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Neoliberal Propaganda:
Journalism in the Service of the Powerful Few

Journalism Vacation from Truth is a direct threat to democracy. Without journalistic integrity, there is no democracy as the average voter cannot make an informed choice. Inverted totalitarism won some time ago.

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People! ~ Donald Trump

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News Neoliberal newspeak Recommended Links US and British media are servants of security apparatus Tucker Carlson rejection of neoliberalism Neoliberal war on reality Demonization of Putin
NeoMcCartyism Integrity Initiative Journalists for Hire How the CIA Buys the News by Dr. Udo Ulfkotte Luke Harding: a pathetic author of book that rehash Steele Dossier Edward Lucas as agent provocateur William Browder, economic rape of Russia and Magnitsky Act Litvinenko poisoning
Charlie Hebdo - more questions then answers Manchester attack vs Charlie Hebdo Patterns of Propaganda Who Shot down Malaysian flight MH17? The Guardian Slips Beyond the Reach of Embarrassment NYT degeneration into a deep state stooge Pussy Riot Provocation -- the hand of MI6?
Neoliberal war on reality Classic Hypocrisy of British Ruling Elite Is national security state in the USA gone rogue ? Steele dossier The importance of controlling the narrative MSM as attack dogs of color revolution Anti Trump Hysteria
Corruption of the language Doublespeak Whataboutism as a thought crime Media-Military-Industrial Complex Freedom of speech played by Western MSM as three card monte The Deep State Special Prosecutor Mueller and his fishing expedition
Discrediting the opponent as favorite tactic of neoliberals Purple revolution against Trump Anti-Russian hysteria in connection emailgate and DNC leak Deconstructing neoliberalism's definition of 'freedom' Co-opting of the Human Rights to embarrass governments who oppose neoliberalism Bullshit as MSM communication method Manipulation of the term "freedom of press"
MSM Sochi Bashing Rampage Cold War II "Fuck the EU": State Department neocons show EU its real place Michael Wolff's "Fire and fury" revelations and slander of Trump administration Coordinated set of leaks as a color revolution tool Neo-fascism New American Militarism
Deception as an art form Diplomacy by deception Media as a weapon of mass deception Inside "democracy promotion" hypocrisy fair The attempt to secure global hegemony Democracy as a universal opener for access to natural resources Nation under attack meme
Lewis Powell Memo Anatol Leiven on American Messianism Neocolonialism as Financial Imperialism What's the Matter with Kansas Groupthink Soft propaganda Boeing 737 MAX fiasco
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass The Good Soldier Svejk Nineteen Eighty-Four Brave New World Propaganda Quotes Humor Etc

"The truth is that the newspaper is not a place for information to be given, rather it is just hollow content, or more than that, a provoker of content. If it prints lies about atrocities, real atrocities are the result."

Karl Kraus, 1914

WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

1984

We are the world, we are exceptional, we cannot fail. The elite will lie, and the people will pretend to believe them. Heck about 20 percent of the American public will believe almost anything if it is wrapped with the right prejudice and appeal to passion.

jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com, Feb 04, 2015

"The media's interest in the well-being of a foreign population is directly proportional to the West's interest in toppling its government, while editorial standards are inversely proportional to its enemy status." ~John McEvoy

The UK's propaganda machine rivals and even surpasses Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.  

~ Comment by Gravatomic , Apr 17, 2019 link

I think journalists today — elite journalists at least — absorb the biases of the ruling neoliberal oligarchy far more readily than they used to do. The media establishment is populated by yes-men. I do not understand how any skeptical person can, in good conscience, trust a western MSM description of foreign events. You need a second source to compare coverage. The mainstream media gives us no real news. Just the regurgitation of  talking points they were given. Seeing how they treat the concept of truth these days, one might think that 1984 dystopia was an understatement. 

Truth killing is a meta-issue ( nationalinterest.org (

The problem is fundamental, and relates to a broad spectrum of policy issues both foreign and domestic, because truth — factual reality — is a necessary foundation to consider and evaluate and debate policy on any subject. 

Crushing the truth means not just our having to endure any one misdirected policy; it means losing the ability even to address policy intelligently. 

To the extent that falsehood is successfully instilled in the minds of enough people, the political system loses what would otherwise be its ability to provide a check on policy that is bad policy because it is inconsistent with factual reality.

I think it is good that people question their lying politicians and these lying, corrupt partisans pretending to be MSM pundits. If that means that MSM try to slander the people as “conspiracy theorists” you should take it with a grain of salt. As Gore Vidal quipped they are actually  "conspiracy analysts" not "conspiracy theorists".  BTW the term was invented by CIA to crush alternative versions of JFK assassination.  This label is a form of censorship, plain and simple.

I would rather be a conspiracy theorist than take anything CNN or FOX says as gospel. Or, God forbid, believe what US politicians say to justify their action or inaction. Skepticism is good. These people don’t automatically deserve our trust. As Reagan said (translating Russian proverb) "Trust but verify".  

The angle under which this page views events and MSM can be called anti-neoliberal angle (please note that the term populism is the attempt to discredit any anti-neoliberal movement). Until recently such sites were a lone  voice. In 2019 this changed. See Tucker Carlson rejection of neoliberalism

If you take in television news as truthful information, that's all a critically thinking person needs to know about you. In reality 99% of political coverage is neoliberal propaganda, sometimes refined, sometimes crude.

Propaganda can be defined as a war on reality using fake news, disinformation, projection, witch-hunts (see neo_Mccarthhyism) and other methods. An attempt to create an artificial reality.

Propaganda can be defined as a war on reality using fake news, disinformation, projection, witch-hunts (see neo_Mccarthhyism)  and other methods. It is an attempt to create an artificial reality.  The key here is controlling the narrative.  For example, "fake news" hysteria is a perfect method of suppressing of dissent and questions about MSM ties to three-letter agencies ( see US and British media are servants of security apparatus )

Journalists manipulate us in the interest of the Powerful. Do you also have the feeling, that you are often manipulated by the media and  lied to? Then you're like the majority of Germans. Previously it was considered as a "conspiracy theory". Now it revealed by an Insider, who tells us what is really happening under the hood.

The Journalist Udo Ulfkotte ashamed today that he spent 17 years in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. ...he reveals why opinion leaders produce tendentious reports and serve as the extended Arm of the NATO press office. ...the author also was admitted into the networks of American elite organizations, received in return for positive coverage in the US even a certificate of honorary citizenship.

In this book you will learn about industry lobby organisations. The author calls hundreds of names and looks behind the Scenes of those organizations, which exert bias into media, such as: Atlantic bridge, Trilateral Commission, the German Marshall Fund, American Council on Germany, American Academy, Aspen Institute, and the Institute for European politics. Also revealed are the intelligence backgrounds of those lobby groups, the methods and forms of propaganda and financing used, for example, by the US Embassy. Which funds  projects for the targeted influencing of public opinion in Germany 

...You realize how you are being manipulated - and you know from whom and why. At the end it becomes clear that diversity of opinion will now only be simulated. Because our "messages" are often pure brainwashing.

Gekaufte Journalisten - Medienwelt Enthüllungen Bücher - Kopp Verlag

Simplifying, the US MSM foreign events media coverage (and large part of domestic coverage related to the opposition to neoliberalism and neoliberal globalization, see Anti Trump Hysteria during elections and immediately after them ) has very little to do with the reality and is mostly a barometer of the paranoia of the US neoliberal elite.  It is 100% propaganda, or as CBS like to call it "fake news".

How does Fake History and Fake News in the US MSM gradually superseded their reality-based version (which never was perfect, and often quite distorted)  is a very interesting question but it is too big for this page. I would only say that this process is closely connected with the process of the neoliberalization of the US society which started in full force in late 70th (see also late Sheldon Wolin  notion of  Inverted Totalitarism) . We can take election of Reagan as a starting point although the process started immediately after WWII. From this point "fake news" were enforced on the US society as the only acceptable narrative? Which, is essence, is a neoliberal war on reality.

The process started with the creation of CIA. The key question that arise in this regard is whether  representative democracy is compatible with the existence large all-powerful and largely uncontrollable and positioned "above the law" intelligence  agencies. 

The key question that arise in this regard is whether  representative democracy is compatible with the existence large all-powerful and largely uncontrollable and positioned "above the law" intelligence  agencies.

At some point any society with powerful intelligence  agencies naturally arrive to the point when "the tail wags the dog."  In other words they became political power and in institutional hierarchy are positioned above White House.  In the USA this probably happened  around 1963, with the JFK assassination.  In a way the USSR via Truman enforced its model of governance on the USA ;-). Creation of intelligence agencies by Truman was actually the act of the creation of national security state. Which could be  viewed as an official end of the US democracy with quick (less then two decades) rise to power of the Deep State (with the first major victory demonstrated to the US people in 1963).  

With it the huge apparatus of state propaganda (and by extension means of suppressing of dissent) intelligence  agencies, which gradually acquired political power including considerable (but not yet absolute, that will come much later, after 9/11) level of control of MSM  (see Church Committee - Wikipedia ).   Which is documented in the book by Dr. Udo Ulfkotte Journalists for Hire How the CIA Buys the News

After 1963, the level outrage in the society was such that there were some meek attempts to check this power, especially the power of intelligence agencies over the MSM (Church Committee - Wikipedia  was probably the most well known) but they lead to nowhere.  CIa and other inteeligence againces remain positioned above the White House.  

Color revolution against Trump (aka Russiagate) launched by CIA and FBI after election has shown who is the real master of the USA. It was accompanied by unprecedented neo-McCarthism campaign in which neoliberal MSM lost any remnants of decency and objectivity. 

The recent incident with CIA director Gina Haspel lying to President  Trump to inflict severe sanctions on Russia is just a confirmation of the level of this influence. She will never be fired for her  "transgressions"

Apr 17, 2019 | www.moonofalabama.org

William Gruff , Apr 16, 2019 4:41:41 PM | link

"If Trump were not in on the schemes he would just fire his underlings!"

This sentiment indicates a failure to understand the power dynamics at play here. Haspel is not the "underling" . Trump is the underling. Sure, being that he is also an oligarch makes Trump's role in the show complicated, but Presidents are installed in order to serve the oligarchy, and the CIA are top level strategists/enforcers for the oligarchy.

In the real organization chart for the empire the CIA is above the President. This has been the case in the US since Kennedy.

Trump cannot fire Haspel or Pompeo. They can fire him, though, and with a sniper's bullet if they want.

Unfortunately for the oligarchy, that would cause additional complications at a time when they have lots of tricky and inexplicably unstable (for them) operations ongoing, which is why they are just steering Trump around instead of replacing him. And Trump is willfully cooperating, even if they are not filling him in on the plans.

Trump will not fire Haspel. He can't. He's just an actor playing a role in a show, and Haspel is one of the producers/writers of that show. If she doesn't put firing in the script then Trump cannot say those lines. I doubt he really wants to anyway.

Principles of War propaganda

 Principles are are well known since the WWI (Falsehood in War-Time):

1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred. "The ages-old 'God bless America' is playing once more."
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.

The blog empirestrikesblack cites Belgian investigative journalist Michel Collon who has outlined five principles driving war propaganda:

  1. Obscure one’s economic interests;
  2. Appear humanitarian in work and motivations;
  3. Obscure history;
  4. Demonize the enemy; and
  5. Monopolize the flow of information.

NeoMcCarthyism

NeoMcCarthyism campaign which was launched around mid 2016 by Democratic Party operatives as tactical tool to distract attention from DNC corruption and illegal removal of Bernie Sanders from the Democratic ticket after lection of Trump turned into important component of color revolution against Trump. And was fueled not only by MSM but also powerful factions of neoliberals and neocons in US intelligence agencies concerted about their future and the level of financing of "national security parasites".  They also have skeletons in the closet to hide (especially FBI and CIA) and did not prepare well to the Trump victory as this was a huge surprise for everybody including Trump himself.  See Steele dossier and Strzok-gate

Please note that the original McCarthyism campaign lasted more then a decade. And McCarthyism was not exactly or only about Communist infiltration into the US government. It has elements of a more general framework of suppressing any "dissidents" who question "official narrative" and simultaneously served as the framework of brainwashing of population creating a stereotype of enemy, in best Bolsheviks, or, if you wish Nazi Germany, style. In other words, like in famous Orwell novel 1984, under McCarthyism questioning of official narrative has  become a "though  crime" (much like it was in the USSR, especially under Stalinism period).   And repressions were real, although far less extensive and brutal, than in the USSR in 30th.  Thousands of people lost jobs and were blacklisted. Many ostracized, especially from artistic circles, committed suicides.

While Senator McCartney has a certain gist for blackmailing people and, being an alcoholic, he probably would be a suitable candidate for high position in NKVD, he was not a pioneer. He was just a talented follower. This type of modern witch hunt was first implemented on large scale by Bolsheviks in Russia after 1917.  Actually Bolsheviks originated many modern methods of brainwashing of the population.  Which later were enhanced and further developed in Nazi Germany and than imported to the USA after WWII.

That all brings us to the concept of "deep state" and its control of MSM.  The problem with the "deep state" approach to governance is that it replicates Bolshevism on a new, more polished,  level, with high officials of intelligence agencies, Wall Street and  military industrial complex as a new Politburo.  Which is not elected but still controls that nations. So much for remnants of democracy in the USA.  That does not mean that some deviations from the "Party line" are impossible: the election of Trump is one  such event. But loop at the power of the reaction of the "deep state" on this event. Not that Trump (who can be viewed as some kind of Republican "Change we can believe in" Obama" ) was intended to follow his election promises in any case.  The level of vetting of candidates is two party system probably is higher then many of us suspect.

As currently there is no alternative to neoliberalism, the current situation will continue to exist. Notwithstanding  the fact that neoliberal ideology was discredited after 2008 financial crisis, much like Bolshevism in 60th. Bolshevism as a theocratic ideology was essentially dead after WWII (although it managed to kick the can down the road for another 45 years). After 60the Soviet people despite constant brainwashing started to have wide-ranging doubts about the communist state and communist ideology. Listening to state-sponsored propaganda radio-stations from the West such as BBC and Voice of America became national pasture of Soviet citizens, especially educated one. Despite all the jamming.  Similar situation happened with the USA after 2008, when citizen suddenly start showing some level of interest RT broadcasts and views on internal situation in the USA ;-). And, of cause, all this needs to be  stopped. In the name of the "health of the state", democracy be dumned (religious term which literally means "condemned to eternal punishment")

In this particular sense, imitating the enemy by the USA elite after WWII, which was done to fight communist  threat (which was overblown) was a very dangerous course with far reaching consequences.  The new level of this process of "imitating  the enemy" now started with the USA -- the rise of alternative press (kind of Samizdat replica from Soviet past) and clumsy attempt of the deep state to suppress it claiming that they are propagator of "fake news" with the subtext that they are Russian agents  (the campaign which spectacularly backfired: which the help of President Trump tweets this term now became the standard nickname of the "official" US MSM).  That brings us directly to revising Stalin's "Show trials" and corresponding witch-hunt in the USSR.  Appointing  Muller to investigate Trump for "Russian connection" (so called "Russiagate") replays favorite theme of accusing enemies of Stalin of being British agents.  On a new level incorporating set of political technologies of overthrowing the legitimate government commonly known  as "color revolution" technologies. But in both cases it is all about eliminating political rivals.

In broader context the current practice of manipulating population is similar to "high demand cults" style practice  -- Bolshevism actually can be best viewed as a religious cult merged with the political movement, much like political Islam today ( Belief-coercion in high demand cults ):

They use all of the techniques as "low demand" faith groups use: requiring members to accept a system of beliefs, conforming to certain behavioral norms; expecting them to involve themselves in the life of the congregation, etc. However, mind-control groups add many additional methods, and take them all to a much higher level. Some are:

Members are not physically restrained from leaving the group. They are not held prisoner. They can walk away at any time. But there are strong pressures to remain. If they left, all social and emotional support would disappear; they will often be shunned. Some groups teach that God will abandon or punish them if they leave. They may be told that they will die in the imminent war of Armageddon if they leave the protection of the group.

The main methods here always was the generation and totalitarian control of "suitable" narrative (that's why Sheldon Wolin called neoliberal society "inverted totalitarism"):

"The primary aim of official propaganda is to generate an "official narrative" that can be mindlessly repeated by the ruling classes and those who support and identify with them. This official narrative does not have to make sense, or to stand up to any sort of serious scrutiny. Its factualness is not the point. The point is to draw a Maginot line, a defensive ideological boundary, between "the truth" as defined by the ruling classes and any other "truth" that contradicts their narrative. "

Gerald Celente coined the  term "presstitutes", which is obviously politically incorrect, but still is a very precise term: presstitutes sell themselves to neoliberal establishment for access and governments to prosper financially and to keep their jobs. In the USSR journalist were called "soldiers of the Party" so in the less humiliating way we can call them "soldiers of neoliberal establishment" ;-). 

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[Mar 28, 2020] Beware padding unproven advertising of Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquione as cures for COVID-19 from Esxobar and similar unqualified folk

Mar 28, 2020 | www.unz.com

KA , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 3:03 pm GMT

Hydroxyxhloroquine is antimalarial,works on the DNA , and accumulates in white blood cells . Corona virus is RNA. Possible other mechanism includes suppression of T lymphocytes , decreased white blood cell migration to the injured area ,stabilization of lysosomal enzymes which means the enzymes that can attack pathogen and also human normal cells are being prevented from release from inside the immune cells and suppression of DNA and RNA synthesis.

I am not aware that has ever been to be effective against any virus in the past. It doesn't work on the Angiotensin receptor or signal transduction down stream .

Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquione are used for Rheumatoid arthritis but they don't alter the bone damages They are not very effective DMARDs ( disease modifying anti rheumatic drugs ) .It is also used against Graft versus Host rejection . Not effective enough.

Any antiviral medicine has to work on one of these sites or on combination of these sites- attachment of virus to cells, f penetration ( nucleus) , uncoating, protien synthesis , nucleic acid synthesis, packaging , and assembly of new virus , then the last part -viral release from cell to attack new cells. Hydroxychloroquine is not known to attack any of these processes .

Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine are known to work differently in rheumatoid and graft vs host disease or in some patients with SLE.

I am not sure if these 2 can be considered as an orphan drug and approved by FDA

I am not sure how French jumped to the idea that this medication would work ( usually a possible mechanism of action or anecdotal data have to be furnished before trying or have two have animal data )

So let's not celebrate French microbiologist or IHU and jump to some theories on the behaviors of French ministers or pharmaceuticals.

JT , says: Website Show Comment March 26, 2020 at 10:55 pm GMT
Since March 17th the pin on my twitter profile promotes the preventive use of chloroquine to treat the Novel Coronovirus. I've been following the debate about this anti-malarial (polio and yellow fever) drug closely. I like Escobar's article, but there are several problems with it, that even I, as a proponent of chloroquine cannot ignore.

First, the claim that Agnes Buzyn (mispelled twice in the article as "Buzy"), classified the drug as a poison, thus requiring prescription.

this is false. Chloroquine, in its market French form known as Nivaquine, was never over the counter. Never. In fact very few Western countries ever sold it over the counter. In most US states, it was prescription based. It is lethal when used inappropriately.

Second, with all due respect to Dr. Raoult, he is absolutely wrong about viral load in terminal stages of Covid-19. Corona virus is anything but low or nearly absent. In fact, its viral load is extremely high and a good measure of patient outcome at admission, and no amount of antiviral treatment can reduce it on its own at this point. Raoult was either trying to say that corona is not the cause of mortality, which is technically true, or like 99% of doctors fighting Corona, has no grasp of what the virus actually does.

The gist of the Escobar article is problematic. Nothing concrete about how Sanofi or Big Pharma is planning on cashing in by delaying chloroquine production. Last week Sanofi donated 300,000 "dosses" of chloroquine to the United States. The drug has been around for 60 years and is listed by the WHO as a required drug in all medical systems with required possibilities of local production. The criteria of which are known only to experts.

As for the theory that chloroquine supplies have been pilfered my French sources told me supplies had been seized. Macron may be pursuing a policy of herd immunity, but doesn't have the political luxury of being public about it, and a little less literalism is a helpful corrective for wild speculation. Herd immunity strategies cannot be pursued openly, being political (reelection) liabilities.

Far far more important to the coronovirus debate is how one is supposed to cure with vaccines, if the jury is still out on acquired immunity. One cannot work without the other, suggesting that the MSM acceptance of possible vaccine treatment ipso facto means acquired immunity is a given, but that's not the way the MSM and governments are presenting this, suggesting that either vaccines cannot possibly work, or that immunity is being aquired as we speak, while the facade of a fight is kept up.

utu , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 4:24 am GMT
@The Obscurantist Coronavirus : Agnès Buzyn a-t-elle interdit la vente libre de chloroquine en pleine épidémie
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2020/03/25/agnes-buzyn-a-t-elle-interdit-la-vente-libre-de-chloroquine-en-pleine-epidemie-de-covid-19_6034372_4355770.html

Since this decree, the hydroxychloroquine molecule marketed under the name of Plaquenil is therefore no longer available over the counter. A prescription from a doctor is now mandatory. But this new classification, which came into effect in January, contrary to what some conspiratorial publications suggest, predates the appearance of the new coronavirus. Its cousin, chloroquine, appears on this list "in injectable and oral form", since a decree taken in 1999.

As LCI explains, the National Health Security Agency (ANSES) had been asked for an opinion on a proposal for an order to include hydroxychloroquine in List II of poisonous substances in October 2019, "in order to ensure appropriate patient care ". Two months before the appearance of the new coronavirus in China.
ANSES had given the green light on November 12, 2019. It is therefore false and dishonest to claim that the former Minister of Health, Ms. Buzyn, would have made this decision herself during the Covid-19 epidemic.

CCZ , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 2:37 pm GMT
@onebornfree The Quinism Foundation is a nonprofit charitable organization established to support education and research on chronic quinoline encephalopathy and other medical conditions caused by poisoning, or intoxication, by mefloquine, tafenoquine, chloroquine, and related quinoline drugs.

Executive Director Dr. Remington Dr. Nevin noted his concern that members of the public may even attempt to obtain therapeutic quantities of quinine through questionable channels. "Tonic water, whose bitter taste is produced by the addition of quinine or related naturally-occurring quinolines, is limited by U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulations to 83 mg per liter of quinine and related cinchona alkaloids," said Dr. Nevin. "However, drinking several bottles of tonic water will result in consuming pharmaceutical quantities, and therefore potentially harmful, amounts of these drugs", said Dr. Nevin. "Tonic water is a prescription medication masquerading as a cocktail mixer."

oneworld , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 11:44 am GMT
A single, non-randomized observational trial is close to the bottom of the list in terms of meaningful medical research, down there with anecdotal reports, particularly in a novel viral disease with highly variable clinical manifestations and outcomes.

There are also significant potential cardiac risks caused by the Q-T lengthening on one's EKG caused by both azithromycin and chloroquine. Don't grasp at straws.

Turk 152 , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 9:05 pm GMT
@KA You seem quite a knowledge so I hope to obtain your insights, I am not medical.

I heard that the likelihood of ARDS (cytokine storm?) can be detected by a Serum Ferritin test. If it levels are high, the patient should be given Anakinra, the rheumatoid arthritis medication, which will prevent ARDS. Neither the test, nor the treatment are being given because the average Doc who does not specialize in this field, does not know to test for this.

I understand that Hydroxychloroquin will reduce virulent symptoms in high risk patients but should be given cautiously.

Toubib Thawr , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 10:06 pm GMT
KA,
I am commenting here first time but have been reading the site for years.
I have two decades of biotech research experience.
I just finished a literature survey about effects of these active pharmaceutical ingredients or APIs (chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, hydroxychloroquine phosphate).
The APIs have been in human application for very long time and their side effect profile might be broad but it is not widespread. The most serious problems arise from eventual eye degenerative effects but those are very-very rare.
These APIs do act on several steps of what you mentioned, starting with receptor binding interference (ACE2 glycosylation changes), viral entry (impairment of endosome formation), then viral DNA offloading (interference with virus-containing endosomes fusing with lysosomes), through viral "work" (impairment of protein synthesis and virion assembly through stopping of Golgi- and endoplasmatic reticular budding and traffic).
The most interesting part of their actions might however be the inhibition of the viral RNA-dependent RNA polymerase enzyme. This is done through increasing Zn++ concentration in the cytoplasm because all of these APIs are ionophores and bring Zn++ ions into the cytosol through the lipid membrane. High Zn++ "levels" inside the cell block the "xerox machine"of the viral RNA. So indeed these have at least theoretical effects and in vitro proof is abundant.

On the contrary, if one looks at the now not too worthwile treatment compilation from Alipay and Zhezhiang University the use of different antiviral drugs is quite dangerous to the liver. Many patients on anti-retrovirals developed liver problems. I think the Shanghai Protocol is much more adequate but to each his own.

With regards to the origins of the virus someone earlier wrote about haplotypes. There are 58 haplotypes (called as such in peer-reviewed publications) and 5 haplogroups of the virus in two clades (L and S). According to a non peer-reviewed publication at ChinaXiv, 5 haplogroups have only been reported from the US so far. Mainland Chinese enjoyed the society of only 4 haplogroups while the fifth could be found in Taiwan.

Felix Keverich , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 10:44 pm GMT
For your information, Russia will now be using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 in moderate to severe cases.

https://static-3.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/877/original/COVID19

[Mar 28, 2020] Handbook on COVI-19 treatment put out by Chinese doctors.

Mar 28, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Peter AU1 , Mar 27 2020 21:35 utc | 47

Handbook put out by Chinese doctors.
alibabacloud.com/universal-service/pdf_reader

[Mar 28, 2020] Awareness of the risk of chloroquine phosphate causing acute poisoning or even death should be strengthened

Mar 28, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Likklemore , Mar 27 2020 21:18 utc | 44

@ mpn 8

Here is one published Abstract, specific to COVID-19 warns of the toxicity.

Department of Forensic Medicine, Tongji Medical College, Huanzhong University of Science and Technology, Wuhan 430030, China. LINK

The Trial of Chloroquine in the Treatment of Corona Virus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) and Its Research Progress in Forensic Toxicology.

[.]Since December 2019, COVID-19 (corona virus disease 2019) outbreaks caused by SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) has occurred in China and many countries around the world. Due to the lack of drugs against COVID-19, the disease spreads rapidly and the mortality rate is relatively high. Therefore, specific drugs against SARS-CoV-2 need to be quickly screened. The antimalarial drug Chloroquine phosphate which has already been approved is confirmed to have an anti-SARS-CoV-2 effect and has been included in diagnostic and therapeutic guidelines. However, awareness of the risk of chloroquine phosphate causing acute poisoning or even death should be strengthened. The dosage used according to current clinical recommended dosage and course of treatment are larger than that of previous treatment of malaria. Many provinces have required close clinical monitoring of adverse reactions. This paper reviews the pharmacological effects, poisoning;[.]

Peter AU1 , Mar 27 2020 22:02 utc | 53

This is the antiviral treatment recommended in the hand I linked above.
Antiviral Treatment
At FAHZU, lopinavir/ritonavir (2 capsules, po q12h) combined with arbidol (200 mg po q12h) were applied as the basic regimen. From the treatment experience of 49 patients in our hospital, the average time to achieve negative viral nucleic acid test for the first time was 12 days (95% CI: 8-15 days). The duration of negative nucleic acid test result (negative for more than 2 times consecutively with interval ≥ 24h) was 13.5 days (95% CI: 9.5 - 17.5 days).If the basic regimen is not effective, chloroquine phosphate can be used on adults between 18-65 years old (weight ≥ 50 kg: 500 mg bid; weight ≤50 kg: 500 mg bid for first two days, 500 mg qd for following five days).Interferon nebulization is recommended in Protocols for Diagnosis and Treatment of COVID-19. We recommend that it should be performed in negative-pressure wards rather than general wards due to the possibility of aerosol transmission.Darunavir/cobicistat has some degree of antiviral activity in viral suppression test in vitro, based on the treatment experience of AIDS patients, and the adverse events are relatively mild. For patients who are intolerant to lopinavir/ritonavir, darunavir/ cobici-stat (1 tablet qd) or favipiravir (starting dose of 1600 mg followed by 600 mg tid) is an alternative option after the ethical review. Simultaneous use of three or more antiviral drugs is not recommended.

Course of Treatment
The treatment course of chloroquine phosphate should be no more than 7 days. The treatment course of other regimens has not been determined and are usually around 2 weeks. Antiviral drugs should be stopped if nucleic acid test results from sputum specimens remain negative for more than 3 times

[Mar 28, 2020] Russians again are too late

Mar 28, 2020 | www.unz.com

U.S. intelligence community, through its preferred propaganda sheet the New York Times, is now reporting that Russia is taking advantage of the coronavirus crisis to spread disinformation through Europe and also in the U.S. In particular, Putin has escalated a campaign-by-innuendo to reduce confidence in the outcome of the upcoming 2020 presidential election. In any event, the Russians are too late as the Democratic and Republican parties' behavior has already convinced many Americans that voting in November will be a waste of time.

[Mar 28, 2020] Just imagine the French hoity toity now not having to put up with the yellow vests in the streets. Must be such a comforting relief.

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Old and Grumpy , says: Show Comment

[Mar 28, 2020] One common flavour of modern idiotism: I've heard doctors and pharmacists complain that patients will get offended when prescribed a cheaper, older drug. They want the best and newest, they need and deserve it!

Highly recommended!
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Redneck farmer , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 10:09 am GMT

There is also a tendency to think newer=better. I've heard doctors and pharmacists complain that patients will get offended when prescribed a cheaper, older drug. They want the best and newest, they need and deserve it!
Jake , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 11:42 am GMT
@Redneck farmer That is because advertising works. Drug companies being allowed to advertise guaranteed that predators, such as the Sacklers, would want to own drug companies.
Oracle , says: Show Comment March 27, 2020 at 2:43 pm GMT
More activity on the dark, unethical side of capitalism. There's an entire history of it, opium wars, Atlantic slave trade, pornography, control of political agents through pedophilia. The list does go on and strangely enough it's usually the same actors.

[Mar 27, 2020] We have to beg for hand sanitizer? It's almost like we are one of the nations under strct USA sanction

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karlof1 , Mar 26 2020 23:56 utc | 90

Just one of many important anecdotal observations :

"We have to beg for hand sanitizer? It's almost like we are one of the nations we sanction."

[Mar 27, 2020] Coronavirus vs Boris Johnson 1:0

Video with Johnson statements about coronavirus as they "evolved" over time. Some of them in retrospect simply hilarious. Must watch.
Boris Johnson has assured people he won't stop shaking people's hands during the coronavirus outbreak. 03/03/2020 By Reuters - SBS
Mar 27, 2020 | twitter.com

Shamil Esq , Bring on 2020! @Shamils18 · 5h Replying to @BorisJohnson

Not wishing Covid-19 on anyone.

Here you're saying you were shaking hands with a few Covid-19 patients on the 3rd March!

How many people did you infect since? Will you publicly apologise for the herd immunity strategy now?

Will you get tests out asap?

1:07 From JOE

the real guigsy.... @franMcguigan20 · 5h Replying to @BorisJohnson

How did you get tested before NHS staff....

Mike P Williams @Mike_P_Williams · 5h Replying to @BorisJohnson

Tested positive for being an irresponsible dickhead too

[Mar 27, 2020] Trump was tested for Corona. The result was absolutely beautifully tremendously perfectly so unique negative

See video of this parody inside. It is absolutely brilliant.
Mar 27, 2020 | twitter.com

Wall St Shouldn't Govern - End the Creditocracy ‏ 6:03 AM - 26 Mar 2020

More Copy link to Tweet Embed Tweet Replying to @ HalaJaber @ ejmalrai

Oh, he's definitely a textbook case.... in narcissism. Insecurity is the flip side of that coin.

Ich bin dumm, du auch ‏ 6:25 AM - 26 Mar 2020

@ wanderadoyo ona hii

[Mar 27, 2020] Exactly when did behaviour of neoliberals become a bunch of out-takes from Catch-22?"

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bevin , Mar 27 2020 1:17 utc | 98

johnbrewster@77
Here's a story from today's Toronto Star. It's a neoliberalism story and goes well with Pepe Escobar's piece in Asia Times (see above for link)
Basically the Province of Ontario stockpiled everything need for the pandemic that SARs warned them was bound to come.

Then, a couple of years ago, they destroyed the stockpiles including 55 million facemasks.

Now there are no face masks to be found and medical staff, inter alia, are having to take totally unnecessary risks.

Why did this happen? Because neo-liberalism is all about profits and fiscal austerity: as soon as the masks got beyond their 'best before' date they were destroyed - so the manufacturers could have another bite at the cherry and sell another 55 million masks. But then, austerity, the need to finance tax cuts for the wealthy, stepped in so the orders were not renewed. And people will die, horrible deaths, as a result.


https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2020/03/25/province-stockpiled-55-million-face-masks-then-destroyed-them.html

[Mar 27, 2020] Looks like the USA and the Soviet Union traded jerseys after the wall fell.

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steve , Mar 26 2020 22:46 utc | 75

For me the USA and the Soviet Union traded jerseys after the wall fell. The USA took victory way to seriously.

[Mar 27, 2020] Larry Summers should have a drink named after him

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uncle tungsten , Mar 26 2020 19:46 utc | 22

karlof1 #10

Larry Summers should have a drink named after him.
Ofshore double hoarder
Safebreaker with tonic
Gin and plunder scammer


Thanks b,I bought last roll of narrow elastic yesterday and will cut up some old silk shirts today.

[Mar 27, 2020] Trump's about as innocent in the coronavirus fiasco as jack the ripper

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Miss Lacy , Mar 26 2020 20:32 utc | 35

PS to vk # 1. Please think again. Trump has been in a trade war with China for what? a couple of years? AND, he specifically banned imports of medical supplies from China. Other posters wave supplied links for this idiocy.

Trump's about as innocent as jack the ripper. You may just be seeing things relatively, as ghouls like Elliot Abrahms and disgusting Pomposity make Trump seen like an amateur.

[Mar 27, 2020] There are shortages of masks and gloves for the frontline medical staff

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Likklemore , Mar 26 2020 18:54 utc | 2

there are shortages of masks and gloves for the frontline so joe and jane may not be allowed. Governments are partnering with manufacturing companies. How bad is it?

In the Inbox: As a result of these posts on social media -
Hospitals Muzzle Doctors and Nurses on PPE, COVID-19 Cases

"Physicians are being warned not to speak or post publicly about their COVID-19 experiences, including PPE shortages, case specifics, and the percentage of full hospital beds,[.]

and who shall live and who shall die...

Hospitals across U.S. consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients

Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes - how to weigh the "save at all costs" approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the contagion of coronavirus.

The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment - such as masks, gowns and gloves - may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient "codes," and their heart or breathing stops.

Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members - a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the one.[.]

Canada and U.S. were in discussions?
U.S. considers putting troops at Canadian border.

Really? How does one divide the library?
Canada says unnecessary

[Mar 27, 2020] High quality Microfilter bags for vacuum cleaners as apoor man mask

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aleksandar , Mar 26 2020 20:00 utc | 26

@uncle tungsten
High quality Microfilter bags for vacuum cleaners are ways better
And you can wash them
Take care

[Mar 27, 2020] The masks are useful even if they aren't 100% useful in blocking water droplets, insofar as wearing a mask makes it much less likely that you will touch your mouth with your hands or stick your finger in your nose.

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Yeah, Right , Mar 26 2020 21:31 utc | 57

The masks are useful even if they aren't 100% useful in blocking water droplets, insofar as wearing a mask makes it much less likely that you will touch your mouth with your hands or stick your finger in your nose.

If you also get into the habit of vigorously washing your hands before and after eating, well, you have done most of the hard yards in avoiding infection.

[Mar 27, 2020] Some important details on the France ibuprofen warning

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c1ue , Mar 27 2020 12:36 utc | 189

Some important details on the France ibuprofen yes or no debate:
Source
The trouble over ibuprofen began March 11, when researchers at University Hospital Basel, in Switzerland, and Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, in Greece, published a letter in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine. The letter reviewed three early sets of case reports from China, covering almost 1,300 patients gravely ill with Covid-19. The letter's authors observed that significant numbers of those patients had high blood pressure and diabetes, from 12 percent to 30 percent depending on the study, and theorized that higher rates of expression of a particular enzyme, known for short as ACE2, might be raising the risk of coronavirus infection.

ACE2 provides a place on cell surfaces for the coronavirus to attach and enter in order to replicate. High blood pressure and diabetes are treated with drugs that suppress inflammation, called ACE inhibitors; the inhibitors, paradoxically, cause ACE2 to rise. That interaction is where the authors spotted a possible connection between patients experiencing chronic diseases and then becoming infected with Covid-19.

And that's where ibuprofen entered the unfolding story, too. The over-the-counter drug doesn't only knock down fever. It also reduces inflammation (the class of drugs it belongs to are known as NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs). That effect, as with the anti-inflammatory drugs given to chronic disease patients, can cause ACE2 to rise.

So any anti-inflammatory - whether ibuprofen or actual anti-inflammatory drugs - *can* (not will) cause ACE2 to rise. And ACE2 is what nCOV latches on to.

So the acetominophen/paracetamol vs. ibuprofen has nothing to do with the fever reduction side but the potential increase of ACE2, which *might* increase susceptibility to nCOV.

[Mar 27, 2020] Do not steam your masks. they are made of polyester and will shrink into a blob

Steam can be used for decontamination of cotton, but not polister
You can spay them with alcohol
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Passer by , Mar 26 2020 19:04 utc | 7
On the protection issue, use FFP 3 respirator masks (EU), or N99 (US) or KN 99 (China) and scarf over it. These masks filter 98 % of micro particles, including viruses. In case of mask shortages steam can be used to decontaminate masks. Also use gloves, eye protection and raincoat when in risky areas. Everything new taken in your home must be under 3 - 4 days quarantine in separate room. The raincoat too. After this quarantine items can be further cleaned with steam, ethanol, bleach + water, and groceries via soap and water.

Virus can stay for 3 hours in mid air (room) and 3 days on some surfaces. And it is possible that can even survive for up to 17 days on some surfaces, which would be pretty bad news. At least 5 meters distance between people outside is needed.

A.L. , Mar 26 2020 19:57 utc | 24

PSA:

1. do not steam your masks. they are made of polyester and will shrink into a blob. people have tried and failed. you can wash with soap and dry or low temp bake as B suggested. they will eventually fail from delaminating or the elastic band snapping.

2. stop behaving like you don't want to catch it, behave like you have it and you don't want others to catch it. we'll all be better off.

3. going on 2 - wearing masks with exhaust valves will just spray virus straight out of you're infected. if you're not sure you're infected (and you don't) wearing a valves N95 is just a dick act.

4. when PPE were in short supply in China, what they did was to wear N95 with surgical mask over the top. it's definitely off-label use but at least you can then reuse your precious N95 as it's shielded from external pathogens, at the same time your own exhaust valve (see 3) is also shielded from others.

[Mar 27, 2020] Malaria vs. coronavirus

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Peter AU1 , Mar 27 2020 11:53 utc | 184

Malaria is a single cell bug called a protozoa. My understanding that is a class of bugs like bacteria and viruses are classes of bugs.

Mosquitoes carry or host the bug and pass it onto people. The quinine type drugs block the bug and prevent it from attaching or entering cells. That is how the drug also works against the corona viruses. Various strains of the malaria bug have developed resistance to various drugs.

Because SARS-CoV-2 is a new bug, it should not have developed a resistance to any drug.

Human immunity is directed at pathogens and seems very specific even to strains as can be seen with influenza vaccines, and the malaria protozoa is a very different animal to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

That's the basics as I know it. Others here may be able to explain it a little better.

[Mar 27, 2020] The problem in the USA is that this will require the reconstruction of the government and a national public health system to run the monitoring and quarantine system. Instead, the corrupt oligarchy will use government money to rescue themselves rather than saving the lives of Americans.

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VietnamVet , Mar 27 2020 3:03 utc | 121

Exactly, a containment strategy with universal testing and quarantine of the infected (ill and asymptomatic) at home or safe facilities is required keep western society from collapsing from this and future waves of the novel coronavirus until a treatment or vaccine is developed.

The problem in the USA is that this will require the reconstruction of the government and a national public health system to run the monitoring and quarantine system. Instead, the corrupt oligarchy will use government money to rescue themselves rather than saving the lives of Americans.

[Mar 27, 2020] The neoliberal wrecking of our hospital system has been widely cited as a cause of the crisis. Among other things, hospitals reduced the number of beds, sold ventilators, and ran down supplies of masks and protective clothing in order to increase profitability.

Mar 27, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

john brewster , Mar 26 2020 22:56 utc | 77

The neoliberal wrecking of our hospital system has been widely cited as a cause of the crisis. Among other things, hospitals reduced the number of beds, sold ventilators, and ran down supplies of masks and protective clothing in order to increase profitability.

On the way to this crisis, the private hospital industry gave the American public the actions and the rhetoric of the Milo Minderbinder character from Catch-22:

What's good for M & M Enterprises will be good for the country.

Milo stripped out and sold all kinds of life-saving kit: morphine vials, parachutes, CO2 inflator cartridges for life vests. Milo epitomizes the neoliberal short-term, bottom-line, zero-redundancy world view that has looted America and corrupted its democracy over the last 40 years.

Just like the hapless flightcrew in Catch-22, Americans are discovering the true meaning behind the private hospitals' claim that what was good for their corporations was good for the "crew" as they survey the looted and privatized corpse of their healthcare system.

What was satire 50 years ago, is reality today. We had a preview of this when Rumsfeld ran the DoD.

Was Donald Rumsfeld channeling Milo (and laughing up his sleeve) when he said:

It is clearly cost-effective to have contractors for a variety of things that military people need not do, and that, for whatever reason, other civilians, government people, cannot be deployed to do...

But I personally am of the view that there are a lot of things that can be done on a short-time basis by contractors that advantage the United States and advantage other countries who also hire contractors. And that any idea that we shouldn't have them, I think, would be unwise.
- D. Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld's Speech on the Future of Iraq (2005)

Exactly when did America become a bunch of out-takes from Catch-22?

[Mar 27, 2020] This is an hour with experts who ran the Singapore response

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jayvee , Mar 27 2020 1:53 utc | 110

This is an hour with experts who ran the Singapore response. It answers many of our questions and also those which cannot yet be answered. I resisted listening because it's an hour, but it was worthwhile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w8gu9S3lo

[Mar 27, 2020] We must also introduce the wearing of a mask in public as a new social norm:

Mar 27, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

MoA - More Bits On The Corona Crisis

Tests and care for Covid-19 must be for free. We need hospitals to care for only the critical cases. We need quarantine centers to isolate the milder cases from the wider population. Many hotels, sport arenas and exhibition halls are currently empty. They can be converted into quarantine stations within a day or two. People will have to stay for only two weeks. They would be fed and would have medical attention. That is a small restriction of the freedom of a few for a large benefit for our societies.

We must also introduce the wearing of a mask in public as a new social norm:

A number of studies have reported that a significant portion of people are even spreading the virus while presymptomatic -- in the day or two before they start to feel ill. Presymptomatic spreaders are, well, gonna spread. It's not their fault.

How much this type of transmission is driving the pandemic is unclear but it could be significant. Gabriel Leung, dean of medicine at the University of Hong Kong, has estimated about 40% of cases transmit before symptoms develop. A recent preprint -- a study that has not yet been peer-reviewed -- from China pooled data from seven countries and estimated a very similar 43%.

The novel coronavirus is spread to a large part by people who stay asymptomatic and by people who do not yet feel sick but will later show symptoms. When they talk, sneeze or cough they release small droplets that carry viruses. The droplets can stay in the air for some time. If a person coming along inhales those droplets the viruses will likely infect that person.

Those who have have the virus or might spread it should wear a mask because it prevents their droplets from flying out. Those who do not have the virus should wear a mask to prevent droplets from entering their body.

We were told that 'masks don't work' because they are not a 100% protection. The very tiny viruses can pass behind the mask at its sides or they can slip through its webbing. But the virus is not traveling alone but as part of a droplet. Even a relatively wide webbing may hold it up. If it is doubled with a sheet of cosmetic paper towel in between the protection will be even better. Microfilter bags for vacuum cleaners and so called HEPA filters are also effective materials that are readily available and easy to turn into masks.

The development of the epidemic will depend on how many people will start to regularly wear masks when they are not at home. Even if the protection masks prevent only 50% of new infections the speed with which the epidemic will unfold will be significantly lower.


Source: Financial Times - bigger

Consider that the societies in the blue circle are all ones where people regularly wear masks while the other countries (except China which was surprised by the outbreak) are societies were wearing a mask is seen as unusual. These 'blue' countries, which also gained experience during the SARS and MERS epidemics, show significant flatter trajectories.

Graphs similar to the above for all U.S. states and territories can be found here .

Meanwhile U.S. media continue to spread anti-China propaganda:

Two European Countries Report High Error Rate For Chinese Supplied Coronavirus Tests

Medical personnel in Spain and the Czech Republic have reported that the coronavirus rapid tests their respective countries have received from China are faulty and have a high error rate.

Several labs in Spanish hospitals have reported that the test kits they purchased, manufactured by Chinese company Bioeasy and based in Shenzhen, have a sensitivity of 30% when the sensitivity should be above 80%, Spanish newspaper El País reported Thursday. Due to the test's lack of reliability, medical personnel in Spain have switched back to the PCR test, which takes up to four hours for a diagnosis, while rapid tests take between 10 to 15 minutes

The Spanish government purchased 340,000 tests from the Chinese company, a similar quantity to the tests ordered by the Czech Republic, where medical personnel also report an 80% failure rate.

When one checks the original reports from Spain and from the Czech Republic one learns that these countries bought anti-body tests which only react when a person has had the virus for some time and developed anti-bodies against it. These tests can obviously not be used to find persons who are infected but have not yet developed anti-bodies.

China's ambassador in Spain also pointed out that these tests have yet to be verified by the regulator and were imported without the help or knowledge of the Chinese government.

The anti-body tests are valuable to identify people who have developed current immunity against the virus. These people can then care for those who are most endangered by the disease. Anti-body tests are quick. They can be used anywhere.

The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests which are currently necessary to find if someone has the virus take at least four hours and specialized laboratories to process them. We will need a much quicker reliable test if we want to put our economies back to work. Luckily several companies and academic groups are already working on these and a 45 minute test is now ready to be marketed .

When we have a quick test for the virus and a quick test for anti-bodies available in mass we can restart the economy by 'filtering' through the population on a large scale. Movement restrictions would then only be needed for those who show virus-positive and anti-body negative results. All others could go back to work.

There would certainly still be outbreaks from people who escaped the 'filtering' process but with easy testing and care in place those clusters can be locally contained.

It may take another two month or so to get to that point. Until then there is little we can do but to stay apart as much as possible and to wear our masks.

[Mar 27, 2020] Questions, questions, questions

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chu teh , Mar 27 2020 3:01 utc | 120

@Richard Steven Hack | Mar 26 2020 23:39 utc | 88

re spread of CV19--yr post interests me.

Have seen no data on how many viral particles it takes to cause a serious effect. Likely, such data would be in terms of probability at X [number of viral particles]. Such is known for many infective agents in surface and aerosol form, but CV19 may be very different.

Can CV19 vapor aerosol from mouth/breath in still air, exclusive of explosive discharge via cough/sneeze, cause full-blown case beyond 6 feet? I'd like to know.

Also, have not seen any data re time duration of infective after it enters throat passage on journey to lungs. I posit that there are anti-viral liquids that might be effective if small amount were trickled down throat 2x per day; surely just before bedtime to discourage the next 7-hs of undisturbed incubation. I do take something that I am guessing may be effective. [E.g., I also
"heard" OliveOilExtract as anti-viral but I have no experience with it.]

Another thought: Re different strains of CV19 having very different outcomes...Anyone suggestion that US forms collectively having, say, milder outcomes relative to China/Iran/LombardyItaly, etc? Seems to be an aversion to testing the general population, or even publishing all results of the small amount of tests with time+place data. Where are the lists of 1st observations of "unusual flu" in US? that would NORMALLY, provoke tracking + names/places of sequential contacts?

Routine discovery and mapping of communication lines is very likely to uncover a lot of truth. That is what rational folks desire.

[Mar 27, 2020] Senior officials in the Trump administration agreed to new measures to restrict the global supply of chips to China's Huawei Technologies, sources familiar with the matter said, as the White House ramps up criticism of China over coronavirus.

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Likklemore , Mar 26 2020 21:56 utc | 66

Is the troop deployment along the Canadian border is to stop anyone interfering in the coming chaos?

Posted by: Ian2 | Mar 26 2020 20:34 utc | 36

You have a point there --the coming chaos after the COVID-19 Health crisis.

Wondering if Trudeau knows about the fences that were erected this morning?

Maybe I missed Trump's tweet on his declaration of War.

- He has imposed more sanctions on Iranians.
- Indicted Maduro of Venezuela on narco trafficking, sponsor of terrorism; placed a $15 million bounty on his head --straight from the Panama playbook.

and this beauty - continues his trade war on China because -----

Exclusive: U.S. prepares crackdown on Huawei's global chip supply - sources

(Reuters) - Senior officials in the Trump administration agreed to new measures to restrict the global supply of chips to China's Huawei Technologies, sources familiar with the matter said, as the White House ramps up criticism of China over coronavirus.

The move comes as ties between Washington and Beijing grow more strained, with both sides trading barbs over who is to blame for the spread of the disease and an escalating tit-for-tat over the expulsion of journalists from both countries.

Under the proposed rule change, foreign companies that use U.S. chipmaking equipment would be required to obtain a U.S. license before supplying certain chips to Huawei. The Chinese telecoms company was blacklisted last year, limiting the company's suppliers.[.]
"This is going to have a far more negative impact on U.S. companies than it will on Huawei, because Huawei will develop their own supply chain," trade lawyer Doug Jacobson said. "Ultimately, Huawei will find alternatives."[.]

Huawei has been doing just that - finding alternatives. Trade wars have been proven to end badly. They end up going hot.

[Mar 26, 2020] Why You Should Never Watch RT -- Ever!

Mar 26, 2020 | russia-insider.com

As RT UK launches, attacks on the channel in the British media have stepped up

The latest is a piece by Mr. Cyril Waugh-Monger, a very important newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea' and 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria.'

Dear socially inferior person reading this article. My name is Cyril Waugh-Monger (I'm called 'Mr Terribly Pompous Neo-Con' by my friends) and I'm here to tell you why on no account should you watch RT and why you should be making complaints to Ofcom (a British bureacracy which regulates TV) about this dreadful channel so that in the interests of 'free speech' and 'democracy' we can get it off air.

1. RT doesn't peddle Russophobia

Outrageously, RT doesn't compare Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler. It doesn't join in with the demonization of Russia and its leader. How can we have a channel which is watched by people in Britain, which doesn't do that? We neocons say that demonization of Russia and its leader is compulsory. How dare RT not do as we say!

RT is more vocally in support of Russia than western media
2. RT is sometimes rude to bankers

There's a man on RT called Max Keiser and he is often very rude to bankers. Why, he has even called for them to face the death penalty. Such disrespect to our financial elites is shocking and should not be allowed in a free society.

Former CEO of HSX Holdings/Hollywood Stock Exchange and host of RT''s 'Keiser Report' Max Keiser
3. Its coverage of the MH17 crash

Shockingly, RT commentators didn't rush to blame Vladimir Putin for the air disaster within seconds of the news breaking. Some even said that we should wait for the forensic evidence before any statements apportioning guilt were made. Others said that we couldn't rule out that the plane was downed by an another aircraft. This failure to come and say loud and clear "Putin personally shot down the plane with a missile he made and fired with his own hands" within minutes of the crash is clear evidence of RT's bias and why it must be taken off the air.

Segment of the shot down plane
4. RT's 'pundits' include people who aren't neocons and 'liberal interventionists'

This is truly scandalous: RT gives airtime to people who don't support the West's policy of endless war and who opposed airstrikes on Syria last year. Why, it's even broadcast interviews with the convener of the Stop the War coalition – and has a regular weekly show fronted by George Galloway! This is unconscionable. Only people who support Western foreign policy should be allowed to express their views on international affairs on television, not 'cranks' and 'fanatics' who oppose attacking a sovereign state in the Middle East on deceitful grounds every couple of years. Why, if RT had been around in 2003, it would no doubt have given airtime to anti-war 'conspiracy theorists' who would have told viewers that Iraq had no WMDs – and claimed, fantastically – that Bush and Blair were making it all up.

British politician, broadcaster, and writer George Galloway often speaks out against western foreign policy
5. RT provides airtime to genuine socialists and genuine conservatives

This is really terrible: RT interviews people who oppose neo-liberalism and globalization, from both the left and the right. It's given the microphone to socialists, communists, greens, and 'extremists' on the right, like Ron Paul. These people should not be allowed to express their views on television; they are 'cranks' and should be totally marginalized. Only those who support the hegemonic consensus should be allowed on TV. It's very important that in order to protect free speech and democracy, alternative opinions are not heard.

Former Republican presidential candidate, Representative Ron Paul
6. RT pundits have 'extremist' links

I monitor the people who appear on RT very, very closely and I can tell you that there was once a case of an RT interviewee who had a link on his website to another website which had a link to another website which had a link to another website – which denied the Holocaust and said that little green men from Mars were ruling the US.

After considerable research, I also found that another RT pundit once attended a conference where a fellow invitee had once sat at a restaurant table, a few days after another person who had actually praised Adolf Hitler, Chairman Mao, and Josef Stalin in a magazine article published in North Korea in 1962.

7. RT is anti-semitic

Ok, I've got no evidence of this, but I'll bung it in anyway as it sounds good.

8. RT has broadcast documentaries on the wars in Yugoslavia which don't blame the Serbs for everything

This is totally unacceptable.

An elderly woman carries her belongings November 22 in Sarajevo's war shattered airport settlement. (Reuters)
9. RT has had 'experts' on its programs who have made some very strong criticisms of Israel

This too is totally unacceptable. Anyone with a theory or definition that differs from Western minded politicians is demonized for voicing their opinion.

Israel's annexed Golan Heights is hosting pop up hospitals to tend to ISIS fighters
10. RT pundits have often ridiculed leading American policymakers

For instance, when the US Secretary of State John Kerry said that "you just don't in the 21st century" invade another country on "completely trumped up pretext," some people on RT had the audacity to say "What about Iraq?" This lack of respect towards a leading American politician is appalling, and in a free society ought not to be allowed. The correct procedure whenever a leading US political figure speaks is to tug one's forelock.

11. RT's coverage of the conflict in Syria

In 2011-13, we had so-called 'experts' on Syria telling us on RT that some of the freedom-fighting pro-democracy rebels were actually fanatical terrorists who were guilty of committing atrocities. This was obviously a clear lie. Islamist terrorists like ISIS have only been active in Syria since 2014 and of course, it's all the fault of President Assad and Russia.

Intense shelling destroys buildings in the Damascus suburb of Jobar October 28
12. RT interviews lots of people whose views I do not share

It ought not to be allowed! Aren't we supposed to live in a democracy?

13. The most important reason: RT is a threat

More and more people are watching it – which is why me and my little group of neocons and 'liberal interventionists' are so worried and stepping up our attacks on the station and denigrating those people who appear on it.

The next big war is going to be much harder for us to 'sell' to the plebs, because we are no longer in control of the narrative as we were in 2003, before the Iraq war. Oh, what happy days those were!

Don't watch RT because we really don't want you to 'question more.' We want you to question less. It's much easier for us that way.


Source: RT

[Mar 26, 2020] Times change and we change with them: DemoRats now fully support Trump administration power grab for wich they wanted him to be impereched a couple on months ago

Notable quotes:
"... ...The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies? ..."
Mar 18, 2020 | russia-insider.com

It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.

...The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?

People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus "pandemic" could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the "threat" is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.

[Mar 26, 2020] Pompeo is on record having said that our government "lies, cheats, and steals" in order to accomplish its anti-Christian objectives.

Mar 26, 2020 | www.unz.com

Sokrates , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 11:54 am GMT

@37 Yesterday I went to Home Depot to buy some water tubing for my ice-maker.

I noticed all doors were blocked with a tape, except one with at least 25 people waiting to get in and a female employee holding a sign "the line starts here".

I ask the lady what was all about and she said because of the virus etc.

I said to her "You must be kidding" and I start going back to my car.

Some old lady from the line waiting to get in she scream to me something about "we protect ourselves" and similar nonsense.

I turn around and I said to her: Quit watching TV you idiot. They rob your money on broad daylight and send your kids to die fighting israels enemies.

RichardTaylor , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 12:01 pm GMT
The overreaction to the virus makes no sense. Is something being hidden from us? The freak out over this virus – to the tune of $trillions – is all out of proportion.

2.8 million Americans die every year. Why the obsession with this one virus which may kill in the thousands?

Something is off. But Trump should have known early if there was some other hidden danger. If there is some hidden suspicion by the people obsessing over this, please share it!

[Mar 26, 2020] As of March 19th five Italian doctors and 13 medics have lost their lives with 2,629 health workers infected, or 8,3 per cent.

Mar 26, 2020 | www.unz.com

Pandour , says: Website Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 4:04 pm GMT

@UncommonGround ,,,As of March 19th there were 93 Corona deaths in Bergamo and counting. As of March 19th five Italian doctors and 13 medics have lost their lives with 2,629 health workers infected, or 8,3 per cent.

[Mar 26, 2020] Nearly 40% of the Italian fatalities were using ACE inhibitors (and this may be an underestimate as pre-admission medication charts were lacking). The virus binds to the pulmonary ACE2 receptor.

Mar 26, 2020 | www.unz.com

gfhÄndel , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 11:48 am GMT

I will keep this comment as brief as possible.
I welcome refutation of these theses, which I believe are crucial to any analysis of the response to the pandemic:
1. Current screening tests for COVID19 (a PCR test, not an antibody test) have a high rate of false positives (see excellent contributions on this topic from Kratoklastes).
2. Draconian public health responses are allegedly aimed at minimizing serious COVID19 disease (severe respiratory distress, up to and including ARDS). "Positive" testing individuals overwhelming do not fall into this category.
3. At this juncture, our best single metric is death from COVID19. Unfortunately the definition of a COVID19 fatality varies between jurisdictions. To be counted as such a fatality, the current best definition would be: novel coronovirus IgM (+/- IgG) positive (proof of recent infection) plus ARDS (radiologically, if not pathologically, confirmed).
4. Alleged COVID19 fatalities are overwhelming patients >70 having 3 or more serious comorbidities.
5. There is an association between ACE-inhibitor or AT-receptor antagonist use and likelihood of death from infection by novel coronavirus.

To the last point: nearly 40% of the Italian fatalities were using ACE inhibitors (and this may be an underestimate as pre-admission medication charts were lacking). The virus binds to the pulmonary ACE2 receptor.
Conceivably the use of ACE-inhibitors (or the related AT-receptor antagonists) induces upregulation of this receptor, but this is purely conjecture on my part.
Anecdotally, use of this medication class is lower in Germany, which has been proffered among reasons for its lower fatality rates.

[Mar 26, 2020] An antibody test for COVID-19 virus exposure is near to becoming commercially available and this is likely to be widely used in order to identify people who can safely volunteer to help with the pandemic it may provide some interesting statistics and a different management perspective.

Mar 26, 2020 | www.unz.com

macilrae , says: Show Comment Next New Comment March 25, 2020 at 6:36 pm GMT

@Realist I have two family members in UK who have already recovered after testing positive and I, myself, suffered ten days with an unpleasant dry cough, malaise and low grade fever late in February – which has since cleared uneventfully. I was never tested and, following my GP, discounted being infected with COVID-19 at that time.

An antibody test for COVID-19 virus exposure is near to becoming commercially available and this is likely to be widely used in order to identify people who can safely volunteer to help with the pandemic – it may provide some interesting statistics and a different management perspective.

[Mar 26, 2020] The face of Trump in foreign policy is Pompeo and it is wicked, ungly face of a gangster

Yet another Gofgather
Notable quotes:
"... The more I watch these moves by Pompeo the more sympathetic I become to the most sinister theories about COVID-19, its origins and its launch around the world. Read Pepe Escobar's latest to get an idea of how dark and twisted this tale could be . ..."
March 24, 2020 < Older
No Respite for the Wicked, Pompeo Unleashed Written by Tom Luongo Tuesday

There are few things in this life that make me more sick to my stomach than watching Secretary of State Mike Pompeo talking. He truly is one of the evilest men I've ever had the displeasure of covering.

Into the insanity of the over-reaction to the COVID-19 outbreak, Pompeo wasted no time ramping up sanctions on firms doing any business with Iran, one of the countries worse-hit by this virus to date.

It's a seemingly endless refrain, everyday, more sanctions on Chinese, Swiss and South African firms for having the temerity in these deflating times to buy oil from someone Pompeo and his gang of heartless psychopaths disapprove of.

This goes far beyond just the oil industry. Even though I'm well aware that Russia's crashing the price of oil was itself a hybrid war attack on US capital markets. One that has had, to date, devastating effect.

While Pompeo mouths the words publicly that humanitarian aid is exempted from sanctions on Iran, the US is pursuing immense pressure on companies to not do so anyway while the State Dept. bureaucracy takes its sweet time processing waiver applications.

Pompeo and his ilk only think in terms of civilizational warfare. They have become so subsumed by their big war for the moral high ground to prove American exceptionalism that they have lost any shred of humanity they may have ever had.

Because for Pompeo in times like these to stick to his talking points and for his office to continue excising Iran from the global economy when we're supposed to be coming together to fight a global pandemic is the height of soullessness.

And it speaks to the much bigger problem that infects all of our political thinking. There comes a moment when politics and gaining political advantage have to take a back seat to doing the right thing.

I've actually seen moments of that impulse from the Democratic leadership in the US Will wonders never cease?!

Thinking only in Manichean terms of good vs. evil and dehumanizing your opponents is actually costlier than reversing course right now. Because honey is always better at attracting flies than vinegar.

But, unfortunately, that is not the character of the Trump administration.

It can only think in terms of direct leverage and opportunity to hold onto what they think they've achieved. So, until President Trump is no longer consumed with coordinating efforts to control COVID-19 Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper are in charge of foreign policy. They will continue the playbook that has been well established.

Maximum pressure on Iran, hurt China any way they can, hold onto what they have in Syria, stay in Iraq.

To that end Iraqi President Barham Salei nominated Pompeo's best choice to replace Prime Minister Adil Abdel Mahdi to throw Iraq's future into complete turmoil. According to Elijah Magnier, Adnan al-Zarfi is a US asset through and through .

And this looks like Pompeo's Hail Mary to retain US legal presence in Iraq after the Iraqi parliament adopted a measure to demand withdrawal of US troops from the country. Airstrikes against US bases in Iraq continue on a near daily basis and there have been reports of US base closures and redeployments at the same time.

This move looks like desperation by Pompeo et.al. to finally separate the Hashd al-Shaabi from Iraq's official military. So that airstrikes against them can be carried out under the definition of 'fighting Iranian terrorism.'

As Magnier points out in the article above if al-Zarfi puts a government together the war in Iraq will expand just as the US is losing further control in Syria after Turkish President Erdogan's disastrous attempt to remake the front in Idlib. That ended with his effective surrender to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The more I watch these moves by Pompeo the more sympathetic I become to the most sinister theories about COVID-19, its origins and its launch around the world. Read Pepe Escobar's latest to get an idea of how dark and twisted this tale could be .

It is sad that, to me, I see no reason to doubt Pompeo and his ilk in the US government wouldn't do something like that to spark political and social upheaval in those places most targeted by US hybrid war tactics.

But, at the same time, I can see the other side of it, a vicious strike back by China against its tormentors. And China's government does itself, in my mind, no favors threatening to withhold drug precursors and having officials run their mouths giving Americans the excuse they need to validate Trump and Pompeo's divisive rhetoric.

Remaining on the fence about this issue isn't my normal style. But everyone is dirty here and the reality may well be this is a natural event terrible people on both sides are exploiting.

And I can only go by what people do rather than what they say to assess the situation. Trump tries to buy exclusive right to a potential COVID-19 vaccine from a German firm and his administration slow-walks aid to Iran.

China sends aid to Iran and Italy by the container full. Is that to salve their conscience over its initial suppression of information about the virus? Good question. But no one covers themselves in glory by using the confusion and distraction to attempt further regime change and step up war-footing during a public health crisis, manufactured or otherwise.

While Pompeo unctuously talks the talk of compassion and charity, he cannot bring himself to actually walk the walk. Because he is a despicable, bile-filled man of uncommon depravity. His prosecuting a hybrid war during a public health crisis speaks to no other conclusion about him.

It's clear to me that nothing has changed at the top of Trump's administration. I expect COVID-19 will not be a disaster for Trump and the US. It can handle this. But the lack of humanity shown by its diplomatic corps ensures that in the long run the US will be left to fend for itself when the next crisis hits.

Reprinted with permission from Strategic Culture Foundation .


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[Mar 26, 2020] About feamongering fraud New York Times Columnist Nicholas Kristof: Nicholas Kristoff has the bad habit of falling for falling for frauds and making them famou

Mar 26, 2020 | www.unz.com

Stephen Paul Foster , says: Website Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 11:17 am GMT

@niteranger "For example, New York Times Columnist Nicholas Kristof on Sunday reported the disheartening analysis of Dr. Neil Ferguson of Britain, one of the world's leading epidemiologists."

Nicholas Kristoff has the bad habit of falling for falling for frauds and making them famous. "Three cups of tea" for starters. He's got a long track record of peddling fake stuff.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/nicholas-kristof-wants-to-save-the-world-with-his-new-york-times-columns-why-are-so-many-of-them-wrong.html

http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/04/hillary-clinton-nicholas-kristiof.html

[Mar 25, 2020] Sterilization of used face masks

Probably the simplest is ironing with iron set to 200F or so
Mar 25, 2020 | www.unz.com

Saggy , says: Website Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 1:13 pm GMT

@joe webb You can google up several papers on the subject, apparently the best method is to use UV light https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-masks-reuse.html
I just ordered a UV sterilization box from Amazon or Ebay (can't remember), you need to check that it's shipped from the US as most are shipped from China and take a while. The other easily available method is heat, but here it's difficult to determine the time/temp parameters https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0186217

[Mar 25, 2020] Analogy between coronavirus epidemic estimates and lacrosse popularity estimates

Mar 25, 2020 | www.unz.com

prime noticer says: Show Comment Next New Comment

March 25, 2020 at 5:51 pm GMT this entire thread is a false positive.

i estimate based on the rapid growth of lacrosse that in only a few years time, it will overtake football as the most popular sport in america.

see how this works?

[Mar 25, 2020] "Real power is I don't even want to use the word fear." Donald Trump, March 2016

Mar 25, 2020 | www.unz.com

Johnny Smoggins , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 4:58 pm GMT

@Marshall Lentini "Easy: people are more sensitive, egoistic, and fearful of death than ever."

In other words, western societies have become more feminine, which they have.

[Mar 25, 2020] What I have found when yesterday I ventured into Wal-Mart to shop with the other local deplorable people that the elite child molesters, sexual perverts, and sociopaths out in Hollyweird, NYC and Washington like to look down on.

Mar 25, 2020 | www.unz.com

Trinity , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 3:13 pm GMT

Yesterday I ventured into Wal-Mart to shop with the other local deplorable people that the elite child molesters, sexual perverts, and sociopaths out in Hollyweird, NYC and Washington like to look down on. Wasn't that crowded and I probably noticed about 10 customers "suited and booted" wearing various masks of different shapes and styles and latex gloves. Speaking of "suited and booted", shouldn't these people be wearing one of those full body suits and booties over their shoes as well?

[Mar 25, 2020] Is COVID-19 another Y2K hysteria

Mar 25, 2020 | www.unz.com

Realist , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 10:48 am GMT

@NPleeze

All of this apart from the issue, of how long this virus has been in the wild. It seems my mother caught this disease in early February, in a small Midwestern isolated community – she had what are given at the symptoms, but nobody was looking for it at the time, so there is no diagnosis of her illness.

This Covid-19 may well have been in the US since the latter part of 2019 just not diagnosed. It may be that the Chinese were the first to test for Covid-19, therefore it appears to have started there.
At this point the death rate is unknown but most likely overstated.

As I said weeks ago probably Y2K2020.

[Mar 25, 2020] Goldman Gives CEO 20% Raise - While Forecasting Major CoronaVirus-Caused Financial Crash for Americans

Mar 25, 2020 | www.unz.com

Boiling frogss , says: Show Comment March 25, 2020 at 1:46 pm GMT

Goldman Gives CEO 20% Raise-

While Forecasting Major CoronaVirus-Caused Financial Crash for Americans

https://www.youtube.com/embed/MFinbvX0Jg0?feature=oembed

https://www.youtube.com/embed/IXatS9PeuCU?feature=oembed

[Mar 25, 2020] The judge in the MH17 trial has issued an order for the US satelite data showing images of the Buk missile being launched to be made available.

Mar 25, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

ADKC , Mar 24 2020 17:21 utc | 22

The judge in the MH17 trial has issued an order for the US satelite data showing images of the Buk missile being launched to be made available. If the prosecution is unable (or refuses) to produce these images then this would strongly indicate that:

1. There was no Buk and MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian jet (which the very first, on the ground, eyewitnesses indicated).

2. The US was involved in this crime.

JUDGE DROPS A BOMBSHELL IN MH17 TRIAL – DUTCH PROSECUTORS CONCEAL COURT ORDER TO PRODUCE US SATELLITE DATA ALLEGEDLY SHOWING BUK MISSILE FIRING (John Helmer)


Peter AU1 , Mar 24 2020 17:58 utc | 24

ADKC 22

I tend to think US does have sat recording of the missile. It will show launch flare and rocket burn. It was quite clear by what Kerry said that this is what their sats pick up. Launch flare will show launch position to within a few meters.

Robert Parry did a piece on it a few weeks after the shootdown. His contact in the US intel thought sat pics of the position were showing Ukraine military.

ADKC , Mar 24 2020 19:29 utc | 40
Perter AU1 @24

This is what Kerry said within a few days of the MH17 downing:

"We saw the take-off. We saw the trajectory. We saw the hit. We saw this aeroplane disappear from the radar screens. So there is really no mystery about where it came from and where these weapons have come from."

But still, nearly 6 years later, no evidence has been provided? Surely you can see how inauthentic Kerry's statement is? Perhaps, Kerry could clear the matter up by being a witness at the MH17 trial?

Robert Parry's CIA source feels like an authorised leak and psyop exercise that reinforces the idea of a Buk and expresses concern about the possibility of Ukrainian military involvement (the true purpose of which is to create distance and absolve the US) whilst at the same time being meaningless and of no real value.

You "tend" to believe Kerry and a CIA leak and discount what ordinary Ukrainians witnessed on the day of the shootdown? Why????

[Mar 25, 2020] Chinese government services personnel had been redeployed into affected areeas and was put in roles far from their usual ranges of expertise. He saw a woman giving instructions to medical personnel on how to wear medical gowns. He assumed she herself was a doctor; she turned out to be a receptionist.

Mar 25, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Jen , Mar 25 2020 0:27 utc | 117

Arby @ 114:

I was reading an article in a specialist medical newspaper at the doctor's surgery this morning while waiting to pick up my blood test results. The article was written by a doctor who was part of an Australian medical delegation visiting China recently. Among other things the doctor mentioned was that government services personnel had been redeployed into other areas away from their usual ranges of expertise. He saw a woman giving instructions to medical personnel on how to wear medical gowns. He assumed she herself was a doctor; she turned out to be a receptionist.

[Mar 25, 2020] Sun helps but not absolutly

Mar 25, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

TJ , Mar 23 2020 21:02 utc | 67

@54 Per/Norway

" The second thing that's good about it is the sun. Ultraviolet light kills viruses."

The disease is spreading in the southern hemisphere which is in summer with much higher UV just as rapidly as the northern hemisphere which is in winter with much less UV. So the data at least in this case says no. BTW she retired in 2008, and she seems to have done some impressive work in the past, though as they say in the small print of adverts for investments, past performance is no predictor of future performance.

[Mar 24, 2020] Italian medics are doing military triaging and medical workers are about to collapse.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

John Johnson , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 3:47 am GMT

@AaronInMVD Yes, being sick sucks. Just would many of these people who are sick and suffering have gone to the hospital if it wasn't for the damned panic.

In Italy the hospitals are completely overwhelmed and it has nothing to do with panic.

They are doing military triaging and medical workers are about to collapse. They have more hospital beds per capita than the US so we definitely don't want to end up like them.

In the US there are probably people showing up at hospitals for tests but that is the fault of the government (including Democrats) for not getting enough tests ready. Even today there aren't enough tests and it is unlikely they will meet demand within weeks if not months.

Democrats are blaming Trump but they were the ones calling travel bans racist and they didn't have anything to say about tests when it was starting to spread two months ago. They were focused on the primary and getting rid of Bernie.

[Mar 24, 2020] #Coronavirus - Israeli Defense Minister Gives A Speech

His main advice is to separate old people from young and wait until young people will be immune to the virus.
Mar 24, 2020 | www.youtube.com

Georgios Paraskeva , 1 day ago

'' want it or not the rest of the population is gonna get the Coronavirus''...wow !!! you are are sooo sure about it ...i bet you know thinks that we don't , probably you knew this since last year

Devrat1 , 2 days ago

Very informative .. Thank you and I agree almost totally.. only thing that I find is an error is immunity to virus. Immunity will be there with young and active people. The virus can still be transmitted. Older generation will continue to be susceptible to the virus unless we have a medicine for corona virus.

Valkyrie angel , 15 hours ago

Haha No grandma hugs grandson.. once the epidemic over grandma and grandpa come out... its way so light to express... cute..

[Mar 24, 2020] For the average American the best way to tell if you have covid-19 is to cough in a rich person's face and wait for their test results

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

karlof1 , Mar 24 2020 23:21 utc | 102

All too true too :

"One American's response to the continuing unavailability of coronavirus testing for most Americans:

"For the average American the best way to tell if you have covid-19 is to cough in a rich person's face and wait for their test results."

[Mar 24, 2020] Meet The 'Covidiot' A Dense Creature That Ignores Simple Instructions, Endangers Others

Mar 24, 2020 | www.zerohedge.com
...On Saturday, a new term caught the internet by storm, that is, 'Covidiot' – and first defined on Urban Dictionary , with the top definition:

"Someone who ignores the warnings regarding public health or safety. A person who hoards goods, denying them from their neighbors."

[Mar 24, 2020] The White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic, according to two U.S. officials and a government cable obtained by The Daily Beast.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

james , Mar 24 2020 4:45 utc | 167

yeah jackrabbit... when the usa wasn't busy trashing russia for this that and the other thing, they then moved on to trashing china... and of course everything will be used to trash either... so now we have the '''china''' virus according to the head bimbo in charge.. give it up... the neo con hot meal being served up regularly is going to happen regardless of coronavirus, or king turnips ''china'' virus... the msm in the usa is as predictable as you and pat lang, lol.. no offense, but i have to agree with kikilown....

ak74 , Mar 24 2020 4:50 utc | 169

The Trump Regime recently sent out a cable directing US government officials to focus on specifically criticizing China for the COVID-19 pandemic--and conveniently distract blame away from the Trump Regime's own belated and haphazard response:

"As the number of coronavirus cases continues to grow at a rapid pace in the U.S., the White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic, according to two U.S. officials and a government cable obtained by The Daily Beast.

The cable, sent to State Department officials Friday, lays out in detail the circumstances on the ground in China, including data on coronavirus cases and deaths, the local business environment and transportation restrictions. But it also issues guidelines for how U.S. officials should answer questions on, or speak about, the coronavirus and the White House's response in relation to China.

[...]

The cable was disseminated to officials at a time when the administration is engrossed in a communications battle around how to disseminate the flow of crucial health information to the American public while at the same time deflecting criticism that the White House was unprepared for the pandemic and that President Trump is at odds with members of his coronavirus task force.

One of the results of those internal deliberations appears to be a renewed focus on underscoring China's missteps. Two U.S. officials working on the administration's coronavirus response said the White House is pushing federal agencies to stick closely to the national security council's talking points, especially when senior officials take to the podium, to ensure continuity with President Trump.

"These talking points are all anyone is really talking about right now," one official said. "Everything is about China. We're being told to try and get this messaging out in any way possible, including press conferences and television appearances."

White House Pushes U.S. Officials to Criticize China For Coronavirus 'Cover-Up'
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-pushes-us-officials-to-criticize-china-for-coronavirus-cover-up/

JW , Mar 24 2020 5:17 utc | 172
@164

Authoritarianism is a lame term by the West to excuse their own chronic lack of responsibility at all levels. At least here in Singapore everyone knows true freedom revolves around our wallets and essential goods/services, and not from ideological chicken soup.

[Mar 24, 2020] She is at a private hospital and this is at the public hospital. no medical staff working with this patient wore protective gear.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Peter AU1 , Mar 24 2020 2:13 utc | 140

Talking to my daughter this morning. Husband and wife returns from overseas. No testing an quarantine for people coming . They go home do whatever, husband feels a bit crook, tests positive for coronavirus. Hospitalized, on a ventilated and will soon die. She is at a private hospital and this is at the public hospital. no medical staff working with this patient wore protective gear.
I had thought we where following China closely on dealing with this but man was I wrong. Total fuckwits collecting seashells on the seashore as the tsunami approaches.
Sent my daughter links to the pdf handbook put out by the Chinese doctors who worked on the frontlines. Covers PPE and much else. She is now passing it around to the other nurses.
Doctors in Australia had started using chloroquine if they could not obtain other antivirals. Apparently the government has now stopped them from doing this.

[Mar 24, 2020] A case story of two female 29 year old Chinese health workers, one survives, one dies.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Vig , Mar 24 2020 6:52 utc | 180

Pundita's here is a case story of two female 29 year old Chinese health workers, one survives, one dies.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-death-life.html

[Mar 24, 2020] So why should people who already see a max of 5 persons a week be under house arrest? Masks are evidently a solution

Notable quotes:
"... Instead the French authorities are now trying to prepare people for work by saying that people should not go out at all because when they do they touch the left button, the doors etc. ..."
"... They can just wear gloves and clean up whatever they touch with alcohol, no? Why aren't such cheap things not distributed widely, household by household? ..."
Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Mina , Mar 24 2020 9:54 utc | 200

Another interesting feature of the shock strategy currently applied is that until planes and trains and stadiums were not plugged off, one can imagine that the virus was spreading on a much bigger scale than without these going on as usual.

So why should people who already see a max of 5 persons a week (close enough) be under house arrest? masks are evidently a solution.

Instead the French authorities are now trying to prepare people for work by saying that people should not go out at all because when they do they touch the left button, the doors etc.

But what of asking people for responsibility?

They can just wear gloves and clean up whatever they touch with alcohol, no? Why aren't such cheap things not distributed widely, household by household?

The French are doing worse because they have no community planning, unlike Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK and other northern countries. I haven't heard anyone on French media say that the municipalities or district social centres could play a role in better mapping the needs.

It seems to be entirely on the shoulders of our super-centralized gov and the hospitals! With the results we see (and we are actually doing not so bad: 5 % of the positive seem to die, vs 10% in Spain and Italy -using the figures given here

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest)

[Mar 24, 2020] COVID-19 Symptoms Could Include Loss Of Smell And Taste

Mar 24, 2020 | www.youtube.com

There's growing concern among health officials about so called silent spreaders, people who are infected with the coronavirus, but aren't sick. Now some UK doctors say there may be a clue to who's carrying it and they want the loss of smell and taste added to the list of symptoms.

[Mar 24, 2020] Jack Ma placed a message on Twitter regarding availability of a Handbook related to Coronavirus for medical workers and anyone else who is interested.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Tom_LX , Mar 24 2020 7:01 utc | 182

Jack Ma placed a message on Twitter regarding availability of a Handbook related to Coronavirus for medical workers and anyone else who is interested.

Jack Ma Handbook

[Mar 24, 2020] NYT reports that loss of sense of smll night be an important symptom that you are infected with the corornovirus

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

blues , Mar 24 2020 4:32 utc | 165

This may be an important new clue:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ //
Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection
The New York Times - March 22, 2020

A mother who was infected with the coronavirus couldn't smell her baby's full diaper. Cooks who can usually name every spice in a restaurant dish can't smell curry or garlic, and food tastes bland. Others say they can't pick up the sweet scent of shampoo or the foul odor of kitty litter.

Anosmia, the loss of sense of smell, and ageusia, an accompanying diminished sense of taste, have emerged as peculiar telltale signs of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and possible markers of infection.

On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease's spread. The published data is limited, but doctors are concerned enough to raise warnings.
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[Mar 24, 2020] STOP PRESSES: Mike Pompeo Admits COVID-19 Is a "Live Exercise" ??? Trump Retorts "I Wish You Would Have Told Us" ??? Mike Pompeo Admits COVID-19 Is a "Live Exercise" ??? Mike Pompeo Admits COVID-19 Is a "Live Exercise" ???

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Trump Retorts "I Wish You Would Have Told Us" ???

Go to: https://www.globalresearch.ca/secretary-state-mike-pompeo-admits-covid-19-live-exercise-president-trump-comments-i-wish-you-would-have-told-us/5707223

[Mar 24, 2020] A key element of coalition building is having a common enemy.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Divine Right , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 6:49 am GMT

@TheTotallyAnonymous

the scenario that China and Russia become extremely hostile with each other in the near future (possibly even distant future) is extremely unlikely

I don't believe this is as unlikely as some might think, although not in a way most would expect. And changing demographics in the United States could be a key catalyst in such a turn of events. To clarify, I don't think there will be an overtly anti-Russian sentiment running through mainland China in the near future, but I could see ethnic Asian -- particularly Chinese -- demographics in the United States turning that country against Russia, and later the whole of Europe, as a means of deflecting away from the CCP globally and ethnic Chinese domestically.

Much of the current anti-Russian sentiment promoted by the left is just thinly veiled anti-white animus. A key element of coalition building is having a common enemy. The common enemy of POC is the white American demographic. Russia is the ruling class's whipping boy, a stand in for their white Christian domestic rivals. That's why you see racist identitarians like the South African Trevor Noah obsessing about Russia and Putin even though neither has anything to do with any American's living standard (and never mind the hypocrisy of having so many autocratic non-white allies -- a fact which is strangely omitted from their rhetoric about Russian strongmen).

When considering past conflicts, most people falsely assume there wasn't a more base motive -- ethnic antipathy. Children in the United States, for instance, are taught that their country entered the Second World War because Hitler was bad and the imperial Japanese were bad. Perhaps, but that isn't really the true reason. The United States government and significant portions of the population lobbied for entry into both world wars due mostly to ethnic allegiances; Britain spoke English and so did an American white population descended largely from that same group. It's not a coincidence that the most anti-war sections of the country were also the most German. Charles Lindbergh, a noted anti-war celebrity, was German, IIRC; Jewish activists have spent decades trying to destroy his image.

It's also probably not a coincidence that many Americans who opposed entry into these wars were fairly recent descendants of ethnic groups with a history of anti-Anglo sentiment. FDR's Irish ambassador, for example, to the Court of St. James's made it clear to the British Royal Family that the American public opposed entry into the war (true, but the government was working hard behind the scenes to make it happen). An enraged WASP FDR eventually sacked him. In that light, it's not inconceivable to think that had the U.S. accepted 2 or 3 times the number of German and Irish immigrants the country might have remained neutral or even joined the Axis. In contrast, the strongest supporters of these wars were WASP celebrities, politicians, and voting demographics.

In the present, the U.S. supports Israel mainly because it has a powerful Jewish lobby that influences it to do so, even against its wider interests. The same is true of Cuba where the country sacrifices its national image in order to appeal to a small demographic of Cuban expats in southern Florida. Over in Europe, the UK -- flooded with Indian immigrants -- is now unnaturally friendly to India, even reorienting its recent domestic culture to include far more Indian history, subjects, and characters in shows like Dr. Who (a show that now no longer has a traditional Christmas episode as it went POC woke). Demography is destiny, it would seem. Immigration without assimilation is equivalent to conquest.

Polls in the United States show Asians have the most positive opinion of the Chinese government by a fairly wide margin, and there have been numerous stories lately of Chinese ethnics protesting in favor of the interests of that country -- against the Hong Kong protests (Disney's Mulan actress, a nationalized American), against college events and monuments they deem against China, and against any description of corona as a "China virus", not that I endorse the description myself. Other demographics show a more mixed opinion. Regardless, I expect there will continue to be a steady flow of Asian immigrants to the United States with predictable consequences.

I think it is possible that the American system could be co-opted with a concerted effort and repurposed to serve the interests of China, an effective coup similar to Israel's domination of the current establishment by means of diaspora activists. A few diversity programs, a set of prominent politicians, some money thrown around, the founding and infiltration of a few lobby groups, and a few unscrupulous people put in charge of the entertainment and news industries could see a situation where sympathetic Chinese ethnics seize control. We've already seen this several times before in United States history -- protestant then catholic then Jewish. And with few common bonds or any sense of patriotism left to deter such a thing*, this will be all the easier. Consider the recent mass arrests of American academics found to be working for the Chinese government. It was stunning, really.

In such an event, you'll likely see coalition building against the white demographic by domestic Asian-led minority groups. This will also apply to alliances involving other countries and demographics -- all in an effort to deflect from China and Asians domestically while enhancing their power. This will involve the promotion of various propaganda and even extend to rewriting history. The media will demonize Russia and then Europe. They'll employ rhetoric involving colonialism and various events from European history, such as the Inquisition, to attack Europeans and ally rival racial groups against them for personal gain.

Jews did something similar previously; they were at the forefront of "civil rights" in the United States and immigration reforms aimed at weakening the electoral strength of their WASP rivals. They've also rewritten history to paint themselves and their allies as the victims of their ethnic rival's hateful machinations -- continually digging up and exaggerating past events. For instance (one among many), you're told as an American that anti-Semitic Southerners murdered an innocent Jewish Leo Frank because they hated Jews for no reason. What you won't be told (because Jewish groups have banned the book that told the tale from Amazon) is that Jews in the South were generally well integrated and not persecuted to any real extent. The same book I'm referencing has tables of prominent Jewish politicians in the South and corrected much of the propaganda surrounding Frank's trial. Why would the history books lie about such a thing? Easy, because the people who wrote them saw the trial as an opportunity to build an inroad with the black demographic against the common enemy, white Christians. **

Unz has an article on the Leo Frank trial if you're interested. It's worth a read. If anything, it understates the evidence presented in the book as it is quite compelling. No wonder Amazon banned it. BTW, the book does not promote violence, so there was no legitimate reason to ban it other than the fact that it damaged domestic Jewish ethnic interests.

You've already seen some of this deflection in the democratic presidential primary debates with candidate Andrew Yang, an ethnic Chinese. He claimed in the second debate that Russia was the nation's greatest threat. That's nonsense. China in the near future will easily be 10x the strategic, economic and cultural competitor that Russia will ever be. It was an obvious and uncomfortable deflection away from his ethnic group to another. Expect that trend to potentially accelerate after the democrats seize permanent control of the government and ruling class sometime after 2020. What mechanism is there to stop them?

I know Anatoly has speculated that the current China / USA rivalry is likely now permanent, but I don't see it that way. The democrats have repeatedly signaled a willingness to go back to business as usual. In the second democratic debate last year, nearly all the candidates opposed trade tariffs on China and deflected away to Russia on foreign policy. These people have one loyalty -- to their bank accounts. I expect the Democrats, spurred on by a donor class that shares practically no loyalty to the working class, to largely reverse the tensions Trump has ratcheted up. That means more economic policies that enrich the corrupt ruling class to the nation's geopolitical detriment -- more outsourcing, and particularly in critical industries that relate to national defense and the economy *** .

The Chinese could easily exploit this vulnerability to affect a coup against their main rival. Perhaps there will be a counter-coup before 2040 or so by the American military to prevent this, but I think that is unlikely considering just how corrupt, inept, and politically correct it is.

*Unlike other countries quarantined under Corona, the US has seen no similar patriotic singing or the like. A few celebrities tried creating a viral moment by posting themselves singing a classic John Lennon song, but it was widely mocked. The media has used every opportunity to undermine their implied ethnic enemies, the white republicans. The democrats are busy stuffing the aid bill with giveaways to their ethnic coalition like "diversity" requirements from companies in exchange for aid. The United States is a fragile domestic empire filled with various groups having practically no loyalty to each other and who take every opportunity to screw the other side over. Even in a time of relative crisis, they couldn't come together. It will only get worse.

** For a glimpse of the future, consider the extraordinary number of holocaust movies and books, along with media, depicting whites and their history as bad. I couldn't even begin to list it all here. It's extraordinary, and it disproportionately comes from the usual demographics.

*** The United States is currently beholden to China for much of its pharmaceuticals, almost all the rare earth elements used in its tech industry, and many of the chemicals used in its military machine -- 100% in some cases. If a war starts in the near future, the U.S. will find that it has so many shortages that it cannot be sustained. They will lose or give up. What will the democrats do about this? Probably nothing. Only under Trump has the U.S. funded domestic rare earth mining efforts to create an alternate supply chain, but that effort could easily be shelved in the next Biden administration. The man has already proved himself corrupt over the years by receiving large amounts of corporate campaign contributions and being connected to shady Ukraine deals.

Daniel Chieh , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 1:21 pm GMT
@Divine Right American conflicts with Russia are based partly on self-serving fictions of the military industrial complex that need an enemy for their continued existence, as well as some more realistic conflicts involving Eastern Europe and rival interests over oil prices. The US need for hegemony, which is highly tied to the value of the dollar as a reserve currency, further thrusts this forward and center(and indeed, into conflict with China as well). This all is interminged with a generalized rejection of "authoritarian" governments.

China, on the other hand, has no real current conflicts with Russia – most conflicts involve sales of weaponry and political influence over central Asian states, nothing of vast importance at least compared to being their the target of an enormous world-spanning sanctions order or a dedicated trade war.

Your argument has the weird self-contradiction that the CCP both is supposedly the mind-controlling alien brain of all Asians, while at the same time, not actually benefiting from any specific conflict with Russia. This also ignores the fact that Asians tend to assimilate the highest by any population(at nearly 40% intermarriage in some segments, that Chinese students in particularly no longer tend to stay in the US( only 20% by 2017 ), and that a overwhelming part of the demographic increase by immigration is Indian with long historical and cultural rivalries with China. And far more than Chinese Americans, who often engage in racial masochism(witness Gordan Chang ), Indian Americans are vastly more active and influential in American politics both due to cultural reasons as well as higher verbal IQ. This isn't even hypothetical: Indian American political writers dominate National Interest articles stressing for more hawkish Chinese attitudes and were directly contributory to renaming the South China Seas conflict to the "Indo-Pacific region."

I do agree that the US has long since crippled its resource base. But there's no evidence that Trump, or anyone else, is demonstrating the barest inkling of trying to resolve it(or that it is even possible, given the bueaucratic overload and red tape of regulations). Gould once described evolution as a "drunkard's walk" between complexity, where organisms sometimes fall trapped inside rail tracks, unable to stumble out.

The US seems well trapped in its rail tracks.

Blinky Bill , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 2:35 pm GMT
@Daniel Chieh

Indian American political writers dominate National Interest articles stressing for more hawkish Chinese attitudes and were directly contributory to renaming the South China Seas conflict to the "Indo-Pacific region."

Prime example Saagar Enjeti.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/vkqq74knVXM?feature=oembed

[Mar 24, 2020] With the neocon foreign policy of "full Spectrum Dominance" the USA seems well trapped in its rail tracks

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Daniel Chieh , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 1:21 pm GMT

@Divine Right American conflicts with Russia are based partly on self-serving fictions of the military industrial complex that need an enemy for their continued existence, as well as some more realistic conflicts involving Eastern Europe and rival interests over oil prices. The US need for hegemony, which is highly tied to the value of the dollar as a reserve currency, further thrusts this forward and center(and indeed, into conflict with China as well). This all is intermingled with a [fake and hypocritical] generalized rejection of "authoritarian" governments.

China, on the other hand, has no real current conflicts with Russia – most conflicts involve sales of weaponry and political influence over central Asian states, nothing of vast importance at least compared to being their the target of an enormous world-spanning sanctions order or a dedicated trade war.

Your argument has the weird self-contradiction that the CCP both is supposedly the mind-controlling alien brain of all Asians, while at the same time, not actually benefiting from any specific conflict with Russia. This also ignores the fact that Asians tend to assimilate the highest by any population(at nearly 40% intermarriage in some segments, that Chinese students in particularly no longer tend to stay in the US( only 20% by 2017 ), and that a overwhelming part of the demographic increase by immigration is Indian with long historical and cultural rivalries with China. And far more than Chinese Americans, who often engage in racial masochism(witness Gordan Chang ), Indian Americans are vastly more active and influential in American politics both due to cultural reasons as well as higher verbal IQ. This isn't even hypothetical: Indian American political writers dominate National Interest articles stressing for more hawkish Chinese attitudes and were directly contributory to renaming the South China Seas conflict to the "Indo-Pacific region."

I do agree that the US has long since crippled its resource base. But there's no evidence that Trump, or anyone else, is demonstrating the barest inkling of trying to resolve it(or that it is even possible, given the bueaucratic overload and red tape of regulations). Gould once described evolution as a "drunkard's walk" between complexity, where organisms sometimes fall trapped inside rail tracks, unable to stumble out.

The US seems well trapped in its rail tracks.

Blinky Bill , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 2:35 pm GMT
@Daniel Chieh

Indian American political writers dominate National Interest articles stressing for more hawkish Chinese attitudes and were directly contributory to renaming the South China Seas conflict to the "Indo-Pacific region."

Prime example Saagar Enjeti.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/vkqq74knVXM?feature=oembed

neutral , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 3:25 pm GMT
@Blinky Bill This is just further proof that there is a growing Indian problem in America.

[Mar 24, 2020] This weaponizing of random indignation is a classic tool of the Western propaganda

Highly recommended!
Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Dacian Julien Soros , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 2:54 pm GMT

This weaponizing of random indignation is a classic tool of the Western propaganda. In Romania, we heard for a decade how the national-populists masquerading as socialists are to blame for the lack of highways. It's been a few years since idiot Romanians gather in random cities to complain that their city is not yet hooked to the Austro-Hungarian highway system, despite the lack of traffic between their city and Austro-Hungary.

It is my understanding that, once highway construction will start, there will be protests about natural or archeological treasures presumably endangered by the construction. It has been decently working in Russia, with that Khimki forest.

Anything that can be thrown at a government threatening to leave the NWO will be used. It's even worse for governments that are already one foot out, like Russia / China, or completely out, like Iran / North Korea. Putin will be blamed for epidemics, earthquakes, tsunamis, and even eclipses. If an earthquake would kill only a few, we will hear about "failure to respond". If the earthquake doesn't kill anybody. we will be told that Putin exploited it for propaganda.

One of the ways that CIA and Soros use, in order to weaponize Romania's presumed lack of highways, is to pay some useful idiots, who call themselves "The Association for the Betterment of Highways", "The Pro-Infrastructura Brigade", and so on. Most of these NGOs consist of a single person, who posts videos of them ranting next to a construction site. Using the model that BoJo used for the upcoming marriage (three men and one dog), the more Soros/CIA-resistant types call them "The One-Incel-And-His-Drone Association".

By that same standard, I suspect we call this Doctors' Alliance "Vasilievna-and-her-thermometer Association". Whatever she says about Moscow hospitals is probably informed by her thermometer anyway. I doubt you can tell how things are in a 10-million city, especially if you are a marginal clown.

Is she an ophthalmologist, like The Part-Time Virologist Martyr of Wuhan? Dentist, perhaps?

[Mar 24, 2020] Western Journalists Really Want There to be a Huge Corona Epidemic in Russia by Anatoly Karlin

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

The stream of articles suggesting that Russia is covering up its Corona numbers has increased from a stream to a veritable flood:

Russia's coronavirus count under scrutiny as Putin government denies hiding cases Moscow Times: Russia Says It Has Very Few Coronavirus Cases. The Numbers Don't Tell the Full Story. Reuters: Sharp increase in Moscow pneumonia cases fuels fears over coronavirus statistics Business Insider: Doctors in Russia are accusing the government of covering up its coronavirus outbreak and denying them protective equipment CNN: Why does Russia, population 146 million, have fewer coronavirus cases than Luxembourg? Financial Times: Vladimir Putin keeps political plan on track despite virus crisis

Let's take a look at that last article , written by FT's Henry Foy today, and one of the more balanced (read: less PDS-afflicted) journalists doing the Russia beat (not to mention the most prominent in the above sample, having scored an exclusive interview with Putin in 2019).

"The present number of patients with coronavirus will be hidden from us," said Anastasia Vasilieva, chairman of Doctors' Alliance, a Russian lobby group affiliated with opposition politician Alexei Navalny.

Now Foy, to his credit, at least has the journalistic integrity to acknowledge that this doctors' group (which I have never heard of before now) is affiliated with Navalny, whose entire shtick is to oppose everything and anything the Kremlin does.

A political tilt that its chairwoman helpfully confirms:

"The value of human life for our president is nil . . . We don't want to admit to any pandemic," said Ms Vasilieva. "We know of hospitals that are completely full and nurses who are asked to sew face masks from gauze."

***

But otherwise it follows the usual template on Russia COVID-19 coverage.

She claimed Moscow was instead classifying cases of the virus as pneumonia, the incidence of which increased by almost 40 per cent in January compared with a year previously, government data showed.

The aim here is to insinuate that there was a raging coronavirus epidemic camouflaged as the flu from as early as January 2020.

Oh Corona, where to start.

1. Flu mortality fluctuates wildly season to season by a factor of as high as 4x . So this is a perfectly meaningless fact from the outset.

2. Even China's epidemic only broke 1,000 cases in January 25. Where were Russians getting infected??

3. If this was true, it is Russia, not Italy, that would be the center of the COVID-19 epidemic now -- something that would certainly be noticed, e.g. in overflowing hospitals (no sign of that to date) or in exported cases (but that was all China in February, and predominantly Italy, Iran, and other EU nations now). It is Britons that Vietnam has started barring ten days ago, not Russians.

Here's what I guess happened. People got agitated by reports from China, and were more likely to consult doctors, producing more flu diagnoses. Even though the actual chance of Russians having COVID-19 in January if they hadn't been to Wuhan was on the order of a meteorite hitting them on the head.

While other foreign leaders have steeled their citizens for a long crisis and have spoken of a "war" against the pandemic, Mr Putin has played down the threat and urged citizens to remain calm in an effort to minimise panic -- and ensure the nationwide ballot on April 22 takes place.

"The virus is a challenge and comes at a very bad moment for him," said Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of R. Politik, a political analyst. "Putin doesn't want to postpone and is insisting that the referendum takes place as soon as possible . . . The longer they wait, the more risks will appear."

LOL. Trump was saying Corona was fake news/nothingburger up until the end of February.

The US epidemic (22k cases) is about two orders of magnitude more advanced than Russia's (306 cases), but most states have continued to hold primaries for the Dem nomination.

And in any case Putin has allowed the possibility that the April 22 Constitutional Referendum may be postponed. There's no indication it's a hard, immovable date.

At the same time, Mr Putin has sought to project an image of control, continuing with his diary of local visits and meetings with senior officials, shaking hands and never wearing a face mask.

Although it would be nice for Putin to set a better example, this is the rule, internationally -- not the exception. Stressing this is so petty, LOL.

"No matter what happens in the next 35 days, they have to lie, hush up, and deny. It doesn't matter at all what really will happen to coronavirus in Russia, whether there will be a moderate outbreak or tens of thousands are killed," said Igor Pitsyn, a doctor in Yaroslavl, a city 250km north-east of Moscow.

"By Putin's decree all information about this is declared a state secret until April 22 . . . This 'nationwide vote' will be held at all costs."

First time I hear of this. Searching "путин коронавирус гостайна" doesn't produce any relevant results. This doctor must have some very high placed sources.

Or perhaps Foy had to travel all the way to Yaroslavl to get a sufficiently juicy quote.

While officials have cited the low number as proof of the success of swiftly closing its border with China in January and steadily cutting flights to affected countries, experts have questioned how the country has proved far more immune than almost any other. Neighbouring Belarus has five times more infections per capita than Russia, and France, which has roughly half Russia's population, has more than 50 times the number of cases.

Russia doesn't have large numbers of Gastarbeiters in the EU, unlike Belarus. Our Belorussian commenters also tell us that there are next to no control measures in place.

But Ukraine has perhaps 20x more Gastarbeiters in the EU than Belarus, and yet 2 days ago reported only 1/3 as many Corona cases (16 vs. 51). Which suggests where Western journalists covering Eastern Europe should really focus their attention .

If they, you know, cared about the Corona situation in Eastern Europe. As opposed to promoting the US line that Russia bad and China bad.

***

Incidentally, an update on Ukraine, two days after my alarm-raising article , in which I suggested that it's likely there's a big cluster developing undetected in Ukraine.

Even though testing in Ukraine remains extremely patchy -- even in per capita terms, its ~500 tests are two orders of magnitude lower than Russia's ~150k, or for that matter Belarus' ~16k -- the past two days have seen a surge of new cases from 16 to 41. The majority of those cases, some 25 of them, are concentrated in Chernivtsi oblast, which also saw the death of a 33 year old woman from existing problems magnified by the coronavirus.

The unlikelihood of such a mortality profile, coupled with the flood of new cases despite continued low testing rates, strongly suggests that this is just the tip of the iceberg, and that a cluster is developing in Chernivtsi oblast.

This suggestion is backed up by an observation by Twitter user from_kherson :

There's a reason Chernivtsi has so many cases -- large # of people go to Italy for work.

An acquaintance of mine from there confirmed his business partner just tested positive for the virus.

But just in case you think I am piling on to Ukraine because of my own political obsessions you would be mistaken.

I will say that after Ukraine, probably the second biggest undetected Corona timebomb in Europe may be Serbia. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia page on COVID-19 testing doesn't have information for Serbia. However, one of my Serbian friends on Thursday wrote me that:

We are still testing around 50 per day, with 1/5 being positive

So both the intensity of testing and the rate of positives is similar to Ukraine.

This Friday, he continued:

We still have competent health care workers (the decision not to test the wider population is purely political, as was the decision no to close schools until 5 days ago), relatively functioning health care system, about 1500 respirators on a population that is 7+ million.

On the other hand, we have the second lowest reported total test volume anywhere in the world, after Malorossiya :), at 545 total as of this morning, one of the highest positive rates per 1000 tests (after Italy, Spain, Ecuador and the Philippines). We have seen an influx of over 250 000 gastarbeiters from Western Europe in the past 10 days Many people are breaking the 14 day mandatory self isolation. When I say many, I'm talking about thousands every day

We have 3 things potentially on our side. God, warmth, and Sun. Or it's all just God?

And to think that Serbia was one of the first countries in the world to eradicate smallpox in the 1830s Under the lifelong illiterate knyaz Miloš

The large number of Gastarbeiters in Western Europe, most of whom are now going to be let go, is another similarity that Serbia shares with Ukraine. And is something that will be a very problematic issue going forwards.

Fortunately, it appears that China (and Russia ) are going to bail Serbia out with test kits.

Extraordinary address the president of Serbia, the largest #EU membership candidate now banned from importing medical kit. "European solidarity does not exist. It was a fairy-tale the only country who can help us out of this difficult situation is China." #coronavirus https://t.co/JTbtPCS6NK 

-- Bojan Pancevski (@bopanc) March 16, 2020

Despite their rather different geopolitical viewpoints, European attitudes to both Serbia and the Ukraine are quite similar. They are to be exploited to the extent they are useful; otherwise discarded as needed. It's a lesson they should mull over.


Dmitry , says: Show Comment March 21, 2020 at 11:11 pm GMT

Why are you sensitive about what some article said in an American newspaper about Russia? Who cares? Half of articles in Russian websites are often ten times more stupid than even articles in American websites (which are already stupid), and people in America don't care about that.

Also, I read only CNN's article on the topic, and I notice it follows the pattern that CNN report more accurately outside America, than they do in America. I.e. They are more objective (like most people) writing about things which are far away from them
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/21/europe/putin-coronavirus-russia-intl/index.html

Felix Keverich , says: Show Comment March 21, 2020 at 11:37 pm GMT

Business Insider: Doctors in Russia are accusing the government of covering up its coronavirus outbreak and denying them protective equipment

I have to say that on reddit this kind of conspiratorial crap gets a LOT of interest and upvotes, an order of magnitude more upvotes than the factual Russian news. It seems that a large chunk of Western public feels better about themselves and their situation, "knowing" that there is terrible epidemic going on in Russia.

So these articles are actually having therapeutic effect on Western societies: ordinary people in West take comfort in [imaginary] Russian suffering.

Dmitry , says: Show Comment March 21, 2020 at 11:40 pm GMT
Serbia and Ukraine should have less developed epidemic of coronavirus, compared to most European countries, as they are one of the minority of European countries which is not in the EU.

As a result, they should have less per capita connectivity to Northern Italy, that is the "staging point" for the coronavirus epidemic's invasion into Europe.

Well, perhaps I am wrong about Serbia, as it is a neighbouring country to Italy. But the EU has a very intense labour mobility and incredibly amount of flights between themselves, if we would look at flightradar on a normal week.

Of course, now flightradar is pretty crazy and not quite representative of last month. https://www.flightradar24.com/59.77,29.75/8

But EU is still covered by flights. While planes are generally avoiding Serbia and Ukraine. Russia is almost disconnected from Europe now by planes (except for cargo planes). However, even in normal, pre-Coronavirus times, Russia (as well as Ukraine) is far more disconnected than any EU country, and is never blanketed by flights on flightradar in the same way as Europe.

Perhaps Serbia still receives a lot of entry by people in buses and cars.

Aedib , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:24 am GMT
Wishing the virus to hit hard Russia is a way Westerners try to cover their incompetence. There is an explosion of new cases in the USA but the American MSM keeps its Russophobe obsession.

Today new cases in USA reached the numbers of Italy

Mikhail , says: Website Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT
@Anatoly Karlin From the MSN homepage:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-does-russia-population-144-million-have-fewer-coronavirus-cases-than-luxembourg/ar-BB11vhDw?li=BBnb7Kz

Mikhail , says: Website Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:47 am GMT
In line:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/coronavirus-coming-russia-134797

Not among the worst:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/world/europe/russia-coronavirus-covid-19.html

utu , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 4:35 am GMT
https://www.rt.com/russia/483744-russia-doctor-coronavirus-holiday/
" A leading infectious diseases specialist in Russia's southern Stavropol region endangered the lives of dozens of her colleagues and students by failing to self-quarantine after a holiday in Spain, where she contracted coronavirus."
last straw , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 4:41 am GMT
I think some Western journalists also want to see a second wave in China/Asia.
JimDandy , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 4:57 am GMT
Just read the headline and thought, "Western journalists really want there to be a huge corona epidemic in America ."

We all remember Bill Maher, to his credit, admitting to wanting what so many Progressives pray for -- a brutal recession that would sink Tump's chances of reelection -- but I am continually astounded by the fact that the MSM's hysterical, cult-like fervor for destroying Trump, even to the tragic detriment of the American people, simply will not exhaust itself. It is, if you will, a virus that keeps mutating into more and more virulent strains.

I think American-journalist-as-suicide-bomber is the number one potential threat to the United States, and preventing this should be the FBI's number one priority. Thx.

Alfa158 , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 7:33 am GMT
@yakushimaru The Chinese economy has at least one good thing going for it. They are the world's manufacturing floor. Ultimately they can still make things unlike the US which has hollowed itself out. Refilling the world supply chain gives them an advantage in recovering faster than the US will.
JL , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 8:04 am GMT
@Dmitry Don't be silly, there are entire organizations in the West dedicated to fact checking Russian news agencies and publishing their mistakes. So Anatoly's counterparts in the West do seem to care, they seem to care very much. Furthermore, there is the asymmetry between the geopolitical power of the two countries which makes what Americans write about Russia much more important than the inverse.

AK has been covering this topic for years, so it may not be interesting to you, but it is to him. And we come here, partly, because he writes about what he wants to, not what others want him to. You, yourself, pointed this out.

Realist , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 11:33 am GMT

Western Journalists Really Want There to be a Huge Corona Epidemic in Russia

Correction: The Deep State Really Want There to be a Huge Corona Epidemic in Russia and China.

Beckow , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:07 pm GMT
Western media openly wishing that a plague strikes Russia is very low class. It has a minor therapeutic role for the West to show that the evil ones are also suffering. But it is basically a continuing descent into hysteria. Next we will hear that Putin was spotted poisoning wells in Italy. (Sneaky bastard, probably used a face-mask, he is after all a trained KGB spy.)

Regarding facts: it is a truism that all numbers are understated. There must be at this point millions of people around the world who have been exposed and most will never know about it. Corona hurts the old and the sick, most other people probably wouldn't know it was happening without the media. In a preventive way it might actually benefit young, healthy people to be exposed when their bodies can develop immunity -- you don't in general get the same virus twice.

But a decision was made to protect our elders and it is a humane thing to do. And the usual suspects can't avoid their low class ideological manias, attacking China, Russia and/or Trump. These days they mostly work in the Western media. One wonders how that happened.

LondonBob , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:16 pm GMT
@Aedib That Russia proves, like China, to be more competent again is another nail in the coffin for the ruling sixties liberal ideology.
Realist , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:50 pm GMT
@LondonBob Another excellent article by Caitlin Johnstone.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/liberal-npcs-hate-russia-conservative-npcs-hate-china-9b4ac2f853

Ms Karlin-Gerard , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 1:50 pm GMT
@utu This was actually going to be the subject of my next post. She is the chief infectious disease doctor for Stavropol!

She went to Madrid , from March 6th- March 9th- the exact period when cases in Spain started ballooning up (420 went to 1200)

She has infected 11 other people, at least, in Stavropol and also taken part in a conference there where about 1000 people attended.

I don't know if it was definitely a holiday -- sure, those are weekend dates and Madrid is a wonderful place but infections there then still exceeded
the number in Russia now.

Dacian Julien Soros , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 2:54 pm GMT
This weaponizing of random indignation is a classic tool of the Western propaganda. In Romania, we heard for a decade how the national-populists masquerading as socialists are to blame for the lack of highways. It's been a few years since idiot Romanians gather in random cities to complain that their city is not yet hooked to the Austro-Hungarian highway system, despite the lack of traffic between their city and Austro-Hungary.

It is my understanding that, once highway construction will start, there will be protests about natural or archeological treasures presumably endangered by the construction. It has been decently working in Russia, with that Khimki forest.

Anything that can be thrown at a government threatening to leave the NWO will be used. It's even worse for governments that are already one foot out, like Russia / China, or completely out, like Iran / North Korea. Putin will be blamed for epidemics, earthquakes, tsunamis, and even eclipses. If an earthquake would kill only a few, we will hear about "failure to respond". If the earthquake doesn't kill anybody. we will be told that Putin exploited it for propaganda.

One of the ways that CIA and Soros use, in order to weaponize Romania's presumed lack of highways, is to pay some useful idiots, who call themselves "The Association for the Betterment of Highways", "The Pro-Infrastructura Brigade", and so on. Most of these NGOs consist of a single person, who posts videos of them ranting next to a construction site. Using the model that BoJo used for the upcoming marriage (three men and one dog), the more Soros/CIA-resistant types call them "The One-Incel-And-His-Drone Association".

By that same standard, I suspect we call this Doctors' Alliance "Vasilievna-and-her-thermometer Association". Whatever she says about Moscow hospitals is probably informed by her thermometer anyway. I doubt you can tell how things are in a 10-million city, especially if you are a marginal clown.

Is she an ophthalmologist, like The Part-Time Virologist Martyr of Wuhan? Dentist, perhaps?

[Mar 24, 2020] A woman in Chicago has developed a new function for the bra, one half of bra can serve as a mask

Mar 24, 2020 | www.youtube.com

SCODI OFFICER:001 , 4 days ago

Y'all know the chinese already did this back when SARS was around.

Ennis XU , 2 days ago

Somehow better than strawberry containers from ALDI

[Mar 24, 2020] Titillating advice

Mar 24, 2020 | www.youtube.com

A woman in Chicago has developed a new function for the bra, one that could help people escape dange - YouTube

alan king , 12 hours ago

titillating advice

[Mar 24, 2020] https://news.yahoo.com/us-orders-first-shutdown-website-over-coronavirus-fraud-023738032.html

Highly recommended!
Mar 22, 2020 | news.yahoo.com

US authorities are working to combat the spread of misinformation that has blossomed since the start of the coronavirus pandemic (AFP Photo/Alastair Pike) Washington (AFP) - The US Department of Justice announced Sunday it had shut down a website claiming to sell a coronavirus vaccine, in its first act of federal enforcement against fraud in connection with the pandemic.

Lawsuits had been filed against the site coronavirusmedicalkit.com, which claimed to sell vaccines for COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, when in fact there is no such vaccine, the Justice Department said in a statement.

A Texas federal judge on Saturday ordered the site to shut down, according to the statement. Its homepage, however, was still accessible as of Sunday evening.

"Due to the recent outbreak for the Coronavirus (COVID-19) the World Health Organization is giving away vaccine kits. Just pay $4.95 for shipping," read a statement on the homepage.

It was followed by a place to leave bank account information to pay shipping fees.

The Justice Department did not specify how many people fell victim to the scam, but the investigation is ongoing to identify who is behind the fraud and how much money was stolen.

The intervention by the federal judiciary system is part of ongoing efforts by US authorities to combat the spread of misinformation that has blossomed since the start of the pandemic.

Attorney General Bill Barr last week urged federal prosecutors to make stopping misinformation a priority and called US civilians to report all such abuses to the National Center for Disaster Fraud.

He also warned citizens against a variety of scams including selling fake treatments online, imitating emails from the WHO or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) intended to collect personal data, and asking for donations for imaginary organizations.

Simultaneously, the US judicial system is on the warpath to combat price gouging of products such as hand sanitizer or hygienic masks.

More than 33,000 people have been infected by the coronavirus in the US, and 416 have died, according to a tracker managed by Johns Hopkins University.

[Mar 24, 2020] Whenever these people decide on a narrative, they are loath to back down once they are proven wrong. They don't want to lose face.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Digital Samizdat , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 1:27 pm GMT

@prime noticer What if–as seems to be happening in Italy–the journalists simply pretend that bodies are piling up, perhaps by attributing other deaths to Corona?

Beware: whenever these people decide on a narrative, they are loath to back down once they are proven wrong. They don't want to lose face.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss-report-99-of-covid19-deaths-already-ill/

#CoronaHoax

[Mar 24, 2020] I think we should all wear bandannas. Like desperadoes in the old wild west

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

ptb , Mar 23 2020 23:03 utc | 102

@oldhippie "Lots of people seen doing something Americans never do. Walking."
So true. It is the same here. The little kids are the most cheerful, adults are all over the place in their reaction. Lady with a dog walked a 25 foot circle around me while crossing the street the other day, felt like a leper right then. Ah well. I find that getting far enough to get out of sight of buildings (lucky enough to have that option here) is just amazing now. The woods/parks never looked so nice.

@TG "I think we should all wear bandannas. Like desperadoes in the old wild west."
Love it! I'm in. Part of me wants to try this while making a deposit at a bank...

[Mar 24, 2020] Trump: Romney's in Isolation GEE That's Too Bad!

Sometimes the President hits the nail with his quips. For private equity sharks this might be a small piece of justice...
Mar 24, 2020 | independent.co.uk

Mr Trump shook his head and said: "No, no, none whatsoever."

[Mar 24, 2020] Darvin award to one Dallas pastor

Does he think that his flock deserves to be moved to Heaven prematurely with the help of coronavirus? He definitely acts as if he think so.
Mar 24, 2020 | www.theamericanconservative.com

SirMagpieDeCrow1 a day ago • edited

This is someone who is dumb. If Robert Jeffress is the standard for being a faithful Christian or being a legit evangelical I want nothing to do with it. Completely vomitous. People like him put my family and community in further peril. And despite it all he still gets the ear of the president...

It's people like this that tempers my hopes.

"Thousands of people streamed through the church lobby and into the pews. Ushers at First Baptist Dallas invited members to the front rows, gesturing to the prime seats still available. Trumpets blared, bright blue and purple lights illuminated the stage, and behind the orchestra pit the 100 or so members of choir -- ranging from late teens to late 60s -- stood inches apart, ready to sing for the next 30 minutes."

"When Robert Jeffress, the senior pastor, walked onto the stage, wearing a dark suit and shiny teal tie, he thanked the musicians."

"Isn't it great to see so many of them here today?" he asked the audience.

"Jeffress' sermon that morning, presented in his usual stoic-but-chipper demeanor, was titled "The Road to Armageddon," and focused largely on biblical stories of God's punishments. "God's judgment is not always immediate," he told his congregation, and the tens of thousands of people watching online. "But it's always inevitable."

"Aside from a few empty pews in the back of the sanctuary, this seemed like any other Sunday. Except it wasn't. This was Sunday, March 15. Most of the country was already being reminded to stay at home, to practice social distancing, to flatten the curve of the coronavirus outbreak, which President Donald Trump, the man Jeffress supports at every turn, had just declared a national emergency."

Siarlys Jenkins SirMagpieDeCrow1 21 hours ago
Next time the governor should send the National Guard to escort everyone home. Jeffress should be arrested. Incidentally, I believe that continued socializing in small groups is healthy, under 10 of course, but what Jeffers is doing borders on criminal homicide.
Ryan Booth a day ago • edited
Thanks for publishing this, Rod. I somehow neglected to mention the new test developed by Thermo Fisher, which may result in as many new tests completed as Roche and Abbott combined. It will run on over 200 machines currently in labs across the country, and they are manufacturing two million test kits per week.

https://ir.thermofisher.com...

Altogether, test manufacturers have pledged to make over 10 million tests in the next two weeks, and I cannot see any way that all the newly approved testing systems add less than 85,000 tests per day. And that's without Roche, Cepheid, Thermo Fisher, and Abbott selling any new machines, and I feel quite sure that they are going to sell some more machines. And, of course, all of the current test providers are increasing production as well. And the FDA will likely approve more Emergency Use Applications for other testing systems in the next few days -- I think that I read that they are working through 80 applications. That's why I have complete confidence that, in less than two weeks, we'll be able to test 150,000 people per day.

Cepheid's test, which I mentioned in the article, seems even more important in the wake of the report from Italy that hospitals are themselves becoming major vectors in the transmission of the virus, as it is spread from infected to uninfected patients. Because Cepheid's test can be done in 45 minutes on machines that hospitals already have, it will allow hospitals to test every admitted patient and quickly segregate those who have the virus.

Lack of testing ability is what has kept Italy and Spain "behind the curve." Two days ago, Italy tested just 17,000 people and had over 6,000 positive results. It's not all that helpful to test people that you are already confident have the virus (they have already spread it); it's much more valuable to test those who first come down with a fever and you can isolate early if they are positive.

Spain announced (I think on Friday) that the 20,000 tests per day that they were doing were completely insufficient, and they were purchasing enough machines to add an additional 80,000 tests per day (though it will take time to get those systems operational).

Read this article if you're unconvinced that mass testing has the ability to stop transmission. It about an Italian town that some of the first cases in Italy, and how they basically eliminated the virus from their town.

https://www.theguardian.com...

Ryan Booth Ryan Booth 20 hours ago
Also, I missed FDA approvals in the past week for new tests from: DiaSorin Molecular, Hologic, and GenMark -- all of which operate on their own machines. This is a key distinction, as these tests increase our total testing capacity, although I don't believe that any of these will add as much as Roche or Thermo Fisher or Abbott.

There are also companies getting approval for tests that can run on machines that are already being used, which is good because it creates price competition and enhances test kit supplies, but doesn't fundamentally add to our national processing capability.

In that latter category, Novacyt got FDA approval for their test kit this morning, which will run on a number of machines. Not all of these companies say how many test kits they are going to distribute in the US, but I did see that Novacyt currently is supplying orders of 8 billion euros for their tests in Europe (where they had gotten approval earlier), and yet their stock still went up 45% today on the news of the FDA approval (which means that they expect to distribute a lot of kits).

Grace Austin a day ago
The massive testing increase largely in the New York and California, so there is that.

Also the numbers are horrible now, the US is on track to have more cases than Italy, massive testing are going to make them much worse.

Outcomes are going to be much worse depending on where you live. States that have seen large numbers of rural hospitals close, states with large numbers of uninsured, states that were late to shut things down and states that can't compete for needed equipment on the open market are going to have worse infection and mortality rates.

Oh and a 38 year old women was found dead in her home waiting for her test results.

JonF311 Grace Austin a day ago
Re; the US is on track to have more cases than Italy

And the US also has a larger population than Italy.

anna carolina a day ago
Thank you to the author and to Rod for a ray of sunshine today!
cwk a day ago
"drive-thru testing site' – Certainly a good idea, but how many of these does the US have?
kenofken a day ago
I'm not sure an "end" is in sight. Perhaps a respite and a new phase of the battle. I too look forward to spring but I think we will not even know the full extent of our problem until the end of April. Warm weather might give us a break in the action, but we would be foolish not to anticipate another wave in the fall, winter or spring of next year. As with the flu, it's always winter someplace in the world, and viruses mutate. We wont fully be out of this until we have a vaccine or a readily accessible drug paired with testing.

It's great that testing is growing in availability, but we still have a lot of sick people who cannot access it while every politician, professional athlete and celebrity seems to be getting tested just for "peace of mind."

Matth a day ago
South Korea has closed schools.

Their ability to control the spread probably has more to do with their social and hygiene habits than widespread testing. Japan, which has barely tested anyone, has been able to control its outbreak even better than South Korea.

But again, closing schools has been an important piece in both countries. This correspondent is pushing a false image of a society magically controlling this disease without massive social disruptions.

Also, it's important to keep in mind that while Indonesia hasn't seen an outbreak yet, they have also tested almost no one. They currently have one of the highest death rates in the world, suggesting massive undercounting of cases. There's reason to believe they do actually have a major outbreak, so reduced spread in warm weather does not mean it's controlled without any restrictions. Malaysia, as a counter example, has instituted strict controls because of a growing outbreak.

Expanded rapid testing and chloroquine are reasons to be hopeful, but get the basic facts right.

Ryan Booth Matth a day ago
Closing schools likely has had little impact on the spread. The joint WHO report on Wuhan, after studying over 40,000 cases, stated:

https://www.who.int/docs/de...

The Joint Mission learned that infected children have largely been identified through contact tracing in households of adults. Of note, people interviewed by the Joint Mission Team could not recall episodes in which transmission occurred from a child to an adult.

I can't find the quote right now, but another WHO representative said recently that, in places that schools are open, they aren't seeing much transmission that way.

And if coughing is indeed the main method of transmission, it would make sense that schools would not be large transmission vectors, since the virus usually has very little impact on them and doesn't cause them to cough.

Pokey a day ago
Great rundown on some of what's going on. I was going to post the following comment in response to your post "The Present Apocalypse". 


Our current state of knowledge does not justify predictions of mass death, societal collapse, etc. If anything, what we now know leans toward a range of outcomes centered on somewhat worse than the flu. I hope it's no worse than that, and if so, it's a good wake up call after we hit snooze on SARS, MERS, and swineflu, and maybe this will even tamp down on stupid like not vaccinating children against measles. It's also a great reminder to get adequate data before acting, when action includes the evil of impoverishing and immiserating millions of people.

Worldwide, 60,000,000 people die each year. In an ordinary year in the US, about 1,500,000 people 75 and up die from heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's related disease, suicide, diabetes, and a host of other causes, including even generic lower respiratory infection. Another 500,00 of those between 65 to 75. So far (AM 23 March), COVID-19 has accounted for less than 0.03% of those deaths. 


Now, it could get a lot worse. It's still very early, this train is in motion, and we are going to see where it carries us, willing or not. The range of possible destinations still includes a nasty pandemic. It also includes the possibility that COVID-19 is the Iraq war of public health. We do not know the destination. See Ioannidis (Stanford) last week, "A fiasco in the making? we are making decisions without reliable information":

https://www.statnews.com/20...

Grace Austin Pokey a day ago
Just a note here:
". . . in the US, about 1,500,000 people 75 and up die from heart disease,
cancer, Alzheimer's related disease, suicide, diabetes, and a host of
other causes . . . "

Do these people all die within 60 to 90 days of one another? Because I am assuming that's what's making the difference.

I am also surprised that no one is taking the idea of war style triage in hospital emergency rooms all over the country seriously.

Basically you are okay with leaving anyone that's too sick to die of viral pneumonia. Which is like drowning FYI.

John Achterhof a day ago • edited
If the anti-malaria drugs don't prove to be safe and effective treatment for covid-19, it looks like a treatment made of synthetic antibodies is right around the corner. Regeneron appears to be at the cutting edge in this field, assisted in this endeavor by some specialized mice:

"Regeneron scientists have now isolated hundreds of virus-neutralizing, fully human antibodies from the company's VelocImmune mice, which have been genetically-modified to have a human immune system. Regeneron has also isolated antibodies from humans who have recovered from COVID-19, in order to maximize the pool of potentially potent antibodies. From this large pool of candidates, Regeneron will select the top two antibodies for a 'cocktail' treatment based on potency and binding ability to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, as well as other desirable qualities."

https://investor.regeneron....

Jefferson Smith John Achterhof a day ago
Uh huh, great. Are you getting paid to post this?
MarkVA a day ago
In my lay opinion this is potentially good news, especially IF this virus proves to be seasonal, or more accurately, adversely affected by higher temperatures and humidity;

However, this research needs to be duplicated and peer reviewed, and even if this hypothesis is confirmed, this current property of the virus most likely only buys us time till the fall;

Also, to reap the full benefits of its suspected high temperature/high humidity vulnerability, it stands to reason that travel restrictions must stay in place. The potentially higher number of infected people from the cooler and dryer areas should not mix with people from hot and humid places;

Also, it is in the nature of viruses to "seek" better reproduction techniques, so what if a high temperature/high humidity loving mutation pops up?

Anyway, I feel that I've piled a hypothetical upon a hypothetical, and I don't want to be a party pooper, so it's a good place to stop.

I Don't Matter a day ago
Yes, there's hope. The seasonality effect is finally finding legs in proper research papers. There's also weak evidence that zinc lozenges taken early help reduce lung invasion. The evidence is weak, but the treatment has very little downside.
The biggest threat to economy now is Senator McConnel. We need massive fiscal stimulus, a.k.a. "Helicopter Money", now. This is not the time for ideological purity, means testing, inflation worries, whatever other Republican pet causes are. Federal government with its ability to create unlimited money supply is the only force that can prevent economic collapse right now.
Given McConnel's performance to date, I despair...
Cheryl a day ago
My goodness, a little common sense and calmness in your blog after weeks and weeks of apoptotic rantings. Where was this attitude just last week??
Franklin_Evans a day ago
I call readers' attention to this paragraph:
"High temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce the transmission of COVID-19, respectively, even after controlling for population density and GDP per capita of cities This result is consistent with the fact that the high temperature and high humidity significantly reduce the transmission of influenza. It indicates that the arrival of summer and rainy season in the northern hemisphere can effectively reduce the transmission of the COVID-19."

The factual content is not in dispute, because of how the statement is worded. It cites statistical analysis and describes the controls used to arrive at the conclusion. This will seem almost trivial to most people, especially those who've not had detailed exposure to the disciplines used in data collection and statistical analysis, but it is the critical aspect.

When mention of controls is missing, every aspect of the statement, from factual content to conclusion, is suspect.

Modern journalism is all about the sound bite. It wants to get your attention -- and your exposure to advertising, and including you in its ratings -- as quickly and efficiently as possible. Quick and efficient is anathema to conveying the data and analysis in statistical approaches. If you don't have those, if you don't know what the controls were, you don't know even half the picture.

Tom Sadlowski a day ago
Agree with above, if some one in your home becomes sick, create a negative pressure room with: box fan exhausting to the outside, HEPA purifier circulating 15 air exchanges per hour, and a Humidifier raising to 55- 60% RH, in order to both kill and remove the virus from the room and home, and therein the sick do not pull the virus in deeper.

Scientific studies show: for people under 64, fatality rate range is 0.05% to 1%, not close to the 3.4% official rate that WHO has been reporting (seasonal influenza is 0.1%- 0.2%); although this rate is expected to narrow as more accurate data becomes available and as the virus evolves. Warm, humid conditions greatly diminish the survival, -- 27 hours at 30% relative humidity, while only 3 hours at 80%. Each case of the new Covid-19 coronavirus is estimated to cause 2 to 3 others, in line with seasonal influenza. (This means, as writer stated, we should see a seasonal drop as temperatures warm and humidity increases.)

rlranger907 a day ago
Thank you to this reader, Rod - and a hat tip to him for using 'Boudreaux' as his example. Hopefully when all this passes, Boudreaux and I could toast the occasion with an Abita.

Richard

ADCWonk a day ago
"Romney's in isolation? Gee, that's too bad."

Evil.

[Mar 24, 2020] An alien space force comes to earth and blames earthlings for spreading the virus, and Trump, being president of the most powerful nation, says to the alien commander that it is the Chinese

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

yakushimaru , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 5:18 am GMT

@AP People like you also took a decisively collective view of events. Majority of Chinese hardly ever eaten a bat. Can you see? Besides, the evidence so far does not tell that it was a bat virus jumped to humans in the food market.

One joke I read on Chinese web was like this: an alien space force comes to earth and blames earthlings for spreading the virus, and Trump, being president of the most powerful nation, says to the alien commander that it is the Chinese, but, you know.

[Mar 24, 2020] Darvin award to Phoenix-area man and his wife who survived. They ingested a form of chloroquine used as a fish tank cleaner on Monday, reportedly after hearing President Trump mention the chemical on TV

Mar 24, 2020 | www.rt.com

The Phoenix-area man and his wife – who survived – ingested a form of chloroquine used as a fish tank cleaner on Monday, reportedly after hearing President Trump mention the chemical on TV.

[Mar 24, 2020] Epidemics and deranged zealots

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

melanf , says: Show Comment March 24, 2020 at 6:01 am GMT

@Pericles There are plenty of deranged zealots everywhere. In Europe, fans of the cult of gender equality organize mass gatherings during the epidemic, in Russia, Orthodox "activists" organize religious processions during the epidemic (ironically, against the epidemic)

[Mar 24, 2020] I think I know why there are so few Corona cases in Russia.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Cyrano , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 12:10 am GMT

I might be naïve, but I think I know why there are so few Corona cases in Russia. I think that the reason is because the virus has extreme dislike for non-democracies. After all, we are talking about the 21st century virus, who has seen the world, not some backward 14 century stupid European plague virus.

This virus knows that it will receive better treatment by the "democracies" – that's why it's headed their way. I mean look at the treatment it got in China. Is that a way to treat a modern virus? It was totally disrespectful and brutal.

I don't blame the virus for wanting to migrate to the west, if I was a virus – I would have similar urges. I think that the virus should definitely expect a better treatment in the west – they probably have already set up a multicultural milieu so the poor virus won't feel isolated, but rather establish instant camaraderie with the other multicultural viruses in the west.

[Mar 24, 2020] Western vs Russian propaganda

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Ms Karlin-Gerard , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 12:32 am GMT

@Dmitry Can you show me even ONE article or report from Izvestiya, life, kp. Vz, RBK, vesti, Channel 1 etc that is stupid about the west? I can't because most of them are extremely well written.
The inverse situation? . I have just read 3 cretinous western lie reports about Russia/coronavirus in the last half an hour! Each one born out of jealousy or CIA psyops There is no comparison to make at all. You are doing false equivalence.

Gayropa DOES exist. It is a thing, an ideology

Your premise is absurd-50 % because Russian journalists are a lot more intellectual than their western counterparts . and the other 50 % is quite naturally because millions of Russians have closely admired or studied or been influenced by western practises and popular culture in the last 30 years .. than vice versa.

Kiselyov has had an American wife, speaks English, family in Germany and has done many excellent reports on western countries.

Brilyev speaks perfect English and is a British citizen.

Solovyov knows Italy and the US very well and on his talk shows he has done many objective, constructive/positive comments about American business climate and bureaucracy, for instance.

Can you compare any of those guys to their dumb as f ** k western counterparts trying to do a report on Russia?

Different matter if you are talking about RT – that is lowest of the low, anti-russian, garbage.

who cares? Half of Russian articles are 10 times more stupid than US ones

Who cares ? Because the culmination of these deceitful idiot scumbag stories is what creates the momentum to ban Russia from the Olympics based on "collective" not individual punishment , pull Ukraine away from Russia, make a friend of mine be too scared to come to Russia on holiday because "the police will arrest you there for no reason" BS.,dissuade investors from billions in investment because of PR, not practical reasons. create the conditions so that self-discrediting freaks like Browder and Rodchenkov can say any BS as a pretext to sanction russia with zero chance of getting refuted because of the "they will get killed" by Russian agents if they go into the public (whilst going to the public) theory- a hypothesis based on other lie reporting.

Russian media will make clear that its a disgrace the number of people the US police shoot dead each year- but they won't say or imply that Russian tourists will get shot by US police or dissuade them from going on holiday there.

[Mar 24, 2020] "Anastasia Vasilieva and her thermometer" NGO

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Let's take a look at that last article , written by FT's Henry Foy today, and one of the more balanced (read: less PDS-afflicted) journalists doing the Russia beat (not to mention the most prominent in the above sample, having scored an exclusive interview with Putin in 2019).

"The present number of patients with coronavirus will be hidden from us," said Anastasia Vasilieva, chairman of Doctors' Alliance, a Russian lobby group affiliated with opposition politician Alexei Navalny.

Now Foy, to his credit, at least has the journalistic integrity to acknowledge that this doctors' group (which I have never heard of before now) is affiliated with Navalny, whose entire shtick is to oppose everything and anything the Kremlin does.

A political tilt that its chairwoman helpfully confirms:

"The value of human life for our president is nil . . . We don't want to admit to any pandemic," said Ms Vasilieva. "We know of hospitals that are completely full and nurses who are asked to sew face masks from gauze."

Dacian Julien Soros , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 2:54 pm GMT

This weaponizing of random indignation is a classic tool of the Western propaganda. In Romania, we heard for a decade how the national-populists masquerading as socialists are to blame for the lack of highways. It's been a few years since idiot Romanians gather in random cities to complain that their city is not yet hooked to the Austro-Hungarian highway system, despite the lack of traffic between their city and Austro-Hungary.

It is my understanding that, once highway construction will start, there will be protests about natural or archeological treasures presumably endangered by the construction. It has been decently working in Russia, with that Khimki forest.

Anything that can be thrown at a government threatening to leave the NWO will be used. It's even worse for governments that are already one foot out, like Russia / China, or completely out, like Iran / North Korea. Putin will be blamed for epidemics, earthquakes, tsunamis, and even eclipses. If an earthquake would kill only a few, we will hear about "failure to respond". If the earthquake doesn't kill anybody. we will be told that Putin exploited it for propaganda.

One of the ways that CIA and Soros use, in order to weaponize Romania's presumed lack of highways, is to pay some useful idiots, who call themselves "The Association for the Betterment of Highways", "The Pro-Infrastructura Brigade", and so on. Most of these NGOs consist of a single person, who posts videos of them ranting next to a construction site. Using the model that BoJo used for the upcoming marriage (three men and one dog), the more Soros/CIA-resistant types call them "The One-Incel-And-His-Drone Association".

By that same standard, I suspect we call this Doctors' Alliance "Vasilievna-and-her-thermometer Association". Whatever she says about Moscow hospitals is probably informed by her thermometer anyway. I doubt you can tell how things are in a 10-million city, especially if you are a marginal clown.

Is she an ophthalmologist, like The Part-Time Virologist Martyr of Wuhan? Dentist, perhaps?

[Mar 24, 2020] The Wuhan wet market theory, compelling story it may be, has been debunked

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antitermite , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 5:24 am GMT

The Wuhan wet market theory, compelling story it may be, has been debunked

https://observers.france24.com/en/20200203-china-coronavirus-bat-soup-debunk-videos-viral-palau-indonesia

those viral videos were actually filmed in Palau and Indonesia by holidaying Chinese (&Filipinos).

[Mar 24, 2020] The specific wet market in Wuhan is a seadfood market. It does not sell bats.

Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

AnonFromBeijing , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 10:15 am GMT

You are either big liar or very ignorant about that specific wet market in Wuhan.
That specific wet market 海鲜市场 is a seafood market.
It doesn't sell bat.
You are picturing it with your imaginations about the market.
The bat eating report comes from west MSM suddenly after the virus breaks out. The reporting material they show you is picture of Chinese tourism TV show host eat bat soup in some south pacific ocean. Given the rapid response of this west MSM, it's very suspicious that they are after something, again.
The saying of Chinese eat bat is just the same degree as true as Westerners eat human flesh.

Chinese has every reason to suspect the US militaries. Nathen Rich in Youtube has explained some time line details on Mar.17 about why it's possible this virus has US origin.
I just add more about China side information: during the Military Game, 5 strange 'dysentery' US soldiers visited the hospital 金银潭 which also becomes a virus center later in Wuhan.
Route studies in China also shows that earliest infected cases in Wuhan have close contact with the hotel where the US soldiers live during the Game.
US should give us back those 5 soldiers, so we can give them a check.

After Chinese spokesman Zhao Lijian's questions at twitter, some US netizens already remembered their strange flu/pneumonia experience in last winter and their strange dead relative cases at the time.
Italy expert also remembers that in last December, there are already strange pneumonia in Italy, which now they would call COVID-19.
China is not the origin of COVID-19, it is just the first country to detect the virus and opened the information to WHO.

The only reason Chinese might not revenge back for this virus given by US is that now it looks like that US possibly did not do it to China on purpose, but due to pure stupidity and incompetence.

I really shouldn't bother myself explain it to you. Because unfavoured truth doesn't matter to you since US already decide to turns itself the enemy of China. It's basically war time, everything at war to some degrees, no hot wars yet. US government, media and people will serve the war target. US dominance and power in world media and propaganda crushes Chinese voices.
So I expect more smears and lies from US.

But it's not totally bad that you continue feel better about yourself, about your system, and buy all the lies your MSM feed you.

[Mar 24, 2020] Super-spreaders - mostly young fools ignoring social distancing on beaches, in parks, restaurants etc - are now popping up, most recently returning from Florida spring break

Mar 24, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Trisha , Mar 23 2020 19:06 utc | 27

Thanks b for the update.

Unfortunately, we in the US are way behind the curve in finding and locking down clusters. In fact super-spreaders - mostly young fools ignoring social distancing on beaches, in parks, restaurants etc - are now popping up, most recently returning from Florida spring break to Utah. Testing rates remain abysmal.

Idaho cases just went exponential, doubling about every 3 days. Republic Governor there is pretty much a copy of Trump, as in a dangerous idiot, giving press conferences with multiple staff hovering around, downplaying the risks, lying about test availability, talking about protecting businesses, etc.

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Imagine if the congress approved a measure to form a public-private partnership between the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve. Can you imagine that?

Now imagine if a panicky and ill-informed Congress gave the Fed a blank check to bail out all of its crooked crony corporate and Wall Street friends, allowing the Fed to provide more than $4.5 trillion to underwater corporations that ripped off Mom and Pop investors by selling them bonds that were used to goose their stock prices so fatcat CEOs could make off like bandits. Imagine if all that red ink from private actors was piled onto the national debt pushing long-term interest rates into the stratosphere while crushing small businesses, households and ordinary working people.

Now try to imagine the impact this would have on the nation's future. Imagine if the Central Bank was given the green-light to devour the Treasury, control the country's "purse strings", and use nation's taxing authority to shore up its trillions in ultra-risky leveraged bets, its opaque financially-engineered ponzi-instruments, and its massive speculative debts that have gone pear-shaped leaving a gaping black hole on its balance sheet?

Well, you won't have to imagine this scenario for much longer, because the reality is nearly at hand. You see, the traitorous, dumbshit nincompoops in Congress are just a hairs-breadth away from abdicating congress's crucial power of the purse, which is not only their greatest strength, but also allows the congress to reign in abuses of executive power by controlling the flow of funding. The power of the purse is the supreme power of government which is why the founders entrusted it to the people's elected representatives in congress. Now these imbeciles are deciding whether to hand over that authority to a privately-owned banking cartel that has greatly expanded the chasm between rich and poor, incentivized destructive speculation on an industrial scale, and repeatedly inflated behemoth asset-price bubbles that have inevitably blown up sending stocks and the real economy into freefall. The idea of merging the Fed and the Treasury first appeared in its raw form in an article by former Fed chairman Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen in the Financial Times. Here's a short excerpt from the piece:

"The Fed could ask Congress for the authority to buy limited amounts of investment-grade corporate debt The Fed's intervention could help restart that part of the corporate debt market, which is under significant stress. Such a programme would have to be carefully calibrated to minimize the credit risk taken by the Fed while still providing needed liquidity to an essential market." ( Financial Times )

The Fed is not allowed to buy corporate debt, because it is not within its mandate of "price stability and full employment". It's also not allowed to arbitrarily intervene in the markets to pick winners and losers, nor is it allowed to bailout poorly-managed crybaby corporations who were gaming the system to their own advantage when the whole deal blew up in their faces. That's their problem, not the Fed's and not the American taxpayer's.

But notice how Bernanke emphasizes how "Such a programme would have to be carefully calibrated to minimize the credit risk taken by the Fed". Why do you think he said that?

He said it because he anticipates an arrangement where the new Treasury-Fed combo could buy up to "$4.5 trillion of corporate debt" (according to Marketwatch and BofA). And the way this will work, is the Fed will select the bonds that will be purchased and the credit risk will be heaped onto the US Treasury. Apparently Bernanke and Yellen think this is a "fair" arrangement, but others might differ on that point.

Keep in mind, that in the last week alone, investors pulled a record $107 billion out of corporate bonds which is a market which has been in a deep-freeze for nearly a month. The only activity is the steady surge of redemptions by frantic investors who want to get their money back before the listing ship heads for Davey Jones locker. This is the market that Bernanke wants the American people to bail out mainly because he doesn't want to submerge the Fed's balance sheet in red ink. He wants to find a sucker who will take the loss instead. That's where Uncle Sam comes in, he's the target of this subterfuge. This same theme pops up in a piece in the Wall Street Journal. Check it out:

"At least Treasury has come around to realizing it needs a facility to provide liquidity for companies. But as we write this, Mr. Mnuchin was still insisting that Treasury have control of most of the money to be able to ladle out directly to companies it wants to help. This is a recipe for picking winners and losers, and thus for bitter political fights and months of ugly headlines charging favoritism. The far better answer is for Treasury to use money from Congress to replenish the Exchange Stabilization Fund to back the Fed in creating a facility or special-purpose vehicles under Section 13(3) to lend the money to all comers. "( "Leaderless on the Econom" , Wall Street Journal)

I can hardly believe the author is bold enough to say this right to our faces. Read it carefully: They are saying "We want your money, but not your advice. The Fed will choose who gets the cash and who doesn't. Just put your trillions on the counter and get the hell out."

Isn't that what they're saying? Of course it is. And the rest of the article is even more arrogant:

"The Fed can charge a non-concessionary rate, but the vehicles should be open to those who think they need the money, not merely to those Treasury decides are worthy." (Huh? So the Treasury should have no say so in who gets taxpayer money??) The looming liquidity crisis is simply too great for that kind of bureaucratic, politicized decision-making. (Wall Street Journal)

Get it? In other words, the folks at Treasury are just too stupid or too prejudiced to understand the subtleties of a bigass bailout like this. Is that arrogance or what?

This is the contempt these people have for you and me and everyone else who isn't a part of their elitist gaggle of reprobates. Here's a clip from another article at the WSJ that helps to show how the financial media is pushing this gigantic handout to corporate America:.

"The Federal Reserve, Treasury Department and banking regulators deserve congratulations for their bold, necessary actions to provide liquidity to the U.S. financial system amid the coronavirus crisis. But more remains to be done. We thus recommend: (1) immediate congressional action . to authorize the Treasury to use the Exchange Stabilization Fund to guarantee prime money-market funds, (2) regulatory action to effect temporary reductions in bank capital and liquidity requirements (NOTE–So now the banks don't need to hold capital against their loans?) .. additional Fed lending to banks and nonbanks .(Note -by "nonbanks", does the author mean underwater hedge funds?)

We recommend that the Fed take further actions as lender of last resort. First, it should re-establish the Term Auction Facility, used in the 2008 crisis, allowing depository institutions to borrow against a broad range of collateral at an auction price (Note–They want to drop the requirement for good Triple A collateral.) Second, it should consider further exercising its Section 13(3) authority to provide additional liquidity to nonbanks, potentially including purchases of corporate debt through a special-purpose vehicle" ( "Do More to Avert a Liquidity Crisis" , Wall Street Journal )

This isn't a bailout, it's a joke, and there's no way Congress should approve these measures, particularly the merging of the US Treasury with the cutthroat Fed. That's a prescription for disaster! The Fed needs to be abolished not embraced as a state institution. It's madness!

And look how the author wants to set up an special-purpose vehicle (SPV) so the accounting chicanery can be kept off the books which means the public won't know how much money is being flushed down the toilet trying to resuscitate these insolvent corporations whose executives are still living high on the hog on the money they stole from credulous investors. This whole scam stinks to high heaven!

Meanwhile America's working people will get a whopping $1,000 bucks to tide them over until the debts pile up to the rafters and they're forced to rob the neighborhood 7-11 to feed the kids. How fair is that?

And don't kid yourself: This isn't a bailout, it's the elitist's political agenda aimed at creating a permanent underclass who'll work for peanuts just to eek out a living.

Welcome to Sweatshop Amerika!


anachronism , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 5:03 am GMT

In 2008-2009, the Federal Reserve bailed out the global banking system to the tune of $16 Trillion. But American citizens were left to pay usurious rates of interest on $1 Trillion of credit card debt. And American students had lost years of economic opportunity but their $1 Trillion dollars of debt could not be discharged through bankruptcy.

This time the banks should stand behind the debtors at the government troth.

anachronism , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 5:06 am GMT
It's hard to understand how holiday cruise shipping can be regarded as an essential business.

It is almost as hard to understand why a "Globalist Enterprise" should be spared its fate through the generosity of of one country. Even harder to understand, why would that one country should bail out a business, which had employed both tax-avoidance schemes as well as strategy import substitution and foreign investment to improve its profits at the expense of that country.

Nationalism is better that globalism. The current crisis was not caused by globalism; but globalism has drained from our country the means to respond to the crisis with the medicines and equipment that would reduce its severity.

Not a single cent of government aid should go toward a person or an entity outside the United States and it territories. Conditions should be placed upon such aid, so that the companies receiving it, must domesticate their supply chains, and must produce and develop their products within the United States.

Kim , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 5:38 am GMT
@anachronism Make the universities discharge the student debt. It was their scam all along. They can begin by retrenching their schools of the humanities and at least halving their administrative staff. And end building and sports programs. The fat hangs heavy on that particular pig.
anachronism , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 7:19 am GMT
@Kim I agree with you up to a point.

The student and the university should share responsibility equally. In the future, the institution should be made a co-signor on any student loan; and the obligation to repay the loan should be joint and several for both the institution and the student.

Bankruptcy provides the ex-student with the chance to start over and to escape the burden; but not without consequences. This will discourage the ex-student, who is doing well financially and has the means to service the debt, from just walking away.

[Mar 24, 2020] MAN WITH CORONA VIRUS SEEKS WOMAN WITH LIME DISEASE

If true and both were bioengineered, this is a very sad joke
Mar 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

Gabacho Gris , says: Show Comment March 22, 2020 at 3:05 pm GMT

MAN WITH CORONA VIRUS SEEKS WOMAN WITH LIME DISEASE
As a fellow expat in Mexico, I'm surprised that you, nor anyone else, is talking about how the pandemic will hit Mexico. Twice the population of Italy, and with similar cultures, I suspect Covid-19 will sweep Mexico like a prairie fire. God save us.
Mr McKenna , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 6:56 am GMT
@Gabacho Gris

I suspect Covid-19 will sweep Mexico like a prairie fire. God save us.

In Nature, prairie fires have their purpose too.

[Mar 24, 2020] Amazing that the elites who go on so about population reduction are precisely the ones have five or six children

Mar 24, 2020 | off-guardian.org

Rhys Jaggar ,

Amazing that the elites who go on so about population reduction are precisely the ones have five or six children. Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Toby Young (at only four he has seriously been priest-like), Trump, Andrew Roberts, Tony Blair (again only four, scandalous): it should be a capital crime for any Agenda 21 supporters to have more than one child.

Who thinks that Blair has 'superior genes'?

[Mar 24, 2020] Coronovirus and Yevgeny Zamyatin dystopian novel We

Mar 24, 2020 | off-guardian.org

Francis Lee ,

Sounds very much like Yevgeny Zamyatin – We . But we never thought it would happen!

[Mar 24, 2020] Scientists at Michael Bloomberg School of Multiplication at Johns Hopkins University have discovered a new and highly dangerous and contagious source of death

Mar 24, 2020 | off-guardian.org

Scientists at Michael Bloomberg School of Multiplication at Johns Hopkins University have discovered a new and highly dangerous and contagious source of death. It is called life.

The discovery was long in the making, with some great sages of Ancient world expounding it, but, it could not be scientifically proven, until the scientists zeroed in on a small mountainous region in Nepal, where people (average age 90) all of the sudden began to die. They were healthy before and then they began to drop like flies, reported local newspaper.

The team of American researchers from aforementioned university began to eliminate all the possible causes of death: these guys don't drive, they don't drink, they practice peaceful coexistence, and they eat solely vegan food.

... ... ...

[Mar 24, 2020] One interesting coronavirus symptom

Mar 24, 2020 | www.youtube.com

Skillz Set , 1 week ago

[Mar 23, 2020] "Strange pneumonia" circulating in Italy before Wuhan outbreak, leading Italian doctor says Asia Review

Mar 23, 2020 | asia-review.com

"Strange pneumonia" circulating in Italy before Wuhan outbreak, leading Italian doctor says March 22, 2020 March 22, 2020 Asia-Review Europe In an interview with NPR, one of Europe's leading medical experts said that a "strange pneumonia" was circulating in Lombardy as early as November, weeks before doctors detected the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan.

Giuseppe Remuzzi, director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan said that

"They (general practitioners) remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November."

"This means that the virus was circulating, at least in (the northern region of) Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China."

Remuzzi's comments means it is possible Italy had been ground zero of the virus. His comments come as scientists continue scrambling to find the origin of the virus. Chinese pulmonary disease expert Zhong Nanshan said earlier this week that although China was the first country to report the appearance of the virus, it was uncertain where it actually came from.

Italy reported 6,557 new cases of the virus on Saturday, raising the total to 53,578 since the virus first broke out in northern Italy on Feb. 21, according to the latest data given by the Civil Protection Department.

[Mar 23, 2020] No, China didn't cover up the Covid-19 outbreak An analysis – Asia Review

Mar 23, 2020 | asia-review.com

No, China didn't cover up the Covid-19 outbreak: An analysis No, China didn't cover up the Covid-19 outbreak: An analysis March 20, 2020 March 23, 2020 Asia-Review China Over the course of the course of the outbreak, the narrative surrounding Covid-19 has changed from "China did great in containing the virus" to "China covered up the virus for weeks, CCP must be held accountable". Many have started to parrot the Chinese "cover up" blindly without looking into the claims.

The "cover up" is largely a false narrative that was initially propagated by various news outlets, like the New York Times and the Guardian.

On March 21, leaked cables and statements from officials revealed the US State Department had informed its officials to propagate the coverup myth in order to distract the American public from its own failures.

"These talking points are all anyone is really talking about right now," one official said. "Everything is about China. We're being told to try and get this messaging out in any way possible, including press conferences and television appearances."

The timeline

2019-12-01 – a viral pneumonia patient with an unknown cause was hospitalized at Jinyintan Hospital. This patient was the earliest known case of 2019-nCoV infections. The patient did not have any exposure to Huanan Seafood Market.

2019-12-27 – Dr. Zhang Jixian, ICU doctor at Hubei Hospital of Integrated Traditional Chinese and Western Medicine, files report to Wuhan Municipal Health Commission on pneumonia patients with an unknown cause. Investigation opens shortly later.

2019-12-28 – three more patients arrives to the hospital, all of whom were related to Huanan Seafood Market.

2019-12-30 – Li Wenliang sent messages to private Wechat group about 7 cases of unknown virus, (wrongly) claiming it was SARS.

2019-12-30 – Notice issued and public health announcement made by Wuhan Municipal Health Committee of an unknown viral illness.

2019-12-31 – China receives genome results from commercial lab.

2019-12-31 – WHO is informed of mysterious pneumonia cases in Wuhan China with unknown cause. Wuhan City authorities put out public notice and is reported by CCTV and CGTN.

2020-01-01 – Seafood market shut down as potential cause of outbreak. Chinese researchers at the CCDC publish an article on suspected outbreak.

2020-01-03 – China reports a total of 44 suspected patients with the mystery disease.

2020-01-03 – National Health Commission classified the virus as a highly pathogenic virus, orders all labs to either destroy samples or transfer them to higher level labs. (cited as evidence of coverup such as by NY Post)

2020-01-09 – For the first time, Chinese labs confirm the existence of the new virus. Genetic sequencing work starts

2020-01-09 – China reports first death linked to Covid-19. A 61-year-old male in Wuhan with several underlying medical conditions.

2020-01-11- China shares the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus to international database.

2020-01-14 – WHO reports there is "limited human-to-human transmission between close contacts. WHO assesses that there was no clear evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission. https://www.who.int/csr/don/14-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-thailand-ex-china/en/

2020-01-21 – WHO confirms human-to-human transmission of the virus.

2020-01-24 – China declares complete quarantine of Wuhan.

The main claims of Chinese coverups by Western media:

1. China arrested whistleblower Li Wenliang to silence him

On December 30, Li Wenliang sent some messages to a private Wechat group with a few of his friends, claiming that he saw patient scans and that "There has been 7 confirmed cases of SARS"

Li Wenliang was an opthalmologist (a doctor specialised in eye disorders), who claimed that the virus outbreak was confirmed to be SARS. This was objectively false information spread by a doctor in an unrelated field, obviously he would get censured for spreading rumours. Also, contrary to popular belief, he was not arrested at all, only told by the police to stop spreading rumours and sign a notice. He was reportedly at the police station for only an hour, hardly as serious as Western media have made it sound.

This post goes into further detail debunking the New York Times claim that Li Wenliang was a whistleblower and shows how they twisted the story to suit their narrative: https://mronline.org/2020/03/05/yellow-caking-an-epidemic/

Icing on the cake for the New York Post:

Source: Twitter Xinhua

2. China issued gag order and instructions to destroy samples on January 3rd

The New York Post , claims that China's National Health Commission's issuing of gag order and instructions to destroy the samples on January 3rd was evidence of coverup.

There are 2 problems with this claim. Firstly, China already informed the WHO of the virus 4 days prior, on 31 December. There is no reason China would inform the WHO voluntarily if they were going to try and cover it up.

Secondly, they intentionally left out the reasoning behind the NHC's actions, which is that commercial gene sequencing companies are not allowed to process highly contagious viruses. "China's NHC published an announcement classifying the coronavirus as a highly pathogenic micro-organism (type 2), and requested all samples to be handed to provincial or higher level health authorities. All other organizations or person with the virus sample should either destroy or transfer them" http://china.caixin.com/2020-02-26/101520972.html https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/fkh7r6/propaganda_debunking_western_media_china/

3. China covered up whether it was human-to-human transmissible

This SCMP article quoting the New England Medical Journal is frequently used as evidence that China covered up information about its transmissibility. The journal states that "there is evidence that human-to-human transmission has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019."

This Vox article quoting Lancet presents two cases of human-to-human transmission before January 20. One is the wife of the first person who died. The other is a family in Shenzhen.

Yes, both China and WHO knew about these cases and did not declare the virus was human-to-human transmissible at the time. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-has-limited-human-to-human-transmission-but-could-spread-wider-who

That is because "limited human-to-human transmission between close contacts" is not the same as declaring it "human-to-human transmissible". For it to be officially declared "human-to-human transmissible" there had to be evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission. https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1218741294291308545

It was only when there was widespread infection to medical staff on the 20th of January that there was sufficient evidence to declare it was "human-to-human transmissible". http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/20/c_138721762.htm

4. China faked the numbers

Few media outlets have actually made this claim, but instead many commentators have claimed, without a shred of evidence that China must be faking its numbers because Italy had a higher mortality rate.

An easy counter to this would be to simply compare the mortality rate and spread with other countries. Taiwan, South Korea and many other countries reported lower cases and mortality rates. China's mortality rate is nothing special, being right in the middle.

People seem to think that China can simply hide thousands of extra cases and extra bodies, but its simply not possible with its widespread connectivity to the internet, especially when the entire world's journalists are trying to find stories of China's cover up.

Commendations of China's response to COVID-19

Donald Trump

Source: Twitter

Yes, Donald Trump and the rest of his government knew China was transparent and took great measures to contain the virus.

It was only when the virus exposed how incompetent the US was that he decided to switch to attacking China, spreading the cover-up myth to distract Americans, as I detailed in another post: https://asia-review.com/2020/03/20/how-the-us-is-using-chinese-virus-as-a-distraction-from-their-own-incompetence/

Bill Gates

Source: Reddit

Bill Gates counters the common perception of China faking its numbers.

WHO Joint Mission

The WHO Joint Mission consisted of 25 national and international experts. It was headed by Dr. Bruce Aylward of WHO and Dr Wannian Liang of the People's Republic of China. The Joint Mission was implemented over a 9-day period from 16-24 February 2020.

  1. In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history. The strategy that underpinned this containment effort was initially a national approach that promoted universal temperature monitoring, masking, and hand washing. However, as the outbreak evolved, and knowledge was gained, a science and risk-based approach was taken to tailor implementation. Specific containment measures were adjusted to the provincial, county and even community context, the capacity of the setting, and the nature of novel coronavirus transmission there.
  2. Achieving China's exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities. Despite ongoing outbreaks in their own areas, Governors and Mayors have continued to send thousands of health care workers and tons of vital PPE supplies into Hubei province and Wuhan city.
  3. China's bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic. A particularly compelling statistic is that on the first day of the advance team's work there were 2478 newly confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported in China. Two weeks later, on the final day of this Mission, China reported 409 newly confirmed cases. This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real.
  4. China is already, and rightfully, working to bolster its economy, reopen its schools and return to a more normal semblance of its society, even as it works to contain the remaining chains of COVID-19 transmission. Appropriately, a science-based, riskinformed and phased approach is being taken, with a clear recognition and readiness of the need to immediately react to any new COVID-19 cases or clusters as key elements of the containment strategy are lifted.

Full report: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Conclusion

China's response to the outbreak of Covid-19 has been exceedingly transparent, swift, effective and lifesaving.

However, the narrative has been hijacked by a few Western media outlets to propagate a cover-up using nitpicked events that were twisted to fit their narrative.

The reason it has been succesful is because it aligns with pre-existing Western biases about China's government being untrustworthy liars.

[Mar 23, 2020] The article that debunks the idea that the Chinese govt initially covered up the outbreak. That disinformation is propagated by the NYT and US media.

Mar 23, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

occupatio , Mar 23 2020 18:33 utc | 12

No, China didn't cover up the Covid-19 outbreak: An analysis

https://asia-review.com/2020/03/20/no-china-didnt-cover-up-the-covid-19-outbreak/

The above article is a concise and clear summary of the Wuhan timeline that debunks the idea that the Chinese govt initially covered up the outbreak. That disinformation is propagated by the NYT and US media.

[Mar 23, 2020] Coronavirus NHS doctors feel like 'lambs to slaughter' without protective kit, warns senior medic by Lizzy Buchan

From comments: "They had three months to prepare. Their attitude: "They need us more than we need them. Get ready for brexit." That is all they care about. Their criminal neglect and insane obsession has consigned tens of thousands to death. "
Notable quotes:
"... nearly 4,000 NHS workers appealed to the prime minister to "protect the lives of the life-savers" and resolve the "unacceptable" shortage of protective equipment. ..."
"... Dr Parmar told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "We have had doctors tell us they feel like lambs to the slaughter, that they feel like cannon fodder. GPs tell us that they feel absolutely abandoned. ..."
"... In an open letter to The Sunday Times, some 3,963 doctors said staff were "putting their lives on the line every day" by treating coronavirus patients without appropriate protection. ..."
"... The letter said: "Frontline doctors have been telling us for weeks that they do not feel safe at work. ..."
Mar 23, 2020 | independent.co.uk

Coronavirus: NHS doctors feel like 'lambs to slaughter' without protective kit, warns senior medic. 'We must really stress to the prime minister that we need to protect the front line here'

Doctors battling the coronavirus outbreak feel like "lambs to the slaughter" without adequate protection equipment, a senior medic has said.

Dr Rinesh Parmar, chair of the Doctors' Association, said frontline NHS staff were being treated as "cannon fodder" as he launched a desperate appeal to Boris Johnson for more resources to keep medics safe.

Dr Parmar, a consultant anaesthetist who is working on a Covid-19 intensive care ward, said it was the "calm before the storm" and NHS staff were braced for a surge in cases.

His warning came as nearly 4,000 NHS workers appealed to the prime minister to "protect the lives of the life-savers" and resolve the "unacceptable" shortage of protective equipment.

Dr Parmar told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "We have had doctors tell us they feel like lambs to the slaughter, that they feel like cannon fodder. GPs tell us that they feel absolutely abandoned.

... ... ...

In an open letter to The Sunday Times, some 3,963 doctors said staff were "putting their lives on the line every day" by treating coronavirus patients without appropriate protection.

The letter said: "Frontline doctors have been telling us for weeks that they do not feel safe at work.

"Intensive care doctors and anaesthetists have told us they have been carrying out the highest-risk procedure, putting a patient on a ventilator, with masks that expired in 2015."

[Mar 23, 2020] Some inventive modern ways to disinfect masks

Microware can be used for cleaning if you make the mask slightly wet. In this case they will heat to over 60 0 C. Other then using alcohol this is probably the fastest method of disinfection
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Don Utter , Mar 23 2020 18:11 utc | 4
Can a mask be cleaned by a microwave?

Taffyboy , Mar 23 2020 18:51 utc | 21

@4

If you can, get one of these, and there are 110 volt UVC lamps also.

https://www.amazon.ca/Germicidal-Lamp-Ozone-Light-Covers/dp/B07RWZ5SG6/ref=sr_1_10?crid=2RDBYXDA7Q4F2&keywords=uvc+lamp+germicide&qid=1584989398&sprefix=uvc+lamp%2Caps%2C913&sr=8-10

[Mar 23, 2020] No Refunds Costco Hoarders Discover They Can't Return Toilet Paper

Mar 23, 2020 | www.zerohedge.com

Those who have regrets after realizing that COVID-19 isn't a 'pooping disease' were met with signs at various Costco locations informing them that they won't be able to return all that toilet paper, paper towels, sanitizing wipes, water, rice and lysol they bought in anticipation of a societal collapse, according to brobible .

lmao Costco basically saying y'all wanted to be extra, y'all gonna deal with your millions of toilet paper all over your house #sorrytammy pic.twitter.com/eCFhoiDp33

-- m (@capricorngirlyy) March 19, 2020

Enjoy your lifetime supply of toilet paper and wipes you crazy #hoarders ! #Costco is not taking any more returns. Better start figuring out what you are gonna do with 10 bags of rice you bought! pic.twitter.com/z2U7tN7ru3

-- Xyth Lord (@Xyth_Lord) March 19, 2020

Seriously gotta calm down 😂 Costco is not accepting returns on toilet paper, bounty, sanitizers etc pic.twitter.com/KKRAg5n1B4

-- Theju 🌸 (@PinkCancerian) March 19, 202

Costco, meanwhile, may have over-bought in anticipation of sustained demand which has petered out.

It looks like "the whole toilet-paper craze has calmed down," tweeted one shopper.

Guess the whole toilet-paper craze has calmed down. Quiet morning at Costco. pic.twitter.com/tt6wtcFV5f

-- Sean Coleman (@SColemanUFA) March 22, 2020

Now what to do with all that TP?

[Mar 23, 2020] Rephasing famous quip of George W Bush

Mar 23, 2020 | www.unz.com

9/11 Inside job , says: Show Comment March 23, 2020 at 12:56 pm GMT

FOOL ME ONCE (9/11 PSYOP) SHAME ON YOU, FOOL ME TWICE(COVID-19 PSYOP) SHAME ON ME

[Mar 23, 2020] It's Nature's immune system, we are the virus.

Mar 23, 2020 | www.youtube.com

Kurt D. , 8 hours ago

It's Nature's immune system, we are the virus.

[Mar 23, 2020] I've decided to take your favorite president's, or one of them's, advice and reduce my exposure to city slickers corona, politicians and people who work for a living

Mar 23, 2020 | turcopolier.typepad.com

...As of this writing an update from the Kentucky Department of Health says there are now at least 99 cases of COVID-19 in the state. Coincidentally that's the same as the number of beers on the wall of Buddy's Man Bear Cave. But thanks to Mitch we do know that Kentucky has 4,500,000 residents and 9,000,000 barrels of Bourbon.

...Thanks to the governor the distillerys are still open, 'cept for tourists

...I know, those were better'n anything in NYC, and cheaper too; but remember what happened last time you took your old girlfriend there and they had to drive her home? That didn't work out too well.

...Now Buddy, you know our 3 letter agencies are full of career professionals who would love nothing more than to penetrate to the heart of darkness that is the Office of the President. Why look at what Comrade Brennan manged in his efforts. No, I haven't seen him or Chairman Schiff anywhere lately, I wonder where all that evidence of his went? Anybody know if he's in quarantine? He's even scarcer than RBG. I wonder why?

turcopolier , 23 March 2020 at 08:07 PM

All

Yes. I am waiting here in occupied Virginia for their next move.

[Mar 23, 2020] Dystopian books and coronavirus

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Jay , Mar 23 2020 18:34 utc | 14

In the case of "Brave New World", the establishment knows how to cure pretty much any conventional disease. Then if you're in approved society you die around age 60 because of everything that's kept you alive and looking like 40.

I just read the book last month for the first time in 30+ years. It does belong on that diagram. And "1984" doesn't either, since it really doesn't deal with anything like infectious diseases--reread that about 2 years ago.


I've not read the other 2 outer books ever, but the movie of "Fahrenheit 451", which I just watched and Bradbury certainly had a hand in writing, has nothing to do with infectious disease.

There might be something in Camus' "The Plague" though. Haven't read that since the 1980s.

There aren't food shortages so not sure about the "Soylent Green" reference, yet at least. "Long's Run" is about killing people off at age 35, which I guess overlaps with "kill 80% of the poor workers", something the likes of Charles Koch certainly supports. So indirectly there could be a "Logan's Run" connection.

Gattica is just about favored people with the right genes, so an update of "Brave New World", without the highly literate "savage" as the main character.

I don't see how "The Matrix" relates, that's more about the material world's completeness being an illusion.

"Clockwork Orange?" A thug suppressed with mind control?

Haven't read "Lord of the Flies", but don't the kids worship a god of the island, and justify the horrors they commit based on that conception of god or a god?

[Mar 23, 2020] We need to be wary of cover-your-ass (CYA) propaganda narratives.

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Jackrabbit , Mar 22 2020 15:56 utc | 14

john @5

We need to be wary of cover-your-ass (CYA) propaganda narratives.

Government failure (including failure by government officials) is now being excused and misdirected.

Those failures are so deep and systemic that they appear to me to have been deliberate. There are only a few reasons why they would want to fail. Some of these may be:

More here: The Empire Games Covid-19

!!

Jackrabbit , Mar 22 2020 16:06 utc | 15

Paul Damascene @11

I suggest you read comments made on the virus-related threads.

The virus isn't fake, but the CRISIS! is.

Just a few reasons:

- USA classified all discussion related to preparation for the virus;

- suppression of testing;

- failure to prepare despite urgent warnings;

- blaming China for US/West lack of preparation (they have sufficient info);

- failure to acknowledge and implement treatment;

- rush of aid to Wall Street and corporations while slow-walking money to ordinary people (will we ever see that money?).

!!

[Mar 23, 2020] Chronology of the death of a French doctor today

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Mina , Mar 22 2020 17:05 utc | 31

Chronology of the death of a French doctor today. Came back from a trip to Madagascar a month ago in good shape. Was working at Compiegnes, which because a cluster in mid-February when it received a taxi driver who was positive and treated him without special precautions. Got sick and was quarantined 3 weeks ago, i.e. early March, two weeks after exposition.
Died today. That is to say that most of the dead we see now might have been affected since mid-Feb.

[Mar 23, 2020] Fake science: Dr. Dan Lee Dinke claims that breathing hot air in a sauna for 20 minutes will mostly clean the upper respiratory tract of corona-viruses

Sauna or hot tube might help as it raise body temperature to fever levels and as such inhibit spreading of the virus.
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LP , Mar 22 2020 18:50 utc | 52
Sauna is your friend:

https://youtu.be/vz5KmKKiuqk

Dr. Dan Lee Dinke: All Corona-viruses have a common weakness:heat kills them. Specifically relative short exposure to 56°C. Breathing hot air in a sauna for 20 minutes will mostly clean the upper respiratory tract of corona-viruses, but a hair dryer can also help if no sauna available.

The video is worth to watch and could save lives through such a simple method.

c1ue , Mar 22 2020 19:22 utc | 57

@LP #52
Wrong. The lower respiratory tract - the temperature is stable via mixing outside air with inside. Otherwise people could not survive in extreme cold or extreme heat situations.

The hot air might kill the virus outside; it won't kill the virus in the lower respiratory tract.

[Mar 23, 2020] The Corona Waltz (sung to the tune of Tom Lehrer's "Alma")

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bigchin , Mar 22 2020 20:27 utc | 67

The Corona Waltz (sung to the tune of Tom Lehrer's "Alma")
The first one to drop out was Butti
found out voters don't vote for snooty
then stealing his thunder came Amy
who knew she'd get more press on Monday
and joining hands, speaking of unity
Tom's hammer came down with impunity
the blowout for Biden was certain
even better 'cause the commies are hurtin'!
Then came corona
Dems stuck with Joe, now it's ovah
now that we need a new biz
where are Butti and Amy and Liz?

[Mar 23, 2020] Wuhan coronavirus death toll rises to 56 as healthcare workers say medical supplies are running out

Jan 26, 2020 | cnnphilippines.com

In Wuhan, ground zero for the virus, four healthcare workers -- including doctors -- have told CNN of the difficulties facing medical crews on the ground. They have asked to remain anonymous to avoid repercussions.

Through telephone conversations with CNN and posts on Chinese social media, they told of low hospital resources. In private groups online, those identified as hospital staff are coordinating with members of the public to import protective equipment as they treat an increasing number of infected patients.

"In terms of resources, the whole of Wuhan is lacking," one Wuhan-based healthcare worker told CNN by phone. This person said they were looking for more protective clothing, protective goggles and masks.

"It's really like we're going into battle stripped to the waist," one healthcare worker added, using a Chinese idiom that equates to "going into battle without armor".

One hospital staff member claims healthcare workers have resorted to wearing diapers to work so as to avoid having to remove their HAZMAT suits, which they say are in short supply. A doctor on her Chinese social media Weibo page described similar accounts at another Wuhan hospital.

"My family members are definitely worried about me, but I still have to work," another doctor told. But she said that she is hopeful they will ultimately get the gear they need. "Our bosses, our hospital suppliers will definitely find a way to get these stocks to us," she added.

It's not clear if these accounts are anecdotal or whether there are widespread shortages across Wuhan.

Chinese state media has also shared posts from multiple Wuhan hospitals in which they ask for public donations of medical supplies. They report that one hospital staff member said the current supplies "are only able to sustain three or four days".

The Wuhan Health Commission has requisitioned over 10,000 beds from 24 hospitals to be used in the treatment of confirmed and suspected cases.

On Friday, Wuhan officials acknowledged that local hospitals were struggling to accommodate people seeking medical attention and said measures were being put into place to alleviate the situation.

State media also reported that the city aims to build a 25,000 square meter (269,100 square foot) new facility within a week, increasing hospital capacity by 1,000 beds, and that several medical centers in Hubei province are asking for medical gear donations.

[Mar 23, 2020] Perspectives of using mRNA technology for a vaccine for the COVID-19

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Likklemore , Mar 22 2020 14:55 utc | 2

I read of the new tool scanning online messages. Checking in: late afternoon my two comments, in reply, failed to appear in the "Western Governments failures" thread.

Coronavirus, Vaccines and the Gates Foundation -
F. William Engdahl delves into the new mRNA vaccine.


[.] Gates Foundation monies via CEPI are financing development of a radical new vaccine method known as messengerRNA or mRNA.

They are co-funding the Cambridge, Massachusetts biotech company, Moderna Inc., to develop a vaccine against the Wuhan novel coronavirus, now called SARS-CoV-2. Moderna's other partner is the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Head of NIAID is Dr Anthony Fauci, the person at the center of the Trump Administration virus emergency response. Notable about the Fauci-Gates Moderna coronavirus vaccine, mRNA-1273, is that it has been rolled out in a matter of weeks, not years, and on February 24 went directly to Fauci's NIH for tests on human guinea pigs, not on mice as normal. Moderna's chief medical adviser, Tal Zaks, argued, "I don't think proving this in an animal model is on the critical path to getting this to a clinical trial."

Another notable admission by Moderna on its website is the legal disclaimer, "Special Note Regarding Forward-Looking Statements: These risks, uncertainties, and other factors include, among others: the fact that there has never been a commercial product utilizing mRNA technology approved for use." In other words, completely unproven for human health and safety.

Another biotech company working with unproven mRNA technology to develop a vaccine for the COVID-19 is a German company, CureVac. Since 2015 CureVac has received money from the Gates Foundation to develop its own mRNA technology. In January the Gates-backed CEPI granted more than $8 million to develop a mRNA vaccine for the novel coronavirus.[.]

======
early fall the CDC planning and forgot to order test kits and ventilators:---{hapstance} ---the recruitment of

Public Health Advisors (Quarantine Program) country wide major cities, every state
Open Period:2019-11-15 to 2020-05-15 Salary $511440. to $93077.
Job summary: - responsible for preventing the importation and spread of communicable diseases from abroad and spread of these diseases domestically.[.]

Duties:
[Provide technical assistance, consultation and guidance to national, state and / or local agencies; health organizations; federal, state and local law enforcement agencies [.] and quarantine activities [.] ]

[Mar 23, 2020] Karmic irony

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Circe , Mar 22 2020 20:31 utc | 68

But I will say this, cause I'm very much into karmic irony. Rand Paul the weasel Senator responsible for holding up the Coronavirus tax relief Bill has just tested positive for the Covid-19. Gawd, I really hope he didn't come anywhere in close contact to Bernie this past week.

Anyway, looks like Rand Paul won't be an obstacle for a while.

[Mar 23, 2020] Mnuchin says coronavirus looks like 10 to 12 week scenario

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vk , Mar 22 2020 17:23 utc | 35

'Nobody knew Covid-19 would take off like it did': Mnuchin says coronavirus looks like 10 to 12 week scenario

OK, therefore, it's not China's fault either. Good to know that was cleared up.

[Mar 23, 2020] Lovely! You gotta love the EU!

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Mina , Mar 22 2020 17:10 utc | 34

Lovely! You gotta love the EU!
http://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20200322-czech-republic-sends-face-masks-to-italy-after-shipment-from-china-stolen-coronavirus
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/confusion-after-czech-officials-seize-china-donated-masks-bound-for-italy

[Mar 22, 2020] In essence, the misnamed "intelligence community" is a distillation of the gravest intellectual flaws in contemporary neoliberal academia

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William Gruff , Mar 22 2020 12:57 utc | 155

In essence, the misnamed "intelligence community" is a distillation of the gravest intellectual flaws in contemporary neoliberal (non-STEM) academia.

So naturally when China tries to "out-victim" them by pointing out that the virus was a bioweapon attack, these members of the misnamed "intelligence community" feel honor bound to defend the supremacy of their own victim status by minimizing China's victim status. That may sound crazy to people from prior generations, but it is the logical destination for victim culture.

[Mar 22, 2020] Intelligence agencies and the virus

Highly recommended!
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kiwiklown , Mar 22 2020 10:11 utc | 128

@Jackrabbit | Mar 21 2020 22:32 utc | 50

"These officials "failed us" in the same way that our media "fails us": they serve the interests of the EMPIRE-FIRST Deep State."

Yuppp. Our error is to assume all 17 intelligence agencies; the presstitudes; and US "leadership" exist to serve the American people. And so, yes, they "fail" the people. But, from the point of view of the controllers of those agencies and of those "leaders", they hardly ever fail !!!

While the people argue over virulent minutae, they are once again helping themselves to the US Treasury.... Trillions of USDs.... LOL

kiwiklown , Mar 22 2020 10:36 utc | 132

@Jackrabbit | Mar 21 2020 23:10 utc | 54

"Caitlin Johnstone also sees the response being manipulated to focus hate on China...."

Yuppp, blaming China, hating on China achieves several objectives:

Just look at how US leadership has been hating on Russia for the last 100 years, waiting to whack them with a sneak attack if feasible.

kiwiklown , Mar 22 2020 11:25 utc | 137
@Jackrabbit | Mar 22 2020 2:45 utc | 79

".... was then told to STOP TESTING...... A medical person would not try to suppress testing. That would be a "management decision" and its the Nation Security Council that was running the show (and which had classified all discussions related to virus preparations)...."

Thanks for reminding us of Dr Chu's story. What if the US leadership:

[Mar 22, 2020] The soccer team Manchester United has opened up its hotel free of charge for medical staff, so that they can return from work to a neutral place rather than to their families and spread the bug further.

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Mina , Mar 22 2020 12:57 utc | 154

Another reason for the curves in chaotic Fr/It/Sp is a point underlined by Campbell on 19/3 about
the fact the soccer team Manchester United has opened up its hotel free of charge for medical
staff, so that they can return from work to a neutral place rather than to their families and spread
the bug further. Such measures have been applied in Asia and they should have been on the mind of
the EU gov, but apparently they were too busy thinking about their luxury holidays or their shares
in the stocks.

[Mar 22, 2020] No One Was Ready Europe's Desperate Doctors Use Trash Bags As Hazmat Suits

That's stupid solution. changing clothing more often is more effective. Clothing can be disinfected with regular stream.
Mar 22, 2020 | www.zerohedge.com
Huge jumps in COVID-19 deaths and cases have been reported in the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, and France this weekend. Hospital systems in many of these countries are running out of supplies, staff, hospital beds, and ICU-level treatments.

The shortage of protective gear for medical staff at many European hospitals has forced some to tape trash bags to their bodies as makeshift biohazard suits.

Nurses in England Wearing Trash Bags to Protect from COVID-19

Bloomberg interviewed Samantha Gonzalez,52, who works at the Txagorritxu hospital in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Alava, Spain. She warned: "This is not the first world anymore -- it's a war" amid surging virus cases in the country.

Across Europe on Saturday, deaths accorded to the fast-spreading virus soared, with Italy reporting a record 793 deaths on Friday, and Spain reporting another 300 cases, bringing their totals to 4,825 and 1,326.

The UK also reported another string of deaths, as millions await a lockdown order on London , while hospitals and intensive care units in Italy and Spain are struggling to cope, despite some Madrid hotels being temporarily converted and of the Fair of Madrid, the capital's main exhibition space.

One of the leading hospitals in Bergamo, northern Italy, the current epicenter of the virus outbreak in Europe, has run out of hospital beds, and ICU-level treatment, as an influx in patients, has overwhelmed the facility . The sick are being transferred to offsite locations, equipped with oxygen machines.

From Italy to Spain to other regions in Europe, hospital systems are at full capacity, canceling non-urgent surgeries, and appointments to handle the influx of virus patients. In a couple of weeks, countrywide shutdowns like what's happening in Italy could be the norm across many European countries.

Giovanni Rezza, head of the infectious diseases department at Rome's Superior Health Institute, said, "Italy wasn't completely prepared for the coronavirus:"

"It's only in some two weeks that Italy will find out whether the government's nationwide lockdown and social distancing rules have had an impact," said Rezza.

"The lockdown is only delaying the spread of the epidemic, we expect that there will be new outbreaks in future. But in the meantime we have to equip hospitals with more intensive care beds, even in Lombardy which is one of the best-equipped regions in Europe."

The biggest challenge for European hospital systems is having enough protective gear for medical staff.

In Spain, 3,500 Spanish doctors have contracted the virus, which is 12% of the total number of cases detected. With the lack of gear, doctors and nurses are more susceptible to contracting the virus, which could cause medical staff shortages that would undoubtedly lead to high mortality rates.

COVID-19 Map

"Just in the nephrology department, three out of 13 colleagues have fallen ill, one of them seriously," said Giuseppe Remuzzi, a former head of the department of medicine at the Papa Giovanni XXIII hospital in Bergamo, Italy, who has joined efforts to contain the pandemic. "This is a scary, terrible situation."

Medical staff have been instructed to swap out old protective gear every four hours, which includes changing face masks, splash guard googles, and biohazard suits. Since supplies are limited, doctors and nurses are making their own bio hazmat suits with taping garbage bags on their body.

"This thing blew up on us," said Pelayo Pedrero, the head of labor risk prevention at doctors' union AMYTS in Madrid, Spain. "No one was ready for this. They didn't buy the supplies, they didn't prepare the hospitals to receive and treat all these patients. Not just in Madrid or Spain, but all over Europe."

To sum up, the evolution of the virus crisis is that medical gear shortages could lead to labor shortages at hospitals across Europe because medical staff aren't adequately protected against the virus. Europe has become the new China. And in the weeks ahead, parts of the US could transform into Italy .

[Mar 22, 2020] In 1918, anyone at the emergency hospital in Boston who had contact with patients had to wear an improvised face mask.

Mar 22, 2020 | medium.com

Face Masks Coronavirus and Flu

Surgical masks are currently in short supply in China and elsewhere. They were worn 100 years ago, during the great pandemic, to try and stop the influenza virus spreading. While surgical masks may offer some protection from infection they do not seal around the face. So they don't filter out small airborne particles. In 1918, anyone at the emergency hospital in Boston who had contact with patients had to wear an improvised face mask. This comprised five layers of gauze fitted to a wire frame which covered the nose and mouth. The frame was shaped to fit the face of the wearer and prevent the gauze filter touching the mouth and nostrils. The masks were replaced every two hours; properly sterilized and with fresh gauze put on. They were a forerunner of the N95 respirators in use in hospitals today to protect medical staff against airborne infection.

... ... ...

Putting infected patients out in the sun may have helped because it inactivates the influenza virus.[7] It also kills bacteria that cause lung and other infections in hospitals.[8] During the First World War, military surgeons routinely used sunlight to heal infected wounds.[9] They knew it was a disinfectant. What they didn't know is that one advantage of placing patients outside in the sun is they can synthesise vitamin D in their skin if sunlight is strong enough. This was not discovered until the 1920s. Low vitamin D levels are now linked to respiratory infections and may increase susceptibility to influenza.[10] Also, our body's biological rhythms appear to influence how we resist infections.[11] New research suggests they can alter our inflammatory response to the flu virus.[12] As with vitamin D, at the time of the 1918 pandemic, the important part played by sunlight in synchronizing these rhythms was not known.

[Mar 22, 2020] Coronavirus and the Sun a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic by Richard Hobday

Notable quotes:
"... The masks were replaced every two hours; properly sterilized and with fresh gauze put on. They were a forerunner of the N95 respirators in use in hospitals today to protect medical staff against airborne infection. ..."
Mar 10, 2020 | medium.com

Fresh air, sunlight and improvised face masks seemed to work a century ago; and they might help us now.

by Richard Hobday

When new, virulent diseases emerge, such SARS and Covid-19, the race begins to find new vaccines and treatments for those affected. As the current crisis unfolds, governments are enforcing quarantine and isolation, and public gatherings are being discouraged. Health officials took the same approach 100 years ago, when influenza was spreading around the world. The results were mixed. But records from the 1918 pandemic suggest one technique for dealing with influenza -- little-known today -- was effective. Some hard-won experience from the greatest pandemic in recorded history could help us in the weeks and months ahead.

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Influenza patients getting sunlight at the Camp Brooks emergency open-air hospital in Boston. Medical staff were not supposed to remove their masks. (National Archives)

Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

`Open-Air' Treatment in 1918

During the great pandemic, two of the worst places to be were military barracks and troop-ships. Overcrowding and bad ventilation put soldiers and sailors at high risk of catching influenza and the other infections that often followed it.[2,3] As with the current Covid-19 outbreak, most of the victims of so-called `Spanish flu' did not die from influenza: they died of pneumonia and other complications.

When the influenza pandemic reached the East coast of the United States in 1918, the city of Boston was particularly badly hit. So the State Guard set up an emergency hospital. They took in the worst cases among sailors on ships in Boston harbour. The hospital's medical officer had noticed the most seriously ill sailors had been in badly-ventilated spaces. So he gave them as much fresh air as possible by putting them in tents. And in good weather they were taken out of their tents and put in the sun. At this time, it was common practice to put sick soldiers outdoors. Open-air therapy, as it was known, was widely used on casualties from the Western Front. And it became the treatment of choice for another common and often deadly respiratory infection of the time; tuberculosis. Patients were put outside in their beds to breathe fresh outdoor air. Or they were nursed in cross-ventilated wards with the windows open day and night. The open-air regimen remained popular until antibiotics replaced it in the 1950s.

Doctors who had first-hand experience of open-air therapy at the hospital in Boston were convinced the regimen was effective. It was adopted elsewhere. If one report is correct, it reduced deaths among hospital patients from 40 per cent to about 13 per cent.[4] According to the Surgeon General of the Massachusetts State Guard:

`The efficacy of open air treatment has been absolutely proven, and one has only to try it to discover its value.'

Fresh Air is a Disinfectant

Patients treated outdoors were less likely to be exposed to the infectious germs that are often present in conventional hospital wards. They were breathing clean air in what must have been a largely sterile environment. We know this because, in the 1960s, Ministry of Defence scientists proved that fresh air is a natural disinfectant.[5] Something in it, which they called the Open Air Factor, is far more harmful to airborne bacteria -- and the influenza virus -- than indoor air. They couldn't identify exactly what the Open Air Factor is. But they found it was effective both at night and during the daytime.

Their research also revealed that the Open Air Factor's disinfecting powers can be preserved in enclosures -- if ventilation rates are kept high enough. Significantly, the rates they identified are the same ones that cross-ventilated hospital wards, with high ceilings and big windows, were designed for.[6] But by the time the scientists made their discoveries, antibiotic therapy had replaced open-air treatment. Since then the germicidal effects of fresh air have not featured in infection control, or hospital design. Yet harmful bacteria have become increasingly resistant to antibiotics.

Sunlight and Influenza Infection

Putting infected patients out in the sun may have helped because it inactivates the influenza virus.[7] It also kills bacteria that cause lung and other infections in hospitals.[8] During the First World War, military surgeons routinely used sunlight to heal infected wounds.[9] They knew it was a disinfectant. What they didn't know is that one advantage of placing patients outside in the sun is they can synthesise vitamin D in their skin if sunlight is strong enough. This was not discovered until the 1920s. Low vitamin D levels are now linked to respiratory infections and may increase susceptibility to influenza.[10] Also, our body's biological rhythms appear to influence how we resist infections.[11] New research suggests they can alter our inflammatory response to the flu virus.[12] As with vitamin D, at the time of the 1918 pandemic, the important part played by sunlight in synchronizing these rhythms was not known.

Face Masks Coronavirus and Flu

Surgical masks are currently in short supply in China and elsewhere. They were worn 100 years ago, during the great pandemic, to try and stop the influenza virus spreading.

While surgical masks may offer some protection from infection they do not seal around the face. So they don't filter out small airborne particles.

In 1918, anyone at the emergency hospital in Boston who had contact with patients had to wear an improvised face mask. This comprised five layers of gauze fitted to a wire frame which covered the nose and mouth. The frame was shaped to fit the face of the wearer and prevent the gauze filter touching the mouth and nostrils.

The masks were replaced every two hours; properly sterilized and with fresh gauze put on. They were a forerunner of the N95 respirators in use in hospitals today to protect medical staff against airborne infection.

Temporary Hospitals

Staff at the hospital kept up high standards of personal and environmental hygiene. No doubt this played a big part in the relatively low rates of infection and deaths reported there. The speed with which their hospital and other temporary open-air facilities were erected to cope with the surge in pneumonia patients was another factor. Today, many countries are not prepared for a severe influenza pandemic.[13] Their health services will be overwhelmed if there is one. Vaccines and antiviral drugs might help. Antibiotics may be effective for pneumonia and other complications. But much of the world's population will not have access to them. If another 1918 comes, or the Covid-19 crisis gets worse, history suggests it might be prudent to have tents and pre-fabricated wards ready to deal with large numbers of seriously ill cases. Plenty of fresh air and a little sunlight might help too.

Dr. Richard Hobday is an independent researcher working in the fields of infection control, public health and building design. He is the author of `The Healing Sun'.

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[Mar 22, 2020] It seems that chloroquine and its use as a 'potent inhibitor of the coronavirus infection' has been known for a long time - since August 2005

Mar 22, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

alaric , Mar 22 2020 3:26 utc | 84

I see nothing wrong with testing Hyrodroxychloroquine together with azithromycin as long as its done safely and ethically to gain additional data. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

A lot of people are going to reject it just because it came from Trump's mouth. Drug companies will fight against it because they'd rather sell more expensive drugs.

Anti malaria drugs are part of the primary or secondary treatment recommendations in China and Korea. I'm pretty sure they were used in Japan as well so the first half of it (hydroxychloroquine) seems pretty legit though maybe not effective enough. Lets see what happens. I'd agree we lack sufficient data to make an adequate evaluation. Hydroxychloroquine is also being used with other things in trials. We'll see what happens there too.

** A dutch professor has announced an aerosol version of i believe hydroxycholoquine but it might just be chloroquine that is able to penetrate the lungs they claim. They also claim it can be manufactured immediately.

https://www.rtvnoord.nl/nieuws/220259/RUG-onderzoekt-effect-malariamedicijn-op-corona


ted01 , Mar 22 2020 4:03 utc | 87

It seems that chloroquine and its use as a 'potent inhibitor of the coronavirus infection' has been known for a long time - since August 2005.

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

No money for big pharma therefore no interest.
They would rather let people die.

alaric , Mar 22 2020 4:19 utc | 88
We should all certainly be skeptical of such a small study (HCQ and azithromycin) but do keep in mind that you really can't trust industry and their legion of paid doctors and experts either.

For example:

The CEO of Ericsson once said "CDMA will never work." Maybe that was because Ericsson didn't have it working for cellular systems at the time. I worked in the cell phone industry as an analyst for some time. People say anything to sell their stuff. I'm sure pharma is equally bad.

Peter AU1 , Mar 22 2020 4:35 utc | 92
ted01 "No money for big pharma therefore no interest. They would rather let people die."

That is about it. A dirt cheap generic drug can't possibly be any good. A pity so many here prefer to believe big pharma rather than the frontline doctors using it.

Peter AU1 , Mar 22 2020 5:02 utc | 94
Chinese doctors Chloroquine or Chloroquine Phosphate - Formula C18H26ClN3
Trump Hydroxychloroquine - Formula C18H26ClN3O

Two different chemicals but I take it their mode of action is similar.

Hydroxychloroquine

"The wholesale cost in the developing world is about US$4.65 per month as of 2015, when used for rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.[7] In the United States the wholesale cost of a month of treatment is about US$25 as of 2020" (wikipedia)

Chloroquine Phosphate

"The wholesale cost in the developing world is about US$0.04.[9] In the United States, it costs about US$5.30 per dose." (wikipedia)

Easy to see why Trump and big phama don't like Chloroquine.

Richard Steven Hack , Mar 22 2020 8:55 utc | 112
Link to a review of available evidence for chloroquine treatments cited:

A systematic review on the efficacy and safety of chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0883944120303907?via%3Dihub

Click the PDF link at the top of the page. 5 Pages.

Peter AU1 , Mar 22 2020 9:36 utc | 117
This from link @ Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2020 8:55 utc | 114

"chloroquine was highly effective in reducing viral replication, with an Effective Concentration (EC)90 of 6.90 μM that can be easily achievable with standard dosing, due to its favourable penetration in tissues, including in the lung"

Veritas X- , Mar 22 2020 9:41 utc | 119
re: Jackrabbit | Mar 22 2020 6:46 utc @ 106

You may find the following, interesting:

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Brasco_Aad
@Brasco_Aad
Israeli Pharmaceutical Company Teva to send 10 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to the United states, free of charge. | The Times of Israel
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@Brasco_Aad
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Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis to donate 130 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to the United States.

50 million doses now and another 80 million doses by the end of may.

Enough to treat millions of Americas who have been infected with COVID-19 | Reuters
12:09 AM · Mar 21, 2020
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1241139799077117952
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I don't have the time nor need to try to do any 'confirmation'.
Regards X- in Sweden

Peter AU1 , Mar 22 2020 9:57 utc | 122
Chloroquine I have noticed is also called chloroquine phosphate. Phosphate I believe is the binder that holds the chloroquine powder in tablet form. According to the paper linked by RSH @114 there is 300mg of chloroquine in a 500mg chloroquine phosphate tablet.

[Mar 22, 2020] A pretty good overview on the major avenues to attack nCOV/COVID-19 from a treatment perspective

Mar 22, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

c1ue , Mar 22 2020 14:05 utc | 171

Here's a pretty good overview on the major avenues to attack nCOV/COVID-19 from a treatment perspective: Ars Technica overview

In particular, this article talks about targeting different aspects of the nCOV life cycle and how these are targeted by treatments to attack nCOV:
1) Reproduction: remdesivir and others
2) [viral] protein processing: protease inhibitors such as HIV drugs
3) [viral] packaging: attack the final protein packaging of the virus such as a Hep B treatment - but very few such examples exist, of any kind
4) viral shell: plasma distilled from existing recovered victims used to prime immune system of ongoing infected. Vaccines will eventually enable this via manufacturing processes.
5) new infection capability: chloroquines. In particular

One of these targets is the drop in pH. This is the step that's targeted by chloroquine, the antimalarial drug. Chloroquine can cross membranes and so can enter the sac containing the virus. Once there, it can neutralize the pH.

That's significant, because many proteases are only active at lower pH. If the pH inside the sac doesn't change, it's possible that the coronavirus spike protein won't be cut and thus won't be activated. This appears to be the case in cultured cells infected by the virus, and there are anecdotal case reports of chloroquine helping COVID-19 patients.


It is also clear - from this description - why evolutionary pressures could create defenses against this type of attack (chloroquine pH change)

Again, a theoretical operation, even the clinical test tube trials, doesn't equate to effective therapy.
However, IMO, the cost and risk factor for chloroquines makes for a far better gambit than anything else at this moment in time. And note that because of the way chloroquines are supposed to affect nCOV - if chloroquines work, they have to be taken when symptoms first appear or potentially even as a preventative.
I would discourage the preventative use though - that will likely accelerate the nCOV evolution around the chloroquine pH attack.

Another reason: it appears the US only has 160,000 ventilators available Johns Hopkins estimate
of which a bit under 30K are being used for neonatal/pediatric care.
Yow.

Walter , Mar 22 2020 14:15 utc | 174

hydroxycloroquine overdose, the boffins say, can destroy the retina of the eyes.

Not a trivial side effect. Nothing to play with. Fer what it worth, better read up on the drug and pay attention. Eyes are nice to have.

Overdose of Q is Bad.

Wally read 60 years ago in Rome newspaper story that British air-line pilots, who drank their Gin an' Tonics, had been discovered to have very poor glare recovery. That, they said, was from the quinine in the tonic water. Henceforth, they were forbidden the tonic water, alas!

But Wally never drives at night and his airplane days ended back in the mists...

He's saving the quinine he's got, for now.

[Mar 22, 2020] Opinion - A Tale of Two Foreign Policies The Train-Wreck Abroad Is Bipartisan by Philip Giraldi

Notable quotes:
"... It is widely believed that the abrupt withdrawal of candidates Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg on the eve of Super Tuesday that targeted Sanders was arranged through an intervention by ex-President Barack Obama who made a plea in support of "party unity," offering the two a significant quid pro quo down the road if they were willing to leave the race and throw their support to Biden, which they dutifully did ..."
"... Trump might be described as both paranoid and narcissistic, meaning that he sees himself as surrounded by enemies and that the enemies are out to get him personally. When he is criticized, he either ridicules the source or does something impulsive to deflect what is being said. He attacked Syria twice based on false claims about the use of chemical weapons when a consensus developed in the media and in congress that he was being "weak" in the Middle East. Those attacks were war crimes as Syria was not threatening the United States. ..."
"... Biden is on a different track in that he is an establishment hawk. As head of the Senate Foreign Affairs committee back in 2002-2003 he green lighted George W. Bush's plan to attack Iraq. Beyond that, he cheer-leaded the effort from the Democratic Party benches, helping to create a consensus both in Washington and in the media that Saddam Hussein was a threat that had to be dealt with. He should have known better as he was privy to intelligence that was suggesting that the Iraqis were no threat at all. He did not moderate his tune on Iraq until after 2005, when the expected slam-dunk quick victory got very messy. ..."
"... Biden was also certainly privy to the decision making by President Barack Obama, which include the destruction of Libya and the killing of American citizens by drone. Whether he actively supported those policies is unknown, but he has never been challenged on them. What is clear is that he did not object to them, another sign of his willingness to go along with the establishment, a tendency which will undoubtedly continue if he is elected president. ..."
Mar 22, 2020 | www.informationclearinghouse.info

Now that the Democratic Party has apparently succeeded in getting rid of the only two voices among its presidential candidates that actually deviated from the establishment consensus, it appears that Joe Biden will be running against Donald Trump in November. To be sure, Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard are still hanging on, but the fix was in and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) made sure that Sanders would be given the death blow on Super Tuesday while Gabbard would be blocked from participating in any of the late term debates.

It is widely believed that the abrupt withdrawal of candidates Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg on the eve of Super Tuesday that targeted Sanders was arranged through an intervention by ex-President Barack Obama who made a plea in support of "party unity," offering the two a significant quid pro quo down the road if they were willing to leave the race and throw their support to Biden, which they dutifully did. Rumor has it that Klobuchar might well wind up as Biden's vice president. An alternative tale is that it was a much more threatening "offer that couldn't be refused" coming from the Clintons.

... ... ...

Both Trump and Biden might reasonably described as Zionists, Trump by virtue of the made-in-Israel foreign policy positions he has delivered on since his election, and Biden by word and deed during his entire time in politics. When Biden encountered Sarah Palin in 2008 in the vice-presidential debate, he and Palin sought to outdo each other in enthusing over how much they love the Jewish state. Biden has said that "I am a Zionist. You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist" and also, ridiculously, "Were there not an Israel, the U.S. would have to invent one. We will never abandon Israel -- out of our own self-interest. [It] is the best $3 billion investment we make." Biden has been a regular feature speaker at the annual AIPAC summit in Washington.

Trump might be described as both paranoid and narcissistic, meaning that he sees himself as surrounded by enemies and that the enemies are out to get him personally. When he is criticized, he either ridicules the source or does something impulsive to deflect what is being said. He attacked Syria twice based on false claims about the use of chemical weapons when a consensus developed in the media and in congress that he was being "weak" in the Middle East. Those attacks were war crimes as Syria was not threatening the United States.

Trump similarly reversed himself on withdrawing from Syria when he ran into criticism of the move and his plan to extricate the United States from Afghanistan, if it develops at all, could easily be subjected to similar revision. Trump is not really the man who as a candidate indicated that he was seriously looking for a way out of America's endless and pointless wars, no matter what his supporters continue to assert.

Biden is on a different track in that he is an establishment hawk. As head of the Senate Foreign Affairs committee back in 2002-2003 he green lighted George W. Bush's plan to attack Iraq. Beyond that, he cheer-leaded the effort from the Democratic Party benches, helping to create a consensus both in Washington and in the media that Saddam Hussein was a threat that had to be dealt with. He should have known better as he was privy to intelligence that was suggesting that the Iraqis were no threat at all. He did not moderate his tune on Iraq until after 2005, when the expected slam-dunk quick victory got very messy.

Biden was also certainly privy to the decision making by President Barack Obama, which include the destruction of Libya and the killing of American citizens by drone. Whether he actively supported those policies is unknown, but he has never been challenged on them. What is clear is that he did not object to them, another sign of his willingness to go along with the establishment, a tendency which will undoubtedly continue if he is elected president.

And Biden's foreign policy reminiscences are is subject to what appear to be memory losses or inability to articulate, illustrated by a whole series of faux pas during the campaign. He has a number of times told a tale of his heroism in Afghanistan that is complete fiction , similar to Hillary Clinton's lying claims of courage under fire in Bosnia.

So, we have a president in place who takes foreign policy personally in that his first thoughts are "how does it make me look?" and a prospective challenger who appears to be suffering from initial stages of dementia and who has always been relied upon to support the establishment line, whatever it might be. Though Trump is the more dangerous of the two as he is both unpredictable and irrational, the likelihood is that Biden will be guided by the Clintons and Obamas. To put it another way, no matter who is president the likelihood that the United States will change direction to get away from its interventionism and bullying on a global scale is virtually nonexistent. At least until the money runs out. Or to express it as a friend of mine does, "No matter who is elected we Americans wind up getting John McCain." Goodnight America!

Philip Giraldi Ph.D., Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest. A former CIA Case Officer and Army Intelligence Officer who spent twenty years overseas in Europe and the Middle East working terrorism cases. He holds a BA with honors from the University of Chicago and an MA and PhD in Modern History from the University of London. " Source "

[Mar 22, 2020] Mask piracy among neoliberal nations: Wonderful show of world-wide solidarity

Highly recommended!
Notable quotes:
"... 1) Pompeo and Grenell reportedly arguing that coronavirus has created window of opportunity for a direct strike on a weak and divided Iran. ..."
"... Deputy Health Minister Alireza Raisian has criticized the #UK for not delivering millions of masks #Iran bought in preparations ahead of #Covid19 outbreak. The London govt. refused to deliver them citing US sanctions! Note that Germany took supplies meant for Switzerland, The US via the Italian Mafia (I suppose) gets masks from Bergamo. etc. ..."
Mar 21, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Stonebird , Mar 21 2020 21:25 utc | 31

I just think that the US "Intelligence" and most of the US Administration just haven't got it. I suppose when you are waiting for the "rapture" anything that can add to the chaos is to be included.

1) Pompeo and Grenell reportedly arguing that coronavirus has created window of opportunity for a direct strike on a weak and divided Iran. They were arguing about the severity of the strike.

2) Deputy Health Minister Alireza Raisian has criticized the #UK for not delivering millions of masks #Iran bought in preparations ahead of #Covid19 outbreak. The London govt. refused to deliver them citing US sanctions! Note that Germany took supplies meant for Switzerland, The US via the Italian Mafia (I suppose) gets masks from Bergamo. etc. Wonderful show of world-wide solidarity.

Pompeo should hold his "rapture" in his hot little hand and .....

[Mar 22, 2020] What if they never come back? One can hope

Mar 22, 2020 | www.counterpunch.org

+ The Senate won't take up House coronavirus bill until after its recess. "The Senate will act when we come back and we have a clearer idea of what extra steps we need to take," Sen. Lamar Alexander told reporters What if they never come back? One can hope

+ I guess Mitch McConnell, who vowed to kill the House Coronavirus bill, was serious when he called himself The Grim Reaper .

[Mar 22, 2020] CIA on Twitter Looking for kid-friendly activities while #workingfromhome Our #SpyKids page has games, CIA K9 'Spy Dog' trad

Mar 22, 2020 | twitter.com

CIA ‏ 10:20 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Looking for kid-friendly activities while # workingfromhome ?

Our # SpyKids page has games, CIA K9 'Spy Dog' trading cards, and kid-friendly videos to explore:

https://www. cia.gov/kids-page/ # WereInThisTogether

Raul Seixas - O Dia em que a Terra Parou ‏ 10:56 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Is there a torture techniques simulator?

Mike ‏ 11:05 AM - 20 Mar 2020

How to skirt the Geneva Convention using black sites and contractors, page 16.

Carl ‏ 10:23 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Hey, @ PeteButtigieg , found some fun games for you.

Shhh-Rona ‏ 11:18 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Will there be a pulling fingernails off of children handout or do I have to go to School of Americas for that?

John Ewen ‏ 11:01 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Not forgetting the old classic playground game "Regime Change War for Oil." Aaah, back when I was a wee young neoliberal child warmonger. Those were the days. pic.twitter.com/BUcF8gjU9e

BrainBytes ‏ 10:55 AM - 20 Mar 2020

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Christian Breiding ‏ 11:16 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Black Sites R Fun!™

Mel Santos ‏ 11:45 AM - 20 Mar 2020

Is there a "Waterboarding for Tots" simulator? My 4 year old appears to be the next generation of American Imperialism but I can't be sure yet.

[Mar 22, 2020] Imperial trooper disguised as an anti-war activist: Wow, somehow she backs a warmonger and Jimmy doesn't call her a sociopath. t

From comments: "Tulsi in a nutshell. My mission is to stop these regime change wars that's why I support war criminal Joe Biden. "
Mar 22, 2020 | www.youtube.com

Could barely finish it.

Like watching a hostage video where both the questioner and subject are being held hostage - one to his heart, the other to the DNC.

Maybe I missed it, but did Jimmy ever get around to asking about the timing and why Tusli felt the need to endorse Biden right away?

Also was she threatened or coerced in any way? Because earlier in the vid she certainly implies there was no way she could fight the DNC's version of City Hall.


Daniel Valle Duarte , 43 minutes ago

How I can fight for the guy who fights for nothing but his lobbyists? -- Tulsi Gabbard

Lord Brett Sinclair , 4 hours ago

Jimmy is gutted , he is almost embarrassed to ask the question about Biden .

Augustus Johnston , 2 hours ago

The primary is still going, and however unlikely it is that Bernie wins, he still has a chance. No excuse for this.

MultiAFroDuck , 3 hours ago

she wants to fight for things she's been fighting for so long, by endorsing biden? wtf tulsi!

citris1 , 4 hours ago

When Tulsi endorsed Biden by saying he is a fine man and will make a good President she has discredited herself by showing us that she is either dishonest or has very poor judgement.

Johannes Bekker , 2 hours ago

She wants to end war and she's in the military... okay.

Pooyan Matin , 3 hours ago

She said Biden has a good heart, so we now learn that war mongers are kind people !!!! WTF

peanutgallery01 , 3 hours ago

Endorsing a war monger speaks volumes of her true position. She could have opted out!

M Moxam , 2 hours ago

Tulsi says she's proud to serve her country yet she admits that regime change wars and invading people's countries under fabricated pretext isn't serving the country. She's not making a whole lot of sense.

alexander e. fennon , 3 hours ago

Sshe says: "Now is not the time for playing politics", "not the time for half measures." & right she is, I think. What a pity she is doing just that. It is revealing ... but very disappointing.

Joseph // , 3 hours ago

I understand her dropping out, she has other roles to fulfil. I can't understand her endorsing Biden, rendering everything she stands for null and void. The corporate Dems will never adjust their policies to win votes if progressives and free clear thinkers just fall in line regardless.

SOTC , 3 hours ago (edited)

While she's at it she should endorse Hillary Clinton too.

Zach James , 1 hour ago

Wow, somehow she backs a warmonger and Jimmy doesn't call her a "sociopath."

Jay Bird , 2 hours ago

Tulsi: Wars gotta end. Also Tulsi: endorses Biden.

jrh11254 , 3 hours ago

Yeah, Tulsi, I see Biden putting a stop to all the regime-change wars. Time for you to go back to doing AIPAC's bidding. Wondering now what they have on you.

Gina Griffiths , 4 hours ago

Tulsi in a nutshell. My mission is to stop these regime change wars that's why I support war criminal Joe Biden.

David McCauley , 3 hours ago

Lie with dogs, get fleas.

Maverick D. , 2 hours ago

I couldnt bear to watch the whole interview. She was never the person we thought she was; the end...

Renewed RS , 2 hours ago

I've seen this coming for months, I didn't understand how Jimmy and his YouTube fans were so sure she was the one. Why are we shocked?

Master Lee , 3 hours ago

I trusted you Tulsi. I spent hours fighting groups for you. This hurts. I'm out of the Democratic party. I seriously can't handle this. My heart my stomach hurts

Kay Paden , 2 hours ago

I wish Jimmy would've pushed back on her statement that the voters have chosen. She's ignoring the coordinated effort of the establishment and she's ignoring the primary is not over.

Tannor Reynolds , 2 hours ago

It's nice to see Tulsi has realigned with the establishment while still calling it out. Textbook hypocrisy.

Eric Kelley , 3 hours ago

Tulsi: I am against the regime change wars, that's why I'm re-enlisting for another four years.

Ouu Baaa , 1 hour ago

Andrew Yang just admitted that he endorsed Biden cause he got offered a position in his cabinet should Biden become president. Tulsi of course would never do that XD .

Nicolas Cooper , 2 hours ago

Meryl Streep should give Tulsi an award for Best Actress.

S Tristan , 3 hours ago

Blah, blah, blah. Tulsi has sold out her followers, her honour and her soul. She's just another empty suit now.

Max Meggeneder , 2 hours ago

"Motivated by love.." wtf? Murdering is love?

Bay Work , 4 hours ago

Jimmy Dore - Tulsi is your another vanilla politician. Thank you for this session with her today, it helped clear up the air about her for many of us. She is just another opportunist.

Joanna Hampton , 3 hours ago

As soon as her term is over it will be "who's Tulsi?"

Samuel Henton , 2 hours ago

Such horrible insincerity and lying from Toolsi. Endorsing biden who is to the RIGHT of trump. Pathetic

Poblachtach Éireannach , 2 hours ago

Tulsi brought up global warming, what about the carbon footprints of Biden's foreign wars?

Barry Eden , 2 hours ago

Much luv Tulsi but the United States of israhell is so corrupt and perverted its just sad

Jesse B , 2 hours ago

Nice to finally see what she really is: a Lying dog-faced pony soldier.

depolarize , 4 hours ago

We didn't decide on Joe Biden. Tulsi didn't decide on Joe Biden. It was corruption who decided on Joe Biden.

Miki H. , 2 hours ago

Class warfare at its finest. She is with you as long as its convenient for her. Bourgeoisie democracy is a farce.

W_Sindarius , 3 hours ago

Well, at least I do not have to hear "aloha" for a while. It was really getting on my nerves.

Damian Kenner , 3 hours ago

The check must of cleared

Mike Bernard , 1 hour ago

Behold as Jimmy figures out his party is comprised of the same people who run the republican party.

randy szymkowski , 2 hours ago

Sanders destroyed his credibility with me when he endorsed Hillary. Same deal here.

[Mar 22, 2020] Tulsi on Jimmy Dore show: my mission is to stop these regime change wars that's why I support war criminal Joe Biden.

Mar 22, 2020 | www.youtube.com


MiDikGon Lapitise , 23 minutes ago

Jimmy look like a boy in middle school when his girlfriend breaks up with him but she says we can still be friends

Kay Paden , 1 hour ago

Tulsi on mask shortage-"It's hard to imagine how this could be happening in America." Really? You're surprised the corrupt two-party that you insist we choose between got us here?

Ouu Baaa , 1 hour ago

Andrew Yang just admitted that he endorsed Biden cause he got offered a position in his cabinet should Biden become president. Tulsi of course would never do that XD .

Nicolas Cooper , 2 hours ago

Meryl Streep should give Tulsi an award for Best Actress.

Kim Young , 3 hours ago

And she thinks endorsing Joe is going to help climate change?

Alpa Cino , 2 hours ago

What a fraud 😂

Citizen Harrison , 2 hours ago

20:13 "and that's a decision motivated by.." POVERTY. They use the poor to fight in these goddamn wars.

Wolfking Of SI , 3 hours ago (edited)

Tulsi just admit that "your party" is corrupt horse plop. You should have left and started a 3rd party.

Remy Williams , 2 hours ago

I wonder how strong the Progressive movement would've been if careerists like Gabbard and Warren stayed away and the front was unified from the beginning.

Guy Smiley , 1 hour ago

When Jimmy started his live video the day she announced supporting Biden, I said to myself "I bet anything he blames Bernie for her dropping out and supporting Biden." Low and behold, he did.

Alice Wonderland , 4 hours ago

"How and where my best. . . (interests lay). Freudian slip.

Leo Fain , 1 hour ago

First Yang and now Tulsi this is heartbreaking all of them are fake af

Armand Raynal , 3 hours ago

6:56 "which is something I always said I would do btw, that I would support the eventual democratic nominee" Am I living in a parallel dimension? The primary is not finished yet, you can still endorse Biden when it will be over if he wins the primary but endorse Bernie for the moment. Is it that hard? Ho right, I forgot, the primary is rigged and we all know that Biden the senile kid diddler and liar will be the nominee one way or another. Fucked up, but she's not helping. She probably knows she'll be kicked out of politics if she does not endorse biden and cares more about her career than doing the right thing.

Norris Hude , 1 hour ago

War is ingrained into US society, "Thankyou for your service" says it all. Heroes in America are obviously those who go to war at the behest of the zionists and the corporations.

David Richardson , 1 minute ago

"I don't play the political game" Next sentence "I'm pragmatic"

Amparo Zarza Cardoso , 25 minutes ago

Two words to Gabbard: incongruent and liar

Charles Wilson , 8 minutes ago (edited)

"The scope of the effects of this are difficult to comprehend at this time..." This is truly amazing that someone in the government has the audacity to blame a virus for people's inability to "make rent" when it was them that created the current hysteria and panic. There is a pandemic. I agree. But so far counting all of the cases that we know about, it is no where even close to the season flue that we see every year! And the government is shutting down businesses! It is a shame that they are using the current situation to further the idea that people are dependent on the government to survive! How far we as a nation and a people have fallen from the ideals that created this nation in the first place! I am disgusted!

Eric Zvonchenko , 2 hours ago

Biden is not the Democratic nominee. She is supporting Biden over Sanders not Biden over trump.

Hermann G Lippe , 2 hours ago

Like Bernie, Tulsi is just another TWO FACED Globalist Presstitute. Tulsi says her platform is to stop regime change and bring are troops home! Why does she then endorse Biden who supports regime change and keeping troops in the middle east? Tulsi says she does this to defeat Trump but Trump campaigned to stop regime change and bring are troops home!

[Mar 22, 2020] Liberal NPCs Hate Russia, Conservative NPCs Hate China

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Jackrabbit , Mar 21 2020 23:10 utc | 54

Caitlin Johnstone also sees the response being manipulated to focus hate on China: Liberal NPCs Hate Russia, Conservative NPCs Hate China

But she sees this China-bashing as mostly a political reaction:

In reality these people are rallying behind the campaign to blame China for the health crisis they're now facing because they understand that otherwise the blame will land squarely on the shoulders of their president, who's running for re-election this year.
instead of a deliberate Deep-State strategy (which is my view).

We can argue who created the virus (I'm still looking for any rebuttal to the Chinese claim that USA must be the source because it has all five strains of the virus), but the Empire's gaming of the virus outbreak seems very clear to me.

!!

[Mar 22, 2020] Medics leave Wuhan after supporting the coronavirus-hit city

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JC , Mar 21 2020 22:04 utc | 41

ben | Mar 21 2020 20:49 utc | 19

Best watch CGTN....

Live: Medics leave Wuhan after supporting the coronavirus-hit city

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-21/Live-Medics-leave-Wuhan-after-supporting-the-coronavirus-hit-city-P2dA7TKQr6/index.html

Last night watched CGTN TV with Huawei Honor smartphone.

"....team from SW China's Sichuan Province leaves Wuhan today...brings you this bittersweet goodbye."
- Worked 8-12hrs shift.... 100 plus medical workers, 57 days ago leaving spouse, children and parents behinds
- Initially none or limited N95 masks - wore double for protection..
- In capitalist USA.... Fxxk the company or country, Strike, protests...
- 16 makeshift hospitals disbanded but two 16,000 beds still in operations.

[Mar 22, 2020] Equivalent respirator standards by country

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Peter AU1 , Mar 21 2020 22:18 utc | 44

Equivalent respirator standards by country
. N95 (United States NIOSH-42CFR84)
• FFP2 (Europe EN 149-2001)
• KN95 (China GB2626-2006)
• P2 (Australia/New Zealand AS/NZA 1716:2012)
• Korea 1st class (Korea KMOEL - 2017-64)
• DS (Japan JMHLW-Notification 214, 2018)

I just received an email from a contact in China offering to help get FFP2 respirators if I needed or wanted any. She said KN95 were virtually non existent in China but there are limited supplies of the FFP2 respirators.

TJ , Mar 21 2020 22:29 utc | 47

@44 Peter AU1

If you or anyone else is interested in masks / respirators I would recommend watching the videos by weaponsandstuff93 on YouTube. I am no expert on the subject but on his recommendation I got myself a mask that takes 40mm NATO filters ( the mask is a Belgium BEM4 ) and some P3 level filters ( mine are Scott Pros ) this is different to 40MM GOST filters which were the Soviet standard.

[Mar 22, 2020] Make your own face masks?

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Ian2 , Mar 21 2020 21:04 utc | 26

Make your own face masks? Pfff...it appears the Japanese found a better idea from the Philippines government... panties . OR, you could order a custom one from Pantsu Mask . ROFL

[Mar 22, 2020] WTO stance on Covid-19 propaganda and manipulation

Returning to the Covid-19 epidemic and the way governments are reacting to it, Thierry Meyssan stresses that the authoritarian decisions of Italy and France have no medical justification. They contradict the observations of the best infectiologists and the instructions of the World Health Organization.
Mar 22, 2020 | www.voltairenet.org

In all of its messages, the WHO stressed : the low demographic impact of the epidemic; the futility of border closures; the ineffectiveness of wearing gloves, masks (except for health care workers) and certain "barrier measures" (for example, the distance of one metre only makes sense with infected people, but not with healthy people); the need to raise the level of hygiene, including hand washing, water disinfection and increased ventilation of confined spaces. Finally, use disposable tissues or, failing that, sneeze into your elbow.

However, the WHO is not a medical organization, but a United Nations agency dealing with health issues. Its officials, even if they are doctors, are also and above all politicians. It cannot therefore denounce the abuses of certain states. Furthermore, since the controversy over the H1N1 epidemic, the WHO must publicly justify all its recommendations. In 2009, it was accused of having let itself be swayed by the interests of big pharmaceutical companies and of having hastily sounded the alarm in a disproportionate manner [ 4 ]. This time it used the word "pandemic" only as a last resort, on March 12th, four months later.

[Mar 21, 2020] When reading any article concerning current events (ie. Ukraine, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, or Coronavirus) consider how the The Seven Principles of Propaganda may apply

Highly recommended!
Mar 22, 2020 | https://www.moonofalabama.org

Dick | Mar 22 2020 0:48 utc | 66

When reading any article concerning current events (ie. Ukraine, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, or Coronavirus) consider how the The Seven Principles of Propaganda may apply. (repost):

  1. Avoid abstract ideas - appeal to the emotions. When we think emotionally, we are more prone to be irrational and less critical in our thinking. I can remember several instances where this has been employed by the US to prepare the public with a justification of their actions. Here are four examples:

    The Invasion of Grenada during the Reagan administration was said to be necessary to rescue American students being held hostage by Grenadian coup authorities after a coup that overthrew the government. I had a friend in the 82nd airborne division that participated in the rescue. He told me the students said they were hiding in the school to avoid the fighting by the US military, and had never been threatened by any Grenadian authority and were only hiding in the school to avoid all the fighting. Film of the actual rescue broadcast on the mainstream media was taken out of context; the students were never in danger.

    The invasion of Panama in the late 80's was supposedly to capture the dictator Manual Noriega for international crimes related to drugs and weapons. I remember a headline covered by all the media where a Navy lieutenant and his wife were detained by the police. His wife was sexually assaulted while in custody, according to the story. Unfortunately, it never happened. It was intended to get the public emotionally involved to support the action.

    The invasion of Iraq in the early 90's was preceded by a speech by a girl describing the Iraqi army throwing babies out of incubators so the equipment could be transferred to Iraq. It turns out the girl was the daughter of one of the Kuwait's ruling sheiks and the event never occurred. However, it served its purpose by getting the American public involved emotionally supporting the war.

    During the build up to the bombing campaign by NATO against Libya, a woman entered a hotel where reporters were staying claiming she was raped by several police officers of the Gaddafi security services. The report was carried by most media outlets as representative of the brutality of the Gaddafi regime. I was not able to verify if this story was true or not, but it fits the usual method employed to gain public support through propaganda for military interventions.

    The greatest emotion in us is fear and fear is used extensively to make us think irrationally. I remember growing up during the cold war having the fear of nuclear war or 'The Russians are coming!' After the cold war without an obvious enemy, it was Al Qaeda even before 911, so we had 'Al Qaeda is coming!' Now we have 'ISIS is coming!' with media blasting us with terrorist fears. Whenever I hear a government promoting an emotional issue or fear mongering, I ignore them knowing there is a hidden Truth behind the issue.

  2. Constantly repeat just a few ideas. Use stereotyped phrases. This could be stated more plainly as 'Keep it simple, stupid!' The most notorious use of this technique recently was the Bush administration. Everyone can remember 'We must fight them over there rather than over here' or my favourite 'They hate us for our freedoms'. Neither of these phrases made any rational sense despite 911. The last thing Muslims in the Middle East care about is American's freedoms, maybe it was all the bombs the US was dropping on them.
  3. Give only one side of the argument and obscure history. Watching mainstream media in the US, you can see all the news is biased to the American view as an example. This is prevalent within Australian commercial media and newspapers giving only a western view, but fortunately, we have the SBS and the ABC that are very good, certainly not perfect, at providing both sides of a story. In addition, any historical perspective is ignored keeping the citizenry focused on the here and now. Can any of you remember any news organisation giving an in depth history of Ukraine or Palestine? I cannot.
  4. Demonize the enemy or pick out one special "enemy" for special vilification. This is obvious in politics where politicians continuously criticise their opponents. Of course, demonization is more productively applied to international figures or nations such as Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Gaddafi in Libya, Assad in Syria, the Taliban and just recently Vladimir Putin over the Ukraine, Crimea and Syria. It establishes a negative emotional view of either a nation (i.e. Iran) or a known figure (i.e. Putin) making us again think emotionally, rather than rationally, making it easier to promote evil acts upon a nation or a known figure. Certainly some of these groups or individuals were less than benign, but not necessarily demons as depicted in the west.
  5. Appear humanitarian in work and motivations. The US has used this technique often to validate foreign interventions or ongoing conflicts where the term 'Right to Protect' is used for justification. Everyone should remember the many stories about the abuse of women in Afghanistan or Saddam Hussein's supposed brutality toward his people. The recent attack on Syria by the US, UK, and France was depicted as an Humanitarian intervention by the UK Government, which was far from the truth. One thing that always amazes me is when the US sends humanitarian aid to a country it is accompanied by the US military. In Haiti some years back, the US sent troops with no other country doing so. The recent Ebola outbreak in Africa saw US troops sent to the area. How are troops going to fight a medical outbreak? No doubt, they are there for other reasons.

  6. Obscure one's economic interests. Who believes the invasion of Iraq was for weapons of mass destruction? Or the constant threats against Iran are for their nuclear program? Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and no one has presented firm evidence Iran intends to produce nuclear weapons. The West has been interfering in the Middle East since the British in the late 19th century. It is all about oil and the control over the resources. In fact, if one researches the cause of wars over the last hundred years, you will always find economics was a major component driving the rush to war for most of them.

  7. Monopolize the flow of information. This is the most important principle and mainly entails setting the narrative by which all subsequent events can be based upon or interpreted in such a way as to reinforce the narrative. The narrative does not need to be true; in fact, it can be anything that suits the monopoliser as long as it is based loosely on some event. It is critical to have at least majority control of media and the ability to control the message so the flow of information is consistent with the narrative. This has been played out on mainstream media concerning the Ukrainian conflict, Syrian conflict, and the Skirpal affair. Just over the last couple of years, we have all been subjected to propaganda in one form or another. Remember the US wanting to bomb Syria because of the sarin gas attack, it was later determined to be false (see Seymour Hersh 'Whose Sarin'). The shoot down of MH17 was immediately blamed on Russia by the west without any convincing proof (setting the narrative). It amazes me just how fast the story died after the initial saturation in the media. When I awoke that morning in July, I heard on the news PM Tony Abbot blaming Russia for the incident only hours afterward. How could he know Russia shot down the plane? The investigation into the incident had not even begun, so I suspect he was singing from the West's hymnbook in a standard setting the narrative scenario.

[Mar 21, 2020] The New Dark Age

Notable quotes:
"... Voltaire Network ..."
"... the Iranian population is the world's most lung-weakest. Almost all men over the age of sixty suffer from the after-effects of the US combat gases used by the Iraqi army during the First Gulf War (1980-88), as did the Germans and the French after the First World War. Any traveller to Iran has been struck by the number of serious lung ailments. ..."
"... The Diamond Princess is an Israeli-American ship, owned by Micky Arison, brother of Shari Arison, the richest woman in Israel. The Arisons are turning this incident into a public relations operation. The Trump administration and several other countries airlifted their nationals to be quarantined at home. The international press devoted its headlines to this story. Referring to the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918-1919, it asserts that the epidemic could spread throughout the world and potentially threaten the human species with extinction [ 2 ]. This apocalyptic hypothesis, not based on any facts, will nevertheless become the word of the Gospel. ..."
"... It is not known at this time whether tycoons deliberately spread panic about Covid-19, making this vulgar epidemic seem like the "end of the world". However, one distortion after another, governments have become involved. Of course, it is no longer a question of selling advertising screens by frightening people, but of dominating populations by exploiting this fear. ..."
"... Let us remember that never in history has the confinement of a healthy population been used to fight a disease. Above all, let us remember that this epidemic will have no significant consequences in terms of mortality. ..."
"... The two governments panic their populations by distributing unnecessary instructions disavowed by infectious diseases doctors: they encourage people to wear gloves and masks in all circumstances and to keep at least one metre away from any other human being. ..."
"... It is too early to say what real goal the Conte and Macron governments are pursuing. The only thing that is certain is that it is not a question of fighting Covid-19. ..."
Mar 21, 2020 | williambowles.info

Covid-19: propaganda and manipulation by Thierry Meyssan March 21, 2020 21 March 2020 -- Voltaire Network

Returning to the Covid-19 epidemic and the way governments are reacting to it, Thierry Meyssan stresses that the authoritarian decisions of Italy and France have no medical justification. They contradict the observations of the best infectiologists and the instructions of the World Health Organization.

The Chinese Prime Minister, Li Keqiang, came to lead the operations in Wuhan and restore the "celestial mandate" on January 27, 2020.

On November 17, 2019, the first case of a person infected with Covid-19 was diagnosed in Hubei Province, China. Initially, doctors tried to communicate the seriousness of the disease, but clashed with regional authorities. It was only when the number of cases increased and the population saw the seriousness of the disease that the central government intervened.

This epidemic is not statistically significant. It kills very few people, although those it does kill experience terrible respiratory distress.

Since ancient times, in Chinese culture, Heaven has given a mandate to the Emperor to govern his subjects [ 1 ]. When he withdraws it, a disaster strikes the country: epidemic, earthquake, etc. Although we are in modern times, President XI felt threatened by the mismanagement of the Hubei regional government. The Council of State therefore took matters into its own hands. It forced the population of Hubei's capital, Wuhan, to remain confined to their homes. Within days, it built hospitals; sent teams to each house to take the temperature of each inhabitant; took all potentially infected people to hospitals for testing; treated those infected with chloroquine phosphate and sent others home; and treated the critically ill with recombinant interferon Alfa 2B (IFNrec) for resuscitation. This vast operation had no public health necessity, other than to prove that the Communist Party still has the heavenly mandate.

During a press conference on Covid-19, the Iranian Deputy Minister of Health, Iraj Harirchi, appeared contaminated.

Propagation in Iran

The epidemic spreads from China to Iran in mid-February 2020. These two countries have been closely linked since ancient times. They share many common cultural elements. However, the Iranian population is the world's most lung-weakest. Almost all men over the age of sixty suffer from the after-effects of the US combat gases used by the Iraqi army during the First Gulf War (1980-88), as did the Germans and the French after the First World War. Any traveller to Iran has been struck by the number of serious lung ailments.

When air pollution in Tehran increased beyond what they could bear, schools and government offices were closed and half of the families moved to the countryside with their grandparents. This has been happening several times a year for thirty-five years and seems normal.

The government and parliament are almost exclusively composed of veterans of the Iraq-Iran war, that is, people who are extremely fragile in relation to Covid-19. So when these groups were infected, many personalities developed the disease.

In view of the US sanctions, no Western bank covers the transport of medicines. Iran found itself unable to treat the infected and care for the sick until the UAE broke the embargo and sent two planes of medical equipment.

People who would not suffer in the other country died from the first coughs due to the wounds in their lungs. As usual, the government closed schools. In addition, it deprogrammed several cultural and sporting events, but did not ban pilgrimages. Some areas have closed hotels to prevent the movement of sick people who can no longer find hospitals close to their homes.

Quarantine in Japan

On February 4, 2020, a passenger on the US cruise ship Diamond Princess was diagnosed ill from the Covid-19 and ten passengers were infected. The Japanese Minister of Health, Katsunobu Kato, then imposed a two-week quarantine on the ship in Yokohama in order to prevent the contagion from spreading to his country. In the end, out of the 3,711 people on board, the vast majority of whom are over 70 years old, there would be 7 deaths.

The Diamond Princess is an Israeli-American ship, owned by Micky Arison, brother of Shari Arison, the richest woman in Israel. The Arisons are turning this incident into a public relations operation. The Trump administration and several other countries airlifted their nationals to be quarantined at home. The international press devoted its headlines to this story. Referring to the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918-1919, it asserts that the epidemic could spread throughout the world and potentially threaten the human species with extinction [ 2 ]. This apocalyptic hypothesis, not based on any facts, will nevertheless become the word of the Gospel.

We remember that in 1898, William Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer, in order to increase the sales of their daily newspapers, published false information in order to deliberately provoke a war between the United States and the Spanish colony of Cuba. This was the beginning of "yellow journalism" (publishing anything to make money). Today it is called "fake news".

It is not known at this time whether tycoons deliberately spread panic about Covid-19, making this vulgar epidemic seem like the "end of the world". However, one distortion after another, governments have become involved. Of course, it is no longer a question of selling advertising screens by frightening people, but of dominating populations by exploiting this fear.

For the WHO Director, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, China and South Korea have set an example by generalising screening tests; a way of saying that the Italian and French methods are medical nonsense.

WHO intervention

The World Health Organization (WHO), which monitored the entire operation, noted the spread of the disease outside China. On February 11th and 12th, it organized a global forum on research and innovation on the epidemic in Geneva. At the forum, WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus called in very measured terms for global collaboration [ 3 ].

In all of its messages, the WHO stressed : the low demographic impact of the epidemic; the futility of border closures; the ineffectiveness of wearing gloves, masks (except for health care workers) and certain "barrier measures" (for example, the distance of one metre only makes sense with infected people, but not with healthy people); the need to raise the level of hygiene, including hand washing, water disinfection and increased ventilation of confined spaces. Finally, use disposable tissues or, failing that, sneeze into your elbow.

However, the WHO is not a medical organization, but a United Nations agency dealing with health issues. Its officials, even if they are doctors, are also and above all politicians. It cannot therefore denounce the abuses of certain states. Furthermore, since the controversy over the H1N1 epidemic, the WHO must publicly justify all its recommendations. In 2009, it was accused of having let itself be swayed by the interests of big pharmaceutical companies and of having hastily sounded the alarm in a disproportionate manner [ 4 ]. This time it used the word "pandemic" only as a last resort, on March 12th, four months later.

At the Franco-Italian summit in Naples on February 27, the French and Italian presidents, Giuseppe Conte and Emmanuel Macron, announced that they would react together to the pandemic.

Instrumentation in Italy and France

Modern propaganda should not be limited to the publication of false news as the United Kingdom did to convince its people to enter the First World War, but should also be used in the same way as Germany did to convince its people to fight in the Second World War. The recipe is always the same: to exert psychological pressure to induce subjects to voluntarily practice acts that they know are useless, but which will lead them to lie [ 5 ]. For example, in 2001, it was common knowledge that those accused of hijacking planes on 9/11 were not on the passenger boarding lists. Yet, in shock, most accepted without question the inane accusations made by FBI Director Robert Muller against "19 hijackers". Or, as is well known, President Hussein's Iraq had only old Soviet Scud launchers with a range of up to 700 kilometers, but many Americans caulked the windows and doors of their homes to protect themselves from the deadly gases with which the evil dictator was going to attack America. This time, in the case of the Covid-19, it is the voluntary confinement in the home that forces the person who accepts it to convince himself of the veracity of the threat.

Let us remember that never in history has the confinement of a healthy population been used to fight a disease. Above all, let us remember that this epidemic will have no significant consequences in terms of mortality.

In Italy, the first step was to isolate the contaminated regions according to the principle of quarantine, and then to isolate all citizens from each other, which follows a different logic.

According to the President of the Italian Council, Giuseppe Conte, and the French President, Emmanuel Macron, the aim of confining the entire population at home is not to overcome the epidemic, but to spread it out over time so that the sick do not arrive at the same time in hospitals and saturate them. In other words, it is not a medical measure, but an exclusively administrative one. It will not reduce the number of infected people, but will postpone it in time.

In order to convince the Italians and the French of the merits of their decision, Presidents Conte and Macron first enlisted the support of committees of scientific experts. While these committees had no objection to people staying at home, they had no objection to people going about their business. Then Chairs Conte and Macron made it mandatory to have an official form to go for a walk. This document on the letterheads of the respective ministries of the interior is drawn up on honour and is not subject to any checks or sanctions.

The two governments panic their populations by distributing unnecessary instructions disavowed by infectious diseases doctors: they encourage people to wear gloves and masks in all circumstances and to keep at least one metre away from any other human being.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/8L6ehRif-v8?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent

The French "reference daily" (sic) Le Monde, Facebook France and the French Ministry of Health undertook to censor a video of Professor Didier Raoult, one of the world's most renowned infectiologists, because by announcing the existence of a proven drug in China against Covid-19, he highlighted the lack of a medical basis for the measures taken by President Macron [ 6 ].

https://www.youtube.com/embed/n4J8kydOvbc?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent

It is too early to say what real goal the Conte and Macron governments are pursuing. The only thing that is certain is that it is not a question of fighting Covid-19.

Thierry Meyssan

Translation

Pete Kimberley

[ 1 ] The Mandate of Heaven and The Great Ming Code, Jiang Yonglin, University of Washington Press (2011).

[ 2 ] Human Extinction and the Pandemic Imaginary, Christos Lynteris, Routledge (2020).

[ 3 ] " Nouveau coronavirus : solidarité, collaboration et mesures d'urgence au niveau mondial s'imposent ", Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Organisation mondiale de la Santé, 11 février 2020.

[ 4 ] Pandemics, Science and Policy. H1N1 and the World Health Organization, Sudeepa Abeysinghe, Plagrave Macmillan (2015).

[ 5 ] " The techniques of modern military propaganda ", by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 18 May 2016.

[ 6 ] " "La chloroquine guérit le Covid-19" : Didier Raoult, l'infectiologue qui aurait le remède au coronavirus ", Étienne Campion, Marianne, 19 mars 2020.

[Mar 21, 2020] Air pollituion as an important factor in this virus epidemic

Mar 21, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Allen , Mar 22 2020 1:06 utc | 68

I urge everyone to read the first article that is linked. What is happening this year is decidedly NOT a unique phenomenon for Italy or elsewhere that has been cited below. You might call it an acceleration or culmination or "perfect storm" but this is not a unique situation.

I wish to stress the following:

Estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17 seasons in Italy.

Anyone remember a global outcry about these excess deaths during any of these years?

Pollution; The Po river contains some of the worst waste from industrial pig farms upriver. The air quality in the Po River Valley is some of the worst only behind an area in Poland where they still use coal fired power plants in overall poor quality.

The people in N Italy have been subjected to constant bombardment of this pollution which destroys their respiratory functions and weakens their immune systems- a perfect milieu for viruses to proliferate. The same is true for those in N China and Tehran. Tehran's air quality has deteriorated dramatically since the US sanctions as they have gone to using a cheaper gas, laced with sulfur, to provide fuel for their people.

Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which has already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic.

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

This is not a coincidence that these environmental factors have created a milieu in which all sorts of diseases can proliferate. Now capitalism will come up with the magic bullet like a vaccine or a pill to "fix" the problem- rinse and repeat if the current social order/forms of production aren't radically changed.

A virus which impacts upper respiratory functions attacking those who are vulnerable due to years of having their upper respiratory systems assaulted non-stop by heavy doses of pollutants of all varieties- that's what we are seeing. None of this is new except to the degree. In all the areas listed below, N Italy, N China, Madrid, Tehran they have been experiencing a dramatic increase in upper respiratory disease for years now.

And please don't tell me the solution is some vaccination or some great new cure that will be discovered (and profited from) by the miraculous men of modern medicine. The solution is to clean up the environment so that we are not vulnerable in the first place. Without that prepare for COVID-20 the sequel or whatever name the thoroughly bought off WHO and CDC and...wish to place upon this next "pandemic."

Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)

In recent years, Italy has been registering peaks in death rates, particularly among the elderly during the winter season. Influenza epidemics have been indicated as one of the potential determinants of such an excess.

We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17, respectively, using the Goldstein index. The average annual mortality excess rate per 100,000 ranged from 11.6 to 41.2 with most of the influenza-associated deaths per year registered among the elderly.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(19)30328-5/fulltext

Nitrogen dioxide and fine particles are threatening Po valley air quality

https://vitesy.com/blog/air-pollution/nitrogen-dioxide-fine-particles-po-valley-air-quality/

Italy's polluted Po Valley gasps for fresh air

https://phys.org/news/2019-02-italy-polluted-po-valley-gasps.html


How a 'Toxic Cocktail' Is Posing a Troubling Health Risk in China's Cities

https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-a-toxic-cocktail-is-posing-a-troubling-health-risk-in-chinese-cities


The new study argues that smogs in China contain more ingredients than those found either in the legendary "pea-soupers" of 19th- and 20th-century Europe and North America or in modern rich-world, vehicle-generated smogs. Something new is happening: The unprecedented speed of industrialization and urbanization has combined two eras of pollution.

Investigating air quality status and air pollutant trends over the Metropolitan Area of Tehran, Iran over the past decade between 2005 and 2014


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6044178/

Overall, trends have been progressed to worsening, the number of healthy days has been declined and the number of unhealthy days has been increased in recent years.

Tehran is rated as one of the world's most polluted cities. Parts of the city are often covered by smog, making breathing difficult and causing widespread pulmonary illnesses. ... According to local officials, 3,600 people died in a single month due to the hazardous air quality.

Air Pollution, a Silent Form of Death for Tehran Citizens

https://www.iranfocus.com/en/life-in-iran/34172-air-pollution-a-silent-form-of-death-for-tehran-citizens


Madrid air pollution reaches alarming levels

You don't have to step into the street for Madrid's roads to pose a hazard to your health: air pollution from cars in the city might just knock you over. Scientists are finding links between the gases and disease.

......

According to studies by Julio Diaz, a researcher at the Carlos III Health Institute in Madrid, even small increases in air pollution can cause the number of people admitted to hospitals with circulatory and respiratory illnesses to rise.

https://www.dw.com/en/madrid-air-pollution-reaches-alarming-levels/a-16739363

[Mar 21, 2020] Vietnam is now requiring everyone to wear masks in public places.

Mar 21, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Hope , Mar 22 2020 1:02 utc | 67

There's much attention being given to how China and South Korea have reacted to the virus, but amazingly little to the response in Vietnam. The first cases in Vietnam arrived with the new lunar year, via Wuhan; quite quickly the number of cases rose to sixteen, and for several weeks stayed at that number. The Vietnamese government acted quickly, strongly and effectively, until all sixteen recovered (and the district near Hanoi which had been placed under lockdown had completed their isolation.
On March 2nd a flight from London, carrying a woman who was returning from the Milan fashion week:
"The country's 17th case, imported on a flight from London, kicked off a new wave of cases, [now nearing 100].

Even with a new wave of cases, the numbers are far from those witnessed in the western world. The issue has been taken seriously, with all suffering symptoms put in quarantine and tested, while their places of residence are locked down and sanitised. Việt Nam was one of the first nations to declare an epidemic and has been quick in its response, both in handling current cases and ensuring the spread of the virus is as limited as possible. "
- taken from https://vietnamnews.vn/life-style/expat-corner/653815/keeping-calm-and-carrying-on-viet-nam-sets-a-coronavirus-example.html

It is notable that almost all cases of infection have been brought into the country, or at one-person distance from the person bringing it into the country.

Today there has been the announcement of the seventeenth reported recovery in Vietnam. So far there has been not one death.

Points in the reaction:
Public gatherings were stopped right away - even local community Women's Day lunches.
All citizens and all foreigners are now required to report on health, on recent travel, etc.
Everyone is now required to wear masks in public places.

[Mar 21, 2020] Trump is like the kid who played video games when he should have been doing his homework, then failed miserably on the test and tried to bullshit his way through the essay questions.

Mar 21, 2020 | caucus99percent.com

Trump is like the kid who played video games when he should have been doing his homework, then failed miserably on the test and tried to bullshit his way through the essay questions.

As you are probably aware, a handful of elected leaders were selling their stock while assuaging the public about the dangers of the pandemic. We've gone from incompetence, to negligence, to outright profiteering.

Last year, the Dept. of Health and Human Services ran a 7 month long exercise code named "Crimson Contagion," a dry run response to a global pandemic which started in China and expected more than 100 million Americans to become ill.

The simulation highlighted several failures in our preparedness for such a catastrophe .

DONALD TRUMP: Nobody knew there'd be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion.

[Mar 21, 2020] If Gabbard is angling for the VP position as Biden mentioned he's looking for a woman as a running mate she better hope Biden remember what he said

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Ian2 , Mar 21 2020 21:26 utc | 32

Gabbard is angling for the VP position as Biden mentioned he's looking for a woman as a running mate. She better hope Biden remember what he said. I wonder what Biden's criteria for his candidates? Hmm...

[Mar 21, 2020] Boomerang can return

Mar 21, 2020 | caucus99percent.com

RantingRooster on Sat, 03/21/2020 - 9:27am

...Heck, if Trump can "recognized" Juan Guaido as the "legitimate" president of Venezuela, why the fuck can't we "recognize" Bernie Sanders as our legitimate president? I mean, if all we have to do is just say it is so, like Trump and others did, why the fuck not? (yeah I know, but...I think you get my point)

[Mar 21, 2020] Tucker Senator Burr sold shares after virus briefing - YouTube

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Bowhead31 , 5 hours ago

The problem is these people no longer see themselves as public servants.

Maria Summers , 6 hours ago

The Georgia Senator is just as guilty as the rest of them, regarding "Insider Trading".

shane passey , 3 hours ago

She's a crook just like the rest of the politicians. They say they be there for the people. But they're really there to make themselves rich

[Mar 21, 2020] Tulsi Gabbard says insider traders should be 'investigated prosecuted,' as Left and Right team up on profiteering senators --

Highly recommended!
Notable quotes:
"... "better prepared than ever ..."
"... "akin to the 1918 pandemic." ..."
"... "Congress/staff who dumped stocks after private briefings on impending coronavirus epidemic should be investigated and prosecuted for insider trading," ..."
"... "Members of Congress should not be allowed to own stocks." ..."
"... "stomach churning," ..."
"... "For a public servant it's pretty hard to imagine many things more immoral than doing this," ..."
"... "Richard Burr had critical information that might have helped the people he is sworn to protect. But he hid that information and helped only himself." ..."
"... "If you find out about a nation-threatening pandemic and your first move is to adjust your stock portfolio you should probably not be in a job that serves the public interest," ..."
"... "calling for immediate investigations" ..."
"... "for possible violations of the STOCK Act and insider trading laws." ..."
"... Think your friends would be interested? Share this story! ..."
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Tulsi Gabbard says insider traders should be 'investigated & prosecuted,' as Left and Right team up on profiteering senators 21 Mar, 2020 21:19 Get short URL Tulsi Gabbard says insider traders should be 'investigated & prosecuted,' as Left and Right team up on profiteering senators FILE PHOTO: Tulsi Gabbard speaks during the US Democratic presidential debate in Atlanta, Georgia, November 20, 2019 © Reuters / Brendan McDermid Follow RT on RT In a rare moment of bipartisanship, commenters from all sides have demanded swift punishment for US senators who dumped stock after classified Covid-19 briefings. Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard has called for criminal prosecution. As chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr (R-North Carolina) has received daily briefings on the threat posed by Covid-19 since January. Burr insisted to the public that America was ready to handle the virus, but sold up to $1.5 million in stocks on February 13, less than a week before the stock market nosedived, according to Senate filings . Immediately before the sale, Burr wrote an op-ed assuring Americans that their government is "better prepared than ever " to handle the virus.

Also on rt.com Liberal icon Sean Penn wants a 'compassionate' army deployment to fight Covid-19

After the sale, NPR reported that he told a closed-door meeting of North Carolina business leaders that the virus actually posed a threat "akin to the 1918 pandemic." Burr does not dispute the NPR report.

In a tweet on Saturday, former 2020 presidential candidate and Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard called for criminal investigations. "Congress/staff who dumped stocks after private briefings on impending coronavirus epidemic should be investigated and prosecuted for insider trading," she wrote.

"Members of Congress should not be allowed to own stocks."

Congress/staff who dumped stocks after private briefings on impending coronavirus epidemic should be investigated & prosecuted for insider trading (the STOCK Act). It is illegal & abuse of power. Members of Congress should not be allowed to own stocks. https://t.co/rbVfJxrk3r

-- Tulsi Gabbard 🌺 (@TulsiGabbard) March 21, 2020

Burr was not the only lawmaker on Capitol Hill to take precautions, it was reported. Fellow Intelligence Committee member Dianne Feinstein (D-California) and her husband sold off more than a million dollars of shares in a biotech company five days later, while Oklahoma's Jim Inhofe (R) made a smaller sale around the same time. Both say their sales were routine.

Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Georgia) attended a Senate Health Committee briefing on the outbreak on January 24. The very same day, she began offloading stock, dropping between $1.2 and $3.1 million in shares over the following weeks. The companies whose stock she sold included airlines, retail outlets, and Chinese tech firm Tencent.

She did, however, invest in cloud technology company Oracle, and Citrix, a teleworking company whose value has increased by nearly a third last week, as social distancing measures forced more and more Americans to work from home. All of Loeffler's transactions were made with her husband, Jeff Sprecher, CEO of the New York Stock Exchange.

Meanwhile, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (New York) and Ilhan Omar (Minnesota) have joined the clamor of voices demanding punishment. Ocasio-Cortez described the sales as "stomach churning," while Omar reached across the aisle to side with Fox News' Tucker Carlson in calling for Burr's resignation.

I am 💯 with him on this 😱 https://t.co/Gbi3i2BagY

-- Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) March 20, 2020

"For a public servant it's pretty hard to imagine many things more immoral than doing this," Carlson said during a Friday night monolog. "Richard Burr had critical information that might have helped the people he is sworn to protect. But he hid that information and helped only himself."

As of Saturday, there are nearly 25,000 cases of Covid-19 in the US, with the death toll heading towards 300. Now both sides of the political aisle seem united in disgust at the apparent profiteering of Burr, Loeffler, and Feinstein.

Right-wing news outlet Breitbart savaged Burr for voting against the STOCK Act in 2012, a piece of legislation that would have barred members of Congress from using non-public information to profit on the stock market. At the same time, a host of Democratic figures - including former presidential candidates Andrew Yang and Kirsten Gillibrand - weighed in with their own criticism too.

"If you find out about a nation-threatening pandemic and your first move is to adjust your stock portfolio you should probably not be in a job that serves the public interest," Yang tweeted on Friday.

If you find out about a nation-threatening pandemic and your first move is to adjust your stock portfolio you should probably not be in a job that serves the public interest.

-- Andrew Yang🧢 (@AndrewYang) March 20, 2020

Watchdog group Common Cause has filed complaints with the Justice Department, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Senate Ethics Committee "calling for immediate investigations" of Burr, Loeffler, Feinstein and Inhofe "for possible violations of the STOCK Act and insider trading laws."

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[Mar 21, 2020] Coronavirus - A Laymans Update By Walrus

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Larry Kart , 20 March 2020 at 07:57 PM

FWIW, Dr. Fauci pretty much threw cold water on the Chloroquine option at today's Trump press conference, saying that no clinical trials have been conducted and leaving the impression that he was highly dubious. Again, FWIW.

P.S. I wonder how long Fauci will be welcomed onto that podium.

[Mar 21, 2020] Patrick Armstrong

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20 March 2020 at 10:30 AM

div Putin just realized that he is at the start of his career Of course there may be a simpler answer: looking across the pond, Putin sees an election between Biden (b Nov 1942) and Trump (b June 1946) and realises that he (b Oct 1952) is just at the start of his career.

[Mar 21, 2020] Tulsi's endorsement of Biden suggests that she's as keen to see the Dems eviscerated as I am.

Mar 21, 2020 | www.moonofalabama.org

Hoarsewhisperer , Mar 20 2020 13:42 utc | 2

Tulsi's endorsement of Biden suggests that she's as keen to see the Dems eviscerated as I am.

Hell hath no fury...?

[Mar 20, 2020] Russiagater and greedy bastard. Usual combination. Nothing new, nothing interesting

Mar 20, 2020 | www.rt.com

Richard Burr, chair of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, has been accused of deceiving the public about the coronavirus outbreak and seeking to profit from it by dumping stocks that are crashing due to the pandemic. Burr (R-North Carolina) found himself under attack from two directions on Thursday. Early in the day, National Public Radio ran a story based on "secret recordings" from a speech he gave in North Carolina in late February, when he gave oddly specific warnings about Covid-19 to an elite group of donors, while keeping the rest of the American public in the dark.

SCOOP: Secret recording obtained by NPR shows that Senate Intel Chairman Richard Burr raised alarms about Coronavirus weeks ago in private meeting with well-connected constituents -- concerns he never shared with the public https://t.co/afyvzaMyXK

-- Tim Mak (@timkmak) March 19, 2020

The North Carolina Republican struck back later in the day, accusing NPR on Twitter of "journalistic malpractice" for "knowingly and irresponsibly" misrepresenting the speech, calling the article a "tabloid-style hit piece."

By then, however, he was taking flanking fire from a different position. Open Secrets, a "nonpartisan, independent and nonprofit" research group tracking money in politics – with George Soros' Open Society Foundation as one of their biggest donors , mind you – published his financial disclosures, showing that Burr and his wife sold over $1 million worth of stocks in corporations that took it on the chin as the Covid-19 pandemic tanked the US stock markets.

SCOOP: NC's GOP Senator Richard Burr told the public he was confident the govt can fight off COVID-19 the same time he & his wife sold up to ~$1.5 million stock in major corporations that ended up losing most of their value during the coronavirus pandemic https://t.co/JsXkaxb2Pw pic.twitter.com/lMnnbBfoNZ

-- Anna Massoglia (@annalecta) March 19, 2020

Much of the outraged responses to both the NPR and Open Secrets, praising their revelations and demanding Burr be imprisoned – along with the rest of the Republican Party, President Donald Trump, and who knows who else – have been the usual suspects promoting the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory over the past four years.

NPR's article was authored by Tim Mak, a Daily Beast alum who famously co-authored a fake Russiagate bombshell in December 2018, accusing the president's son Donald Trump Jr of lying to Congress based on misquoting the publicly available transcript.

Also on rt.com 'Sound conclusions': Senate panel backs 'Russiagate' intel report

To make the irony even greater, Burr has been extremely helpful to the 'Russiagate' gang while chairing the Senate Intelligence Committee. For example, he endorsed the infamous "intelligence community assessment" based on wishful thinking . He has also treated the ranking minority member, Sen. Mark Warner (D-Virginia) as "co-chair," covering for him even when it emerged that Warner was trying to secretly communicate with the British spy who wrote the debunked anti-Trump "Steele dossier."

None of it availed Burr one bit when they came for his head, of course – the "R" next to his name automatically made him a Trump supporter in the minds of the woke mob. If it turns out to be true that he knew far more about the dangers of the pandemic but chose to keep silent and profit from it, that would indeed be a colossal dereliction of duty. But as his prior record in overseeing the US spy community indicates, it wouldn't have been the first time.

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[Mar 20, 2020] Such a nice Trojan Horse: How is it possible to morph from a Tulsi, to a Tulsigieg so fast??

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Ronald van Kemenade , 9 hours ago

After the DNC stabbing her in the back, she should have endorsed Trump.

Nate Hoffman , 11 hours ago

Great actress. Very convincing.

tim ahlf , 5 hours ago

Obama gave her a call like he did everybody else.

Rita Marie Kelley , 12 hours ago

Aloha will never be the same...

Jack Carvis , 1 hour ago

Every dem politician has a role(acting job) to play and she deserves the Oscar .

eancd , 6 hours ago

I guess they won't be calling Tulsi a Russian agent any more

State of Opportunity , 12 hours ago

She should've just endorsed Lindsey Graham.

TheNada73 , 5 hours ago

They made her an offer she can't refuse.

Bruce Liu , 3 hours ago

Tulsi is controlled opposition

[Mar 20, 2020] Pompeo myth that USA and the West were unprepared because China withheld information about the virus.

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occupatio , Mar 19 2020 20:16 utc | 161

@b Another myth to add to your collection ...

... that USA and the West were unprepared because China withheld information about the virus.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2020 18:20 utc | 106

The "Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on COVID-19" states that China transparently reported the identification of virus to the WHO and the international community on January 3rd, and a WHO investigative team was invited to Wuhan a week after that.

From January 3rd, 2020, information on COVID-19 cases has been reported to WHO daily.

On January 7th, full genome sequences of the new virus were shared with WHO and the international community immediately after the pathogen was identified.

On January 10th, an expert group involving Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwanese technical experts and a World Health Organization team was invited to visit Wuhan.

From page 31 of:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

[Mar 20, 2020] Tucker Carlson and China bashing

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Minnesota Mary , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 11:37 pm GMT

@FB I, too, have been disappointed in Tucker Carlson's China bashing. I have thought that he was the best on FOX News, but now he is getting to be as bad as Sean Hannity.

We may never know the origin of the coronavirus. It is foolish to try and assign blame at this point.

[Mar 20, 2020] The virus and the Deep state

Notable quotes:
"... Both financial systems and economies were clearly crashing beginning in early September. Now the elites get to blame all the troubles on a virus ..."
Mar 20, 2020 | www.unz.com

Ron Unz , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 3:43 am GMT

Well, I think there's a certain amount of circumstantial evidence suggesting that the Coronavirus outbreak may have been an American bioweapon attack against China (and Iran).

But if so, I'm *extremely* skeptical that the perpetrators ever intended or imagined that it would leak back into the US and inflict the horrific economic and social damage that now seems unavoidable. How to explain this lack lack of foresight?

The most obvious answer is that they were stupid and incompetent, but here's another point to consider

In late 2002 there was the outbreak of SARS in China, a related virus but that was far more deadly and somewhat different in other characteristics. The virus killed hundreds of Chinese and spread into a few other countries before it was controlled and stamped out. The impact on the US and Europe was negligible, with just a small scattering of cases and only a death or two.

So if American biowarfare analysts were considering a Coronavirus attack against China, isn't it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we'd similarly remain insulated from the Coronavirus?

Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?

https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/#comment-3775042

Father O'Hara , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 3:55 am GMT
Well, I have only recently heard of a guy named Francis Boyle,a law professor out of the Univ. Of Illinois. He is apparently an expert on bio-warfare treaties. He claims covid-19 is manmade,period.
That is a very scary notion,from which most people will flee.
As I have accepted that 9/11 was "the usual suspects," I guess it is definitely possible.
Sasha , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 4:00 am GMT
@Ron Unz Maybe, but my take is an engineered market crash. This looks to me like a Nathan Rothschild sort of trick (according to legend) – propagating fake news about Napoleon's victory at Waterloo, crashing the markets, then snapping up the whole LSE for a penny to the pound. If so, you have to admire it, the sheer genius, the psychopathic beauty of it all.

As a bonus, the Reichstag Fire also is an extremely efficient delivery system for the eugenics payload – a very virulent strain that almost exclusively targets the social burden (pensioners and already ill) while leaving alone the tax-farm base! Never in the history of tax-farming have the sheeple been stampeded and fleeced so thoroughly! Bravo!

Flubber , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 4:13 am GMT
"The US cannot win a trade war with China."

What kind of bollocks is this.

Of course the US can win a trade war.

The US is the customer, with the enormous trade deficit. Trump has been hugely effective with his tariff's policy in rehoming manufacturing to the US – a process that will vastly accelerate thanks to the Corona virus outbreak.

I agree that 9-11 stink to high heaven and that PNAC are unmitigated bastards, but this capitulation to China is balls.

Delta G , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 4:16 am GMT
@Ron Unz Stupidity is certainly an American Military essential behavior for promotion and success in the current US Armed Forces.

But you can't have someone clever enough to create a Recombinant Designer Pathogen and be in the US Military.

However, the psyops fucks would likely be ready to game the system should a natural outbreak occur which would be called a Pandemic even when its not and make everyone of our low quality leaders $hit their pants and go totally crazy. A mild fart with the claim its poison gas would make the Stock Markets Collapse.

Carlton Meyer , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 4:22 am GMT

But if so, I'm *extremely* skeptical that the perpetrators ever intended or imagined that it would leak back into the US and inflict the horrific economic and social damage that now seems unavoidable. How to explain this lack lack of foresight?

This is the same issue with cyberwar viruses. One can infect computers in Iran, but with the internet they may be passed onto the entire world, just like rap music.

antibeast , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 4:41 am GMT
@Ron Unz

But if so, I'm *extremely* skeptical that the perpetrators ever intended or imagined that it would leak back into the US and inflict the horrific economic and social damage that now seems unavoidable. How to explain this lack lack of foresight?

One word: Trump. Because he could very well lose his reelection bid if the pandemic causes an economic recession which now seems highly likely given the stock market collapse.

Cui Bono ? The people OPPOSED to Trump, variously referred to as the "Deep State" or the "National Security State" as described by Gore Vidal in his book which by the way Julian Assange was holding while being hauled away from the Ecuadorian Embassy.

After Russiagate and Ukrainegate, THEY finally hit the bullseye with Coronagate.

Si1ver1ock , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:05 am GMT
This is a pretty good article. I'll probably link to it.

Some people think this is coming from City of London types. The US pursued a "strategy of tension" with China that may have allowed third party actors to intervene and get them fighting each other.

There has been some Bad Blood between British elites and China for awhile now. It's not clear why.

In this scheme, the US is the patsy, the Oswald to take the blame.

Anonymous [392] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:16 am GMT
@Polemos Check this link out:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/coronavirus-universal-basic-income-andrew-yang-134922

The real gem in the whole article are the observations made by Yang himself:

YANG: That's what freaks me out about the whole thing. What we're doing is saying things like, "Keep your social distance," and trying to stop the spread that way, which is fine. But we have shit for data. Like, we don't know what the infection rate is. And so, there's no reason we would ever be able to give the 'all-clear.' If you don't have any data, this whole thing is a nightmare that doesn't end. When you close schools, what gives you the all-clear to say, "OK, open them again"? Nothing. There's no data to compare it to. This whole thing is a fear-based approach with no end in sight. There's no catalyst to ever sound the all-clear. This whole thing is so fucked up.

YANG: I think the nature of that guidance has to be different, personally. I think they need to be transparent about what kind of data we're relying on, to give people a sense of the timeline. Right now, our sense of the future is so cloudy. And you get the sense the president went from not taking this seriously to suddenly realizing its seriousness, and now we're reacting in various ways to slow the spread of the virus. But then what? I would be clearer as to what the timeline looks like, what data we're going to rely upon, how we're going to get that data, what steps we're taking to increase testing capacity and just give people a sense of the future.

We need to know now what the future can look like under different scenarios and then be presented with what scenario we're in when that time comes. We've been on lockdown for half a week. Right now, the American people don't have any visibility into whether it's going to be four more weeks or four more months, and we don't know how those judgments are going to determined. As president, I would say, "Look, here's the information, here's the dashboard, here's what we're lining up, here's what we're hoping for, here's how circumstances could change, and thank you for doing your part -- if you proceed with like the rest of the country in flattening the curve and keeping things under this level, then we can look forward to this. " You know, so we could actually have a sense of accomplishment and purpose.

So here we have it, replicated throughout the whole of the Western world. An open-ended clamp-down based on fear, with no timeline or road map, and no conditions set on when (or IF) things will get back to normal.

For now, smells really fishy. Even if DS (Deep State) did not intentionally engineer this circumstance, they are decisively and very swiftly exploiting it to exert extreme control over everything .

Franklin Ryckaert , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:31 am GMT
@antibeast On the contrary, for the deep state Trump is the ideal puppet. Those who are against Trump belong to the surface state , i.e. Democrats, Leftists in general and the equally Leftist main stream media. Real policy in the US is only made by the deep state .
bobbybobbob , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:57 am GMT
Let me cut through all this speculative noise with Occam's Razor.

The virus is natural. The CCP elites are using it in exactly the same way the USG and EU elites are. Both financial systems and economies were clearly crashing beginning in early September. Now the elites get to blame all the troubles on a virus (which isn't actually killing anyone in interesting numbers). Absent the WuFlu they'd all risk getting strung up pretty soon. Now instead of being called out for the decade+ of ineptitude that lead to a collapsing global bubble economy, they get to be praised as heroes that saved everyone from dying.

Now that I've cleared up all that nonsense about a bioweapon and grand scheme to kneecap China, I have to say that the "China inevitably taking over" narrative is rather ridiculous, flu or not. Japan re-ascendant and taking back Manchokou is more believable. As the USA washes its hands of these messes overseas and pulls back homeward, China is in the worst position. All its neighbors hate it and will check it. China has been the #1 beneficiary of Pax Americana this century. Well, Americans are rapidly losing interest in that project.

Malcolms_brother , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 6:01 am GMT
@Ron Unz

But if so, I'm * extremely * skeptical that the perpetrators ever intended or imagined that it would leak back into the US and inflict the horrific economic and social damage that now seems unavoidable. How to explain this lack lack of foresight?

Dr. Unz,

That's because -- if it indeed is a bio-weapon -- the value of the attack for this particular case does not lie in the attack itself. The goal is the propaganda that can be generated from the attack, i.e. the propaganda value . Words in general (and therefore propaganda) have real-world material power. It affects people's thinking, which in turn affects people's actions and behavior, which in turn have real-world consequences. Propaganda of this sort would then utterly damage the world's perception of China, which could then affect China's economic, diplomatic, and political dealings.

If the infection were contained within China's borders or within isolated parts of East Asia, then not much of a big fuss could be made about it. The infection needs to spread for it to have propaganda value. Note that Covid-19 has a very low fatality rate compared to SARS or other recent infection outbreaks. Yet it is very infectious (meaning, many people getting infected / high rate of infection). Covid-19 is a virus that is very infectious BUT has a low fatality rate -- exactly the kind of virus you want if you wanted something to spread.

Also, the elites are willing to incur losses in the short-run. They'll weather whatever short-run losses just fine, and they'll make up for it in other ways. The real people that will get hit economically in a permanent way are the low-income, the middle-class, and even the upper middle-class. The oligarchs won't.

What they're really concerned about is the long-run, and that's smart on them. They'll have real losses in the long-run if China completes its rise. China is set to complete its overall rise (not on everything, but just overall) in the probably the next 5 to 10 years. Much of the indicators for this has been covered by that Godfree guy and by others. So something must be done to stop it.

Anonymous [428] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 6:07 am GMT
@Trinity And don't forget to add that such a magical cure – should it be created – would become weaponized to exclude the usual suspects (Iran, Syria, Taliban-Afghanistan, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, Iraq, possibly war-ravaged Libya and who knows, even impoverished shee-thole nations like Haiti and African countries) from having access to it. Also include the offer by Trump to German firm CureVac to move its Covid-19 vaccine research operations to the US so the vaccine could be used exclusively for Americans.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-us-cases-germany-carevac-a9403646.html

refl , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 6:36 am GMT

After Russiagate and Ukrainegate, THEY finally hit the bullseye with Coronagate.

And Coronagate contains just about as much reality as those other "gates" – the experience of gateology tell us that once the story is up and runing,it does not matter, if the back story resembles anything in the real world.

The Chinese at first might really have believed that they were under a bioweapons attack. They would have kept it secret at first, not to further the panic.
After they had inflicted tremendous damage on their own economy they could not confess that they had been taken in by a panic. So, they play along with the story that there really is a dangerous virus around.
This way, they force the same debilitating countermessures on western economies. While they can overcome the blow, European economies are so weak by now that they will fold. Which leaves China even gaining from their gambit.

As for the US, it has long been established that the anti trumpers will stop at nothing and blow their country to pieces ten times over, if it only carried a minimal chance of hurting Trump.

It is China and the Zionists who will be cashing in on this. A hell of a combination.

Sparkon , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 6:53 am GMT
@Flubber T his passage you have plagiarized is commonly misattributed to Cicero, but it was penned by Taylor Caldwell in her 1965 work A Pillar of Iron , a fictional novel about the Roman orator.

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.

-- Taylor Caldwell, A Pillar of Iron (1965) ch. 56

https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780191843730.001.0001/q-oro-ed5-00017226

FB , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 7:55 am GMT
@Ron Unz

So if American biowarfare analysts were considering a Coronavirus attack against China, isn't it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we'd similarly remain insulated from the Coronavirus?

The SARS virus may not be an apt comparison for the simple reason that it is far too deadly apparently [I'm not a virus expert] viruses that kill a lot aren't successful because the only way they can reproduce is through a host

Viruses live on a delicate balance, don't they? They have to be able to thrive without killing their host.

Right. The ones that kill off their host quickly will disappear. With the SARS virus, it's no surprise that killing 10 percent of its host, it wasn't able to establish itself as a pandemic virus on this planet.

Are there any signs that this coronavirus will kill itself?

This one has a lower pathogenicity. The lower its virulence, the more likely it'll become part of an endemic, part of a seasonal event. That's one of the big things that's going to be a worry.

–Leading Virologist Dennis Carroll

FB , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 8:03 am GMT

The US cannot win a trade war with China. It cannot win a nuclear war. It cannot win a conventional land war. Yet from the neocon perspective it needs some kind of war ASAP before China grows too strong.

Of course those are plain facts that are clear to thinking people very few of which will be commenting on this particular website I notice the yowls of protest are already starting on this thread brace for many more

Strategic analysts agree that the necessary prelude to ramped up US-vs.-China warfare would be a decoupling of the US and Chinese economies. That decoupling is happening now, thanks to coronavirus.

True again, and an important point I was surprised to see the often-sensible Tucker Carlson going into full China bashing today calling exactly for this kind of economic decoupling from China and encouraging Trump in his belligerent tone towards China

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5W9vjsFQUUU?feature=oembed

FB , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 8:14 am GMT
@Flubber Flubbering Idiot says

the Chinese authorities suppression of the initial medical analysis of the outbreak.

Total BS

These agit-prop China-bashing stories have been totally discredited by the great results the Chinese have achieved very effective and very efficient let's see now how the US copes [why do I have the feeling it won't be nearly as smooth ?]

Greg Bacon , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 8:18 am GMT

"So the United States is run by lunatics, by psychopaths who are entirely capable of launching World War 3 by way of a biological warfare attack on China and Iran, with the Iran component presumably led by Israel. That's the most likely explanation for what we're seeing."

This is the kind of rot Press TV publishes.

The US is run by lunatics who are absolutely devoid of empathy for anyone else, unless it's their fellow war mongers or their colonial master, Israel.

The list of false flags the ruling US clique have used–to accomplish their goals–go back to the Spanish-American war and have only gotten bloodier and more sophisticated.

Take this excerpt from the PNAC declaration:

And advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool" (p. 60).

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

Don't know about UNZ readers, but creating bio-weapons that target specific genotypes sounds like what took place in China, then Iran, where the virus mutated to target Persians.

If you go to the PNAC doc and read the names of the directors, staff and signatories, it reads like a Bar Mitzah guest list, that even has our old friend, former Pentagon comptroller Rabbi Dov S. Zakheim listed. Wonder if the good Rabbi ever found those missing Pentagon trillions?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#People_associated_with_the_PNAC

The Israeli masterminded 9/11 false flag has been almost consecrated–like the holocaust–and anyone who dares to question the official lies, stands to lose their jobs, stature and be endlessly vilified for asking historical questions. Punitive measures that Mr. Barrett has first-hand knowledge of.

Monty Ahwazi , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 8:26 am GMT
Thank you Kevin Barrett for another informative article. Also thank you to UNZ for his support!
I just have one simple comment for both of you. I love the other fat man and I think his last name is something like Pimpeo! He expanded the US sanctions against Iran to include the antiviral medications this past Tuesday! He justified his action to furthering "extreme pressure" on Iranians and then he said the Iranian government is the corona virus in the region! Meaning it has to be exterminated! Isn't Mr Pimpeo a real good person?
You may want to add the Pimpeo's action against the Iranians to the list of your justifications that this virus was a man made virus and spread for evil reasons! Perhaps you are giving the stupid planners and executioner of the plan more credit than they deserve by saying that this plan may eventually save the western imperialism! As you said a bunch of inept and incompetent people planned and executed the spread of this virus but it blew up in their faces beyond their imagination. They just didn't realize that this virus can walk, spread and ultimately not discriminating against anyone, weak and strong or rich and poor!
Been_there_done_that , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 8:32 am GMT

" I spent most of 2004 through 2006 blaming Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld for 9/11.

With 2020 hindsight I can now see that I should have interpreted 9/11 as a likely false flag immediately, based on cui bono."

Better late than never. To anybody following that event on television back then, it should have already been obvious by the end of that same day that this was a professionally planned operation, based on the following clues:

• As the event was still unfolding, Ehud Barak was at BBC headquarters to provide the desired narrative;

• George W. Bush was not immediately whisked away from elementary school by his security agents.

• Symmetrical destruction of twin towers was inconsistent with consequences from a plane impact;

• Third tower collapsed rapidly for no apparent or plausible reason except a controlled demolition;

• Implausibility of emerging story involving coordinated Muslim hijackings with box cutter blades;

• Repetitive (scripted) "New Pearl Harbor " mantra by newscasters preceded by movie all summer long.

And a few weeks later it should have been obvious that the continuing molten metal and bedrock at ground-zero was a lingering effect of the nuclear detonations below the three buildings that precipitated their collapse. Even after so many years, some critics have still been reluctant to acknowledge this particularly hideous aspect of the operation.

" The question of whether the virus is naturally evolved or man-made is still open. "

A month ago Professor Boyle at University of Illinois publicly reported the findings from the scientific literature, that the virus had obviously been manipulated to provide "gain of function" properties, in other words, weaponized. In the meantime, virtually nobody in alternative media believes the official story purporting that the virus evolved naturally from animals.

However, had the virus been released intentionally during the Wuhan military games prior to Halloween, then the mass epidemic effects would definitely have already been conspicuously apparent by Thanksgiving, in late November, due to the rapid exponential infection rates in such a huge metropolis, instead of at least a month later, toward the end of the year. So the specific conspiratorial conjecture presented here – virus released in late October to then cause maximum damage three months later while remaining exclusively constrained within China– is already necessarily flawed and therefore implausible.

Since there has been so much talk over the past years, for instance by Alex Jones, of plans to use the need to protect a population against a biological weapons attack as a convenient pretext for governments to curtail everyone's freedoms and thereby condition people to accept such measures, this now evolving scenario was surely in the back of many people's minds. With such contingencies already in place, it is easy to presume that, once an accidental release had actually occurred, those who advocated such a new type of authoritarianism would not miss the opportunity to exploit the crisis in an attempt to shape future events accordingly.

Yet this new event can also be effectively harnessed by those who oppose the many adverse manifestations of " Globalism " (open borders facilitating mass migration, labor arbitrage through outsourcing, interdependent international supply chains, authoritarian government, curtailing public criticism through imposed censorship, disrupting social cohesion, etc.), so that type of endeavor to resist these globalist trends would be a worthwhile focus.

slashslashdele , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 8:45 am GMT
The big players, even as they are fighting one another, will agree that the current outbreak is an excellent opportunity to test a few things and to increase their control over their respective populations. Whether the virus came from a bat or a lab, they will take note, but in the end it matters little as they are all engaged in the same neverending campaign of theft and murder.
Agent76 , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 4:51 pm GMT
Sep 6, 2019 9/11 Whistleblowers

In the early 2000s, Kevin Ryan was the site manager at Environmental Health Laboraties. On November 11, 2004, he wrote directly to Frank Gayle, the director of NIST's Twin Towers investigation. The following week, he was fired. This is his story.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/eOWRLoNOhRs?feature=oembed

2.3 TRillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 9/11/ 2001

SEPTEMBER 10, 2001 Defense Business Practices

Secretary Rumsfeld and other officials talked with reporters about the need to refine the Defense Department's business practices. An opening ceremony will kick off Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:08 pm GMT
@dimples

Possibly the virus is an engineered product, I don't know, that is up to those with bio-molecular expertise and experience. But released on purpose? A stretch to be sure given the all too predictable consequences.

I think you are being naive. This happened where I live:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-s-secretly-tested-carcinogen-in-western-canada-during-the-cold-war-researcher-discovers
Winnipeg and the surrounding area have unusually high rates of bowel cancer and bowel disease.

Greg Bacon , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:13 pm GMT
@Robert White

Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research

An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus -- one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) -- has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks.

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews

Looks like someone has been working behind your back.

Does anyone truly think that the nation that dropped multiple thousands of tons of Napalm & Agent Orange on Vietnamese peasants, used Iraq for a weapons testing ground in 1991 and ever since 2003, especially in Fallujah, where we murdered wholesale anyone left in town after the Army brass told them to vamoose, then brought in bulldozers to bury the evidence.
And the nation that is so tough, that it uses pimply-faced kids, sitting in an AC bunker 9,000 miles away and commands them to sic Hellfire missiles onto weddings, apartments, mosques, hospitals and markets, do you really think that nation would stoop so low as to use bio-weapons?

All this butchery is affecting someone, like our vets, whose conscience wouldn't shut up, so over 60,000 committed suicide between 2008-2017

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/09/23/alarming-va-report-totals-decade-veteran-suicides.html

Guess I should add that the USA Deep State helped Israel pull off the 9/11 false flag, but I won't.

Astuteobservor II , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:13 pm GMT
@AnonFromBeijing There is a theory that Christianity in the west has been co opted by the Jews. Basically it means Christians who got twisted into serving jewish/zionist interests. This process started as early as the start of the 20th century.

It is why you have 45% of the US population who consider Israel/ Jerusalem to be holy land. They are evangelicals. They are the ones who put bush Jr and trump into the white house.

I personally would consider every single war since 2000 has been for israels benefit, maybe not wholely, but at least half.

Ron Unz , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:20 pm GMT
Well, I think I'll take the liberty of republishing portions of a couple of my recent comments from other threads for those who haven't seen them:

here's my analogy

Suppose two neighbors are feuding, and one of them has a psychopathic teenage son, who sneaks out late at night and starts an arson fire next door to "teach them a lesson."

But the victimized family smells smoke, wakes up, and using heroic effort puts the fire out with only fairly minor damage.

Meanwhile, the fire spreads back to the teenager's own house, and since the family is too lazy and incompetent to bother doing anything, the house catches on fire and burns to the ground, killing several relatives and leaving everyone homeless.

Under such a scenario, wouldn't it be more sensible for the attacked family to just quietly gloat a little and maybe offer condolences rather than to plot further vengeance?

https://www.unz.com/isteve/arguably-wrong-potential-american-deaths-range-from-5k-to-5-million/#comment-3772963

If this was a bioweapon released by the Us. The US would most certainly have a cure.

Well, that would make perfect sense unless elements of the American national security establishment were criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent. However, they ARE criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent.

Let's focus on an important point about which I think we can all now agree

According to official US government estimates published in the NYT, it's expected that up to 1.7 million Americans will die from the Coronavirus. Actually, the true figure may be far higher since they estimate that something like 200 million Americans will become infected, and 200 million infections would probably lead to many millions of deaths.

Over the last couple of months, China locked down its entire country in quarantine and stamped out the disease. South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan took immediate action to avert the disaster, and have successfully avoided substantial fatalities.

Meanwhile, during the same period the American government was so incredibly stupid, crazy, and incompetent that it did absolutely nothing, meaning that millions of Americans may quite possibly die as a consequence.

So everyone can agree that the American government is so stupid, crazy, and incompetent that millions of Americans may soon die.

Therefore, isn't it plausible that elements of a government so stupid, crazy, and incompetent as to cause the deaths of millions of Americans might also be so stupid, crazy, and incompetent as to have deployed a deadly bioweapon against China (and Iran)?

https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/#comment-3773960

Alfred , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:21 pm GMT
@Chroniccough I strongly recommend the work of Martin Armstrong. He forecast this thing 3 years ago – 10 March 2020. Here is his blog. He is a very wealthy man and is doing this as a public service. I was a cynic to start with.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/blog/

He is forecasting that after this drop, there will be a rise to a higher level than ever before. He also forecast the current rise in the USD. Everyone else – especially in the commentary in blogs such as this one – has been suggesting that the end of the dollar was neigh.

Here is his letter today to Trump. He has advised heads of state for 40 years. He believes Trump is receiving bad advice.

Asking for Your Help – Forward This Letter To Whoever You May Think Will Help | Armstrong Economics

Bill Jones , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:27 pm GMT
@Anonymous "I originally thought the Coronavirus was a bioweapon targeted against China. But that doesn't make sense now that the virus has gone global and has hit US shores. "

Your reservations seem to be based on an assumption of competence of the perpetrators.

It is not one I share.

John Chuckman , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:30 pm GMT
@Ron Unz IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVES ON THE CORONAVIRUS:

http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2020/03/most-of-those-infected-wont-even-know.html

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

http://www.domigood.com/2020/03/nobel-prize-winner-who-predicted-china.html

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/false-claims-about-the-novel-coronavirus-and-how-to-debunk-them.html#more

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

cranc , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:36 pm GMT
Worth looking at this thread by Swiss Propaganda Research which links to the recently published data from Italy (amongst many other things) :
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Almost everyone who has died out there had at least one cause of comorbidity. They were majoritively old and ill.
I've been critical of OffGuardian's line on the matter of the virus (i.e. that COVID response is basically exaggerated beyond all proportion and is best considered as driven by media hype and an undisclosed agenda) , but am now taking it seriously, as it appears to be at least partially backed up by the Italian ISS data. Hat tip to them.
Zarathustra , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:45 pm GMT
Everything is only speculation.
But this one certainly makes sense.
Alfred , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:46 pm GMT
@DaveE

It took us years to put the 9/11 pieces together and realize the gargantuan Zionist scam

When my mother in London phoned me to tell me that "something was happening in New York", I got to see on TV the second building being hit. Later, when I saw huge chunks of matter flying heavenwards, I realised that it was a controlled-demolition.

I studied civil engineering 50 years ago. Maybe they no longer teach engineers the Laws of Motion of Isaac Newton. I don't know. But the silence by the engineering profession has been deafening my ears ever since.

There is not need to analyze anything. The videos give the game away to any scientifically-educated person.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CYCuAa0eFKg?feature=oembed

Rev. Spooner , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:51 pm GMT
@Malcolms_brother And pray tell, how the oligarchs will/or have escaped being infected? Have they and their progeny been secretly vaccinated? With all flights being cancelled, how are they going to bolt to their burrows.
The only way to tell is check on the fatality rate among the super rich in the days to come.
Malcolms_brother , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:55 pm GMT
@Ron Unz The 200 million infection figure for the U.S. that you suggest is hyper-octane hyperbole. Not sure where you got that number from or how. Whatever the original source, that's clearly propaganda coming from them.

You do realize 200 mil would be nearly two-thirds of the U.S. population, no? The U.S. population is 330 mil. The Spanish Flu never infected that many people, nor Swine Flu, nor Bird Flu, NOR the SEASONAL FLU itself, nor this, nor that and so on and so forth.

I'd imagine the infection at it's very highest could be in the low single-digit millions, but unlikely.

Also, the 5k to 5 mil deaths cited by Steve Sailer is also nonsense. Anything of such a wide range tells you that the original person who came up with it really has no clue and is just pulling a figure out of his backside.

If 5 mil deaths, that would mean more than 166 mil infected (166,666,666 to be more exact), given a 3% fatality rate. That's way more than one-third of the U.S. population.

5k deaths is way more reasonable and more likely. That would mean 166,666 infections in the U.S.

Alfred , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:56 pm GMT
Let's take a look at the media of Israel. It will be interesting to see how many Jews die – if any. Let's not forget that the Israelis are past masters at manipulating their casualties of war and conflict.

To me, the number of "serious" cases is remarkably low – especially when compared to Iran. I guess it is because Iranian doctors are so bad. /sarc

Jump of 96 sick people over day earlier, partially due to increase in number of tests given; most patients doing well, 6 remain in serious condition

Number of confirmed virus cases hits 529 (Israel) as testing ramps up

Sean , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:57 pm GMT
@AnonStarter When an author is trying to convert the public to what is very much a minority view (in this post that a Deep State cabal is trying to start WW3 with a bioweapons attack on China), his readers have a reasonable expectation that his education and achievements or other qualifications validating his heterodox views will not be concealed by use of a pseudonym, and indeed Barrett did not use one.

I was not the one who said Barrett is held in such low regard by public opinion that it is counter productive for him to use his own name, and he is not worth neutralising even by something that would attract little attention such as fraudulent IRS tax audit, framing for having illegal pornography, wrongly diagnosed as a danger to himself and others or civil suits of the type that silenced the Sandy Hook Truthers. You did, and you said that Barrett lost his credibility by having already gone public under his own name as a 9/11 Truther critical of Israel. I suggested that as someone unknown under his own name you could step up and prevent WW3, but for the fact that your resume was far less impressive than Doctor Barrett's.

Mick Jagger gathers no mosque , says: Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 5:57 pm GMT
Bioweapon? Prolly not as this pandemic was predicted in 2017

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/china-ground-zero-future-pandemic-180965213/

FB , says: Website Show Comment March 19, 2020 at 6:07 pm GMT
@Greg Bacon

advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool

Thanks for digging that up [from page 60 of the Project for the New American Century think tank's 90-page report Rebuilding America's Defenses, which is summarized at the link you posted ]

Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and 'combat' likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, 'cyber-space,' and perhaps the world of microbes.

Nobody can look at this and say this isn't the work of madmen but fast-forward twenty years since that insane screed was published, and those policies embarked upon, and where is the US now ?

Losing badly on every single front, that's where just in the last several days the US military has had to flee from some of their bases in Iraq, due to being rocketed by increasingly hostile anti-occupation groups Afghanistan is a lost cause and the US has agreed to a peace deal with the Taliban that amounts to the same kind of 'peace with honor' capitulation as Nixon sought in Vietnam

The US military might which these neocon crazies assumed would reign supreme, has been shown to be a paper tiger cowed and humiliated by an Iranian missile attack on a US military base in Iraq in January that produced dozens of casualties

The US project for regime change in Syria has been thoroughly defeated its Saudi allies are getting completely routed in Yemen Libya is completely out of reach now there is not a single conflict that the US has started in the last twenty years that it is not completely defeated [only Israel hangs