilly white witnesses for the
prosecution? This twisted reframing of identity for the exploitation of Epstein legal
team was yet another crime. Then, third hit was not informing victims - how was this justice.
I want to believe.
So the Justice Department gets a 'do-over' after bungling their first try over a decade ago.
A slap on the wrist was administered to this predator who has continued to prey on young
women. Let's see if money, power and connections once again win the day and put him back on
the street. One would think justice will certainly prevail, but look at all the people who
are not even prosecuted due to influence and wealth. 8 Replies
So much truly disgusting, criminal, evil behavior. Acosta catered to a pedophile while he
threw the child victims under the bus. He should be behind bars as an accomplice. A president
whose "modeling" agency served as a model for Epstein's "modeling" agency. A president
who praised Epstein and winked at his penchant for girls "on the young side." Lawyers,
including Alan Dershowitz, who ran interference for Epstein so that he was free to molest so
many other children. Dershowitz stands accused, in civil suits, of being a party to the
horrors. He claims he's innocent. Whether or not he committed a felony, he committed a crime
against morality by helping to keep Epstein on the prowl for years. As yet unnamed big shots
who wallowed in the swamp with Epstein and also belong behind bars. Anyone and everyone
associated with Epstein in his felonies needs to be named and exposed to the light of day,
whoever they are. They ALL deserve punishment and universal condemnation.
Again, news that makes you wonder how deep this boys club goes. In his Playboy interview in
1987, Gore Vidal said that the genius of our ruling class is that "they're so brilliant that
no one knows they even exist." He went on to defend himself from accusations that he's a
conspiracy theorist. "'You think they get together at the Bohemian Grove and run the United
States.' Well, they do get together at the Bohemian Grove and do a lot of picking of
Secretaries of State, anyway. But they don't have to conspire. They all think alike." Don't
know what the Bohemian Grove is? Look it up.
I told my 14 yr old daughter what this monster has been accused of and she looked like she
was going to vomit. Dirty old men have been around for centuries, time to expose them and
protect our daughters!!!
@MS "In a particularly unusual provision of that agreement, Acosta agreed that prosecutors
would “not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of
Epstein” and would “suspend” the grand jury investigation. That provision
suggests that Epstein was seeking to protect others beyond himself." This stinks! Acosta
should be disbarred and indicted as an accomplice. Justice was not served here!
As an attorney, it is misleading to the public to suggest that one can be prosecuted twice
for the same crime. First, there is the issue of the scope of the Florida disposition. Rest
assured Epstein's attorneys will focus on cramming all the "new" evidence into the Florida
package. Second, Berman will have to prove the "new" evidence post-dates the Florida matters.
Third -probably most critical- Berman must convince the court that probable cause to look
into Epstein's alleged behavior arose from something OTHER than the mere fact of the Florida
matter.
Yes, great injustices occur in this country on a daily basis, now we'll have to watch and see
how many scums will be revealed... Full blown banana republic, where sexual predators flying
all over the world on their private jets, living in a most exclusive mansions in NYC, sailing
on their luxury yachts and avoiding justice for decades with non prosecution deal constructed
in hush-hush dark rooms of shadow justice. I wonder how Barr's DOJ will twist itself in
pretzels to include the question of citizenship on 2020 census. Nothing will shock me
anymore.
Secretary Acosta, now calling Epstein's crimes 'horrific", but let Epstein plead to a charge
of prostitution, carrying a much lesser sentence. Epstein was allowed to leave jail 6 days a
week for 12 hours a day. No child of the age of 14 can be a prostitute, no matter if money
was exchanged for sex. These girls were raped and abused. Secretary Acosta needs to step down
immediately. No one can give an incredibly generous plea deal to a remorseless child molester
and still expect to hold the public’s trust. He failed Jeffrey Epstein’s victims.
He failed the people of South Florida. He cannot continue to serve. Why is every single
republican such a hypocrite?
Thank goodness for brave reporters. But we have all protected the Epsteins of the world for
too long. We all protect the Epsteins of the world when we show that we value riches and
status over all else. Our churches, our legal system, our colleges, our very laws, do more to
protect the rich than the vulnerable. Someone without status in our country can suffer more
for public urination than Epstein has so far for his horrific crimes. The way we, as a
culture, value status above all else, paves the way for the Epsteins of the world to thrive.
We can clutch our pearls all we want to, but when we clamor for admission to an elite school,
buy houses and cars we can't afford, buy knockoff designer goods we know were made by foreign
children, because we are desperate to show that we have status, we create a culture where
status is the only protection; we show that we value perceived status over integrity,
financial solvency, decency, justice, peace, even over the safety of our children. The fact
that status is our number one value lay the path for Trump to be elected. The fake
billionaire promised to restore status to those who felt that the little they had had been
robbed from them by minorities, women, gays. And while many of us are horrified with the
results, everything we do that shows that we, too, value perceived status over anything else,
makes us part of this problem. If we did not adore the rich and powerful, they would not have
so much power.
I’m a lifelong cynic. Poor folks, minority folks and women never get full justice.
Harvey Weinstein paid up but was there justice? Was there full restitution? I’m saying
here that the defendant—white, male, wealthy and a friend of the president—walks.
Because money talks. I dare justice to prove me wrong. Just once. These girls had mothers.
These girls had a future. Once upon a time.
@Paul Kramer you are citing textbook law but this is not a textbook case. A federal judge
ruled the 2008 deal was illegal. The NY prosecutors are NOT saying they are limited to
post-2008; stuff they are saying that deal only binds the Southern District of Florida. That
could easily be a reference to the illegality finding.
The Prosecutors in Florida may say they don't see a reason to recharge after that finding
of illegality, but since the agreement has no force or effect the NY feds could conclude
otherwise. Especially because there was always criminal conduct with SDNY and they should not
be bound by an illegal deal entered into by prosecutors elsewhere.
The Epstein saga reminds me of that long-running joke (and movie) The Aristocrats. A joke so
filthy and disgusting that it's been told, retold and embellished for decades. What's that
saying about many a truth told in jest? Epstein shows there's moral debauchery that comes
with obscene wealth. The 1 per cent have lost their ethical bearings. Good journalism has
shined some antiseptic light on this perversion of justice. Well done.
@Paul Kramer In case you didn't read the article, these are entirely New York charges. No
Florida here. He also had porn of young girls and that is also something very bad for a
registered sex offender. You seriously underestimate the league that these prosecutors have
been playing in.
News reports say that in the Florida case co-conspirators were kept secret and not charged.
Hopefully this list becomes public soon. Could there be an orange colored dude currently in
Washington on that list?
My 13-year-old just read the article in The York Times. Here are her questions: “Mommy,
is it true our president was accused of raping a teenager?” “Mommy, why would a
lawyer allow Jeff Epstein who hurt teen girls to go to work everyday instead of being in
jail?” “Mommy, what’s masturbation and sex toys?” “Mommy, what
happens to the photos of naked girls? Do they know he has them? Do their parents and friends
know? You said once a photo is on-line, it can be on other people’s computers forever.
What’s going to happen to them?” “Mommy, why would this man’s
girlfriend help him find girls to give him naked massages?” Innocent Children! This man
corrupted the innocence of children—those he directly abused—and every child
exposed to his disgusting perversions via the news. I want justice now, as does every single
adult who cares about our youth!
@Elin Minkoff said "It is hard to imagine what kind of a mind preys on children like this." A
very sick mind, one that is self-important, egotistical, unconcerned with the interests or
rights of anyone else, and has no regard for the law or for societal norms. Doesn't that
sound just like a man who has been a public servant since January 20, 2017?
The real hero here is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald. The evidence was there all the time
and law enforcement knew about it. By publishing the long piece in the Herald, she made it
impossible to ignore any longer. 1 Reply
"Seeking to detain" -- does that mean that they are considering the possibility that this man
should be let out on bail AGAIN. Poor and minority Americans languish in the mass
incarceration-industrial-complex for minor infractions for years, or for not having the
ability to pay fines or bail, but this serial pedophile might go free again because he has
money? There should be no chance that this creep receives a "get out of jail free" card
again, unless we want to highlight to the world -- over and over -- how thoroughly corrupt
and morally bankrupt our system of justice is in America.
Epstein didn't get his sweetheart deal in 2008 because he is one of those "insulated,
powerful men [who] can escape accountability." He got it because he has information, damning
information, about a slew of other powerful men, who then intervened to protect him. The US
attorney for the SDNY has unwittingly opened a can of doo-doo which will either be quickly
closed again with some clever lawyering and strained legalistic parsing or, if not, will
reveal a dark underbelly at the highest ranks of society that I think even those calling for
Epstein's scalp might wish had never been exposed.
That he would still be in possession of child pornography illustrates just how insulated and
safe he felt in his position. And why wouldn't he? Protected on all sides by powerful
political and financial connections. As E.J. Dionne said in his column today, we are in the
Age of Impunity. Well, maybe no more for this arrogant perverted abuser. Next up, Acosta's
day of reckoning. Noted in a different publication is his accomplice for over a decade, a
woman, Ghislaine Maxwell, who facilitated many of the girls' victimization. Not sure why she
is not mentioned in this article.
@Dennis W This case was not "bungled." The prosecutor made a deal behind closed doors, the
terms of which we are not privy to. It is not surprise to find this slimeball Acosta working
in te Trump administration. There was a quid pro quo we do not yet know about, and there were
co-conspirators not charged, also powerful, wealthy individuals. There is an entire iceberg
beneath this dirty tip.
"... For her own part, Maxwell, who has been largely overlooked, was granted immunity from prosecution as part of Epstein's prosecution deal. It turns out that Ghaislaine Maxwell has a spectacular past in the UK that has gone altogether ignored by the U.S authorities and systematically obfuscated by the U.S. media, which has repeatedly spiked stories about the pair. ..."
"... I spent many months on his trail in 2002 for Vanity Fair and discovered not only that he was not who he claimed to be professionally, but also that he had allegedly assaulted two young sisters, one of whom had been underage at the time. Very bravely, they were prepared to go on the record. They were afraid he'd use all his influence to discredit them -- and their fear turned out to be legitimate. ..."
"... Not until after the rearrest of Epstein in July 2019 have details about Maxwell and the Farmer sisters started to reemerge. In reality, Ghislaine Maxwell has a history of entanglement with political sex scandals that goes back to when she was 23 ..."
"... An extraordinary 1986 front-page British tabloid story in a British tabloid revealed that Ghislaine had a relationship with a Conservative Member of Parliament reportedly involving compromising photos taken of him with naked boys whom the MP had beaten with a cane ..."
"... It's still a pretty damned strange story though ... the claim is that some unknown person threatened to "expose" an inappropriate liaison between GM and a young Marquis, Lord Granby (son of a Duke, I guess), unless Maxwell's paper laid off a series of stories about the Tory MP's sex life ..."
"... Even if she was 23 at the time, for Robert Maxwell to use his daughter in this way was a form of abuse. He was capable of worse, and did worse ..."
"... bottom line: Ghislaine Maxwell has a 30 year history of involvement in political sex scandals and compromise operations that the corporate media has missed. ..."
Despite her 30 year career in political kompromat operations, the FBI and major media have ignored Ghislaine Maxwell.
Here's where she got her start, as detailed in 1986 on Page One of one of her father's tabloids. Complete with canes and school
boys:
For decades, the US and UK governments knew about Epstein and Maxwell's sexual kompromat operations. Maxwell and her
famous father, it turns out, have made them a family business. But, the FBI and Scotland Yard did nothing to stop them. Why? For
details - SEE FULL UPDATED REPORT:
https://caucus99percent.com/content/epstein-turned-informant-muellers-fb...
As was previously reported:
In 1996,
the FBI failed to act on an accusation that they had together sexually abused a 15 year old girl and her older sister in a
bedroom inside Epstein's Manhattan townhouse. Documents in a recent law suit filed by an alleged victim, Maria Farmer, show
that the FBI had been aware of Epstein and Maxwell's child abuse activities in New York for at least a dozen years before Epstein
was finally prosecuted in 2008 under much-reduced Florida state offenses.
https://www.yourtango.com/2019323698/who-maria-farmer-latest-woman-accus...
For her own part, Maxwell, who has been largely overlooked, was granted immunity from prosecution as part of Epstein's
prosecution deal. It turns out that Ghaislaine Maxwell has a spectacular past in the UK that has gone altogether ignored by the
U.S authorities and systematically obfuscated by the U.S. media, which has repeatedly spiked stories about the pair.
Here is some additional background and new details.
For years the rape of the Farmer sisters and the larger child sex scandal was publicly ignored by the authorities and the media.
A story intended to expose it in Vanity Fair was spiked by the editor. According to reporter Vicky Ward:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for...
I spent many months on his trail in 2002 for Vanity Fair and discovered not only that he was not who he claimed to be professionally,
but also that he had allegedly assaulted two young sisters, one of whom had been underage at the time. Very bravely, they were
prepared to go on the record. They were afraid he'd use all his influence to discredit them -- and their fear turned out to
be legitimate.
As the article was being readied for publication, Epstein made a visit to the office of Vanity Fair's then-editor, Graydon
Carter, and suddenly the women and their allegations were removed from the article. "He's sensitive about the young women,"
Carter told me at the time.
Not until after the rearrest of Epstein in July 2019 have details about Maxwell and the Farmer sisters started to reemerge.
In reality, Ghislaine Maxwell has a history of entanglement with political sex scandals that goes back to when she was 23.
An extraordinary 1986 front-page British tabloid story in a British tabloid revealed that Ghislaine had a relationship with
a Conservative Member of Parliament reportedly involving compromising photos taken of him with naked boys whom the MP had beaten
with a cane. English public school kinky. Extraordinarily, The People tabloid was controlled by the Mirror press syndicate,
owned by Ghislaine's father, Robert Maxwell, whose picture appears on the masthead above his daughter's Page One photo.
Robert Maxwell was himself a Member of Parliament for the opposing Labour Party . . .
Talk about spinning a story and flipping the narrative . . . extraordinary. Very Old School.
There's no implication of any connection between GM and the kinky Tory MP.
It's still a pretty damned strange story though ... the claim is that some unknown person threatened to "expose" an inappropriate
liaison between GM and a young Marquis, Lord Granby (son of a Duke, I guess), unless Maxwell's paper laid off a series of stories
about the Tory MP's sex life.
The strange part of the business is that ... I'm not sure what would be inappropriate about any particular relationship between
GM and Lord Granby. Was he married? If not, then ... what? I mean, yeah, it was 1986, but that's not the same as 1956, and they
were both in their early 20s. Really weird. And presumably there never was any follow-through on the threat so ... huh!?!?
@UntimelyRippd
@UntimelyRippd under the guise of defense of Ghislaine Maxwell's character. I don't buy that a telephone call was received
at the editorial office of The People from a mysterious blackmailer, at all. Smells like a smear job against an opposition
politician that Maxwell's daughter, GM had gotten to know, intimately, as insinuated.
The tabloid's "investigation" was an exceptionally nasty smear job, but that's not terribly unusual for British tabloids and
politics. We're just beginning to catch up over here.
The references to a man claiming to be a homosexual partner giving the tabloid compromising photos of "naked boys" four months
earlier, and to the Conservative MP caning them, is at least intriguing and potentially significant (particularly in light of
Ghisaile's later activities), but, as far as I know were never substantiated. Would not be surprised, nonetheless, if the Marquis
was not returned to Parliament.
The ongoing scandal this fed into was enough, apparently, to disaffect the poor MP's constituents and backers. Read the last
paragraph. "IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!"
Even if she was 23 at the time, for Robert Maxwell to use his daughter in this way was a form of abuse. He was capable of worse,
and did worse.
The Marquis in question is young Lord Ganby, who is not Harvey Proctor, the Tory MP accused of caning boys.
I agree with you on one point: I don't think anybody called The People and threatened them with exposing "compromising"
photos of GM and Lord Ganby. I think the editor of The People made the whole damned thing up, probably on RM's instructions,
in order to increase the hype around their ongoing expose of the Harvey Proctor sex scandal (with caning etc.). Which is probably
why the scandalous relationship supposedly being used as a threat isn't actually very scandalous at all -- they wouldn't want
to create a really scandalous fictitious relationship, because juicy rumours are hard to put down once you've created them.
In other words, nothing in any of this connects Ghislaine Maxwell to the alleged caning of boys by Harvey Proctor.
@UntimelyRippd and bottom line: Ghislaine Maxwell has a 30 year history of involvement in political sex scandals and compromise
operations that the corporate media has missed.
down which one could easily get lost. Ghislaine Maxwell's father (
Robert Maxwell ) was a publisher who had strong ties
to Israel and was buried there after his mysterious drowning death. There have been
rumors that Maxwell worked for the Mossad.
Maxwell, 57, comes from money. Her father was publisher Robert Maxwell - who himself faced accusations of being a Mossad
double (and possibly triple) agent and a "bad character" who was "almost certainly financed by Russia," according to the British
Foreign Office. Robert Maxwell died in 1991 when he fell from his yacht, the Lady Ghislaine - however the circumstances surrounding
his demise have been rife with speculation (including that it was a Mossad assassination - a theory which attorney and longtime
Epstein associate Alan Dershowitz slammed in a 2003 op-ed).
Ghislaine Maxwell is a good friend of the Clintons too and
was pictured having attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding . Thus far, Ghislaine Maxwell has been protected and if she continues
to be protected, then we will know that she is definitely a government asset, (CIA or Mossad?).
No one really knows what is the real story of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, but this is more than just what it appears
to be. There are many questions about
how Jeffrey Epstein acquired
his vast fortune and how he was able to become friendly with many high level politicians and influential people, including
the British royal family.
One more item: the most amusing thing about Epstein is that not a single source/person can say how he made his money. That's
a topic for a next essay, but there's this: 20 years after -ostensibly-, leaving Bear Stearns Epstein turns up as a director
for one of their SIV's.The vehicle was called Liquid Funding Ltd, and Epstein is listed as a director and chairman. The entire
vehicle went stone dead, as did Bear. But Jeffrey did not.
Leveymg, thank you for having the nerve to broach this subject because Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and their sex
peddling business may have far greater ramifications than any of us can imagine, if the truth is ever allowed to come out. I wrote
most of my comment before reading your linked essay thoroughly and I apologize for duplicating some of the content. Blackmail
is a great form of control.
We should keep a watchful eye on this story because this may be the tip of a very large and dirty iceberg that has infected
our government for a long time. Finally, Zero Hedge has an interesting editorial article up today by "Tyler Durden" that
asks a very puzzling question.
Why did Epstein fly back to the United States when he knew that the courts were unsealing 2,000 pages of his previous case?
@gulfgal98 Why, indeed did Epstein fly back into the U.S.? He should have suspected that Barr would arrest him on orders
from the Chief. Or, is JE being presented as a sacrificial lamb, being led before the rest of the herd, to succumb as a bloody
example of who calls the shots (pardon the horrible mixed metaphors, but, hey. These do occur).
I am reminded of an old FarSide cartoon in which two bears are walking on their hind legs and one of the bears has a red and
white target painted on his back. That bear-with-target would be JE, if I'm not mistaken. Wexner and associates will not take
lightly to the pressure of the klieg lights being constantly upon them.
He went right back to being accepted in the high society. Not long after he got out he had dinner with Katie Couric and George
Stephanopoulos and started right back up where he left off. You'd think that his friends would want to put some distance between
them and his perversions.
But when people talked about his registering as a sex offender he said this:
"I'm not a sexual predator, I'm an 'offender,' Epstein told The New York Post in 2011. "It's the difference between a murderer
and a person who steals a bagel."
Uh no.. Jeff you are a sexual predator and you should be still sitting in a regular prison cell for a few more years or decades
if the original case had gone to the original conclusion.
In 2010, the year after he got out of a Florida prison, Katie Couric and George Stephanopoulos dined at his Manhattan mansion
with a British royal. The next year, Epstein was photographed at a "billionaire's dinner" attended by tech titans like Jeff
Bezos and Elon Musk. A page popped up on Harvard University's website lauding his accomplishments, and superlative-filled news
releases described his lofty ambitions as he dedicated $10 million to charitable causes.
Powerful female friends served as social guarantors: Peggy Siegal, a gatekeeper for A-list events, included him in movie
screenings, and Dr. Eva Andersson-Dubin, a champion of women's health, maintained a friendship that some felt gave him credibility.
Epstein put up a website showing Stephen Hawking and other luminaries at a science gathering he had organized.
"If you looked up Jeffrey Epstein online in 2012, you would see what we all saw," Leon Botstein, president of Bard College,
said in an interview. He seemed "like an ex-con who had done well on Wall Street," who was close to the Clintons and gave money
to academic pursuits, Botstein said. That was why, he noted, Bard accepted an unsolicited $50,000 in 2011 for its high schools,
followed later that year and in 2012 by another $75,000 in donations.
Siegal threw the dinner party at Epstein's Upper East Side mansion for Prince Andrew, giving Couric, Stephanopoulos, Chelsea
Handler and others a chance to speak to a member of the royal family a few months before the much-anticipated wedding of Prince
William and Kate Middleton.
"It was just one of those strange nights," Handler said in an interview. Siegal had not emphasized who was hosting, several
guests recalled. "The invitation was positioned as, 'Do you want to have dinner with Prince Andrew?'" Siegal said. Epstein
did not speak much. Andersson-Dubin was there, but others said they barely knew who Epstein was or what he had been convicted
of.
People close to Epstein had to know what his true history was and yet they all welcomed him back in their fold.
By throwing millions of dollars at the legal system, Epstein successfully enlisted Alex
Acosta, a sitting U.S. Attorney who just resigned as Trump's Labor Secretary, to grant the
admitted sex offender a non-prosecution and an immunity agreement.
That deal, that a federal judge has since ruled illegal, helped conceal a vast child-sex
trafficking operation that targeted vulnerable minors by offering them $300 and then employed a
kind of pyramid scheme where victims were recruited to find new victims.
For decades now, as a general assignment reporter, I have had front row seats for a
procession of these kinds of defendants. I have seen the likes of Epstein before.
Over my life as a journalist, as the whirlwind of wealth concentration stripped so many
threadbare, these guys have prospered on an unprecedented scale. In our era of late-stage
vulture-capitalism, it is these most ruthless predators that are elevated before their fall by
our corporate media as living deities.
Rogues Rushmore
The elevation of Donald Trump to the Presidency marks the high-water mark for this
underworld crew who masterfully play the compliant corporate media that's transfixed by great
wealth and confer upon those that hold it all sorts of intellectual prowess so as to cultivate
proximity to them.
As we saw in the Federal prosecution and conviction of
Michael Cohen for his role in facilitating the payoff of Stormy Daniels, Trump knows
everybody has a price.
These great white men are their own law. They see themselves as the smartest guys in the
room. They have the cunning to know how to hollow out others so that they can own their souls.
With the precision of an acupuncturist, they pinpoint that pressure point that's the nexus of
desire, sexual pleasure or ambition.
These must be done with sleight of hand but even if you are caught red-handed, as long as
you have high priced representation on retainer, you can outmaneuver
prosecutors.
Weaponized Sex
Charles Kushner, the father of Jared Kushner, President Trump's senior advisor, is another
case in point.
Kushner, the real estate mogul and major Democratic campaign donor, was appointed by
Governor McGreevey to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 2002 and was nominated
by the Governor to be the chairman of the board of the sprawling bi-state multi-billion-dollar
enterprise in 2003.
McGreevey had to withdraw that nomination and
Kushner had to resign when allegations surfaced that the developer's massive donations to
his campaign might have run afoul of campaign finance and conflict of interest laws.
The year before Kushner's appointment, while on a trip to Israel, McGreevey crossed paths
with Golan Cipel, who was in his early 30s. Subsequent press reports boiled down the young
Israeli's bio to his being a former member of the Israeli Navy and a published poet.
In 2002, it was
Kushner who sponsored Cipel, for a hard to obtain work visa in the U.S. and gave him a
$30,000-a-year job in his northern New Jersey office after Cipel had worked on the McGreevey
campaign.
In the immediate aftermath of September 11, 2001, Cipel was nominated by McGreevey to a
$110,000 job to lead the state's freshly minted Homeland Security office. Cipel's status as an
Israeli citizen and his lack of executive-level counter-terrorism experience sent up multiple
flares which McGreevey ignored.
The young Governor doubled down, as he blew through his very limited 'honeymoon' political
capital trying to make the appointment stick. But the Governor's wild overstatement of Cipel's
work experience doomed the pick and Cipel handed in his resignation in March of 2002. Yet, he
was kept on at the same salary as a "policy counselor" a position he would resign from a few
months later.
In August of 2004
McGreevey resigned from office disclosing that he was "a gay American", explaining he was
compelled to make the bombshell disclosure because Cipel, with whom he had an affair, was
threatening to sue him unless he was paid $5 million (McGreevey reportedly called the U.S.
Attorney Chris Christie to report the alleged extortion).
But as Cipel tells it on his own website he was the victim of sexual harassment.
"All those things that I rationalized to myself seemed very logical at the time, but the sad
truth is that I was acting out of confusion and fear," Cipel writes. "Like many other victims
of sexual harassment, I chose to deny what had happened."
The Art of the Deal
In August of 2004 the elder Kushner, a towering figure in both American and Israeli politics
and philanthropy, pled guilty to a long list of corruption charges that could have sent him to
jail for many years if he had been your run of the mill federal defendant of color in a drug
conspiracy case.
Kushner admitted to hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, who was working with
federal investigators against him, then videotaping that sexual rendezvous and sending it to
his brother-in-law's spouse, who was Kushner's sister.
But Kushner and his lawyers would ultimately outmaneuver U.S. Attorney
Chris Christie , whose major vulnerability was his own infinite ambition for power as we
saw with Bridgegate. The night before Kushner was supposed to be in court to plead guilty, the
U.S. Attorney leaked the still un-inked deal to reporters.
But as the media waited in Newark the next day for the official deal to be confirmed in the
federal courtroom, the appointed time came and went. Behind the scenes, Kushner's lawyers and
Christie's team were going back and forth over the terms and conditions of the deal.
By the end of the day, Kushner would enter a guilty plea as advertised, but he made no
commitment to cooperate with the government or to offer up any potential co-conspirators.
According to the Department of Justice's press release, Kushner pleaded guilty to 18 counts of
filing false tax returns, one count of retaliating against a cooperating witness and one count
of making false statements to the Federal Election Commission.
By the evening news cycle, the morning's news of a plea deal was finally true, and Christie
could bask in the glory. "This is a great victory for the people of New Jersey," said the
federal prosecutor who would soon run for governor. "No matter how rich and powerful any person
may be, they will be held accountable for criminal conduct by this office."
Each of Kushner's 18 tax counts carried a maximum penalty of three years in prison and a
fine of $100,000, according to the DOJ; the witness retaliation count carried a maximum penalty
of 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000; and the
false statement charge provided for a maximum prison term of five years and a fine of
$250,000.
Scroll forward to March of 2005, though, and Kushner was sentenced to just two years --
which,
The New York Times reported at the time, was the most he "could have received under a plea
agreement reached last September," with Christie.
It was clear that Christie's office had been out-lawyered by the Kushner team. And the
Christie-approved leak -- before he had closed the deal -- definitely hadn't helped. Before
sentencing, the Department of Justice wrote a letter to the judge observing that, in the final
analysis, Kushner showed a "failure to
accept responsibility" for a long litany of criminal acts that could have landed him in
federal prison for decades."
Without a truly thorough prosecution, the House of Kushner would endure and prosper and
Kushner would see his son go on to greater things sitting in the star chamber of ultimate power
deciding who the U.S. should bomb or sell weapons to.
Equal Justice Not
Our collective attention span is so short and the non-contextual way the news is reported
assures we lose track of the narrative thread so when types like Epstein and Kushner cut their
deals we miss it.
Without the candle power of the Miami Herald 's probe
of the Epstein plea deal, we remain in the dark about how every day great wealth can insulate
the guilty, no matter heinous their crime, from really being held accountable.
Meanwhile, those without means, who are innocent, are chewed up and spit out by a criminal
justice system that is neither blind nor fair.
"We have a system of justice in this country that treats you much better if you're rich and
guilty than if you're poor and innocent," said civil rights attorney
Bryan Stevenson in his TED Talk. "Wealth, not culpability, shapes outcomes. And yet, we
seem to be very comfortable. The politics of fear and anger have made us believe that these are
problems that are not our problems."
"... I cannot verify whether Robert Maxwell was a Mossad agent or if association with the Mossad is an hereditary trait, but the possible conjecture that Epstein and Maxwell were running an intelligence operation makes sense of the questions surrounding this gruesome spectacle. ..."
"... This intelligence postulate raises a crucial question. If Epstein was a spy, who did he work for? Was it the Russians? I only ask because every time Tel Aviv comes up as a likely suspect American media tends to blame the Russians . ..."
"... Another possibly is that this affair is a classic MI6 operation and Epstein is actually the paedophile model of 007. ..."
"... it is difficult to believe that the Mossad acting by itself was powerful enough to procure for Epstein his remarkably lenient plea deal. ..."
"... If it was the Mossad, they likely enjoyed significant support from within the American intelligence community. ..."
"... Something is just not quite right about Epstein's 'career'. Hugh Hefner could live the 'Playboy' life into his nineties and never run afoul of the law or public opinion because his 'girls' driver's licenses said 18. ..."
"... As a practical matter, to a 40 or 50 year old man looking for some young flesh being 16 or 18 is a distinction without a difference but it makes a world of difference if your goal is blackmail but this begs another question. ..."
"... If you are Prince Andrew, a billionaire or an ex POTUS do your really need the services of Epstein and Maxwell to get laid- even by a teeny bopper? ..."
"... The biggest item missing from Gilad Atzmon's look at Jeffrey Epstein, is Epstein's historically biggest financial partner, Les Wexner ..."
"... In 1988 Jeffrey Epstein declared net worth of only USA $20 million where did he get the huge fortune after that? ..."
"... Wexner's trust bought the New York mansion Epstein lives in, which was raided the other day, Wexner turning it over to Epstein around 1995 ..."
"... On 30 June during the USA 2016 election, The Daily Beast ran a story about how the Jeffrey Epstein files, could destroy either the Clintons or Donald Trump https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton ..."
It is possible that Epstein is just an ordinary paedophile, a slave to his own sick depravity. But this now seems unlikely, it
leaves too many questions unresolved: why did Epstein build a sex trafficking network? Why did he seek the company of the world's
most influential characters? Why did he schlep all those royals, once and future presidents, Harvard professors and movie
stars around the world in his 'Lolita Express'? And then we get to the big question: how did he get away with it all? Back in 2007,
registered sex offender Epstein was supposed to spend the rest of his life behind bars. Instead he spent a mere thirteen months
in a VIP prison.
The Daily Beast reported yesterday that when Alexander Acosta, the former U.S. attorney in Miami who
infamously cut Epstein a non-prosecution plea deal back in 2007 , was being interviewed for the job of US labor secretary by
the Trump administration's transition team, Acosta's conduct in the Epstein affair came under scrutiny. In that interview Acosta
allegedly said, "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone."
The more we look into this registered sex offender's saga, the more it appears to have the characteristics of a gargantuan espionage
operation. If so, then Epstein was running a multi-million intelligence apparatus set to accumulate dirt on some of the world's
most influential people. The walls of his Caribbean island palace were rigged with cameras, and likely for reasons other than his
personal libidinal gratification. Epstein didn't work alone. Press reports allege that Ghislaine Maxwell functioned as Epstein's
'madam.'
Multiple court filings reviewed and reported on by the Miami Herald reveal that lawyers
for one of Epstein's alleged victims claim that Maxwell helped traffic girls and women to powerful figures. The same documents report
that the alleged victims were lured into the sex ring by offers of modelling, fashion, and educational opportunities.
Ghislaine is the youngest child of the flamboyant Jewish media tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died under mysterious circumstances
in November 1991. Shortly before he died, a self-proclaimed former Mossad officer named
Ari Ben-Menashe
had approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the United States with the allegation that Maxwell was a long-time
agent for the Israeli intelligence service.
I cannot verify whether Robert Maxwell was a Mossad agent or if association with the Mossad is an hereditary trait, but the possible
conjecture that Epstein and Maxwell were running an intelligence operation makes sense of the questions surrounding this gruesome
spectacle.
This intelligence postulate raises a crucial question. If Epstein was a spy, who did he work for? Was it the Russians? I only
ask because every time Tel Aviv comes up as a likely suspect
American media tends to blame the Russians
.
Maybe Epstein was working for the Iranians, all indications are that the Trump's administration is desperate for a pretext
for a war with Iran. Another possibly is that this affair is a classic MI6 operation and Epstein is actually the paedophile model
of 007.
If the espionage conspiracy theory is correct, then the Mossad and the CIA would be the natural suspects. Yet it is difficult
to believe that the Mossad acting by itself was powerful enough to procure for Epstein his remarkably lenient plea deal.
It is almost
impossible to imagine that Acosta, acting as the federal prosecutor, would take instructions from Israel. If it was the Mossad,
they likely enjoyed significant support from within the American intelligence community. I assume that Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's
former attorney, may be able to answer some of these questions. He seems to know the details:
Could there be a connection to Starr's role in covering up the Vince Foster murder? See "Was Vince Foster's Murder PizzaGate-Related?
http://dcdave.com/article5/161213.htm . Maybe Starr is an
all-purpose Deep State fixer when it comes to pedophilia.
Gangbangers are known to be extremely stimulated by teens on the young side. Epstein sent invitations to socially acclaimed
gangbangers letting them know that dozens of young teens were going to be at his parties. Epstein's was a voyeur, his reward
was to enjoy watching the high and mighty descend into depravity. He masturbated while watching the orgy.
Epstein has been pegged for more than a decade in my books as a MOSSAD agent running a global, THE global pedo ring used
to blackmail and bribe powerful, connected people for his masters. It was NO secret.
I know that Gilad knows the VT crew, they
reported on this many years ago I think. besides which you'd have to be a retard not to have put 2 and 2 together years ago
from what was public knowledge.
Unless of course one is naive and doesn't understand the nature of 'intelligence agencies' and
their methods. Particularly MOSSAD/CIA. Circumstantial evidence alone would just about convict him.
What I am wondering is if Trump is dirty or clean. This will be hugely significant going forward. If Trump is dirty, then
Epstein is in the right place at the right time for his masters to make sure Trump dances to their tune without fail. Only remaining
queston besides who are his masters? Do they want war with Iran, or not? Guess we will know when the next false flag in the
Gulf goes off.
@Tono Bungay Sure, the 'international man of mystery' , Epstein, is the issue but the labeling of him as a paedophile by
the media is not an accident. Almost 30 years ago, Rep. Gerry Studds could stand on the floor of the House of
Representatives and defend his pouring vodka down the gullet of a 16 year old page boy before sodomizing him as 'consensual
sex'. Studds was not called a paedophile by the Washington Post or the NYTs.
Raúl Ilargi Meijer has an interesting article at his website ( https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/07/why-did-jeffrey-epstein-fly-back-to-the-us/
) that asks the important question of why did Epstein come back to the US knowing he was going to be indicted?
Something is just not quite right about Epstein's 'career'. Hugh Hefner could live the 'Playboy' life into his
nineties and never run afoul of the law or public opinion because his 'girls' driver's licenses said 18.
As a practical matter, to a 40 or 50 year old man looking
for some young flesh being 16 or 18 is a distinction without a difference but it makes a world of difference if your goal is
blackmail but this begs another question.
If you are Prince Andrew, a billionaire or an ex POTUS do your really need the services
of Epstein and Maxwell to get laid- even by a teeny bopper? None of this story makes much sense save for the fact that Epstein
has fallen out of favor and must have feared for his life had he stayed in Paris.
The biggest item missing from Gilad Atzmon's look at Jeffrey Epstein, is Epstein's historically biggest financial partner,
Les Wexner
Wexner the lead figure in a group of about 20 aggressive Zionist Jewish billionaires named as the 'Mega Group' in the 1990s
Wexner possibly the main funder & creator of the whole 'blackmail via under-age girls on an island' scheme
Did Les Wexner, with his fierce wish to destroy the enemies of Zionism, along with his fellow 'Mega Group' billionaires,
fund the expensive show of 'Jeffrey Epstein billionaire with private jet' all in order to create a Mossad honeypot blackmail
scheme abusing under-age girls, in order to entrap major politicians into being compelled to support Israel? To 'save &
protect Jewish lives'?
In 1988 Jeffrey Epstein declared net worth of only USA $20 million where did he get the huge fortune after that?
Wexner's trust bought the New York mansion Epstein lives in, which was raided the other day, Wexner turning it over to Epstein
around 1995
Les Wexner has himself been named as the paymaster of kidnappers of a menaced young woman, in a court filing involving Ghislaine
Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, Alan Dershowitz etc
Dershowitz admits he had a massage at Epstein's place, tho by an 'older Russian woman' and Dersh 'kept his underwear on'
maybe this 'Russian' a girl who looked older with all her make-up?
In the 2008 'deal' after Epstein's 2007 indictment, ultra-Zionist Alan Dershowitz was a leading lawyer brokering that deal
Now Dershowitz seems to have sabotaged Epstein, Dershowitz arguing in court that Epstein files should be unsealed and made
public Dershowitz won that battle in a US federal appeals court 2 July, 4 days before Epstein was arrested
Dershowitz claimed he was trying to defend himself but that seems silly Epstein files cannot 'prove a negative' that Dershowitz
never raped children, there can only be a lack of evidence and files show Dershowitz deeply connected with Epstein
Daily Beast is the media leading the charge against Epstein now with 'insider scoops' from prosecutors
Daily Beast was founded in 2008 by Jewish media kingpin Barry Diller, & Tina Brown 'who has Jewish grand-father'
The 'prosecution' of Jeffrey Epstein is ... involving prosecutors connected to both Trumps & Clintons
Lead prosecutor of Epstein is Jewish Geoffrey Berman, law partner of Rudy Giuliani 'Mr 9-11' who is now Donald Trump's top
personal lawyer
Assisting Berman, is Maurene Comey, daughter of Hillary ally & former FBI Director James Comey, fired by Trump, Maurene Comey
married into the Zionist Issacharoff family, her new father-in-law having taught at Tel Aviv University
Wikipedia, run by CIA-Mossad ex-pornographer Jimmy Wales, close friend of Israeli presidents, has edited Epstein's biography
to delete the USA Democrats connected with Epstein and to delete references Epstein is Jewish
Epstein made the same claim as Jimmy Wales, of getting their mysterious money by 'foreign currency trading', which crushes
most people who try to do it it seems this is a cover story for getting political money from Jewish sources
At the age of 20, university drop-out Jeffrey Epstein, was hired to teach maths & physics to teen-age girls & boys, at the
prestigious private Dalton School in Manhattan, where he worked from 1973-75
The headmaster who hired Epstein, was Jewish convert to Christianity Donald Barr (1921-2004), who is the father of Donald
Trump's current Attorney General William Barr (born 1950) who thus has Jewish ancestral heritage
@Brabantian hind all these accusations
by the woman who has accused Wexner of having sex with her. Her unpublished manuscript for a book did not mention Dershowitz,
he was a very late addition. She also originally claimed to have been 15 when she started work with Epstein but now acknowledges
she was 17.
No one in their right mind is going to involve their lawyer or allow his to have knowledge of the very crimes that the lawyer
is defending him on. First of all, you cannot expect a lawyer to stand up police pressure. Secondly, lawyers are far more effective
if they believe their client is innocent.
@Brabantian llionaires named as the 'Mega
Group' in the 1990s Wexner possibly the main funder & creator of the whole 'blackmail via under-age girls on an island' scheme
This works better than either the 'jus' a feller who liked 'em young' or the 'Mossad agent' extremes.
Epstein, Wexner, et al would be like Sheldon Adelson; 'mighty warriors for Yahweh.' They're taking their money and talents
and using them to fight the good fight for Israel.
Certainly Israel's happy to benefit -- and no doubt she cooperates fully -- but she's not really the driving engine of this
scheme.
I'm not convinced of this myself -- but it makes a better working hypothesis than anything else I've read yet.
' If you are Prince Andrew, a billionaire or an ex POTUS do your really need the services of Epstein and Maxwell to get
laid- even by a teeny bopper? '
If you think through the practical scenarios, the answer might be 'yeah, you do.'
that is, unless you shortly want to read all the details about your weekend together with your love-toy in the National
Enquirer.
Lawyers need brains, but also to have a lot of the actor about them to be good in court. They suspend their disbelief, and
don't expect the fourth wall to be broken. Even after an acquittal, it is considered very bad form for the client to tell the
lawyer he was guilty.
Supposing they are found guilty, there is then less reason than before the trial to make even implicit admissions, because
they have one last hope of a successful appeal. So no one is going to give their their lawyer any reason to think they are guilty.
Prison is full of innocent convicts.
@Colin Wright liked older women, as with
Sarah Ferguson (he went gay for a while after that) and Koo Stark. Before that he astounded the the Queen by asking out a friend
of hers who was decades older than him.
Anyway the woman fabricating all these these allegations was at least 17 years old at the time. He could have had young looking
18 or 19 year olds as a single man if that was his thing. He could have married a 16 year old if he wanted. Andrew official
position at the time was to drum up business for UK exporters, so he hung out with moneyed Wall Street figures. The allegation
against him is bullcrap.
@Sean beaten 5-3 by Portugal in the World
Cup of 1966 after leading 3-0. This occurred on July 23rd, 1966, 5 days after my fifteenth birthday. (53 years ago.)
I would never confuse that with hearing about the first man walking on the moon on July 20th 1969, 2 days after my eighteenth.
Even if her memory is not as good as mine, she would surely know how old she was and what grade she was in high school when
she started working at Mar-A-Lago, and even if she didn't, making legal depositions is not the same as a casual conversation
after a few drinks when a slip of the tongue might give the wrong year.
You have had a real field day, more like a feast on Epstein for your diet of champions: SCAPEGOATING JEWS.
How delicious it must be for you to have someone so loathed a defense is non existent.
A billionaire pedophile with secret money. Check every box. So easy my poodles could write this feast of Scapegoat crap.
The true test of a lazy mind to figure 3 articles about this guy. Have you done Kabbalah numerology to decipher the meaning
of his name in the Torah, or did they find the protocols amongst his belongings, or secret nuclear codes with notes to take
over the world? You are a true mental midget Gilad, to weaponize this guy among the Jew hating crowd. But that is your true
calling article after article pin the tail on the Jewish scapegoat artist, feed the frenzy.
I leave you with this article by Hirshi Ali, talking about the white elephant in the room. Baked into the DNA of muslims. Interesting
how she points out the myth of the Jews buying power, vs the Islamist. https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-ilhan-omar-overcome-her-prejudice-11562970265
The allegation that Jewish or Zionist money controls Congress is nonsensical. The Center for Responsive Politics estimates
that the Israeli government has spent $34 million on lobbying in Washington since 2017. The Saudis and Qataris spent a combined
$51 million during the same period. If we include foreign nongovernmental organizations, the pro-Israel lobbying figure
rises to $63 million -- less than the $68 million spent lobbying for Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
Hirsi Ali
Islamists have understood well how to couple Muslim anti-Semitism with the American left's vague notion of "social justice."
They have succeeded in couching their agenda in the progressive framework of the oppressed versus the oppressor. Identity
politics and victimhood culture also provide Islamists with the vocabulary to deflect their critics with accusations of
"Islamophobia," "white privilege" and "insensitivity." A perfect illustration was the way Ms. Omar and her allies were able
to turn a House resolution condemning her anti-Semitism into a garbled "intersectional" rant in which Muslims emerged as
the most vulnerable minority in the league table of victimhood.
@Sean depressing that he spent his time
securing acquittals for people who not only were guilty, but were usually very bad actors to boot. After all, first-time offenders
can usually do alright with the public defender. By the time anyone hired Spencer, they were usually repeat offenders, had done
something horrific again , and were looking at some serious time unless the family threw money into the kitty and paid
Spencer's fee.
The other lawyer was a guy who'd gone back to teaching high school after his kids were grown up -- he thought other lawyers
sucked. Thinking back over his career, he could think of one client he'd had who was convicted that he genuinely thought
was innocent.
There is no defense of him. You never comprehend what I wrote. My point being, the only reason he is being written about
is that he is Jewish. So you can imprint all your Jewphobia on to him.
IE: All Jewish men are pedophiles. Its called racism and scapegoating, you are always so slow to understand.
My fault is with Gilad posting every criminal Jew he can get his hands on. "look, look a criminal Jew."
No, Epstein is not being written about because he is Jewish. He is being written about because he variously seduced and raped
girls as young as thirteen and trafficked in them to the rich and famous, including almost certainly a former US president.
It's all incredibly corrupt and lurid, including suborned courts and government officials, hints of involvement on the part
of a member of the British Royal family, a personal 737 equipped with a bed, and a private island.
This guy would be a story no matter what he was. Face it. If the Jewish angle is having any impact at all, it's probably
making some people back off.
@Colin Wright l their mothers that he
had duped them (he paid out tens of millions in compensation as part of the deal). He could have had 18 year olds galore, paid
them properly, and even if they went to the press he could say. "So What!"
Instead he is a convicted sex offender who had to agree to register as such to get his plea deal, now any charge against
him will be a slam dunk. And the trafficking a 14 year old charge is going to get him life in prison, and because of the previous
deal the judge will specify a real prison, which is somewhere Epstein will have to be isolated and soon wish himself dead.
And the focus will stay on Epstein so that all the Elites who were sexually assaulting 11-16 year old girls and boys on that
island will remain covered up. So far, they have only mentioned the same names they have already mentioned the first time this
story broke; Clinton, Prince Andrew, and a couple others.
So, it is likely that much more powerful people who were involved will be protected from indictment.
Because Jewsus loves all the children of the world, red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight.
We all bleed red, man! "He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth." (Acts 17:26)
@Sean hey'd have a hell of a time if they
started trying to make sure he never got drunk and fired off his assault rifle in the camp ground.
My point here is that like the N.R.A., Israel can command the allegiance of quite an army of supporters. It's not, however,
a very disciplined army, and Israel can't actually keep many of these troops from acting like idiots if they feel like acting
like idiots. They're allies, actually; not servants. Israel goes to them, and says 'would you,' or they come to Israel and say
'I could' -- but then they go off on their own and have that hot little shiksa who wouldn't even look at them when they
were a pimply adolescent. There's nothing Israel can do about that.
A) As part of a sophisticated secret service operation for compromising VIPs, Epstein became a self confessed child molester
who pled guilty to specimen charges. He then helpfully left thousands of photos of victims he had not faced charges about strewn
around his properties, so that investigators could easily frame new charges that would–will–put him in prison for the rest of
his life.
B) Epstein got his dick caught in his zipper. No one can understand how a financial conjurer of considerable personal charm
could have been so stupid, so it is being assumed that there was much more to it than other sex scandals like Weinstein, Luis
K . But the accounts of Epstein's victims are in fact very similar to the aforementioned cases. Epstein liked mastubating in
front of the girls as much as if not rather more rather than actually having sex with them. The assertion that Epstein 'belonged
to intelligence' and the prosecutor was told to "to leave it alone" (although Epstein was sent to prison amid huge publicity)
came from the prosecutor himself, Acosta, who was bullshitting.
"... To me, it starts with Wexner, and goes through the Mega Group. They were/are powerful deep interests out to help themselves and their pet cause Israel. Powerful non-state actors who could benefit Israel while still maintaining an arm's length relationship. Perhaps Bush wasn't the only state leader surprised on 9/11. It would seem a safe bet that Larry Silverstein moves in the same socioeconomic circles as the Mega Group. ..."
"... I find this suspiciously implausible. After the first blackmail attempt no one would visit him again and he'd be dead. There are proven/known repeats. This fact kills the blackmail facade. ..."
Epstein's Mossad connection is becoming more clear - it's an 'open secret' that blackmailing
'influential' individuals is a simple modus operandi used by the 'government' of 'israel',
for decades, in order to push its agenda and control those who 'support' it. It's also an
'open secret' that israel and a number of its 'citizens' are the most active of all states in
the 'white slave trade' - as well as the black market for human organs.
Of course, this won't be noted in the west's controlled media - but it's discussed quite
frequently in the alternative media around the world. Americans are ignorant of these facts,
so it's not really surprising that the epstein operation appears shocking to the average
person. It's actually par for the course in the u.s. since the late 50s-early 60s - epstein
is only one of many involved with this type of 'nwo' operation of control.
Posted by: pierrep | Jul 13 2019 18:41 utc | 12
"Please don't forget that many of the so called blackmailed subjects certainly had access to
INSIDE INFORMATION that they could have shared and thus much higher profits....."
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Agreed, safe insider 'win-win' trading (until it blows up).
The 'b' scenario is indeed very plausible, but it does not need to necessarily rely on
blackmail. These rapacious predatory fiat money 'elites' are quite capable of scoring a bit
of fluff anytime they want it. Just ask the doorman and slip a $100 note etc.
What they could equally have desired was an 'in' on a little exclusive Jewish-run
"Hellfire" club which, along with mutual investment opportunities (as the ticket in), simply
made Jeffrey Epstein a convenient host and 'Pimp/Madam' for quality kiddy fluff.
Doing all this via the likes of Epstein is simply a form of financial and moral'off
shoring.'
Lastly, why now? Another mass distraction campaign no doubt. And as odious as the Epstein
(and Clinton) types are I don't necessarily automatically buy into the 'evil' mass hysteria
meme. Sure, if 16 is the age of consent then younger than that is a legal matter. But in
other aspects, on a case-by-case basis, there are well mature 14-15 year olds biologically
ready for sexual experiences. At first glance I thought the 'pedo' label was referring to
7-10 year olds like the Catholic priest variety etc. Not so, it seems. Or have I missed
something? And was it only young females? Are none of these billionaire class homosexual? Or
was Epstein homophobic and only interested in a privileged hetero niche market?
Here is another thought. This case may authentically be resurfacing because of the work of
Julie K Brown at the Miami Herald and said pubs court victory to unseal court documents
related to Virginia Guiffre's suit of Epstein.
This was not sought after by the powers that be and the establishment is on the defensive
so they're trying to redirect this into a case about Trump, notably while ignoring a lot of
facts.
Maybe that's why this case has been assigned to SDNY which is full of democrats and even
Comey's daughter...maybe.
In any case i doubt much will come of it. Epstein's victims might get a little more
justice but not much and the higher ups will be protected.....except trump but i doubt they
have much on him.
I don't believe the lone blackmailer operation but more information will emerge and we can
all reassess. What is valuable is that this case will further erode the credibility of the
political, moneyed and media classes (often one if the same).
The problem with this theory is that it posits an improbably large and ongoing pay off.
Mutual self interest is much stronger in the long run. Do you really believe that Les Wexner
and his security team are going to allow some nobody like Epstein to blackmail them?
To me, it starts with Wexner, and goes through the Mega Group. They were/are powerful
deep interests out to help themselves and their pet cause Israel. Powerful non-state actors
who could benefit Israel while still maintaining an arm's length relationship. Perhaps Bush
wasn't the only state leader surprised on 9/11. It would seem a safe bet that Larry
Silverstein moves in the same socioeconomic circles as the Mega Group.
... Look at Trump. Do you think he would have won the election if he campaigned as a
Zionist promising to do all he could for big finance and Israel?
He ran as a heritage American promising to save his supposed fellows from their dire
straits -- unemployment, heroin addiction, suicide, and being overrun by strange immigrants
displacing them...
Look up Kevin MacDonald's research to understand how Jews look at the issue.
I find this suspiciously implausible. After the first blackmail attempt no one would
visit him again and he'd be dead. There are proven/known repeats. This fact kills the
blackmail facade.
Have commentators touched too close to the truth on the previous thread? Terrible
backtrack that was most assuredly planned by someone/people really out of touch with internet
discussions.
According to investigative journalist
Vickie Ward -- who has been covering the Jeffrey Epstein case since 2003 -- Alexander Acosta, the
former U.S. attorney who cut Epstein a sweetheart plea deal back in 2007, did so because he had
been told to "back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade."
"I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone," Acosta, who
resigned as Secretary of Labor on Friday, reportedly claimed.
"The case is getting uglier and more weird the more we look into it," said Glenn Beck on
Friday's radio program. "Back in 2007, the charges brought against [Epstein] were brutal. I
want you to listen to
this quote . 'The FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office determined that from 2001 to September
2007, Epstein had conspired to persuade minors to engage in prostitution, conspired to
transport minors across state lines for the purpose of illicit sexual conduct, and recruited a
minor across state lines to engage in a commercial sex act'."
"Despite what appeared at the time to be a slam-dunk case, the government chose to offer
Epstein a plea deal," Glenn continued. "They slapped him on the wrist with a lesser charge and
serving minimal time. Now, not only did this deal get him off easy, but it also immunized him
and his co-conspirators from prostitution."
Epstein's name, I was told, had been raised by the Trump transition team when Alexander
Acosta, the former U.S. attorney in Miami who'd infamously cut Epstein a non-prosecution plea
deal back in 2007, was being interviewed for the job of labor secretary. The plea deal put a
hard stop to a separate federal investigation of alleged sex crimes with minors and
trafficking.
"Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?" Acosta had
been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he'd had just one
meeting on the Epstein case. He'd cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein's attorneys
because he had "been told" to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. "I was told
Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone," he told his interviewers in the
Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired
Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)
"... That Epstein would try and intimidate witnesses and victims is a central part of the argument made by prosecutors to keep him in jail until trial. ..."
Federal prosecutors said Friday that accused sex-trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein should stay locked up until trial because he's willing to use "intimidation
and aggressive tactics" to tamper with witnesses -- including recent payments totaling $350,000
in an effort to silence two associates who allegedly helped him.
"Epstein's efforts to influence witnesses continue to this day," the U.S. Attorney's Office
said Friday evening in a court filing in response to the financier's request to be released on
bail. A hearing before Judge Richard Berman is scheduled for Monday.
That Epstein would try and intimidate witnesses and victims is a central part of the
argument made by prosecutors to keep him in jail until trial.
Prosecutors noted the payments were part of a pattern that stretched back to November 2018,
when the Miami Herald started publishing its investigation of the pedophile
billionaire.
Just two days after the stories began to appear Epstein "wired $100,000 from a trust account
he controlled to an individual named as a possible co-conspirator" in the Florida
non-prosecution agreement, the prosecutors wrote.
Three days later, they noted, he "wired $250,000 from the same trust account to another
individual named as a possible co-conspirator" in the Florida agreement who is also identified
an Epstein employee in the indictment.
+ There have long been rumors of Epstein's possible ties to what Dick Cheney so memorably
described as the "dark side." As Vicky Ward disclosed in an excellent piece for the
Daily Beast , Alex Acosta told the Trump's vetting team that he was told to go lightly on
Epstein because he was "above his pay grade" and that " he belonged to
intelligence ." Given Epstein's enduring relationship with Dershowitz, we can perhaps
deduce the intelligence agency with which Epstein was allied
+ According to the NYT, Jeffrey Epstein keeps a framed photo of
MBS in his mansion. (Is anyone checking the flight logs of Air Lolita for Netanyahu's
travels?)
+ There's a lot of giddy talk about how the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein is a sign of the
collapse of the Establishment. I don't know. The Establishment started to crumble during the
French Revolution. It's been a slow, gravity-defying fall.
Interesting post in that it raises many of the key issues and how they may fit together.
Generally agrees with my initial (or maybe secondary) impression that this is result of
Trump triggering backmail clause by failing to act as required by those running the show.
But, I have I think a better theory more fits the situation. Acosta (the human
"sh*t-grenade) was hired because he knew stuff and knew people who knew stuff. Trump was being
blackmailed with Epstein affair - dems/cia/etc... It almost work, he almost attacked Iran, was
led to believe it could be done in a way that would not lead to war - likely by
you-know-who.
He balked and called their "bluff". They were not bluffing. Problem for them is that Trump
can maybe weather the sh*t-storm they can bring - comey/brennan/clapper/et al... For now, I am
inclined to side with Trump.
I don't know why but in spite of his lack of polish, he's brought some crude and interesting
results.
Epstein was just a young "dirty old man". Trump is innocent - can anybody point to any incident
where Trump committed a real felony, not some breach of landlord regulations, For all the
accusations of him being the capo di tutti capi, nothing has really stuck, so he gives the
impression of being a criminal but really isn't but it's good theatre. So my guess is that
Trump told Barr to go to it and bring Epstein in and bang him up for life. Reasons:
1. Trump was getting bored with Acosta
2. Epstein may drag down others - the Clintons being prime candiadates
3. This is a poke in the eye for Obama
4. Trump looks good when Epstein does the time he deserves
Meanwhile the anti-#resistance investigations role on and implicate Hillary for making false
statements and Obama for trying to fix the 2016 election.
Trump'll romp home in 2020. If Adelson, etc. tries to push another Republican candidate,
Trump'll run as an independent and probably still win. Trump now has his main "problems" by the
balls.
As for the Daily Beast they have an
article claiming that there was co-ordination between Trump and Russia instead of collusion
. I'd love some of the shit the author's been smoking, 'cos it's up there with S T Coleridges
Kubla Khan as a work of fantasy.
'Appalled' does not suffice any longer. All this shit is more than a mentally healthy Human
Being can bear - and in that fact lies also a motive to bombard the population 24/7 with shit
like that. Therefore it appears that this, too is part of an orchestrated effort to rile up
people against each other and destroy whatever peace still exists.
You could call it 'distraction' from insurmountable problems created by this specific
sub-species of Homo Sapiens. But I am not commenting about that.
I am as pissed as a decent person can get without losing its temper. But I am utterly
disgusted that this childfucker Epstein has soiled the name of one of my favorite Human Beings
in history:
Brian Epstein - the one person that gave Humanity The Beatles.
I can not emphasize enough how effed up this is. There must be a court order to rename him
into Jeffrey Childfucker, in order to protect the name of one of the greatest music managers
ever.
But I do concede to the fact, that this kind of damage might as well limited to people who
know who The Beatles were.
The wealthy class has defeated the poor class. What we are seeing now is a civil war in the
wealthy class. The Epstein business is just one of the skirmishes in that civil war.
Today's CJR media feed focuses on Acosta and the 2007 plea deal without mentioning either Bush
or Obama. Focus is still on Trump. Of course Acosta is now a member of the Trump
administration. But Trump was not in charge with this particular POS went down.
Trump is fighting for his life and money. Lose the next election and spend the rest of
both fighting imprisonment. What makes me think its time to remind people that the office
of POTUS has teeth?
"I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone,"
does not say he "worked for intelligence". It might just mean that "intelligence"
made the deal with him in return for information and that they then estimated the fall out
and cleaned up (ie took people that could be blackmailed out of sensitive
positions).
They don't care about the fall out any longer, so this now is allowed to blow up.
"The left is going wild thinking that this will "get Trump" but quite the opposite is
happening. . .
Now this story will run into 2020 largely damaging democrats into the 2020 election.
Trump's DOJ is running the operation."
That is my perception, although I am not a qualified observer.
But as to the "why now" of Epstein, surely it is 2020. As for Barr being a CIA kid,
that does give some pause, except he is working for Trump, and so presumably he is playing
his part in the 2020 event.
From what I have read and heard, Trump is not tainted by the Epstein story. The
attempts of those on the left or whatever (I can't even call it the left anymore) to
associate Trump with the Epstein story are very belabored. "Grabbing pussy" of adult women
who cluster around is not the same as recruiting young girls and teenagers and running sex
camps for grown-up boys such as Randy Andy, RAndy Bill, and other Randy boys.
To me the big question is why Dersh was part of the FOIA action to unseal the docs. If
just appearing in a photo with Epstein is enough for "the left" to try to hang Trump, the
Dersh is in a lot more image trouble, with him name on the plane manifest.
Is Trump's name on the plane log? I don't think so. So, imagewise Dersh is going to take
a big hit. And, by defending Trump last summer as he did, he has now associated himself
with both Trump and Epstein. Trump comes out clean. Dersh comes out Derty.
PS. Why is so much blacked out on the plane logs that have been published?
the Macow sounds "about right" to me, but only "about." I can very well imagine that
Dersh is taking orders from the JSP, but if he rode the Lolita Expres, he is in
trouble.
AFAIK Trump did not ride the Lolita Express. The rumors about raping a 13-year-old in
Epstein's apartment will have to become more than rumor to harm Trump, no matter how much
the left pushes an Epstein = Trump narrative.
As they pushed the Weinstein = Trump narrative. I.e., whenever you see Weinstein's
name, think "Trump." But I don't think that really worked except with the very ones who
were pushing that equation in the first place. In other words, auto-suggestion.
O @110 sez: "...every good gamblers knows to hedge their bets.
You bet equally on both wrestlers in the ring? You don't make much profit that way. Much
better to arrange who wins ahead of time with the competitors and the referee and then just
bet on the one everyone agrees to make the winner.
Sure, Trump was in on the fix, so even if he won the power elites still win, but that is
true for all of the other contestants in the primaries as well, with the possible exception
of Sanders. The problem is that the power elites have very specific plans, and those plans
depended upon their tool in the White House being Clinton, not Trump. It isn't that Trump
would be their enemy or anything silly like that, but rather that a Trump victory would not
resonate; would not synergize with the megatrends they were manufacturing within the
population.
On the contrary, the Trump victory introduced a societal forcing function that is
180° out of sync with the larger narrative the power elites were trying to create.
Trump was chosen to be the loser in the 2016 elections because his defeat would have had
the opposite effect, damping trends in society that the power elites wanted quashed and
reinforcing the ones that they wanted amplified. Hundreds of $billions in
entertainment-base narrative generation that have been fed to the public since 2016, and
had been in the production pipeline from years prior, were supposed to be reflected in the
real world by the victory of the first woman president. Instead that media is being fed to
the public while the top office in the world is occupied by an unrepentant pussy grabber.
The messaging is diametrically opposed and interferes with itself rather than reinforcing
itself.
Sure, Trump is still the tool of the power elites, but he is not the tool they were
planning on.
"I am trying to link Wexner with the Bronfman's (Seagrams Liquor Family) via a source
other than the Mega Group (which may not be credible, IDK)."
The existence of the Mega Group was revealed in the Wall Street Journal in 1998 under
the headline 'Titans of Industry Join Forces To Work for Jewish Philanthropy'. According to
the Journal , it was founded in 1991 by Wexler and Charles Bronfman.
Membership included Edgar Bronfman, the chairman of the World Jewish Congress, Charles
Bronfman, Edgar's brother and a top executive of the family's flagship Seagrams Corp.;
Leslie Wexler of Limited, Inc.; Charles Schusterman, chairman of Samson Investment Co. of
Tulsa, Oklahoma; Harvey "Bud" Meyerhoff, Baltimore real estate magnate; Laurence Tisch,
chairman of Loews Corp.; Max Fisher, the Detroit oil magnate and Republican Party
powerhouse; bagel magnate Max Lender; Leonard Abramson, the founder of U.S. Healthcare; and
hedge-fund manager Michael Steinhardt.
One of its so-called 'philanthropic' projects entitled "Wexner Analysis: Israeli
Communication Priorities 2003," was leaked to Electronic Intifada.
"...when they met in the Edgar Bronfman mansion in Manhattan. The head of the World
Jewish Congress hosted a meeting of the fifty richest and most powerful Jews of the US and
Canada. There was no press coverage, no limelight, just a few lines in the newspapers. The
gathered multibillionaires discussed the ways to achieve Jewish unity, and strengthen the
Jewish identity of American Jews, tersely reported Shlomo Shamir for Haaretz. They also
agreed to launch a PR program under the Orwellian codename of 'Truth' with the purpose of
influencing American public opinion regarding Israeli policies.
The megabucks call themselves 'Mega group'. This name appeared in the media a couple of
years ago, as a name for the secret Israeli mole in the upper reaches of the US
establishment. It came up in an overheard phone conversation, later denied by the Israeli
embassy in Washington, DC. The newshounds and spook watchers got it wrong. 'Mega' was not
an agent, Mega was the boss."
Defense Department Computer Network Among Top Sharers of Child Pornography
Defense Department computers are among the top distributors of child pornography. An
untold number of Department of Defense (DOD) employees and contractors have subscriptions
to child pornography websites, and the problem is apparently so pervasive it requires new
technical solutions to address it.
"Hundreds of DoD-affiliated individuals" were recently identified as suspects in child
pornography cases, according to an investigation by the Defense Criminal Investigative
Service.
So far, authorities have only looked into about 20 percent of these cases. But already,
they've found "several" individuals "using their government devices to download or share
said pornographic material."
Last year, an investigation by the National Criminal Justice Training Program found DOD
computers were among the top networks nationwide for peer-to-peer sharing of pornographic
images of minors. DOD's network ranked 19th out of 2,891 computer networks studied.
To prevent such widespread abuse going forward, the "End National Defense Network Abuse
Act" would "crack down on this activity by upgrading the training and technical capacity of
military criminal investigative organizations to confront the misuse of DoD computers,
facilities, and equipment," according to a press release. It would also arrange for DOD
authorities to work more closely with civilian law enforcement on these cases.
"The notion that the Department of Defense's network and Pentagon-issued computers may
be used to view, create, or circulate such horrifying images is a shameful disgrace, and
one we must fight head on," said Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D -- Va.), who co-sponsored the
bill with Rep. Mark Meadows (R -- N.C.).
A companion bill in the senate has been introduced by Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R -- Alaska)
and Brian Schatz (D -- Hawaii).
2014 Aerial drone video of Little St. James. The island is owned privately by Jeffrey
Epstein and is located southeast of St. Thomas, United States Virgin Islands.
This debauchery is a part of the crisis of neoliberalism. It does increases the level of de-legitimization of neoliberal elite.
As one commenter pointed out: we need the names of scum, wealthy perverts from the United States who travelled to Epstein
island-sized rape dungeon off the coast of Saint Thomas.
Notable quotes:
"... This appears to be something of a pattern. "What is so amazing to me is how his entire social circle knew about this and just blithely overlooked it," Ward says of Epstein's pederasty. "While praising his charm, brilliance and generous donations to Harvard, those [I] spoke to all mentioned the girls as an aside." ..."
"... The Epstein case is first and foremost about the casual victimization of vulnerable girls. But it is also a political scandal, if not a partisan one. It reveals a deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very rich can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes ..."
"... our elites still love Epstein, even if he does rape little girls ..."
"... This is how America is. This is how our ruling class works: Democrat, Republican, whatever. As the inimitable Matthew Walther points out , there's a reason people believe in Pizzagate. The Hellfire Club is real. And for decades, we've emboldened them considerably. ..."
"... Surely I'm not the only one who noticed that the Epstein sex abuse timeline is nearly identical to the Catholic Church sex abuse timeline. Both investigations were initiated in the early 2000s. Both revealed that the exploitation of children was an open secret in the highest echelons of power. Both investigations were closed a few years later, though not resolved. We assumed justice would take its course, and slowly began to forget. And then within two years of each other, both scandals emerged again, more sordid than ever. And on both occasions, we realized that nothing had changed. ..."
"... Of course, we know where that leads us. For two centuries, conservatives have tried to dampen the passions that led France to cannibalize herself circa 1789. ..."
"... Yes: those passions are legitimate. We should feel contempt for our leaders when we discover that two presidents cavorted with Epstein, almost certainly aware that he preyed on minors. We should feel disgust at the mere possibility that Pope Francis rehabilitated Theodore McCarrick. And we should be furious that these injustices haven't even come close to being properly redressed. ..."
"... This isn't about politics. This is about common decency and respect for the most vulnerable. Clinton? Trump? Who cares? If--and that's a big "if"--it comes to pass that either or both were involved in the Epstein festivities then either or both are scum and should be punished accordingly --along with the rest of their playmates at the Epstein playground. ..."
"... Does the author have some evidence to prove that President Trump is a pedophile, as he suggests in this article? Are all persons who may have been friends with Epstein perverts and criminals? ..."
"... If our decadent elite falls at all, it will be from imperial over-reach and losing a major foreign war, not from pedophilia, which is rapidly being normalized along with the rest of LGBTQWERTYUIOP. ..."
"... The so called elites seem above reproach. Our morality has been skewed through the soul. ..."
"... I applaud the courageous outliers like Ryan Dawson and Phil Giraldi that have considerably more guts than me. Blessings ..."
"... I don't think there is going to be a revolution, whether in UK or US, at most people would be outraged for couple of weeks and then forget. ..."
"... Excellent article. But off the mark on one key point. The corruption of the elites and Ruling Class -- and they are sickeningly corrupt -- is only a reflection of, or if you will a leading indicator, of a related corruption of the body politic. ..."
"... So Trump simply makes a comment, has no record of any flights, attendance or participation and this article would have you believe that it equates as despicable as a frequent flyer on the Lolita Express? This author is no different than the fake news. ..."
"... Trump did allegedly make one flight on the plane, from the NY area to Florida. No records show him flying to the "orgy island". ..."
"... Actually, the logs don't show that he was on the plane. Epstein's brother CLAIMS he was on the plane...the most anybody else has said to support that is that Trump looked at the plane on the ground. ..."
"... It's a Trump problem insofar as he continues to defend Acosta. This is the Sec of Labor who effectively let Epstein walk and who now oversees anti-human trafficking efforts (which he has repeatedly tried to gut the funding for). ..."
"... Did you see Acosta's press conference? The local State DA wanted to let Epstein walk - on a lesser state charge through a Grand Jury. Acosta's US Attorney office stepped in to get the charges increased as much as they could so that Epstein would do SOME jail time and - more importantly - have to register as a sex offender. ..."
"... I agree. As much as I detest Trump, I don't think that he was involved with Epstein's debauchery. However, I do believe the women that claim being assaulted, because he is on tape claiming to do what they describe. And there is so many of them. And he has had multiple documented affairs while married to every one of his wives. But no evidence yet of him with underage girls. ..."
"... Right, because those Kavanaugh accusers were so credible, right? No evidence, decades later? Nope. Unlike Kavanaugh, Trump was on a big stage for decades and was a pretty easy target with the tabloids looking for dirt...but none of them came forward. ..."
"... Trump owes America an apology, reading his comments it is obvious he was aware of, and disapproved of, Epstien proclivities, but didn't have the guts to stand up. (I do not believe the stories of Trump being involved, but if it turns out I am wrong on that, fry him ) ..."
Our elites cavorted with a pedophile, almost certainly aware of what he was up to. This is how revolutions begin.
Bill Clinton (Wikipedia Commons); Jeffrey Epstein mugshot (public domain) and Donald Trump
(Gabe Skidmore /Flickr)
For once, I'm with New York Times writer Michelle Goldberg: Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate symbol of plutocratic rot.
In her
latest column , Goldberg interviews Vicky Ward, who covered the 2003 revelations of Epstein's sex abuse for Vanity Fair
. Ward's editor, Graydon Carter, allegedly ran interference for the high-flying pervert, nixing her discussion with two women
who claimed to have been assaulted by Epstein. "He's sensitive about the young women," Carter explained to Ward.
This appears to be something of a pattern. "What is so amazing to me is how his entire social circle knew about this and
just blithely overlooked it," Ward says of Epstein's pederasty. "While praising his charm, brilliance and generous donations to
Harvard, those [I] spoke to all mentioned the girls as an aside."
Back to Goldberg:
The Epstein case is first and foremost about the casual victimization of vulnerable girls. But it is also a political
scandal, if not a partisan one. It reveals a deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very rich
can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes. If it were fiction, it would be both too sordid and
too on-the-nose to be believable, like a season of "True Detective" penned by a doctrinaire Marxist.
Of course, Goldberg -- being a Democrat -- doesn't want us to think of this as a partisan scandal. Yet Nancy Pelosi's daughter
conspicuously tweeted that it's "quite likely
that some of our faves are implicated." We all know by now that President Bill Clinton was a
frequent flyer on the Lolita Express, Epstein's
private jet, which ferried wealthy perverts from the United States to his island-sized rape dungeon off the coast of Saint Thomas.
Still, a few Republicans will almost certainly be implicated, too. Now, look: I voted for President Donald Trump in 2016. If
I don't vote for him in 2020, it will be because I've lost faith in the whole democratic process and have moved to a hole in the
ground to live as a hobbit. Having said that, Trump is definitely tainted by Epstein. In a 2002 interview with New York Magazine
, the president called him a "terrific guy." "It
is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do," Trump said, "and many of them are on the younger side."
Don't pretend that's an innocent remark. It's like when Uncle Steve passes out face-down on the kitchen floor at the family Christmas
party and Uncle Bill says, "I guess that one likes to drink." We still love Uncle Steve, even if he does overdo it on the
fire water. And our elites still love Epstein, even if he does rape little girls. None of us is perfect, after all.
This is how America is. This is how our ruling class works: Democrat, Republican, whatever. As the inimitable Matthew Walther
points out ,
there's a reason people believe in Pizzagate. The Hellfire Club is real. And for decades, we've emboldened them considerably.
Remember how Democrats and centrist Republicans mocked conservatives for making such a stink about Monica Lewinsky's blue dress?
The media elite competed to see who could appear the most unfazed by the fact that our sax-playing president was getting a bit on
the side. "I mean, heh heh, I love my wife, but, heh, the 1950s called, man! They want their morality police back."
Well, look where that got us. Two confirmed adulterers have occupied the White House in living memory; both are now under fire
for cavorting with a child sex slaver on Orgy Island. Go ahead and act surprised, Renault.
♦♦♦
Surely I'm not the only one who noticed that the Epstein sex abuse timeline is nearly identical to the Catholic Church sex abuse
timeline. Both investigations were initiated in the early 2000s. Both revealed that the exploitation of children was an open secret
in the highest echelons of power. Both investigations were closed a few years later, though not resolved. We assumed justice would
take its course, and slowly began to forget. And then within two years of each other, both scandals emerged again, more sordid than
ever. And on both occasions, we realized that nothing had changed.
Whew. Now I get why people become communists. Not the new-wave, gender-fluid, pink-haired Trots, of course. Nor the new far Left,
which condemns child predators like Epstein out one side of its mouth while
demanding
sympathy for pedophiles out the other.
No: I mean the old-fashioned, blue-collar, square-jawed Stalinists. I mean the guy with eight fingers and 12 kids who saw photos
of the annual Manhattan debutantes' ball, felt the rumble in his stomach, and figured he may as well eat the rich.
Of course, we know where that leads us. For two centuries, conservatives have tried to dampen the passions that led France to
cannibalize herself circa 1789.
Nevertheless, those passions weren't illegitimate -- they were just misdirected. Only an Englishman like Edmund Burke could have
referred to the reign of Louis XIV as "the age of chivalry." Joseph de Maistre spoke for real French conservatives when he said
the decadent, feckless aristocracy deserved to be guillotined. The problem is, Maistre argued, there was no one more suitable to
succeed them.
Yes: those passions are legitimate. We should feel contempt for our leaders when we discover that two presidents cavorted
with Epstein, almost certainly aware that he preyed on minors. We should feel disgust at the
mere
possibility that Pope Francis rehabilitated Theodore McCarrick. And we should be furious that these injustices haven't even
come close to being properly redressed.
"Us Democrats"??? This isn't about politics. This is about common decency and respect for the most vulnerable. Clinton? Trump?
Who cares? If--and that's a big "if"--it comes to pass that either or both were involved in the Epstein festivities then either
or both are scum and should be punished accordingly --along with the rest of their playmates at the Epstein playground.
The only question is whether or not those who participated in this apparent debauch will ever be brought to justice--so,
on that note--let the dissembling begin!
Does the author have some evidence to prove that President Trump is a pedophile, as he suggests in this article? Are all
persons who may have been friends with Epstein perverts and criminals?
You are as my grandfather told me repeatedly: "You are your associates & colleagues, their morality or lack thereof, will
in time infect you as well, despite all protests to the contrary; choose wisely."
If our decadent elite falls at all, it will be from imperial over-reach and losing a major foreign war, not from pedophilia,
which is rapidly being normalized along with the rest of LGBTQWERTYUIOP.
In France, the generation of aristocrats and especially
the royal family who were guillotined were relatively conservative in their sexual habits compared to the bloodthirsty sexual
revolutionaries who murdered them. And the libertine aristocrats of Great Britain (I believe that's where the actual hellfire
club was from) led the war against Napoleon and the temporary victory of the old order which followed his defeat.
The so called elites seem above reproach. Our morality has been skewed through the soul. Tribalism is alive and well. Wars,
diversity, erasing of our most cherished values, and a mainstream media that is in lockstep the rulers and those who see fit
to erase Freedom of Speech and make arbitrarily decisions as to what we can and cannot say. It is like living a bad dream.
I
applaud the courageous outliers like Ryan Dawson and Phil Giraldi that have considerably more guts than me. Blessings
It's the mainstream media that forced this into the light. The elites and the justice system did all they could to cover
it up, same as with the Catholic Church.
As for "our most cherished virtues", this has all been going on forever. Kings and courtiers, masters and slaves, the son
of the manor and the serving girls. Give me a break.
The only thing that is changing it is a shift in power to women.
"Paederasty" is better reserved for relationships between patrician
men, and boys, in which there was an expectation that the boy would
eventually approximate the social rank of his lover. Not to be applied
to a man running a little-girl brothel.
In UK thousands of girls were raped and nobody lost their job over it. Well, correction, people who tried to bring attention
to the horrific crimes happening lost their jobs or were prosecuted. After the scandal could no longer be contained and arrests
were finally made, there was no reckoning. No people marching in the streets, demanding heads of the goverment. I don't think
there is going to be a revolution, whether in UK or US, at most people would be outraged for couple of weeks and then forget.
Or might possibly be that upon examination, it became abundantly clear that the allegations were highly exaggerated as is
typically the case in these matters.
It might be a good idea to keep a clear head and hope that evidence "actual evidence" will determine events as opposed to
the salacious hysetria that usually surrounds these cases.
"...the decadent, feckless aristocracy deserve to be guillotined. The problem is...there is no one suitable to replace them."
100%. And I work as a psychiatric RN in a busy Emergency Room. Believe me, depravity in this country is not in the least
bit confined to 'elites'. They just make convenient scapegoats. I can tell you hundreds of stories. But conservatively, I would
estimate that anywhere from 50% to 75% of the women I care for were abused as children. And I have cared for literally thousands
of women over the years.
"This is how revolutions are born."
Not so fast. The French peasants were rioting over bread, not aristocratic decadence. In 21st Century America, no one is
starving. The poor in this country are obese, for Chr-sakes! And half the country is implicated in so-called 'aristocratic decadence',
through online porn.
And like John Lennon once wrote, "You say you want a revolution?" Be careful what you wish for...
Prosecutors will tiptoe around anything that puts them in an awkward position vis-a-vis the rich and powerful.
These are people that prosecutors want to owe you favors, and these are also people that can ruin the lives and career prospects
of law enforcement.
This explains why, to give instance, Comey engaged in comically tortured legal reasoning to justify not bringing charges
against HRC for servergate, when she would be cooling her heels in a SuperMax if she were a normie. According to conventional
wisdom, HRC was going to be the next president, already anointed practically, and that meant that she was someone that would
be in a position to do Comey big favors, and at the same time, someone that you did not want to make an enemy of.
Excellent article. But off the mark on one key point. The corruption of the elites and Ruling Class -- and they are sickeningly
corrupt -- is only a reflection of, or if you will a leading indicator, of a related corruption of the body politic.
The Clintons, for example, have been getting away with sordid and even criminal behavior for a long time. It didn't stop
a major political party from putting one of them at the top of its presidential ticket only a few years ago nor a majority of
voters from pulling the lever for her.
In fact, going back to the Lewinsky saga, it was not only the elites who pooh-poohed the whole thing; it was also the citizenry.
Check the record. Yeah, the Clintons are Exhibit A of the Real Problem. Anyway, there ain't gonna be a revolution, at least
not the kind that Michael Warren Davis warns of.
"In fact, going back to the Lewinsky saga, it was not only the elites who pooh-poohed the whole thing; it was also the citizenry.
Check the record. "
The equivalent today would have been if Mueller's replacement spent a few more years 'investigating' Trump, only to set him
up with a perjury trap over whether or not he committed adultery.
This piece at the very least is not well researched hit piece on Trump but seems more to be a rabble rousing class warfare
type click bait filler. James Patterson reports that Trump kicked Epstein out of Maro-a-Lago 15 years ago after there were complaints
that he was abusive to women and more recently has said he is not a fan of Epstein. I've seen no evidence that Trump participated
in the abuse of underage girls with Epstein. Trump is no saint but sensationalizing this story and implicating Trump to sell
your copy is not journalism.
So Trump simply makes a comment, has no record of any flights, attendance or participation and this article would have you
believe that it equates as despicable as a frequent flyer on the Lolita Express? This author is no different than the fake news.
And it was a comment made three years before the first known report to police about Epstein's behavior.
I read Trump's comment as Trump being Trump. Unless he is responding to a personal attack, Trump tends to layer on the compliments
and tries to speak positive about people.
Trump did allegedly make one flight on the plane, from the NY area to Florida. No records show him flying to the "orgy island".
Actually, the logs don't show that he was on the plane. Epstein's brother CLAIMS he was on the plane...the most anybody else
has said to support that is that Trump looked at the plane on the ground.
The author throws around "revolution" so casually... The guillotine definitely needs a resurgence; unfortunately, it's not just the aristocracy that needs it; moreover, there
are still none better suited to take over after they chopping has stopped.
And throws without not even a thought but also without care to learn or now.
It is funny that American journo is now invoking Stalin's ghost, but.... Stalinists were COUNTER-revolutionaries.
And he says he is sure he knows who they felt?
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Inflation, words means nothing today for journos, being merely a click-bait
It's a Trump problem insofar as he continues to defend Acosta. This is the Sec of Labor who effectively let Epstein walk
and who now oversees anti-human trafficking efforts (which he has repeatedly tried to gut the funding for).
Also, Trump supposedly told a campaign aide that he barred Epstein. Perhaps that's true. Hard to know with this inveterate
liar.
Did you see Acosta's press conference? The local State DA wanted to let Epstein walk - on a lesser state charge through a
Grand Jury. Acosta's US Attorney office stepped in to get the charges increased as much as they could so that Epstein would
do SOME jail time and - more importantly - have to register as a sex offender.
Now, should the Feds have interfered in a State case is a matter for another discussion. But Actosta's office did MORE than
what they should and everything they could with the evidence at the time.
As to Trump banning Epstein - it isn't "Trump told some aide", it is in the court records of the trial. Trump was subpoenaed
and talked voluntarily to the attorney for the girls. The attorney for the girls researched it and he says, and it is in the
court record, that Trump banned Epstein.
This is not a "Trump problem" as the media is trying to make it...this is a Dem problem.
I agree. As much as I detest Trump, I don't think that he was involved with Epstein's debauchery. However, I do believe the
women that claim being assaulted, because he is on tape claiming to do what they describe. And there is so many of them. And
he has had multiple documented affairs while married to every one of his wives. But no evidence yet of him with underage girls.
Right, because those Kavanaugh accusers were so credible, right? No evidence, decades later? Nope. Unlike Kavanaugh, Trump
was on a big stage for decades and was a pretty easy target with the tabloids looking for dirt...but none of them came forward.
THAT is your biggest clue that their claims are, as the judge recently said in dismissing one of these laughable cases, ""As
currently stated, the Complaint presents a political lawsuit, not a tort and wages lawsuit,"
Then, of course, the Trump lawyers just released a video of what happened that shows he gave her a peck on the cheek during
a conversation as he was leaving. She lied.
I think some conservative, maybe Rubio, needs to stand up and simply state they are going to lead on this, and then do so.
Simply go after anyone that is involved and make the casual nature of peoples knowledge of this kind of behavior into a something
that has to be repented of.
Trump owes America an apology, reading his comments it is obvious he was aware of, and disapproved of, Epstien proclivities,
but didn't have the guts to stand up. (I do not believe the stories of Trump being involved, but if it turns out I am wrong
on that, fry him )
For a republican leader to stand up as I am suggesting, would force the left to make a decision. Either abandon their current
attitudes towards sexual permissiveness, or defend them. Either way conservatives win.
That comment was from three years before Epstein was charged. But YOUNG does not mean TOO young, always, and Trump was obviously
speaking of what OTHERS say, not what he knew for a fact.
Davis--and many TAC readers--voted for Trump even though the then-candidate sexually assaulted women and got caught bragging
about it.
While I welcome conservatives to the #metoo era, it must be acknowledged that their "outrage" didn't come to life until they
could attach the dirty deeds to Bill Clinton and other "elites" (whatever that overused term means).
No, it came with Weinstein...who proved what Trump ACTUALLY said on the bus to be true. Not that HE, Trump, HAD grabbed women,
but that young women seeking fame would LET the rich and famous grab them. Shortly after we found out that this was true when
we found out about Weinstein and what those young starlets allowed. What people knew, all good Hollywood liberals and Dems,
and LET continue while accepting Weinstein's political contributions and working with him professionally.
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Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 3 hours ago removelink
If that freeeking punk is still breathing- it makes me question the existance of a GOD!
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Kefeer 4 hours ago removelink
I suspect much of his wealth deals with the acquisition of control files on wealthy
people. Blackmail for sale, which is "pay if you have been played".play_arrow 5
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NAV 2 hours ago removelink
And then there's blackmail for power. The American Anti-Defamation League has long made it a
practice for decades to tail all Congressmen – liberal or conservative -- as was brought
out in allegations in the San Francisco trial of its head operative Roy Bullock on charges of
buying blackmail information from members of the San Francisco Police Department as reported by
the San Francisco Examiner. Bullock had collected information and provided it to the ADL as a
secretly-paid independent contractor for more than 32 years.
Can it be that there's a connection between data of this kind and the unbelievable
unification of almost every congressman behind every Israeli position?
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Mah_Authoritah 4 hours ago (Edited) removelink
Lex Wexner is a big time pro Israeli with ties to the mob. Bet he was never caught on
Jeffy's candid camera. play_arrow
PKKA 4 hours ago removelink
According to Fox News, the plane was called the Lolita Express. It is noted that the owner
of the aircraft was convicted of pedophilia. On the plane of a man who even organized an
"island of sex slaves," even flew Hillary Clinton.
Epstein is known in the States as the organizer of the search for underage girls for private
parties, the media said, citing a source.
According to some data, in 2016 in the United States 52,147 children were illegally imported
from other countries. All these children are imported into the United States unaccompanied, but
with the constant sponsorship of a well-known family foundation.
I even wondered if Hilary's old pan loves little boys or girls? play_arrow 2Blondboys 4
hours ago removelink
He supposedly was part of the Tri Lateral Commission. Also never reported in to NYC cops
every 90 days as ordered. So while authorities have been watching him for years, nothing ever
was done. Comey's daughter is a prosecutor on this case? play_arrow
Anunnaki 4 hours ago removelink
Epstein was furious he had to register as a sex offender. ay_arrow 1
Proudly Unaffiliated 4 hours ago removelink
Ladies and Gentlemen, behold. This is the face of the Clinton wing of the Democratic party.
Pedophiles.
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FKTHEGVNMNT 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
He will be broke AND EVERYTHING IS COMING OUT REGARDLESS IF HE TALKS.
In January, the state legislature passed the Child Victims Act
, which expanded the statute of limitations in child sex abuse cases to give survivors more
time to seek criminal charges or sue their abusers -- or both.
Clear case. Epstein tricked men with capital into sex with minors. Had it all on tape.
Blackmail.
Forced them into investing into his firm or sell for ridiculous prices.
Then he ran with the money.
The more men were tricked, the mightier he became. Politicians, investment bankers, you name
it.
The honey trap. Blackmail. Makes no sence otherwise. play_arrow 8 play_arrow VWAndy 5
hours ago removelink
Not possible without state backing. As proof look at the courts handling of it.
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Captain Chlamydia 5 hours ago removelink
I did not say he worked alone.
It's standard Deep State protocol. play_arrow 8 play_arrow Berspankme 4
hours ago removelink
he had to have deep state backing or one the guys he blackmailed would have had him offed
long ago
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hours ago removelink
Another reason I think Epstein is a dead man walking.
Here's another fun exercise. When do we get to the point that the same crew surrounding
Epstein also filters into that Florida mess they barely covered up with the likes of Robert
Kraft?
They're better than you... And that's what they are trying to tell you and codify.
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Truth 5 hours ago removelink
Robert Kraft can be identified and charged. Bill Clinton or Prince Andrew or Tony Blair or
the CEO of Google - nope.
If I was Kraft's attorneys, I'd be screaming "What the hell? Why is my client arrested and
shamed and not these people?" play_arrowplay_arrow darkstar7646 4
hours ago removelink
A question I've been asking since he was one of the first ones named! play_arrowplay_arrow
Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 4 hours ago removelink
For a tug job no less!
It all depends who your friends are- Kraft was a Trump supporter, go figure.
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hours ago removelink
I'm more concerned on why so many rich ***** were rooting around a place like that than the
tug job -- especially with the caliber of women involved...
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ThorAss 5 hours ago removelink
We really should get the terms right. Having sex with a 14 year old is a crime, known as
statutory rape under some jurisdictions. It's not paedophilia. Lusting after a 14 year old is
also not paedophilia, which is reserved for pre-pubescent children. [E phebophilia
refers to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents, hebephilia refers to the sexual preference
for earlier pubescent
individuals, and paedophilia refers to the primary or
exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children .] Adapted from Wikipedopedia
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FKTHEGVNMNT 5 hours ago removelink
More names-----& Juan Alessi, a long time Epstein household employee, has confirmed that
Dershowitz visited Epstein "pretty often. I would say at least four or five times a year" and
that he would "typically" stay two or three days. Similarly, Alfredo Rodriguez who worked for
Epstein approximately only six months confirmed that during that six months period Dershowitz
visited Epstein twice....... Find these ppl please, and do more than that.
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Anunnaki 5 hours ago removelink
Rodriguez got more time in jail from stealing from Epstein then Epstein did for molesting
underage girls.
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FKTHEGVNMNT 5 hours ago removelink
Good sleuthing. More please play_arrow 3 play_arrow
Anunnaki 4 hours ago removelink
And he died in prison. play_arrow 2 play_arrow
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Truth 5 hours ago removelink
Can one picture a scenario where Epstein DID tell the whole truth? Named all the names, all
the activities, exactly what happened, all the blackmail, all the spy agencies involved, all
the laundered money, all the officials who were bought off with his last pleas deal or went
along with his "sweetheart" deal, all the people who looked the other way, etc.
Imagine for a moment how mind-blowing such a story probably would be. How many revered
figures would be exposed as the most detestable people. How many businesses and government
organizations would be exposed as shams.
I don't know. I find it hard to believe any high-level person in government would allow such
a story be told to every person in the world.
In fact, after hearing such a story, some FBI agent would probably pause two seconds, and
then shoot Epstein between the eyes.
He would later be given a medal ... for "protecting national security."
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Truth 5 hours ago removelink
This scenario also explains why the government doesn't want Epstein to "talk." They don't
want to know. The more people who hear him talk, the more people who could tell this story.
Everyone assumes the government might offer Epstein a "deal" if he "talks." But that's the
last thing they want to happen. One reason they won't offer him a deal.
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hours ago removelink
Agreed, because it would probably implicate every economic, social, societal, political,
business, sports, entertainment, etc. major player and expose that there is an initiation to
the classic Carlin "Club" that you aren't a part of which involves such unspeakable acts (and
means that the girls have the same initiation to any degree of real relevance in our society)
in the name of "They're better than you." ay_arrow
PKKA 5 hours ago removelink
I already said this, I absolutely do not understand why such a wave of indignation is
coming? After all, everything is proceeding normally and consistently. Mr Epstein need to
reward! For example, you need to make him a knight, like Sir Elton John. After all, pedophilia
and pederasty, it is so fashionable now in the West. And right now a number of Western
countries are in favor of the legalization of pedophilia. So sir knight pedophile Epstein fits
perfectly into this fashionable concept. Don't forget to reward Prince Andrew. And Bill
Clinton, in general, you need to reward as much as 2 times! And all pedophiles should now be
welcomed and rewarded. y_arrow 1
SummerSausage 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
I'm not defending Epstein - pedos deserve death - however there's one aspect of the story
the news refuses to tell and it explains how he got away with being a pedo for all those years
and why getting a conviction in 2007 was so tough.
Epstein selected poor girls. He paid them $200 for giving him a "massage" - even with no sex
- and up to $1,000 if they let him do more. None of the girls interviewed said her raped or
forced them. Then, he paid the girls $200 for each girl they brought. He insisted the girls
know what they were getting into - no surprises.
Some of these girls came back for years.
You can see how a defense attorney would have torn these girls apart in 2007 and how a jury
may have said "They were young but if they came back time and again they're just hookers. If
they brought their friends to him for money they're guilty pimps."
This information is from the book "TrafficKing" by Conchita Saffron - a crusader against
child sex trafficking and "Filthy Rich" by best seller and Palm Beach resident James Patterson.
It's taken from the Palm Beach County police files and interviews with the girls.
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Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
Sex with a girl under age is rape- statutory rape.
An adult has an undue influence on a minor plain and simple, which may cause her to do
something that she may not really want to do.
As for solicitation of a prostitute- the prostitute was 14!! That's not prostitution it's
pedophilia.
But I get your point- it has a different feel then the Podesta brothers passing around an 8
year old boy to be 'abused'. lay_arrow 1 Give Me Some
Truth 5 hours ago removelink
At least one girl did say he raped her.
Yes, he just "groomed" them. Probably had it down to a science. play_arrow 4
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SummerSausage 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
He did have it down to a science. I'm not excusing his behavior - just explaining why
getting a conviction would have been so difficult in 2006.
Remember that Hillary laughed about getting a rapist off that she KNEW was guilty. The girl
he raped was 12 and he left her in a coma. Hillary told the judge she heard the girl was
attracted to older men.
If Hillary got him acquitted by doing that, imagine hearing in 2006, that the girls were
making more in an hour than the jury members made in a day and they kept going back.
Acosta said that kind of victim shaming would not be allowed now but it was common then.
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Anunnaki 5 hours ago removelink
Ghislaine Maxwell and the Marcincova gal played roles too. play_arrow 1
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ago (Edited) removelink
Even if we were to buy the story that the girls had no better means of support than hooking
up with Epstein, the whole video taping high profile/powerful people having sex with underage
girls/boys in order to blackmail those people into doing your bidding is still a heinous crime
that needs prosecuting. For years, the population at large has seen people who rise to power
suddenly flip-flop, propose and pass the most insane, corrupt, backhanded legislation with
little excuse for why these people in power would do such things. If Epstein was pulling the
strings behind the scenes using his powers of blackmail, that would explain a lot.
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SummerSausage 5 hours ago removelink
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just providing the whole picture so you'll understand why
getting a conviction in 2007 was so dicey so having Epstein plead guilty, register forever as a
sex offender and pay restitution to the girls was considered a "win".
It would have been a different story if Epstein raped every girl and threw her out the door.
He was much smarter than that and compromised them to protect himself.
I hope everyone who had sex with any one of these girls is found out, stands trial and gets
punished. ay_arrow
Anunnaki 5 hours ago removelink
I read Filthy Rich. Dooshewitz harvested raunchy posts from the girls Myspace accounts and
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SummerSausage 5 hours ago removelink
Another reason why Acosta was so reluctant to put the girls on the stand. As he said, there
would have been victim shaming. Their lives would have been publicly destroyed.
Getting Epstein to plead guilty, register and pay restitution was better for the girls.
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Anunnaki 4 hours ago (Edited) removelink
Compounding the shame by having Epstein plead guilty of one count of soliciting
prostitution. These victims weren't prostitutes. But they were children of "white trash" and
Hispanic immigrants. Totally disposable.
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Moving and Grooving 3 hours ago removelink
I concur with your argument. Think of the difference between a full sentence served in a
tight, medium-security prison, under strict supervision, required to work, in gen pop, and the
short stay, only there from sundown to sunup, private security detail setup Epstein was allowed
to create last time he 'went to prison'.
As it is he's in a 10X10 unit 23.5 hours a day, with little hope of getting bail. Big
comedown from Paris, eh sport? play_arrow
ReflectoMatic 5 hours ago removelink
All those beautiful young people who flock to Hollywood year after year. Most of them get
scooped up into this awful machine of carnage by "wolves" who walk the blvd and bus station
looking for them. They get offers of modeling jobs and parts in movies, it's the gateway to
hell. Old Phil Marx is probably long dead and gone by now, he was one of the very few who
seeked out the worthy and opened doors of possibility in all directions. Thank-You Philsie,
Rest in Peace.
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FKTHEGVNMNT 5 hours ago removelink
Boom **** you CNN. FUCKIN PEDO LOVERS DIE DIE DIE!!! play_arrow 1 play_arrow
Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 5 hours ago removelink
I think Dersho-shitz saw the writing on the wall and quit laying into the President on a
daily basis. play_arrow 1 play_arrow
SummerSausage 5 hours ago removelink
According to James Patterson's book "Filthy Rich" Guiffre was coached to implicate
Dershowitz as part of a shakedown. She wanted $1 billion from Wexner (of The Limited &
Victoria Secret and close friend of Epstein). She wanted to show Wexner the kind of publicity
she could get against him if he didn't pay up. She was to get 1/3, her lawyers were to get 1/3
and a non-profit she set up (with her lawyers money) against sex trafficking would get 1/3.
Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who sued to get the records from 2007 unsealed when he
was one of Epstein's lawyers. If he had sex with any of the girls - especially Guiffre who had
been with Epstein for several years and who provided him with girls - she would have said
so.
There's no doubt big names and wealthy people are being protected but in this case I think
Dershowitz is being railroaded.
Guiffre was sexually abused as a child, lived on the streets and was sexually active before
meeting Epstein. She's a victim of domestic abuse as well. Not the most stable.
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Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
You do mean James Patterson, the same James Patterson who took Bill Clinton under his wing
and co-wrote books with him??
The book is no whitewash. play_arrow 1 play_arrow 1
SummerSausage 5 hours ago removelink
Read the book and compare it to Sarnoff's. He did good, straight reporting on this book.
I hated that he co wrote with Clinton, too, but his book stands on its own. The facts and
interviews mesh with the anti child sex advocate. play_arrowplay_arrow
Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 5 hours ago removelink
So what was likely a (c) Intelligence Agency- blackmail scheme- was being black mailed by
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Mineshaft Gap 4 hours ago removelink
We'll know in good time (or we won't), but your thesis about Dershowitz being railroaded
looks possible to me for a couple of reasons.
One, he's seen in liberal land as having betrayed the team over Trump. The knives are out,
doubly so as the election season deepens and the Mueller hoax evaporates in an expensive
mist.
Two, the failure of the legal system to stop the monster Epstein is creating one of those
crises of faith in the hoi polloi.
These roll around whenever the official lies become so glaring that ordinary folk see
through the mirages of justice. They begin to grumble, in their unapproved ways, that things
just aren't on the level in the best of all possible nations.
To remedy this outbreak of clarity, the old playbook calls for sacrificing some scapegoats.
There are easier scapegoats to find than Dershowitz, though, who isn't going to be easily led
to the gallows. Hence the hapless Acosta.
This is taking place in an America coming apart at the seams culturally, with nothing
certain about her future as we get further from any idea of being a nation that can agree on
anything. If anything, the hall of mirrors is only growing longer. play_arrowplay_arrow
Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 3 hours ago removelink
"in an America coming apart at the seams culturally"
Not really just an illusion of unraveling by the committed Bolshevik media (who some say are
all led by the (C) Intelligence Agency). Nothing easier to control then a divided populace.
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hours ago removelink
Any grown man with a 14 year old girl is in most cases wrong. The handlers Epstein and the
bunch used knew the age and experience and maturity of these girls. I'm old now and don't want
anything to do with any of it, and will say that 21 year olds look like little kids to me.
But, but one time when I was 21 I was dating a young lady for a few weeks, and we had drank
and had sex, she spent the night and so forth. She lived with her sister. I was working
construction and this gal and her sister were moving so I just loaned her my truck during the
day, no problem as I had insurance. I never thought to ask if she had a drivers license as she
had driven to my place a few times. This was a mature looking woman.
She and I were coming back from having dinner at a nice restaurant and we were both having
drinks, several drinks. I was driving home and a cop pulled me over for a tail light out. He
came to my window and asked for our ID's which we handed him, and he took them to his patrol
car to run them. The gal next to me says, " I have to tell you something". And in my head I'm
thinking what, warrants or something? She says, " I'm only 15". And I ******* near screamed
nooooooooooooo, nooooooooooo. this can't be, look at you, the restaurant we were just drinking
at never even thought of asking you for ID, we've been out to bars, dancing. Why in gods world
did you keep that from me? Now I'll be going to pedo prison, god dammit, you just killed
me.
The cop comes back to my window, hands us our ID's [hers was from Idaho, apparently at that
time they could get dl's at 14?] and the cop says to me, " I think you better take her home". I
said, I agree. It was like letting the air out of a dirigible, a long continuous psssssss, as
the blood returned and my heart started beating again. I don't know how any 15 year old could
look that mature, but no one ever even thought of asking her for ID. I was horrified. Never
again, would I come close to making that mistake. But the truth is, I did. She was good in bed
to, but it shrinks my **** if I even think of that moment. I was horrified, because what
average, real, decent man wants to knowingly bed a 15 year old? Not me. My conscience haunted
me for a few months afterward, knowing I had bedded a kid. But she didn't look like no kid I
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Truth 5 hours ago removelink
If you read the story in the Miami Herald, Epstein was looking for girls that looked as
young as possible. In fact when they got older, or if their breasts were "too developed," he
got rid of them.
We've just heard of the girls his "recruiters" found in NY and Florida. Another part of this
was he partnered up with a guy who had an "international modeling agency." These models, not
from America, were often 12, 13, 14, 15.
And one doesn't have to use his imagination to figure out why a ranch in the middle of no
where in New Mexico was so desirable as one of his compounds. play_arrow 1
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SummerSausage 5 hours ago removelink
You're correct but the girls were the primary suppliers of girls. According to their own
testimony, they recruited their friends asking "do you want to make a lot of money" then they
were told what they would have to do.
Not excusing Epstein or condoning in any way. Just informing that he had the system down
pat. Yes, he invested $1 million in the modeling agency EM2 and brought in young girls with
promises of modeling careers. But he also targeted poor American girls and paid $200 - $1,000
for sex and a $200 commission for every girl they brought to him. play_arrow 1
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Truth 5 hours ago removelink
No doubt, many (most) of the girls ended up going along. They voluntarily kept coming
back.
The crime is that these were "girls." Easily manipulated and intimidated. If they were 18 or
older, I guess all you could charge them with was prostitution and him with soliciting
prostitutes.
Of course, he did "give" the girls to all his friends with orders to "give so and so what he
wants." play_arrowplay_arrow
Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux 5 hours ago removelink
Ray Chandler owned the modelling agency- short for Rachel, a chick. play_arrow
makinbacon 4 hours ago removelink
Put myself through college driving school buses and occasionally a 13-teen year old girl
would get on dressed like a hooker....
You be be hard pressed to guess she was under 20.
I would just look at her and say , " Parents are out of town huh? " ....Her reply , " Yep! "
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hours ago removelink
You are a goy with a conscience. A *** has no soul or conscience and has no consideration
for goyim as people/human beings. Jews are sociopathic reptiles. play_arrow 1
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Truth 6 hours ago removelink
It's worth highlighting that the only reason the Palm Beach Police detectives presented
their info to the FBI and the Feds, is that they had first presented it to state prosecutors,
who suddenly stopped returning their calls and clearly weren't going to file charges against
Epstein (at least all the charges that should have been filed).
So the Republican attorney, Acosta, and the Democratic State prosecutor, both wimped out and
covered for Epstein and his associates.
But note how all the focus is only on Acosta, the Republican. play_arrow 2
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Ms No 6 hours ago removelink
The lights have been flipped on the evil. Its all there for anyone with functioning
cognition, a soul or basic instincts.
The evil is exposed for exactly what and where it is. We have done our part and now its up
to the world what they do. play_arrow 9 play_arrow 1
heads_and_thales 6 hours ago removelink
Connected with Abercrombie and Fitch founder? Shocker. play_arrow 5 play_arrow
ReflectoMatic 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
Wow! That is an amazing find.
"Once known for its sexualised ad campaigns, the company has toned down its imagery and no
longer displays nearly nude models in their advertisements. According to then-chairman Arthur
Martinez, these changes provide the hopes that the audience will see the company is evolving
along with its consumers, and boost sales. [4] Abercrombie
& Fitch is now targeting an older consumer, from ages 21 to 24
"Finally, in 1988, Oshman's sold the company name and operations to The Limited , a clothing-chain operator"
" L Brands, Inc. (formerly known as Limited Brands, Inc. and The Limited,
Inc. ) is an American fashion retailer based in Columbus, Ohio.
Of course, they have connections to modeling agencies for those children, and we know all
about the "casting couch". play_arrow 1 play_arrow Give Me Some
Truth 6 hours ago (Edited) removelink
Shouldn't this headline read: "Esptein's lackof Wall Street ties
revealed"
For a billionaire "money manager" there's no evidence he's managing anyone's money.
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Ms No 5 hours ago removelink
He is a front for Mossad and Rothschild banker fuckery. So is Soros.
Soros is just more overt about his activities making it more important that distance is
perceived between entities. All they usually have to do is have Bibi and Soros say bad things
about each other, because people are literally all that stupid.
Thank God murder detectives arent usually so easily thrown off or not one murder would ever
be solved. play_arrow 9 play_arrow 1 gilhgvc 6 hours
ago removelink
the connections between them???....THEY ARE PEDOPHILES, LIKE EPSTEIN. Trust me they may
start with 16 yr olds, but they will eventually need more danger and excitement and they WILL
move on to younger and younger kids...if you think this stopped at some runaway girls, you are
a bigger idiot than Bernie Sanders play_arrow 3 play_arrow
Ms No 5 hours ago (Edited) removelink
Epstein likes pre teens and teens. He certainly provided children. That will be more hidden
because its more dangerous. Thats likely what the island is for. Cant wait to find out who
provides security for island.
Epstein is tied to Clinton and Clinton is tied to child traffickers in Haiti after
earthquake.
Mossad has long been known by many of us to be primary international player in child and
organ trafficking. Just waiting for it to be spelled out to our dumb society by Anne Coulter
and MSM, which means they will figure it out after the fact.
Clintons probably helped but would have liked to have replaced Epstein but they cant. They
are just willing victims of leverage and not Jewish banking oligarchs, despite marrying-in
their daughter. They could never be more. They rose as high as Goy can. Look what happened too.
They got everybody caught. Epstein was noticed most because of Bill Clinton. play_arrow
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hillbilly 6 hours ago (Edited) removelink
You... can't even work a second job at $15/hr without it being immediately transparent to
gov. God forbid you do a side job for cash.
How... can a known criminal of the worst sort hide and access at will 100's of millions of
$$?
If this guy and all his "friends" fold away quietly into the night, then all is lost my
fellow Americans.
A country ruled by sexual deviants/predators isn't worth defending.
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FKTHEGVNMNT 6 hours ago removelink
More poop to scoop, more names for y'all
Jane Doe #43 vs. Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, Lesley Groff, and Natalya
Malyshev, is the second pending civil lawsuit filed against Maxwell by a sex trafficked
survivor.
Prosecutors DID name names in the Kraft case. One of the "Johns" was identified. Actually
all of them were.
This happens in cities all the time when some undercover female police officers pose as
prostitutes and then arrest about 20 "Johns" in one night. These people's names and photos are
published in the newspaper and on websites. The entire idea is to shame these people, which
presumably serves as a deterrent to other would-be customers.
One assumes the government could also name all the "Johns" in the Epstein case too, right?
Who actually got "massages" from children?
Name them. Arrest them. Take their picture as a mug shot and publicize it.
But if you are Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton or Tony Blair or some Fortune 500 CEO or Alan
Dershowitz you don't have to worry about such an outcome.
It's called "equal justice for all." play_arrow 2 play_arrow
Moving and Grooving 3 hours ago removelink
+1 for not adding President Trump to the list. play_arrowplay_arrow
AAPL Slayer 6 hours ago removelink
Here's an idea,start hauling in every pilot every person that worked on any of these flights
clear down to the mechanics it took to keep it faa legal including whoever recorded these
flight logs they are all complicit they may as well have been driving the getaway car for a
bank robbery and see what they have to say from a cell play_arrow 9 play_arrow 1
ToSoft4Truth 6 hours ago removelink
Trump shooting Epstein with a *** made Glock "in the middle of Fifth Avenue" would get my
vote. play_arrow 2 play_arrow 1
Rusticus2.0 6 hours ago (Edited) removelink
I'm sure that option has been looked at.
Since Epstein hasn't suicided himself, one has to assume he's got an insurance policy .
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Truth 6 hours ago removelink
It would actually be great if Epstein talked and told all. Named names, gave details,
etc.
Not that he's going to do this. Not that the government is even going to ask him to do this.
They won't.
Essentially Epstein run a brothel for influential politicians and other stars. Girls were paid so they were hired prostitutes.
That fact that he did it with impunity for so long suggest state sponsorship.
Notable quotes:
"... In fact, the case against Epstein seems so overwhelming that it's already been reported , albeit not confirmed, that his lawyers are seeking a plea bargain. Yet even if Epstein doesn't "flip," it's a cinch that many luminaries -- in politics, business, and entertainment -- will at least be named, if not outright inculpated. ..."
"... Yet perhaps the most aching parallel to Epstein is the NXIUM sex slave case, which has already led to guilty pleas and entangled not only Hollywood stars but also heirs to one of North America's great fortunes, the Bronfmans. ..."
"... In 1944, film legend Charlie Chaplin, too, found himself busted on a Mann Act rap. Chaplin was accused of transporting a young "actress" across state lines; he was acquitted after a sensational trial, but not before it was learned that he had financed his lover's two abortions. Chaplin's career in Hollywood was effectively over. ..."
"... In fact, if one takes all these horrible cases in their totality -- Varsity Blues, NXIUM, Epstein -- one might fairly conclude that the problem is larger than just a few rich and twisted nogoodniks. ..."
"... Hardly. It merely puts it into historical perspective. Epstein is but one of a long line of serial sexual predators through the ages. ..."
"... Biological parentage is no guarantee of virtue towards children. Predatory behaviour towards children is most likely to come from within the family. ..."
"... Bill Clinton had at least 26 international trips on Epstein's private plane, including 18 to Epstein's private Caribbean island, which was reportedly staffed with dozens of underage women, mostly from Latin America. It was referred to as "Orgy Island" or "Pedo Island" by the locals. ..."
"... I disagree show me where the Progressives have any morals after all look at Clinton. Even the so called fake republicans are guilty. Our country is in the toilet . The schools are hotbeds of moral decay teaching kids LGBT sex education etc. ..."
"... Marx himself understood, capitalism is a fundamentally chaotic, disruptive, even revolutionary force that destroys everything that conservatives value the most (and want to "conserve.") The free-market fundamentalism that so many conservatives accept as gospel truth really is nothing more than a "false consciousness." ..."
"... If ever a situation called for rendition, this is it. I've been following this since 2007, and my intuition tells many more important people are involved than those we know. ..."
"... Be very skeptical. Why is DOJ suddenly resurrecting a case that was settled 10 years ago? I can't help to wonder if this isn't yet another part of the coup attempt. ..."
"... Trump also gave other evidence and information he had gleaned to prosecutors during the first Epstien trial. ..."
"... We should point this out as often as possible because liberal media is trying to smear Trump by including his name next to Epstien in every article. ..."
Jeffrey Epstein's trial may do what no other could: Bring populists and progressives together against predatory elites.
By JAMES P. PINKERTON •
July 10, 2019
Jeffrey Epstein mugshot (public domain)
The legal proceedings against financier Jeffrey Epstein are going to be spectacular. The sober-minded New York Times is
already running
headlines such as "Raid on Epstein's Mansion Uncovered Nude Photos of Girls," describing the victims as "minors, some as young
as 14." So, yes, this story is going to be, well, lit .
Epstein is the pluperfect "Great White Defendant," to borrow the phrase from Tom Wolfe's 1987 novel The Bonfire of the Vanities.
In Epstein's case, even the left, normally indulgent on crime, is going to be chanting: lock him up.
In fact, the case against Epstein seems so overwhelming that it's already been
reported , albeit not confirmed, that
his lawyers are seeking a plea bargain. Yet even if Epstein doesn't "flip," it's a cinch that many luminaries -- in politics, business,
and entertainment -- will at least be named, if not outright inculpated.
Which is to say, the Epstein case is shaping up as yet another lurid look at the lifestyles of the rich, famous, and powerful,
sure to boil the blood of populists on the right and class warriors on the left. In this same vein, one also thinks of the "Varsity
Blues" college admissions scandal, as well as the post-Harvey Weinstein #MeToo movement.
Yet perhaps the most aching parallel to Epstein is the
NXIUM sex slave case, which has already led to guilty pleas and entangled not only Hollywood stars but also heirs to one of
North America's great fortunes, the Bronfmans.
In that NXIUM case, it's hard not to notice the similarity between "NXIUM" and "Nexum," which was the ancient Roman word for
personal debt bondage -- that is, a form of slavery.
The Romans, of course, were big on conquest and enslavement, and such aggression always had a sexual dimension, as has been the
case, of course, for all empires, everywhere. Thus we come to a consistent theme across human history, namely the importation of
pretty young things from the provinces for the lecherous benefit of the rich and powerful.
It's believed that Saint Gregory the Great, the pope in the late sixth and early seventh centuries, gazed upon English boys at
a Roman slave market and remarked, non Angli, sed angeli, si forent Christiani ; that is, "They are not Angles, but angels,
if they were Christian." Gregory's point was that such lovely beings needed to be converted to Christianity, although, of course,
others had, and would continue to have, other intentions.
If we fast-forward a thousand years or so, we see another kind of enslavement, resulting, at least in part, from profound economic
inequality. William Hogarth's famous prints , "A
Harlot's Progress," follow the brief life of the fictive yet fetching Moll Hackabout, who comes from the provinces to London seeking
employment as a seamstress -- only to end up as a kept woman, then as a prostitute, before dying of syphilis.
Interestingly, a traditional song about descent into earthly hell, "House of the Rising Sun,"
made popular again in the '60s , also makes reference
to past honest work in the garment trade -- "my mother was a tailor."
If we step back and survey civilization's sad saga of exploitation, we see that it occurs under all manner of political and economic
systems, from feudalism to capitalism to, yes, communism. As for ravenous reds, there's the notorious case of Stalinist apparatchik
Lavrenti Beria, whom one chronicler
says enjoyed "a Draculean sex life that combined love, rape, and perversity in almost equal measure."
In the face of such a distressing litany, it's no wonder that there have been periodic reactions, some of them violent and extreme,
such as the original "bonfire of the vanities" back in the 15th century, led by the zealously puritanical cleric, Savonarola.
Yet for most of us, it's more cheering to think that prudential reform can succeed. One landmark of American reform was the
White-Slave Traffic Act , signed into law in 1910
("white slavery," we might note, is known today as "sex trafficking"). That law, aimed at preventing not only prostitution but also
"debauchery," is known as the Mann Act in honor of its principal author, Representative James R. Mann, Republican of Illinois, who
served in Congress from 1897 to 1922.
Mann's career mostly coincided with the presidential tenures of two great reformers, Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. And
it's hard to overstate just how central to progressive thinking was the combatting of "vice." After all, if the goal was to create
a just society, it also had to be a wholesome society; otherwise no justice could be sustainable. Thus when Roosevelt served
as police commissioner of New York City in the mid-1890s, he focused on fighting vice, rackets, and corruption.
Of course, Mann, Roosevelt, and Wilson had much more on their minds than just cleaning up depravity. They saw themselves as reformers
across the board; that is, they were eager to improve economic conditions as well as social ones.
So it was that Mann also co-authored the Mann-Elkins
Act , further regulating the railroads; he also spearheaded the
Pure Food and Drug Act
, creating the FDA. It's interesting that when Mann died in 1922, The New York Times ran an entirely admiring
obituary , recalling him as "a dominating figure in the House [a] leader in dozens of parliamentary battles." In other words,
back then, the Times was fully onboard with full-spectrum cleanup, on the Right as well as the Left.
To be sure, the Mann Act hardly eradicated the problem of sex-trafficking, just as Mann's other legislative efforts did not put
an end to abuses in transportation and in foods and drugs. However, we can say that Mann made things better .
Of course, the Mann Act has long been controversial. Back in 1913, the African-American boxer Jack Johnson was convicted according
to its provisions. (Intriguingly, in 2018, Johnson was posthumously
pardoned
by President Trump.)
In 1944, film legend Charlie Chaplin, too, found himself busted on a Mann Act rap. Chaplin was accused of transporting a
young "actress" across state lines; he was acquitted after a sensational trial, but not before it was learned that he had financed
his lover's two abortions. Chaplin's career in Hollywood was effectively over.
Cases such as these made the Mann Act distinctly unpopular in "sophisticated" circles. Of course, criticism from the smart set
is not the same as proof that the law is not still valuable. That's why, more than a century after its passage, the Mann Act is
still on the books, albeit much amended. Lawmakers agree that it's still necessary, because, after all, there's always a need to
protect women
from wolves .
Now back to Epstein. If we learn that he was actually running something called the "Lolita Express," that would be a signal that
prosecutors have a lot of work to do, rounding up the pedophile joyriders. So it was interesting on July 6 to see Christine Pelosi,
daughter of the House speaker, posting a stern
tweet : "This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated
but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may -- whether on Republicans or Democrats."
So we can see: the younger Pelosi wants one standard -- a standard that applies to all.
In fact, if one takes all these horrible cases in their totality -- Varsity Blues, NXIUM, Epstein -- one might fairly conclude
that the problem is larger than just a few rich and twisted nogoodniks.
That is, the underlying issues of regional and social inequality -- measured in power as well as wealth -- must be addressed.
To put the matter another way, we need a bourgeoisie that is sturdier economically and more sure of itself culturally. Only then
will we have Legions of Decency and other
Schlafly-esque activist groups to function as counterweights to a corrosive and exploitative culture.
Of course, as TR and company knew, if we seek a better and more protective American equilibrium, a lot will have to change --
and not just in the culture.
Most likely, a true solution will have "conservative" elements, as in social and cultural norming, and "liberal" elements, as
in higher taxes on city slickers coupled with conscious economic development for the proletarians and for the heartland. Only with
these economic and governmental changes can we be sure that it's possible to have a nice life in Anytown, safely far away from beguiling
pleasuredomes.
To be sure, we can't expect ever to solve all the troubles of human nature -- including the rage for fame that drives some youths
from the boondocks. But we can at least bolster the bourgeois alternative to predatory Hefnerism.
In the meantime, unless we can achieve such structural changes, rich and powerful potentates will continue to pull innocent angels
into their gilded dens of iniquity.
James P. Pinkerton is an author and contributing editor at . He served as a White House policy aide to both Presidents
Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
"Most likely, a true solution will have "conservative" elements, as in social and cultural norming, and "liberal" elements,
as in higher taxes on city slickers coupled with conscious economic development for the proletarians and for the heartland."
Neither of which will happen with the blue megacities having political control.
"(T)here's always a need to protect women from wolves." It should be noted that boys who are sex-trafficked also fall under
the Mann Act. This may not be clear from Wikipedia.
Wow! What a wonderful article! The compassion for the young victims just jumps off the screen along with the disgust at the
corruption that has allowed this predator to damage so many lives over at least three decades.
No, the fact is that your dispassionate, detached, political assessment objectifies and dehumanizes the girls that
were abused by Epstein and by the stupidly named "justice system" and reflects the obnoxious rot at the root of our society
when it comes to the abuse of women and children.
When it comes right down to it, this doesn't really matter to you, it is just another political amusement.
"Most likely, a true solution will have "conservative" elements, as in social and cultural norming, and "liberal" elements,
as in higher taxes on city slickers coupled with conscious economic development for the proletarians and for the heartland.
Only with these economic and governmental changes can we be sure that it's possible to have a nice life in Anytown, safely far
away from beguiling pleasuredomes."
Liberal "social and cultural norming" (as in feminism, consent, discussion of sexual matters (gasp!) in the public sphere,
#MeToo, etc.) is what is making a difference more because such things are encouraging victims and giving them support. The (cough)
"justice" system needs reform so that rape kits get processed, victims are listened to instead of shamed, cases are actually
investigated, rapists aren't let off because "he comes from a good family" etc. The Nevada Legislature with it's recent legislation
is leading the way, because it has a female majority. THAT is what will change things FINALLY.
His "historical perspective" is just more of the same sh*t we have heard for millennia as are his prescriptions for solutions.
A key conclusion of the article is that Epstein and other recent scandals about the abuse of power mean "issues of regional
and social inequality -- measured in power as well as wealth -- must be addressed."
So if all regions and all social classes were equal, this would go away? First, gifts have always been and will always be
distributed unequally, so this egalitarian utopia will never be obtained -- leading to the indefinite justification "we have
more work to do" to force people and society into an unattainable intellectual ideal, and justifying endless injustices in the
process. Second, the article itself points out that the Soviets who ostensibly pursued an egalitarian state had a famous abuser
among the ranks of their political bosses (and likely had others we don't known about).
Ultimately, kids are best cared for and defended in family with their biological parents -- the very unit of society that's
been under unceasing attack for decades. Support the family and support small business which is responsible for something like
80% of new jobs created in the US. Then vigorously enforce the laws that are already on the books. A key problem with Epstein
was the law was for years or decades not enforced against him, I strongly suspect because he had very highly placed political
connections, probably several of which were sexually abusing young girls (and/or boys?) Epstein "introduced" them to. What amount
of social engineering or experimentation is going to eliminate that kind of political corruption? I highly doubt any will. Once
it's discovered, everyone involved should be prosecuted and exposed -- and any other cases of sex slavery rings discovered in
the process likewise have all their members prosecuted & exposed.
Lavrenti Beria as the prescient symbol of Soviet Babbitry v. worldwide immorality! So was Ernst Rohm! Thank god for the KGB
and SS as harbingers of true moral concern over sex abuse!
"Ultimately, kids are best cared for and defended in family with their biological parents "
LMAO. Historically the family and biologoical parents were part and parcel in many of the deals involved with these trades.
Biological parentage is no guarantee of virtue towards children. Predatory behaviour towards children is most likely
to come from within the family. I can't remember the family name but there was a family that made a big thing of their
"Proper Christian Family" even while one son was abusing his younger sister/s and the Parents protected and shielded him.
"In Epstein's case, even the left, normally indulgent on crime, is going to be chanting: lock him up." - You almost lost
me on that one. The Left is not normally 'indulgent on crime'. However, The Left is resistant to making 'immorality' (pot smoking,
sodomy, gambling, gay marriage, etc) criminal, given how driving 'vice' underground and making it illegal has unintended consequences
(such as creating the mafia and Latin American drug cartels) that are worse than 'the crime', but I decided to read on.
"That is, the underlying issues of regional and social inequality -- measured in power as well as wealth -- must be addressed."
- All in for that one. Glad to see your 'wokeness'. Please send a check to Bernie.
"In the meantime, unless we can achieve such structural changes, rich and powerful potentates will continue to pull innocent
angels into their gilded dens of iniquity" - Like Donald Trump, Roger Ailes, Roy Moore, David Vitter, Dennis Hastert, Chris
Collins, Duncan Hunter, Michael Grimm, and on and on.
The Democrats have shown they are more than willing to ostracize members of their own team (Al Franken) for alleged and actual
wrongdoing. The Republicans, not so much, since they usually overlook all kinds of deviance if a politically expedient. Such
as Tim Murphy from PA and Scott DesJarlais from TN, both married 'anti-abortion' zealots caught urging their mistresses to have
abortions.
"The Democrats have shown they are more than willing to ostracize members of their own team (Al Franken) for alleged
and actual wrongdoing."
Like Bill Clinton. The same Team D Wokemon champions who insisted that any form of sexual or romantic contact between a male
supervisor and a female subordinate was by definition sexual harassment suddenly changed their tune when Bill Clinton was the
supervisor.
Not only that, but they came up with the most hilarious tortured redefinitions of "perjury" in order to justify their hero.
For the record: I am not a Team R fan either, but I am not so naive as to think the problem is limited to one team.
It is not. Bill Clinton was a cad. No doubt. But I find it very interesting that Juanita Broaddick recanted her allegations
against Clinton when Ken Starr put her under oath.
The only outrage Democrats will actually express over Epstein is to again tar and feather Trump in the usual fashion: Nibble
at the toes of hapless political operatives and bureaucrats like Acosta, and then accuse the President of colluding in his own
purported ignorance and self-enrichment.
There is an elephant in the room I think many conservatives are ignoring right now. A real big one...
"President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, the 66-year-old hedge fund manager charged this week with sex trafficking and
conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, were the only other attendees to a party that consisted of roughly two dozen women at
his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a New York Times report."
"In 1992, the women were reportedly flown in for a "calendar girl" competition that was requested by Trump, The Times said.
"At the very first party, I said, 'Who's coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming,'" former Trump associate George Houraney
reportedly said. "It was him and Epstein."
"I said, 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You're telling me it's you and Epstein," he recalled saying."
"Houraney claimed to have warned Trump about Epstein's behavior and said the real estate tycoon did not heed his notice.
Houraney, a businessman, reportedly said Trump "didn't care" about how he had to ban Epstein from his events."
This is an old elephant. It raised its head during the campaign and did not make much in the way of waves. Will it come back
to bite the president today -- one hopes that its all rumor hearsay and gossip.
I am willing to grant that the president may have been a "masher" in his day. Whether that means relations with children
is another matter.
Bill Clinton had at least 26 international trips on Epstein's private plane, including 18 to Epstein's private Caribbean
island, which was reportedly staffed with dozens of underage women, mostly from Latin America. It was referred to as "Orgy Island"
or "Pedo Island" by the locals.
One is a retired politician. The other is the current POTUS. If Bill is guilty, lock him up. If Trump is guilty - we need
to know ASAP and he can no longer be the president.
If Jeffery Epstein is such a monster then what is one to make of a man who has been quoted as saying "You can do what ever
you want, grab them by the *****." and then during a presidential debate shamelessly state "I have great respect for women.
Nobody has more respect for women than I do."?
Laughing good grief --- First I have to get passed the suggestion that guys bragging nonsensically about their female conquests
is the same hiring teens to for relations.
Good grief . . . these types of issues are ripe for hysterics.
excuse my politically incorrect suggestion of making the categorical distinctions
I disagree show me where the Progressives have any morals after all look at Clinton. Even the so called fake republicans
are guilty. Our country is in the toilet . The schools are hotbeds of moral decay teaching kids LGBT sex education etc.
Cultural Marxism is at play and next they will soften up and normalize pedophile. As far as the women's movement they are bitter
progressives who on there Facebook moaning about how they make less money then men. Who is taking of the kids? There are no
real men any more they have become boys!! Sex is every where and no one cares they all going along with the new world order!
You forgot to mention our current thrice divorced President who cheats on his wife with porn stars and pays them to stay
quiet. Strong moral leadership....
If this happened, my faith in the "rule of law" and in prosecutors and law enforcement treating everyone equally might be
restored. But, alas, we all know this is not going to happen.
"...the younger Pelosi wants one standard -- a standard that applies to all."
Don't we all. But if history teaches us anything it teaches that the higher up the socioeconomic food chain we go, the more
"flexible" that standard becomes.
So we'll see about Epstein--and all the other big shots who were in on this debauch.
"...the younger Pelosi wants one standard -- a standard that applies to all."
Does she want that single standard to apply to people that flaunt our laws by having, say, a clandestine and illegal email
server that was used for classified correspondence?
Mr. Pinkerton apparently (like many) needs to learn what the definition of pedophile is (hint: It's doesn't mean any and
all sex under he legal age of consent). However illegal (to say nothing of distasteful and immoral) Epstein's actions may have
been, based on the claims I've seen, he is not a pedophile.
I also find it hard to believe that Clinton and others didn't know. Rumours of Epstein's proclivities, and his plane being
called "Lolita Express," have been around for along-time, but Epstein has been protected by his connections and wealth. Clinton
flew nearly 30 times on Epstein's private jet. Is he the only person in the world who never heard the stories about him? What
did he know and when did he know it?
If you're asking that question about Clinton- a 90s has-been politician whose own party has moved on past him, then I hope
you're also asking it about the current president who was also a bosom buddy to Epstein.
According to flight manifests, Trump flew one time, from New York to Palm Beach, on Epstein's plane. Clinton took at least
26 international trips on the Lolita Express, including 18 trips to Epstein's private Caribbean island, where he supposedly
had dozens of underage women from Latin America kept. The locals referred to it at 'Orgy Island" and "Pedo Island". We're not
exactly comparing apples to apples here, are we?
Compare the Mueller soap opera. The characters in that story were sleazy international fixers and blackmailers who worked
for everyone. Same type as Epstein. They worked for KGB, CIA, Clinton, Trump, Mossad, Saudi. Despite the universality of the
crimes, Mueller meticulously "saw" only the crimes that involved Trump and Russia. FBI always works that way. Any accusation
or evidence that doesn't fit the predefined story disappears.
Muller had a specific investigatory mission. He was not empowered to look into every government scandal since Alexander Hamilton
was blackmailed by Maria Reynolds.
Part of what doomed the post-WWII "Right" was the "fusionism" between conservatism and capitalism. While the latter got real
policy results, the former was merely pandered to during elections but otherwise ignored. As a result, leftists and centrists
mistakenly came to believe that being "right-wing" means being a corporate shill lobbying to cut taxes for the rich and pay
for it by cutting programs for the poor.
At the same time,
as Marx himself understood, capitalism is a fundamentally chaotic, disruptive, even revolutionary force that destroys
everything that conservatives value the most (and want to "conserve.") The free-market fundamentalism that so many conservatives
accept as gospel truth really is nothing more than a "false consciousness."
Many traditionalists (such as Russell Kirk) resisted fusionism for placing too much emphasis on markets and not enough on
the conservative commitment "to religious belief, to national loyalty, to established rights in society, and to the wisdom
of our ancestors." And many libertarians (such as F.A. Hayek) explicitly rejected conservatism for being too nationalistic
and hostile toward open systems.
If conservatives want any political future in this country, then they're going to have to "de-fuse," so to speak, with capitalism,
which has been exploiting their support in order to advance policies against their own interests and values. If
"Woke Capitalism" isn't the final straw, then what will it take? Conservatives could learn a lot from the Progressive Movement
of the 1890s-1920s, which despite its name was far more conservative than the David-Frenchist National Review is nowadays.
Indeed, the Progressives' reformist playbook (which recognized that the rapid changes brought by industrialization, immigration,
and urbanization had caused corruption, poverty, and vice) could and should be dusted off for today.
As far as Epstein goes, I'm rather pessimistic that he'll ever be punished and that the public will ever learn the full extent
of his crimes. While Nancy Pelosi's daughter may be principled (and good for her), the fact that so many wealthy and powerful
people may be incriminated is precisely why he'll be let off easy and the evidence will be covered up, just like last time.
I have zero confidence in our justice system, particularly in the hyper-politicized SDNY.
If ever a situation called for rendition, this is it. I've been following this since 2007, and my intuition tells many
more important people are involved than those we know. Anyone involved would be terrified; they'll have to break someone
to get the facts. As someone who was almost abducted at age 9, I say get on it.
Be very skeptical. Why is DOJ suddenly resurrecting a case that was settled 10 years ago? I can't help to wonder if this
isn't yet another part of the coup attempt.
Twisted sisters will do what they do with or without social disparities. All you can do is bury them when you catch them.
If the rich and famous get caught up, no ones fault but their own.
The Mann Act mainly served to enforce Roman Catholic ideas about marriage's being somehow special. The Bible offers no such
thing as an example of a religious marriage, whether Muslim, Catholic or Protestant, unless it be that of Job.
You expect a free pass for this term paper theory that downright American types are going to unite to stop sexual predation,
and their brains will swirl with reminiscences of St. Gregory and Sen. Mann?
I am unaware that Chaplin's career was "effectively over" after his sex trial. Chaplin made "Monsieur Verdoux" in 1947 in
good time after the modern Bluebeard of France, Marcel Petiot made headlines (this predator swindled Jews of safe passage money
out of France, poisoned them, and burned their bodies in his home. No time of reckoning for France or Francophiles here). Five
years later he released "Limelight", which could be called a loving tribute to vaudeville and silent film at the same time (Buster
Keaton appeared, and it is said that many omitted segments were his finest hour in the sound era. Note that financially and
at box office, Keaton was as ruined and burned out as countless others, but was in the end a hard working trouper who even made
it to Samuel Beckett!). Chaplin flagged thereafter, but made films at exactly the pace he wished, as characterized by the slow
linger from "Modern Times" to "The Great Dictator".
Errol Flynn on the other hand was boosted by his sex scandal as alleged with a 15 year old. His release "They Died With Their
Boots On" made reference to the allegation that Flynn was naked except for a pair of boots. And remember the original Hollywood
Confidential scandal that rounded up dozens of celebrities including Lizbeth Scott in a prostitution ring? All forgotten.
So if your going to make big analogies between Hollywood, celebrity, and yet another paroxysm of soon to evaporate Puritan
righteousness, at least know what you're talking about.
For the record, I believe that if Epstein punched 8 years above his weight in his choice of femmes, he might never have been
caught.
The article is way to long and I read the first paragraph and after the words "The sober-minded New York Times" I jumped
to the comments. The headline was enough for me...I agree, Lock Him Up.
"... Bear Stearns -- the bank that had given Mr. Epstein his start -- was still among his investments when the crisis hit. According to a lawsuit he later filed against the bank, Mr. Epstein controlled about 176,000 shares of Bear Stearns, worth nearly $18 million, in August 2007. ..."
"... Mr. Epstein sold 56,000 shares at $101 each that month. He sold the remaining 120,000 shares in March 2008 as the firm was collapsing -- 20,000 at $35 and the rest at $3.04, losing big. He also lost about $50 million in one of Bear's hedge funds. ..."
"... By the time Bear Stearns came apart, Mr. Epstein was at the center of his first abuse case. He pleaded guilty to prostitution charges in 2008, receiving a jail sentence that allowed him to work at home during the day but also required him to register as a sex offender ..."
"... The court document alleges: "Epstein also sexually trafficked the then-minor Jane Doe (a name used in US legal proceedings for people with anonymity), making her available for sex to politically connected and financially powerful people. ..."
"... "Epstein's purposes in 'lending' Jane Doe (along with other young girls) to such powerful people were to ingratiate himself with them for business, personal, political, and financial gain, as well as to obtain potential blackmail information. ..."
"... Journalist George Webb, watch his Youtube channel, has been following Epstein 'activities' for decades, connecting him all the way back to the Bush Sr. and Jr. Boys Town White House peadophile ring. Epstein was the 'go to guy' for rat line trafficking missions, into Kosovo, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, every war zone across the world one can think of, to move dark ops in and out of, closely linked to DynCorp, which core business is 'aviation security services' and infamous for enabling and promoting underage transgressions of all of its personnel in Yugoslavia where Bill Clinton has murdered many thousands unbeknownst to the gullible and rather retarded Americuh public ..."
Jeffrey Epstein's wealth has long been a topic of discussion since becoming known as a 'billionaire pedophile' and other similar
monickers. Described by prosecuitors this week as a "man of nearly infinite means," a
2011 SEC filing has
provided a window into the registered sex offender's elite Wall Street links, according to the
Financial Times .
Epstein, who caught a lucky break tutoring the son of Bear Stearns chairman Alan Greenberg before joining the firm, left the
investment bank in 1981 to set up his own financial firm. While he reportedly managed money for billionaires for decades, most of
Epstein's dealings have been done in the shadows.
A 2011 SEC filing reveals that Epstein's privately held firm, the Financial Trust Company , took a 6.1% stake in Pennsylvania-based
catalytic converter maker Environmental Solutions Worldwide (ESW) backed by Leon Black, the billionaire founder of Apollo Global
Management .
ESW itself has a checkered past. In 2002, its then-chairman Bengt Odner was accused by the SEC of participating with others in
a $15 million "pump and dump" scheme with ESW stock. The case was settled a year later according to FT , with Odner ordered to pay
a $25,000 civil penalty. Of note, ESW accepted Epstein's investment several years after he had registered as a sex offender in a
controversial 2008 plea deal in Florida.
Epstein's connection to Black doesn't stop there - as the financier served as a director on the Leon Black Family Foundation
for over a decade until 2012 according to IRS filings. A spokeswoman for the foundation claims that Epstein had resigned in July
2007, and that his name continued to appear on the IRS filings "due to a recording error" for five years. A 2015 document signed
by Epstein provided to the Financial Times appears to confirm this.
Epstein also built his wealth with Steven J. Hoffenberg and Leslie H. Wexner, the former of whom was convicted of running a giant
Ponzi scheme, and the latter a clothing magnate.
Mr. Epstein's wealth may have depended less on his math acumen than his connections to two men -- Steven J. Hoffenberg, a
onetime owner of The New York Post and a notorious fraudster later convicted of running
a $460 million Ponzi scheme , and Leslie H. Wexner, the billionaire founder of retail chains including The Limited and the
chief executive of the company that owns Victoria's Secret.
Mr. Hoffenberg was Mr. Epstein's partner in two ill-fated takeover bids in the 1980 s, including one of Pan American World
Airways, and would later claim that Mr. Epstein had been part of the scheme that landed him in jail -- although Mr. Epstein
was never charged. With Mr. Wexner, Mr. Epstein formed a financial and personal bond that baffled longtime associates of the
wealthy retail magnate, who was his only publicly disclosed investor. -
New York Times
"I think we both possess the skill of seeing patterns," Wexner told Vanity Fair in 2003. "But Jeffrey sees patterns in politics
and financial markets, and I see patterns in lifestyle and fashion trends."
Those around Wexner were mystified over Wexner's affinity for Epstein.
" Everyone was mystified as to what his appeal was ," said Robert Morosky, a former vice chairman of The Limited. "I checked
around and found out he was a private high school math teacher, and that was all I could find out. There was just nothing there."
As the New York Times
noted on Wednesday, Epstein's "infinite means" may be a mirage, as while he is undoubtedly extremely rich, there is "little
evidence that Mr. Epstein is a billionaire."
While Epstein told potential clients he only accepted investments of $1 billion or more, his investment firm reported having
$88 million in capital from his shareholders, and 20 employees according to a 2002 court filing - far fewer than figures being reported
at the time.
And while most of Epstein's dealings are unknown, his Financial Trust Company also had a $121 million investment in DB Zwirn
& Co, which shuttered its doors in 2008, and had a stake in Bear Stearns's failed High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies Enhanced
Leverage Fund - the collapse of which helped spark the global financial crisis.
Epstein was hit hard by the financial crisis a decade ago, while allegations of sexual abuse of teenage girls caused many associates
- such as Wexner - to sever ties with him.
Bear Stearns -- the bank that had given Mr. Epstein his start -- was still among his investments when the crisis hit.
According to a lawsuit he later filed against the bank, Mr. Epstein controlled about 176,000 shares of Bear Stearns, worth nearly
$18 million, in August 2007.
Mr. Epstein sold 56,000 shares at $101 each that month. He sold the remaining 120,000 shares in March 2008 as the firm was
collapsing -- 20,000 at $35 and the rest at $3.04, losing big. He also lost about $50 million in one of Bear's hedge funds.
By the time Bear Stearns came apart, Mr. Epstein was at the center of his first abuse case. He pleaded guilty to prostitution
charges in 2008, receiving a jail sentence that allowed him to work at home during the day but also required him to register
as a sex offender. -
New York Times
In trying to determine what Epstein is actually worth, Bloomberg notes that " So little is known about Epstein's current business
or clients that the only things that can be valued with any certainty are his properties. The Manhattan mansion is estimated to
be worth at least $ 77 million , according to a federal document submitted in advance of his bail hearing."
He also has properties in New Mexico, Paris and the U.S. Virgin Islands, where he has a private island, and a Palm Beach
estate with an assessed value of more than $12 million . He shuttles between them by private jet and has at least 15 cars, including
seven Chevrolet Suburbans, according to federal authorities. -
Bloomberg
Deutsche Bank, meanwhile,
severed ties with Epstein earlier this year - right as federal prosecutors were preparing to charge him with operating a sex-trafficking
ring of underage girls out of his sprawling homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach, according to Bloomberg , citing a person familiar
with the situation. It is unknown how much money was involved or how long Epstein had been a client.
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FKTHEGVNMNT , 1 hour ago
That black book is still missing, it is actually a meticulous journal. His butler who died at 60 due to mesothelioma kept
it as insurance, those snippets was just him saying " I got the goods.
Dr.Strangelove , 1 hour ago
The Feds should do what they did with Al Capone, and put him in the slammer on tax evasion charges. I'm sure Epstein has
reported all of his ill gotten billions to the IRS tax man.....NOT.
CheapBastard , 43 minutes ago
I wonder how many human assets, aka, slave girls, he owns? I guess they could value the slave child based on how much revenue
they brought in.
FKTHEGVNMNT , 2 hours ago
The court document alleges: "Epstein also sexually trafficked the then-minor Jane Doe (a name used in US legal proceedings
for people with anonymity), making her available for sex to politically connected and financially powerful people.
"Epstein's purposes in 'lending' Jane Doe (along with other young girls) to such powerful people were to ingratiate himself
with them for business, personal, political, and financial gain, as well as to obtain potential blackmail information.
I wonder if Prince Andrew has deleted him from Facebook
marcel tjoeng , 3 hours ago
Journalist George Webb, watch his Youtube channel, has been following Epstein 'activities' for decades, connecting him
all the way back to the Bush Sr. and Jr. Boys Town White House peadophile ring. Epstein was the 'go to guy' for rat line
trafficking missions, into Kosovo, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, every war zone across the world one can think of, to move dark
ops in and out of, closely linked to DynCorp, which core business is 'aviation security services' and infamous for enabling
and promoting underage transgressions of all of its personnel in Yugoslavia where Bill Clinton has murdered many thousands unbeknownst
to the gullible and rather retarded Americuh public.
Trafficking underage girls from Ukraine back and forth to the USA to pimp out to every diplomat from every country that bought
and sold state secrets, flying underage girls to the Middle East to peddle to oil sheiks, involved with obtaining and exchanging
state secrets of for instance American DARPA, the top secret military research giant, to any 'diplomat' connected to the secretive
network of an 'Illuminati' type deep state collusion, the power brokers of war and sex.
The Irgun of Menachem Begin, the Mossad of Moshe Dayan were infamous for their poolside parties where all the jewish female
'pretty' Israeli agents were used and trained to be honey pot sex objects, with mandatory sex orgies that lasted for days, the
worst of a James Bond type environment but without the glitter.
on the contrary, the secret world of parasites that practice and trade in massive scale rape, war, torture, sex aberrations,
***********, blackmail, extortion, paedophilia, child trafficking, international orphan trafficking, drugs, trafficking underage
sex slaves to be used as dolls and much much worse,
that is who is Jeffrey Epstein is.
The front cover of rape, murder and mayhem international Inc., the go-to-boy of sick Wall Street, Washington DC, the CIA,
NSA, Dyncorp, the power brokers within the DNC and the GOP,
all the usual sick subjects whose code mantra is 'we have unlimited funding', which means the FED, Wall Street, the BIS,
the whole of the Central Bank System that originated in Europe in Venice, and then spread to Amsterdam, the Dutch House of Orange,
London, New York, the British paedophile Empire,
Epstein lives in what is reputed to be the largest private dwelling in New Mexico, on an $18 million, 7,500-acre ranch
which he named Zorro.
Jeffrey Epstein's palatial New Mexico home is relatively near to a top military base. The Epstein home is in Stanley
in New Mexico.
Albuquerque now has a variety of Jewish synagogues and a Chabad house.
Mossad sex party, according to former Mossad case officer Victor Ostrovsky
There were about 25 people in and around the pool and none of them had a stitch of clothing on.
The second-in-command of the Mossad -- today, he is the head -- was there.
Hessner. Various secretaries. It was incredible. Some of the men were not a pretty sight, but most of the girls were
quite impressive. I must say they looked much better than they did in uniform! Most of them were female soldiers assigned
to the office, and were only 18 or 20 years old.
Some of the partiers were in the water playing, some were dancing, others were on blankets to the left and the right
having a fine old time vigorously screwing each other right there...
It was the top brass all right, and they were swapping partners. It really shook me. That's sure not what you expect.
You look at these people as heroes, you look up to them, and then you see them having a sex party by the pool.
-- Ostrovsky, Victor, By Way of Deception, (1990), pg. 96
ReflectoMatic , 2 hours ago
Because what George Webb is saying is so important in expanding the scope of understanding what is going on:
George Webb on youtube
JSBach1 , 3 hours ago
Researcher Wayne Madsen: Trump's Connection to Epstein Needs to Be Exposed
I like Miles' work a lot, but I don't always agree with the results of his studies. There are a great many fabricated events.
Events like those are cover for other very real events. The clowns will fake (or real) blow up townships just to prevent a case
from going to trial or getting news feed, OKC comes to mind. And there's always more than one reason for it behind the BS cover
story. It's tactical. Ep is just another arm of the octopus: Ep is definitely a middle man, a bag man, a front man, an intel
asset (for several agancies no doubt) and he got his cover job as a "financier" along with a client that got rich selling women's
underwear and kids clothes as whitewash. A guy who wrote a paper on how America perceives Israel and how to influence that perception.
That is the definition of magic and it's intel.
Ep definitely uses his own product... He had to be sure he could bounce those children off his clients, for one. Years of
grooming, investing in an asset, categorizing each one. It's an industry, for sure. I don't think the numbers are fabricated.
I don't think his black book was fabricated. Bloomberg was in there, btw, along with Bronfman, and Murdoch. The remoteness of
7500 acres in New Mexico, an Island, the planes, all neon signs that say "SECRET". But, you have to recruit from large population
areas to find suitable victims, er, individuals. I think it's more likely that this is real world and not a manufactured event.
Look: there are theories. I collect theories. Miles is a great researcher and he makes distinctions and observations that
are all very good. Reading him, I throw a lot of theories and music and vomit in the trash after. But when you peel back all
the fake events... the "Kansas"... One day Kansas is gone. Once and for all. What's left is this: there's some very real ****
on the down-low going on that has, until now, been permitted and some people who liked it that way are gonna be on the news
for it. Pelosi's kid tweeted it. What about, say, what might a sheriff of a certain New Mexico county know? Santa Fe is totally
compromised because it's an "Art" hub, for one. The unincorporated location is called "Stanley" which ought to ring bells. Right
by a military base, Kirtland and Los Alamos Demo Army base, god knows what else. It's the perfect M.O. of the fake events Miles
writes about. Miles sees patterns.
There is everything that is not real, and then there is everything that is real. For me it comes down to the Cartesian Brain
in a Vat theory, that, indeed, is "the Matrix" pop culture go-to of today, err, 20 years ago. Red pilled means you can't go
back. Get blue pilled you Get woke and go broke. It doesn't mean that everything is fake, but for all I know 2012 was real and
we live on this timeline now and maybe I am a brain in a vat. So cogito ergo sum. And that is kind of a statement of faith or
belief. It's the deep irony of philosophy. It's the glitch.
Ep is not the psyop. He's the guy you do the psyop to cover up. It's a better question to ask what generation MK Ultra are
we on? What subset? What might Cathy O'Brien have to say about it? Don't flame the victims, or make Miles look stupid because
you think it's all fake. Andrew Breitbart didn't think this **** was fake and he's dead. God bless him.
Theosebes Goodfellow , 3 hours ago
~Those around Wexner were mystified over Wexner's affinity for Epstein.~
Apparently those around Wexner were not familiar with the term "fourteen year-old spinner".
Lumberjack , 3 hours ago
...
Dershowitz was one of several heavy-hitters on Epstein's first legal defense team. Epstein's lead attorney in the Florida
case was Jack Goldberger, who now represents New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft. His legal team also included Roy Black,
Jay Lefkowitz, Gerald Lefcourt, former U.S. Attorney Guy Lewis and Kenneth Starr, the special prosecutor who investigated Bill
Clinton's sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Asked why he took Epstein as a client, given the unsavory nature of his alleged crimes, Dershowitz stated bluntly, "That's
what I do."
"I take controversial cases and I will continue to do so," he told Sinclair Broadcast Group in a Tuesday interview. "I defended
Jeff Epstein for the same reason John Adams defended the people accused of the Boston Massacre
On that note, Schumer said he'll give the money he received to help children and women.
I'd bet twice that amount it goes to Israeli causes. Not to real victims and the kahkzucker gets another nice write off.
Epstein's intel connections must be brought forth. My guess is when Kraft got busted that there were really big names that
are still being hidden. A long time and VERY TRUSTED ZH member that I know a bit and collaborated a bit with on the Linda Green
fiasco caught on and commented about it including providing solid evidence.
Maybe they should stop blaming Iran and Russia and look at Linda herself.
"... Pretty uncomfortable for him while its all being exposed. He knew. He stated that Epstein liked young girls. He said this so not to threaten them when running against long term ZOG apparatchik Clintons. ..."
"... This is what they were afraid of all along. Epstein exposes fifth column completely. It was already exposed before the race and Clinton, who would shelter them 100%, was unelectable. They were vulnerable and paranoid. Paranoid that this would happen. Trump isn't doing this. It us just happening around him. ..."
And Bonespurs, by his own admission, is the best friend the Jews ever had. That tells you
all you need to know about him and this **** mess.
vienna_proxy , 6 hours ago
he betrayed us on Syria by not removing American soldiers, all to serve israel
Ms No , 6 hours ago
Pretty uncomfortable for him while its all being exposed. He knew. He stated that Epstein
liked young girls. He said this so not to threaten them when running against long term ZOG
apparatchik Clintons.
Its as if he was saying "Dont worry I wasn't your first choice but I am no threat to you.
I will fill positions with Goldman Sachs and Jews just like every other ZOG puppet. My
daughter is also married in and you finance my ****."
This is what they were afraid of all along. Epstein exposes fifth column completely. It
was already exposed before the race and Clinton, who would shelter them 100%, was
unelectable. They were vulnerable and paranoid. Paranoid that this would happen. Trump isn't
doing this. It us just happening around him.
Talk is ( My Understanding ) that Epstein had only One Billionaire client, the guy that
owns Victoria Secret and more, who gave Epstein the Eastside New York Mansion for $1.00 ( my
guess Is Blackmailed ) revealing all the Epstein lifetime earnings being Child Prostitution
related' including Blackmailings and other dastardly deeds, just a Con Man extraordinaire,
when Epstein Blackmailings tie into Hugh Hefner ( Bill Mahers best friend ) Blackmailings
their will Not be enough Rocks on the Planet Earth for the Deep State to find and hide under,
because Ray(chel) Chandler Obamas squeeze filmed for Blackmailing the goings-on at Orgy
Island, Note' Chandler became a common term for Child that works at being a Child Handler, or
Ray Chandler could be a boy or assorted Raychel Chandler girls, the actual Ray(chel) Chandler
was often pictured with Obama thru the years and took the Lolita Express arm in arm with Bill
Clinton at 15 years old, she trained underagers sex and liked taking pictures !
Epstein Island has No Airport and Richard Branson has an Island next to Epstein's
Pedo-Island, I heard Branson's Island is mostly undeveloped except for one area with a big
fancy Hotel where the Beach allows swimmers to walk out to Sea for a roundabout a Mile in
Four foot deep water, see Picture Comey took with Bill Clinton and Four others standing in
Four foot deep water posing, second picture identifies James Comey standing near small boat,
( Raychel Chandler is supposed to be one of the Two girls on the Boat Not standing in Ocean
Shallows posing for the pictures ) the Hotel and developed neighborhood is seen in background
!
Xingqiwu , 7 hours ago
Does anyone know if Judge Roberts ever flew on the plane?
fersur , 7 hours ago
Have Not heard his name being tied in, most of the next release about Epstein Island will
relate to who was there in 2011 when the 16 pictures were taken, it will take at least a year
for some information release !
Xingqiwu , 7 hours ago
And Comey's own daughter will be "prosecuting" Epstein, is that right?
Some commenters have an impression that this is the result of Trump triggering backmail clause by failing
to act as required by those running the show.
Notable quotes:
"... So Epstein is a pimp. In the employ of blackmailers? Why is the New York AG after his ass now? After all these years. Who is the target if not Trump? I doubt the Justice Department is out to get the Mossad. ..."
"... Well, it was certainly supported by _some_ intelligence agency or agencies of _some_ country or countries. After all, gathering blackmail information on prominent public/private figures around the world is part of their job description. ..."
"... This renewed prosecution of Epstein isn't about protecting young girls from billionaire predators, it's an excuse to subpoena any human who ever stepped foot into Maralago so that the Democrat staffed SDNY can find other unrelated info on Trump to accuse him of bad deeds. It's more GetTrump and anyone who ever breathed near him. ..."
"... What evidence is there that Mueller, as FBI Director, would have issued such a stand-down order to U.S. Attorney Acosta? Wouldn't it have been much more likely to have come from AG Mukasey or his deputy? (Who was the Deputy AG then?) ..."
"... What's good is that most people commenting on the threads understand just how deep the rot goes and that it's not confined to North America. ..."
So Epstein is a pimp. In the employ of blackmailers? Why is the New York AG after his ass now? After all these years.
Who is the target if not Trump? I doubt the Justice Department is out to get the Mossad.
Vicky Ward's new piece in the Daily Beast said that Acosta explained his signing off on the nonprosecution agreement
by saying he had been told by a superior that Epstein was intel's deal and above his pay grade, so he should back off. I
take it the NYT left that out?
Epstein's criminal enterprise was a CIA operation.
Well, it was certainly supported by _some_ intelligence agency or agencies of _some_ country or countries. After all,
gathering blackmail information on prominent public/private figures around the world is part of their job description.
This renewed prosecution of Epstein isn't about protecting young girls from billionaire predators, it's an excuse to
subpoena any human who ever stepped foot into Maralago so that the Democrat staffed SDNY can find other unrelated info on Trump
to accuse him of bad deeds. It's more GetTrump and anyone who ever breathed near him.
In addition to the phenomenal work
that Miami Herald has done to revive this scandal and the inherent injustice there in, TruNews ran a expose on this back in
March of this year (watch the video and start from 23:12 onward):
Alan Dershowitz was one of Epstein's lawyers who constructed the lenient deal with Acosta (surprise, surprise):
"Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?" Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained,
breezily, apparently, that back in the day he'd had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He'd cut the non-prosecution
deal with one of Epstein's attorneys because he had "been told" to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. "I was
told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone," he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who
evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta.
[ ]
After the one meeting with then-U.S. Attorney Acosta, where presumably "intelligence" was mentioned, the indictment was
shelved and, instead, Epstein signed a non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors, pleading guilty to one count
of solicitation of prostitution and one count of procurement of minors for prostitution, which earned him a cushy 13
months in county jail, from where he was allowed to leave to work at his office and go for walks.
The deal granted immunity to "any potential co-conspirators." Most significantly, federal prosecutors agreed to keep
the deal secret from Epstein's victims, which meant they would not know to challenge it in court. As it turned out, this
actually broke the law, because victims have a right to know of such developments, under the Crime Victims' Rights Act.
Wayne Madsen wrote some interesting pieces on Jeffrey Epstein:
[MORE]
[ ]
Epstein served a mere 13 months in prison on prostitution charges, not the longer term he would have seen had he been
convicted on pedophilia counts . The deal worked out between Epstein's attorneys and Florida prosecutors also involved
the Florida Attorney General at the time, then-Republican and close Bush friend Charlie Crist. Republican Attorney General
Bill McCollum actually signed a sweetheart plea deal with Epstein's attorneys in 2007 . Crist, of course, is no stranger
to sex scandals involving underage individuals, but in Crist's case, they were individuals of the same sex.
[ ]
Justice for the teens abused by Epstein, and allegedly by his friends Andrew and others, may be elusive. Florida prosecutors
who worked for both Jeb Bush and, later, GOP Governor Charlie Crist , arranged for a "non-prosecution agreement" (NPA)
that shielded Epstein and any "potential co-conspirators" from federal prosecutions after Epstein agreed to the plea deal
that saw him plead guilty to a single state charge of soliciting prostitution, without any mention of the age of the so-called
"prostitutes." The no-further-prosecution deal was worked out between Epstein's lawyers and Florida and the federal government.
Epstein's lawyers happened to be Alan Dershowitz; Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel of "Monicagate" fame; and Miami
celebrity trial lawyer Roy Black. The terms of the NPA were called into question in a letter written in 2011 by former
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, R. Alexander Acosta, and the dubious deal-making with Epstein's lawyers
during Bush's and Crist's tenure is clearly apparent:
[ ]
It is noteworthy that Attorney General William Barr , seen as Trump's personal lawyer and hatchet man, may have known
Epstein in the 1970s. In 1973, Donald Barr , the headmaster of Manhattan's elite Dalton Schoola private school for
children of some of New York's wealthiest families, hired Epstein, who did not even possess a college degree, to teach
mathematics, physics, and calculus . Students attending Dalton at the time included the son of Alan Greenberg, the chairman
of the now-defunct Wall Street firm Bear Stearns. In 1976, Greenberg hired Epstein to be a trader at Bear Stearns and
the degree-less math teacher soon became a billionaire . Others attending Dalton during Epstein's tenure include actresses
Jennifer Gray and Tracy Pollan and television's "Bizarre Foods" chef Andrew Zimmern. Epstein's association with Barr have
some observers jokingly referring to the matter as the "Epstein-Barr" case.
"Mueller issued the stand-down order to Acosta under the Bush regime. My gut instinct: the cover-up of Prince Andrew
and the open border cartel human/narco/Weapons smuggling was driving Bush, owned by the Koch's and Brits and the rest of
the coverup was the Dims. Both are globalists."
All that cover-up occurred during BushCo with Mueller involved up to his eyes. The amount of dirt and dead bodies covered
by this is likely quite large and implicates Current Oligarchy actors.
2.
What evidence is there that Mueller, as FBI Director, would have issued such a stand-down order to U.S. Attorney Acosta?
Wouldn't it have been much more likely to have come from AG Mukasey or his deputy? (Who was the Deputy AG then?)
3.
As Cernovich notes:
"Cy Vance – Democrat, gave Epstein a pass on sex offender status.
Acosta – Republican, approved plea deal.
Muller – Republican, signed off on FBI closing file on Epstein.
Schumer – Took money from Epstein.
Bill Clinton – Travel.
This isn't partisan. Corruption at all levels."
What's good is that most people commenting on the threads understand just how deep the rot goes and that it's not confined
to North America.
"... Bill's close association with this t--d raises questions in light of his Marc Rich pardon caper. ..."
"... I suspect that he is an asset of some foreign government and handled their money as Rich did. ..."
"... I believe you are on to something. At least Marc Rich was an oil trader. With Epstein there doesn't seem to be any information on his trading activity. ..."
"... I suppose his role was not money management but blackmail or something more nefarious. Could this foreign government be our "staunchest ally" in the ME? ..."
"... The prediction here is that Epstein will offer to cooperate sooner rather than later. It would not surprise me at all if hasn't already been given the opportunity and wanted to wait to see what cards the government was holding, try to figure out who from his old team had turned and were witnesses against him. ..."
"... A big question now is that if and when he does cooperate, what kind of corroborative materials he would be able to bring along with him to bolster the victim testimony which will be recollections of abuse from women when they were adolescents that happened quite a while ago. ..."
"... if you ask around the trading desk in nyc Epstein and his org is unknown. how is it a billionaire finance guy is unknown on the trading desks? ..."
"... his fortune did not come from trading or investment or anything typically understood to be finance related. ..."
"... perhaps epstein and his sexual predilections was a way for....say... the mossad........ to aggregate wealthy powerful and political figures into revealing the stuff needed to control them in the future as favors are needed. ..."
"... Nobody knows what Epstein is really worth. The $billions figure comes from a single source; a stipulation in his original trial. He would say what his worth was and the prosecutors asked "$billions?" and E's lawyers said "sure". That's it ..."
"... The guy is a sleazy con artist. He's probably happy to have people think he has way more than he does for various reasons. ..."
"... Some will recall the name "mega" surfacing during and after the Pollard contretemps. An as-yet unidentified Israeli spy operating at a high level. Now consider the following quote: ..."
"... "Epstein, who recently loaned his jet to President Clinton, is usually seen in the company of Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of deceased publishing tycoon Robert Maxwell. After Maxwell fell or was pushed off his yacht in 1991, it was revealed that he was working for the Israeli government and the Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence service ..."
"... While Maxwell's ties to the Mossad are well-documented, Epstein's connections are less well known. The London Sunday Times quoted a New York social observer describing Epstein as follows: "He's Mr. Enigmatic. Nobody knows whether he's a concert pianist, property developer, a CIA agent, a math teacher or a member of Mossad." New York Magazine claims Epstein is the man who moves Wexner's billions around the globe. ..."
"... Wexner's philanthropic side is more public. In 1998, the Wall Street Journal reported that Wexner was part of the "'Mega Group,' a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation's wealthiest and most influential Jewish businessmen." The Mega Group meets purportedly to discuss "philanthropy," but others have speculated that their charitable interests are often a cover for lobbying activities on behalf of Israel." ..."
"... The link optimax provides below (and reproduced here ) to an EIR (LaRouche) piece on "Mega" is very interesting. It pulls a lot of this together and seems to be the main source for your linked article. The title quote; "'Mega' was not an agent, Mega was the boss" refers to the NYC-based Mega Group of Jewish billionaires (incl. Wexner) who actually run the show. Epstein's operation looks to me like an subsidiary SPV to manufacture kompromat, as you say. ..."
"... The EIR piece is frustratingly lacking in links/citations, but the crucial one backing up this quote does check out (link below). I have taken the liberty of saving it into the Internet Archive in case it now 'disappears' due to the publicity. The author refers to Mega Group as "the Megabucks" and describes an interesting twist on the traditional Mossad-run Z0G narrative. He asserts that they are actually out for themselves and influence/buy politics in Israeli every bit as much as in the US to further their own ends. Israel to them is merely a useful too ..."
"... EIR quotes the WSJ article (paywall) saying Wexner and Charles Bronfman founded the Mega Group in 1991. Charles' brother; Edgar Bronfman is also listed as a member. I came across someone on reddit ) saying that Hillary basically handed over Libya to the Bronfmans. Edgar's daughter Sara and her husband; Basit Igtet ( http://basitigtet.com) appear to have run the coup (see their wikis on Libya). Basit is coincidentally chairman of an energy co. now looking to exploit Libyan oil and apparently had/has ambitions to become president. ..."
"... It may be antisemitic to characterize Jews as power-hungry money-obsessed world dominators, but this group sure seem to fit the characterization rather well. ..."
"... There's more about the Mega Group in this LaRouche website before 9/11. I know, LaRouche had some crazy ideas but this article is well referenced and jibes with other sources. Seymour Hersh claimed Epstein was Mossad. ..."
The Twitter stream linked up-thread by rho seems plausible as a description of the
"business model" of his "hedge fund." Here's the link again for convenience:
Would a foreign govt really utilize someone with Epstein's life style to handle their
money? The guy doesn't exactly fly under the radar. It was only a matter of time before he was
busted. Seems highly irresponsible and stupid of whichever government(s).
I believe you are on to something. At least Marc Rich was an oil trader. With Epstein
there doesn't seem to be any information on his trading activity.Would a foreign government or intelligence agency keep a
depraved loose cannon as an asset? I suppose his role was not money management but blackmail or something more
nefarious. Could this foreign government be our "staunchest ally" in the ME?
We haven't seen anything yet of which I'm aware to allow for a determination of what led
to Epstein's serial abuses getting revisited. I very much doubt that it was a political
appointee new to the system who came into the job while harboring a determination to right a
wrong if given the chance. I think it more likely that it's a bottom up initiative, a witness
having developed as a result of having gotten jammed up in another case and offering up a
bigger fish, a newspaper story, new victims coming to light as a result of civil process, the
review process prior to releasing the disclosure materials triggering outrage, something
along these orders. Whatever it was, once the case was underway, in the era of #MeToo and
with new political appointees in place, there would be no stopping it.
It will be interesting to see who will be the ultimate targets. It was a travesty that in the
original case Epstein was the only person charged, unless I missed something. It's obvious
that there had been a facilitating organization that he was running and boatloads of cash
coming and going. No curiosity about that?
The prediction here is that Epstein will offer to cooperate sooner rather than later. It
would not surprise me at all if hasn't already been given the opportunity and wanted to wait
to see what cards the government was holding, try to figure out who from his old team had
turned and were witnesses against him.
A big question now is that if and when he does cooperate, what kind of corroborative
materials he would be able to bring along with him to bolster the victim testimony which will
be recollections of abuse from women when they were adolescents that happened quite a while
ago.
The indictment forecloses on any opportunity to use Epstein actively; and what kind of deal
do you offer to this guy anyway who right now appears to be the principal malefactor in order
to get to others, culpable users of his scheme surely, but not integral to his organization
per se, largely because they are newsworthy figures of one sort or another. Not an easy call,
but I would argue Epstein should take a major hit even if it means risking not getting his
cooperation.
"We haven't seen anything yet of which I'm aware to allow for a determination of what led
to Epstein's serial abuses getting revisited."
An important figure pushing for the re-opening of the case is Mike Cernovich. He along
with Breitbart are the main cheerleaders for the conviction -- the draining of the swamp.
They
are Trump's mouthpieces who talk directly to his base. I believe the Trump admin is
completely supporting the re-trial.
AG Barr's father had to leave the posh school where he
had worked as a principal for a decade, soon after he employed college dropout Epstein as a
Math teacher.
The guy who replaced Barr Sr was a pedo (perhaps appointed with Epstein) and
left under a cloud. I think there is some personal revenge angle here as well.
if you ask around the trading desk in nyc Epstein and his org is unknown. how is it a
billionaire finance guy is unknown on the trading desks?
answer:
because his fortune did not come from trading or investment or anything typically
understood to be finance related.
perhaps epstein and his sexual predilections was a way for....say... the mossad........ to
aggregate wealthy powerful and political figures into revealing the stuff needed to control
them in the future as favors are needed.
whats is a service like that IF epstein was indeed just a pimp for the
deviant.........worth?
how many billions to have a file on a who's who of international power would you pay?
Nobody knows what Epstein is really worth. The $billions figure comes from a single
source; a stipulation in his original trial. He would say what his worth was and the
prosecutors asked "$billions?" and E's lawyers said "sure". That's it.
He manages money held in off-shore accounts. Forbes thinks he has a fraction of that.
The guy is a sleazy con artist. He's probably happy to have people think he has way more
than he does for various reasons.
Pollard was an amateur. Is Epstein the professional?
Some will recall the name "mega" surfacing during and after the Pollard contretemps. An
as-yet unidentified Israeli spy operating at a high level. Now consider the following quote:
"Epstein, who recently loaned his jet to President Clinton, is usually seen in the company
of Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of deceased publishing tycoon Robert Maxwell. After Maxwell
fell or was pushed off his yacht in 1991, it was revealed that he was working for the Israeli
government and the Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence service.
While Maxwell's ties to the Mossad are well-documented, Epstein's connections are less well known. The London Sunday
Times quoted a New York social observer describing Epstein as follows: "He's Mr. Enigmatic.
Nobody knows whether he's a concert pianist, property developer, a CIA agent, a math teacher
or a member of Mossad." New York Magazine claims Epstein is the man who moves Wexner's
billions around the globe.
Wexner's philanthropic side is more public. In 1998, the Wall Street Journal reported that
Wexner was part of the "'Mega Group,' a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation's
wealthiest and most influential Jewish businessmen." The Mega Group meets purportedly to
discuss "philanthropy," but others have speculated that their charitable interests are often
a cover for lobbying activities on behalf of Israel."
This could be entirely coincidental. Or is Epstein (or Wexner) mega? It sure looks like
his operation was all about getting kompromat for Mossad. Whether that comes out with any
veracity remains to be seen.
The link optimax provides below (and reproduced here ) to an EIR (LaRouche) piece
on "Mega" is very interesting. It pulls a lot of this together and seems to be the main
source for your linked article. The title quote; "'Mega' was not an agent, Mega was the boss"
refers to the NYC-based Mega Group of Jewish billionaires (incl. Wexner) who actually run the
show. Epstein's operation looks to me like an subsidiary SPV to manufacture kompromat, as you
say.
The EIR piece is frustratingly lacking in links/citations, but the crucial one backing up
this quote does check out (link below). I have taken the liberty of saving it into the
Internet Archive in case it now 'disappears' due to the publicity. The author refers to Mega
Group as "the Megabucks" and describes an interesting twist on the traditional Mossad-run Z0G
narrative. He asserts that they are actually out for themselves and influence/buy politics in
Israeli every bit as much as in the US to further their own ends. Israel to them is merely a
useful tool. From the article:
" Israel for them is only a means to Jewish unity, on a par with the Holocaust
propaganda. The idea is to keep Jews together, away from hanging with other folks. The heads
of the American Jewish community need it, as they have a fair chance to find themselves
without soldiers, all chiefs, and no Indians. "
EIR quotes the WSJ article (paywall) saying Wexner and
Charles Bronfman founded the Mega Group in 1991. Charles' brother; Edgar Bronfman is also
listed as a member. I came across someone on reddit
) saying that Hillary basically handed over Libya to the Bronfmans. Edgar's daughter Sara and
her husband; Basit Igtet ( http://basitigtet.com) appear to have run the coup (see their
wikis on Libya). Basit is coincidentally chairman of an energy co. now looking to exploit
Libyan oil and apparently had/has ambitions to become president.
It may be antisemitic to characterize Jews as power-hungry money-obsessed world
dominators, but this group sure seem to fit the characterization rather well.
There's more about the Mega Group in this LaRouche website before 9/11. I know, LaRouche
had some crazy ideas but this article is well referenced and jibes with other sources. Seymour Hersh claimed Epstein was Mossad. https://larouchepub.com/other/2001/2833mega_spy.html
"... Third, if the legalities are any obstacle at all, the fact that the CIA's legal remit is for foreign intelligence matters. How and why the CIA works domestically needs to be explained. If the agency is supposed to be Mossad, how the Mossad can expect impunity needs to be explained, not assumed on the grounds International Jewry secretly rules the world. ..."
"... Ransacking the biographies is a lot of sampling. The more sampling the more random correlations can be made, which is not, not, not the same as demonstrating causal connections. Causal connections is what justifies saying a model is correct. ..."
"... Robert Maxwell was a Mossad agent. He was assassinated in a slick Mossad operation but did get the Jerusalem burial that he so coveted. He biggest contribution to Zionism- achieved with the complicity of Mrs Thatcher- was his facilitation of the mass emigration of Russian Jews to Israel. ..."
"... Ghislaine and Jeffrey make a fascinatingly suspect couple. Vast wealth acquired nefariously, the manipulation of power through contrived sexuality, the cultivation of social elites, and an inviolable sense of exceptionalism. And in the background, only darkness. There's bound to be some kind of intelligence agency connection there somewhere. Methinks that Ghislaine's role as pimp was quite creative. ..."
"... Think recent Epstein news may be part of plan to impeach Trump or worse, JFK Trump. CIA/Mossad asset Epstein was/is working with Mueller. ..."
"... Acosta was put in his current position to further link Trump admin to Epstein story. Don McGhan, the most cited person in the Mueller report according to Wikipedia was the person who recommended Acosta for his current job ..."
"... Trump, Macron, Obama, May, Blair, Bush, the Clintons, Pelosi, Walker, and all too many more are the manifestations of the evil spoken of above. And there is no God for them to fear; so, they must be taught to fear their fellow humans who must decide to no longer abide their behavior ..."
"... list of evidence, sensible account, explain impunity, explain relationship Epstein to agencies , demonstrate facts support the proposition by: steven t johnson @ 66 <=thanks ..."
"... Now this story will run into 2020 largely damaging democrats into the 2020 election. Trump's DOJ is running the operation. My question is will creepy Joe Biden figure into this? Those videos with his hands all over other people children are beyond weird and creepy. ..."
Those who want to go all medieval with the lurid fantasies about invincible conspiracies
of sexually depraved people who enjoy killing, be it Jews or witches, should at least get
modern.
First, blackmail evidence doesn't have to be tapes (Betamax? VHS?) or DVDs. It can be
semen stained sheets, used condoms thrown into the waste basket, pubic hairs and possibly a
child who passes the paternity test. The disappearance of this evidence needs to be accounted
for. If it was never collected
Second, there needs to be a sensible account of where and when this blackmail evidence is
stored and how the approach is made. The usual thing so far as I can tell is the use of
lawyers. Intermediaries with legal privilege are invaluable. In particular, if Epstein is
supposedly an extortionist for some intelligence agency, it is the agency which will have the
materials, not Epstein.
Third, if the legalities are any obstacle at all, the fact that the CIA's legal remit
is for foreign intelligence matters. How and why the CIA works domestically needs to be
explained. If the agency is supposed to be Mossad, how the Mossad can expect impunity needs
to be explained, not assumed on the grounds International Jewry secretly rules the
world.
Fourth, in either case, someone needs to explain what Epstein is doing for these agencies
with all this stuff. The great problem here is not just proving that none of these
politicians are doing things they don't already want to do. The implicit idea that they would
suffer somehow by an independent policy is enough of a stretch. You have to show the
extortion is necessary to achieve whatever the alleged goal is, so vital to success the risk
of provoking the enmity of wealthy and powerful people, or getting caught at it, must be
taken.
Fifth and most important, all these propositions and other "facts" need to be demonstrated
strongly enough to rule out, or at least compete with alternative explanations. For a single
example, to make much of Epstein teaching at the Dalton School you should have an idea how
often uncertified teachers worked at the Dalton School, how important the right social
background (as in recommendations from influential figures,) is for their hiring and not
least how long Epsteing even worked at Dalton.
News reports demonstrate very little about complex propositions. Even simple facts that
aren't verified by scrutiny from different parties can be unreliable. Generally the best
thing is to rely on evidence that is actually sound enough to introduce in court without
being blasted apart by an attorney.
In a complex proposition, which can be view as a proposed model, the probability of the
whole model being correct equals the probability of the least likely new element. The
difficulty there is that the probability of any given element---such as the likelihood of
Barr's father getting Epstein a job and this establishing a meaningful connect between Barr's
son and Epstein---depends on the amount of sampling. Ransacking the biographies is a lot
of sampling. The more sampling the more random correlations can be made, which is not, not,
not the same as demonstrating causal connections. Causal connections is what justifies saying
a model is correct.
Robert Maxwell was a Mossad agent. He was assassinated in a slick Mossad operation but
did get the Jerusalem burial that he so coveted. He biggest contribution to Zionism- achieved
with the complicity of Mrs Thatcher- was his facilitation of the mass emigration of Russian
Jews to Israel. There is even a "6 degrees of difference" association between Maxwell
and Bin Laden, but that requires research.
Ghislaine and Jeffrey make a fascinatingly suspect couple. Vast wealth acquired
nefariously, the manipulation of power through contrived sexuality, the cultivation of social
elites, and an inviolable sense of exceptionalism. And in the background, only darkness.
There's bound to be some kind of intelligence agency connection there somewhere. Methinks
that Ghislaine's role as pimp was quite creative.
Alexander Acosta, the US labor secretary under fire for having granted Jeffrey Epstein
immunity from federal prosecution in 2008, after the billionaire was investigated for
having run a child sex trafficking ring, is proposing 80% funding cuts for the
government agency that combats child sex trafficking .
Acosta's plan to slash funding of a critical federal agency in the fight against the
sexual exploitation of children is contained in his financial plans for the Department of
Labor for fiscal year 2020. In it, he proposes decimating the resources of a section of
his own department known as the International Labor Affairs Bureau (ILAB) .
Think recent Epstein news may be part of plan to impeach Trump or worse, JFK Trump.
CIA/Mossad asset Epstein was/is working with Mueller.
Acosta was put in his current position to further link Trump admin to Epstein story.
Don McGhan, the most cited person in the Mueller report according to Wikipedia was the person
who recommended Acosta for his current job .
Appears Trump may be on the other end of someone-else's maximum pressure campaign after
balking on Iran.
The thread before this one was about Russia, and I just now made a
comment saying that in my view, not all intelligence services throughout the world or
throughout history have been degraded in the way that out western agencies appear very
clearly to be.
I made the claim that the service which Putin led was one with a culture of honor and
uprightness in its institutional fiber, which explains much about how he came to be leader of
his nation.
One could look at the almost unthinkably corrupt and degenerate "leaders" in the west and
surmise much about their intelligence services.
~~
In some ways this is an interesting thread but in others an unsatisfactory one because the
team is still performing forensics on the situation. I'm reading you and rooting for you, but
otherwise have nothing to offer.
It's a dirty business being dissected here. But it's a necessary dissection. I offered a
glimpse of honor and morality just to keep up the spirits of the team.
There is a thick layer of something very bad in the world, and it intends nothing good for
children. To destroy one's own children seems to me the ultimate decadence. One hopes that
the future holds the massive revealing of this layer. And that the global mind of humanity
will change from this.
Please, don't mis-construe this as exculpating the culpable. Simply, that awareness is the
beginning of change.
Your indictment immediately brought Dickens and the US Congress's 1926 vote allowing of
lead --a well known destroyer of youthful and adult brains at the time -- to be spewed all over
creation via the tailpipes of internal combustion engines; Rachael Carson and the trio of
Our Stolen Future authors all to mind. Sadly, there are many more. I'm currently
taking a course about Trauma; and it's the criminally immoral trauma children are subjected
to that rightfully resurrected debsisdead.
To put an end to most such trauma, the systems of unaccountable power must be
eviscerated-- All of Them , Clerical included. Someone up the thread alluded to the
fact that most children are raped via corporations and are born with their own a priori
trauma, pollution being universally ubiquitous. All of the above is the main reason I
vehemently oppose the status quo, attempt to educate people about its evils, and work for its
demise. I believe that all here at the MoA bar share that goal--except the trolls. I wonder
if the trolls understand just how morally compromised they are through their support of evil,
if they have children who're already carrying their own trauma which will afflict them
sometime if they live long enough.
Trump, Macron, Obama, May, Blair, Bush, the Clintons, Pelosi, Walker, and all too many
more are the manifestations of the evil spoken of above. And there is no God for them to
fear; so, they must be taught to fear their fellow humans who must decide to no longer abide
their behavior .
list of evidence, sensible account, explain impunity, explain relationship Epstein to
agencies , demonstrate facts support the proposition by: steven t johnson @ 66
<=thanks
KC@73 thinks running Epstein as Charles Augustus Milverton isn't a black op. I do. CIA
agents helping the FBI get around domestic laws on intelligence gathering isn't the same
thing at all, even if deplorable. Turning pretty much all US nationals abroad they can into
assets is also deplorable, but still not the same. by: steven t johnson @ 83
After years of study and many many books I believe the Mossad and CIA are one and the
same. The Mossad is very useful when leaving sovereign footprints is verboten--and vice
versa. by: last day of grace @ 79
the interests of American, British, Israeli and other nations' intelligence agencies are
surely so entwined that picking them apart is impossible. One thing for sure though: none of
them serve the interests of the nations they supposedly work for. Posted by: Jen @ 80
awareness is the beginning of change. by: Grieved @ 116
In my opinion Grieved captured the essence.. if you are human then you will rebel that a
poor sap holds up a liquor store for $100 to buy his girl friend a fix, gets 10 years, but
the Intelligence agencies, kill millions, to pay bastards like those mentioned here millions
and promote to President people none of us would want to be associated with, and provides
life of Riley status to scum with get out of jail free cards.. BS.. we humans are better than
animals. where is our pride, where is our humanity, I say get the prosecutors that do not
imprison these low life for eternity.. blame the prosecutors.. and leave the victims and the
perpetrators alone.. get the prosecutors make them do their job.. concentrate on that and
that alone..
The left is going wild thinking that this will "get Trump" but quite the opposite is
happening. It appears to me to be a "limited hang out" of an operation that has lost its
usefulness long ago. It surfaced during the election to damage the Clinton's but did not
receive widespread acclaim.
Now this story will run into 2020 largely damaging democrats into the 2020 election.
Trump's DOJ is running the operation. My question is will creepy Joe Biden figure into this?
Those videos with his hands all over other people children are beyond weird and
creepy.
Trump and some of the other socialites dumped Maxwell and Epstein after finding out what
was going on. That is part of the record. The anti-goyim activists that own much of the
mainstream media will trim the record accordingly as Trump appears to be their boy. They do
not need to blackmail him.
The true sponsors of the operation will be left out of the mainstream accounts and the
focus will be on the salacious details of sex with whomever and little girls. The "limited
hang out" will bolster Trumps election opportunities into 2020. Once again, the Left will be
Left with unconsumed egg on their faces. Like the idiots they are, they are driven by their
hate and their ideology and not by intelligence, understanding, and facts.
This is a great opportunity to understand how the world works behind the scenes, use
it.
One reason he was able to bargain and got light sentence was his connection with
intelligence. There were diplomats even high ranking officials, foreign dignitaries attending
his special party and service. He had a trump card with several videos. More likely he is an
Israeli Asset.
see, not even a speed bump. A slight slow down before everyone gets back to where they were,
continuing the exploitation of these once children to further their own ends. With Trump,
Clinton and the Windsor creep, their 'excuse' was that their innate instinct to spread their
genes has become corrupted - no doubt as punishment for all their good works.
I dunno how anyone who has parented a daughter - no matter how long ago, can reduce this
story down to dispassionate elements such as "Its mossad" or "no it aint, its those decadent
brits/the cia/kgb blah blah". I think most of us know that 'it' could be any/all of the
above.
Given the probably correct supposition that today's exploitation hasn't resulted in even a
minor jism rush, what is the justification?
It's capitalism/communism/fascism?
I'll say it again. It doesn't matter what story about the forces behind this is portrayed
as the truth, bugger-all is going to happen as long as the issue is which crooked pol took
money from which crooked banker, or which two bit amerikan owned ME colony put the pimp up to
kidnapping children and perverting them.
Insult to injury in addition to getting anally raped, at least one of these 11 year old
girls then had to put up with a shouting match between Edelstein and a US prez about who had
'the right to take her virginity'
Deep down, even if they won't even admit it to themselves people already know that all
pols are crooks, just as they know israel and saudi are a pair of manipulative pseudo-states
run by corrupt asshats prepared to fight their indigenous population down to the last remnant
of nato cannon-fodder.
As long as the issue is about allegedly omnipotent remote figures, everyone will shrug
their shoulders and say "Yuk! - that's what you get eh, anyway I better get back to putting
food on the table,"
On the other hand if ordinary humans are presented with the story of 11 year old girls
being snatched off the street outside a pizza joint while mom is inside ordering the evening
meal, the story stops being remote and becomes something so real they desperately search
around to make sure the all young girls in their family are safe.
Do that while making sure the initial victims are adequately protected from thugs and
exploitative 'journalists' and many many more victims will appear creating a situation mass
media cannot 'massage' or ignore.
Another example of Occam's Razor? The thing that makes the most sense in a complex situation
is probably the right answer. Seems like Epstein, a world class pimp, sexual predator and
bagman for Mysterious Moneymen has been teed up this time to snare Trumptard, to sing a song
or compose one (as they say in interrogation rooms) on the uncontrollable narcissist.
Epstein and the Unmentionables were protected by the Cuban-American hack malpracticer
Acosta in Fla. The message today to Epstein is: You are not protected this time unless... Do
not be surprised to hear one day before too long that Epstein is swimming with the fishes,
not unlike the fate met by Robert Maxwell (father of Epstein's Number 1 recruiter and
gatekeeper of his secrets).
The Mystery Men can always find another pimp and bagman on the dirty boulevard.
Former Palm Beach County state's attorney, Barry Krischer, says that Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta's account of a 2008 plea
arrangement his office cut with pedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein is
"completely
wrong,"
and
that Acosta "
should
not be allowed to rewrite history,"
according
to a Wednesday statement by Krischer.
Earlier in the day Acosta held a
press
conference
in which he
vehemently
defended
the deal to serve just 13 months in county jail - saying that Krischer would have let Epstein walk otherwise.
"Simply put, the Palm Beach State Attorney's Office was willing to let Epstein walk free. No jail time. Nothing," said Acosta.
"Prosecutors in my former office found this to be completely unacceptable, and we became involved."
Not true
says Krischer - who said that Acosta abandoned a 53-page federal indictment "
after
secret negotiations between Mr. Epstein's lawyers and Mr. Acosta,
" according to
The
Hill
.
READ IT HERE: Former Palm Beach (FL) State Atty Barry Krischer challenges Acosta's characterization
of why Acosta pursued a plea deal for Epstein: "I can emphatically state that Mr. Acosta's
recollection of this matter is completely wrong."
The Miami U.S. Attorney's Office had prepared a federal indictment against Epstein, but it was never filed. Acosta has
also faced criticism for failing to disclose the plea deal to Epstein's victims, something he said would have
jeopardized the agreement.
Krischer downplayed his office's role in the eventual plea deal, and alleged the U.S. Attorney's Office abandoned its
federal indictment after "secret negotiations between Mr. Epstein's lawyers and Mr. Acosta."
"
If
Mr. Acosta was truly concerned with the State's case and felt he had to rescue the matter, he would have moved forward
with the 53-page indictment that his own office drafted
," Krischer said. -
The
Hill
That said, Palm Beach police told the
Miami
Herald
that they felt pressured by Krischer to downgrade Epstein's case to a misdemeanor or to drop it entirely
While Epstein has allegedly victimized up to
60
girls, many of them underage
according to the
Miami
Herald
, his sweetheart deal for just
two
counts of solocitation of prostitution
(one with a minor), and included
working
from his West Palm Beach office for as much as 12 hours a day
for up to
six
days a week.
He was also required to register as a sex offender, and was given immunity from federal prosecution.
Acosta avoided mentioning Krischer by name on Wednesday, referring only to the Palm Beach County state's attorney.
"Everything that the victims have gone through in these cases is horrific, and their response is entirely justified," said
Acosta. "At the same time, I think it's important to stand up for the prosecutors of my former office and make clear that
what they were trying to do was help these victims. They should not be portrayed as individuals that just didn't care."
Everything Acosta has said on the subject is a blatant lie. He, himself should be investigated,
then given a fair trial and, finally disemboweled along with Epstein and the entire Clinton
family.
Sorry, I've had two cups of coffee this morning. Was that a little too harsh?
boattrash
,
3 minutes ago
I'm sure that protecting the Clintons didn't play into the decision making.
Strawboss
,
4 minutes ago
Acosta is selling the idea that he didnt have a strong case and there was concern that they wouldnt
be able to win it in front of a jury...so they went along with a deal that included at least some
jail time...
I call ******** for 2 reasons.
Firstly - the victims deserve to have their day in court and to have our justice system fight for
them. Acosta wants us to believe that he is convinced that Epstein is dangerous and needed to be
locked up. IF that were true...why the **** didnt he take it to trial - put his best prosecutor on
it and fight for it with everything hes got? Thats what honorable people do in order to protect our
most vulnerable citizens. You fight for whats right.
Secondly - I cant decide whether its corruption that led to the sweetheart deal (secret payoffs or
maybe Epstein had dirt on Acosta...who knows...) OR...its a problem with our current system where
prosecutors only bring cases that are slam dunks because they want their record to show a 99%
conviction rate (mostly plea deals) so when they later go into public office - they have their
resume already padded...
**** Acosta. He even looks and talks slimy...
Put him and Epstein in a cell with Bubba and T-bone...after we have extracted all the confessions
from Epstein about who all was raping kids.
These sick fuckers need to just die. They need to be exterminated - like cockroaches. Or rats...
They are a clear and present danger to the national security of our country.
swmnguy
,
5 minutes ago
Nice try, Acosta. But nobody is criticizing the other attorneys in your former office. Everybody
is criticizing YOU. You Personally.
I wonder who Acosta is really protecting, and who is continuing to protect Acosta. Epstein and
Trump aren't wealthy or important enough to merit this level of protection, going back decades.
There's way more to this, which we'll probably never see.
Fishthatlived
,
47 seconds ago
"They're" criticizing him to deflect blame. The DOJ ran this.
Anunnaki
,
5 minutes ago
Acosta even looks like a ******* loser. Cut your losses Orange Jewlius. No one cares about Secy of
Labor. He means nothing but is becoming a millstone.
dont let that gas bag Pelousy and the rest of the perverted Dem hypocrites keep gaslighting you.
ZekeSwampZombie
,
5 minutes ago
It's obvious Epstein is being protected because he is an "intelligence" apparatchik. What a joke
this world is.
Roger Ramjet
,
5 minutes ago
The truth will be found by following the money. Follow the money!
Sofa King Confused
,
4 minutes ago
Hang Acosta right next to Epstein !!
More-Cowbell
,
6 minutes ago
Swamp that drain, swamp that drain.
takeaction
,
5 minutes ago
Just my thoughts....
What I don't understand is that the MSM is running with this story. Yet they are not mentioning who
is involved.....they keep trying to drag Trump into it with all kinds of twists, but I don't think
he is involved. He may have "almost" got involved, but I think he saw what was going on and said
"Screw you guys, this is going to bite you in the ***".....so with the planes logs of Bill Clinton
being on the plane 27 times, and the Black Book showing so many famous people involved, I think that
the prosecutors in this case are just letting it build, and then BOOM. They will flip Epstein for a
lighter sentence and many many many people go down.
These 2 paeopple bother me....I don't understand how Pelosi's daughter keeps coming up, and then
Comey's daughter is one of the prosecutors in this case. Many this swamp is deep.
Anunnaki
,
7 minutes ago
Why isn't Ghislaine Maxwell arrested? Sick of (((Amish))) exceptionalism.
bigdumbnugly
,
12 minutes ago
apparently Epstein's crimes don't rise to the level of what i got for rolling through a stop sign
last month.
ScreaminLib
,
9 minutes ago
Yeah, but you're not Jewish nor are you an Israeli blackmail agent so there's that.
DudleyjouWrite
,
10 minutes ago
Bullshid "apartheid-state-of-Israel" psychos' political propaganda(?)
19 hours ago - In the
Netanyahu
-Barak
mudslinging over Jeffrey
Epstein
, the
real winner is . The arrest of Jeffrey
Epstein
shortly
after Ehud Barak announced that he was returning to Israeli political life was a much-needed lucky
break for Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu
. ...
Spearheading the ...
WHATDIFFERENCEDOESITMAKE
,
9 minutes ago
Acosta would have been a dead man if he so bolden himself to move forward. That's the facts mame!
Fishthatlived
,
15 minutes ago
The DOJ ran this case. Their embarrassment is what you are seeing now.
notfeelinthebern
,
14 minutes ago
Everything under Obama was a sham. Including everything about him.
Rusticus2.0
,
8 minutes ago
The deal was cut by the Bush DOJ but don't let facts get in the way.
Fishthatlived
,
6 minutes ago
True. Robert Mueller's FBI.
Anunnaki
,
10 minutes ago
In James Patterson's book Filthy Rich, Acosta was intimidated by Epstein's legal team of Roy Black,
Ken Starr and Allen Douchewitz.
The Douche had harvested some of the girls' raunchy posts from their Myspace pages and was
vociferously attacking their character.
Acosta, the ****, lost his nerve and cut and run
PanApollo
,
12 minutes ago
There is so much more to this whole case; Mossad, CIA are just a couple that comes to mind. The
"Dome of the Rock Temple" on Little St. James Island is too convenient and an eyesore. This hole
charade is playing out like a movie. It is as if "all the world's a stage, and we are merely
players," but most of us are just spectators.
44magnum
,
2 minutes ago
yes, and they make us pay for the tickets
notfeelinthebern
,
13 minutes ago
The average person would not know what to make of anything anymore. Clearly, some evil forces are at
work from behind the scenes but just who is the force is, is impossible to ascertain. Lawyers are
ALL ******* weasels - Hillary and Bill being primary examples.
I watched the clip later, and was a bit pissed when Mr Acosta disregarded a legitimate question
about Epstein being used by a foreign agency as "going down a rabbit hole".
In that piece, I shared many lesser known, but extremely bizarre facts about Jeffrey Epstein and the people around him.
I also noted that it appeared his real job was to run a blackmail operation to ensnare some of the most wealthy and
powerful people on earth. I alluded to the possibility that he was collecting this priceless information on behalf of a
third party, and then just today we learn the following
via
the
Daily
Beast
:
"Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?" Acosta had been asked. Acosta had
explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he'd had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He'd cut the
non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein's attorneys because he had "been told" to back off, that Epstein was above
his pay grade.
"I
was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone,"
he told his interviewers in the Trump
transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor
Department had no comment when asked about this.)...
For almost two decades, for some nebulous reason, whether to do with ties to foreign intelligence, his billions of
dollars, or his social connections, Epstein, whose alleged sexual sickness and horrific assaults on women without
means or ability to protect themselves is well-known in his circle, remained untouchable.
It should be noted the reason I attach credibility to the above is based on who wrote it, Vicky Ward. She has an
extensive history of digging into Epstein, and wrote one of the
earliest
profiles
on him back in 2003. As she notes in today's article:
I
spent
many months on his trail in 2002 for Vanity Fair
and discovered not only that he was not who he claimed to be
professionally, but also that he had allegedly assaulted two young sisters, one of whom had been underage at the
time. Very bravely, they were prepared to go on the record. They were afraid he'd use all his influence to discredit
them -- and their fear turned out to be legitimate.
As the article was being readied for publication, Epstein made a visit to the office of Vanity Fair's then-editor,
Graydon Carter, and suddenly the women and their allegations were removed from the article.
"He's sensitive
about the young women," Carter told me at the time. (Editor's Note: Carter has previously denied this allegation.)
He also mentioned he'd finagled a photograph of Epstein in a swimsuit out of the encounter. And there was also some
feeble excuse about the article "being stronger as a business story." (Epstein had also leaned heavily on my
ex-husband's uncle,
Conrad
Black
, to try to exert his influence on me, which was particularly unwelcome, given that Black happened to be my
ex-husband's boss at the time.)
Many people had assumed Epstein was untouchable merely because he had so much dirt on so many powerful people, but it
increasingly looks far bigger than that.
It
appears he may have been untouchable because he was systematically collecting this information on behalf of an
intelligence agency.
If so, we need to find out precisely who he was working for.
This should be the number one story in the country right now. Blackmail at this level is a genuine national security
issue.
If we can somehow get to the bottom of Epstein I suspect we'll learn a lot about how the world
of the powerful really works, and why everything is so fked and corrupt.
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ZD1
,
1 minute ago
Multiple Democrat socialists have been involved in child sex scandals over the years.
Democratic Seattle Mayor Ed Murray resigned after more allegations of child sexual abuse
surfaced after a fifth allegation of child sexual abuse surfaced -- this time from a
family member.
Anthony Weiner? The ex-husband to Hillary Clinton's top aide Huma Abedin had a long
history of sexual misconduct. Weiner became involved in an online sexual relationship
with a 15-year-old girl. Weiner pleaded guilty to transferring obscene material to a
minor.
Jacob Schwartz, 29, was an up-and-coming young Democrat who worked on New York City
Mayor Bill de Blasio's staff until he was arrested in on child *********** charges in
which he allegedly kept more than 3,000 images and 89 videos of pornographic acts
committed by children.
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) was on trial facing federal corruption charges, which
started in 2012 over allegations that he and another man were having sex with underage
prostitutes.
Convicted sex offender and longtime friend of former Democratic President Bill Clinton,
Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, was accused in January in a federal lawsuit of luring a woman
into "his elaborate sex trafficking enterprise," the Daily Mail reported. "The lawsuit
alleges that Epstein had a compulsive sexual preference for little girls as young as
13-years-old."
The co-owners of
backpage.com
,
a website allegedly directly linked to child prostitution and trafficking, gave lots of
money to Democrats recently, including donations to:
David Garcia -- a Democratic candidate for governor in Arizona
A political action committee backed by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
The Arizona State Democratic Executive Committee
The Colorado Democratic Party
The Democratic Party of New Mexico
Two separate donations to Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO)
Two separate donations to Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ)
Democratic Connecticut Councilman Scott Chamberlain was forced to step down after
photographs of him allegedly emerged on a private website for "furries," a weird
subculture of people who dress up in furry costumes for sexual gratification.
Here's a bombshell for you- Whatever they discover, the mainstream media won't report
it.
Ban KKiller
,
7 minutes ago
Compromising elected officials? This is a time honored system, isn't it? Gee, who does
that kind of thing? My oh my!
**** this ****. I voted to blow the place up.
Captain Archer
,
58 seconds ago
I imagine the intellegence agencies spend half their time ******* with each other.
DarthVaderMentor
,
18 minutes ago
To find out whether Epstein was working for or even associated with anyone in the US or UK
Intelligence Community should be a trivial task for the DOJ. The question is whether the Trump DOJ
has the political will to investigate this and whether they would make the resulting answer public
knowledge or not. So far, Trump's DOJ hasn't shown much backbone and hasn't really delivered for the
Trump constituency in other matters. let's face it, essentially
every
single
issue that Trump pandered to his base on when campaigning he has either
intentionally
thrown
the issue in a way that is
guaranteed
to
result in a loss or failed to prosecute the issue in the first place. He hasn't proven himself yet
when it comes to legal challenges.
IMHO, Epstein was assisted by some politician who threatened Acosta by using the intelligence
community as the reason to back off on Epstein. This would have been the perfectly natural excuse,
especially in the years just after 9/11.
I'm pretty sure that Trump had no "collusion" or helped Epstein in anyway. This is a golden
opportunity for Trump to really inflict damage to the "Deep State" he claims is against him. Let's
hope he actually gets someone in DOJ to DO SOMETHING. So far Barr, Durham, Horowitz and Huber
haven't done anything. Is it a matter of timing or is Trump not getting things done but putting up a
good show?
Although the Epstein affair is probably a huge Democratic exposure, I believe the Globalist RINOs of
the GOP and their mega donors are also involved here.
Wild Bill Steamcock
,
23 minutes ago
Is it then end, though? This is going in front of the Southern District of New York....they've
been fairly hostile toward Trump and have a vested interest in shielding these filthy democrat
cocksuckers.
I see this as a way to diffuse the bomb, sweep it away, and try to take a swipe at Trump all the
while.
I want this ****** and all of his associates and buddies to burn, but I'm not holding my breath
His last go-round with the law ended in a "NON-PROSECUTORIAL AGREEMENT" Let that sink in,
folks. He spent time in the COUNTY JAIL, with 12 hours of work time at his OFFICE, six days a
week and was taken back and forth by LIMO.
This guy is ******* garbage, and will weasel right out and fly off to some foreign destination
just like Roman Polanski
Wild Bill Steamcock
,
13 minutes ago
Anyone one else would've spent DECADES in PRISON, but this guy, a level 3 sex offender-
highest probability to re-offend, and he got a sweetheart deal of the millenium.
Question is, why?
jeff montanye
,
10 minutes ago
like imran awan, a mossad get out of jail free card? apparently meant more to g.w. bush
and obama than it does to trump.
Wild Bill Steamcock
,
5 minutes ago
That guy...there's some really dirty business there....not Mossad, I'm pretty sure
he's Pakistani ISI...those guys don't **** around
And these Presidents you've mentioned? None of them worth a ****
Wild Bill Steamcock
,
24 minutes ago
That smarmy lispy **** will walk. Just watch.
Pardero
,
16 minutes ago
If the trail leads to Mossad and Israel, Trump may be compelled to pardon him, lest the whole
ugly system be revealed. I imagine that a lot of sinister minds are scheming on ways to shut in
this blowout.
Wild Bill Steamcock
,
15 minutes ago
This guy will some how skip out and fly off to some country without an extradition agreement
with the US.
Jaded and cynical? Sure am.
jeff montanye
,
5 minutes ago
but don't forget that jonathan pollard spent thirty years in prison.
Wild Bill Steamcock
,
3 minutes ago
He was originally given a life sentence. Then released and sent to Israel. He's a
national hero over there
Equinox7
,
36 minutes ago
A Zionists, Jewish Moussad agent gathering information on US political leaders? Highly plausible
and highly possible.
I'm sick to death with these Zionist Christians and Jews screaming "anti semite" every time some
truthful statement with merit criticizes Israel.
Just today I saw some independent large tow truck owner riding around with the words "Trump,
Christian, God, Pro-Life, Israel" written on the large crane arm of the tow truck.
I am pro-Trump, a Christian, believer in God, Pro-Life, but I'm not pro-Israel. What in the Hell
does Israel have to do with the first four things written? I am pro-USA and proud US patriot. My
allegiance is to the country of my birth, which is the USA. I owe absolutely no allegiance to
Israel.
Those Zionist Jewish bastards murdered US service men on the USS Liberty on June 8th, 1967.
My brothers and sisters in Christ in the Southern Baptist and non denominational faiths have been
brainwashed to believe they should and must support Israel. That Israel shares our values and are
more Godly than the USA.
Really? Would it shock the Hell out of those brainwashed Christians to know that Israel openly
believes in and has no problem with abortion?
Would it shock the Hell out of those brainwashed, Zionist US Christians to know how intolerant the
Zionist Israelis are becoming toward Christian brothers and sisters in Israel?
We, in the US, hear all the time from these evangelical Zionist Christians the USA is an unGodly
nation that God will not allow to stand much longer, while God protects and watches over Israel.
What a misrepresentation of facts and truth.
With all that said, it is highly plausible and believable to conceive that a Jewish billionaire
pedophile, and close friend to the Clintons, is also a secret Moussad agent gathering blackmail
information on US political leaders and business leaders.
Equinox7
,
30 minutes ago
Your not going to sit there and attempt to change the narrative away from Israel. The Arab
Muslims are an entirely different issue. I have issues with Arab Muslims running around
trying to sever heads, stab people to death, and blow people up with explosives.
The issue is America's sick undevoted, unquestionable obsession with Israel.
PJBloggs
,
37 minutes ago
The elites control the politicians, judges, CEOs etc via paedophile rings for blackmail purposes.
POTUS Clinton may have given Epstein access to the Intel Community in order to employ a very complex
Black Mail OP! Why would a prosecutor with scads of evidence back off and give Epstein a slap on
the wrist? Clinton is the ONLY common denominator. NOT POTUS Trump! Trump was actually a
Whistleblower! Clinton and Epstein were partnered up! Epstein was protected by the Clinton Body
Count.
Jackprong
,
52 minutes ago
Former POTUS Clinton and Epstein were PARTNERS!
TheSharpenedPen
,
37 minutes ago
Yep, Epstein bragged that he was a cofounder of the corrupt Clinton Foundation.
Respect_The_Cock
,
51 minutes ago
Implications of the
"Chosen People" Myth | "Goyim Were Born Only to Serve Us"
Reading Yosef's remarks I also thought of Netanyahu's 2001 interview, leaked last July, in which
he frankly discussed his intention to ignore the Oslo Accords, continue settlements and launch a
"total assault" on the Palestinian Authority. When asked about a possible negative U.S.
reaction, he exclaimed: "Especially now, with America, I know what America is. America is a
thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. They will not bother us. Let's
suppose that [the Americans] will say something . . . so they say it Eighty per cent of the
Americans support us. It's
absurd!
We
have such support there! And we say what shall we do with this?" He was virtually
ridiculing
the
pathetic manipulability of the U.S. public and Congress.
And then there was that statement by former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon (also known as
the "butcher of Sabra and Shatila" due to his complicity in the annihilation of up to 3500
Palestinians refugees in Beirut during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982) to Foreign
Minister Shimon Peres in October 2001: "Every time we do something you tell me America will do
this and will do that I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American
pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
Last March Vice President Joe Biden visited Israel to pledge the U.S.'s undying loyalty to the
Jewish state. His message was that, despite President Obama's request -- based on U.S.
geostrategic interests -- that Israel freeze settlement on occupied Palestinian land, and
Israel's refusal to do so more than partially and temporarily, U.S. support would continue as
always. The Israeli Interior Ministry (headed by Shas Party member Eli Yishai) used the occasion
of the visit to announce the construction of 1,600 new homes for Jews in occupied East
Jerusalem. The insult was so brazen that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "condemned" the move
which she said "undermined trust and confidence in the peace process." Zionists responded with
their typical indignation. (The Anti-Defamation League called Clinton's remarks a "gross
overreaction" towards a "policy." Former New York City mayor Ed Koch accused Obama of wanting to
"make Israel into a pariah" and called Clinton's comments "outrageous.")
Then as Biden was addressing the Jewish Federations of North America two weeks ago assuring them
that U.S. support for Israel was "literally unbreakable," and would "continue forever," and
dismissing the recent rift as being "only tactical" in nature, Israel's cabinet announced
more
illegal
settlement housing construction plans.
Is all this mere chutzpah? Or is it the behavior of a true effendi? Is it not amazing that a
regime claiming to represent the Jews in Israel (under 0.01% of the total global human
population) or even all the Jews on the planet (under 0.02% of humankind) can boast of its
ability to arm-twist U.S. presidents? That officials in a country with a stagnant economy with
no raw materials dependent annually on two or three billion dollars in direct U.S. aid (matched
by private U.S. donors) to sustain a First World type living standard (for Jews if not for the
Palestinians in the occupied territories) can claim to "control America"? That it has been able
since 1972 to count on the U.S. to veto practically every UN resolution even mildly critical of
its behavior, often supported by all other member states except Israel itself?
Is it not amazing that such Zionists enjoy free license to provoke, thorough their occupations
and aggressions, the outrage of 1.57 billion Muslims (23% of the world's population), some of
whom predictably vent their rage on the U.S. as Israel's unconditional friend?
And is it not amazing that agents for Israel within AIPAC (Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman)
could spy in the U.S., obtain classified documents pertaining to Iran (which Israel demands the
U.S. bomb), get arrested by the FBI and charged with serious crimes in 2005, only to have all
charges dropped in 2009? Or that ranking Congresswoman Jane Harmon, who agreed to "waddle in" to
that case in an FBI-intercepted call with an Israeli agent, could escape any charges?
It could all be as simple as a wholly corrupt man taking advantage of all his corrupt connections.
There may be a foreign connection, but there might not be as well. It could be that "he belongs to
intelligence" was said simply because the person that said it risked blackmail, or a case of simple
cowardice in the face of influence and money.
"He smells dirty" - a line from the Fugitive movie, applies here. Hopefully the prosecutors will
expose the entire rat's nest, wherever it leads. Hopefully the prosecutors have bodyguards.
ZD1
,
1 hour ago
Every Democrat presidential candidate in the last 25 years has had pedophilia ties.
Take Obama for example.
Two weeks after the 2014 election, Terry Bean was busted in Portland. Bean was the co-founder of the
Human Rights Campaign, the most effective gay rights lobby in the country, whose donors included
Harvey Weinstein.
Bean was a big donor to Obama, Kerry and Gore.
At the Human Rights Campaign, Obama had directed a remark to "my great friend and supporter, Terry
Bean." Bean had raised over $1 million for Obama's political career.
Bean was accused of having sex with a 15-year-old boy. Bean's boyfriend, who had been brought along
to the White House to meet Obama, was also arrested. The boyfriend's mother accused Bean of using
him to "get young kids" by grooming them with gifts of alcohol and Viagra.
According to prosecutors, the Obama backer had engaged in this sort of behavior as far back as '79
when he had sex with a 16-year-old boy and plied him with alcohol and drugs. The victim, who is now
a middle aged doctor, had come out so that Bean would not be able to "keep on abusing young boys."
Despite denying the charges, Bean attempted to settle out of court with the boy. The prosecutor
stated that Bean had offered the victim at least $200,000.
That's a good deal of money. But only a fifth of what Obama got.
The boy declined to testify. Bean walked free.
Since then, Bean appears to have maxed out his donations to Hillary Clinton. There is no evidence
that Hillary or her people have returned them.
You are a moron because there is no left or right bent to corruption, corruption is an equal
opportunity opportunist depends on the context of that situation presents itself of that
particular time like a market, just like when you go shop a car maybe that particular time a
Ford mustang was on sale so you picked it up and then some others times its a chevy camaro
beemasters
,
1 hour ago
Acosta said that had his office not been involved, Epstein would have only faced one charge from
state prosecutors.
"Without the work of our prosecutors, Epstein would have gotten away with just that state
charge," Acosta said. "He was and is a sexual predator."
During a press conference on Wednesday, Acosta gave no indication he would resign after days of
calls by Democrats for him to step down and said he has the support of Republican President
Donald
Trump
.
"My relationship with the president is outstanding," Acosta said.
The labour secretary would not say if he would make the same decision regarding Epstein again
today.
Best-selling author Vicky Ward reported Tuesday that Alexander Acosta told the Trump transition team
when asked about his handling of Jeffrey Epstein's case that "I was told Epstein 'belonged to
intelligence' and to leave it alone."
Jeffrey Epstein's madame was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert Maxwell - a Mossad Agent. What
are the odds Epstein was also working for Mossad, CIA, and MI6? I mean the guy was blackmailing the
top politicians/businessmen in the USA via underage sex.
Here's a clue as to what intelligence agency may be behind Epstein via
The
Memory Hole
:
Epstein's pals include heads of state, entrepreneurs, academics and research scientists,
celebrities, and numerous beautiful women, notably Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of media mogul
Robert Maxwell (né Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch). Robert Maxwell, head of the Mirror Group
Newspapers, was alleged to be a Mossad agent by Seymour Hersh in his 1991 book on Israel's
nuclear program,
Expendable Container
,
1 hour ago
Was/is Epstein working for the Mossad?
July 9 2019 – The David Duke Show: Dr Duke & Andy Hitchcock Expose The Epstein Island International
Sex Ring & Reveal The Evidence It Is A Mossad Operation!
From 1989 up until 2003, Epstein donated more than $139,000 to Democratic federal
candidates. Notable recipients included former President Bill Clinton.
From 1999 to 2003, Epstein donated $77,000 to Democrats John Kerry, Richard Gephardt, Chris Dodd,
and other high-profile politicians and committees.
Epstein gave to independent Connecticut House candidate Gwendolyn Beck in 2014 and U.S. Virgin
Islands Democratic Delegate Stacey Plaskett both in 2016 and the most recent midterms.
Most recently, Epstein contributed $10,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in
October 2018.
Epstein was one of the largest investors in the hedge fund managed by Bear Stearns and a key federal
witness in the criminal prosecution of two of Bear Stearns' top executives in 2008 -- the same year a
non-prosecution agreement between federal prosecutors and Epstein's legal team was negotiated. It
isn't clear if Epstein's involvement in the Bear Stearns case played a role in his plea deal.
Of course Epstein contributed to Bubba...dat was a regular customer, [gee was it 26 times or only
four? only Clintons hairdresser and Epstein know for sure] and Epstein also got a fabulous amount of
black mail footage on Bubbs, which then allowed Esptein to leverage this, to allow him to peddle to
diddlers at will, as well as doing his own diddling, while becoming fabulously rich
Here is a theory you may want to think about...say your Epstein (I know ******* repulsive to think
about) but still...say you know that they all know you have the drop on all of them, you know you
are surely going to get whacked fairly quickly (with Horowitz report weeks away from hitting the
streets). You run to the feds and say "take me in by the hairs on my pedo chinny chin chin", and Ill
spill the beans...I will look those deep state ***** right in the eye and say goodbye pedo, nice to
know you....
This whole thing could be a movie production orchestrated by Trump as the ultimate **** you in the
*** with the magic mushroom head revenge moment...You folks fucked with the wrong President, this
aint no Nixon you can roll over
WOW...This is MAJOR forest fire, and if it does not get shut down, will burn those sick ***** to the
mother ******* ground....the chief architect pyro for this conflagration (Epstein)...gotta be
getting taken out by some amazing "accident" in prison, a la Whitey Bulger style, unless (as always)
the screen play has a plot twist.
Burn away bitches I say, let the fire fry your ******* ball sacks off you sick *****...when that is
over, you can look forward to swimming in the lake of fire with the Clintons for eternity
PKKA
,
1 hour ago
Stop advertising the Mossad. Mossad is not so omnipotent as you think. More empty advertising than
real affairs. For all the time they caught and stole only one old Nazi alcoholic Eichmann, who did
not occupy such a big post in the 3rd Reich. For the stench and advertising was, to the whole world!
Jews can do advertising, and you immediately believe everything. Hezbollah also stole Israeli
military Gilad Shalit. Look at the failure of the Mossad and Israel in the second Lebanon war of
2006. It was Lebanon and Hezbollah.
At 9 am on July 12, Hezbollah militants from Lebanon struck a rocket and mortar attack on the
fortified Nurit point and the border village of Shlomi, wounding 11 people. Simultaneously with this
distracting action, a group of militants crossed the border and attacked two Humvi patrol vehicles
from an ambush. Three soldiers were killed, two captured - Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. The
operation to free the captives after two hours resulted in the loss of 5 more Israeli soldiers.
And in the future, the events unfolded for Israel is very unfortunate
Johnbrown
,
1 hour ago
They did 9/11, and still not prosecuted.
PKKA
,
1 hour ago
What is your evidence? Are you the director of the CIA or the FBI?
ZD1
,
1 hour ago
A-List Democrats and left wing journalists partied with Jeffrey Epstein who was a raging Democrat.
Epstein was let out of jail, Palm Beach County jail, after serving 10 months, but he was allowed to
leave for 12 hours a day and then basically spend the night. He was allowed to go to his Palm Beach
house and do whatever he was doing, ankle bracelet kind of thing, and then go back and spend the
night in the jail. Obviously a sweetheart deal for 10 months and then he was released for a time
with I think home whatever.
When he got out of jail, he has a dinner party and at the dinner party,
Katie
Couric
,
George
Stephanopoulos
, all of these A-list, left-wing journalist and socialite A-listers that show up
at cocktail parties, they're all there, and they know what the guy did, they know who he is, they
know what he does.
Another woman, Sarah Ransome, also submitted an affidavit with the lawsuit with new details
about sex she claims she had with Dershowitz.
Ransome says that she was introduced to Epstein when she was 22 years old and living in New
York. She claims that she spent time at Epstein's mansion and was "lent out" by him to his
friends for sex. Among those friends was Dershowitz, she said in the affidavit. She alleges she
had a three-way sexual encounter with Dershowitz and Nadia Marcinkova, who also worked for
Epstein.
"I recall specific, key details of his person and the sex acts and can describe them in the
event it becomes necessary to do so," Ransome said in the affidavit.
When I hear that Jews are too powerful, my response is, we are not powerful enough. When I hear
that AIPAC is too influential a lobby, I say it must become even more influential. When I hear
that Jews contribute too much money to support pro-Israel causes, I say we must contribute more.
When I hear that Jews control the media, I ask "Why is so much of the media so anti-Israel?"
When I hear that Jews have too much influence on the outcome of elections, I say we need to
increase our influence. We aren't doing enough. We must do more.
Jews have contributed enormously -- disproportionately -- to America's success. Along with other
immigrants, Jews have helped change our country for the better: academically, scientifically,
economically, politically, militarily, medically, legally, technologically and in so many other
ways. We have earned the right to act as first-class citizens. No other group is ever accused of
having too much power and influence. That false claim -- dating back to times and places where
Jews had little or no influence -- is an anti-Semitic trope that tells us more about the
anti-Semites who invoke it that it does about the Jews.
History has proven that Jews
need
more
power and influence than other groups to secure their safety.
Doesnt occur to him that the perpetual Jewish effort to grab disproportionate power as a hostile
minority elite is WHY they need 'safety.' Or the ways in which Judaism teaches Jews to regard their
non-Jewish ethnic host.
Stacey Plaskett, the delegate to the U.S House of Representatives from the Virgin Islands, is
unlikely to return the thousands of dollars donated to her campaign by Jeffrey Epstein, a
billionaire sex offender recently arrested for child sex trafficking.
Plaskett, a black Democrat, has served as the island territory's representative to Congress since
first being elected in 2014. Throughout her tenure, Plaskett has received $8,100 from Epstein, who
owns his own private island in the Virgin Islands territory called Little Saint James. The majority
of the money, $5,400, was donated during Plaskett's 2016 reelection campaign when she faced a strong
primary opponent. Epstein's latest donation of $2,700 -- the maximum contribution allowed at the time
under FEC guidelines -- was during the 2018 campaign cycle.
Prior to his 2008 conviction, Epstein was an influential political donor, noted for his support of
Democrat candidates and causes. From 1989 to 2003, he donated more than $139,000 to Democrats
running for federal office, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
The Epstein case looks like a 'honeypot' operation
Involve the rich and powerful in degenerate liaisons then (if need be) blackmail them.
Was it a Mossad or a Deep State operation is irrelevant
The big question is ...was Trump partaking in these sordid deeds or not?
I would hazard a yes
Can't believe philandering Trump would turn down an offer of underage beaver.
Needless to say the whole shebang of East Coast Dem/wall st pantheon must have some partaking
beemasters
,
2 hours ago
Pedophilia isn't a partisan issue. All on Epstein's black book should be investigated!
philosophers bone
,
2 hours ago
At the end of his press conference, Acosta was asked if he said that Epstein was owned by
intelligence.
Listen closely to his answer. He beats around the Bush and does not ever answer the question.
consider me gone
,
2 hours ago
Well, don't tell anyone but I heard...now don't tell anyone! But I heard....Trump is a Russian mole.
I believe it. I mean come on, very important people say so. But unfortunately I can't mention any
names.
Rhal
,
2 hours ago
It's about time the people knew the CIA has gone rogue.
They made it official on March 31 1981.
Their blackmail library must be massive by now. Some ambitious sobs in Washington even volunteer
into the Brownstone just to have the deepstate promote them on a promise.
Deal with the Devil.
Taras Bulba
,
2 hours ago
Why is this a bombshell? Clickbait headline. Anyone looking at this for more than, say 30 seconds,
would agree that this is a foreign power blackmail operation.
ken
,
2 hours ago
So nothing has been done about it, why? Because War/Slaughter-for-Profit in the Middle East is so
profitable for American warmongers, and so beneficial for Israel? Is that why? Which foreign
government is behind the Jeffrey Epstein Hedge Fund/Child Trafficking Front?
toady
,
3 hours ago
It's completely bizarre to me that "someone" can just tell a high level prosecutor "don't prosecute
that guy, he's too important" and they just say "okay".
Walking Turtle
,
3 hours ago
Shouldn't BE that way. But it sure WAS and in many, many current instances still IS.
Damn shame. But nonetheless, it still is far better to light even a single candle than ever it was
to sit and curse the Darkness. Been that way for thousands of years of Human Life on Earth, in
fact. So now the Truth is coming to Light. Beds and bridges are BURNING. Enjoy!
Please take time to remember to breathe, now and then, and give up some gratitude to Heaven in those
little moments if at all so inclined. And that is all. 0{;-)o[
Generation O
,
3 hours ago
You'll remember the film, "Sex, Lies, and Videotape", and the Mob reference to a videotape that Jon
Voight wanted in the 1998 "Enemy Of The State" (which laid out the 911 attacks three years
beforehand, such as at 1:54:00 in the film). These two widely separated references both stem from
the same case which involved the FBI and stretch back to Israeli actions in the 1970's. And yes,
there is (so much) more to say. What did you think of that nuclear missile fired at Hawaii? How do
you think Trump got the files on this case from Netanyahu? The same way Netanyahu got historical
recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Take some deep breaths before going on here, because
there is more. Much more.
El Vaquero
,
3 hours ago
It really looks like Epstein is potentially the stopper that needs to be pulled to start draining
the swamp. If true that Epstein is an intel asset, which I won't get my hopes up for but would
absolutely believe, that has even deeper implications than just a pedo billionaire blackmailing
powerful people around the world. Though the latter is still something that if understood by the
general populace, would be ground-shattering in its own right. But if this goes back to the CIA or
Mossad or Five Eyes, HOLY ****, the fallout will be beyond epic.
Real Estate Guru
,
3 hours ago
After what we just saw with Obama/Clinton/the FBI, CIA, 911, etc, etc, etc.. etc nothing is
impossible. In fact, it is almost a certainty at this point that all of our worst fears are
going to be realized.
The **** is about to hit the fan. or should I say pizza....
El Vaquero
,
3 hours ago
If the CIA wasn't dirty since its inception in 1947, it only took a few years for it to
become absolutely corrupt. There was some seriously fucked up human experimentation done in
the '50s by the CIA under MKULTRA that goes well beyond just dosing people with LSD. Just
understanding that an organization which deals in the trade of lying, cheating and stealing
is going to be corrupt by its very nature will get you a long way. Do I have evidence that
the CIA put a pedo billionaire up to ensnaring rich and powerful people and using that for
blackmail? No. Do I find it plausable that such an organization would do such a thing?
Absolutely.
sbin
,
2 hours ago
Start calling the "intelligence agencies" by the correct name unaccountable secret police then
declassify everything so those responsible can be held accountable.
Bush sr was an evil person.
JSBach1
,
3 hours ago
Another piece per Wayne Madsen:
It is noteworthy that Attorney General William Barr, seen as Trump's personal lawyer and hatchet
man, may have known Epstein in the 1970s. In 1973,
Donald
Barr, the headmaster of Manhattan's elite Dalton School
a private school for children of some
of New York's wealthiest families,
hired
Epstein, who did not even possess a college degree, to teach mathematics, physics, and calculus.
Students
attending Dalton at the time included the son of Alan Greenberg, the chairman of the now-defunct
Wall Street firm Bear Stearns. In 1976, Greenberg hired Epstein to be a trader at Bear Stearns
and the degree-less math teacher soon became a billionaire
. Others attending Dalton during
Epstein's tenure include actresses Jennifer Gray and Tracy Pollan and television's "Bizarre
Foods" chef Andrew Zimmern. Epstein's association with Barr have some observers jokingly
referring to the matter as the "Epstein-Barr" case.
...
What is most interesting is the fact that the
SDNY's
Public Corruption Unit (PCU) is handling the case against Epstein. This has raised eyebrows
among experienced former federal prosecutors because it indicates that the Epstein case may
involve malfeasance in office by government officials
. Also, one of the SDNY prosecutors
handling the Epstein case in Maureen Comey, the daughter of former FBI director James Comey, who
Trump fired in 2007 during a fit of rage. Ms. Comey, a graduate of Harvard Law School, has been
with the SDNY since 2015 and is with the Office's Violent and Organized Crime Unit. WMR has
compiled a 'massive database showing thousands of Trump links to organized crime elements in New
York and elsewhere'.
...
Epstein victim, Giuffre, represented by David Boies, the chairman of Boies, Schiller & Flexner,
has
a pending lawsuit against Maxwell, claiming that Epstein's assistant turned her into a "sex
slave."
The suit also involves making public sealed court documents that not only implicate
Maxwell in Epstein's trafficking ring but also Dershowitz and other VIPs.
The involvement of British citizen Maxwell and Prince Andrew in the Epstein matter is drawing
attention to another recent story concerning
top
secret cables sent to London from Washington by British ambassador to the United States Kim
Darroch
. Among the recipients of Darroch's cables was Mark Sedwill, the British national
security adviser and Cabinet Secretary.
Darroch
warned in one dispatch to London that, with Trump, "we could also be at the beginning of a
downward spiral, rather than just a roller coaster: something could emerge that leads to
disgrace and downfall."
With the FBI involved in the renewed criminal probe of Epstein that links to Maxwell and Prince
Andrew, the
British
ambassador would have, as a matter of course, been briefed by federal authorities on prominent
UK citizens being in legal extremis in the United States
.
1970??? so 50 years ago he was doing this? lol!...
Buck Johnson
,
4 hours ago
I have people saying in the comments that the Mossad couldn't have gotten the federal prosecutor to
back off and other things in regard to America the CIA did it, yes and no. I'm going to bring up 2
movies one a real movie called Safehouse and the other a documentary. Remember Safehouse with
Denzel Washington, you remember when he went to that bar in the beginning to get blackmail
information to protect himself and/or have leverage over others that want him dead. There was a
scene toward the end with Brendan Gleeson talking to Vera Farmiga *(both CIA agents) before he
killed her about having to do your job but having people following you and always watching and
recording what you do. I think this comment was essentially a dig at the Mossad and how they do
their work. The Mossad are used to help CIA or other world intelligence organizations and when they
do help they make sure to keep record, tapes, information on the people and what happened so they
can essentially blackmail those agents at a later time to help them and then when they do they
become more compromised and eventually their own agents are afraid of being outed to their superiors
and maybe the Mossad say look we will help you to get up in your boss position so those agents help
to take down their bosses and such and now you see how those agents are so beholden to the Mossad
and have done so much both privately and helping the Mossad that they don't dare go against them and
end up doing life in some dark hole somewhere for being a traitor.
This is classic, classic spy 101 to slowly get them so buried in that hole that their only way out
is to stay on the Mossad team and there was no way out. Also the second film which was a
documentary of sorts I need help with, so anybody that can find this documentary that was on
HBO/encore please tell me the name I was flipping channels when I stopped on the channel to watch
it. In this documentary it was in a part of India where there was alot of white/european hippies,
but as the documentary continued you started to noticed that the ones being filmed where Israeli and
they even had one that actually said (Older guy) he was retired Mossad. It was essentially them
living around in this area but while they lived there one older guy acted like a watcher/fixer for
the group. Because one of the crowd of Israeli (youngish guy I would say 27 but they wouldn't show
his face), started to spout about conspiracy **** that we have heard and kept on going and going as
if he did things real bad and was trying to clear his soul in some ways. Well this "fixer" was able
to get in contact with some Israeli govt. official that "happen" to fly into that part of India for
some state issue. The camera man was able to video tape this Israeli watcher/fixer taking the
official to the side and talking to him with his hand over his mouth and later in the documentary we
found out that the same young guy that was talking and saying all that stuff was put on that private
plane that flew in and flew out with that govt. official.
Remember everyone over 6 years ago that Mossad hit team that was shown by video surveillance taking
out a Hamas weapons dealer in Dubai or some other country (first time seeing this ever) and forensic
put it all together. Where do people like this and others who do black back or blackmail or steal
or do whatever the Mossad wants where do they retire or go to get away? Not all of them can be
wealth, nope they can't. I think that documentary that I saw showed a Mossad spy (not retirement
home) but a place for them to essentially chill out for awhile. But as it was pointed out why was a
documentary film person filming this, who knows.
But I do know that what little bits and pieces that we have put together, it's possible for them to
have circumvented intelligence agencies. Remember, they are only men and women with the same
problems we have working in those important places.
Minnie brings them individual cups of chocolate mousse. Rosemary passes out and experiences a
dreamlike vision in which
she
is
raped
by a demonic presence
in front of Guy, the Castevets, and other Bramford tenants, all of them
naked
.
Drugged and raped . . . a familiar theme.
In the wiki article, the Catholic Church is mentioned
Anunnaki
,
4 hours ago
SCOOP FOR YOU TYLER
From my Mom's Fartbook Page. Since Tyler hates memes this is what it says
According to sources CNN Pres. Jeff Zucker has ordered CNN employees to downplay Bill
Clinton's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. "We have to make it look like Epstein was Trump's
partner in all this. Don't mention the Clinton's. This could kill us in 2020!"
karp4cy
,
4 hours ago
Sexual exploitation of children is the addicts' drug of choice for many of the global elite. As the
effects of the drug use lessen with time, a more potent (taboo, violent) concoction is required to
achieve a comparable high. Names will be forthcoming, hopefully.
youshallnotkill
,
5 hours ago
Before everybody gets onto the rabid-hole express for why this case is again opened and this time in
NYC. There are new victims identified outside of Florida. They were abused at Epstein's NYC mansion.
Clinton flew on Epstein's private plane on at least 26 occasions between 2002 and 2003, including as
many as ten flights without his secret service detail, according to flight logs
published
by Fox News
in 2016
. Clinton
distanced himself from the accused pedophile and characterized the 26 flights as representing just
"four trips," all of which he took in the company of his secret service detail, in a statement
issued Monday evening.
Michael Musashi
,
5 hours ago
Although I voted for Trump, and probably will in the next election, it looks like he may have been
into young girls, too. There's an excellent tweet stream by @iansmadrig back in 11/2018 that makes a
persuasive case for the Trump/Epstein relationship.
That said, myself having done the tour in SE Asia, there's nothing worse than seeing these types of
perverts roaming the streets of the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Real freak'n
losers--mostly old, fat, and German or Scandinavian though.
There's nothing wrong with prostitutes--I had some great times with them, BUT you have to be one
limp ****, lame retarded ******* to want to sleep with underage kids. The inexperience factor along
is enough to make a real man cringe, not to mention the lack of physical and mental maturity.
Sick bastards all of them! I hope they burn, and if Uncle Trump is guilty too, well, I hope he get
what's coming, too.
beemasters
,
5 hours ago
Although I voted for Trump, and probably will in the next election, it looks like he may have
been into young girls, too. There's an excellent tweet stream by @iansmadrig back in 11/2018
that makes a persuasive case for the Trump/Epstein relationship.
@iansmadrig is a partisan hack. He runs his page to attack Trump and Republicans.
There is no evidence that prostitute was 13 years old. Just her and another prostitutes word.
In the first video she posted she said she was HIRED as a prostitute for a rape fantasy. She
participated willingly.
Her lawyer is Lisa Bloom. That right there is suspect.
I've been watching the MSM since Epstein's arrest and not a single credible mention of Bill Clinton.
Alot of 'he's Trump's best friend" though.
Democrats will stop at nothing to take power.
Chuckster
,
5 hours ago
Epstein is also connected to Flynn. Holy ****! Israel is probably involved but Israel involvement
may be mouse piss in the total scheme of things. Weapons and drugs sales and transportation added
to the list of adventures. Where is Donald in all this???? Does he have a part or being a genius
was he blinded by light and totally unaware? Was Donald the only one in Washington to be left out?
When the smoke clears....we may have a new government with a whole lot of new rules for the turds
given power to rule. Maybe this should have happened 100 years (or more) ago.
Chuckster
,
5 hours ago
Go watch some George Webb on You Tube and you will be shocked. He is kind of a wild card but I
know much of his information is dead accurate so the things he brings up that I didn't know are
probably accurate as well. Remember Flynn putting up a go fund me page to pay his attorneys?
****!
UBrexitUPay4it
,
5 hours ago
Two possibilities as I see it: either Epstein was caught with his pants down, but some agency
thought he might be useful, or his billions bought him agency protection, along with the power of
being part of the inner sanctum.
Personally, I don't believe that word didn't get around very, very quickly that Epstein was a dodgy
paedophilic blackmailer, so his use would have been limited unless no action was ever taken against
his "victims". On balance, the third and most likely option is this is disinformation put out by
Epstein to give himself some validity. Don't forget: everybody lies.
Versengetorix
,
5 hours ago
James Jesus Angleton brought the fledgling Mossad into the CIA in the 1950s. After the Kim Philby
defection, in whom he was heavily invested - he came to lean on his new Jewish friends with
increasing devotion. By the time he left - the Mossad had infiltrated the entire Agency. After the
USS Liberty, they set their sights on the NSA. Today they own the apparatus of the US Intelligence
community. People have no idea about the depth and perversion of the Synagogue of Satin. These
people murder for sport and it is thier deeply held belief that all non-Jews are here for their
pleasure and use - nothing more.
Call me Al
,
4 hours ago
You guys had that with this Pizza Scandal, the UK had it with the Paedophile Information Exchange
(PIE) -
Now strangely enough the
UK government is conducting an investigation on the scum AS WE SPEAK, are they (the investigation)
connected ?.
Respect_The_Cock
,
5 hours ago
Spying for Israel Is
Consequence Free Hollywood billionaire was a spy, an illegal arms merchant and a corrupter of
politicians
I asked "Why is this scumbag still making movies in Hollywood? Why isn't he in jail?" before
concluding that the federal government clearly regards spying for Israel as a victimless crime,
rarely arresting anyone and almost never prosecuting any of the numerous easily identifiable
Israeli intelligence agents roaming the country.
Milchan was an active Israeli spy in the U.S., working for the Mossad technology theft division
referred to as LEKEM. The Mossad frequently uses so-called sayanimin its espionage, which means
diaspora Jews that it recruits on the basis of a shared religion or concern for the security of
Israel. The threat coming from Israeli Embassy operatives inside the United States is such that
the Department of Defense once
warned
that
Jewish Americans in government would likely be the targets of their intelligence approaches.
President John F. Kennedy had tried to stop the Israeli nuclear weapons program but was
assassinated before he could end it. By 1965,
the
Jewish state had nevertheless obtained
the raw material for a bomb consisting of U.S.
government owned highly enriched weapons grade uranium obtained from a company in Pennsylvania
called NUMEC, which was founded in 1956 and owned by Zalman Mordecai Shapiro, head of the
Pittsburgh chapter of the Zionist Organization of America. NUMEC was a supplier of enriched
uranium for government projects but it was also from the start a front for the Israeli nuclear
program, with its chief funder David Lowenthal, a leading Zionist, traveling to Israel at least
once a month where he would meet with an old friend Meir Amit, who headed Israeli intelligence.
Look at the special prosecutor for this one too Mr. Barr...
it all ties in..... epstien, mossad, 9/11 promis software, muellar, comey, and even trump is some
how in this mix.
JSBach1
,
5 hours ago
I encourage all interested people to watch this piece by Rick Wiles of TruNews on Epstein,
Maxwell (this is his goy name), Vanunu. It ties the connections to Epstein, child sex
trafficking, promis software, Mossad, illicit Israeli Nuclear program stolen from the US
Hardly a bombshell! The CIA has been running similar operations since the 1950s. This will end the
same way.
You want proof?
"What you have to
understand, John, is sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful, with so much at
stake for other people or institutions, that you cannot do anything about
them
,
no matter how evil or wrong they are and no matter how dedicated or sincere you are or how much
evidence you have. This is simply one of the hard facts of life you have to face."
Former CIA Director William Colby to Senator John Camp, concerning the Franklin child abuse
cover-up.
geo_w
,
5 hours ago
Acosta didnt make that deal. He was just the stooge that got stuck with his signature on the
paperwork. I want to know who made Acosta give the deal. That's the guy we should be hearing from.
beemasters
,
5 hours ago
According to the Miami Herald, Acosta secretly negotiated with Jay Lefkowitz, a partner at
Kirland & Ellis. Acosta was previously a partner in that same law firm. Ken Starr is another
Kirkland attorney.
It was all planned...including having Acosta involved. All in the family.
JamesinNM
,
6 hours ago
Yes, the deep state only allows people "in" who have a closet full of skeletons so they can control
them. Read John Perkins' book Secret History of the American Empire and Confessions of an Economic
Hit Man. Research interviews with Dutch entrepreneur Ronald Bernard on the Luciferian deep state
pedophiles and their child sacrificing rituals. Pray for Christ's return and the destruction of all
evil.
JSBach1
,
7 hours ago
Per Wayne Madsen:
Former President Bill Clinton's
inane
accusation that Russian intelligence is behind news
reports concerning the involvement of
Duke of York, Prince Andrew, in an underage sex slave ring run by convicted pederast and Florida
billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, is a last-ditch attempt by the former president to salvage the
flagging 2016 presidential prospects of his wife, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Justice for the teens abused by Epstein, and allegedly by his friends Andrew and others, may be
elusive.
Florida
prosecutors who worked for both Jeb Bush and, later, GOP Governor Charlie Crist, arranged for a
"non-prosecution agreement" (NPA) that shielded Epstein and any "potential co-conspirators
"
from federal prosecutions after Epstein agreed to the plea deal that saw him plead guilty to a
single state charge of soliciting prostitution, without any mention of the age of the so-called
"prostitutes."
The
no-further-prosecution deal was worked out between Epstein's lawyers and Florida and the federal
government. Epstein's lawyers happened to be Alan Dershowitz; Kenneth Starr, the independent
counsel of "Monicagate" fame; and Miami celebrity trial lawyer Roy Black
. The terms of the
NPA were called into question in a letter written in 2011 by former U.S. Attorney for the
Southern District of Florida, R. Alexander Acosta, and the dubious deal-making with Epstein's
lawyers during Bush's and Crist's tenure is clearly apparent:
Police Dismantle Massive
Child Sex Slavery Ring Run By Israelis, Fmr IDF Soldier -- MSM Silent
MEDELLÍN, COLOMBIA --
(MPN)
A
large child sex slavery ring overseen by Israelis
was
dismantled
by Colombian police earlier this week, in a story that has shocked Colombia and
much of Latin America but received minimal coverage from mainstream Western media outlets. The
network had been active since 2011 and expressly "recruited" young, underage females in
situations of economic hardship or domestic abuse to work as "sex slaves" catering to Israeli
tourists visiting Colombia.
According to judicial sources
cited
by
El Colombiano
, the tourism
packages sold by Mush and his cohorts involved taking Israeli men – most of them businessmen or
men who recently ended their compulsory military service in the IDF – to parties at a variety of
locales such as hostels, hotels, farms and yachts, where the main attraction was the sexual
exploitation of underage women and the mass consumption of narcotics and alcohol. The sites
where the exploitation occurred offered lodging or services exclusively to Israeli tourists, a
practice that is surprisingly common in frequented tourist destinations throughout South
America.
Mush was expelled from Colombia in November of last year after a massive sex party was broken up
by police and illicit drugs were found at the scene. By that time, authorities had already
determined the existence of the network and his accomplices.
jews enslaving the world, the talmud according to plan
Psadie
,
7 hours ago
Twitter investigative sources saying the 11th hr witness coming forward may be Rachel Chandler who
took photos of underground rooms at Lolita Island & Bill Clinton with his arm around her on the
plane. This kid will take them all down.
PopeRatzo
,
7 hours ago
Just so you know: Acosta was just asked about this directly in his press conference - whether he
was ever told Epstein was "with intelligence" - and he denied it.
So once again, Zerohedge reports on a story that's complete ******** because it fits some Qanon
jackoff agenda.
JSBach1
,
7 hours ago
According to those who have accused Epstein of sexual abuse, Maxwell's predilection for managing
his life extended to his sex life as well. In 2018,
Epstein
and Maxwell
settled
a lawsuit brought against them by a woman named Sarah Ransome
, who alleged that Maxwell
hired her to give Epstein massages at his home. Between 2006 and 2007, Ransome alleged,
the
two promised to pay her tuition to FIT in exchange for Ransome providing sexual favors to
Epstein and his friends,
including
lawyer Alan Dershowitz
. (Dershowitz has repeatedly denied the charges;
Ransome's
suit was settled in 2018
under undisclosed terms.)
Last April, another woman and former Epstein employee, Maria Farmer, alleged that
Maxwell
and Epstein
had
sexually
abused her and her 15-year-old sister on two separate occasions
in the mid-1990s. She also
alleged that
she
frequently saw a "number of school-age girls" come to Epstein's New York City home
. "When I
asked Maxwell why these young girls were coming over to the house so often she said that the
girls were interviewing for modeling positions," Farmer
said
.
"At the time, based on my observations at the home, it did not seem credible to me that these
young girls were interviewing for modeling positions."
Farmer's allegations surfaced as the result of a
defamation
lawsuit filed against Dershowitz by Virginia Giuffre, who also named Maxwell
in
a
2015 civil suit against Epstein. In the suit, Giuffre (then identified as Jane Doe 3)
alleged
that during the summer of 1999,
when
she was 16 years old and working as a towel girl at Trump's Palm Beach resort Mar-a-Lago,
Maxwell recruited her to serve as Epstein's massage therapist. Giuffre alleged that Maxwell and
Epstein instructed her to have sex with him and his friends, including Dershowitz
.
Dershowitz publicly denied her claims and accused Giuffre of making them up, prompting Giuffre
to sue him for defamation. Last week, Dershowitz filed a motion for a federal judge to
dismiss
the defamation suit
.
When Acosta says "intelligence" he means CIA. That's the missing link here folks. However much the
Mossad was running Epstein, the Mossad doesn't get the FBI to ignore complaints for decades, and the
Mossad doesn't get prosecutors and judges to give sweetheart deals, not in the USA, in the USA the
CIA does that.
The Mossad often does the dirty work for Israel's creator, the British, so they can maintain their
"special relationship" with US on the one hand while playing hardball on the other. Given the Queen
was on the list for pedo-island too, it's probably all three: MI6, Mossad and CIA. My point is that
in the USA, the Mossad would have had to have at least gotten the CIA in on it in order to call off
the FBI for decades, and then finally get the sweetheart deal from Acosta and the judge. (Don't
forget, a judge had to sign off on the plea deal too; I don't see the judge mentioned?)
dibiase
,
6 hours ago
the five eyes are just one agency in real life. although they are compartmentalized. sometimes
even going against one another. they are owned by bankers...
beemasters
,
7 hours ago
When Acosta says "intelligence" he means CIA. That's the missing link here folks. However much
the Mossad was running Epstein ....
Or possibly, there was no "intelligence" at all - at least not on Acosta's part-, but just some
powerful individuals or state-sponsored program. The entire deal was unprecedented. No one should
have agreed to a deal that would have given immunity to all his pedophile clients ("known AND
unknown" - possibly to include future clients?), while officially labeling the victims "whores."
JaxPavan
,
7 hours ago
Who was the judge who signed off on it? Did he have a visit from two FBI agents on behalf of
the CIA? That's how this usually works. What powerful individuals kept the rank and file,
bright eyed and bushy tailed FBI agents from investigating complaints for decades?
beemasters
,
7 hours ago
Yeah...I'm not sure. There's been little mention of the judge. That judge was either
compromised too or lied to.
666D Chess
,
7 hours ago
The big question is... why did Trump appoint Acosta in the first place? What has Acosta got on
Trump? I've got the feeling that Epstein is going to commit suicide by stabbing himself 35 times in
the back one of these days...
beemasters
,
7 hours ago
Epstein is going to commit suicide by stabbing himself 35 times in the back one of these
days
Dead man's switch would prevent that. And Epstein isn't stupid not to have one. His associate,
Maxwell, on the other hand, may not have any. She might have to go first especially now that she
is reported to be showing signs of turning against Epstein.
HoPewGassed
,
7 hours ago
Live: Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta holds press conference
Gordon Duff hates Trump and has accused Melania of being a hooker at the time she met Trump. The
problem with Duff is that he's got a murky past himself. Jeff Rense has had to distance himself from
Duff a couple of times since Trump took office.
JoeBattista
,
7 hours ago
To anyone with an inquiring mind Epstein has always been someone's tool. My early guess is CIA and
Mossad. Where his wealth originated has never been properly explained. The people who flew the
Lolita Express have to be really stupid or Sexual deviants unable to control their impulses. a
combo of both is likely. How does Epstein's jet share a tail number with a jet registered to the US
Dept. Of State?
fuglysheepleco
,
7 hours ago
Dyncorp
Psadie
,
7 hours ago
Ghislaine Maxwell is a jet pilot and certified submersible pilot. Last week actress Ellen Barkin
tweeted that GM told her she trafficked children. Barkin who was married to Ron Perelman just
implicated herself for she never reported GM. These crimes are deep and wide...not enough space to
hold all of them.
There were many cases, but they were never prosecuted: Young girls from Romania, Ukraine, Moldova
and other Eastern European countries being brought in to service the UN and military bases as
sex-slaves. The cases involved the officers from many foreign countries, including the USA,
Pakistan, Germany, Romania, Ukraine, government contractors, and local organized criminals.
The human rights investigators were never allowed to fully investigate, the suspects were
immediately removed from the mission or transferred to other missions. The young women were simply
sent back to their home countries."
Layman Economist
,
7 hours ago
So, who told Acosta that Epstein worked for intelligence? Acosta broke the law, and this excuse
without any evidence or name trail doesn't get him off the hook in any way. Time to arrest Acosta
and get him to assist in working up the chain of command.
There is a world wide network of these creeps in my country former victims have claimed Prime
Ministers,an attorney general,high profile media celebrities and others in high places were
involved,select kids get flown around the world one on you tube as 'Candy girl' claims both Nixon
and Billy Graham were in on it at the Bohemian grove so this sort of crap has been going on for
decades we are run by people with filthy habits and sick minds and the prosecution of this case is
only the tip of the iceberg and a test case as to whether any cahones still exist in law
enforcement.
JSBach1
,
8 hours ago
Alex Acosta had the temerity to tweet this little gem yesterday (for which he took a beating in the
replies to his tweet):
EPSTEIN WAS (IS) MEMBER OF THE
CFR
AND
TRILATERAL
COMMISSION
Epstein used his money to construct a worldwide network of contacts. He donated large sums
toward neuroscience research at Harvard and a California lab. He invited researchers to his New
York house and talked math with them over equations scrawled on a blackboard in his dining room.
He flew former president Bill Clinton and actor Kevin Spacey to Africa to promote AIDS
awareness.
He was a
member of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.
Failing TDS magazine Rolling Stone, founded by a sexual predator, Jann Wenner displays perfectly the
(((Alinsky))) coverage of the embarassment of Dem donor Jeffrey Epstein.
They put Trump above rapist Bill Clinton in their political connections story. Been a subscriber
since '79. Will not be renewing.
I read Wexner gave JE $$$millions while Epstein was a college dropout twice. He wasn't that smart
but someone offered him a juicy gig. Q posted awhile back that they are saving Israel for last. Uh
oh.
Blankenstein
,
8 hours ago
This article has a lot of info about Epstein, including his dealings with Wexner.
"Wexner, through a trust, bought the town house in which Epstein now lives for a reported $13.2
million in 1989. In 1993, Wexner married Abigail Koppel, a 31-year-old lawyer, and the newlyweds
relocated to Ohio; in 1996, Epstein moved into the town house. Public documents suggest that the
house is still owned by the trust that bought it, but Epstein has said that he now owns the house."
lay_arrow
1
BigWhiskey
,
9 hours ago
Let's assume Epstein was running a blackmail op; this may explain
his wealth. But, that is only money. The real prize would be an
abundance of blackmail material on someone before he/she becomes
powerful. The real prize would be absolute control over the most
powerful man in the world. Anyone on that list who became powerful?
One would think that continuing the blackmail would be preferable
to ending such a once in a lifetime windfall to save the
blackmailer, no? Epstein will never play his trump card. He has
nothing to gain and everything to lose by flipping on Trump. In the
meantime, y'all can fill in the blanks for your choice of a
name....
SummerSausage
,
9 hours ago
Epstein was a major player before this came out. He was on the Trilateral Commission with Henry
Kissinger, he was on the board of the Rockefeller Foundation, he was a major donor to Harvard. All
the press about him wrote of how brilliant and what a philanthropist he was.
His rolodex included EVERYBODY and his motto was to have everyone owe him a favor.
He never spilled the beans on who he provided girls to and his accomplices walked away just like
Hillary's did in the email scandal.
Names came out in depositions but those were sealed until a judge ruled them to be released a few
days ago. We should have some interesting reading by the end of the month.
SummerSausage
,
9 hours ago
Just finished reading Conchita Sarnoff's book on Epstein "Traffic King". She's a journalist who is
also a crusader against children sex trafficking.
Epstein undoubtedly had big names in compromising sexual situations but he also was a major child
sex trafficker which is big business in the US.
He brought young girls in through a modeling agency, promising them and their parents modeling jobs.
There have been tough Federal laws against child sex trafficking since 2000. Epstein wasn't charged
under that.
These girls had to have visas. Immigration was never asked to look into the girls' status.
Acosta didn't have the juice to shut those investigations down or ignore the violations.
Makes you wonder if one of the reasons the Dems don't want the borders secure is it will make child
sex trafficking more difficult???
Posa
,
9 hours ago
Would be no surprise that Epstein had ***** immunity. This was no ordinary perv. He has quite the
social pedigree... "Epstein was on the board of the
Rockefeller
Foundation
, a member of the
Trilateral
Commission
and the
Council
on Foreign Relations
, and was a major donor to
Harvard
University
."... was tied to the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies (the US residence of
Einstein and his circle)... pals with Price Andrew... Sen George Mitchell... media people etc (see
Wiki article)
MrBoompi
,
9 hours ago
"If so, we need to find out precisely who he was working for."
Even if I would like to find this out as well, I won't be holding my breath. His handlers sure
won't be providing info on that. I'm sure Epstein knows when to keep his mouth shut and any sweet
deal he gets now would still rely on him keeping his mouth shut. Chances are these same folks are
the ones telling him who he can and can't rat on. If Epstein was was of the first to "invest" in
the Clinton Foundation, this also adds another piece to the puzzle since the CF also seems to be a
protected entity. Like I said before I detect the stench of CIA/Mossad/MI6.
Arizona1234
,
9 hours ago
The "service" that Epstein provided for human scum is simple. You have a plane you provide a human
and drug shipping service. By Epstein putting scum bags like a rapists Clinton or some EU fucktard
on the plane is then they put diplomat immunity bags on the plane. So they could move drugs and
human sex slaves without security (customs) looking too close. For this Epstein was paid. Let's say
your one of these Elite scum bags and you want to move a large quantity of cash. Call Epstein. Want
to move drugs call Epstein. Then depending on the secrecy of your move depended on cost of what scum
bag political fucktard he would put along to cover your ****. Maybe there were more than one
intelligence agency that also was paying Epstein. Probably CIA, Mossad , MI6 ,DGSE and SVR .
mendigo
,
9 hours ago
Appears republicans are now realizing that what Acosta did was wrong:
Suspect that Epstein was an blackmail operative for a cooperative program between Israel's Mossad
and CIA/FBI to collect compromising material on certain targeted Congress members to maintain
control over them.
Suspect it is also related to US Congress members who work for Israel as "DUAL" citizens. Those
Israeli DUALS who scream loudest for Acosta to quit as Labor Secy on the top of the list for
involvement in the blackmail operation as Handlers within Congress.
"Above then US Attorney Acosta's pay-grade" would be the Chiefs of FBI and CIA at the time. 2007 was
Genl Hayden / CIA and Mueller/ FBI. DOJ boss of Acosta was either Mukasey or Gonzales.
Just a guess...
Real Estate Guru
,
10 hours ago
This guy is a setup by the deep state all the way. No doubt about it.
"In that piece, I shared many lesser known, but extremely bizarre facts about Jeffrey Epstein and
the people around him. I also noted that it appeared his real job was to run a blackmail operation
to ensnare some of the most wealthy and powerful people on earth. I alluded to the possibility that
he was collecting this priceless information on behalf of a third party, and then just today we
learn the following
via
the
Daily Beast
:"
Nobody can figure out where he got his $Billions. And he was connected to the Clinton
"Foundation".
You do the math
freedommusic
,
10 hours ago
Italy arrests 18 for
allegedly brainwashing and selling children
Italian police have arrested 18 people including a mayor, doctors and social workers for
allegedly brainwashing vulnerable children into thinking their parents had abused them so they
could then be sold to foster parents.
"If we can somehow get to the bottom of Epstein I suspect we'll learn a lot about how the world of
the powerful really works, and why everything is so fked and corrupt."
Then may I suggest you are NOT as good a researcher as you make out. As most of that information is
already out there
This came up through the state courts and was fully exposed by the Miami Herald, and it blindsided
Barr and Trump. A lot of people here think this is Trump cleaning the swamp. I suggest you recheck
the facts. Paul Cessell reopened this case at the state level. Trump's relationship with Epstein
will need to be looked at closely, especially the timelines. I'm especially interested in what Trump
knew about Epstein, 4 years before he was arrested in 2008 for child trafficking. Holding back
information about a crime is a crime.
This looks like Israel, and we all can see with open eyes that Trump has given Israel more than most
before him. It doesn't look good and we need to ask the hard questions. This is a national security
issue and it befuddles me why Epstein is not at Guantanamo at this very moment. Instead, he is
enjoying constitutional rights. This stinks to high heaven.
libertysghost
,
11 hours ago
So why didn't Mueller bring this up in his investigation? That would have been prime time to do
so...if...if what you "think" is the circumstance, is really the circumstance that is. Mueller would
know it all since he was behind letting ol' Jeffrey off the first time. Wouldn't letting him off the
first time be a crime of obstruction too...on Mueller? He is the one whose job it was in the first
place.
Trump had his suspicions, I'm pretty certain about that...but if you have no "evidence", what can
you do...but get SUED or "Arkancided" given all the players we DO KNOW are more likely involved
because of some pretty overwhelming "coincidences" in their ties to Epstein.
You're reaching here...anything is possible in this world and nothing can be proven to "not have
happened"...but this is pure conjecture at this point on your part regarding Trump compared to where
more solid conjecture could be placed toward others we KNOW were already involved in relationships
with extensive relationships with Epstein and covering for him after the fact
MushroomCloud2020
,
10 hours ago
Just a few simple questions. Why did Trump unfriend Epstein? Was Epstein a bad golfer? Was he always
late paying his club dues. What upset Trump to go from "he is a terrific guy" to "I am not a fan of
Epstein"?
Mind you, this all happened, according to Trump, 15 years ago. That is 4 years before the
investigation into Epstein started. And by the way, the person who informed the police was a mother
of one of the victims.
If Trump knew about Epstein activities, then distancing himself was not
enough. He had knowledge of a crime and didn't report it. That is illegal, and more so if children
are involved.
I highly doubt that Epstein case will result in any arrests of high powered politicians or
major celebrities (maybe they'll arrest a few pilots or chauffeurs, but no billionaires). I
also remember all the talk of Anthony Wiener's laptop and his "Insurance folder", but that
didn't lead to anything.
If even 1/10 of all the rumors surrounding these people were true, it would rank as the
greatest political scandal in the last 200 years and would be nothing less than a
geopolitical earthquake that would totally reshape the Western world. It would certainly
destroy the current Neoliberal international world order, as nations would become terrified
that their political stability would harmed if their national elites would become enmeshed in
another international scandal
We do not know why Epstein resurfaced, there was no need to re-open the case unless 'they'
wanted it to be reopened. Thus, there is definitely a deeper political purpose behind this.
As I know the higher ups in both Democrat and Republican Party are in one way or another
involved in this (both Clinton and Trump visited his island and I am sure many more prominent
high ranking US career politicians), this could indeed be equally dangerous for either
political party.
However, I don't think Trump needs convincing with regard to Iran he has been all in on
that from day 1 of his presidency and never hesitated a moment to tear up the JCPOA. Bibi was
right when he said there was never a US president as friendly towards Israel than Donald
Trump. His actions have spoken louder than words. So for this case, we will just have to wait
and see what pieces of information they allow the MSM to publish and we will know who they
are after or what bigger political goal is at play.
Something does not smell right about this.
It's not like Epstein was some obscure issue or that Trump was uninformed about the case.
Who would allow a person with such baggage on the team?
And the issue was raised so no possibility it was over-looked.
Congress (including the now concerned repubs) had their shot at him, where was the
indignation?
Looks like people were told to disregard the issue, until now.
Now like good soldiers they are all barking alert.
Looks like this guy was a plant, an insurance policy maybe.
Now that policy has been triggered - has Trump failed in playing his role?
Trumps ex-pal Epstein linked to intelligence. Makes sense given he has Robert Maxwell's
daughter doing the procuring. His was likely a black mail operation run by the intelligence
agency
Trumps other ex-pal (partner) was also linked to intelligence. Bayrocks Felix Sater. I
imagine some of their business practices could have landed Trump in jail unless like Felix he
cooperated
Could Trump himself be a an intelligent asset? Perhaps under duress through his activities
with Jeffrey and Felix.
If so, indeed the question is if its Israels or the US agency, or is there any difference
now.
I don't pretend to know the answers.
Whats the end game?. Comeys daughter is one of the NY prosecutors.Dershowitz is an Israeli
puppet and was behind getting the sealed files opened. Is Clinton and the Dems the target or
is it meant to pressure Trump to go hard on Iran or risk something coming out? Something
else?
I cant help but wonder why nobody choses to remind us about the case filed against Trump
in 2016, where a woman claimed rape at age 13 at Epstein's apartment. Is wasn't covered much
at the time either. Apparently silently withdrawn. Curious no? Not even the so called Deep
State Media that everyone believes was against Trump. Theydon't seem to want to touch it now
either. Maybe its just BS.
Of course, maybe just more distraction as they continue fleecing the bottom 90%
Billionaire, $6 B, Les Wexner, L Brands, Victoria's Secret.
from Wiki
Wexner had a close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, who managed Wexner's financial
assets. Wexner and Epstein parted when Epstein went to prison.[25] Wexner was believed to be
the primary source of Epstein's wealth. [26]
I am trying to link Wexner with the Bronfman's (Seagrams Liquor Family) via a source other
than the Mega Group (which may not be credible, IDK).Clare Bronfman and NEXIVM.
Looks like Epstein was running a high powered honey trap to ensnare Politicians, Lawyers,
Government employees for the express purpose of promoting the "Greater Israel Project".
@fastfreddy - While I hesitate to engage in the ubiquitous Israel is at the root of all
debacles conjecture, I think you might be onto something there. Sure would be interesting
(now or when whatever shakes out of this) to compare the record on votes of importance to
Israeli interests of any politician who gets implicated or indicted with who doesn't.
Protecting Epstein and his clients is secondary. The main goal is to protect his
billionaire, Jewish, sponsors and whatever state sponsored him. The pleabs cannot know that
their gov is corrupt but the bigger secret that must be kept is who is pulling the strings
and how they are doing it.
Regarding questions on Acosta by Jared at #27, here's a 2017 article showing that the
facts were out about Acosta when the Senate confirmed him: "Did Trump Labor Pick Protect
Trump, Rich Rapists, Tax Cheats, Crooked Bankers? Do We Find Out Wednesday?" March 14, 2017.
http://ow.ly/hk8b309Uerm
Regarding MSM reluctance to mention rape of 12 and 13 year olds by Trump, as several
commentators noted, here's a January 2017 wrap up of those matters with leading to other
links: "Welcome To Waterbury: The city that holds secrets that could bring down Trump," Jan.
9, 2018.
http://www.justice-integrity.org/1445-welcome-to-waterbury-the-city-that-holds-secrets-that-could-bring-down-trump.
My colleague Wayne Madsen and I filed a FOIA action today at the U.S. Justice Department
seeking further records.
Our view is that this is an intelligence / foreign policy operation and it's likely that
Epstein's time has run out, an occupational hazard in that field. Further, Madsen and I have
written separate books years ago documenting that all U.S. presidents after Carter -- but not
yet Trump as proven -- have been covert assets of the CIA or FBI before -- stress that --
they entered politics. That's the way it is, and helps explain a lot of the complaints in
comments above. Trump is in his own category of a corrupt stooge -- that's not necessarily
better.
Can recommend excellent 2008 book "Flat Earth News" by longtime UK journalist Nick Davies
that describes the deeply flawed nature of MSM from his perspective as a Guardian and other
UK journalist, who aptly describes why lies and quarter-truths get printed. That's a longer
story but the gist is what many here are suggesting.
After years of study and many many books I believe the Mossad and CIA are one and the
same. The Mossad is very useful when leaving sovereign footprints is verboten--and vice
versa.
"...'Belongs to intelligence' makes a lot of sense. The question is to which one. A lot
of people will says "Mossad" but I don't believe that to be the (full) truth ..."
At the level that Jeffrey Epstein is operating, he is loyal primarily to himself but
happily takes his reward from whichever intel agency at any time offers him the most or whose
interests might prove the most lucrative for him.
And the interests of American, British, Israeli and other nations' intelligence agencies
are surely so entwined that picking them apart is impossible. One thing for sure though: none
of them serve the interests of the nations they supposedly work for.
The function of the CIA/Mossad is to make sure the agenda and the narrative of the Deep
State gets served. In that case one could truly blame Epstein's actions on individuals, or
groups of individuals who dictate orders to the Mossad/CIA.
Epstein reminds me of the Bill Browder affair. And the statement: To know who are the
rulers not which are the ones you are not permitted to criticize. Or somethinh like that.
If indeed they are after Trump as he failed them on 'Iran', then it makes absolute sense that
Dershowitz and Cernovich had the records unsealed as both are strong, strong Zionists and
supporters of Israel. Getting a judge do the thing they need is just a formality. I agree
with some writer above who asked, why the publicity if pressure can be applied in secret
without the media being involved? But this may be the stated goal to bring Trump either
completely in line now or publicly topple his presidency.
I get why @94 Really? and others would be sceptical at this stage but I know strong
powers in the Zionist/Neo-con deep state want a direct confrontation with Iran for myriad
number of reasons (stop the BRI, deal a blow to Syria and Hizbollah, take out Israel's No 1
enemy etc, shore up the Petrodollar), and Trump was still the most likely candidate to follow
through with this, given his proximity to Zionism. So far he also has dully followed through
with everything imaginable, except for actually attacking Iran.
Interesting development indeed. B. Clinton could be collateral damage, at this stage their
power is overestimated in my opinion.
Okay, An "intelligence op," but which one? The Epstein/Mueller link was made several
months ago. I don't see any irregularities in the court judgement to order the unsealing as
it's been ongoing for almost 2.5 years and involves odd bedfellows. Was Mueller even aware of
the attempt to unseal Epstein's case? So many questions!
Arnon Milchan? He was Israeli. Should he be punished, absolutely. But you know who should
be hung? Robert DeNiro. He knew Arnon Milchan was a spy and kept his mouth shut for decades.
He is a POS of epic proportions.
Insofar as Epstein is concerned. It is all about timing. Mueller is set to testify and
probably has skeletons in his closet with regards to Epstein's case. He is likely being told
implicitly via the Epstein arrest to be on his best behavior by Barr, and Barr at this age
probably can care less that Epstein is being sacrificed so he can make his point,
particularly since Barr is probably the 2nd most powerful person in the USA right now.
Epstein was extremely likely an Israeli asset. The Israelis have through political power
and force convinced many in the US IC that their ship is sailing in the same direction, and
that they should be allowed to serve as the US's dog on a leash, and once in a while be
unleashed to do what the US won't. So while he was an Israeli asset, his resources (that is
compromising material) was often made available to the CIA, and thus Acosta was told that he
is an intelligence asset.
The fireworks will start to fly if and when Epstein realizes he is being hung out to dry
and won't be saved. But like almost every other case involving such rich and powerful people,
don't hold your breath for justice to be served in the US.
What does protecting adolescent teenagers from predatory adults have to do with
puritanism? Am I understanding this correctly that you advocate sex with minors as long as
they have reached biological puberty? Never mind their mental maturity? So sexual relations
involving young women is ok what about sexual relations with young men? This has nothing to
do with a false pretentious morality but with the fact that teenagers have not yet reached
the level of mental maturity that protects them from sexual exploitation that will haunt them
for the rest of their lives, never mind their biological functions and ability to conceive or
sire children. It is really puzzling that I even need to make these elaborations in here!
In many ways this thread is as sickening as the subject it discusses. All sorts of types left
and right competing to show that they have the most insight into the forces behind the anal
rape of a 12 year old girl See Andrew Kreig's excellent piece which does consider the horror
of the acts, rather than just whether or not it plays into the particular vision of 'power
politics' each poster invokes). In no instance does anyone express disgust at the actions of
these low life scum other than for the corruption of the pols such as Acosta.
The glee which so many have displayed jumping into this horror story because it can be
twisted and forced into their own particular theory about "how the world really works" while
totally ignoring that these humans who were abducted at age eleven or twelve & then sold
like cattle, now inhabit the netherworld of 'the great society' living in the fringes of
prosperous cities in a ramshackle 'double wide', reveals a psychic corruption not a million
miles away from that of the rapists.
This story is those young boys & girls, anyone who claims to want to use it to force
the greedy rapists and warmongering grubs to face justice, will not succeed as long as they
waste time speculating who works for who and who is really in control.
Prince Andrew still bludges off taxpayers despite being photographed with his arm around
one of his victims, if you're english & really care about stopping this scum, instead of
speculating on which shadowy 'palace spokesman suggested that the
Daily Mail include the line "There is no suggestion that the duke had any sexual contact
at the house, or knew what was allegedly going on there" you will find out how the at the
time 17 y.o. Virginia Roberts feels about her public destruction now (A child the Mail
described as an erotic masseuse - presumably to reduce the horror a normal human reacts to
that pic whilst ensuring the victim is so humiliated she causes no further problem for "the
royal family's" number one arms salesman). This victim first hung out with the andrew sleaze
when she was 17 at the pimp's Florida hell hole where the age of consent is 18.
Concentrating on the effect on victims while protecting them from further harm will bring
the creeps undone - nothing else will. It was only once people began to see past the priests
claims that "the victims led me on" and considered the huge power imbalance that the catholic
church came unstuck.
Most of all without humanity, there is no difference between any of us and the scum we
criticise.
Now, to be on topic, why the insistence that Epstein finally getting outed for real is
some mysterious intel op? The CIA has been screwing up left, right and center for years, so
is it any surprise that one of their major kompromat operations is getting exposed? Their
foolproof plan to install their tool Clinton in the White House in 2016 failed spectacularly
and blew up in their faces, so tell me again how great they are at running covert ops? The
CIA's own version of James Bond gets snuffed by the CIA's own death squads in Benghazi, but
people still think the CIA has a clue what they're doing? The CIA's operatives in multiple
embassies are being incapacitated by freakin' crickets and people think these clowns
still somehow maintain some vestigial link to reality?
No, this is simply another massive screw-up by the establishment. This blind-sided the
Deep State and so much took them by surprise that they were too late to get it clamped down
in the mass media. If Epstein dies before the real dirt starts getting exposed then it proves
me right and proves wrong all those who worship at the alter of the omnipotent Deep
State.
"Cy Vance - Democrat, gave Epstein a pass on sex offender status.
Acosta - Republican, approved plea deal.
Muller - Republican, signed off on FBI closing file on Epstein.
Schumer - Took money from Epstein.
Bill Clinton - Travel.
This isn't partisan. Corruption at all levels."
What's good is that most people commenting on the threads I've read, including
Cernovich's, understand just how deep the rot goes, and that it's not confined to North
America.
It would be a most salutary outcomoe if Obama were dethroned and exposed for the lying
lounge lizard he is. Scales reallyl need to fall from eyes. I am surprised that Trump doesn't
embark on this enterprise with gusto.
Puncture the Obama-Clinton BS balloon once and for all.
I never understood why people claimed Podesta had child abuse links until I read that article. It is enough to make even a
hardened Podesta supporter cringe.
We are about to open up a can of worms that could turn our entire country completely upside down by the time it is all
said and done.
Billionaire Jeffrey
Epstein's
horrific crimes have been well known for a very long time,
and I have been writing about them for many years.
In fact, there were some people that really, really didn't like it when I wrote about Bill Clinton's connections to
Jeffrey Epstein and "the Lolita Express" during the 2016 presidential election. Flight records show that Bill Clinton
took 26 trips on board Jeffrey Epstein's infamous private plane, and Clinton also spent an enormous amount of time on
Epstein's secluded private "sex island" where underage girls were routinely abused. Of course Jeffrey Epstein had lots
of other very famous friends as well, and it has been documented that
his
"black book" was absolutely filled with marquee names from Hollywood, Wall Street and Washington
.
But despite everything that we knew about what was going on,
for
a very long time it looked like justice would never be served.
Epstein got an absolutely ridiculous sweetheart
deal from prosecutors in 2008, and none of his famous friends were ever charged with anything. They all probably thought
that they had escaped the grasp of law enforcement forever, but this month everything has suddenly changed.
In recent days, authorities apprehended Epstein after his plane returned from an overseas trip, they raided his home,
and they formally charged him with
sex
trafficking and conspiracy
Fund manager Jeffrey Epstein used his wealth and power to sexually abuse dozens of young girls for years at one of
the biggest mansions in Manhattan, paying them hundreds of dollars in cash for each encounter and hundreds more if
they brought in more victims, U.S. prosecutors said.
Now, federal prosecutors are charging him with sex trafficking and conspiracy. They're seeking to send him prison
for years and seize that Manhattan home.
The indictment unsealed on Monday against the well-connected financier came days after his arrest upon returning
from overseas and just hours after federal agents used a crowbar to enter the townhouse.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York is prosecuting Epstein, and they don't mess around.
They
win more than 90 percent of the cases that actually go to trial, and Epstein has good reason to be shaking in his boots
at this point.
Maurene Comey, daughter of former FBI Director James Comey, is reportedly a prosecutor in the new criminal case
against convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. This details comes out of a new CNN report. The source is described as
a person "with knowledge of the case."
Will that turn out to be significant?
We shall see as this drama plays out.
In the legal community, everyone has an agenda, and the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York
certainly has an agenda in this case.
But what is their goal?
Why have they decided to pursue this specific case at this specific time?
Perhaps the primary goal is to nail Epstein to the wall once and for all. If Epstein is convicted of all the charges
against him, he will spend the rest of his life in prison. And if that is all there is to this story, it won't be an
enormous national scandal.
However, it could also be possible that the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York wants to use
Epstein to get to one or more of his famous friends, and that is where things could get very "interesting".
Second, what should we make of reporting that Epstein's prosecution is being overseen by the Public Corruption Unit
of the SDNY? Short answer: It's too soon to say. It could mean that a public official is being investigated or will
be charged with Epstein. That could be a minor public figure or a major one. It could mean that SDNY is
investigating misconduct in the plea that Epstein was given in 2008. Or it could mean none of those things.
After everything that Epstein went through in 2008, you would think that he would clean up his life and get rid of all
the stuff that got him into so much trouble in the first place.
But when authorities raided his home, they discovered a
"vast
trove"
of photographic evidence
Prosecutors said a search of Epstein's Manhattan mansion after his arrest turned up a "vast trove" of nude photos of
what appeared to be underage girls. Officials said in court papers that the pictures included some on CDs with
handwritten labels, including "Misc nudes 1," "Girl pics nude" and the names of specific young women.
It has also
previously
been reported
that in the old days Epstein would actually record "the sordid orgies he threw for VIPs at his luxury
homes using cameras hidden in the walls of guest bedrooms", but it is not known if those recordings still exist or if
authorities were able to find any such recordings when they raided Epstein's home.
In any event, there is clearly an enormous amount of evidence against Epstein already, and that means his only hope of
avoiding prison for the rest of his life is to cooperate with authorities.
And as former federal prosecutor Elie Honig
has
pointed out
, Epstein's former friends from Hollywood, Wall Street and Washington should be quite scared right now
We do not know if Epstein will cooperate, but even if he does not, others will very likely be implicated. It seems
clear from the indictment that others helped Epstein run his alleged sex trafficking operation and otherwise
participated in it. At least some of those names will come out in court proceedings, public filings, potentially
trial and perhaps additional indictments. And it's worth noting that the Epstein case is being handled by
the
SDNY's Public Corruption Unit
-- in my experience, human trafficking cases usually are handled elsewhere in the
office -- which strongly suggests that public officials could be under a microscope here. Anybody who helped Epstein
in any way needs to get a lawyer and
get
scared
.
Of course Epstein could choose to sacrifice himself and protect his friends by not talking, but that isn't likely to
happen. In fact,
Jack
Posobiec is reporting
that
Epstein's
lawyers have already made it clear to the SDNY that their client will cooperate as long as he can get a reduced
sentence
SCOOP: Epstein's lawyer has already made a proffer to SDNY. Epstein will agree to cooperate with the investigation,
including giving up the names of individuals that paid for activities with underage girls in exchange for a maximum
sentence not to exceed 5 years
This news comes just days after a judge ordered the unsealing of nearly 2,000 pages of records related to a civil
case that could reveal how he and his accused accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly trafficked underage girls
The documents that will be unsealed are from a defamation case that was settled after Epstein entered a guilty plea
guilty to a single charge of soliciting and procuring a person under age 18 for prostitution.
Records in the defamation case contained descriptions of sexual abuse by Epstein along with new allegations of
sexual abuse by 'numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a
well-known prime minister and other world leaders.'
We will talk about who some of those individuals might be in the second part of this series which I will post later
tonight on
The
Most Important News
.
I have been writing about corruption in the political world
for
a long time
, but this could be the scandal of all scandals.
So stay tuned, because I believe that things are about to get extremely interesting.
rosiescenario
,
just now
There
appears to be a link to our state department and potentially the cia based on the plane that was used. More
should be exposed on that in the coming days.
Basaltie2017
,
2 minutes ago
Where was Secret Service when Clinton was on these trips with Epstein? Did he ditch them? If so,
he should be stripped of the detail because he clearly doesn't need them.
If the detail was with him and observing heinous crimes and did nothing then they should be
prosecuted as well.
vienna_proxy
,
41 seconds ago
(((secret service))) weren't they involved in raping girls in columbia under obama
pippi68
,
27 seconds ago
At least 5 times he left them behind.
HardAssets
,
3 minutes ago
The question is: Will the American people have the courage to look at and face some very nasty,
inconceivably horribl stuff ? (And how about the British people ? This has been going on there too
for a very long time.)
Archeofuturist
,
4 minutes ago
Potential? Sure. But obviously this guy isn't paying attention to how **** actually goes down. In my
lifetime I can count the amount times justice was served on politically connected scumbags like
this on one hand. I'd bet money he walks..... again. He just has way too much dirt on everybody.
TotalMachineFail
,
9 minutes ago
Doom and gloom is suddenly expecting a turn around in the control grid fraud of a criminal
hierarchy?
Somehow unregistered foreign agents without and exemption working in conjunction with the same of
both sides of the pervbial aisle of the fraudulent criminally rigged now no longer existent
JUdiciary is going to expose and round up the long lists including many chosed and put the screws to
them are publicly?
Harvey's story dropped off the front page after about a week.
The investigation is going to have to start from the beginning and be done independently. There's a
lot of criminals missed and many in the Federal fraud that's been eliminated. All are already
expecting consequences for the sedition and treason. Adding the involvement or covering up of sex
trafficking of minors, prostitution, ritual murder sacrifices and more has to be done
completely outside the hierarchy and it's influence.
What a coincidence Comey's daughter is allegedly prosecuting. Wrong.
tripletail
,
12 minutes ago
********! This redo-fake-crisis won't amount to shite, legally. Epstein was the front man for a
Mossad honeypot operation - the results of which were shared with other western intelligence
agencies. Will Epstein be ultimately sacrificed? In a carefully orchestrated public way, perhaps.
Yet behind the scenes, not likely. IMHO.
ya_right
,
12 minutes ago
And what about the parents of these minors that allowed or even put their kids into this danger?
JBLight
,
11 minutes ago
Many of them orphans, kidnapped, or brought illegally into the country. They had this operation
down to a science. Look at Syria. After the war finally calmed down, they find that tens of
thousands of children are missing from orphange
bustdriver
,
15 minutes ago
You don't hide cameras to photo yourself. There has to be a blackmail part of this. Where did his
money come from? With all of the photographic evidence found he is not the only one that is quaking
in their boots...
Let the sunshine in.
vienna_proxy
,
16 minutes ago
sdny is deep state. and now that comey's daughter is working the case everyone knows everyone will
skate free
SmilinJackAbbott
,
13 minutes ago
Yep he then racks his brains for the reason the SDNY are suddenly acting on this. They have no
choice. Thanks to Cernovich the stuff they've been hiding from the public will soon
be
public
& would've exposed them as corrupt cover up artists for a pedophile network.
JerseyJoe
,
8 minutes ago
And he used is own money. Cernovich is a hero and because he is an alt media blogger the media
pimps will never mention him.
charlewar
,
17 minutes ago
Will slick willy, when convicted in this action, as a former president get the upper or lower bunk
in the slammer?
But the MSM will celebrate P*ssy Riot attempting to hack elections in Alabama.
Justapleb
,
12 minutes ago
The first youtube video I watched claiming to be "news" introduced one of the principle witnesses as
a girl who worked at Mar a Lago.
Not that she was being raped by Clinton and whomever on Epstein's island. No, she was a Trump
employee.
Another mentioned Epstein as having powerful connections, like Clinton and Trump. See? One
sodomized her, and one paid her appropriate compensation for the job she did. That's the same
thing, right?
Patriot Eke
,
28 minutes ago
Sex trafficking should be punishable by death. So many young women (and men) disappear each year
just in the USA, and they cannot all possibly be runaways. Plenty of evidence you're guilty of
kidnapping and forcing children and young adults into sex? Stand against the wall. I'll gladly put
a bullet in you. There would be no problem getting volunteers, and bullets are cheap.
JoeTurner
,
27 minutes ago
Molloch and Lucifer would not be pleased if child trafficking were abolished.
And it's not just about the lucrative trafficking. A large portion of these children become ****
"actors" after years of sexual trauma. Thus making the pigs even more money. This is why this
operation has been so heavily guarded and protected.
buzzsaw99
,
36 minutes ago
scandal, yeah right. i doubt it will even make it into the msm. the evidence will be gathered and
destroyed by comey's daughter. like father, like daughter. his crimes in florida have already been
whitewashed. zhers are the only people in this country who even know this is going on. go ahead,
ask someone if they've ever heard of epstein, they'll probably say welcome back kotter or some ****.
Eighty percent of the abuse (caveat: one case of any is too much); wasn't "pedophilia" but more
properly homosexual behavior. That it happened there was your first clue that it was everywhere.
In my relatively small area, there's been something like 8 or ten cases of middle 20's
teachers-messing around with students. If they are boys, everybody says "lucky stiff". My mother
(long, long ago) went to school with a girl who got knocked up by the gym teacher.
Now its organized and promoted.
romanmoment
,
34 minutes ago
Just like "drain the swamp" and "lock her up", I have my evidence based doubts that anything will
happen to anyone. I have just lost faith in accountability in the United States....no, I've lost
faith in accountability in the world.
Here's the thing. I'm as perverted as the next guy, at least the next average American male. I
appreciate beautiful women and if they're particularly enthusiastic about sex then I appreciate them
even more.
But, and I mean this sincerely, I would never, ever physically or sexually harm a child. In fact,
at 53 years old, I look at a 25 year old woman as more child than adult. The people who prey on
children for sexual or physical domination are sick motherfuckers and are not men, I'd kill everyone
of them willingly if I could. There's no rationale, no excuse and no forgiving people who hurt or
exploit children. People like Epstein are rodents.
TheABaum
,
11 minutes ago
I know we just got over Pride month, but digging chicks is normal for males, not perverted.
bunkers
,
50 minutes ago
This will be bait and switch... Start with Epstein. Switch to Trump
Comey is the prosecutor
The judge is a Clinton appointee.
AG Barr and Rosen recused themselves.
The investigations are in Trump home towns, Manhattan and Palm Beach.
Yup, Bait and Switch.
Know thy enemy
,
51 minutes ago
Good article but I did not find the deeper more insidious information that other media sources have
determined was actually going on, i.e. Jeffery Epstein's business was blackmail.
Calling himself a Money Manager gave him the toolbox to invite his wealthy friends to his Island,
get them very fucked up, and then let them have sex with his underage victims. Everyone of these
very important and wealthy people were secretly filmed and subsequently blackmailed, for large sums,
disguised as quarterly payments to his money management firm.
Many of these wealthy men and women are now themselves 'victims' are their own stupidity, sense of
superiority, and misguided belief that they were above the law.
This is going to be historic........
Mustafa Kemal
,
40 minutes ago
"This is going to be historic......."
If you really pull on this thread, you are going to uncover ALOT.
we have a huge, not just pedophile problem, but sado pedophelia industry dominated by the US and the
UK.
Peak Finance
,
1 hour ago
LOLZ
SDNY is where evidence goes to die
Just ask Weiner and the laptop with all of the secrets that just "disappeared"
This case will be closed by Monday, Maybe next Friday the latest
Remember these people investigated 30,000 emails in 72 hours somehow, and then just simply declared
everyone involved innocent, and then dared anyone to do anything about it
dead hobo
,
1 hour ago
So, according to the little black book, Hillary did not find her way to Orgy Island?
Makes sense to me.
Good way to clear an island.
El Vaquero
,
1 hour ago
The little black book was a list of contact information for people. Lots of means of getting
contact info and lots of reasons to have it. A name being in it doesn't imply much. It's the
flight logs of the Lolita Express that people should be interested in.
William Dorritt
,
1 hour ago
NSA if you are listening
If you are not actively monitoring every
Key Elected official
Every Federal Judge
Every Senior Manager at the FBI, DOJ
and others
And key Business Leaders
Failure to intercept the Extortion and Blackmail calls that are coming in is a total failure to
defend the US.
There is little to no doubt Epstein works for a State actor.
PGR88
,
1 hour ago
yeah, Epstein is bad - but I'd rather see John Brennan hanging from a lamppost for an attempted coup
and treason against the Constitution. We won't see justice in either case.
Give Me Some Truth
,
1 hour ago
Epstein will NOT be offered a deal. Whether he "gives up names" or doesn't give up names, he is
going to prison for a significant amount of time.
Those he could "give up" will not be exposed.
I'm not saying that authorities couldn't offer him a deal if they wanted to, they could. But if they
let Epstein make a deal, they would have to also investigate and prosecute all of the men who used
the services of Epstein's army of underage "massage therapists."
Alas, the government does not want to go down this road, a road that would show the world the true
nature of so many of our iconic "leaders."
If authorities really wanted to nab these people, they would have arrested and put pressure on his
top assistant, Ms. Maxwell. They have not done this. Probably will not do this. This tells us they
are not really seeking to "out" any of the Johns.
Epstein alone is the fall guy and perhaps a few officials that went along with that sham plea deal
10 years ago will get some kind of slap on the wrist.
Now, I guess Epstein could still "talk." Write a letter from jail or agree to a Barbara Walters
interview in the pen if the prison system allowed such an interview (which they would not). But even
if he did this, it wouldn't reduce his sentence ... so why do this?
Everyone breathes easier if a "deal" is NOT offered.
ZIRPY
,
1 hour ago
If Eps has proof of sex with underage girls then he will get a deal.
Give Me Some Truth
,
1 hour ago
The prosecutors also don't want to face the charge that they are "making a deal" with one of the
world's most infamous sex traffickers and pedophiles. It's easy for them to not offer such a
person a deal (especially after the "deal" he got last time).
Any "leverage" Epstein had disappeared when he was arrested. My guess is they are not going to
let him out (even on bail) for a long, long time, if ever. He's too dangerous on the outside.
They can control what he says or doesn't say a lot easier in a jail cell.
Even if he wanted to talk at this point, I'm not sure how he would get any words out to the
world. He's kind of like Julian Assange was. He has no real way to communicate with the world.
Epstein thought he had all this leverage and in the end he didn't have any. Actually, his best
hope might be if his former assistant threatened to "sing." He could threaten: You give me what
I want or I'm going to make sure that Maxwell brings everyone down, etc.
But she ain't playing along and is keeping her distance from this guy. And, as noted, she hasn't
even been arrested. She is as free as the breeze.
21st.century
,
1 hour ago
it's a 20yr minimum for possession of any underage , **** images . I had unenviable duty to serve
as a jury member on just such a case .
images in a footlocker of a guilty a-hole that possessed the locker ... piles of pictures ( not
underage , but equally as bad ) stuck on walls
computer HD's jammed with images .... but the criminal images were found too.
keep in mind-- JE doesn't have to implicate others --- if others can be linked by evidence found--
then sdny has only one duty -- to arrest them too.
Anonymous IX
,
45 minutes ago
If I remember correctly, las, the Jerry Lee marriage to his cousin was an enormous scandal. Most
people, in that day and age, disapproved, and Jerry Lee suffered from their censure.
What's the difference between "having sex" and using someone for sex? Here's how Ms. Ward described
the account from her sources:
What I had "on the girls" were some remarkably brave first-person accounts. Three on-the-record
stories from a family: a mother and her daughters who came from Phoenix. The oldest daughter, an
artist whose character was vouchsafed to me by several sources, including the artist Eric
Fischl, had told me, weeping as she sat in my living room, of how Epstein had attempted to
seduce both her and, separately, her younger sister, then only 16.
He'd gotten to them because of his money. He'd promised the older sister patronage of her art
work; he'd promised the younger funding for a trip abroad that would give her the work
experience she needed on her résumé for a place at an Ivy League university, which she
desperately wanted -- and would win.
The girls' mother told me by phone that she had thought her daughters would be safe under
Epstein's roof, not least because he phoned her to reassure her, and she also knew he had
Ghislaine Maxwell with him at all times.
When the girls' mother learned that Epstein had, regardless, allegedly
molested
her 16-year-old daughter, she'd wanted to fight back. "At the time I wanted to go after him. I
mean, physically, mentally, you know, in every way, shape, and form. And the advice I was given
was, you know, he is so wealthy, he can fight you, he can make you look ridiculous, he can make
your daughters look ridiculous, plus he can hurt them.
And
that was the thing that frightened me was that he would know where they lived and could possibly
just send somebody when they walk the dog at night or something around the corner, and we'd
never hear from them again," she told me.
When I put their allegations to Epstein, he denied them and went into overdrive. He called
Graydon. He also repeatedly phoned me. He said, "Just the mention of a 16-year-old girl carries
the wrong impression. I don't see what it adds to the piece. And that makes me unhappy."
Most guys don't "get it." We aren't talking "having sex." We are talking about using your power to
gain physical and emotional control over a young girl, who may think she can handle herself, but
allow me to disabuse of that antiquated notion. No matter how mature or sophisticated a young girl
of 13-15 thinks she is, she cannot in the remotest stretch of anyone's imagination compete against
an Epstein. Once he's convinced her to take off her clothes and do what he desires, she realizes
how dumb she was. I was lucky. I was basically an out-of-control 13-15 (two alcoholic parents)
years old, but I didn't care about money, fame, and material objects. I was just dumb lucky. And I
hated to be controlled. And I was in rebellion against my parents and living situation at the time.
I've had guys masturbate in front of me because I wouldn't give them what they wanted. I've seen a
lot.
Reference Variable
,
1 hour ago
Poor Bob Menendez. Poor Bill Clinton. Poor Tony Podesta.
Who will be implicated first? Who will roll first? LOL!
This is only happening to Epstein now because the Clintons are now dispensable, and none of the
other federal prosecutor abuse could get anyone to sing anything credible against Trump. Epstein
will
compose
not just sing, at the
request of the SDNY.
Clashfan
,
1 hour ago
CONNECTION TO AIRCRAFT SHARED BY JEFFREY EPSTEIN, THE CIA, AND DYNCORP
Voat user Freed0mFighter uncovered a special report on Occurrences: Foreign and Domestic (archived)(original
PDF)identifying the fact that one of Jeffrey Epstein's suspected trafficking aircraft shared the
same tail number as a State department Bronco used under contract by DynCorp. The use of the tail
number can be corroborated by official government records.[9]This would mean that Jeffrey Epstein
trafficked underage girls using aircraft of the same tail number and during the same time period as
DynCorp when they trafficked minors in Bosnia and other parts of the Balkan states. If issued by
some sort of accident or if one of the two planes was decommissioned, the statistical odds of just
two planes sharing the same number would still be over 1 in over 900,000.[10] Special thanks to
User:PeterVenkman, and see also section on Connection to identified criminal activities in Bosnia
detached.amusement
,
1 hour ago
GO AHEAD MAUREEEN, JUST TRY IT!!!!!!!!!
Samual Vimes
,
1 hour ago
They fucked uo the secondary issues in the Weiner case pretty well.
Sp4Ce F@rCe
,
42 minutes ago
Maurene Comey, daughter of former FBI Director James Comey, is reportedly a prosecutor in the
new criminal case against convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
If his daughter has as much integrety as James....Epstein will walk.
alfbell
,
23 minutes ago
They aren't investigating Epstein's whole sphere of activity. Not even looking into his island sex
paradise. Plus, the judge is a Clinton appointee and one of the prosecutors is Comey's daughter.
Rigged.
"... The cover up & sweetheart deal Epstein got in 2008 is very similar in handling to the sweetheart deal Hillary got from the DOJ/FBI in 2016. ..."
"... Epstein helped start the Clinton Foundation in 2005 with $4 million and made continuous contributions in addition to shuttling Bill to Orgy Island 27 times ..."
"... Blaming it on Acosta is shutting down any investigation is negation of the truth. He was too low on the totem pole to cut this deal. He had to have approval from Main Justice. Mueller was FBI head at the time. ..."
"... Sex trafficking of children is a big business in the US & Epstein was involved according to TrafficKing: Jeffrey Epstein human trafficking case by Conchita Sarnoff. ..."
"... She is right. Pretty obvious. If not a state sponsor this punk would have been dead a long time ago. Someone is protecting him ..."
"... Lots of someones. Epstein had cameras in his home. He cultivated powerful people. Got himself on the Trilateral Committee with Henry Kissinger and on the board of the Rockefeller Foundation. Donated $30 million to Harvard & was friends with Larry Summer who was then Harvard president. He held fundraisers for prominent Democrats and donated to their campaigns. ..."
"... Bill Clinton was just one of his powerful "friends". This goes deep ..."
"... So according to Ann, it was some lawyer named Paul Casel (not sure of the last name spelling) that was responsible for reopening this case. So, this has nothing to do with Trump draining the swamp. In fact, it reads that the Miami Herald did more foot work than the current justice department. ..."
"... It is strange. But remember, it's the Miami Herald. Not the NY Times or the Washington Post. They probably didn't fell the need to control the Miami Herald as tightly, and a real reporter slipped through the cracks. ..."
"... Mike Cernovich - a lawyer and independent blogger who also uncovered the Congressional sex slush fund and got Conyers to resign - sued to have the records unsealed. ..."
"... Paul Cassell, former Federal District Judge from 2002-2007 represents some of the victims. He and Brad Edwards, also representing victims, have been instrumental in the civil cases and keeping this alive. ..."
"... Read the whole story from Conchita Sarnoff, an anti sex trafficking crusader who has investigated this story for years and wrote: TrafficKing: Jeffrey Epstein human trafficking case ..."
The cover up & sweetheart deal Epstein got in 2008 is very similar in handling to the
sweetheart deal Hillary got from the DOJ/FBI in 2016.
In both years, Hillary was the presumed Dem nominee and shoo in for president.
Epstein helped start the Clinton Foundation in 2005 with $4 million and made continuous
contributions in addition to shuttling Bill to Orgy Island 27 times.
That could have been
very embarrassing for Hillary in 2008. May also explain Obama's sudden rise by the same
people who covered up the Epstein affair.
Blaming it on Acosta is shutting down any investigation is negation of the truth. He was too low on
the totem pole to cut this deal. He had to have approval from Main Justice. Mueller was FBI
head at the time.
Even after Epstein did time and was registered in NY as a level 3 sex offender (highest
classification) George Stephanopolous, Katie Couric, Chelsea Handler and Woody Allen came to
his house for dinner and he kept thousands of pictures of nude children. Epstein felt
protected.
Sex trafficking of children is a big business in the US & Epstein was involved
according to TrafficKing: Jeffrey Epstein human trafficking case by Conchita Sarnoff.
Dems must know that cartels are trafficking kids for the sex trade over the southern
border.
Berspankme , 34 minutes ago
She is right. Pretty obvious. If not a state sponsor this punk would have been dead a long
time ago. Someone is protecting him
SummerSausage , 20 minutes ago
Lots of someones. Epstein had cameras in his home. He cultivated powerful people. Got
himself on the Trilateral Committee with Henry Kissinger and on the board of the Rockefeller
Foundation. Donated $30 million to Harvard & was friends with Larry Summer who was then
Harvard president. He held fundraisers for prominent Democrats and donated to their
campaigns.
Bill Clinton was just one of his powerful "friends". This goes deep.
MushroomCloud2020 , 31 minutes ago
So according to Ann, it was some lawyer named Paul Casel (not sure of the last name
spelling) that was responsible for reopening this case. So, this has nothing to do with Trump
draining the swamp. In fact, it reads that the Miami Herald did more foot work than the
current justice department.
Trump even stated he knew nothing about the case. Strange that
the media, which we all love to call fake, did its job pretty good this time???
Chupacabra , 10 minutes ago
It is strange. But remember, it's the Miami Herald. Not the NY Times or the Washington
Post. They probably didn't fell the need to control the Miami Herald as tightly, and a real
reporter slipped through the cracks.
SummerSausage , 9 minutes ago
Mike Cernovich - a lawyer and independent blogger who also uncovered the Congressional sex
slush fund and got Conyers to resign - sued to have the records unsealed.
As he got low on funds the Miami Herald came in to assist.
Paul Cassell, former Federal District Judge from 2002-2007 represents some of the victims.
He and Brad Edwards, also representing victims, have been instrumental in the civil cases and
keeping this alive.
Read the whole story from Conchita Sarnoff, an anti sex trafficking crusader who has
investigated this story for years and wrote: TrafficKing: Jeffrey Epstein human trafficking
case
"... Well, one big happy family they all are. I bet there are reunion photos of them all together somewhere on an island. ..."
"... can't wait until uniCRIME Bush Clan is brought down along with uniCRIME Clinton Clan in their Epstein crime caper...oh wait, its all in the wash. ..."
"... The President of the Mukasey, Acosta, Epstein deal?: George W. Bush. "I only hire the best." MOSSAD CIA handled Donald Trump. ..."
"... Mueller was FBI Director then. Do you think he would have passed up the chance for a super informant like that? Mueller's wet dream to have such information on the Elite and Powerful. Epstein certainly was working for the FBI, at least after his first arrest. ..."
According to the Miami Herald, Acosta secretly negotiated with Jay Lefkowitz, a partner at
Kirland & Ellis. Acosta was previously a partner in that same law firm. Ken Starr is
another Kirkland attorney.
MushroomCloud2020 , 1 hour ago
Well, one big happy family they all are. I bet there are reunion photos of them all
together somewhere on an island.
June 12 1776 , 1 hour ago
can't wait until uniCRIME Bush Clan is brought down along with uniCRIME Clinton Clan in
their Epstein crime caper...oh wait, its all in the wash.
Michael B. Mukasey, Eighty-First Attorney General, 2007-2009 Department of Justice,
appointed by George W. Bush.
In 2005, Alexander Acosta appointed as the U.S. Attorney for Southern District of Florida
by George W. Bush.
In 2008 after cutting Epstein deal, Alexander Acosta was named 100 most influential
individuals in business ethics.
Alexander Acosta nominated by Donald Trump 2017, to fill the position of United States
Secretary of Labor.
Michael Mukasey is Rudy Giuliani's former law partner.
Michael Mukasey also was the judge in the litigation between developer Larry Silverstein
and several insurance companies arising from the destruction of the World Trade Center.
The DOJ & FBI operate under the EXECUTIVE; the "President" is the ultimate boss of
them both, wink wink nod nod.
The President of the Mukasey, Acosta, Epstein deal?: George W. Bush. "I only hire the best." MOSSAD CIA handled Donald Trump.
Vitam Impendere Vero
Thom Paine , 2 hours ago
Mueller was FBI Director then. Do you think he would have passed up the chance for a super informant like that? Mueller's wet dream to have such information on the Elite and Powerful. Epstein certainly was working for the FBI, at least after his first arrest.
Savvy , 2 hours ago
Top politicians, adolescent girls, what could go wrong?
Good grief.
Mouldy , 3 hours ago
Epstein - links to elites
Douchbank collapse
China defaulting
JPM/CIA coke bust
These are mostly deep state operations, is there a war going on we aren't aware of ?
"... Powerful elites enabled the financier accused of trafficking underage girls ..."
"... Over the last couple of months, Ward told me, she's started going through transcripts of the interviews about Epstein she did more than 16 years ago. "What is so amazing to me is how his entire social circle knew about this and just blithely overlooked it," she said of his penchant for adolescents. While praising his charm, brilliance and generous donations to Harvard, those she spoke to, she said, "all mentioned the girls, as an aside." ..."
"... Both sides are likely right. The Epstein case is first and foremost about the casual victimization of vulnerable girls. But it is also a political scandal, if not a partisan one. It reveals a deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very rich can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes. ..."
"... In the deal he never admitted having actual sex with any of the girls, and he insists he thought they were over 18, so basically all he has ever got a deal on was acts well short of sex with 16-18 years olds who were paid. ..."
"... Some of them named in the old indictment are now saying they were 2 years younger and had sex with all these VIPs. Doubt it. Still, Epstein's previous admissions mean nobody will believe him if a girl says she was 14 not 18, and he is a tempting target tor civil suits which testifying in a criminal case are a basis for. ..."
"... Cernovich and Dershowitz filed their suit on 19 JAN 2017, 10 days after Trump's inauguration. Obama's DoJ screwed up and the judge ruled in their favor 2.5 years later. Then Epstein's immediately arrested. ..."
"... This RT article reminds us the Republicans tried to use Bill's links with Epstein during the 2016 election, while providing other details. ..."
"... Perhaps Trump is the target? Time will tell. ..."
"... If Epstein was Mossad, then what is arch-zio Dershowitz doing in the trap? ..."
"... Mobster jeffrey epstein's wealth didn't come from being a "financier" ( he is a dull wit w/o market knowledge), it came from his fellow co-mobster , steven hoffenberger , swindling over $650 million from gullible goys in Towers Financial. ..."
"... Possible Mossad connection via Ghislaine Maxwell. https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence/ ..."
Originally from THE NEW YORK TIMES • JULY 9, 2019 • 17
COMMENTS
Powerful elites enabled the financier accused of trafficking underage
girls
In 2003, the journalist Vicky Ward profiled Jeffrey Epstein
, the financier indicted Monday on charges of sexually abusing and trafficking underage
girls, for Vanity Fair. Her piece painted him as an enigmatic Jay Gatsby type, a boy from a
middle-class family in Brooklyn who had scaled the rungs of the plutocracy, though no one
could quite figure out how he made his money. It detailed dubious business dealings and
mentioned that Epstein often had lots of beautiful young women around. But it left out Ward's
most important finding.
Twelve years later,
in The Daily Beast , Ward wrote about how, in the course of her reporting, two sisters
allegedly preyed upon by Epstein, as well as their mother, had spoken to her on the record.
But shortly before the story went to press, Ward wrote, the Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter
cut that section, saying, of Epstein, "He's sensitive about the young women." (
In a statement on Monday , Carter said Ward's reporting hadn't been solid enough.)
Over the last couple of months, Ward told me, she's started going through transcripts of
the interviews about Epstein she did more than 16 years ago. "What is so amazing to me is how
his entire social circle knew about this and just blithely overlooked it," she said of his
penchant for adolescents. While praising his charm, brilliance and generous donations to
Harvard, those she spoke to, she said, "all mentioned the girls, as an aside."
On Saturday evening, more than a decade after receiving a sweetheart plea deal in an
earlier sex crime case, Epstein was arrested after getting off a private flight from Paris.
He has been accused of exploiting and abusing "dozens" of minor girls, some as young as 14,
and conspiring with others to traffic them. Epstein's arrest was the rare event that
gratified right and left alike, both because it seemed that justice might finally be done,
and because each side has reason to believe that if Epstein goes down, he could bring some of
its enemies with him.
Both sides are likely right. The Epstein case is first and foremost about the casual
victimization of vulnerable girls. But it is also a political scandal, if not a partisan one.
It reveals a deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very
rich can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes. If it were fiction,
it would be both too sordid and too on-the-nose to be believable, like a season of "True
Detective" penned by a doctrinaire Marxist.
The funny thing about the Trump quote in the original NYMag article on Epstein is that
it's probably the most honest description of the guy, with a none-too-subtle nod to the man's
predilections.
"The Ultimate Symbol"? I beg leave to doubt it! I suspect that the plutocratic rot is very
wide and very deep and "Kiddy fiddling" which is what Jeffrey Epstein seems to be accused of,
is only a small (and not the worst) part of it. If he "sings" I think there is no telling how
far it will go, but probably he won't and this whole evil mess will slink back into the
shadows and silence, with the active help of the media.
Come to think about it, probably even if he does sing, that too will be supressed.
Ward wrote about how, in the course of her reporting, two sisters allegedly preyed upon
by Epstein, as well as their mother, had spoken to her on the record.
They said they were all over 18 in other words. He certainly had young women about but
Michael Wolff said they ones he say on his plane were visibly late teens or twenty.
No way in hell would someone be trusted with billionaire's money who had ovbiously under
age girls around him and was heading for a plea deal in which he might be under so much
pressure he would reveal his clients' financial crimes . And it is hardly in keeping
with the Gatsby image so important to him. I think he had the young but legal girls for show,
no one saw the obvious children but him. He kept the criminal conduct away from visitors,
especially ones he posed as a philanthropist to. Someone in his position could not afford to
get a reputation for having criminal culpability in anything. He was tax scam artist, and
secret sex offender.
On Saturday evening, more than a decade after receiving a sweetheart plea deal in an
earlier sex crime case, Epstein was arrested after getting off a private flight from Paris.
He has been accused of exploiting and abusing "dozens" of minor girls, some as young as 14,
and conspiring with others to traffic them.
People with his money rarely plead guilty. He admitted guilt to get the deal. The new
charges he is arrested on say he was the only customer or client , so "trafficking" is
quite deceptive.
In the deal he never admitted having actual sex with any of the girls, and
he insists he thought they were over 18, so basically all he has ever got a deal on was acts
well short of sex with 16-18 years olds who were paid.
Some of them named in the old indictment are now saying they were 2 years younger and had
sex with all these VIPs. Doubt it. Still, Epstein's previous admissions mean nobody will
believe him if a girl says she was 14 not 18, and he is a tempting target tor civil suits
which testifying in a criminal case are a basis for. I don't see him as being all that
powerful because money makes you a continuing target of people wanting financial restitution
from people down on their luck and no longer able to make money from their looks.
Getting a
sweet plea deal for those things was just storing up trouble for the future for someone as
rich as him.
Cernovich and Dershowitz filed their suit on 19 JAN 2017, 10 days after Trump's
inauguration. Obama's DoJ screwed up and the judge ruled in their favor 2.5 years later. Then
Epstein's immediately arrested.
This RT article
reminds us the Republicans tried to use Bill's links with Epstein during the 2016
election, while providing other details. Maybe the stories used in the Steele Dossier on
Trump aren't from Russia at all but were collected through Epstein's operation?
Epstein, being richer, gets to act out Weiner's fantasy for approximately the same price as
the fantasy. If Epstein was Mossad, then what is arch-zio Dershowitz doing in the
trap?
"Jeffrey Epstein shipped a shredder from the U.S. Virgin Islands to his Palm Beach home in
July 2008, shortly after reaching a non-prosecution agreement with then-U.S. Attorney Alex
Acosta, maritime records show. Then, in March of this year, shortly after a Florida federal
judge invalidated that agreement, Epstein shipped a tile and carpet extractor from the Virgin
Islands to his Manhattan townhouse, the records show."
Mobster jeffrey epstein's wealth didn't come from being a "financier" ( he is a dull
wit w/o market knowledge), it came from his fellow co-mobster , steven hoffenberger ,
swindling over $650 million from gullible goys in Towers Financial.
I believe nearly all of these ((( "financiers" and "hedge fund managers" ))) are just
money laundering for the massive Israhell mob. Most are operated from offshore banks, without
auditing, I.e. soros' quantum fund.
"... This Tom Luongo guy has the naïveté of a 6 year old. He actually believes that Trump has enough courage and political power base to challenge the well connected high profile pedophile ring where the CIA and the FBI may well have been a principal participant. ..."
"... I've suspected there are two factions in DS, one pushing the NWO death and destruction route, the other more sane side pushing end of empire, conciliation and fixing the homeland. It would explain the weird reversals, half-hearted military strikes, contradictions in policy, stunning non sequiturs that come out of the White House, the crazy then sane tweets, obviously written by different people. We may never know. ..."
"... I'm still waiting to find out what was on Weiner's laptop. ..."
I can see this slicing the Gordian knot in multiple ways.
First, I know someone who does basically what Epstein does, so I get how it works. He's at
a slightly lower level, I suppose, but part of his job is clearly to lure prominent people,
and those on a strong upward trajectory, into compromising situations in order to blackmail
them. He tried to do this to me, twice. I told my wife, at the time. She was somewhat
incredulous (she has met him many dozens of times, as well, and he's charming), but,
ultimately, she agreed there was no other explanation.
I've had time to contemplate all this, and one thing struck me - I still talk to this
person. He's extraordinarily well connected. He's fun to be around, even if I haven't visited
certain locations with him. I would never, in a million years, want him to be my enemy, and
that's why I've never disclosed to anyone other than my wife any specifics.
I'm hopeful it will all come out, as this type of thing has been used to facilitate
corruption, but I also feel sorry for the people whose lives will be ruined, and especially
for their wives and children. For what it's worth, people should go easy on them. I was
lucky. I enjoy drinking, at least enough of one to definitely know how I respond to alcohol.
The first time this happened, I was sharing a glass of ridiculously expensive and delicious
scotch with the individual I referenced. I suddenly realized I was far more drunk than I
should have been based on what I'd had. It was from his private stash, and I'm positive he'd
slipped something in the drink. He'd been asking some odd questions, and had just invited me
to a mansion, in NYC, for a sort of "party" (it could easily have been at Epstein's house, as
we are in similar circles). I was about to agree to go when I realized just how odd the
situation was. I excused myself, immediately ordered an Uber, and abruptly left without a
proper goodbye to get into the car. I passed out on the drive back to my apartment, but the
driver woke me up and I managed to stumble inside and get to bed.
If I hadn't had that moment of clarity, or if there'd been no Uber and he'd simply offered
to have his driver take me home on his way to the party, I could very easily have ended up in
one of those CDs full of compromising information. I got lucky. These other guys didn't. When
their names are dragged through the mud, we should cut them a little slack.
napper , 8 hours ago
This Tom Luongo guy has the naïveté of a 6 year old. He actually believes that
Trump has enough courage and political power base to challenge the well connected high
profile pedophile ring where the CIA and the FBI may well have been a principal participant.
Expect some suicides and mysterious accidents when things begin to get saucy.
The scandal is too big to be uncovered.
YAMAHA32073 , 8 hours ago
Donald was signing along to Mc Hammer, cant touch this!
Trump did F*** all. Epstein has been arrested for one reason only. Mike Cernovich started
a legal case to get the documents on his trial unsealed. It would have looked too bad if the
contents of that hit the headlines and nothing was done. Trump can get f****d
dickbutt down-under , 11 hours ago
pelosi's daughter is unveiling her top twenty fave child rapists.
Good article but as usual, one must seek the lie by omission by Luongo.. in that case it
should be that Epstein is israeli agent and this law suit should brake some shakles from
'foreign interference' is us policies..
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𝑼𝒏𝒄𝒍𝒆 , 14 hours ago
I wonder if Epstein will even make it to trial? My thought is there is, or will be a price on his head. There are too many Elites, with too much to lose, to ever risk Epstein squealing.
Shift For Brains , 12 hours ago
Watch for signs like MSM news stories that say:
"those closest to Epstein say he is despondent;"
"confided last week to a business associate he didn't feel there was a way out:'
"over the last two weeks, he has been observed with a visible shaking and looking drawn
and pale;"
"his investment empire now appears to be collapsing as investors remove their assets
under management."
If you see those types of stories, Unca Jeffy's lifespan will be measured in days or a few
weeks. He'll be found dead of an overdose, bullet to the head or massive (induced) heart
attack.
"So tragic, we could have broken open this case and caught a lot of bad people but now
(sigh) we'll just never know."
ChaoKrungThep , 15 hours ago
Trump is a punk. He doesn't allow; he is sometimes allowed. He follows orders; his own
orders are ignored. Just watch his mumbling about events obviously beyond his ken. He's led
by the nose the whole time. Which's safe. That fool could start a war over cold coffee.
yogibear , 16 hours ago
Photos of Bill Clinton a under-aged girls somewhere? Drunk with power.
Rubicon727 , 17 hours ago
Is this another piece of "journalism" by Tom Tuongo? If so, beware.
He's the same writer
who heralded Italy's Salvino because he had started the domino effect with "Mini-Bots" in
Italy. WRONG!! Luongo reminds my well informed sources in Europe as someone, a foreigner
looking afar at an issue. As a result. Luongo was wrong about Mini-bots.
He's committed the
same OOPS ..... errors, repeatedly, over the last few months.
The guy doesn't even understand how the US Legal System is largely paid off by the 1%
Billionaires, like Epstein, and/or, the judges who have won lucrative positions high in the
court system based on their allegiance to the top 5% super wealthy.
Is-Be , 11 hours ago
Goodness! Is there no hope then? May I suggest nuclear war to rid the planet of all this evil life?
Totally_Disillusioned , 17 hours ago
Make no mistake about Epstein's arrest...he's the sacrificial lamb to get Trump. Epstein
is expendable - he was sloppy and arrogant.
Even if he takes a few Dimwits with him, it will
be worth it if they get Trump.
The Deep State has run out of options eliminating Trump...he's
too well protected, mil intel has tightened up the loose bolts and POTUS favorability ratings
are on the move upward - now over 50%.
They'e tried everything from trying to gin up war with
Russia, Syria, NoKorea and Iran - didn't work. So it's back to the fake innuendo and false
smearing.
ChaoKrungThep , 15 hours ago
I've suspected there are two factions in DS, one pushing the NWO death and destruction
route, the other more sane side pushing end of empire, conciliation and fixing the homeland.
It would explain the weird reversals, half-hearted military strikes, contradictions in
policy, stunning non sequiturs that come out of the White House, the crazy then sane tweets,
obviously written by different people. We may never know.
Smi1ey , 17 hours ago
I'm still waiting to find out what was on Weiner's laptop.
Also, this time of year we remember Seth Rich.
Maybe there should be a vigil.
Drop-Hammer , 18 hours ago
Uh, don't be too sure. The Deep State/D.C. Swamp/(((Elites))) protect their own. Jeffrey
is expendable and will very soon suffer a Seth Rich 'suicide' with two bullets in his back or
have an Acme safe falling on his head type accident.
The idea is that they need to get rid of
Jeffrey, so they can bury away the whole thing in time for the 2020 election. No sense in
having a loose cannon pedo out there causing controversy.
SirBarksAlot , 15 hours ago
But do they need Jeffrey, now that they have the vault of photos labeled with the names of
the pedos participating in the ****???
Generation O , 18 hours ago
Nobody is commenting on the shallowness of sexual allegations as determinative of national
and global policies. Can we please discuss the theft of tens of trillions of dollars for the
elites' survival facilities, inexcusable military waste, and for ridding nations of their
children for oil, Sumerian artifacts, and cozy alliances with thugs who are on their way out
in historical terms?
If you only knew how issues such as paedophilia have formed the
secretive fabric of American intelligence agencies' obsessions as expressed in their
collusively-produced films. What a bloody curiousity to behold impassioned and suggestive
rhetoric regarding allegations of paedophilia when there has not been anywhere near the
impassioned interest in - for example - the annihilation of more than 600,000 Iraqi boys and
girls for oil and Sumerian artifacts. And that number apparently pales - if you listen to
statements by the Speaker of Iraq
's Parliament - to the number of Christian children who have
been beheaded and otherwise slaughtered by America's ISIS terrorists. If it turned out that
Tony Blair delighted himself with teenagers down in the Caribbean (although with the $50
million given to him for the Iraq sellout, he should have been able to buy anything he
wanted), how does that compare to having supported the Bushes in what was done to the Iraqi
people and nation?
They even bombed Iraq's only facility that produced baby products. And
then there was Serbia, Rwanda, Yemen, etc. etc. etc. where American "intervention" or the
lack of it (Rwanda) cost hundreds of thousands more lives for no good reason. But yeah, leave
the kids alone.
We may need them in a decade or two to kill other peoples' kids. The older I
get, the less I am averse to the role of a pariah, watching a nation dutifully satiate itself
with films profiting from Government's cruel crimes.
ComradeChe , 19 hours ago
Epstein will roll over and start singing. There was stash of Lolita happy snaps in his
safe, and likely there are moving pictures-- videos-- stashed somewhere. Given his guest list
on Pedo Island there are likely to be a few surprises.
The question is-- will Epstein even make it to his trial. Whitey burger was an
embarrassment to the FBI, and he didn't last six hours in the General Population. If you
think it was an "administrative oversight" that put him there you are living under the wrong
rainbow.
If Jeffery lives through the next six months, I'll be astounded. In the mean time,
some of his friends will soon be heading for their nuclear bolt holes in the south
pacific.
AKKadian , 19 hours ago
Well I'll be damned. Luongo being objective at least a little bit! It's about the filth in
high places. Taking money is one thing, child rape well that is evil and that cannot be
tolerated.
Stop Bush and Clinton , 19 hours ago
Unfortunately, this is just wishful thinking.
Trump has nothing to do with Epstein's arrest (remember that Trump is also on the list of
Epstein's passengers!). He has been arrested because there's some people in the justice
system who aren't totally corrupted (the arrest happened because a judge decided a previous
judge's verdict was invalid), and Trump couldn't do anything to stop it.
Epstein will either be released quickly with an apology saying the arrest was in error, or
else he'll be found dead in his cell (of "natural causes" of course) before he can spill the
beans on either Clinton or Trump, or any of the other criminals who joined him.
FreedomWriter , 11 hours ago
I doubt that, Epstein's arrest is the latest in a major sweep of human traffickers and
pedos within the US and worldwide. The more they arrest, the more will squeal. And the gloves
are off now. Don't forget Trump's EO from 2017:
The order rightly singles out the national security implications of high-level blackmail
and will allow the seizure of assets. A lot of bricking right now in DC, I suspect.
This was tailor-made to take down people like Epstein, particularly when the blackmail
material is recovered (likely already the case). Expect high-level resignations, arrests,
suicides and worse.
Enjoy the show.
Stop Bush and Clinton , 7 hours ago
I hope you're right, but I don't think so.
That executive order can be read in 2 ways.
Read it as someone who likes Trump, and you see an executive order designed to go after
the likes of Epstein and possibly even Clinton.
Read it as someone who strongly distrusts Trump (I think he's the lesser evil compared to
Hitlery Clinton and he'll likely be the lesser evil in 2020 again, but especially after his
embassy move, his warmongering in Syria, his backing out of the Iran deal [one of 2 things
Obama did in 8 years that I agreed with], his failure (at least so far) to drain the swamp
and lock her up, etc., I think he can't be trusted), and you see an executive order designed
to go after Putin, Xi, Rouhani, Maduro and other foreign leaders the Deep State doesn't like
(it's rather easy to make some exaggerated claim of Russia, China, Iran or Venezuela being
involved in human rights violations, and then apply the EO to their leaders).
I can't tell for sure which reading is the intended one -- of course those who trust Trump
will argue that he wrote it in a way that could be read to be all about Putin and friends to
keep the Epsteins in the dark, and equally Never Trump-ers will argue he wrote it in a way
that can be read to be all about Epstein to keep his supporters in line. Again either side
could be right, so far we don't know what the real intention is.
The fact that Comey's daughter is on the Epstein case makes me think they're out to
destroy the blackmail material instead of recovering it - but of course I could be wrong or
she could have been assigned to the case by someone other than whoever opened it.
I hope there will be a lot of high-level arrests and resignations - but I fear all that
will happen is Epstein's sentence will be reduced to a slap on the wrist in exchange for
destroying the blackmail material and some statement that all the "crazy conspiracy
theorists" are wrong, he never met Clinton, and "Bill Clinton" on his flight logs is actually
a code name for someone else. ("Vladimir Putin thought it was funny to go by the codename
Bill Clinton...")
Boing_Snap , 19 hours ago
Some wishful thinking, but the political hatchet material in keeping Epstein roasting in
this stew of legality makes the most sense I've heard so far.
FreedomWriter , 11 hours ago
When the names start leaking out, the political blowback will be epic. Voters will be
watching who sides with who.
So far only Christine Pelosi seems to be making (stupid) noises. Imagine what will happen
if Bill Clinton is dragged in?
TomGa , 20 hours ago
It seems obvious that this is a big reason why the deep state has been so fixated on
removing Trump by any means necessary and initiated a coup against him. Thus it makes ANYONE
who is or actively supports Never-Trumpers, Democrats, the DNC, etc (McCabe, Comey, Clapper,
Brennan, Bill, Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer, etc., and the entire MSN come to mind)
complicit in the attempted cover up of years of pedophilia and sexual exploitation and
trafficking of minors and possibly of obstruction. Hell, maybe even RICO statutes apply.
"... US gives Israel billions each year. Israel gives some of that money to Epstein for a hedge fund front. Epstein buys island, planes, mansions, power and influence. Hires attractive under age girls for sexual acts with elites. Tapes the sexual acts. Sends tapes back to Mossad. Blackmails elites for money and favors. Sends money and favors back to Mossad. Epstein keeps the vig. Elites just **** their pants. Elites suicide rate increases dramatically over the next six months. ..."
"... Yes, the blackmailing would not just be for money but foreign policy actions too. And it isn't just the US, it's the UK too. Hence both suckers are trying to start a war with Iran. ..."
"... CCI has the goods on a third of congress and the whole msm. ..."
"... I am not holding my breath for your prediction xbkrisback. Appointing Comey's daughter as the chief prosecutor tells a sorry tale. And Comey and Mueller are best buds. ..."
"... Epstein will not give up the big names. Bubba took 26 trips to Pedo Island on the Lolita Express to refresh his tan. ..."
"... The power structure runs on pedophilia. And the horror of it is that pedophilia is just the tip of the iceberg regarding the abuse of children. Where is Carlos Danger's laptop with Huma's huge "life insurance" file on it? You know, the one that made grizzled NYPD detectives puke when they opened it. ..."
"... Epstein outdoes Berlusconi ..."
"... Have another look at Tony Podesta's art collection. http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2016/11/26/sick-lets-revisit-the-podesta-penchant-for-pedophilic-cannibalistic-and-satanic-art/#sthash.6jj0GpQo.dpbs ..."
"... I never understood why people claimed Podesta had child abuse links until I read that article. It is enough to make even a hardened Podesta supporter cringe. ..."
"... Coulter's take on this sounds very plausible, because there certainly was evidence gathering by Epstein. ..."
"... By the way, that was the favorite tactic of the old pervert that ran the FBI ... J. Edgar Hoover. He would gather evidence, then have a couple of his agents pay the offender a visit, warning them to be careful, while delivering the clear message that the Director has the goods on you. ..."
"... If Epstein goes to prison (a real prison) for any length of time, that would negate the idea of state sponsorship, would it not? Conversely, if he gets another sweetheart deal, that would confirm it. ..."
I think I figured this scam out. US gives Israel billions each year. Israel gives some of that money to Epstein for a
hedge fund front. Epstein buys island, planes, mansions, power and influence. Hires attractive under age girls for sexual acts
with elites. Tapes the sexual acts. Sends tapes back to Mossad. Blackmails elites for money and favors. Sends money and favors
back to Mossad. Epstein keeps the vig. Elites just **** their pants. Elites suicide rate increases dramatically over the next
six months.
smacker , 1 hour ago
Yes, the blackmailing would not just be for money but foreign policy actions too. And it isn't just the US, it's the UK too.
Hence both suckers are trying to start a war with Iran.
cayman , 46 minutes ago
CCI has the goods on a third of congress and the whole msm. It's why elections haven't mattered in decades. It's why congress
can have a 9% approval rating and yet nothing changes. CIA has so many offshore sources of revenue now, it is sovereign now.
RoyalDraco , 17 minutes ago
I am not holding my breath for your prediction xbkrisback. Appointing Comey's daughter as the chief prosecutor tells a sorry
tale. And Comey and Mueller are best buds.
Epstein will not give up the big names. Bubba took 26 trips to Pedo Island on the
Lolita Express to refresh his tan.
5 years at Club Fed and a list of names no one ever heard of. The power structure runs on
pedophilia. And the horror of it is that pedophilia is just the tip of the iceberg regarding the abuse of children. Where is
Carlos Danger's laptop with Huma's huge "life insurance" file on it? You know, the one that made grizzled NYPD detectives puke
when they opened it.
HideTheWeenie , 1 hour ago
Epstein outdoes Berlusconi ... Takes bunga bunga parties to the next level - and on the road - in the air - island hopping
Coulter is right ... Nobody in financial circles ever bumped into Epstein. Nobody, nobody knows the guy outside of the teenage
***** connection.
I never understood why people claimed Podesta had child abuse links until I read that article. It is enough to make even
a hardened Podesta supporter cringe.
I need some mind bleach after reading that.
RayUSA , 1 hour ago
Obviously, the more powerful people that are involved, the less chance this has of going anywhere.
Coulter's take on this sounds very plausible, because there certainly was evidence gathering by Epstein.
There would be no reason for that unless it was going to be used in the future for black mail.
By the way, that was the favorite tactic of the old pervert that ran the FBI ... J. Edgar Hoover. He would gather evidence,
then have a couple of his agents pay the offender a visit, warning them to be careful, while delivering the clear message that
the Director has the goods on you.
herbivore , 2 hours ago
If Epstein goes to prison (a real prison) for any length of time, that would negate the idea of state sponsorship, would
it not? Conversely, if he gets another sweetheart deal, that would confirm it.
"... The Epstein case has all the earmarks of CIA protection of an asset. ..."
"... Successful entry into politics requires candidates to first "tag themselves" with a "corrupted and venerable" "CAV" badge? ..."
"... Is the CAV Badge the weapon that has corrupted the intelligence services and stable of politicians in nearly every nation in the world? Did Colin Powell flash a CAV badge as he spoke to UN focus about the most likely presence of non existent WMDs that led to w__ in Iraq? ..."
Journalism. =>has disclosed the tunnel, and a few of its investigators are exploring
its contents, expecting to find at the end of this tunnel Successful entry into politics
requires candidates to first "tag themselves" with a "corrupted and venerable" "CAV"
badge?
Wonder if this has traction in the persons involved in Grace I, the failure of JCPOA.
Is the CAV badge the weapon that has corrupted nearly every nation state in the western
world?
Politicians make promises, and then within hours for unexplained reasons, reverse
them..Hmmm?
Is the CAV Badge the weapon that has corrupted the intelligence services and stable of
politicians in nearly every nation in the world? Did Colin Powell flash a CAV badge as he
spoke to UN focus about the most likely presence of non existent WMDs that led to w__ in
Iraq?
How can CAV badge victims be identified and isolated from politics?
The CAV badge could explain so many USA positive, American negative events?
Gabbard is NOT a member of the CFR. She has by her own admission, attended some meetings
as an invited guest. According to her, it was to engage members and find out what their
inside game is. I don't know if Gabbard is for real. I voted for Trump because I perceived
him to be the anti-war and anti-intervention candidate. Period. So, as I said, I don't know
what to think about the lady. I do now understand however, why some individuals in olden
times became hermits.
beemasters , 22 hours ago
Epstein's arrest tells me he's now out for blood.
Dotard has no control over what Epstein will say. Mossad does and it is the one out for
blood.
Justapleb , 22 hours ago
Mike Cernovich got records unsealed that prove Epstein got away with serial raping and
pimping for elites that were then blackmailed.
It is not because Trump is out for blood. It is because nothing could stop the criminal
conduct of prosecutors being exposed.
The #Metoo crowd knew Clinton was a violent rapist, and sent uniformed, armed officers out
to retrieve interns for sex whie governor. Smoking a cigar while having his cigar smoked by
Monica Lewinsky, while talking to a Chinese official on the phone.
So no, this won't do anything but continue proving how the #Metoo movement are just
leftist hypocrites.
ZD1 , 22 hours ago
"The news is speculative about whether Epstein was being protected by Robert Mueller's
special counsel's office, and why the Department of Justice acted now, given that he's been
problematic for years. There's also his role as a bigfoot Democrat donor, same as Ed Buck and
other perverts who've financed the Democrats. But one thing's pretty clear, based on a tweet
by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's daughter Christine: Democrats knew.
All kinds of Democrats are going to be found in Epstein's little black book of clients,
not just Bill Clinton.
President Trump, by contrast, banned the pervert from his Mar-a-Lago club years ago. So
much for pinning the scandal on Trump as Democrats had hoped."
The photo provides further proof of Epstein and his associates' close ties to the Clinton
dynasty.
Epstein's pimp Maxwell, whose social circle includes members of the UK royal family, has
been named in several lawsuits as the woman who helped procure and transport underage girls
which provided the billionaire massages and ultimately sexual favors.
The Miami Herald has
more on Maxwell's connections to Epstein:
Lawyers for Epstein's victims, in court filings, have often likened Epstein's sex
operation to an organized crime family, with Epstein and Maxwell at the top, and below them,
others who worked as schedulers, recruiters, pilots and bookkeepers.
For her part, Maxwell, whose social circle included such friends as Bill and Hillary
Clinton and members of the British Royal family, has been described as using recruiters
positioned throughout the world to lure women by promising them modeling assignments,
educational opportunities and fashion careers. The pitch was really a ruse to groom them into
sex trafficking, it is alleged in court records.
At least one woman, Sarah Ransome, claimed in a lawsuit that Maxwell and Epstein
threatened to physically harm her or destroy any chance she would have of a fashion career if
she didn't have sex with them and others.
Maxwell has thus far managed to escape charges, but a lawyer for one of the women suing
Epstein predicts she'll eventually be swept up in the sex trafficking litigation.
"The one person most likely in jeopardy is Maxwell because the records that are going to
be unsealed have so much evidence against her," said David Boies, the attorney for Epstein
accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre. "She is in a particularly vulnerable position and will have
an interest in cooperating, even though she may have missed that opportunity."
Those 26 trips by Billy Boy on the Lolita Express are only the ones in the log book. How
many were there that were not logged? Isn't it amazing that the mainline press never picked
up on this. It just shows how corrupt and fraudulent they are. I hope there is a deal and
Epstein furnishes the names of his associated scum with proof. I wonder how many congressmen,
senators, Judges, etc. There are.
And Hillary went to the sex slave island at least six times .
my new username , 21 hours ago
Wikileaks had a Hillary email about Chelsea bringing a young Haitian girl into the USA,
past immigration, on one of those CGI/State Department/Haiti Earthquake flights from Port au
Prince.
8iron , 21 hours ago
so Trump is now deciding who to prosecute AND tell the SDNY to do it? This author is as
retarded as the Left.
Epstein's case is being unsealed. SDNY knew this was coming so as to not look like idiots,
they found some "new" victims. This guy makes most the ***-pedo-sex perverts (but I repeat
myself) look like Rabbi's and he needs his d*ck connected to 'ol sparky but WTF?
Something else is going on...clearly nothing being reported or guessed (like above)
Spectorman , 22 hours ago
There are so many ways for these mutually guilty power rapists to cut deals with each
other and avoid the real rap. Some patsys might get snipped, but thinking this will be the
stake in the heart seems wishful thinking. These guys are busy raping America with an
information/internet/media chokehold and a money printing press. That's probably bigger than
child rape, and it will take more than a federal prosecutor to stop it.
beemasters , 22 hours ago
The author's theory doesn't make sense at all. They are all Lolita Island visitors. They
are friends. Dotard would have implicated himself if he was the one taking Epstein route to
get to Killary. Killary is much more vicious and vindictive and will drag him down along with
Epstein. Dotard wouldn't dare!
There is already enough evidence to throw the Clintons in jail by the private-server case
alone.... if Dotard wanted them them in jail. He really doesn't.
Buck Johnson , 23 hours ago
So true, it's hard to justify ******* and having sex with 14 year old girls. That is why
no one is defending this piece of **** and when he starts to sing it's going to take down
alot of people (ALAN DERSHOWITZ, hate the ******).
I totally agree that this guy has blackmail material on everyone, everyone. A man like
this that was able to do what he was doing for years and still get the president, Alan and
alot of others to go to his private island knowing what he did.
Nope, this man is a dirt bag that thought he had the fix in and he went ham in having sex
with these girls. Not realizing that someone else in power could go after him and force him
to rat out any and everyone.
With this so public there is no way that the fed is going to give him anything light, he's
going away for decades unless he could out people to help his case.
Mr. Barr said he is recused because he once worked for one of the law firms that
represented Epstein "long ago," the report said. He did not name the law firm.
bobcatz , 23 hours ago
Tom Luongo is filtering this event through a deep-seated hope that Trump the Potus is not
too far from Trump the candidate he voted for.
Hate to tell you, Tom, you just got played. Nothing of your estimation will occur. If
anyone goes down, it'll be some insignificant nobodies.
CNN reported this morning that Epstein's arrest ropes in Trump's Labor Secretary,
Alexander Acosta, who evidently was Epstein's Florida attorney who let Epstein walk.
swmnguy , 23 hours ago
No, Acosta was the US Attorney in Florida during the GW Bush Administration, who let
Epstein walk over the full-throated objections of every attorney on his staff. Acosta went
around behind their back, behind the court's back, to give Epstein a sweetheart deal that
raised eyebrows throughout the legal community at the time, in early 2008.
Epstein's actual attorney was somebody else, who wrote Acosta a very grateful letter
thanking Acosta for going beyond even what Epstein's own attorney was hoping for in terms of
clemency.
There's a reason Acosta did that; beyond the insipid excuses Acosta has gotten away with
until now. Just as there's a reason Attorney General William Barr just recused himself on all
matters Epstein; above and beyond the stupid and unconvincing reasons Barr just gave.
SummerSausage , 23 hours ago
Acosta worked for the DOJ and the way Epstein's case was handled is almost identical to
the way they handled Hillary a few years later.
Only difference is Mueller was head of FBI for the Epstein investigation.
Acosta didn't have the authority to give the deal on his own. It had to come from higher
up
j0nx , 22 hours ago
Agreed. US attorneys don't do **** unless the AG tells them to. It's preposterous to think
the SDNY is some rogue agency running around prosecuting who they want. If Bill Barr says no
then they say yes sir. Of course all of this comes from up high. It's either that or Bill
Barr like Jeff Sessions has lost all control of his department.
June 12 1776 , 23 hours ago
A pathetic useless attempt to appease status quo uniCRIME, uniPARTY chimp army.
"But something had to be done to keep our faith in our political and social
institutions intact. Because otherwise that way leads to only chaos and collapse."
Wrong, through out all human history, all criminal, unconstitutional outlaw, political and
social institutions natural law and faith of nature is COLLAPSE AND DESTRUCTION, one way or
another.
bobcatz , 23 hours ago
Tom Luongo is filtering this event through a deep-seated hope that Trump the Potus is not
too far from Trump the candidate he voted for.
Hate to tell you, Tom, you just got suckered. Nothing of your estimation will occur. If
anyone goes down, it'll be some insignificant nobodies.
SirBarksAlot , 23 hours ago
Maybe.
But I think this is the big payback for their failed attempt to impeach him via a
fabricated "dossier." This is the first chance he has been out from under the shadow of that
witch hunt that was supposed to prevent this investigation into the Satanists from going
forward.
He's just playing Bolton and his buddies by keeping them by his side. Letting them think
they're running the show, like they did under Bush, then deciding not to invade Iran at the
last minute. Where is Bolton now? Mongolia? He gives a little with the space program, then
takes away from the expensive, endless wars to nowhere.
That's why the British tanker is stuck at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz instead of
running right though it. Britain royally fucked up.
Solio , 1 day ago
George Washington: "If the laws are to be trampled upon with impunity and a minority is to
dictate to the majority, there is an end put at one stroke to republican government."
September 9, 1774 at the beginning of the Whiskey Rebellion in Western Pennsylvania, from Ron
Chernow's book "Alexander Hamilton," 2004, p. 473
Nunyadambizness , 1 day ago
I most certainly hope that the author is correct, and this vile corrupt sewer in DC gets
weeded out--forcefully if necessary.
We the People have allowed unelected bureaucrats to ru(i)n our lives for far too long,
protected by those who lust for power and who will do anything for it--yes Cankles, I'm
speaking of you AND your former boss Barry Obozo, among dozens (if not hundreds) of others in
the sewer. Protected by a wink-and-a-nod to those in power, they've done whatever they wanted
knowing that they were untouchable. Here's hoping that this is just the first of dozens of
arrests and ultimately convictions of these scumbags and their kin.
Drain the SEWER. FLUSH DC STARTING AT THE TOP.
SummerSausage , 1 day ago
Just a reminder - Mueller was head of the FBI during the Epstein investigation. If Trump
had been involved in any way Mueller would have found a way to put it in the Mueller
report.
turbojarhead , 23 hours ago
I think Kunstler is exactly right-this is the Trump faction counterstrike.
Conservative Treehouse actually caught something I did not in the indictment:
While these items were only seized this weekend and are still being reviewed, some of the
nude or partially-nude photographs appear to be of underage girls, including at least one
girl who, according to her counsel, was underage at the time the relevant photographs were
taken. Additionally, some of the photographs referenced herein were discovered in a locked
safe, in which law enforcement officers also found compact discs with hand-written labels
including the following:
The defendant, a registered sex offender, is not reformed, he is not chastened, he is not
repentant;6 rather, he is a continuing danger to the community and an individual who faces
devastating evidence supporting deeply serious charges." ( cloud
– pdf link )
Notice the young Name + NAME------gee, you think that NAME might be the creeps Epstein was
blackmailing? Hahahahhh
SummerSausage , 23 hours ago
That info didn't come from the indictment I don't think. It came from the letter to the
judge about bail.
The indictment was drawn up to arrest Epstein. The search of his home took place at the
same time as the arrest or just after.
Reportedly, Epstein had quite a few surveillance cameras in his homes. It will be
interesting to know what's on the CD's. Hard to believe he didn't have some "insurance"
tucked away for a rainy day.
SummerSausage , 23 hours ago
Acosta wasn't Epstein's lawyer. He was US Attorney for S Fl.
The Epstein treatment reads like a dress rehearsal for the Hillary FBI/DOJ whitewash -
except instead of just the associates getting of scot-free Hillary did, too. (read the Miami
Herald series from Nov https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
Since Trump hasn't fired him but this story has been circulating for more than 6 months,
Acosta was probably ordered to follow the deal cut at the highest levels of Mueller's FBI and
the DOJ bureaucracy.
Acosta may well know where the bodies are buried.
NumberNone , 1 day ago
The people in the 'deviant' circles got comfortable after the Obama election. They put the
people they wanted in power and the Evil Queen Hillary was guaranteed to be President to
reside over 8 years of destroying their enemies. Life was going to be good. There was no
reason to hide or be afraid.
Look at Epstein, the guy got off with a handslap and was so fearless rather than destroy
his kiddie-****...he still kept in the open.
Now they are in a panic and throwing everything they can at Trump. If you are facing the
death sentence, nothing is off-limits to save yourself.
If you are right or left in your political beliefs and think that this sort of absolute
evil needs to be weeded out then please shut the hell up about Trump or Clinton and simply
demand that no stone be unturned in the pursuit of justice. A golden opportunity has been
placed in front of all of us to purge this scum.
Occams_Razor_Trader_Part_Deux , 1 day ago
Pelosi's daughter:
Christine Pelosi warns it's 'quite likely that some of our faves are implicated' in
'horrific' Epstein case.
What does it say when some of your "faves" are pedophiles?
jutah , 1 day ago
BullFuckinShit. He's had 3 years as President and many years prior to that where he was
aware of exactly what was going on and did and said nothing . Oh, correction, he did say
something when he praised Epstein; ""I've known Jeff (Epstein) for fifteen years. Terrific
guy. He's a lot of fun to be with . It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as
I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
It's too late for that ****. That ship has sailed. These traitors should have been
executed on day 1. All the evidence of criminal activities was well documented before you
even became president. You are a sorry sack of **** coward to let this continue for so long
and in my book an accomplice to it- you and ever other neo-zio-con who went along with it.
Now, youre all worried about your re-election campaign, image and being indicted yourself.
**** off you Orange Clown. Go ahead and bomb Iran as a distraction as your masters order you
to do
Kafir Goyim , 1 day ago
There's video of Trump saying Clinton would have trouble because of his frequent and
suspicious (no Secret Service) associations with Epstein. There is a record of Trump helping
prosecutors going after Epstein. There is record of Trump barring Epstein from Mar a
Lago.
I think you are a little confused ... or engaged in purposeful disinformation, which is
more likely.
Next time, don't quote Fusion GPS. The article that quote came from was a puff piece about
Epstein from 2002. It extolled his brilliance and philanthropy with quotes from the Dem Sen
Leader, Harvard scientists and just about everyone they could find.
At the time, Epstein served on the board of the Trilateral Commission with Kissinger,
Summers and a dozen CEO's of Fortune 50 companies, the Rockefeller Foundation and
Harvard.
SirBarksAlot , 23 hours ago
No kidding!
He really does have a blackmail racket going on there!!!!!!!
WhackoWarner , 22 hours ago
Let's not disregard Prince Andy. (old article from Guardian but still...)
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were running a Mossad blackmail operation.
Rahm Emmanuel was kicked out of the Clinton WH by the FBI. They had a file on him
"Security Risk"...then he got back in with Obama ?
Trump is too smart for the blackmail ****. Roy Cohn taught him that.
BUT Jared Kushner is Trumps Achilles heel. Kushner's father spent two years in prison for
blackmail/extorsion.
ZD1 , 1 day ago
Epstein hung with Democrats and donated to them.
No doubt Epstein found what the commie muzzie *** from Kenya craved?
Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, and Woody Allen are some
of the celebrities who reportedly traveled and partied with Epstein in the past.
Even Stephen Hawking made a visit to Epstein's island.
Props to Michael Cernovich, and then there's the make-up Queen Shep Smith who show's
Epstein and Trump together, Trump banned this Fukk Epstein from his club and the Clinton's
had enough frequent flyer on Epstein's plane to Lolita Island for 2 round trip tickets to
Paris. Shepp & the golden sperm seed piss punks of Murdoch must share something in common
wonder what it is?
JBLight , 1 day ago
As this continues to pour out, I look forward to seeing the faces of the people I know who
voted for Hillary. They voted for child trafficking.
John Law Lives , 1 day ago
This article sounds like speculation, but I am ready to see privileged scumbags get their
due. This has been a long time coming (imo).
BandGap , 1 day ago
This is the opening of the portal to hell for a lot of kids' agonies, even deaths.
Watch the names of the rich and famous tumble out. If you read previous articles you know
that they also seized tapes Epstein was holding of young girls with older men. This is what
fuels the blackmail, and hence the corruption.
The Weiner laptop is also in play with the NXVIUM convictions.
The Clintons remain free and Trump keeps elitists like Ross, Pompeo and Bolton in the
White House. Comey's daughter is one of the prosecutors for Epstein and Epstein is already
claiming immunity. He might go to jail again, he might not. But nothing is going to happen
with the Epstein thing as far as the fall of the banksters. Nothing.
pmc , 1 day ago
I don't think Trump is behind his arrest. I think it's the head NY prosecutor trying to
make a name for himself in order to run for president at a late time! We'll see where this
all goes but my money is on the procecutor!
onewayticket2 , 1 day ago
Trump should be "out for blood" but it's the SDNY...and we KNOW they are "out for
blood"....trump's. So my read is the opposite. The SDNY is never going to do something that
will harm the clintons. The ONLY goal is keeping Trump out of office for these guys. all
roads lead to trump at the SDNY...it's job 1.
evoila , 1 day ago
It's ahead of muellers testimony for a reason.
yaright , 1 day ago
Agree, timing is everything
Snípéir_Ag_Obair , 1 day ago
Pedosadist Elites Panic: Congress Bill Wants To End Child **** In Pentagon Networks;
Epstein Arrested, Files To Be Unsealed On Powerful Clients
America is receiving a hell of a Christmas in July present – a bill in Congress is
being pushed to end child **** sharing in Pentagon networks, and Jeffrey Epstein was
arrested for child trafficking. Additionally, an appeal court ordered that all files
pertaining to Epstein's case of wealthy powerful clients will be released to the press and
public.
Congress is aiming to halt child **** distribution within Pentagon networks according to
a bipartisan bill (The End
Network Abuse Act) that was introduced by Reps. Abigail Spanberger (D-VA) and Mark
Meadows (R-N.C.)
The National Criminal Justice Training Center, one of the groups that has thrown its
weight behind the bill, reported in 2018 that DOD's network was ranked 19th out of almost
3,000 nationwide networks on the amount of peer-to-peer child *********** sharing.
Spanberger described the issues of child sexual exploitation and abuse as "horrific
crimes."
"The notion that the Department of Defense's network and Pentagon-issued computers may
be used to view, create, or circulate such horrifying images is a shameful disgrace, and
one we must fight head on," Spanberger said in statement. (Source:
The Hill )
So... if I send child **** to anyone the entire law enforcement apparatus on planet Earth
descends upon my location with the full weight of every alphabet agency. Yet, when child ****
is trafficked within a government agency we need to pass a bill thru Congress in order to
stop it. WTF.
Nekoti , 22 hours ago
Rules for thee, not for me.
chunga , 1 day ago
That's some pretty wild speculation there, but I hear angels singing just the same.
caconhma , 1 day ago
<Epstein's Arrest Tells Me Trump Is Now Out For Blood> Wrong.
Trump and Bill Clinton were willing participants in these crimes.
Don't be surprised when Trump's name will appear in all legal documents. Remember, the
lead prosecutor is from Demo New York and Epstein will behave no different from Trump's loyal
lawyer Cohen. After all, this case was not resurrected from dead to promote justice in
Americ
Friedrich not Salma , 1 day ago
Do a Youtube search for * Trump BBC 1998 * and jump 5 minutes into the vid. You will
realize Trump will be out for blood. He waits until the right time.
BBC: "You talk in your book about getting even. The importance of getting even. Is revenge
sweet?"
Trump: "I believe strongly in getting even. If someone has hurt you. If someone's gone out
of their way to hurt you. I think that if you have the opportunity, you should certainly go
out of your way to do a number on them."
I didn't believe in the "the indictments are coming from Jeff Sessions" lines, but I do
believe Trump will nail these people when the time presents itself and that time is coming up
fast.
Conservative commentator Ann Coulter says that sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein had a "state sponsor" backing him and that his
operation was a way to blackmail powerful men.
During an appearance on 790 KABC, Coulter suggested that Epstein is merely the front man for a far more powerful network.
"Epstein according to both the girls accounts, he wanted them to have sex with powerful men, come back to him and report on it,
describe what they wanted what their fetishes were and he had cameras throughout the house so this is obviously for blackmailing
purposes," said Coulter.
"It just seems to me something much bigger is behind this -- perhaps a state sponsor -- powerful enough people it just seems
to me there's something a very powerful force behind what's going on here and I am still nervous about this not coming to a conclusion,
somehow this getting compromised," she added.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eNbK-hkZMLY
Coulter said that it remained a mystery as to how Epstein became a billionaire and that the source of his money should be investigated.
Former President Bill Clinton attempted to distance himself from Epstein last night, claiming he only flew on the infamous 'Lolita
Express' private jet four times despite flight logs showing at least 26 trips.
As we
reported yesterday, speculation is swirling that Epstein may give up names of influential people who used his network in order
to secure a maximum prison sentence of no more than five years.
"... Serial pederast Jeffrey Epstein is going to be arrested again. The big questions are why? And why now? I never doubted Donald Trump's sincerity in wanting Hillary in jail. But the reality is that Trump was not in any position to do so. Until a few months ago. ..."
"... Mueller, his staff of hatchetmen, the Obama administration and the rest of the corrupt old-guard in D.C. fully expected to be allowed free rein to convict Trump politically of Obstruction of Justice based on an interpretation of Federal Statutes that could only be justified in the world of Philip K. Dick's Minority Report. When that didn't happen, they are now looking at potential blowback from a vain and vindictive man occupying the supposedly most powerful office in the world. ..."
"... It seems John Bolton has been more president than Trump recently. ..."
"... I was cautiously optimistic that Trump would turn the corner on his presidency now that Mueller, impeachment and the rest of it would lift from his shoulders. His foreign policy maneuvers didn't fill me with much, if any, confirmation of this hope. ..."
"... Because this goes directly to the heart of the matter. Trump left the Clintons' social circle in disgust and I'm convinced he ran to stop her corrupt sell out of the U.S. Never forget that, while corruption is rampant in D.C., it is not all-pervasive. It's not a black and white thing. ..."
"... The level of corruption of the Departments of Justice, State, Treasury and the intelligence agencies needed to coordinate the RussiaGate hoax all to serve as Hillary's revenge porn was too much for enough people. ..."
"... And there are still plenty of people in all of those departments willing to step up now that the board state has changed. Remember back when Trump said we should just leave Hillary be, she's been through enough? That wasn't him capitulating to the Deep State, that was him offering her a way out. He knew then what was going on but thought he was powerless to stop it, politically. ..."
"... And Robert Mueller is up to his neck in this. Because it was Mueller who helped Epstein mostly get off the hook the last time and had the court documents sealed. ..."
"... Even if Barr and Trump have a marriage of convenience here, it doesn't matter. What matters is that Epstein will no longer be able to hide behind Clinton bag men and will this time have to cut a real deal to stay out of gen pop. ..."
"... This Epstein arrest is a testament to what happens when the pendulum swings too far in one direction. Where despicable people get away with the most heinous acts simply because they are connected in a web of corruption and venality. ..."
"... Maybe this is the moment of Peak Swamp? Maybe it's the moment where we can see things begin, ever so slightly to improve. Is it too little, too late? Likely. But something had to be done to keep our faith in our political and social institutions intact. Because otherwise that way leads to only chaos and collapse. ..."
"Bernie Birnbaum is a horse of a different color, ethics-wise that is...
...as in he ain't got none!"
-- Johnny Caspar, "Miller's Crossing"
Serial pederast Jeffrey Epstein is going to be arrested again. The big questions are why? And why now? I never doubted Donald Trump's sincerity in wanting Hillary in jail. But the reality is that Trump was not in any position to
do so. Until a few months ago.
When Attorney General William Barr ended the Mueller investigation back in February that was a turning point. I talked about
it back then in a piece called "
The Old Political Order is Just
Old ."
Mueller, his staff of hatchetmen, the Obama administration and the rest of the corrupt old-guard in D.C. fully expected to
be allowed free rein to convict Trump politically of Obstruction of Justice based on an interpretation of Federal Statutes that
could only be justified in the world of Philip K. Dick's Minority Report. When that didn't happen, they are now looking at potential blowback from a vain and vindictive man occupying the supposedly
most powerful office in the world.
But is that really the case anymore? It seems John Bolton has been more president than Trump recently.
I was cautiously optimistic that Trump would turn the corner on his presidency now that Mueller, impeachment and the rest of
it would lift from his shoulders. His foreign policy maneuvers didn't fill me with much, if any, confirmation of this hope.
But domestically signs were there that he had stabilized the battlefield.
Epstein's arrest tells me he's now out for blood.
Because this goes directly to the heart of the matter. Trump left the Clintons' social circle in disgust and I'm convinced he
ran to stop her corrupt sell out of the U.S. Never forget that, while corruption is rampant in D.C., it is not all-pervasive. It's not a black and white thing.
William Barr may not be a Boy Scout or anything but even he, like Trump,
has a disgust circuit.
And that circuit has a threshold.
The level of corruption of the Departments of Justice, State, Treasury and the intelligence agencies needed to coordinate the
RussiaGate hoax all to serve as Hillary's revenge porn was too much for enough people.
And there are still plenty of people in all of those departments willing to step up now that the board state has changed. Remember back when Trump said we should just leave Hillary be, she's been through enough? That wasn't him capitulating to the
Deep State, that was him offering her a way out. He knew then what was going on but thought he was powerless to stop it, politically.
To go after her you go after the person who is her Achilles' heel, Epstein through his association with Bill. Because what if
this isn't just about Bill's antics? But this is more than just Hillary and Bill. This is likely far deeper a rabbit hole than anyone in D.C. wants to admit. Don't think for a second that Epstein hasn't been
blackmailing very prominent people for years. Because he has. And they are all now scared to death.
And Robert Mueller is up to his neck in this. Because it was Mueller who helped Epstein mostly get off the hook the last time
and had the court documents sealed.
Now that Mike Cernovich worked to get those documents unsealed, we have an arrest warrant a week later by a Justice Department
led by someone, at this point, loyal to Trump.
Even if Barr and Trump have a marriage of convenience here, it doesn't matter. What matters is that Epstein will no longer be able to hide behind Clinton bag men and will this time have to cut a real deal
to stay out of gen pop.
This process will be slow and painful, but it will grind to the kind of conclusion that will only benefit Trump's re-election
bid. It will be an epic drip feed of leaks, innuendos, implications, indictments and the rest.
Because there comes a point where the Alinsky method of accusing your enemy of the thing you do backfires when it's raping 14-year-old
girls.
Once this thing gets a head of steam, once the #MeToo crowd gets a hold of this, there won't be anyone left standing. I always
said Hillary would indict herself. Her insane lust for power and revenge against her obstacles led us here. And it will lead her
to the kind of shame and disgrace that befits her avarice.
When Nancy Pelosi's daughter is out there
signaling for her mother on this immediately, you know this is bad. Pelosi doesn't roll over for nothing folks. Think what you want
about her but she's a pitbull. And she rolled over on border wall funding last week.
This Epstein arrest is a testament to what happens when the pendulum swings too far in one direction. Where despicable people
get away with the most heinous acts simply because they are connected in a web of corruption and venality.
Maybe this is the moment of Peak Swamp? Maybe it's the moment where we can see things begin, ever so slightly to improve.
Is it too little, too late? Likely. But something had to be done to keep our faith in our political and social institutions intact.
Because otherwise that way leads to only chaos and collapse.
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Poor old Aldous Huxley. In other circumstances, his name would be all over the place today, the 50th anniversary of his death.
Yet, just moments after his demise, the Brave New World author had the misfortune, if that's the right word, of becoming a key
member of the "eclipsed celebrity death club".
Huxley died at 5:20pm, London time, on 22 November 1963. About ten minutes later, CS Lewis died. Just under an hour after that,
of course, JFK was shot and killed in Dallas. There may never have been a deadlier 70 minutes for celebrity
A book has been written about these three deaths on the same day by Peter Kreeft. He imagines them talking together in the heavens.
Fifty years ago, three great men died within a few hours of each other: C. S. Lewis, John F. Kennedy and Aldous Huxley. In
1982, philosophy professor Peter Kreeft imagined the three of them in conversation after their deaths.
Positioning Lewis as a proponent of ancient Western theism, Kennedy as a modern Western humanist, and Huxley as an ancient Eastern
pantheist, Kreeft wrote a conversational book entitled Between Heaven and Hell: A Dialog Somewhere Beyond Death with John F.
Kennedy, C. S. Lewis & Aldous Huxley. "
Aldous Huxley said something that points exactly what happening in the world now. We are lead by a wild species. The Zios don't
want to be domesticated by freedom of speech. Spare the rod ( of freedom of speech) spoil the child. The Zios want to be wild forever.
They want to do whatever they want on earth with no scolding feedback.
This question and answer talk was at Berkeley Univ. on March
20 1962. This fear of being domesticated is why the ADL went crazy on 6/6/19, closing down websites and videos all over the internet.
Another point which was made by Sir Charles Darwin in his book "The Next Million Years" which I think was one would with
in different terms .
I envisaged in brave new world .I mean here
he points out that the human species is still a wild species, it has never been domesticated .
I mean domesticated species is
one which has been tamed by another species. Well, until we get an invasion from Mars we shall not be tamed by another species.
All we can do is to try to tame ourselves.
An oligarchy tries to tame ourselves but the oligarchy still remains wild. I mean
however much it succeeded in taming the domesticating the rest of the race it from it must remain wild. And this was the part
of the fable the dramatic part of the fable of brave new world is that the people in the upper hierarchy who were not ruthlessly
conditioned could break down.
I mean this Charles Darwin insists that because man is wild he can never expect to domesticate
himself because the people on top would always be undomesticated sooner or later always run wild. I think there's a good deal
to be said for this this point of view in in regard to the permanence of any dictatorship. "
"... And how many congresspeople served in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many presidential candidates had boots on the ground in combat theaters? The answer is one. Here is the moral decay of America's ruling elites boiled down to a single word. ..."
Here is the
moral decay of America's ruling elites
boiled down to a single
word.
There are many reasons why Imperial Rome declined, but two primary causes that get
relatively little attention are moral decay and soaring wealth inequality.
The two are of
course intimately connected: once the morals of the ruling Elites degrade,
what's mine is mine
and what's yours is mine, too.
I've previously covered two other key characteristics of an empire in terminal decline:
complacency and intellectual sclerosis, what I have termed a failure of imagination.
Michael Grant described these causes of decline in his excellent account
The
Fall of the Roman Empire
, a short book I have been recommending since 2009:
There was no room at all, in these ways of thinking, for the novel, apocalyptic situation
which had now arisen, a situation which needed solutions as radical as itself.
(The
Status Quo) attitude is a complacent acceptance of things as they are, without a single new
idea.
This acceptance was accompanied by greatly excessive optimism about the present and
future. Even when the end was only sixty years away, and the Empire was already crumbling fast,
Rutilius continued to address the spirit of Rome with the same supreme assurance.
This blind adherence to the ideas of the past ranks high among the principal
causes of the downfall of Rome.
If you were sufficiently lulled by these traditional
fictions, there was no call to take any practical first-aid measures at all.
Glenn Stehle, commenting on a thread in the excellent website
peakoilbarrel.com
(operated
by the estimable Ron Patterson) made a number of excellent points that I am taking the liberty of
excerpting: (with thanks to correspondent Paul S.)
The set of values developed by the early Romans called mos maiorum, Peter Turchin
explains in
War
and Peace and War: The Rise and Fall of Empires
, was gradually replaced by one of personal
greed and pursuit of self-interest.
"Probably the most important value was virtus (virtue), which derived from the
word vir (man) and embodied all the qualities of a true man as a member of society," explains
Turchin.
"Virtus included the ability to distinguish between good and evil and to act in ways that
promoted good, and especially the common good. Unlike Greeks, Romans did not stress individual
prowess, as exhibited by Homeric heroes or Olympic champions. The ideal of hero was one whose
courage, wisdom, and self-sacrifice saved his country in time of peril," Turchin adds.
And as Turchin goes on to explain:
"Unlike the selfish elites of the later periods, the aristocracy of the early Republic
did not spare its blood or treasure in the service of the common interest. When 50,000 Romans, a
staggering one fifth of Rome's total manpower, perished in the battle of Cannae, as mentioned
previously, the senate lost almost one third of its membership.
This suggests that the
senatorial aristocracy was more likely to be killed in wars than the average citizen...
The wealthy classes were also the first to volunteer extra taxes when they were needed A
graduated scale was used in which the senators paid the most, followed by the knights, and then
other citizens. In addition, officers and centurions (but not common soldiers!) served without
pay, saving the state 20 percent of the legion's payroll...
The richest 1 percent of the Romans during the early Republic was only 10 to 20
times as wealthy as an average Roman citizen."
Now compare that to the situation in Late Antiquity when
"an average Roman noble of senatorial class had property valued in the neighborhood of
20,000 Roman pounds of gold. There was no 'middle class' comparable to the small landholders of
the third century B.C.; the huge majority of the population was made up of landless peasants
working land that belonged to nobles. These peasants had hardly any property at all, but if we
estimate it (very generously) at one tenth of a pound of gold, the wealth differential would be
200,000! Inequality grew both as a result of the rich getting richer (late imperial senators
were 100 times wealthier than their Republican predecessors) and those of the middling wealth
becoming poor."
Do you see any similarities with the present-day realities depicted in these charts?
And how many congresspeople served in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many
presidential candidates had boots on the ground in combat theaters? The answer is one.
Here
is the moral decay of America's ruling elites boiled down to a single word.
"... Jeffrey Epstein's story is similarly abusive. The convicted sex offender prostituted dozens of underage girls and should have spent the rest of his life in jail. Again this is no 'one-off' abuse of an underage child, he was a serial sex predator. ..."
"... According to Joseph Recarey, the lead Palm Beach detective on the case, Epstein was essentially operating a "sexual pyramid scheme." ..."
"... The Vox writes that the girls and women who reported abuse by Epstein, meanwhile, were markedly powerless. Most of them "came from disadvantaged families, single-parent homes or foster care, Many of the girls were one step away from homelessness." ..."
Jeffrey Epstein's story is similarly abusive. The convicted sex offender prostituted dozens of underage girls and should have
spent the rest of his life in jail. Again this is no 'one-off'
abuse of an underage child, he was a serial sex predator.
According to Joseph Recarey, the lead Palm Beach detective on the case, Epstein was essentially operating a "sexual pyramid scheme."
The Vox
writes that the girls and women who reported abuse by Epstein, meanwhile, were markedly powerless. Most of them "came from disadvantaged
families, single-parent homes or foster care, Many of the girls were one step away from homelessness."
In November 2017 the genius comedian Larry David was criticized in the
Jewish press for admitting on Saturday Night Live that many of those
accused of sexual harassment in Hollywood are Jewish.
... Alan Dershowitz , who was a member
of Epstein's legal team and was later accused by one of the victims' lawyers of himself participating in the
sex trafficking ring .
Portland, OR -- A former top level Walt Disney executive was sentenced to prison this month
for nearly seven years for child rape. Michael Laney, 73, who was the Vice President of Walt
Disney was found guilty of four counts of first-degree sexual abuse and sentenced to 81 months
in prison.
After the sentencing, Laney's attorneys pleaded with the judge to suspend the sentence,
claiming that Laney's wife would suffer if her husband goes to jail.
According to
Oregon Live
, Laney's wife's doctor, Blain Crandell, submitted a letter on Laney's behalf,
saying his wife "could be expected to suffer serious consequences to her health and well-being"
without an in-home caregiver, a role her husband had been filling.
Thankfully, the judge and district attorney did not see it that way. In response to this
request, Multnomah County Deputy District Attorney Charles Mickley called the claims
"peculiarly offensive and insulting."
"Defendant wholly ignores the compelling evidence of his guilt presented at trial, including
the evidence of his longstanding sexual interest in children," Mickley wrote.
Laney will also have to serve an additional 120 months of probation after prison, pay a
$4,000 fine, and register as a sex offender.
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8h
Pedophilia is the link between all these Hollyweird freaks and politics as well. I
believe they are all lured into being compromised and dirt kept on them all collectively,
in order to use them and manipulate them and gain control over society.
This is a very
difficult article for me to write.
As a young child I was a member of the Cub Scouts, and
I still have very fond memories from those days.
Throughout my life I always had a
tremendous amount of respect for the Boy Scouts, and so it greatly saddened me to learn about the
abuse that has been running rampant in that organization. Of course
this is just a very
small part of a much larger trend that is plaguing our society
, but if this kind of abuse
is pervasive even among the Boy Scouts,
what organization is truly safe for America's
kids?
Have we gotten to the point as a society where our children are literally not safe
anywhere?
According to
ABC
News
, court documents that were just released indicate that 12,254 victims were abused by 7,819
Boy Scout troop leaders over the years
An expert who has been working with the Boy Scouts revealed that there may have been as many
as 7,819 allegedly sexually abusive troop leaders and volunteers in the storied organization,
according to newly released court documents.
More than 7,800 individuals allegedly abused 12,254 victims, according to the court
testimony.
This is what can happen when a society has absolutely no moral foundation whatsoever.
These days, many Americans seem to believe that our country will be turned in the right direction
if we can just get the correct political leaders into place, but that is not true at all.
No political solution is going to fix this kind of evil.
Our core problems are
moral and spiritual in nature, and most people don't seem to understand that.
A lawyer named Jeff Anderson is searching for even more Boy Scout victims, and he says that his
firm has already identified
130
perpetrators in New York and 50 in New Jersey
According to
ABC
News
, court documents that were just released indicate that 12,254 victims were abused by 7,819
Boy Scout troop leaders over the years
An expert who has been working with the Boy Scouts revealed that there may have been as many
as 7,819 allegedly sexually abusive troop leaders and volunteers in the storied organization,
according to newly released court documents.
More than 7,800 individuals allegedly abused 12,254 victims, according to the court
testimony.
This is what can happen when a society has absolutely no moral foundation whatsoever.
These days, many Americans seem to believe that our country will be turned in the right direction
if we can just get the correct political leaders into place, but that is not true at all.
No political solution is going to fix this kind of evil.
Our core problems are
moral and spiritual in nature, and most people don't seem to understand that.
"Nothing is more important than the
safety and protection of children in
Scouting." The courts had to let the
fags in as Scout Masters, so who is
surprised?
Our handlers have romanticized
deviancy to the point that these
people cannot be called out. We
have been weighed in the balance
and found lacking. The good,
the bad and the ugly will be
swept away with what is coming.
Are you really stupid enough to
think that homosexual paedophiles
never got into positions of
authority in the scouts until the
scouts permitted openly gay scout
leaders?
You should be thankful
that you were an ugly kid -
that's the only way you would
have escaped their clutches, if
you're this naïve as an adult.
Paedophiles have always
been attracted to any job that
involves close unsupervised
contact with children
.
Anyone in that sort of job
should always be immediately
suspect: paedophiles are very
rare in the broad population,
but they're not rare in
professions that involve close,
unsupervised contact with kids.
52 years ago I went to Boy Scout
Camp outside of Rhinelander, WI.
On the third night a scoutmaster,
who I didn't know, woke me up around
11:30 pm to go to the Deer Field to
look at stars. Being a smart ***, I
said, "Oh, I went with the other
group and we just got back." The
next day I was on the next bus outta
there. Told 'em my brother was
coming back from Viet Nam ( which
was almost true).
So basically, no surprise. I
would've been safer and had more fun
with better stories to tell spending
the night with Harvey Weinstein.
Just like a spider builds his web around the light, the homosexual
infiltrates places where he can have private access to boys –
including the priesthood and the boy scouts.
This is similar to
the way the heterosexual gets a job as like, a lifeguard at a
beach in Miami, or joins a rock band.
I have no idea why people wouldn't simply assume that huge
numbers of homosexuals would be signing up for to be Boy Scout
Scout Masters, and why they didn't control for that – for
instance, not allowing them to join unless they were married with
kids, or had otherwise proved they were not faggots.
But then the decision to just allow open faggots – that is
just it is just unfathomable.
How did we create a society that puts political correctness and
the alleged emotions of pederasts above the safety of our
children?
Who is responsible for this?
MOST IMPORTANTLY
These faggots ARE NOT ******* PEDOPHILES!
THEY ARE HOMOSEXUALS!
"Pedophile" is a specific term that means sexual attraction to
prepubescent children. Boy Scouts are pubescent boys in their
early teens.
THIS IS NORMAL HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR.
During the Catholic Church pederasty scandal, they started
talking about "pedophiles" instead of homosexuals, as an attempt
to distinguish between "good homos" and "bad homos."
BUT ALL HOMOSEXUAL HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR YOUNG TEENAGE BOYS!
THAT IS WHAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS!
THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF "GOOD HOMO" AND THAT IS THE KIND THAT
IS FLYING THROUGH THE AIR AFTER HAVING BEEN THROWN OFF A ROOF!
"Assange was reduced from one of the few towering figures of our time – a man who will
have a central place in history books, if we as a species live long enough to write those
books "
-- The presstituting crowd of stenographers (MSM) and the zionized X-tian war profiteers
have made everything in their power (inadvertently) to ensure that Assange is and will be a
towering figure of our time.
Even in distress, Assange has been fighting for truth and dignity; the ongoing show of
lawlessness exposes the rot. The moral and creative midgets constituting the core of MSM and
the satanic deciders are upset. Good!
The idiotic Senior District "Judge" Emma Arbuthnot (a wife and beneficiary of a mega-war
profiteer Lord Arbuthnot -- Arbuthnot served as Chairman of the Defence Select Committee from
2005 to 2014) and the no less idiotic District "Judge" Michael Snow have entered the history
books as well. As scoundrels: http://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/msg/1555064882.html
Snow does his best to bring the Judiciary into disrepute by playing to the gallery. He
comments on the extradition in the same vein in a totally unprofessional manner. He is of
course in a long line of disreputable members of the judiciary Snow's place in history is
now secured – he chose to abuse the defendant rather than perform his role which was
really quite straightforward. He is the narcissist and guilty of self interest not Julian
Assange.
@Si1ver1ock For every pronouncement against Assange by the US/UK government and
judiciary, there should be an immediate question about the leniency shown towards the
pedophiles and rapists in the UK (see Savile and the sudden "disappearance" of files re the
high-placed pedophiles) and the story of Lolita Island and Lolita Express in the US.
One of the hurdles in investigating the claims is the Official Secrets Act, which
prevents the disclosure of state secrets and "sensitive" information. "It is clear there
are a lot of people who could provide a lot of information to support ongoing criminal
investigations But they are not doing so because of the Official Secrets Act. They are
fearful of not only breaking the law but the potential effect on their pension. This is
absolutely crucial if we are to get some of these ex-officers coming forward and to get
prosecutions of some of the former MPs." He has asked Home Secretary Theresa May to
lift the restrictions, allowing former officials to speak up about what they know about the
case, but so far there is no indication that this has been done.
The protection of the high-placed pedophiles and rapists in the US:
In the Epstein case, as well, there are numerous questions surrounding the possibility
of high-level cover up. In recent weeks it has emerged that Epstein struck a remarkable
secret deal with the US Attorney's Office that barred more than 500 pages of documents
detailing negotiations of the deal and a staggering 13,000 documents from the investigation
into Epstein's activities that were shelved as a result of the bargain.
Let the scoundrels talk about Assange to see how the concocted fraud is backfired.
Mrs. Clinton in particular should have been more circumspect:
It has since been revealed that Epstein had 21 different phone numbers for contacting
his friend Bill Clinton, who, court records allege, "frequently flew" on Epstein's private
jet between 2002 and 2005.
Also, perhaps you need to ponder why you are not treated the same way as the courageous,
talented, principled, and dignified Assange is treated. Perhaps, something is missing in your
character.
The documents are thought to shed light on the years of ongoing pedophilia and child
abuse within Westminster and contained names of "several" high-level politicians in the UK
and US who are connected to an elite pedophile ring.
In the case of the Westminster "pedophile ring," the mounting sentiment that Britain's
establishment serves its own interests and conceals its wrongdoing may be well founded.
Until recently only seven police officers were working on Operation Fernbridge; Scotland
Yard announced today the figure is now 22.
By fraudulently accusing Assange, Theresa May reminds the world about her role in the
protection of the wealthy and influential Westminster pedophiles (the real rapists).
"... Jared Kushner is 36 and he had already stepped up to a senior position in his family's real estate business Kushner Companies. This was in part because daddy Charles Kushner was in jail. But now that he has taken on a job as White House advisor to President Trump, Jared Kushner has been forced to step aside from Kushner Companies and his father Charles Kushner is stepping back in. ..."
"... So Charles Kushner, father of current Presidential advisor Jared Kushner and son in law to the President has been convicted on federal election fraud charges and witness tampering. ..."
"... Well Larry Noble, general counsel for the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan organization focused on election laws, put it best when he told Bloomberg , "It can't hurt to be doing business with Jared Kushner's family. It's a road to the administration. At the very least they're going to have an inside track." ..."
Jared Kushner's father , Charles Kushner, who also just
so happens to be a convicted felon, has gotten back to work. He has also hired some of the people who he did time with.
In 2004 , after already paying a $508,900
fine to the Federal Election Commission for improperly contributing money to political candidates, Charles Kushner was forced to
agree to a plea bargain with Federal prosecutors and was sentenced to 14 months in a federal prison in Montgomery, Alabama. The charges
against Kushner revolved around illegal campaign contributions and witness tampering. Charles Kushner had arranged for a prostitute
to sleep with his brother in law William Schulder, who had agreed to testify against him. The encounter was filmed and Kushner used
it to try and blackmail Schulder. Gross!
The federal prosecutor who handled the case was none other than future New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Christie later worked
side by side on Donald Trump's presidential campaign with Jared Kushner, the son in law of the President Trump who just so happens
to also be the son of Charles Kushner.
Jared Kushner is 36 and he had already stepped up to a senior position in his family's real estate business Kushner Companies.
This was in part because daddy Charles Kushner was in jail. But now that he has taken on a job as White House advisor to President
Trump, Jared Kushner has been forced to step aside from Kushner Companies and his father Charles Kushner is stepping back in.
Did you follow all of that?
At the time Chris Christie stated about the charges, "There is nothing, nothing more sacrosanct than the integrity of the grand
jury system."
Apparently prison is a good place to make business connections.
Avram Lebor and Richard Goettlich are two former convicts who served prison time with Charles Kushner who are now working for
Kushner Companies. Bloomberg reports that the two men were convicted in separate fraud schemes. Lebor, 68, served seven years
in prison and is now the firm's director of acquisitions. Goettlich served ten years in jail for his part in a ponzi scheme.
The two men were hired as part of the Kushner Companies' second-chance program. Charles Kushner is board member of Getting Out
& Staying Out, which mentors young inmates at Rikers Island.
So Charles Kushner, father of current Presidential advisor Jared Kushner and son in law to the President has been convicted
on federal election fraud charges and witness tampering.
The big question now that everyone is still asking about his son Jared is whether or not he will be able to separate his new job
working for the people of the United States from his business interests, or if there will be conflicts of interest. And will doing
business with Kushner Companies make it easier for you to get access to the White House?
Well Larry Noble, general counsel for the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan organization focused on election laws, put
it best when he told Bloomberg , "It can't hurt to be doing business with Jared Kushner's family. It's a road to the administration.
At the very least they're going to have an inside track."
So what is Charles Kushner doing these days?
The
Real Deal reports that Charles Kushner just spent $12 million on three units in
212 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. Encompassing
an area of 4,614 square feet, the three apartments are each on a different floor, the seventh, eighth and ninth floors.
Not to mention more than a few paedo-grooming ring members who are still awaiting
deportation
How convenient these immigrants are when a good smokescreen is needed.
And how about a paedophile UK Prime Minister never investigated ?
"Sir Edward Heath WAS a paedophile, says police chief: Astonishing claim is made
that the former PM is guilty of vile crimes 'covered up by the Establishment'"
Part of the problem may be that the American oligarchy is now believing its own bullshit,
or put another way, has descended into decadence.
The United States has morphed stories many times - from a land of opportunity via theft from
Natives/occupying new land, to jobs and growth opportunities via the Industrial Revolution,
to economic prosperity through rebuilding other nations torn apart by war.
Under these lenses - particularly the last one - the Ukraine, Libya, Syria and other "freedom
and nation building" exercises make sense.
The problem is that it is still unclear that the other major nations are willing to get
themselves into another major war with each other - from which the US can sell into, both
during and after.
Another way to look at it is the Dr. Michael Hudson model: that any economy which permits
interest bearing debt to, by natural law, greatly exceed organic economic capability to repay
and is thus doomed to cataclysm - the increase of the FIRE sector (Finance, Insurance and
Real Estate) from 12% in the 80s to well over 40%, maybe 50% or 60% today, would be a good
indicator.
Under the Dr. Michael Hudson model - the "western" tradition is the abolishing of the debt
jubilee, replaced by the Roman looting of foreign lands model.
Note that the debt jubilee model can still work: a 100% or 150% inflation over a 1-3 year
period would do it, accompanied and followed by policies which restrain FIRE going forward.
However, the unwillingness of the oligarchy to accept/understand/implement is very clear.
Interesting times.
"... Another house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez, told Recarey that very young girls were giving Epstein massages at least twice a day, and in one instance, Epstein had Rodriguez deliver one dozen roses to Mary, at her high school. ..."
"... Palm Beach prosecutors said the evidence was weak, and after presenting the case to a grand jury, Epstein was charged with only one count of felony solicitation of prostitution. In 2008, he pleaded guilty and nominally served 13 months of an 18-month sentence in a county jail: Epstein spent one day a week there, the other six out on "work release." ..."
"... Today, Jeffrey Epstein is a free man, albeit one who routinely settles civil lawsuits against him, brought by young women, out of court. As of 2015, Epstein had settled multiple such cases. ..."
In 2005, the world was introduced to reclusive billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, friend to princes and an American
president, a power broker with the darkest of secrets: He was also a pedophile, accused of recruiting dozens of underage girls into
a sex-slave network, buying their silence and moving along, although he has been convicted of only one count of soliciting prostitution
from a minor. Visitors to his private Caribbean island, known as "Orgy Island," have included Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Stephen
Hawking.
According to a 2011 court filing by alleged Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre, she saw Clinton and Prince Andrew on the
island but never saw the former president do anything improper. Giuffre has accused Prince Andrew of having sex with her when she
was a minor, a charge Buckingham Palace denies.
"Epstein lives less than one mile away from me in Palm Beach," author James Patterson tells The Post. In the 11 years since Epstein
was investigated and charged by the Palm Beach police department, ultimately copping a plea and serving 13 months on one charge of
soliciting prostitution from a 14-year-old girl, Patterson has remained obsessed with the case.
"He's a fascinating character to read about," Patterson says. "What is he thinking? Who is he?"
Patterson's new book,
"Filthy Rich:
A Powerful Billionaire, the Sex Scandal That Undid Him, and All the Justice That Money Can Buy," is an attempt to answer such
questions. Co-authored with John Connolly and Tim Malloy, the book contains detailed police interviews with girls who alleged sexual
abuse by Epstein and others in his circle. Giuffre alleged that Epstein's ex-girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late media
tycoon Robert Maxwell, abused her. Ghislaine Maxwell has denied allegations of enabling abuse.
Epstein has spent the bulk of his adult life cultivating relationships with the world's most powerful men. Flight logs show that
from 2001 to 2003, Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's private plane, dubbed "The Lolita Express" by the press, 26 times. After Epstein's
arrest in July 2006, federal tax records show Epstein donated $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation that year.
Bill Clinton in 1994. AP
Epstein was also a regular visitor to Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago, and the two were friends. According to the Daily Mail, Trump
was a frequent dinner guest at Epstein's home, which was often full of barely dressed models. In 2003, New York magazine reported
that Trump also attended a dinner party at Epstein's honoring Bill Clinton.
Last year, The Guardian reported that Epstein's "little black book" contained contact numbers for A-listers including Tony Blair,
Naomi Campbell, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Bloomberg and Richard Branson.
In a 2006 court filing, Palm Beach police noted that a search of Epstein's home uncovered two hidden cameras. The Mirror reported
that in 2015, a 6-year-old civil lawsuit filed by "Jane Doe No. 3," believed to be the now-married Giuffre, alleged that Epstein
wired his mansion with hidden cameras, secretly recording orgies involving his prominent friends and underage girls. The ultimate
purpose: blackmail, according to court papers.
Britain's Prince Andrew in 2012 AP
"Jane Doe No. 3" also alleged that she had been forced to have sex with "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business
executives, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders."
"We uncovered a lot of details about the police investigation and a lot about the girls, what happened to them, the effect on
their lives," Patterson says.
"The reader has to ask: Was justice done here or not?"
Epstein, now 63, has always been something of an international man of mystery. Born in Brooklyn, he had a middle-class upbringing:
His father worked for the Parks Department, and his parents stressed hard work and education.
'We uncovered a lot of details about the police investigation and a lot about the girls, what happened to them, the effect
on their lives.'
- James Patterson
Epstein was brilliant, skipping two grades and graduating Lafayette High School in 1969. He attended Cooper Union but dropped
out in 1971 and by 1973 was teaching calculus and physics at Dalton, where he tutored the son of a Bear Stearns exec. Soon, Epstein
applied his facility with numbers on Wall Street but left Bear Stearns under a cloud in 1981. He formed his own business, J. Epstein
& Co.
The bar for entry at the new firm was high. According to a 2002 profile in New York magazine, Epstein only took on clients who
turned over $1 billion, at minimum, for him to manage. Clients also had to pay a flat fee and sign power of attorney over to Epstein,
allowing him to do whatever he saw fit with their money.
Still, no one knew exactly what Epstein did, or how he was able to amass a personal billion-dollar-plus fortune. In addition to
a block-long, nine-story mansion on Manhattan's Upper East Side, Epstein owns the $6.8 million mansion in Palm Beach, an $18 million
property in New Mexico, the 70-acre private Caribbean island, a helicopter, a Gulfstream IV and a Boeing 727.
"My belief is that Jeff maintains some sort of money-management firm, though you won't get a straight answer from him," one high-level
investor told New York magazine. "He once told me he had 300 people working for him, and I've also heard that he manages Rockefeller
money. But one never knows. It's like looking at the Wizard of Oz -- there may be less there than meets the eye."
Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach home Splash News
"He's very enigmatic," Rosa Monckton told Vanity Fair in 2003. Monckton was the former British CEO of Tiffany & Co. and confidante
to the late Princess Diana. She was also a close friend of Epstein's since the 1980s. "He never reveals his hand . . . He's a classic
iceberg. What you see is not what you get."
Both profiles intimated that Epstein had a predilection for young women but never went further. In the New York magazine piece,
Trump said Epstein's self-professed image as a loner, an egghead and a teetotaler was not wholly accurate.
Donald Trump in 1990 AP
"I've known Jeff for 15 years," Trump said. "Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful
women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
Three years after that profile ran, Palm Beach Police Officer Michele Pagan got a disturbing message. A woman reported that her
14-year-old stepdaughter confided to a friend that she'd had sex with an older man for money. The man's name was Jeff, and he lived
in a mansion on a cul-de-sac.
Pagan persuaded the woman to bring her stepdaughter down to be interviewed. In his book, Patterson calls the girl Mary. And Mary,
like so many of the other girls who eventually talked, came from the little-known working-class areas surrounding Palm Beach.
A friend of a friend, Mary said, told her she could make hundreds of dollars in one hour, just for massaging some middle-aged
guy's feet. Lots of other girls had been doing it, some three times a week.
Mary claimed she had been driven to the mansion on El Brillo Way, where a female staffer escorted her up a pink-carpeted staircase,
then into a room with a massage table, an armoire topped with sex toys and a photo of a little girl pulling her underwear off.
Ghislaine Maxwell Getty Images
Epstein entered the room, wearing only a towel, Mary said.
"He took off the towel," Mary told Pagan. "He was a really built guy. But his wee-wee was very tiny."
Mary said Epstein got on the table and barked orders at her. She told police she was alone in the room with him, terrified.
Pagan wrote the following in her incident report:
"She removed her pants, leaving her thong panties on. She straddled his back, whereby her exposed buttocks were touching Epstein's
exposed buttocks. Epstein then turned to his side and started to rub his penis in an up-and-down motion. Epstein pulled out a purple
vibrator and began to massage Mary's vaginal area."
Palm Beach assigned six more detectives to the investigation. They conducted a "trash pull" of Epstein's garbage, sifting through
paper with phone numbers, used condoms, toothbrushes, worn underwear. In one pull, police found a piece of paper with Mary's phone
number on it, along with the number of the person who recruited her.
On Sept. 11, 2005, detectives got another break. Alison, as she's called in the book, told Detective Joe Recarey that she had
been going to Epstein's house since she was 16. Alison had been working at the Wellington Green Mall, saving up for a trip to Maine,
when a friend told her, "You can get a plane ticket in two hours . . . We can go give this guy a massage and he'll pay $200," according
to her statement to the police.
Alison told Recarey that she visited Epstein hundreds of times. She said he had bought her a new 2005 Dodge Neon, plane tickets,
and gave her spending money. Alison said he even asked her to emancipate from her parents so she could live with him full-time as
his "sex slave."
She said Epstein slowly escalated his sexual requests, and despite Alison's insistence that they never have intercourse, alleged,
"This one time . . . he bent me over the table and put himself in me. Without my permission."
Alison then asked if what Epstein had done to her was rape and spoke of her abject fear of him.
An abridged version of her witness statement, as recounted in the book:
Alison : Before I say anything else . . . um, is there a possibility that I'm gonna have to go to court or anything?
Recarey : I mean, what he did to you is a crime. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Alison : Would you consider it rape, what he did?
Recarey : If he put himself inside you without permission . . . That, that is a crime. That is a crime.
Alison : I don't want my family to find out about this . . . 'Cause Jeffrey's gonna get me. You guys realize that, right? . . . I'm
not safe now. I'm not safe.
Recarey : Why do you say you're not safe? Has he said he's hurt people before?
Alison : Well, I've heard him make threats to people on the telephone, yeah. Of course.
Recarey : You're gonna die? You're gonna break your legs? Or --
Alison : All of the above!
Alison also told Recarey that Epstein got so violent with her that he ripped out her hair and threw her around. "I mean," she
said, "there's been nights that I walked out of there barely able to walk, um, from him being so rough."
Two months later, Recarey interviewed Epstein's former house manager of 11 years, documented in his probable-cause affidavit as
Mr. Alessi. "Alessi stated Epstein receives three massages a day . . . towards the end of his employment, the masseuses . . . appeared
to be 16 or 17 years of age at the most . . . [Alessi] would have to wash off a massager/vibrator and a long rubber penis, which
were in the sink after the massage."
Another house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez, told Recarey that very young girls were giving Epstein massages at least twice a
day, and in one instance, Epstein had Rodriguez deliver one dozen roses to Mary, at her high school.
In May 2006, the Palm Beach Police Department filed a probable-cause affidavit, asking prosecutors to charge Epstein with four
counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor -- a second-degree felony -- and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation of
a 14-year-old minor, also a second-degree felony.
Today, Jeffrey Epstein is a free man, albeit one who routinely settles civil lawsuits against him, brought by young women,
out of court.
Palm Beach prosecutors said the evidence was weak, and after presenting the case to a grand jury, Epstein was charged with
only one count of felony solicitation of prostitution. In 2008, he pleaded guilty and nominally served 13 months of an 18-month sentence
in a county jail: Epstein spent one day a week there, the other six out on "work release."
Today, Jeffrey Epstein is a free man, albeit one who routinely settles civil lawsuits against him, brought by young women,
out of court. As of 2015, Epstein had settled multiple such cases.
Giuffre has sued Ghislaine Maxwell in Manhattan federal court, charging defamation -- saying Maxwell stated Giuffre lied about
Maxwell's recruitment of her and other underage girls. Epstein has been called upon to testify in court this month, on Oct. 20.
The true number of Epstein's victims may never be known.
He will be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life, not that it fazes him. "I'm not a sexual predator, I'm an 'offender,' "
Epstein told The Post in 2011. "It's the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel."
Former Pope Benedict's sudden resignation is speculated by many to have stemmed from rampant
child abuse. These accusations are supported by a number of witnesses and a shocking story that
got no air time in the mainstream media -- that the former
Pope Benedict's brother abused at least 231 children at a catholic boys choir .
One document that turned up after 30 years showed that the Thatcher
government knew and was told about the Westminster officials' odd sexual behaviors. The
CIA and
KGB even knew about what was going on and hoped to blackmail the VIP pedophile ring in
exchange for information.
Even the High Court judge to the Queen,
Lord Justice Fulford, tried to lower the age of consent to four. Absolutely sick and
twisted -- four years old.
Put simply this is utterly disgusting.. Children are being put below politics, because
psychopaths are in control and believe that they are
entitled to abuse people . It's even alleged that they used
children's foster homes as a supply to fulfill their sick urge.
Actor and comedian Russell Brand did a very good expose on the UK Pedophilia scandal. So did
Australia's
60 minutes and another Australian comedy show called "The Last Leg". Using comedy to shed
light on a dark subject is an old practice made well known by comedian's like George Carlin .
... ... ...
There was a documentary set to be aired called the "Conspiracy of Silence" on the Discovery
Channel, but that documentary was canceled at the last minute and all copies bought up until a
copy leaked online years later...showing the influence these pedophiles have on the media. Not
only that but several people were threatened, murdered or imprisoned to keep this sick secret
hushed up.
Conspiracy of Silence BANNED TV Documentary :
... ... ...
The State Department
DYNCORP was found to have trafficked children, and continued to receive government
contracts. Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney asked then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld why
this corporation continues to receive funding. His answer admitted abuse happened.
Further information on DYNCORP's trafficking of children can be found from a whistle-blower,
Kathryn Bolkovac - a human rights investigator who saw UN officials, military and state
department officials involved in human trafficking in Bosnia. Her story was then turned into a
Hollywood movie called "The
Whistleblower."
Pedophilia has come up in the mainstream a lot lately, as PizzaGate came to light fairly recently and more and more pedophile
rings are being exposed, some of which have involved government officials.
If you're unfamiliar with PizzaGate, it refers to a wide range of email correspondence leaked from the DNC that allegedly unearthed
a high-level elitist global pedophile ring in which the U.S. government was involved.
It emerged when Wikileaks released tens of thousands of emails from the former White House Chief of Staff under Bill Clinton,
John Podesta, who also served as Hillary Clinton's campaign manager. It's because of these emails that many claimed John Podesta
was a part of these child trafficking rings as well.
Since then, conspiracy theorists and world renowned journalists alike have been looking into the topic and speculating how big
this problem could be and who could be involved within these underground rings.
For example, award winning American journalist Ben Swann explained the Pizzagate controversy in detail on mainstream news:
Not long after, Swann's entire online personal brand and accounts had all but vanished from the
internet. Why?
More recently, there's been some speculation that these pedophile rings could stretch into pop culture, potentially involving
more pedophilia scandals and symbolism within the media. The question here is: Is there any tangible evidence of all of this, or
is it mere speculation?
Pedophilia Symbolism
I'd like to begin by identifying the symbols that are used by pedophiles to identify themselves and make their requests within
underground networks. Here is a link
to a declassified FBI document illustrating the symbols and images used by pedophiles to "identify their sexual preferences."
So, how do these images relate to pizza? First of all, before PizzaGate was even suggested, "cheese pizza" was used as
a code word to discuss "child porn" (hint: it's the same initials, CP). A quick Google search will reveal that the market for underage
sex workers is fairly substantial, and you can even see a 2015 post on
Urban Dictionary that explains
how "cheese pizza" is used as code for child porn.
As per PizzaGate and the symbolism, it all started when multiple emails involving John Podesta, his brother, and Hillary Clinton
simply didn't add up. Strange wording discussing pizza and cheese left readers confused, and because the emails made so little sense,
it led many to suspect that they were code for something else.
For example, this email addressed to John Podesta
reads: "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related)," and
this email sent from John Podesta asks: "Do you
think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?" There are many more examples, and I encourage you to go through
the Wikileaks vault to explore.
On top of that, the DNC was associated with two pizza places, Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza, which use very clear symbols of
pedophilia in their advertising and have strange images of children and other ritualistic type images and suspicious videos on their
social media accounts – which has since been made private given the controversy over the images and their link to the DNC, but again,
a quick Google search will show you what those images looked like. You can read the email correspondence between John Podesta and
Comet Ping Pong's owner, James Alefantis,
here .
Can the elite be afflicted by some mass disease. Is Neoconservatism a deadly infection ?
Theoretically Democracy depends on information freely available and responsibility of the citizenry to make decisions based on
that information. The political elites have made certain precious little of reliable, unclouded and relevant information ever gets
broadcast even while popularizing, promoting and rewarding every form of misrepresentation, ignorance and irresponsibility. In
other words they spearheaded a dangerous disease to stay in power. And eventually got infected themselves.
Notable quotes:
"... "But what if the elites get things wrong? What if the policies they promulgate produce grotesque inequality or lead to permanent war? Who then has the authority to disregard the guardians, if not the people themselves? How else will the elites come to recognize their folly and change course?" ..."
"... That is how they maintain control and manipulate government to facilitate their own interests to the detriment of the rest of society. Bretix and President Trump have upset their apple cart, which they felt certain was invulnerable and immune to challenge. ..."
"... The elites aren't interested in polls showing Americans want out of Syria and Afghanistan, are they? Can't have mere citizens having influencing decisions like that. ..."
"... An excellent piece. I would add only that the so-called elites mentioned by Mr Bacevich are largely the products of the uppermost stratum of colleges and universities, at least in the USA, and that for a generation or more now, those institutions have indoctrinated rather than educated. ..."
"... As their more recent alumni move into government, media and cultural production, the primitiveness of their views and their inability to think - to say nothing of their fundamental ignorance about our civilization other than that it is bad and evil - begin to have real effect. ..."
"But what if the elites get things wrong? What if the policies they promulgate produce
grotesque inequality or lead to permanent war? Who then has the authority to disregard the
guardians, if not the people themselves? How else will the elites come to recognize their
folly and change course?"
What if, on election day, you only have a choice between 2 candidates. Both favoring all
the wrong choices, but one tends to talk up Christianity and family and the other talks up
diversity.
And both get their funding from the very wealthy and corporations. And any 3rd choices
would be "throwing your vote away". How would you ever get to vote for someone who might
change course?
Democracy has little to actually do with choice or power.
mlopez, January 18, 2019 at 6:22 pm
GB may not have been any utopia in 1914, but it was certainly geo-politically dominant. It's common people's social,
economic and cultural living standards most assuredly was vastly improved over Russian, or European peasants. There can be no
serious comparison with third world countries and regions.
As for the US, there can be absolutely no debate about its own dominance, or material standard of living after 1945 as
compared to any where else in the world. More importantly, even uneducated and very contemporary observers were capable of
recognizing how our elites had sold out their interests in favor of the furtherance of their own.
If we are on about democratic government, then it's been generations since either country and their peoples have had any
real democracy. Democracy depends on information freely available and responsibility of the citizenry to make decisions based
on that information. The political elites have made certain precious little of reliable, unclouded and relevant information
ever gets broadcast even while popularizing, promoting and rewarding every form of misrepresentation, ignorance and
irresponsibility.
That is how they maintain control and manipulate government to facilitate their own interests to the detriment of the
rest of society. Bretix and President Trump have upset their apple cart, which they felt certain was invulnerable and immune
to challenge.
Hello / Goodbye, January 19, 2019 at 11:40 am
The elites aren't interested in polls showing Americans want out of Syria and Afghanistan, are they? Can't have mere
citizens having influencing decisions like that.
Patzinak, January 19, 2019 at 5:07 pm
What ineffable flummadiddle!
Prominent Brexiteers include Boris Johnson (dual UK/US citizenship, educated in Brussels and at Eton and Oxford, of mixed
ancestry, including a link - by illegitimate descent - to the royal houses of Prussia and the UK); Jacob Rees-Mogg (son of a
baron, educated at Eton and Oxford, amassed a solid fortune via hedge fund management); Arron Banks (millionaire, bankroller
of UKIP, made to the Brexit campaign the largest ever political donation in UK politics).
So much for "the elite" being against Brexit!
But the main problem with Brexit is this. Having voted by a slim margin in favour of Brexit, the Great British Public
then, in the general election, denied a majority to the government that had undertaken to implement it, and elected a
Parliament of whom, by a rough estimate, two thirds oppose Brexit.
It ain't that "the elite" got "things wrong". It's that bloody Joe Public can't make his mind what to do - and go through
with it.
Rossbach, January 20, 2019 at 2:14 pm
"Whether the imagined utopia of a dominant Great Britain prior to 1914 or a dominant America after 1945 ever actually
existed is beside the point."
It wasn't to restore any defunct utopia that led people to vote for Brexit or Donald Trump; it was to check the descent of
the Anglosphere into the totalitarian dystopia of forced multi-cultural globalism that caused voters to reject the EU in
Britain and Hillary Clinton in the US. It is because they believed that only with the preservation of their national
independence was there any chance or hope for a restoration of individual liberty that our people voted as they did.
Ratings System, January 17, 2019 at 1:27 pm
It's why they won't enjoy their privileges much longer. That stale charade can't and won't last.
We don't have a meritocracy. We have a pseudo-meritocracy with an unduly large contingent of aliens, liars, cheats,
frauds, and incompetents. They give each other top marks, speak each other's PC language, and hire each other's kids. And
they don't understand why things are falling apart, and why they are increasingly hated by real Americans.
A very nasty decade or two is coming our way, but after we've swept out the filth there will be a good chance that
Americans will be Americans again.
Paul Reidinger, January 17, 2019 at 2:03 pm
An excellent piece. I would add only that the so-called elites mentioned by Mr Bacevich are largely the products of
the uppermost stratum of colleges and universities, at least in the USA, and that for a generation or more now, those
institutions have indoctrinated rather than educated.
As their more recent alumni move into government, media and cultural production, the primitiveness of their views and
their inability to think - to say nothing of their fundamental ignorance about our civilization other than that it is bad and
evil - begin to have real effect. The new dark age is no longer imminent. It is here, and it is them. I see no way to
rectify the damage. When minds are ruined young, they remain ruined.
"... An excellent piece. I would add only that the so-called elites mentioned by Mr Bacevich are largely the products of the uppermost stratum of colleges and universities, at least in the USA, and that for a generation or more now, those institutions have indoctrinated rather than educated. ..."
"... As their more recent alumni move into government, media and cultural production, the primitiveness of their views and their inability to think -- to say nothing of their fundamental ignorance about our civilization other than that it is bad and evil -- begin to have real effect. ..."
An excellent piece. I would add only that the so-called elites mentioned by Mr
Bacevich are largely the products of the uppermost stratum of colleges and universities, at
least in the USA, and that for a generation or more now, those institutions have
indoctrinated rather than educated.
As their more recent alumni move into government, media and cultural production, the
primitiveness of their views and their inability to think -- to say nothing of their
fundamental ignorance about our civilization other than that it is bad and evil -- begin to
have real effect. The new dark age is no longer imminent. It is here, and it is them. I
see no way to rectify the damage. When minds are ruined young, they remain ruined.
Any unbiased observer would suspect that considerable part of US Congress consists of senile
gerantocrats...
Notable quotes:
"... You can accuse only the elites of dementia: they forgot that to enjoy the fruits of your thievery you have to be alive. ..."
"... They tricked us the last time, I hope that the people have learned their lesson – not to trust them anymore. ..."
"... Thank you, this is an excellent summary of the situation right now. It's worth noting too just how disconnected the establishment is from the wider public. They have enormous financial resources and access to the entire legacy media ..."
"... Let's stop using the word "elites". That sounds too positive, as though they have some admirable traits acquired by hard work, as in "elite athletes". Instead, let's call them "oligarchs" so that we get the right nuances of wealth and power, and get the correct emotional connotations of our disgust with them. We should label them with labels that they will dislike: oligarchs, mob bosses, etc. ..."
"... This is not irrational. The screaming, the hysteria, this is the utterly rational, breathtakingly brutal reaction of a ruling elite that has the moral sense of a reptile. And it's working. All of Trump's campaign promises to stop wasting trillions on pointless winless foreign wars of choice, and instead spend that on our own country? Gone. And so much else besides. ..."
"... It's dangerous to underestimate an enemy. The useful idiot foot soldiers, screaming in mindless herd instinct, are one thing. The people behind them – the Koch brothers, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, others – there is nothing at all mindless or demented about them. ..."
Where to begin to analyze the madness of mainstream media in reaction to the Trump-Putin
meeting in Helsinki? By focusing on the individual, psychology has neglected the problem of
mass insanity, which has now overwhelmed the United States establishment, its mass media and
most of its copycat European subsidiaries. The individuals may be sane, but as a herd they are
ready to leap off the cliff.
For the past two years, a particular power group has sought to explain away its loss of
power – or rather, its loss of the Presidency, as it still holds a predominance of
institutional power – by creation of a myth. Mainstream media is known for its herd
behavior, and in this case the editors, commentators, journalists have talked themselves into a
story that initially they themselves could hardly take seriously.
Donald Trump was elected by Russia ?
On the face of it, this is preposterous. Okay, the United States can manage to rig elections
in Honduras, or Serbia, or even Ukraine, but the United States is a bit too big and complex to
leave the choice of the Presidency to a barrage of electronic messages totally unread by most
voters. If this were so, Russia wouldn't need to try to "undermine our democracy". It would
mean that our democracy was already undermined, in tatters, dead. A standing corpse ready to be
knocked over by a tweet.
Even if, as is alleged without evidence, an army of Russian bots (even bigger than the
notorious Israeli army of bots) was besieging social media with its nefarious slanders against
poor innocent Hillary Clinton, this could determine an election only in a vacuum, with no other
influences in the field. But there was a lot of other stuff going on in the 2016 election, some
for Trump and some for Hillary, and Hillary herself scored a crucial own goal by denigrating
millions of Americans as "deplorables" because they didn't fit into her identity politics
constituencies.
The Russians could do nothing to build support for Trump, and there is not a hint of
evidence that they tried. They might have done something to harm Hillary, because there was so
much there: the private server emails, the Clinton foundation, the murder of Moammer Gaddafi,
the call for a no-fly zone in Syria they didn't have to invent it. It was there. So was the
hanky panky at the Democratic National Committee, on which the Clintonite accusations focus,
perhaps to cause everyone to forget much worse things.
When you come to think of it, the DNC scandal focused on Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not on
Hillary herself. Screaming about "Russian hacking the DNC" has been a distraction from much
more serious accusations against Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders supporters didn't need those
"revelations" to make them stop loving Hillary or even to discover that the DNC was working
against Bernie. It was always perfectly obvious.
So at worst, "the Russians" are accused of revealing some relatively minor facts concerning
the Hillary Clinton campaign. Big deal.
But that is enough, after two years of fakery, to send the establishment into a frenzy of
accusations of "treason" when Trump does what he said he would do while campaigning, try to
normalize relations with Russia.
This screaming comes not only from the US mainstream, but also from that European elite
which has been housebroken for seventy years as obedient poodles, dachshunds or corgis in the
American menagerie, via intense vetting by US trans-Atlantic "cooperation" associations. They
have based their careers on the illusion of sharing the world empire by following U.S. whims in
the Middle East and transforming the mission of their armed forces from defense into foreign
intervention units of NATO under U.S. command. Having not thought seriously about the
implications of this for over half a century, they panic at the suggestion of being left to
themselves.
The Western elite is now suffering from self-inflicted dementia.
Donald Trump is not particularly articulate, navigating through the language with a small
repetitive vocabulary, but what he said at his Helsinki press conference was honest and even
brave. As the hounds bay for his blood, he quite correctly refused to endorse the "findings" of
US intelligence agencies, fourteen years after the same agencies "found" that Iraq was bursting
with weapons of mass destruction. How in the world could anyone expect anything else?
But for the mainstream media, "the story" at the Helsinki summit, even the only
story, was Trump's reaction to the, er, trumped up charges of Russian interference in our
democracy. Were you or were you not elected thanks to Russian hackers? All they wanted was a
yes or no answer. Which could not possibly be yes. So they could write their reports in
advance.
Anyone who has frequented mainstream journalists, especially those who cover the "big
stories" on international affairs, is aware of their obligatory conformism, with few
exceptions. To get the job, one must have important "sources", meaning government spokesmen who
are willing to tell you what "the story" is, often without being identified. Once they know
what "the story" is, competition sets in: competition as to how to tell it. That leads to an
escalation of rhetoric, variations on the theme: "The President has betrayed our great country
to the Russian enemy. Treason!"
This demented chorus on "Russian hacking" prevented mainstream media from even doing their
job. Not even mentioning, much less analyzing, any of the real issues at the summit. To find
analysis, one must go on line, away from the official fake news to independent reporting. For
example, "the Moon of Alabama" site offers
an intelligent interpretation of the Trump strategy , which sounds infinitely more
plausible than "the story". In short, Trump is trying to woo Russia away from China, in a
reverse version of Kissinger's strategy forty years ago to woo China away from Russia, thus
avoiding a continental alliance against the United States. This may not work because the United
States has proven so untrustworthy that the cautious Russians are highly unlikely to abandon
their alliance with China for shadows. But it makes perfect sense as an explanation of Trump's
policy, unlike the caterwauling we've been hearing from Senators and talking heads on CNN.
Those people seem to have no idea of what diplomacy is about. They cannot conceive of
agreements that would be beneficial to both sides. No, it's got to be a zero sum game, winner
take all. If they win, we lose, and vice versa.
They also have no idea of the harm to both sides if they do not agree. They have no project,
no strategy. Just hate Trump.
He seems totally isolated, and every morning I look at the news to see if he has been
assassinated yet.
It is unimaginable for our Manichean moralists that Putin might also be under fire at home
for failing to chide the American president for U.S. violations of human rights in Guantanamo,
murderous drone strikes against defenseless citizens throughout the Middle East, the
destruction of Libya in violation of the UN mandate, interference in the elections of countless
countries by government-financed "non-governmental organizations" (the National Endowment of
Democracy), worldwide electronic spying, invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the
world's greatest prison population and regular massacres of school children. But the diplomatic
Russians know how to be polite.
Still, if Trump actually makes a "deal", there may be losers – neither the U.S. nor
Russia but third parties. When two great powers reach agreement, it is often at somebody else's
expense. The West Europeans are afraid it will be them, but such fears are groundless. All
Putin wants is normal relations with the West, which is not much to ask.
Rather, candidate number one for paying the price are the Palestinians, or even Iran, in
marginal ways. At the press conference, asked about possible areas of cooperation between the
two nuclear powers, Trump suggested that the two could agree on helping Israel:
"We both spoke with Bibi Netanyahu. They would like to do certain things with respect to
Syria, having to do with the safety of Israel. In that respect, we absolutely would like to
work in order to help Israel. Israel will be working with us. So both countries would work
jointly."
In political terms, Trump knows where political power lies, and is counting on the influence
of the pro-Israel lobby, which recognizes the defeat in Syria and the rising influence of
Russia, to save him from the liberal imperialists – a daring bet, but he does not have
much choice.
On another subject, Trump said that "our militaries" get along with the Russians "better
than our politicians". This is another daring bet, on military realism that could somehow
neutralize military industrial congressional complex lobbying for more and more weapons.
In short, the only chance to end the nuclear war threat may depend on support for Trump from
Israel and the Pentagon!
The hysterical neoliberal globalists seem to have ruled out any other possibility –
and perhaps this one too.
"Constructive dialogue between the United States and Russia forwards the opportunity to open
new pathways toward peace and stability in our world" Trump declared "I would rather take a
political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics."
That is more than his political enemies can claim.
This is a frightening, accurate commentary on what we face as a result of an unaccountable
power structure resorting to any and all means to retain power which, if this structure
continues to exercise it, will lead to our extinction.
In the establishment, it's not dementia as such, it's just serving the highest bidder. You
can accuse only the elites of dementia: they forgot that to enjoy the fruits of your thievery
you have to be alive. If only they die, it would be a great service to the humanity.
Unfortunately, the way things go, they might take us all with them.
This mass hysteria over a country hostile to both democracy and gay rights (it's hard to tell
which one is worse) has been seen in the west before.
It's very reminiscent of the lead-up to Iraq war in 2003. I mean what's next? Are they
gonna accuse Russia of having WMD's too?
They are pretty good at providing false evidence of WMD's, I wouldn't be surprised if they
stage another presentation of evidence of Russian WMD's at UN, complete with satellite images
of mobile trucks equipped with Uranium enrichment technology and all that.
That Nikki Halley can be quite persuasive, you know. I just hope that the world doesn't
buy that BS again. Russia having WMD's? That's preposterous. They tricked us the last time, I
hope that the people have learned their lesson – not to trust them anymore.
Thank you, this is an excellent summary of the situation right now. It's worth noting too
just how disconnected the establishment is from the wider public. They have enormous
financial resources and access to the entire legacy media but seem to have almost no real
base of support. Remember how the Never Trumpers had no one more prominent and well-known
than Evan McMullan (!!) to run as their candidate? Note too the tiny number of views the
YouTube videos of the Aspen Institute get: https://www.youtube.com/user/AspenInstitute/videos
.
On its own, these things aren't conclusive proof but together they add up. The Aspen
Institute crowd is an almost entirely self-contained subculture. They seem to have no base of
support, beyond their stacks of money, job titles and the power that come with the various
offices they hold. That's probably why they can never stop calling their opponents
"populists" or why Bill Kristol keeps tweeting about encountering scrappy shoeshine boys who
shout "give Trump hell, Mr Kristol!" as he goes about his urban peregrinations.
Diana Johnstone is not alone. Others on the alt-Left are starting to wake up, too. This is
Joaquín Flores:
People are seeing through dishonesty, and the old language traps are used up and done
for. If reconquista is the goal, then we need to have an honest conversation about that. If
there's a Latino nation with self determination in the south-west US, or rights 'back' to
the south-west US, then let's speak of it in such terms. Because then we'd be looking at a
Euro-American nation also. Now of course there's issues of interpenetrated peoples, and
identities we carry in our minds in diverse urban centers. But the point here is that we
have to have an honest discourse, and stop hiding reconquista sentiments under the rubric
of 'human rights'. Because European-Americans don't have right of return to Europe, so the
left is promoting what will ultimately be a race war, full scale, if they don't chill the
fuck out and back off this disingenuous approach to policy-wonkism on immigration.
The paradigmatic question today is, how is wealth made, and where does wealth come from?
What is the balance of trade and debts, and how is that is no longer manageable? The US
empire and NATO is no longer manageable. Trump is unwinding NATO. That can't be a bad
thing.
@AnonFromTNLet's stop using the word "elites". That sounds too positive, as though they have some
admirable traits acquired by hard work, as in "elite athletes". Instead, let's call them
"oligarchs" so that we get the right nuances of wealth and power, and get the correct
emotional connotations of our disgust with them. We should label them with labels that they
will dislike: oligarchs, mob bosses, etc.
@Tulips
You are right, of course, the word "elites" has too many positive connotations. In fact, they
are oligarchs, mega-thieves, or something on those lines. Functionally, in our society they
are puppet masters of all the venal puppets (politicians, journos, etc.).
I hear you, and I sympathize, but this is not mass dementia.
The oligarchy that runs the United States was worried that Donald Trump might actually
(!!) take some consideration for the national interest of the people of the United States of
America. That will never do.
This is not irrational. The screaming, the hysteria, this is the utterly rational,
breathtakingly brutal reaction of a ruling elite that has the moral sense of a reptile. And
it's working. All of Trump's campaign promises to stop wasting trillions on pointless winless
foreign wars of choice, and instead spend that on our own country? Gone. And so much else
besides.
It's dangerous to underestimate an enemy. The useful idiot foot soldiers, screaming in
mindless herd instinct, are one thing. The people behind them – the Koch brothers, Jeff
Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, others – there is nothing at all mindless or demented about
them.
Having a title "Mass Dementia in the Western Establishment" and approaching this effort as
"mass insanity", "demented chorus" etc. is simply delusional.
They know exactly what they are doing and, it appears, they are doing it well.
The are able to create their own reality. What puzzles me a bit isn't "them" or their servants (media etc.).
It's people in general. They appear to be buying that manufactured reality with ease. In this
era of instant communications it's .sobering. This constant shitting on "them" and their servants is fine and dandy but feels as just a
feel good exercise.
Perhaps some effort could be spared in trying to analyze and explain common people approach
to all this. The buying, hook and sinker, that manufacture.
Anyone with an average intelligence can, in two hours trawling of Internet, get how false
all that is. And, yet, here we are.
The same people who can spend hours on social media, shopping and entertainment online can't,
for SOME reason, figure all that out.
Easy to blame "them" and media/academia/whatever.
Maybe it's time to start passing a bit of blame to people in general.
@Daniel
Rich The Russians are by nature cautious. They are a conglomerate of individuals, many of
whom remember times when they would be sent by communist tyrants to a gulag for Wrongthink.
Of course they're cautious.
How Hillary Clinton could even run for presidency after the murder of Moammer Gaddafi and
Libya destruction, in any decent civilisation and society.
That's planetary shame and the most important question, not DNC hack or anything else, which
just trace in wrong direction.
So, Trump should grow some balls and arrest not just her but Barack Obama as well on the
same charges, as war criminals as they are, and prove that he really deserves to be
trusted.
And sacrifice himself in the process if needed as that would do any honest true US president,
and he knew what to expect from such position from the start.
It's not TV reality show, as still it is.
All he cares about is his ego and popularity, and he is loosing both.
Israel lobby finally see that they put their money in the wrong bank.
I intend to believe more that West, namely USA and UK the most, keeps them more hostage in
uncertainty for decades than in some Jewish conspiracy. Also, I also believe that only Russia can guaranty Israel security and peace in the
region.
In political terms, Trump knows where political power lies, and is counting on the
influence of the pro-Israel lobby, which recognizes the defeat in Syria and the rising
influence of Russia, to save him from the liberal imperialists – a daring bet, but he
does not have much choice.
Saudi Arabia spent 40 billion dollars helping Saddam's Iraq in its war against Iran, the
cost of US efforts in the Syria civil war have largely been met by the Saudis. The coming
attack on Iran will be as much to please the Saudis as to lock Israel into West Bank Arab
expulsion mode. The Israel Lobby will is not pushing Donald Trump, they are playing catch up
with him. Trump has already shown with the Jerusalem recognition that he is encouraging
Israel in unilateral courses of action.
@TG
No, I agree with the assessment in this article and its title: the establishment is
dangerously detached from reality right now. Our stagnant and locked-down political culture
in the West allowed the "elite" to develop a false sense of security and and certainty. They
thought they had things pretty much figured out a few years ago but now they're genuinely
panicked.
Looking to this circus from Russia, to those insane speaches, insulting caricatures in MSM, I
understand the huge amount of rotteness of Western society, mainly its high top part, but not
only. Even here in comments (not in this particularly article) the percentage of trolls and
brainwashed idiots exceeds all I could've imagined. So I stopped writing here – no
sense, I beleive that something can change only after the dramatic changes in US/West society
and that is possible only after a big war/revolution.
So, I'm afraid our future is vague
That is another surefire sign of degeneracy: when a regime can only produce incompetent,
often old, leaders who are completely out of touch with reality and who blame their own
failures on [everyone but themselves].
Another sign of degeneracy is that masses of people put their faith in such human garbage
and fantasize that the essentially effortless task of casting ballots every few years will
somehow, perhaps magically, improve their situations. Even more telling is the infantilism
demonstrated by the attitude that they're special and "da gweatist" and that the world should
cater to their every whim just like mommy and daddy did.
Unlike the Titanic, most collapsed regimes don't fully sink. They remain about half
under water, and half above, possibly with an orchestra still playing joyful music. And in
the most expensive top deck cabins, a pretty luxurious lifestyle can be maintained by the
elites.
A clever metaphor.
incompetent, often old, leaders who are completely out of touch with reality and who
blame their own failures on internal ("deplorables") and external ("the Russians")
factors.
Just so.
Dmitry Orlov's assessment rings dead true to me. The most terrifying factor is that a
doomed and demented US administration may resort to the use of its vast air and missile power
to save itself.
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July 30, 2003: KAH - The subject of the extremely narrow point of view of most Americans as opposed to the majority of
other peoples in the world came up in a conversation the other day. The people having the conversation were, as it happens, mostly
American. One of them commented that Americans had been "programmed" to their point of view by mass media propaganda for a very long
time and that it was simply a very normal part of American life and basically, always had been. She concluded, "Whoever denies it
is either ignorant or has an agenda."
That may be so. It may be true that the "pied pipers" of denial have an agenda. But what, then, does one say or do about the ignorance
of the vast majority of Americans? Why and how is it that the trap of Fascism is closing on them before their very eyes and no matter
how many voices - the number is increasing every day - are raised to point out this danger, they simply do not seem to get it?
The conversation continued with a comment from another individual suggesting that one must take into account how effective the
"official culture" actually is in the US. It isn't just a question of ignorance, but a question of the long-term thoroughness of
the propagandizing that began in the early days of the last century. It was proposed that this propaganda is so complete that not
only are most people in the US ignorant of what is taking place on the US political scene, and in the world as a direct result of
US policy, they are ignorant of the fact that they are ignorant. They have been inculcated with the view that their view is the only
"right" one" and, consequently, they really "don't know any better". In short: "What do you do if you don't know that you don't know
something?"
Well, the thing is, at some point in time, no matter how thorough the programming has been, most people will eventually end up
coming across some bit or piece of information that isn't going to quite "jibe" with the "official culture;" it isn't going to "fit"
in with their view of reality, with what they have been taught, and it is usually just a little bit uncomfortable when this happens.
Or it ought to be.
My question is, why is complete denial, even aggressive behavior in some instances, the reaction of some when the objective facts
of reality are pointed out to them, while there are others who react with an increased sense of curiosity, an increased desire for
additional information?
Why do some shun knowledge and others crave it?
Why do some resist the programming, and others welcome it?
It is as though with some people - those who most avidly embrace the "we are right" view - have minds that are closed from the
very get-go, and they are entirely incapable of opening them, even just a crack. There is no curiosity in them. There are no questions
in their minds. There are no "what ifs?" or "maybes".
It seems to me that the propaganda of the Official Culture then, while quite effective, may not be the sole reason why so many
Americans are apathetic when it comes to what their government is doing, both in the US and abroad. It seems as though there may
be some distinct differences in human beings at a very basic level that needs to be considered here.
In my opinion, (KAH), all of us who were raised in the US have been duped via this Official Culture mind control imposed through
the educational system and the mass media. But there are some of us who seem to have the ability to question, to wonder, to open
our minds to other possibilities - even if they seem far-fetched. And invariably, this opening of the mind to other views has been
enriching and rewarding on many levels, not the least of which is a humanitarian view of all peoples and cultures.
Is being able to open your mind and ask questions just a matter of "courage?" Is a closed mind simply evidence of being a coward?
Is resistance to the "official culture" a consequence of a fundamental "rebellious nature" and are those who "go along with the crowd"
better "team players," even if the team is on the moral low-road?
Is the difference one that exists between people who are willing to face the "terror of the situation" and those who simply cannot
live in the state of tension produced by having to make moral decisions themselves?
Or, is there something deeper here? If so, what is it? And whatever it is, why is it so "active" in the present day and time?
What is the "fog" that surrounds America and the minds of its people?
In the past, I have encountered many people who I considered to be open-minded, but ultimately discovered that they are not so
when they absolutely refuse to even admit the possibility of what is so obvious to so many intelligent and compassionate people.
For example, the obvious psychopathy of Bush and other world leaders, certainly reveals to us that the "terror of the situation"
is manifesting on quite a grander scale than any of us might have dreamed possible a few years ago. There it is. Clues and signs
everywhere. It's as plain as the nose on your face. But most Americans would rather cut off that nose with the result that they spite
the face.
It is terrifying enough when one realizes that the Bush Reich and other elite groups around the globe are wreaking havoc on the
planet without regard for life in any form, apart from their own, but when we also have to face the fact that there are so many people
out there, that - even when faced with the certain facts of this global tinder- box - either cannot see it or WILL not see it, well,
that makes this situation just a little bit more terrifying.
Again, we return to the problem: what is WRONG with Americans?
We already know that the "Land of the Free" is gone, but what about the "Home of the Brave?" It never takes courage to support
a bully - but it takes a LOT of courage to stand up against one. Has America lost that courage that gave them the intestinal fortitude
to stand up to the most mighty military power in the world of the time - England - to declare their independence from bullies and
to stand for what was right? What happened to "Give me liberty or give me death?" Because surely America has chosen death in giving
up their liberty!
When I was growing up in the West, my brothers and I were subjected to very intense "racist attitudes" from our step-parents.
We lived in a small farming-ranching community where that sort of belief system is generally passed on from one generation to the
next and nobody ever really questions it.
However, at a very early age, I instinctively rebelled against this view of the world. It seems that I had a sort of natural,
intrinsic love, respect and a fascination for other cultures and peoples. Of course, it drove my step-parents CRAZY. There was a
lot of tension between us because of this.
My love for and curiosity about other cultures led me to travel extensively as I grew up. I was curious; I wanted to explore;
I wanted to KNOW. When I eventually married outside my own culture, well, I had crossed the line and all contact with my family had
to be terminated. The price they were willing to pay for their racist beliefs was high - in my opinion - moreso for them than for
me, though certainly this rejection was painful.
My point is, I resisted this racist program intensely. It was all around me, in the town, the schools, the church we attended.
But I wanted no part of it. It seems that it went against my very nature. But for others, it seemed very "natural" to "fall for"
this cultural programming - to be "comfortable" within a milieu that excluded nearly everyone else as human beings.
Is it just "ignorance?" Are Americans just ignorant and ignorant of their own ignorance? Is this ignorance strictly due to "official
culture programming" - programming that seems to be designed to encourage ignorance?
Again it seems as though there may be two different types of people and two different ways to deal with the question of one's
own ignorance.
Some individuals, when faced with certain facts about their own ignorance, deny vehemently that they ARE ignorant and resort to
platitudes and cliches even including that old saw about the difference between "book learning" and "common sense." Others, when
confronted with their own ignorance, immediately set about rectifying it no matter how painful it might be.
When I first moved abroad at the age of 21, I quickly realized that I was, like most Americans, abysmally ignorant with regard
to politics. I discovered - to my great dismay - that in my host country, most of the average people around me - shopkeepers, hairdressers,
taxi-drivers - knew more about what was going on in the USA and the rest of the world than I did; a LOT more! I had no IDEA of the
things that were going on that were common knowledge to other peoples in the world. And here, it wasn't simply a matter of having
a different opinion than others. It was a matter of an almost complete lack of INFORMATION within the very country that promotes
democracy as the rule of an "informed citizenry." I realized with striking clarity exactly how ignorant I was at that point, and
I admitted it to myself. Further, I was embarrassed for myself and other Americans who were seen (rightly so) as equally ignorant
and "in the dark" politically and culturally speaking. BUT, due to this embarrassment and realization of the extraordinary extent
of my ignorance, I determined to do something about it.
But there are so many Americans who - when faced with similar situations, faced with their own ignorance - deny it aggressively.
And generally, the "last word" for them is: "Oh, he/she doesn't know what the hell they are talking about! They're 'foreigners'."
And that's the key: "foreigners."
"Foreigners" can't possibly know anything because they aren't American. And Americans, by default of having the most bombs on
the planet, always "know" what's up. Or, at the very least, their leaders do and we just don't have to think about such things. That's
what we elect our leaders for, isn't it? So they will handle all that boring and tedious political stuff and leave us alone to watch
"Survivor" and the Super Bowl and wash our new SUV so that the Joneses can be green with envy!
And they leave it at that. It's the preferred way to handle all such questions. Forget the entire issue of an "informed citizenry"
and any possible outrage that citizens of the US are not only NOT informed, they are being deliberately DIS-informed!
They don't even realize that "Survivor" is programming them to the very attitudes that are being displayed by their leaders -
normalizing it, so to say - and at the present moment these attitude are being manifested in their own lives in a direct and terrifying
way. For many in the US, their future is that there won't be any more Super Bowls, and the SUV certainly doesn't get enough gas mileage
to get them far enough away from the terror that will confront them when they are "voted off the island" in the global game of "Survivor."
Why does this condition exist? Why are so many people so susceptible to the "official culture" and the mass media propaganda?
Why are so many people willing slaves to it? And why do some others - once the questions have been raised - begin to seek the knowledge
that reveals the man behind the curtain?
Perhaps it is more than simply a matter of very clever and intense programming. Perhaps it is also a matter of the nature of a
person?
LKJ: In recent times, I have considered many ideas in an attempt to answer this question. The members of the Quantum Future School
have been engaged in studying psychopathy and pseudo-psychopathy
for about two years now. This has certainly prepared most of us to be able to see the man behind the curtain, or, in this case, behind
the "mask of sanity." But it still doesn't answer the question as to why psychopathic behavior seems to be so widespread in the US.
(That is not to say that it doesn't exist everywhere - that's a given.)
Linda Mealey of the Department of Psychology at the College of St. Benedict in St. Joseph, Minnesota, has recently proposed certain
ideas in her paper: The Sociobiology of Sociopathy: An Integrated Evolutionary Model. These ideas address the increase in
psychopathy in American culture by suggesting that in a competitive society - capitalism, for example - psychopathy is adaptive and
likely to increase. She writes:
I have thus far argued that some individuals seem to have a genotype that disposes them to [psychopathy].
[Psychopathy describes]
frequency-dependent, genetically based, individual differences in employment of life strategies. [Psychopaths] always appear in
every culture, no matter what the socio-cultural conditions. [...]
Competition increases the use of antisocial and Machiavellian strategies and can counteract pro-social behavior
Some cultures encourage competitiveness more than others and these differences in social values vary both temporally and cross-culturally.
[...] Across both dimensions, high levels of competitiveness are associated with high crime rates and Machiavellianism.
High populaton density, an indirect form of competition, is also associated with reduced pro-social behavior and increased
anti-social behavior. [...] [Mealey, op. cit.]
The conclusion is that the American way of life has optimized the survival of psychopaths with the consequence that it is an adaptive
"life strategy" that is extremely successful in American society, and thus has increased in the population in strictly genetic terms.
What is more, as a consequence of a society that is adaptive for psychopathy, many individuals who are NOT genetic psychopaths have
similarly adapted, becoming "effective" psychopaths, or "secondary sociopaths."
(Many experts differentiate between primary and secondary sociopaths. The first is a sociopath because they have the "genes" and
the second is more or less "created" by their environment of victimization. Other experts refer to these two categories as "psychopaths"
for the genetic variety and "sociopaths" for the reactive variety. We prefer this latter distinction.)
Of course, because they are not intellectually handicapped, these individuals [psychopaths] will progress normally in terms of
cognitive development and will acquire a theory of mind. Their theories, however, will be formulated purely in instrumental terms
[what can claiming this or that GET for me?], without access to the empathic understanding that most of us rely on so much of
the time.
They may become excellent predictors of others' behavior, unhandicapped by the "intrusiveness" of emotion, acting, as do professional
gamblers, solely on nomothetic laws and actuarial data rather than on hunches and feelings.
In determining how to "play" in the social encounters of everyday life, they will use a pure cost-benefit approach based
on immediate personal outcomes, with no "accounting" for the emotional reactions of the others with whom they are dealing.
Without any real love to "commit" them to cooperation, without any anxiety to prevent fear of "defection," without guilt to
inspire repentance, they are free to continually play for the short-term benefit.
At the same time, because changes in gene frequencies in the population would not be able to keep pace with the fast-changing
parameters of social interactions, an additional fluctuating proportion of sociopathy should result because, in a society of [psychopathy],
the environmental circumstances make an antisocial strategy of life more profitable than a pro-social one. [Mealey]
In other words, in a world of psychopaths, those who are not genetic psychopaths, are induced to behave like psychopaths simply
to survive. When the rules are set up to make a society "adaptive" to psychopathy, it makes psychopaths of everyone.
Now, do not be fooled by the word "psychopath." Many individuals equate this term with mass murderers or "foaming at the mouth"
madmen. By any name, this dangerous personality disorder presents three unsettling realities: Its prevalence seems to be increasing,
it is far more common than previously thought, and there is no cure.
What makes the psychopath so frightening and dangerous is that he or she wears a completely convincing "Mask of Sanity". This
may at first make such a person utterly persuasive and compellingly healthy, according to psychiatrist Harvey Cleckley. Dr. Cleckey
was first to describe the key symptoms of the disorder.
Psychopaths can be very sociable, even though they are antisocial behind their "mask" in the sense that their "emotions" are completely
fake. They are masters at manipulating others for their personal gain. Their charm, in fact, is legendary. "As a therapist, you run
across this all of the time, where a man is mysteriously controlled by a sociopath," explains psychologist Melvin Sinder, co-author
of Smart Men Bad Choices.
Psychopaths are experts at using people. They can ask anything of anyone without embarassment and because of their outgoing seducing
friendliness, their use of "poor innocent me! I am such a GOOD person and I have been treated so BADLY!" the victim invariably gets
sucked into giving the psychopath what they ask for - no matter how outrageous.
Psychopaths are masters at faking emotions in order to manipulate others. One psychologist reported that if you actually catch
them in the act of committing a crime, or telling a lie, "they will immediately justify their actions by self pity and blaming another,
by creating a heart-rending scene of faked emotional feelings." These fake emotions are only for effect, as the careful observer
will note. The Psychopath considers getting their way or getting out of trouble using faked emotions as a victory over another person.
Psychopaths are incapable of feeling concern or remorse for the consequences of their actions. They can calmly rationalize
their insensitive and bizarre behavior all the while attributing malice to everyone but themselves. When caught in a lie, they will
manipulate others or stories to their own advantage without any fear of being found out - even if it is obvious to everyone around
them that they WILL be found out.
Psychopaths cannot feel fear for themselves, much less empathy for others. Most normal people, when they are about to do something
dangerous, illegal, or immoral, feel a rush of worry, nervousness, or fear. Guilt may overwhelm them and prevent them from even committing
the deed.
The psychopath feels little or nothing.
As a result, the threat of punishment, even painful punishment is a laughing matter for the psychopath. They can repeat the same
destructive acts without skipping a heartbeat, as well as seek thrills and dangers without regard for possible risks. This is called
"hypoarousal." That is, very little - if anything - really arouses them; they are more machine-like than human-like.
The psychopath seems to be full of something akin to deep greed. They manifest this inner state in many ways. One of the most
common ways is to steal something of value to their victim (valuables), or to hurt/slander the victim or something or someone the
victim loves. In the psychopath's mind, this is justified because the victim crossed him, did not give him what he wanted, or rejected
him (or her).
Psychopaths lie for the sake of lying. They can convey the deepest hear- felt message without meaning a word of it. They can also
tell the most outrageous stories simply in order to be at the center of attention and to get what they want.
An example is told by a researcher in psychopathy: Melissa was a girl that was very attractive and very outgoing. She met with
an attorney regarding getting a divorce from her husband and convinced the attorney that her husband was ruining her life.
The attorney felt sorry for her as she carried on about the abuse she had suffered. She was so convincing, that the attorney wanted
to help her personally. With her seductive charisma, he became hopelessly infatuated and began to date Melissa. At a certain point,
the attorney refused to take illegal and immoral actions against her estranged husband that Melissa requested.
At this point, she filed sexual harassment charges against the attorney to try to force him to do what she wanted. She didn't
realize that, by doing this, she had exposed herself for what she was and there was no possibility that the attorney was going to
bow to her blackmail pressures. After much pain and heart break all around, Melissa dropped the law suit and moved to another state.
The attorney commented that he had never been so emotionally overwhelmed in his entire life.
Indeed, using their "emotional performances," these individuals can be truly overwhelming. Their charisma can be so inspiring
- their emotion so deep and sincere-seeming - that people just want to be around them, want to help them, want to give all and support
such a noble, suffering being. What is generally not seen by the victim is that they are feeding an endless internal hunger for control,
excitement and ego-recognition.
The psychopath is obsessed with control even if they give the impression of being helpless. Their pretense to emotional sensitivity
is really part of their control function: The higher the level of belief in the psychopath that can be induced in their victim through
their dramas, the more "control" the psychopath believes they have. And in fact, this is true. They DO have control when others believe
their lies. Sadly, the degree of belief, the degree of "submission" to this control via false representation, generally produces
so much pain when the truth is glimpsed that the victim would prefer to continue in the lie than face the fact that they have been
duped. The psychopath counts on this. It is part of their "actuarial calculations." It gives them a feeling of power.
It is all too easy to fall under the spell of the charismatic psychopath. There are many who do the psychopath's bidding without
realizing that they have been subtly and cleverly controlled. They can even be manipulated to perform criminal acts, or acts of sabotage
against another - innocent - person on behalf of the psychopath. Very often, when this is realized by the victim, that they have
caused suffering in innocent people at the behest of a liar, again they prefer to deny this than to face up to the truth of their
own perfidy and gullibility.
Psychopathic behavior seems to be on the rise because of the very nature of American capitalistic society. The great hustlers,
charmers, and self-promoters in the sales fields are perfect examples of where the psychopath can thrive. The entertainment industry,
the sports industry, the corporate world in a Capitalistic system, are all areas where psychopaths naturally rise to the top. Some
observers believe that there is a psychological continuum between psychopaths (who tend to be professionally unsuccessful) and narcissistic
entrepreneurs (who are successful), because these two groups share the highly developed skill of manipulating others for their own
gain. It is now being thought that they are actually the "same" but that the "unsuccessful" psychopath is merely flawed in their
calculating abilities. They are unable to recalculate based on new actuarial data. Successful Narcissists might seem to be perfectly
able to add to their actuarial database and "recalculate" and shift course and develop new subroutines based on ongoing input.
In general, the successful psychopath "computes" how much they can get away with in a cost-benefit ratio of the alternatives.
Among the factors that they consider as most important are money, power, and gratification of negative desires. They are not motivated
by such social reinforcment as praise or future benefits. Studies have been done that show locking up a psychopath has absolutely
no effect on them in terms of modifying their life strategies. In fact, in is shown to make them worse. Effectively, when locked
up, psychopaths just simply learn how to be better psychopaths.
Since the psychopath bases their activities designed to get what they want on their particular "theory of mind," it is instructive
to have a look at this issue. Having a "theory of mind" allows an individual to impute mental states (thoughts, perceptions, and
feelings) not only to oneself, but also to other individuals. It is, in effect, a tool that helps us predict the behavior of others.
The most successful individuals are those who most accurately predict what another person will do given a certain set of circumstances.
In the present day, we have Game Theory which is being used to model many social problems including psychopathy.
When two individuals interact with each other, each must decide what to do without knowledge of what the other is doing. Imagine
that the two players are the government and the public. In the following model, each of the players faces only a binary choice: to
behave ethically either in making laws or in obeying them.
The assumption is that both players are informed about everything except the level of ethical behavior of the other. They know
what it means to act ethically, and they know the consequences of being exposed as unethical.
There are three elements to the game. 1) The players, 2) the strategies available to either of them, and 3) the payoff each player
receives for each possible combination of strategies.
In a legal regime, one party is obliged to compensate the other for damages under certain conditions but not under others. We
are going to imagine a regime wherein the government is never liable for losses suffered by the public because of its unethical behavior
- instead, the public has to pay for the damages inflicted by the government due to unethical behavior.
The way the payoffs are represented is generally in terms of money. That is, how much investment does each player have to make
in ethical behavior and how much payoff does each player receive for his investment.
In this model, behaving ethically, according to standards of social values that are considered the "norm," costs each player $10.00.
When law detrimental to the public is passed, it costs the public $100.00. We take it as a given that such laws will be passed unless
both players behave ethically.
Next, we assume that the likelihood of a detrimental law being passed in the event that both the public and the government are
behaving ethically is a one-in-ten chance.
In a legal regime in which the government is never held responsible for its unethical behavior, and if neither the government
nor the public behave ethically, the government enjoys a payoff of $0. and the public is out $100 when a law detrimental to the public
is passed.
If both "invest" in ethical behavior, the government has a payoff of minus $10. (the cost of behaving ethically) and the public
is out minus $20. which is the $10. invested in being ethical PLUS the $10. of the one-in-ten chance of a $100. loss incurred if
a detrimental law is passed.
If the government behaves ethically and the public does not, resulting in the passing of a law detrimental to the populace, the
government is out the $10. invested in being ethical and the public is out $100.
If the government does not behave ethically, and the public does, the government has a payoff of $0. and the public is out $110
which is the "cost of being ethical" added to the losses suffered when the government passes detrimental laws. Modeled in a Game
Theory Bi-matrix, it looks like this, with the two numbers representing the "payoff" to the people - the left number in each pair
- and government - the right number in each pair.
Government
No Ethics
Ethical
No Ethics
-100, 0
-100, -10
Society/People
Ethical
-110, 0
-20, -10
In short, in this game, the government always does better by not being ethical and we can predict the government's choice of strategy
because there is a single strategy - no ethics - that is better for the government no matter what choice the public makes. This is
a "strictly dominant strategy," or a strategy that is the best choice for the player no matter what choices are made by the other
player.
What is even worse is the fact that the public is PENALIZED for behaving ethically. Since we know that the government, in the
above regime, will never behave ethically because it is the dominant strategy, we find that ethical behavior on the part of the public
actually costs MORE than unethical behavior.
In short, psychopathic behavior is actually a POSITIVE ADAPTATION in such a regime.
The public, as you see, cannot even minimize their losses by behaving ethically. It costs them $110. to be ethical, and only $100.
to not be ethical.
Now, just substitute "psychopath" in the place of the government and non-psychopath in the place of the public, and you begin
to understand why the psychopath will always be a psychopath. If the "payoff" is emotional pain of being hurt, or shame for being
exposed, in the world of the psychopath, that consequence simply does not exist just as in the legal regime created above, the government
is never responsible for unethical behavior. The psychopath lives in a world in which it is like a government that is never held
responsible for behavior that is detrimental to others. It's that simple. And the form game above will tell you why psychopaths in
the population, as well as in government, are able to induce the public to accept laws that are detrimental. It simply isn't worth
it to be ethical. If you go along with the psychopath, you lose. If you resist the psychopath, you lose even more.
The [psychopath] is unfamiliar with the primary facts or data of what might be called personal values and is altogether
incapable of understanding such matters. It is impossible for him to take even a slight interest in the tragedy or joy or
the striving of humanity as presented in serious literature or art. He is also indifferent to all these matters in life itself.
Beauty and ugliness, except in a very superficial sense, goodness, evil, love, horror, and humour have no actual meaning, no power
to move him. He is, furthermore, lacking in the ability to see that others are moved. It is as though he were colour-blind, despite
his sharp intelligence, to this aspect of human existence. It cannot be explained to him because there is nothing in his orbit
of awareness that can bridge the gap with comparison. He can repeat the words and say glibly that he understands, and there is
no way for him to realize that he does not understand. [Cleckley, H.M. (1941). The mask of sanity: An attempt to reinterpret
the so-called psychopathic personality. St. Louis: The C. V. Mosby Company]
It also means that such a person is free to choose to do things that are potentially self-destructive without giving a single
indication to another "player" that his or her choice is based entirely on a delusion. Very often, they "win" because of the sheer
boldness of their actions which is unrestricted by conscience which is a construct of emotions.
It's like a poker player who has absolutely nothing in his hand, but because he is so intent on winning, and is so unmoved by
the possibility of losing because lying produces absolutely no internal, emotional reaction of fear of being discovered or the potential
shame or disaster inherent in such an event, is able to bluff so convincingly that the other players - any of whom might have a winning
hand, fold and walk away because they are convinced by the psychopath's confidence that he must have the winning hand of all time.
Only he doesn't.
And this means that the psychopath's strength is also his Achilles heel. Once he has been spotted, identified, understood, he
no longer has the power to bluff. Once knowledge enters the game, the psychopath is exposed, and has no more ability to "con" the
other players. The sad part is: he also has no ability to learn from this experience anything other than how to make his bluff better
and more convincing next time. The psychopath never gets mad because he is caught in a lie; he is only concerned with "damage control"
in terms of his ability to continue to con others.
Societies can be considered as "players" in the psychopath's game model.
The past behavior of a society will be used by the psychopath to predict the future behavior of that society. Like an individual
player, a society will have a certain probability of detecting deception and a more or less accurate memory of who has cheated on
them in the past, as well as a developed or not developed proclivity to retaliate against a liar and cheater. Since the psychopath
is using an actuarial approach to assess the costs and benefits of different behaviors (just how much can he get away with), it is
the actual past behavior of the society which will go into his calculations rather than any risk assessments based on any "fears
or anxieties" of being caught and punished that empathic people would feel in anticipation of doing something illegal.
Thus, in order to reduce psychopathic behavior in society and in government, a society MUST establish and enforce a reputation
for high rates of detection of deception and identification of liars, and a willingness to retaliate. In other words, it must establish
a successful strategy of deterrence.
Since the psychopath is particularly unable to make decisions based on future consequences, and is able only to focus attention
on immediate gratification - short term goals - it is possible that such individuals can be dealt with by establishing a history
of dealing out swift social retaliation. That is, identifying and punishing liars and cheaters must be both immediate and predictable
that it will be immediate.
And here we come to the issue: concerning the real-world, human social interactions on a large scale, reducing psychopathy in
our leaders depends upon expanding society's collective memory of individual players' past behavior.
Any reasonable scan of the news will reveal that lies and cheating are not "covered up" as thoroughly as American apologists would
like to think.
Even the less well-informed Americans have some idea that there was certainly something fishy about the investigation into the
assassination of JFK. In recent years, the man in charge of the Warren Commission, Gerald Ford, also a former president, admitted
to "cheating" on the report.
Then, there was Watergate followed by the Iran-Contra affair, not to mention "Monica-gate." And here we are just hitting some
highlights familiar to all Americans.
What consequences did the cheaters of society suffer?
None to speak of. In fact, in nearly every case, they were rewarded handsomely with those things of value to the psychopath: money
and material goods. If anyone thinks they were shamed by public exposure, think again!
But what is of CRUCIAL interest here is the fact that the American people have simply NOT responded to the revelations of lies
in government with any outrage that could be considered more than token. At the present time, there isn't even "token outrage."
Don't you find that odd?
But we have already noted the reason: the American way of life has optimized the survival of psychopathy and in a world of psychopaths,
those who are not genetic psychopaths, are induced to behave like psychopaths simply to survive. When the rules are set up to make
a society "adaptive" to psychopathy, it makes psychopaths of everyone. As a consequence, a very large number of Americans are effective
sociopaths. (Here we use "sociopath" as a designation of those individuals who are not genetic psychopaths.)
And so, we have George Bush and the Third Reich calculating how much they can get away with by looking at the history of the reactions
of the American People to cheating.
There aren't any because the system is adaptive to psychopathy. In other words, Americans support Bush and his agenda because
most of them are LIKE him.
But that is not because they are ALL born that way. It is because psychopathy is almost required to survive in Competitive, Capitalistic
America.
As a society gets larger and more competitive, individuals become more anonymous and more Machiavellian. Social stratification
and segregation leads to feelings of inferiority, pessimism and depression among the have-nots, and this promotes the use of "cheating
strategies" in life which then makes the environment more adaptive for psychopathy in general.
Psychopathic behavior among non-genetic psychopaths could be viewed as a functional method of obtaining desirable resources, increasing
an individual's status in a local group, and even a means of providing stimulation that socially and financially successful people
find in acceptable physical and intellectual challenges. In other words, the psychopath is a bored and frustrated sensation-seeker
who "does not have the intellectual capacitiy to amuse and occupy himself" internally. Such individuals may begin their lives in
the lower socio-economic levels, but they often rise to the top.
In America, a great many households are affected by the fact that work, divorce, or both, have removed one or both parents from
interaction with their children for much of the day. This is a consequence of Capitalistic economics.
When the parents are absent, or even when one is present but not in possession of sufficient knowledge or information, children
are left to the mercies of their peers, a culture shaped by the media. Armed with joysticks and TV remotes, children are guided from
South Park and Jerry Springer to Mortal Kombat on Nintendo. Normal kids become desensitized
to violence. More-susceptible kids - children with a genetic inheritance of psychopathy - are pushed toward a dangerous mental precipice.
Meanwhile, the government is regularly passing laws, on the demand of parents and the psychological community, designed to avoid
imposing consequences on junior's violent behavior.
As for media violence, few researchers continue to try to dispute that bloodshed on TV and in the movies has an effect on the
kids who witness it. Added to the mix now are video games structured around models of hunting and killing. Engaged by graphics, children
learn to associate spurts of "blood" with the primal gratification of scoring a "win."
Again, economics controls the reality.
While everyone will readily admit that there is probably too much violence on television and that the ads are probably pure balderdash,
very few people have a real conception of the precise nature and extent of the hypnotic influence of the media. Still fewer have
any idea of the purposes behind this inducement. Wallace and Wallechinsky write in The People's Almanac:
"After World War II, television flourished... Psychologists and sociologists were brought in to study human nature in relation
to selling; in other words, to figure out how to manipulate people without their feeling manipulated. Dr. Ernest Dichter, President
of the Institute for Motivational Research made a statement in 1941... 'the successful ad agency manipulates human motivations
and desires and develops a need for goods with which the public has at one time been unfamiliar -- perhaps even undesirous of
purchasing.
"Discussing the influence of television, Daniel Boorstin wrote:
'Here at last is a supermarket of surrogate experience. Successful programming offers entertainment -- under the guise of instruction;
instruction -- under the guise of entertainment; political persuasion -- with the appeal of advertising; and advertising -- with
the appeal of drama.'
"Programmed television serves not only to spread acquiescence and conformity, but it represents a deliberate industry
approach." [quoted by Wallace, Wallechinsky]
Aside from the fact that television has been conjectured to be extremely detrimental to children and that it is now thought that
most of the deteriorating aspects of society can be attributed to the decaying values portrayed on television, there is a deeper
and more insidious effect upon the human psyche. As quoted, it is a planned and deliberate manipulation to spread acquiescence and
conformity and to hypnotize the masses to submit to the authority of the masters of economics through their false prophet, the television.
Allen Funt, host of a popular show, Candid Camera, was once asked what was the most disturbing thing he had learned
about people in his years of dealing with them through the media. His response was chilling in its ramifications:
"The worst thing, and I see it over and over, is how easily people can be led by any kind of authority figure, or even the most
minimal kinds of authority. A well dressed man walks up the down escalator and most people will turn around and try desperately
to go up also... We put up a sign on the road, 'Delaware Closed Today'. Motorists didn't even question it. Instead they asked:
'Is Jersey open?'" [quoted by Wallace, Wallechinsky]
A picture is forming of a deliberately contrived society of televised conformity, literate and creative inadequacy, and social
unrest and decadence. It is apparent that the media is in charge of propagating these conditions, and the media is controlled by
what?
Capitalistic, competitive Economics.
It would seem that the motivation masters would, in the interests of their industrial clients, plan programming to bring about
beneficial societal conditions - which they could, in fact, do. It is apparent that the final authority on televised programming
is in the hands of the advertisers, backed by the industries whose products are being sold. With all the psychological input to which
they have access, it would seem that they utilize programming to correct societal conditions which cost them money. Over 25 billion
dollars a year is spent to teach workers to read and write, after graduating from the combined effects of a public school system
and the television. It is accepted that the burgeoning crime rate, which also costs these industrial giants vast sums of money, is
mostly attributable to the frustrations and dissatisfactions engendered by the false view of reality presented over the television.
Why don't they use their financial resources to back the motivation masters to figure out how to present programming which could
effect positive changes?
Can it be that the conditions of society, including the programed response to "minimal signs of authority" are planned? Would
anyone care to suggest that the figures and studies relating to the detrimental influence of programming is not available to them
and that they don't realize that it is costing them money? If that is the case, then they are too stupid to be arbiters of our values
and we should disregard them entirely in any event. If it is not the case, then we must assume that there is an object to this
manipulation.
There is much evidence to support the idea that this purpose, or the object of this manipulation, is to create psychological and
social disunity - social psychopathy - sufficient to permit the instituting of a totalitarian government at the behest of the people.
It is further theorized that the "wealthy elite" seek to control the entire world from behind the scenes and it is to this end that
they mastermind and fund the various actions which appear to the masses as political and international "accidents".
FDR. said:
"Nothing in politics ever happens by accident; if it happens, you can bet it was planned!"
And he was in a position to know.
There is much evidence to support the notion that wars are fomented and fought to redistribute these balances of financial power
behind the scenes and that, though our fathers, brother, grandfathers, uncles, cousins and sons die in these actions, they are merely
games of "International Relations" played by those whose money and position give them absolute power to shape our reality to some
nefarious end.
The psychic stresses of our world are right in the home. There they can easily act on any kid who believes that "the world has
wronged me" - a sentiment spoken from the reality of existence - a reality created by economic pressures instituted via Game Theory.
Is there a solution?
The obvious solution would be a world in which, at the very least, the psychopath - in government or in society - would be forced
to be responsible for unethical behavior. But game-theory modeling demonstrates that selfishness is always the most profitable
strategy possible for replicating units.
Could it ever be an evolutionarily stable strategy for people to be innately unselfish?
On the whole, a capacity to cheat, to compete and to lie has proven to be a stupendously successful adaptation. Thus the idea
that selection pressure could ever cause saintliness to spread in a society looks implausible in practice. It doesn't seem feasible
to outcompete genes which promote competitiveness. "Nice guys" get eaten or outbred. Happy people who are unaware get eaten or outbred.
Happiness and niceness today is vanishingly rare, and the misery and suffering of those who are able to truly feel, who are empathic
toward other human beings, who have a conscience, is all too common. And the psychopathic manipulations are designed to make psychopaths
of us all.
Nevertheless, a predisposition to, conscience, ethics, can prevail if and when it is also able to implement the deepest
level of altruism: making the object of its empathy the higher ideal of enhancing free will in the abstract sense, for the sake
of others, including our descendants.
In short, our "self-interest" ought to be vested in collectively ensuring that all others are happy and well-disposed too;
and in ensuring that children we bring into the world have the option of being constitutionally happy and benevolent toward one another.
This means that if psychopathy threatens the well-being of the group future, then it can be only be dealt with by refusing to
allow the self to be dominated by it on an individual, personal basis. Preserving free will for the self in the practical sense,
ultimately preserves free will for others. Protection of our own rights AS the rights of others, underwrites the free will position
and potential for happiness of all. If mutant psychopaths pose a potential danger then true empathy, true ethics, true conscience,
dictates using prophylactic therapy against psychopaths.
And so it is that identifying the psychopath, ceasing our interaction with them, cutting them off from our society, making ourselves
unavailable to them as "food" or objects to be conned and used, is the single most effective strategy that we can play.
It seems certain from the evidence that a positive transformation of human nature isn't going to come about through a great spiritual
awakening, socio-economic reforms, or a spontaneous desire among the peoples of the world to be nice to each other. But it's quite
possible that, in the long run, the psychopathic program of suffering will lose out because misery is not a stable strategy. In a
state of increasing misery, victims will seek to escape it; and this seeking will ultimately lead them to inquire into the true state
of their misery, and that may lead to a society of intelligent people who will have the collective capacity to do so.
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