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The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People! ~ Donald Trump
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| "The truth is that the newspaper is not a place for information to be given,
rather it is just hollow content, or more than that, a provoker of content.
If it prints lies about atrocities, real atrocities are the result."
Karl Kraus, 1914 WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 1984 We are the world, we are exceptional, we cannot fail. The elite will lie, and the people will pretend to believe them. Heck about 20 percent of the American public will believe almost anything if it is wrapped with the right prejudice and appeal to passion. jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com, Feb 04, 2015 "The media's interest in the well-being of a foreign population is directly proportional to the West's interest in toppling its government, while editorial standards are inversely proportional to its enemy status." ~John McEvoy The UK's propaganda machine rivals and even surpasses Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.~ Comment by Gravatomic , Apr 17, 2019 link |
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I think journalists today — elite journalists at least — absorb the biases of the ruling neoliberal oligarchy far more readily than they used to do. The media establishment is populated by yes-men. I do not understand how any skeptical person can, in good conscience, trust a western MSM description of foreign events. You need a second source to compare coverage. The mainstream media gives us no real news. Just the regurgitation of talking points they were given. Seeing how they treat the concept of truth these days, one might think that 1984 dystopia was an understatement.
Truth killing is a meta-issue ( nationalinterest.org (
The problem is fundamental, and relates to a broad spectrum of policy issues both foreign and domestic, because truth — factual reality — is a necessary foundation to consider and evaluate and debate policy on any subject.
Crushing the truth means not just our having to endure any one misdirected policy; it means losing the ability even to address policy intelligently.
To the extent that falsehood is successfully instilled in the minds of enough people, the political system loses what would otherwise be its ability to provide a check on policy that is bad policy because it is inconsistent with factual reality.
I think it is good that people question their lying politicians and these lying, corrupt partisans pretending to be MSM pundits. If that means that MSM try to slander the people as “conspiracy theorists” you should take it with a grain of salt. As Gore Vidal quipped they are actually "conspiracy analysts" not "conspiracy theorists". BTW the term was invented by CIA to crush alternative versions of JFK assassination. This label is a form of censorship, plain and simple.
I would rather be a conspiracy theorist than take anything CNN or FOX says as gospel. Or, God forbid, believe what US politicians say to justify their action or inaction. Skepticism is good. These people don’t automatically deserve our trust. As Reagan said (translating Russian proverb) "Trust but verify".
The angle under which this page views events and MSM can be called anti-neoliberal angle (please note that the term populism is the attempt to discredit any anti-neoliberal movement). Until recently such sites were a lone voice. In 2019 this changed. See Tucker Carlson rejection of neoliberalism
If you take in television news as truthful information, that's all a critically thinking person needs to know about you. In reality 99% of political coverage is neoliberal propaganda, sometimes refined, sometimes crude.
| Propaganda can be defined as a war on reality using fake news, disinformation, projection, witch-hunts (see neo_Mccarthhyism) and other methods. An attempt to create an artificial reality. |
Propaganda can be defined as a war on reality using fake news, disinformation, projection, witch-hunts (see neo_Mccarthhyism) and other methods. It is an attempt to create an artificial reality. The key here is controlling the narrative. For example, "fake news" hysteria is a perfect method of suppressing of dissent and questions about MSM ties to three-letter agencies ( see US and British media are servants of security apparatus )
Journalists manipulate us in the interest of the Powerful. Do you also have the feeling, that you are often manipulated by the media and lied to? Then you're like the majority of Germans. Previously it was considered as a "conspiracy theory". Now it revealed by an Insider, who tells us what is really happening under the hood.The Journalist Udo Ulfkotte ashamed today that he spent 17 years in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. ...he reveals why opinion leaders produce tendentious reports and serve as the extended Arm of the NATO press office. ...the author also was admitted into the networks of American elite organizations, received in return for positive coverage in the US even a certificate of honorary citizenship.
In this book you will learn about industry lobby organisations. The author calls hundreds of names and looks behind the Scenes of those organizations, which exert bias into media, such as: Atlantic bridge, Trilateral Commission, the German Marshall Fund, American Council on Germany, American Academy, Aspen Institute, and the Institute for European politics. Also revealed are the intelligence backgrounds of those lobby groups, the methods and forms of propaganda and financing used, for example, by the US Embassy. Which funds projects for the targeted influencing of public opinion in Germany
...You realize how you are being manipulated - and you know from whom and why. At the end it becomes clear that diversity of opinion will now only be simulated. Because our "messages" are often pure brainwashing.
Gekaufte Journalisten - Medienwelt Enthüllungen Bücher - Kopp Verlag
Simplifying, the US MSM foreign events media coverage (and large part of domestic coverage related to the opposition to neoliberalism and neoliberal globalization, see Anti Trump Hysteria during elections and immediately after them ) has very little to do with the reality and is mostly a barometer of the paranoia of the US neoliberal elite. It is 100% propaganda, or as CBS like to call it "fake news".
How does Fake History and Fake News in the US MSM gradually superseded their reality-based version (which never was perfect, and often quite distorted) is a very interesting question but it is too big for this page. I would only say that this process is closely connected with the process of the neoliberalization of the US society which started in full force in late 70th (see also late Sheldon Wolin notion of Inverted Totalitarism) . We can take election of Reagan as a starting point although the process started immediately after WWII. From this point "fake news" were enforced on the US society as the only acceptable narrative? Which, is essence, is a neoliberal war on reality.
The process started with the creation of CIA. The key question that arise in this regard is whether representative democracy is compatible with the existence large all-powerful and largely uncontrollable and positioned "above the law" intelligence agencies.
| The key question that arise in this regard is whether representative democracy is compatible with the existence large all-powerful and largely uncontrollable and positioned "above the law" intelligence agencies. |
At some point any society with powerful intelligence agencies naturally arrive to the point when "the tail wags the dog." In other words they became political power and in institutional hierarchy are positioned above White House. In the USA this probably happened around 1963, with the JFK assassination. In a way the USSR via Truman enforced its model of governance on the USA ;-). Creation of intelligence agencies by Truman was actually the act of the creation of national security state. Which could be viewed as an official end of the US democracy with quick (less then two decades) rise to power of the Deep State (with the first major victory demonstrated to the US people in 1963).
With it the huge apparatus of state propaganda (and by extension means of suppressing of dissent) intelligence agencies, which gradually acquired political power including considerable (but not yet absolute, that will come much later, after 9/11) level of control of MSM (see Church Committee - Wikipedia ). Which is documented in the book by Dr. Udo Ulfkotte Journalists for Hire How the CIA Buys the News
After 1963, the level outrage in the society was such that there were some meek attempts to check this power, especially the power of intelligence agencies over the MSM (Church Committee - Wikipedia was probably the most well known) but they lead to nowhere. CIa and other inteeligence againces remain positioned above the White House.
Color revolution against Trump (aka Russiagate) launched by CIA and FBI after election has shown who is the real master of the USA. It was accompanied by unprecedented neo-McCarthism campaign in which neoliberal MSM lost any remnants of decency and objectivity.
The recent incident with CIA director Gina Haspel lying to President Trump to inflict severe sanctions on Russia is just a confirmation of the level of this influence. She will never be fired for her "transgressions"
Apr 17, 2019 | www.moonofalabama.org
William Gruff , Apr 16, 2019 4:41:41 PM | link
"If Trump were not in on the schemes he would just fire his underlings!"
This sentiment indicates a failure to understand the power dynamics at play here. Haspel is not the "underling" . Trump is the underling. Sure, being that he is also an oligarch makes Trump's role in the show complicated, but Presidents are installed in order to serve the oligarchy, and the CIA are top level strategists/enforcers for the oligarchy.
In the real organization chart for the empire the CIA is above the President. This has been the case in the US since Kennedy.
Trump cannot fire Haspel or Pompeo. They can fire him, though, and with a sniper's bullet if they want.
Unfortunately for the oligarchy, that would cause additional complications at a time when they have lots of tricky and inexplicably unstable (for them) operations ongoing, which is why they are just steering Trump around instead of replacing him. And Trump is willfully cooperating, even if they are not filling him in on the plans.
Trump will not fire Haspel. He can't. He's just an actor playing a role in a show, and Haspel is one of the producers/writers of that show. If she doesn't put firing in the script then Trump cannot say those lines. I doubt he really wants to anyway.
Principles are are well known since the WWI (Falsehood in War-Time):
1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred. "The ages-old 'God bless America' is playing once more."
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.
The blog empirestrikesblack cites Belgian investigative journalist Michel Collon who has outlined five principles driving war propaganda:
NeoMcCarthyism campaign which was launched around mid 2016 by Democratic Party operatives as tactical tool to distract attention from DNC corruption and illegal removal of Bernie Sanders from the Democratic ticket after lection of Trump turned into important component of color revolution against Trump. And was fueled not only by MSM but also powerful factions of neoliberals and neocons in US intelligence agencies concerted about their future and the level of financing of "national security parasites". They also have skeletons in the closet to hide (especially FBI and CIA) and did not prepare well to the Trump victory as this was a huge surprise for everybody including Trump himself. See Steele dossier and Strzok-gate
Please note that the original McCarthyism campaign lasted more then a decade. And McCarthyism was not exactly or only about Communist infiltration into the US government. It has elements of a more general framework of suppressing any "dissidents" who question "official narrative" and simultaneously served as the framework of brainwashing of population creating a stereotype of enemy, in best Bolsheviks, or, if you wish Nazi Germany, style. In other words, like in famous Orwell novel 1984, under McCarthyism questioning of official narrative has become a "though crime" (much like it was in the USSR, especially under Stalinism period). And repressions were real, although far less extensive and brutal, than in the USSR in 30th. Thousands of people lost jobs and were blacklisted. Many ostracized, especially from artistic circles, committed suicides.
While Senator McCartney has a certain gist for blackmailing people and, being an alcoholic, he probably would be a suitable candidate for high position in NKVD, he was not a pioneer. He was just a talented follower. This type of modern witch hunt was first implemented on large scale by Bolsheviks in Russia after 1917. Actually Bolsheviks originated many modern methods of brainwashing of the population. Which later were enhanced and further developed in Nazi Germany and than imported to the USA after WWII.
That all brings us to the concept of "deep state" and its control of MSM. The problem with the "deep state" approach to governance is that it replicates Bolshevism on a new, more polished, level, with high officials of intelligence agencies, Wall Street and military industrial complex as a new Politburo. Which is not elected but still controls that nations. So much for remnants of democracy in the USA. That does not mean that some deviations from the "Party line" are impossible: the election of Trump is one such event. But loop at the power of the reaction of the "deep state" on this event. Not that Trump (who can be viewed as some kind of Republican "Change we can believe in" Obama" ) was intended to follow his election promises in any case. The level of vetting of candidates is two party system probably is higher then many of us suspect.
As currently there is no alternative to neoliberalism, the current situation will continue to exist. Notwithstanding the fact that neoliberal ideology was discredited after 2008 financial crisis, much like Bolshevism in 60th. Bolshevism as a theocratic ideology was essentially dead after WWII (although it managed to kick the can down the road for another 45 years). After 60the Soviet people despite constant brainwashing started to have wide-ranging doubts about the communist state and communist ideology. Listening to state-sponsored propaganda radio-stations from the West such as BBC and Voice of America became national pasture of Soviet citizens, especially educated one. Despite all the jamming. Similar situation happened with the USA after 2008, when citizen suddenly start showing some level of interest RT broadcasts and views on internal situation in the USA ;-). And, of cause, all this needs to be stopped. In the name of the "health of the state", democracy be dumned (religious term which literally means "condemned to eternal punishment")
In this particular sense, imitating the enemy by the USA elite after WWII, which was done to fight communist threat (which was overblown) was a very dangerous course with far reaching consequences. The new level of this process of "imitating the enemy" now started with the USA -- the rise of alternative press (kind of Samizdat replica from Soviet past) and clumsy attempt of the deep state to suppress it claiming that they are propagator of "fake news" with the subtext that they are Russian agents (the campaign which spectacularly backfired: which the help of President Trump tweets this term now became the standard nickname of the "official" US MSM). That brings us directly to revising Stalin's "Show trials" and corresponding witch-hunt in the USSR. Appointing Muller to investigate Trump for "Russian connection" (so called "Russiagate") replays favorite theme of accusing enemies of Stalin of being British agents. On a new level incorporating set of political technologies of overthrowing the legitimate government commonly known as "color revolution" technologies. But in both cases it is all about eliminating political rivals.
In broader context the current practice of manipulating population is similar to "high demand cults" style practice -- Bolshevism actually can be best viewed as a religious cult merged with the political movement, much like political Islam today ( Belief-coercion in high demand cults ):
They use all of the techniques as "low demand" faith groups use: requiring members to accept a system of beliefs, conforming to certain behavioral norms; expecting them to involve themselves in the life of the congregation, etc. However, mind-control groups add many additional methods, and take them all to a much higher level. Some are:
- Members' access to outside information is severely restricted
- Their thoughts, beliefs and emotions are tightly controlled by:
- stress; e.g. long hours of work; little or no free time
- restricting sleep
- requiring endless repetition of prayers
- auto-hypnotic exercises
- generation of fear and paranoia; viewing the outside world as threatening
- restricting criticism of the leadership or group policies
- Their behavior may be controlled by:
- public shaming and humiliation
- requiring personal confessions
- isolation from outside contacts, including their family of origin
Members are not physically restrained from leaving the group. They are not held prisoner. They can walk away at any time. But there are strong pressures to remain. If they left, all social and emotional support would disappear; they will often be shunned. Some groups teach that God will abandon or punish them if they leave. They may be told that they will die in the imminent war of Armageddon if they leave the protection of the group.
The main methods here always was the generation and totalitarian control of "suitable" narrative (that's why Sheldon Wolin called neoliberal society "inverted totalitarism"):
"The primary aim of official propaganda is to generate an "official narrative" that can be mindlessly repeated by the ruling classes and those who support and identify with them. This official narrative does not have to make sense, or to stand up to any sort of serious scrutiny. Its factualness is not the point. The point is to draw a Maginot line, a defensive ideological boundary, between "the truth" as defined by the ruling classes and any other "truth" that contradicts their narrative. "
Gerald Celente coined the term "presstitutes", which is obviously politically incorrect, but still is a very precise term: presstitutes sell themselves to neoliberal establishment for access and governments to prosper financially and to keep their jobs. In the USSR journalist were called "soldiers of the Party" so in the less humiliating way we can call them "soldiers of neoliberal establishment" ;-).
Due to the size an introductory article was converted to a separate page Neoliberal Propaganda
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Jul 22, 2019 | jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com
"The press of the United States? It is a parasitic growth that battens on the capitalist class. Its function is to serve the established by moulding public opinion, and right well it serves it.
I know nothing that I may say can influence you. You have no souls to be influenced. You are spineless, flaccid things. You pompously call yourselves Republicans and Democrats. There is no Republican Party. There is no Democratic Party.
There are no Republicans nor Democrats in this House. You are lick-spittlers and panderers, the creatures of the Plutocracy.
You talk verbosely in antiquated terminology of your love of liberty, and all the while you wear the scarlet livery of the Iron Heel."
Jack London, The Iron Heel
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Jul 22, 2019 | www.zerohedge.com
Former FBI Director James Comey has been under investigation for misleading President Trump - telling him in private that he wasn't the target of an ongoing FBI probe, while refusing to admit to this in public.
According to RealClearInvestigations ' Paul Sperry, "Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz will file a report in September which contains evidence that Comey was misleading the president " while conducting an active investigation against him.
Even as he repeatedly assured Trump that he was not a target, the former director was secretly trying to build a conspiracy case against the president, while at times acting as an investigative agent . - RCI
According to two US officials familiar with Horowitz's upcoming report on FBI misconduct, Comey was essentially "running a covert operation" against Trump - which began with a private "defensive briefing" shortly after the inauguration. RCI 's sources say that Horowitz has pored over text messages between the FBI's former top-brass and other communications suggesting that Comey was in fact conducting a "counterintelligence assessment" of the president during their January 2017 meeting in New York.
What's more, Comey had an FBI agent in the White House who reported the activities of Trump and his aides, according to 'other officials familiar with the matter.'
The agent, Anthony Ferrante, who specialized in cyber crime, left the White House around the same time Comey was fired and soon joined a security consulting firm, where he contracted with BuzzFeed to lead the news site's efforts to verify the Steele dossier, in connection with a defamation lawsuit. -RCI
According to the report, Horowitz and his team have examined over 1 million documents and conducted over 100 interviews - including sit-downs with Comey and other current and former FBI and DOJ employees. "The period covering Comey's activities is believed to run from early January 2017 to early May 2017, when Comey was fired and his deputy Andrew McCabe, as the acting FBI director, formally opened full counterintelligence and obstruction investigations of the president."
McCabe's deputy, Lisa Page, appeared to dissemble last year when asked in closed-door testimony before the House Judiciary Committee if Comey and other FBI brass discussed opening an obstruction case against Trump prior to his firing in May 2017. Initially, she flatly denied it , swearing: "Obstruction of justice was not a topic of conversation during the time frame you have described." But then, after conferring with her FBI-assigned lawyer, she announced: " I need to take back my prior statement ." Page later conceded that there could have been at least "discussions about potential criminal activity" involving the president . -RCI
Comey coordination
Sperry notes that Comey wasn't working in isolation on the Trump effort. In particular, Horowitz has looked at the January 6, 2017 briefing on the infamous 'Steele Dossier' - a meeting which was used by BuzzFeed, CNN and others to legitimize reporting on the dossier's salacious and unsubstantiated claims .
Comey's meeting with Trump took place one day after the FBI director met in the Oval Office with President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden to discuss how to brief Trump -- a meeting attended by National Security Adviser Susan Rice, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates and National Intelligence Director James Clapper, who would soon go to work for CNN. -RCI
While Comey claims in his book, "A Higher Loyalty" that he didn't have "a counterintelligence case file open on [Trump]," former federal prosecutor and National Review columnist Andrew McCarthy notes that just because Trump's name wasn't on a formal file or surveillance warrant doesn't mean that he wasn't under investigation.
"They were hoping to surveil him incidentally, and they were trying to make a case on him," said McCarthy. " The real reason Comey did not want to repeat publicly the assurances he made to Trump privately is that these assurances were misleading . The FBI strung Trump along, telling him he was not a suspect while structuring the investigation in accordance with the reality that Trump was the main subject ."
What's more, the FBI couldn't treat Trump as a suspect - formally, as they didn't have the legal grounds to do so according to former FBI counterintelligence lawyer Mark Wauck. " They had no probable cause against Trump himself for 'collusion' or espionage ," he said, adding "They were scrambling to come up with anything to hang a hat on, but had found nothing."
What remains unclear is why Comey would take such extraordinary steps against a sitting president . The Mueller report concluded there was no basis for the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theories. Comey himself was an early skeptic of the Steele dossier -- the opposition research memos paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign that were the road map of collusion theories -- which he dismissed as "salacious and unverified." -RCI
According to House Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA), Comey and the rest of the FBI's top team (including Peter Strzok and Lisa Page) were attempting to "stop" Trump's presidency for political reasons.
"You have the culmination of the ultimate spying, where you have the FBI director spying on the president, taking notes [and] illegally leaking those notes of classified information" to the MSM, said Nunes in a recent interview.
Read the rest of Sperry's report here .
AI Agent , 4 minutes ago link
MoreFreedom , 8 minutes ago linkThey will whitewash Comey. The deep state is alive and well, the DoJ and the FBI are as corrupt as they were the day before Trump took office.
Why do I say this? Well, the canary hasn't fallen off her perch yet. Hillary Clinton is still singing her song, and even making noises like she's going to run again, and she's not in prison. They have her solid on over a hundred felony counts of mishandling classified documents and they've not touched her. Proof of life that the Deep State is still in power.
SgtShaftoe , 4 minutes ago linkSo, was the Steele dossier the ex post facto excuse for illegally spying on Trump, or was it the ex post facto diversion for ALL of Obama's spying on politically powerful people, which we know included spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee, spying on reporters, and spying on Trump. I'll bet Obama hopes the investigation doesn't get into all of his spying activities, and I wouldn't be surprised government officials in charge of the spying equipment are keeping it covered up because they don't want to lose their jobs (for either allowing such to happen, or because they fear the spying apparatus will be eliminated).
Did Obama also spy on SCOTUS justices, Congressmen, other Senators and other rich and powerful people? I'll bet he did, because we haven't seen all the unmasking documentation, and Obama took it to his library so no one can see it (at least so he thinks). Further, look at the way Brennan, Clapper, Comey and Rice are disparaging Trump (they protest too much). And look at how all the allegations about Trump are blowing right back into the faces of the Democrats who've shown their MO is to accuse their political opponents, of the illegal activity in which the Democrats are engaged.
They need to go to jail, for a long time, if not be executed for treason.
dcmbuffy , 10 minutes ago linkDid Obama spy on SCOTUS justices, et al? - Yes. Look up project HAMR or "Hammer". MI5/6 was spying on all Americans comms to circumvent legal frameworks (5 eyes). Google is now fully Chinese intelligence - TREASON. It's coming and it's gonna blow most people's minds.
peippe , 9 minutes ago linki at least agree with him on this one thought.
Playtime's Over , 8 minutes ago linkyou realize J.Edgar probably said the above with a smile on his face.
radar99 , 13 minutes ago linkbeen going on for longer than Obongo, but he put an inner cooled turbo on it.
SgtShaftoe , 8 minutes ago linkit all started with Obama. Time to investigate him and hang him for treason
Indelible Scars , 13 minutes ago linkIt started a very long time ago. 1913 was a notable date, so was JFK's assassination. So was 9/11. So was Operation Paperclip. These monsters have been slithering around a while. Now it's time for them to go bye-bye. Dark to Light. Execute.
JaxPavan , 14 minutes ago linkB-B-But Nadler said...
JaxPavan , 13 minutes ago linkThis goes back to Obama asking MI6 to surveil Trump and his campaign, and to continue it past the inauguration.
JaxPavan , 6 minutes ago linkcorrection: GCHQ
Comey is just the political class operative who they brought in to save Scooter Libby's butt in the Valerie Flame leak. Then he got a seven figure job as a reward at a hedge fund (with no prior experience in the financial industry). Then, they took him off the bench to be FBI director.
The larger problem is that the "five eyes" system is broken in favor of British surveillance and interference in our elections, and, the Patriot Act practice of "masking" is a complete violation of the fourth amendment and a fraud. From a fourth amendment analysis, it's like letting the police search everyone's house every day as long as they don't look at the name on the address.
That our broken secrecy system effectively legalized Watergate under Obama and the "five eyes" is the real problem that needs fixing.
Stainless Steel Rat , 1 hour ago link
StiffLittleFinger , 39 minutes ago linkThree Things We Know For Sure
1. Trump did not collude with Russia
2. Mueller was sent on a witch hunt
3. Somebody's going under the bus
If not Comey, then who?
Equinox7 , 45 minutes ago link“I executed the session exactly as planned,”* Comey reported back to his “sensitive matter team.”
*in the meeting with Obama the day before
valerie24 , 21 minutes ago linkThis investigation would explain why Comey, Brennan, and other members of Barry Obama's regime are very quiet, while Congressional Democrats are freaking out. The end of the Deep State is starting.
carbonmutant , 1 hour ago linkLet’s hope so. The clock is ticking and this needs to happen by early 2020 or it won’t happen at all.
punchasocialist , 43 minutes ago linkAre Comey's phones being bugged?
Does the DOJ investigate British agents? Serious question.
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Jul 22, 2019 | www.theamericanconservative.com
Brabantian says: May 6, 2019 at 2:39 am
Another item here, is the file which the US Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz acknowledged receiving a few months back, a file detailing alleged criminal acts of Robert Mueller himself.
The file was referenced in President Trump's tweets, a photo meme of Mueller in jail, and the President saying, "Heroes will come of this, and it won't be Mueller"
File talks about Mueller indulging big crimes as FBI director, helping Mueller's own eventual law firm to defraud millions out of a Hillary donor, with bribery of two USA federal judges, & threats to kill an ex-DOJ employee, with Mueller getting a big payday after he indulged it all as FBI chief, Mueller getting funds channeled from a criminal outfit based in the UK.
'Report on evidence of felonies violating Civil Rights, and bribery by foreign agents, implicating United States Special Counsel Robert S Mueller III as a criminally-tainted agent of foreign & racketeering interests'
https://www.docdroid.net/eVAAjIq/doj-ig-memo-mueller-bribery-extortion.pdf
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Jul 22, 2019 | www.moonofalabama.org
somebody , Jul 22 2019 9:16 utc | 114
Malaysia explains why it has a different opinion on MH17MH17 as a pretext for NATO to "recover the plane and the victims" makes sense.
dh-mtl , Jul 22 2019 15:26 utc | 158
somebody | Jul 22 2019 9:16 utc | 114Thanks for the link to the John Helmer article.
If I understand this article correctly, MH17 was not just a Ukrainian operation, but a NATO operation, with the objective of using it as a false-flag operation to justify the launching a 9000 troop NATO invasion to capture the rebel-held territories and Crimea. This operation was averted at the last minute because the Malaysians got to the crash site first, and signed an agreement with the Donbass rebels to take the black-boxes and secure the site, thus removing the excuse for the invasion (protect the evidence from destruction), and because the Germans would not go along with a NATO invasion.
If this is true, it goes a long way to explain why the countries involved in the investigation have so vehemently been covering up for the Ukranian Nazis. Rather, they've been covering up their own tracks.
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Jul 22, 2019 | www.moonofalabama.org
William Gruff , Jul 22 2019 14:14 utc | 148
"...real fear or anguish..." in fact only exist in people's heads. Identity politics poisoned neolibs like to externalize these sensations as being tangible features of the physical (non-metaphysical and non-imaginary) world. They are not.More topically, the corporate mass media excels at manufacturing "real fear or anguish" . The farce taking place in HK is a perfect example of this, but we can see similar examples elsewhere like Venezuela where well-fed upper middle class Venezuelans are convinced beyond reason that Venezuelans (others that they don't know) are starving, or like in Ukraine where western Ukrainians were certain in their anguish that eastern Ukrainians were being killed by Russians. Many Americans are still experiencing very "real fear or anguish" that Russians are wrecking their sham "Democracy™" . As real as this may seem to the delusional and hysterical, it is still delusion and hysteria.
The corporate mass media exists solely to manufacture megatrends in society. Whether that is to manufacture mass cravings for a particular color and artificial flavor of carbonated corn syrup water or to manufacture the "real fear or anguish" that we are threatened by scary "others" to get the herd to crowd around symbols of security, the overall purpose is the same: Serve the interests of the big business elites.
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Jul 22, 2019 | www.theamericanconservative.com
Like all those soon to occupy positions of power in the EU, von der Leyen did not run in the recent European elections for the position she is about to hold. She did not participate in the debates in front of various national electorates. But she was chosen -- after the elections -- by the political class in Brussels, ostensibly for her faith in and loyalty to the European superstate, and personally to the German chancellor Angela Merkel.
Since 2013, von der Leyen has been the German defense minister. During that time, a parliamentary report exposed German planes that can't fly and guns that don't shoot. Fewer than a fifth of Germany's helicopters are combat ready. Luftwaffe revealed that most of its 128 Typhoon jets were not ready to leave ground. All of Germany's six submarines were out of commission.
Another report by the Rand Corporation , a think tank, revealed that it would take Germany a month to mobilize in the case of a Russian invasion of the Baltic States. Von der Leyen is very unpopular in the German army , but very popular with the Eurocrats. She's a fervent supporter of a European army and a "United States of Europe" -- the ultimate qualification for being president of the European Commission.
But there is more to the von der Leyen story. As Politico recently reported , "an investigative committee of the German parliament -- the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds -- is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals."
The scent of corruption is a common element among those who are to hold key positions in the European Union over the next few years. Josep Borrell, minister of foreign affairs for the socialist government of Spain, was fined 30,000 euros for insider trading. He is expected to hold the foreign policy post in the European Commission.
Christine Lagarde, most recently chief of the IMF, was involved in the case of an arbitration panel that awarded a massive payout to a French tycoon while she was the finance minister of France. A special court for ministerial misconduct found her guilty of "negligence" but "waived any punishment or criminal record, citing her 'international reputation' and role in dealing with 'the international financial crisis.'" A marvelously L'état, C'est Moi form of legal reasoning. Lagarde is expected to be the next president of the European Central Bank.
The common threads of corruption, incompetence, and lack of accountability are what unites a political class that has divorced itself from the concerns of the average European. In the last days before her confirmation, von der Leyen pursued a charm offensive that included a commitment to a "Green New Deal," a continuation of an open borders policy , and a further deepening and enlargement of the European superstate. This included the story of her having offered hospitality to a Syrian immigrant who "now speaks German fluently."
Emmanuel Macron: Trade Wars for Me, But Not for Thee Voters in Europe Just Smashed the Mainstream EstablishmentObviously von der Leyen would never have won the May elections running on an agenda like that. But of course, she never had to run a campaign to win the votes of the peoples of Europe. The campaign that she did run was premised on her having built "an extensive international network in politics and business," as another Politico story put it .
Von der Leyen thrived in the networking atmosphere of World Economic Forum meetings, where she "serves on the organization's board of trustees," Politico noted, adding, "She's also forged close ties to powerful figures outside the world of politics, most notably Bertelsmann, Europe's largest media company, which owns RTL, the Continent's largest commercial broadcaster, book publisher Random House and a stable of magazines."
A senior Green quoted for the article said her fluency in French has helped her establish a rapport with the French political class that is unrivaled in Berlin.
It's clear that von der Leyen's domestic record appears to have had little effect on her election -- what matters is that she is universally liked by the who's who. "What matters most in these circles is the personal connection," said an adviser to the leader of one of the EU's smaller member states.
Those who count and those who are to be ruled are not the same group of people. That seems to be the essence of modern European politics: a political class and ideological cult that masquerades as a competent technocratic elite, despite its long and disastrous history. Von der Leyen's terrible record as defense minister meant nothing. Neither did Lagarde's record as head of the IMF, where, for instance, the Greek debt crisis was transformed into a social catastrophe. The deciding factor was their dedication to something that "those who count" are committed to. Elections are merely a necessary, archaic ritual of legitimization.
Napoleon Linarthatos is a writer based in New York.
On Monday 22 July 1940, a major meeting was held at the Reich Economic Ministry in Berlin, under the chairmanship of Minister Walther Funk, to discuss a directive issued by Hermann Göring on 22 June, concerning the organization of a Greater European Economic Area under German leadership. The Germans were well advanced with their plans for a post-war settlement. One of the difficulties of planning lay in the fact that the Führer's aims and decisions were not yet known and the military measures against Britain were not yet concluded.Lars • 10 hours agoPlus ça change........
What? A techno-managerial clique ruling the rest of us Great Unwashed (see "Deplorables")? It couldn't happen here, could it? It's OK if they went to the right schools, isn't it?genocidal_maniac • 10 hours agoToo much use if the word disastrous. Disastrous is what Wilhelm II did to the German empire. This is not disastrous, but it is concerning like a rudderless ship.Salt Lick • 7 hours agoToday's Holy Roman Empire.Sid Finster • 7 hours agoVoltaire's comment back then still rings true."It was neither Holy, Roman nor an Empire."
Don't be asinine. Russia is not going to invade anything and has no claim on any part of western Europe. The only thing the German military is good for is for sucking up additional budgetary funds.SteveM • 6 hours agoAnother report by the Rand Corporation, a think tank, revealed that it would take Germany a month to mobilize in the case of a Russian invasion of the Baltic States.For the sake of completeness, the Rand Corporation is actually a marketing arm of the Pentagon fully funded by the U.S. government.
That said, Germany's military readiness directly relates to the invasion threat from Russia Europe actually faces. I.e., ZERO. Washington should take note but of course it won't because there is no money in it for the American Merchants of Death. And the Generals inside the Pentagon just have too much fun fear-mongering about illusory existential enemies.
Of course that does not dismiss the charges of cronyism and corruption associated with Ursula von der Leyen. But re:
But there is more to the von der Leyen story. As Politico recently reported, "an investigative committee of the German parliament -- the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds -- is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight , and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals."Yet another U.S. mirror image. Because that is exactly how inside baseball works in the Pentagon acquisition system. von der Leyen as a European Hack is no worse than the Washington / Pentagon Hacks on the other side of the Atlantic. Note, MIC lifer and Raytheon parasite Mark Esper currently sitting in the Big Seat in the Pentagon. You can be sure that DoD reform is way down on his bucket list.
The real story is that taxpayers on both NATO poles are played for chumps by the Power Elites.
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Bardon Kaldian , says: July 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm GMT
Holo-deniers are bonkers. There is not much to discuss here. They're like flat-earthers, just more amusing.However, there are some things I see rarely mentioned
They, holo-deniers, are mostly from North America & Western Europe. They see all this warfare at the Eastern front as something exotic, strange, alien & incomprehensible. It seems they are incapable of comprehending reality of that part of war (which was the most savage war after Mongol invasions). Instead, they juggle with some half-truths & fictions, long since debunked as Soviet & American propaganda, for their own purposes. Yet- no serious man (or historian) thinks that extermination of European Jewry was a myth, a story invented for sinister Jewish purposes. For instance, I don't see a serious effort to debate numbers of Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, . who perished in that war (nor Germans or Japanese, for that matter). Simple demography refutes holo-deniers.
You won't find normal people in Central & Eastern who deny that Jews, their neighbors, had been exterminated, one way or another. Figures of victims vary, but not that much – perhaps 20%, not more. Then, it is extremely difficult to ascertain how many people, by nationality, perished in those vast swaths of earth from Poland to the Urals. Further east, when we come to Cambodia & China- it is next to impossible.For Jews, a few things are evident: the shoah & Auschwitz are their central anti-corrosives in the modern world. Old faith has, except in pockets, all but vanished & most ethnic Jews in Western world don't believe in that set of tales. So, they're assimilating & the Auschwitz – as the state of mind – presents an emotional rallying point; a huge asset indeed. Just- it seems even that doesn't work in keeping them together: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-s-education-minister-says-intermarriage-is-like-a-second-holocaust-1.7486330
Last year, Agriculture Minister Uri Ariel, member of the National Union – one of the member parties to the Union of Right-Wing Parties, sent a letter to employees at his ministry discussing the "assimilation Holocaust." According to Ariel, "During the Holocaust, we've lost about six million Jews. Without at all comparing the two, we're losing a part of our people to assimilation."
Fellow National Union member Eli Ben Dahan said in 2014, while he was deputy minister for religious affairs, that intermarriage are "a silent Holocaust. We must remember that the Jewish people, unfortunately, has gone through a Holocaust. It has been diminishing over the past century In Europe we have as much as 80 percent intermarriages; in the United States it's 66 percent. It's horrible."
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S , says: July 16, 2019 at 3:33 pm GMT
..no one complains more often or at greater volume than American Jewish groups intent on preserving the benefits that are derived from always being able to claim their perpetual victimhood.
Utilizing accusations of faux guilt as both a shaming weapon towards other(s), and, more importantly for the accusers, a negative means of social control (via fear and terrorization) of one's own people, has happened before, as in the case of the United States and it's Civil War, fought 1861-1865.
And, too, when a cause is morally dubious, it is sometimes necessary to augment it with something anything.
The below excerpt was published in The Atlantic Monthly (now known simply as The Atlantic ) in October, 1870, in an article entitled 'Our Israelitish Brethren'. In more modern English the title would translate as 'Our Jewish Brothers'. 'Brethren', or brothers, is an apparent reference to the unfortunate belief by some Anglo-Saxons that they were of the 'Lost Tribes of Israel'.
The reference in the emboldened portion to 'huge Andersonville outrages' is to the South's Andersonville POW camp for captured Union soldiers. The accusations regarding planned systematic mass murder at Andersonville, surrounded with much talk about 'cattle cars', the manufacture of leather wallets from the human skin of 'murdered' Union prisoners, 'poisonous injections' disguised as health measures, the wanton shooting down of prisoners by the commanding officer, the setting upon prisoners of large and ferocious dogs for sport, all constituting 'crimes against humanity', for which the declared intention had been to execute, via hanging, the entirety of the upper echelons of the defeated South's political and military leadership.
Those plans ultimately fell through, and the accusations regarding Andersonville are now generally, albeit quietly, acknowledged not to have been true.
All too late, though, for the solitary and hapless Henry Wirz, the commanding officer at Andersonville, who would be hanged in 1865 as a scape goat for Union pique regarding it's huge war time losses in what was ultimately a largely morally dubious economic war, a war not in any way, shape, or form, in the interest of the vast majority of the public 'North' or 'South', ie the North's far more profitable wage slavery (so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration'), vs the South's far less profitable chattel slavery.
The hanging was 'botched', and as Wirz slowly strangled to death, the last words he would hear on this earth uttered by the mouths of hundreds of watching Union spectators, were the chants of 'Andersonville!', 'Andersonville!!', 'Andersonville!!!'
'Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries, -- the huge Andersonville outrages, -- few readers need to be reminded.'
The Atlantic Monthly (October, 1870) – Our Israelitish Brethren
Who can estimate the reparation which Christendom owes this interesting and unoffending people? How abundant, how untiring, should be our charity in judging the faults of character which our own superstition has created or developed!
Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries, -- the huge Andersonville outrages, -- few readers need to be reminded. In the slaughter of the Jews of Seville, in 1391, thirty-five hundred families were murdered. In 1492, under Ferdinand and Isabella, three hundred thousand heroic Israelites preferred exile to apostasy.
Many of them found a resting-place only in the grave or in the depths of the sea; for neither Portugal nor Italy nor Mohammedan Morocco would tolerate the presence of a people who would not comply with their superstitions, and who, by their frugality, continence, temperance, and industry, absorbed the wealth of every country in which they lived.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1870/10/our-israelitish-brethren/306257/
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A friend of mine recently commented that if the current trend to reduce the study of history in schools to easily digestible politically correct soundbites that are being successfully pushed by social justice warriors continues, we will soon be limited to discussing how horrible slavery was, the Stonewall Inn riots and the so-called holocaust. Indeed, it seems that those who complain the loudest are the only ones listened to and no one complains more often or at greater volume than American Jewish groups intent on preserving the benefits that are derived from always being able to claim their perpetual victimhood.
Recent media accounts from Florida detail how low pandering to Israeli and Jewish interests can go. A high school principal identified as Dr. Willian Latson was removed from his position after he revealed to a parent that he considered the holocaust to be a belief and not a demonstrated fact. According to statement made by the school district, the action was taken "out of an abundance of concern" for students and staff after Latson had "made a grave error in judgment." It added that "In addition to being offensive, the principal's statement is not supported by either the School District Administration or the School Board."
The story took place in the School District of Palm Beach County. Latson, now the ex-principal of Spanish River High School in West Palm Beach, presided over his school in a heavily Jewish district that includes Boca Raton. Latson is currently being considered for reassignment by the school district though there are have also been recurring calls from county and state legislators to fire him, which will undoubtedly occur.
The tale is somewhat convoluted and there are some disagreements about what actually took place, but it goes basically like this: roughly one year ago a high school parent, unidentified but presumably Jewish, emailed Latson asking him to confirm that holocaust education was a top priority in Spanish River H.S. He responded by email that the school has a "variety of activities" for holocaust education but "Not everyone believes the Holocaust happened. And you have your thoughts, but we are a public school and not all of our parents have the same beliefs." He added that an educator has "the role to be politically neutral but support all groups in the school I can't say the Holocaust is a factual, historical event because I am not in a position to do so as a school district employee."
After the emails were revealed to school officials, presumably by the parent, a year-long investigation commenced in which Latson apologized for having caused offense, saying his emails "did not accurately reflect my professional and personal commitment to educating all students about the atrocities of the Holocaust." The school board initially ruled that he had not done anything meriting disciplinary action or a reprimand, but the story did not end there. Simultaneously, an online petition which eventually included 6,000 signatures was initiated demanding Latson's replacement and he was subsequently removed from his position. The school board officials justified their change of course by citing his apparent unwillingness to comply with instructions, stating that they previously had ordered him to "expand the Holocaust curriculum at Spanish River and ordered him to spend 'several days at the United States Holocaust Museum to increase his personal knowledge.'"
Latson responded that his emails and comments were not "accurately relayed" to the media: "I have been reassigned to the district office due to a statement that was not accurately relayed to the newspaper by one of our parents. It is unfortunate that someone can make a false statement and do so anonymously and it holds credibility but that is the world we live in."
His statement implicitly blaming a school parent generated new problems for Latson with two Palm Beach County state lawmakers and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) calling for his firing because he had not groveled sufficiently. ADL stated that "ADL had hoped his apology was sincere and Latson could learn from his mistakes. Given that he cannot take responsibility for his actions, Latson should resign, and if not we believe the district should end his employment."
The two state officials, Senator Kevin Rader and Representative Tina Polsky issued a statement saying "By his latest email, Dr. Latson has shown no remorse for his actions and we call on the district to immediately terminate him."
The publication of Latson's comments also unleashed heavy criticism from a broad range of other Florida public officials. Governor Ron DeSantis, who calls himself the most pro-Israel governor in American, joined in with "Look, to act like the Holocaust is a matter of debate, I mean, is just absurd."
Senator Rick Scott called Latson's comments anti-Semitism and tweeted that the "fact that someone charged with educating children would be unable to speak unequivocally on the realities & horrors of the holocaust is incredibly concerning." Jewish State Representative Randy Fine, who recently introduced legislation officially banning "anti-Semitism" in Florida public schools, said "the law does not allow a Holocaust-denier to serve as a public school principal." In a publish statement he expanded on that point, writing that "anti-Semitism by public employees in our K-20 public education system must be treated the same as racism."
The controversy inadvertently revealed the extent to which state law now requires the holocaust to be taught in all Florida public schools. Ironically, Spanish River High has one of the country's most rigorous holocaust education programs with the subject being taught both in ninth- and 10th-grade English classes as well as a component of both U.S. and world history. There is also an elective course as well regular holocaust assemblies for the entire school featuring keynote speakers. After the Latson controversy started, the school district required all 10th graders to read "Night" by Elie Wiesel. There are now plans to add multiple annual assemblies for students in every grade in the school district this year.
So, if you go to school in Florida your English and history courses will be about the holocaust and you will have to attend holocaust assemblies just in case some alleged atrocity has not been described extensively enough in class. Well, when does it end? When does the almost incessant pandering to Zionists and Jewish groups become too much for the deliberately kept-in-ignorance American public to tolerate?
The so-called holocaust was an historical event that took place in Europe seventy-five years ago. It has an established but very debatable narrative that pretty much has been contrived over the past fifty years for political reasons, see Professor Norman Finkelstein's brilliant deconstruction of it in his book "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering." Those inconsistencies in the holocaust story and its general lack of credibility may have been what Latson was referring to.
The imposed holocaust narrative is full of holes and contradictions in terms of who was killed and how, but it is impossible for genuine academics to critique it if they want to stay employed. Books like Wiesel's "Night" are largely works of fiction. The narrative exists to perpetuate the belief in Jewish suffering, which brings with it a number of practical advantages. First, it is regularly deployed to excuse the horrific treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel – Jewish suffering means that the creation of a homeland is a debt that all the world owes to the Jews without regard to what has been done to the area's other inhabitants. Second, guilt over the alleged holocaust means that reparations from countries involved must be continued indefinitely. Currently the Poles are resisting new Jewish claims while the Germans have been paying for years. It is now being asserted that the descendants of so-called holocaust survivors have been genetically psychologically damaged , in the womb as it were, so reparations will presumably continue forever.
Third, holocaust guilt is used in the United States to counter any criticism of what Israel and Jewish groups are up to, as they use their wealth and access to power to corrupt America's institutions and drive the country to needless wars. One might well ask, when confronted by the taxpayer funded holocaust museums that appear to spring up like mushrooms, why so much interest in a possible crime that has nothing to do with the United States? Where are the museums and courses in Florida schools discussing the mass killing that happened on our own shores, the genocide of the native Americans?
Lest we forget, the holocaust industry operates everywhere in America, particularly in the education system. Eight states already have laws mandating holocaust education (California, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Florida, Illinois, Indiana and Michigan) and there is considerable pressure to make it universal in the United States. An alarmed World Jewish Congress (WJC) is urging required holocaust education for everyone everywhere "citing statistics from a 2018 poll revealing half of millennials can't name a single Nazi concentration camp."
A currently circulating WJC petition in Congress expresses concern over the rise in anti-Semitism, with a warning that "the horrors of the Holocaust are fading from our collective memory " A bill to brainwash students so they will not forget, 'The Never Again Education Act ', is currently making the rounds in the House of Representatives. It would make holocaust study mandatory in public schools and set up a Department of Education program that would train teachers to properly instruct students about the story of Jewish suffering.
Yes, the "Never Again Education Act" will soon be sucking up taxpayer money like an enormous vacuum cleaner and creating lots of new jobs for holocaust instructors, who will, of course, all be Jewish. Public schools will be teaching the next generation about what a great place Israel is and how the holocaust justifies vigilant groups like AIPAC and ADL, though it will not mention how they have corrupted the U.S. government and turned America's foreign policy into an Israeli wag-the-dog. But who's complaining? It's good for the Jews, isn't it?
So Dr. William Latson will be unemployed and possibly unemployable because he spoke the truth, a lesson to all of us that one must never cross the red lines established by the wielders of Jewish power in America. One might reasonably currently expect that serial pedophile Jeffrey Epstein will use the holocaust get-out-of-jail-free card in his defense, claiming that his recollection of the event has so traumatized him that he did bad things that he would not have otherwise considered. Poor Jeffrey. He has suffered so much.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is inform@cnionline.org
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A middle school teacher in our area, while teaching about the suffering of the Jews in America, told the class that in the south, where she was from, people use derogatory terms like "jewing" somebody down to describe driving a hard bargain. Next thing we knew, she was leaving the district at the end the year to return to Alabama to care for her aging parents, even though her husband had an excellent job with a local tech firm. A few parents suspected she had been asked to leave just from that one innocent comment and would never be able to get a job anywhere in Western WA.renfro , says: July 16, 2019 at 4:28 am GMTE.A. Ross said in his book The Old World in The New that the Hebrews are consumed by over sensitivity, unscrupulousness and pleasure seeking . Couldn't have found three more accurate terms to describe this tribe, though one might also add narcissism and shamelessness . Ross said this way back in 1914. Things have only gotten worse since, much, much worse now that they are the ruling class.
Nicolás Palacios Navarro , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 4:31 am GMTno one complains more often or at greater volume than American Jewish groups intent on preserving the benefits that are derived from always being able to claim their perpetual victimhood
lol no one but a Jew can find victimhood in absolutely everything.
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Let's dispense with the fiction that everything Trump does is good for Israel. He cares for Israel only so far as his policies toward Israel further his political aims and benefit him, and right now that involves using Israel as a shield for his own racism."exiled off mainstreet , says: July 16, 2019 at 4:43 am GMTThe so-called holocaust was an historical event that took place in Europe seventy-five years ago. It has an established but very debatable narrative that pretty much has been contrived over the past fifty years for political reasons, see Professor Norman Finkelstein's brilliant deconstruction of it in his book " The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering ."
I came across Finkelstein's book purely by chance in the freebie pile of a local used bookstore about a decade ago, when in my mid 20s. It made me a skeptic of Israel, Zionism, and the Holocaust virtually overnight, not to mention drawing my attention to the fact that Jewish power is no tin hat conspiracy theory. In a just world, his book would be required reading for anybody 12 and over.
While I remain a believer that there was a mass murder of Jews perpetrated by Germans, my own belief is that the manner in which this event is commonly portrayed today to be a vast exaggeration. The "six million" figure does not really hold up under scrutiny; my personal guess is that the actual number is no more than one million, and likely closer to the tens of thousands rather than millions. Most of those were probably murdered for being communists or other such political undesirables, rather than for their ethnicity as such; another good amount simply died in the closing months of the war because of supply and food shortages, although I do not discount that a fair amount were targeted for their religion or race.
But even if that were the case, so what? They would not be the first to be targeted in that manner -- nor were they even the last. There is more actual documentation and proof of the Armenian Genocide, for example, as a deliberate race/religion-focused act than there is for the Holocaust. Yet comparatively few peoples or nations seem to care about that event, most tellingly Israel. Meanwhile, the US on a federal level denies or refuses to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Imagine if any American political figure ever publicly vacillated on the subject of the Holocaust?
From my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, but I know that Jewish people were not the only targets. The actual number exterminated is open to interpretation, but a great many were obviously exterminated. Proof that something happened can be seen in comparisons of the ethnic makeup of territories before and after Nazi occupation. Over 3 Million Soviet POW's were also liquidated in Nazi camps and hundreds of thousands of other non-Jewish people were also liquidated.Nicolás Palacios Navarro , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 5:07 am GMTI agree with Dr. Giraldi that these historical incidents, factual or exaggerated, have been exploited to create "get out of jail free cards" for Israeli actions that too closely resemble proven Nazi crimes. Gaza is a sort of ghetto-concentration camp reminiscent of documented Nazi crimes in Poland and elsewhere. Whatever the extent the facts fully support the received view, I agree with the implication that feelings of guilt for Nazi excesses were central to the creation of Israel and think that the Finkelstein book mentioned is a valuable corrective.
I also find it outrageous that any sort of questioning or revisionism is considered taboo despite the traditional existence of constitutional guarantees of free speech, which have been seriously curtailed in recent years. I also deplore identity politics and forced political correctness, recalling George Carlin's view that political correctness was nothing more than polite fascism As for Dr. Latson, he obviously made a serious mistake in the present environment and in the context of events at his school, and I am sure he will be sacked. If traditional rule of law still obtained he would probably be able to continue on as a teacher, but, recalling my studies of the rise of fascism, a new version of it appears to have gradually developed in the "west" during the last 30 years or so.
@Anonymous You got it wrong. Women -- affluent white women, specifically -- crowd the top of the totem pole of grievances along with the Jews. The casual reader of the major periodicals in English, Spanish, French, and German are lead to believe on a daily basis that no being suffers more on this miserable bitch of an Earth than women. Arguably, Latin American and European media are even more zealously fourth-wave feminist than many of the major Anglo-American outlets. And the contagion is quickly spreading to East Asia.Robert Dolan , says: July 16, 2019 at 5:16 am GMTFor example:
http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/AJ201907110001.html
And here in the US, affluent white women have remarkably (and without any dissent) positioned themselves not only as the ne plus ultra of historical victimhood, but have effectively declared themselves honorary "POC", presenting themselves as the spokesfigures for the world's huddled masses of the dusky and "oppressed".
@Nicolás Palacios Navarro Red Cross had boots on the ground, said 270K.The Germ Theory of Disease , says: July 16, 2019 at 5:23 am GMT55 MILLION non-jews died in that war, and you never hear about that.
There was never any order given to kill jews. The jews that died mostly died from typhus and starvation.
The "holocaust" isn't mentioned in the jewish encyclopedia of the time. Also, none of the world leaders of that time period mention anything about a "holocaust" in any of their autobiographies.
Finkelstein says that "The Holocaust" was actually invented around 1967 to provide support for Israel in fighting its' Arab neighbors.
The "holocaust" is essentially a marketing tool to shield the jews and Israel, and to shame the dumb goyim into allowing themselves to be destroyed.
The mass persecution of European Jews by the Nazi regime during the Second World War is an established historical fact. Its origins, its actual scope, extent, methods, parameters and motivating factors are all questions properly explored by scholars and historians, not by activists. Many of these issues have taken a plausibly reliable shape (e.g. historians are reliably certain that killer whales were not used to murder Jews), but some have not. History is a long and patient enterprise.Professional Stranger , says: July 16, 2019 at 5:28 am GMTProper, accurate historical scholarship on matters of this magnitude is never fully settled, and certainly not in the space of a single human lifetime; scholars to this day are still exploring new information regarding such distant events as the Thirty Years War and the Old Kingdom of pharaonic Egypt. To close the book permanently on the exploration of an event like the Jewish Persecution, and declare that "the history is settled" on a scale so recent that there are still living participants, is an act of scholarly abuse so egregious as to constitute a crime of omission against Truth itself.
The fact that it has become literally a crime in many countries to honestly explore these issues in a scholarly context is evidence of "mens rea", consciousness of guilt, on the part of those activists who seek to shut down good-faith discussion and exploit the event for personal and group gain. What do they fear will be discovered? What do they fear to lose by such discoveries?
Furthermore, labeling this Jewish Persecution Event with the mystical, quasi-religious grand title of "the Holocaust" (or, the "Shoah") is in fact a racist act of cultural appropriation, and a theft of historical place. It sacralizes and valorizes a single particular historical catastrophe, which took place among many, many such catastrophes, within the context of the largest war in human history, a war which involved participants on FOUR continents.
The label "Holocaust" is racist propaganda, designed to put the Jewish Persecution at the center of world history, to elevate a single grim historical tragedy well above many other such tragedies, equally deserving of historical attention, and many of them far more deserving. It strongly implies that the suffering of the Jewish people is somehow mystically more important than the suffering of other people's; it strongly evokes the notion that Jewish lives are somehow more valuable than the lives of other peoples.
Finally, this notion that Jewish lives are more valuable than the lives of non-Jews, is in fact a codified Jewish religious belief, well-attested in voluminous citations of Jewish scriptures and Jewish hermeneutical texts. It is not a uniform canonical belief, but it is so widespread among learned doctors of Jewish dogma that it can with confidence be considered a valid and well-known "Jewish religious belief".
Therefore, any law passed by Congress mandating special enforced education practices regarding the Holocaust as an event of somehow uniquely elevated importance would be a law expressing government preference in religious faith, and as such is null and void under the First Amendment.
"One third of the holocaust" by Jewish Historian David Cole. And excellent piece of research.Leslie , says: July 16, 2019 at 6:18 am GMT
https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaustHDVideoHQSoundThis version seems to be fairly original (dated 2006). Beware! There is a new propaganda remake video circulating, nothing like the original.
For those who are not Americans but who have a good grasp of history, this is an amusing point in history, watching the Israelis drawing the Americans into another Jewish disaster brought about by their ongoing arrogance.Biff , says: July 16, 2019 at 6:37 am GMTWhen I read the title the first person that popped into my head was Norman Finklestein, who rightly calls the holocaust an industry, not an official category of history, since the reason it is taught in schools has more of a monetary(think power) value than a historical one. "Industry"Hans Vogel , says: July 16, 2019 at 7:07 am GMTAt best it is a controversy, with non-verifible facts and events. It's probably closer to a religion than a game of football with a real score. But that's life – Bullshit still rules the field. How about some real Bullshit for your kid.
@Anonymous Yes indeed, the victimhood totempole exists and I think you are right to point this out. However, there is more overlap than just Jews and homos: Jews and women (vociferous Jewesses are very numerous), homos and women, women and any of the other categories, illegals and any other category, and so on.Bardon Kaldian , says: July 16, 2019 at 7:17 am GMTIn the end, the totempole serves the interests of the state, since it keeps the population divided (divide and rule, remember) into mutually antagonistic groups. The state itself was the first to initiate this unfortunate categorization, requiring everyone when filling out official documents, to tick the appropriate category: White, African-American (or whatever the current politically correct term is), Hispanic, Hispanic non-white, Native American, Pacific islander, Aleut, Asian etc. I have always found this insulting, derogatory, humiliating and reminiscent of nazi-Germany.
Philip Giraldi's article and all other articles like it, indicate the US has gone full-blown nazi. By the way, this often occurs in history: in the end, the victor always adopts the ways and ideas of the vanquished. That is why it is so important to pick one's battles. That is also why the Chinese are so superior: they always try to avoid open conflict and in doing so have preserved their collective identity.
The Alarmist , says: July 16, 2019 at 8:04 am GMTIt is now being asserted that the descendants of so-called holocaust survivors have been genetically psychologically damaged, in the womb as it were, so reparations will presumably continue forever.
Interesting. This is basically Lysenkoism, i.e. Lamarckism.
Richard B , says: July 16, 2019 at 8:14 am GMTA high school principal identified as Dr. Willian Latson was removed from his position after he revealed to a parent that he considered the holocaust to be a belief and not a demonstrated fact. According to statement made by the school district, the action was taken "out of an abundance of concern" for students and staff after Latson had "made a grave error in judgment." It added that "In addition to being offensive, the principal's statement is not supported by either the School District Administration or the School Board."
Ka-ching!
Exhibit 1 for the plaintiff in his suit for defamation and wrongful constructive termination.
"The ADL stated that "The ADL had hoped his apology was sincere and Latson could learn from his mistakes. Given that he cannot take responsibility for his actions, Latson should resign, and if not we believe the district should end his employment."Richard B , says: July 16, 2019 at 8:41 am GMTWhen have jews ever apologized for anything?
When have jews ever taken responsibility for their actions?
"The two state officials, Senator Kevin Rader and Representative Tina Polsky issued a statement saying "By his latest email, Dr. Latson has shown no remorse for his actions and we call on the district to immediately terminate him.""
When have jews ever shown remose?
"The publication of Latson's comments also unleashed heavy criticism from a broad range of other Florida public officials. Governor Ron DeSantis, who calls himself the most pro-Israel governor in American, joined in with "Look, to act like the Holocaust is a matter of debate, I mean, is just absurd.""
The fact that they can not see that FORCING the study of an histoircal evidence is self-discrediting is yet more proof of how insane and dangerou they are to everyone they come into contact with.
Any country that bows before the alter of Jewish Supremacy Inc. is doomed.
So why do it?
The only answer is that such people have lost the will to live.
But not everyone has.
@Anonymous Great comment. Sad story about the teacher.Anonymous [369] Disclaimer , says: July 16, 2019 at 8:52 am GMTAnd to your list we could add the word Dostoyevsky used to describe them, "mericiless."
Around the time of Ross' book there was a study on criminal pathology conducted in the USA in 1911 and it discusses the jewish inclination toward just that, criminal pathology. I regret to say I don't recall the name of the study. I'm sure it was influential in the 1924 Immigration Act.
In any event, the rise of Jewish Supremacy Inc. is in direct proportion to the rise of psychopathy in the West.
For now, their insanity is in full display in demands to be
1. placed above criticism
2. loved unconditionally
3. blindly obeyedThe fact that they have the power to effecuate these insane demands makes one shudder for the future of our children.
I think JSI is about to find out that not everyone is keen on being their slaves or sacrifices.
The Jews started all this stuff with the "Frankfurt School" (started 1923) crap. Every dirty rotten lousy thing going on today is tied to that stinking, "Jew Think Tank" – including the holocaust hoax.Greg Bacon , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 10:08 am GMTPalm Beach County is directly adjacent to Broward County, which has a large Borg infestation and never seems to run out of incidents that can be traced back to the Tribe.Jacques Sheete , says: July 16, 2019 at 10:12 am GMTMaybe Americans should do a repeat of those Middle Ages types that went around, flagellating themselves on their backs with whips that contained rusty nails and broken pottery, trying to get the Black Death to vanish, but the modern day ones would be moaning about how bad the Jews have it and it's our fault that some died during WWII.
My guess is that even that wouldn't be enough, unless a check of at least 6 gorillion was included each year to Jews.
@Nicolás Palacios NavarroHolocaustPropagandaSurvivor , says: July 16, 2019 at 10:17 am GMTMost of those were probably murdered for being communists or other such political undesirables, rather than for their ethnicity as such; another good amount simply died in the closing months of the war because of supply and food shortages, although I do not discount that a fair amount were targeted for their religion or race.
Two out of three is not bad for a relatively young fellow, especially if you were raised in the the Brainwashed States of America, the Bullshit Capitol of the World. I hope you have sufficient time to follow your inquiries into the truth. Keep reading PG and RU, and you'll keep making excellent progress.
In the case of "the Jewish persecution" in Germany I found that impartial presentation of the facts gradually gave way to so partisan a depictment that the truth was lost. This transformation was effected in three subtle stages. First the persecution of "political opponents and Jews" was reported; then this was imperceptibly amended to "Jews and political opponents"; and at the end the press in general spoke only of "the persecution of Jews". By this means a false image was projected on to the public mind and the plight of the overwhelming majority of the victims, by this fixing of the spotlight on one group, was lost to sight. The result showed in 1945, when, on the one hand, the persecution of Jews was made the subject of a formal indictment at Nuremberg, and on the other hand half of Europe and all the people in it were abandoned to the selfsame persecution, in which the Jews had shared in their small proportion to populations everywhere.
-Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion, page 214-5
I used to have a link to the book, but now all I get is a 404 message.
"When does the almost incessant pandering to Zionists and Jewish groups become too much for the deliberately kept-in-ignorance American public to tolerate?"Greg Bacon , says: July 16, 2019 at 10:22 am GMTIt became too much decades ago.
I haven't seen a more succinct, articulate description of American life under Jewish occupation. Giraldi hits the nail on the head every time.
Here's what the Holocaust Industry is so desperate to cover up, the sickening treatment of the indigenous Palestinians by the Israelis–that claim to be Jews–that have invaded Palestine and turned it into a much more deadlier version of Apartheid South Africa:Stephen Paul Foster , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 10:35 am GMTPoof! One day in occupation causes young Jews on Zionist tour to question Zionism -- 'NYT' reports
We are as critical of the New York Times as anyone, but we need to salute the superb report in the newspaper by David Halbfinger on a liberal Zionist trip for American Jews to see the occupation. Titled, "Touring the Israeli Occupation: Young U.S. Jews Get an Unflinching View," the July 10 article offered horrifying glimpses of Palestinian conditions in Susiya and Hebron that left the young Jews staggered.
Since they toured part of Occupied Hebron, wonder if they visited those streets that have wire and steel barricades over the sidewalks, necessitated by Israelis, living above those streets, that dump chunks of concrete down on the Palestinians passing by?
But that doesn't stop the buckets of human waste the kindly Israelis also dump on the Palestinians.But hey, to think about that is anti-Semitic. That time should be spent worshiping the most Holy Holocaust, Goyim!
The refusal to bow at the altar of Jewish "victimhood" will soon to be completely criminalized here in the U.S. See:Counterinsurgency , says: July 16, 2019 at 10:45 am GMThttp://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2018/10/my-victimhood-is-bigger-than-yours-or.html
@Richard B The Jewish establishment and the various foreigners aren't really the problem. WW I and WW II stunned the Europeans an European descendants, who have had a sort of PTSD for a three generations now. _That's_ the problem.onebornfree , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 10:52 am GMT
R. Unz's article [1] shows that, had solidly Republican California simply arrested a few people (and continued to arrest their replacements) it could have saved itself. The people were not arrested because nobody cared. Politics had already become a game, played by professionals, of being elected rather than a constant and precarious effort to keep civilization (or at least Republican California) alive. The civil population at the time had no interest in politics and was badly frightened by the prospect of yet another central war, this time fought with nuclear weapons. [2]The fourth generation seems to be recovering enough to defend itself, if only because the choice is that or life on gradually diminishing welfare.
Counterinsurgency
1] R. Unz
"American Pravda: The Power of Organized Crime".
First posted 2019/07/15.
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/2] Although i seem to remember, from _Only yesterday_, that in the 1920s the frequent moving from one neighborhood to another made neighborhoods hard for anybody "organize" politically, and that the California populace could be lured to vote by presenting political contests as a horse race (X lead's by a nose! Now Y is moving up in the final stretch! And .. . . It's Seabiscuit!". Watching a human horesrace is not the same as protecting your civilization, as the Californians (and now the Americans) have found out.
P. Giraldi says: "Well, when does it end? When does the almost incessant pandering to Zionists and Jewish groups become too much for the deliberately kept-in-ignorance American public to tolerate?"Zumbuddi , says: July 16, 2019 at 11:17 am GMTIt's not going to end as long as the current, enforced at-the-point-of-a-gun government run "educational" system exists.
@exiled off mainstreet The PhD has to be in something rigorous, like gender studies.Digital Samizdat , says: July 16, 2019 at 11:46 am GMT
If an aeronautics engineer said "from seeing survivor tattoos I am convinced the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, " he/she would be disqualified from folding paper airplanes.. . and the repeated use of "exterminations" -- why that word? Did Germans seek out 3 m. Soviet soldiers as if they were the Terminex man fumigating a rat-infested slum? Or did Stalin send ill-equiped, untrained & poorly fed troops who surrendered in such large numbers that there was no way to cope with them?
Didn't read past the 3rd "exterminate."
@The Germ Theory of Diseasedimples , says: July 16, 2019 at 12:03 pm GMTFurthermore, labeling this Jewish Persecution Event with the mystical, quasi-religious grand title of "the Holocaust" (or, the "Shoah") is in fact a racist act of cultural appropriation, and a theft of historical place.
I'll say! Did you know that the very word 'holocaust' was first coined in 1944 to describe the effects of the incendiary bombs that the allies dropped on the Germans during the war? That's right: 'holocaust' originally referred to a war crime committed against the Germans, not by them. Even well into the 60s, when the word was used, it was usually used with reference the ever-present threat of nuclear war–the so-called nuclear holocaust. It wasn't really until the 70s–a full generation after the war–that the word acquired its present meaning, completely displacing the older ones.
@Bardon Kaldian Yes the inheritance of acquired characteristics is considered to be a massive scientific heresy. If the experiment is repeatable it would blow modern genetics wide open. If the Krauts have any brains they'd be asking for a lot more more evidence before paying out on that one.Miggle , says: July 16, 2019 at 12:11 pm GMTThe state of affairs that provided cover for the "Holocaust" was a wonderful gift the Nazis gave. It allowed the truth at last to be told about the Chmielnitsy rebellion. It was time to admit, for Jews to admit, that the number of Jews killed was less than a tenth of the number previously said to have been killed. And further, when a town with a 99 percent Jewish population was overrun by the Cossacks and the peasants, the Jews were left unharmed because they were simply merchants, had not been involved in the oppression of the peasants. Jewish towns overrun and left unharmed. This truth could be told now because there was a more delicious story to tell. Chmielnitsy was rendered obsolete by its successor, the "Holocaust".Cleburne , says: July 16, 2019 at 12:43 pm GMT@Achilles WannabeSaggy , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 12:47 pm GMTBut I get a sense that the Tribe may be going over the top. They appear to be desperate to ram this Holocaust narrative down our collective throats.
I believe you're on to something here. there is a Holocaust museum in a large Southern city near me. Recently there's been a blitz, so to speak, of billboards and teevee ads encouraging all and sundry to attend to learn about the baleful consequences of 'hate."
Why now? Because their POC pets are turning on (((them)))? because they have internal polling showing people are noticing epstein/weinstein/et cetera? resistance to the Iran war noises? It's all very odd.
This video .Hans , says: July 16, 2019 at 12:59 pm GMThttps://www.bitchute.com/embed/Ul72dV4SbAoh/
begins –
The holocaust is a preposterous hoax that is unsupported by any physical evidence. It is made up of literally millions of lies, but it all rests on one 'big lie'.
The hoax has three main components –
1. The Nazis planned to exterminate the Jews.
2. The Nazis built gas chambers to exterminate the Jews and disguised them as shower rooms.
3. The Nazis killed six million Jews.Each component of the hoax is categorically false and completely without evidence.
1. There was no Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews or anyone else, and no evidence of one has ever been found.
2. The gas chambers disguised as shower rooms are pure phantasmagoria, and there is not a shred of physical evidence for them.
3. The number of Jews killed in the camps for being Jews is zero, and it is well documented that the Nazis aggressively investigate any crime in the camps.That is the hoax, and the reality
The big lie is the photos and film footage that are shown of Jewish prisoners who had been gassed by the Nazis. The truth is that all the photos and film were taken after the war by British and US soldiers, and showed prisoners of all nationalities and religions who had died of tyhpus at the very last weeks of the war, primarily at Belsen where 35,000 died, 10,000 after the camp had been liberated by the British. Further, the Nazis had done everything in their power to combat the epidemic.
The video documents all the above. To understand the holohoax you must study it.
@Jacques Sheete It's available here, Jacques – https://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdfNancy Pelosi's Latina Maid , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:05 pm GMTOne of the great books.
This is a good one and a good template for any of the other Tribe-driven issues tearing down the West:
@exiled off mainstreetHonesty , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:05 pm GMTFrom my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations
So encountering an old woman with a number tattoo proves Nazis exterminated Jews? Not that there were prisoners of war, but that Jews were systematically slaughtered?
Wow, there's a logical leap of faith
As far as Ph.D. research, I'm not sure it has the cachet you think it does.
@giraldiJake , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:06 pm GMTSir, foxnews is reporting that the fake passport recovered in Epstein's locker places him as a resident of Saudi Arabia – and that is from the 80's. What is going on here? This is so weird (and scary). How much of penetration we have from foreign groups in USA, for how long, and why are our politicians not being safeguarded from their influence? Are our intelligence agencies trying to stop that influence? I think this new revelation deserves another article from you. Thank you.
Judaizing heresy not identified and refuted and stopped, rejected thoroughly, leads directly to a world like this one.JohnnyD , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm GMTAnglo-Zionist Empire.
Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. WASP culture is the product of a Judaizing heresy. The British Empire took the secularist form of that Judaizing heresy and planted ir across the globe.
Anglo-Zionist Empire – your Big Brother
With all due respect, I think Norman Finkelstein's.views are being distorted in this article. Finkelstein never questions whether or not the Holocaust occurred. Indeed, he promotes the work of Raul Hillberg, who Finkelstein views as a serious scholar. Also, he always states that the suffering of his parents in the Holocaust is what motivates him to defend the rights of Palestinians. Finkelstein does indeed go after Jewish groups and the State of Israel for using the Holocaust as an idelogical weapon, and he does attack Ellie Weisel as a fraud and hyoprite, but he has never questioned the standard narrative that a systematic extermination of European Jewry occurred during World War II.Hippopotamusdrome , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm GMTYet another controversy, and this will spur yet more fruitless debate. It's endless.Robjil , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:18 pm GMTI'm really starting to wish the Holocaust never happened.
"The Never Again Education Act" is the exact same thing as a "The Santa Claus Education Act". One only has only to believe, no inquiry allowed.John Regan , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:19 pm GMT" The Again and Again Wars for Jewish Zionist Advisor Act" has been put in action endlessly in the past hundred years. The earth is crying out in pain from from this world wide destruction.
" Seven Nations to destroy" is the latest war plan for the most persecuted people on planet earth.
" The Never Again promotion of Wars by Jewish/Zionist Advisors Act" is what the world needs.
WWI was for the Balfour. Zionist Jewish Advisors were at the top of both the British and American governments promoting WWI.
WWII was for Israel. Zionist Jewish Advisors were at the top of both the British and American governments promoting WWII.
Jewish Zionist Oligarchs world wide promoted the Bolshevik take over Russia.
If anything like the big 6 happened, the blame should go at the Jewish/Zionist Advisors that created the conditions for it by promoting two massive world wars.
Will "The Never Again promotion of War by Jewish/Zionist Advisors Act" ever be passed? Now that is a bill that should be passed. Climate Change is peanuts compared to war promotion by Jewish/Zionist Advisors.
@exiled off mainstreetDESERT FOX , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:24 pm GMTOver 3 Million Soviet POW's were also liquidated in Nazi camps and hundreds of thousands of other non-Jewish people were also liquidated.
Only if by "liquidated" you mean died of starvation and disease because food and medical care were inadequate. German logistics in the winter of 1941 were famously a nightmare: if the Wehrmacht couldn't even supply their own troops with adequate winter gear, it's no surprise EPWs fared worse. Though the number of victims you cite is too high. It comes ultimately from the book Keine Kameraden by one Christian Streit, who is often quoted uncritically by mainstream historians who won't (or can't, if they don't read German) check how he actually derived his figures. In fact, he inflates them quite a bit.
Even so, many hundreds of thousands did die. And this, of course, is still a real tragedy. But it was not an intentional genocide, any more than the starvation of even more millions of Germans and Japanese by the Allies after the war. And the Allies didn't have the excuse that they were fighting history's biggest land war while their victims starved in peacetime. See the convincing studies by Alfred De Zayas, most of which have been translated to English, and Stalin's War of Annihilation by Joachim Hoffmann, which our host Ron Unz mentions in his American Pravda series.
The nazis killed millions of not only Jews but Christians and political opponents and in regards to the Jews , the elite Jews helped the nazis kill the Jews to further their goal of a zionist homeland and a case in point is George Soros , who at the age of 14 lived with the nazi commander of Budapest who was in charge of rounding up Jews to be shipped to the death camps, and Soros went with the nazis and pointed out the Jews for the nazis, this is a fact.Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:26 pm GMT@Hans VogelWally , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:27 pm GMTI have always found this [demographic categorization] insulting, derogatory, humiliating and reminiscent of nazi-Germany.
YMMV, but I personally think we should drill down even deeper, e.g. how many Jews? That'd drive 'em nuts, since it's literally against their religion to count a Jew. And it would finally put to bed this 2% nonsense.
Not to mention the current census controversy over how many illegals constitute congressional redistricting.
the US has gone full-blown nazi
For more than a few of us, that's our prayer.
@Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist Nope.Yapius the 2nd , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm GMTIn spite of bans on free speech, which proves that the story is a fraud, rational, scientific Revisionist research has demolished the claims. I mean, that fact IS the reason that free speech on the subject is banned. The absurd narrative does not hold up.
Try me & see.
Also see my comment #10.
Thanks.
Can you say dumb? I have beliefs similar to most of the people in this forum, but I would know better than to allow them to appear under my real name, let alone in professional correspondence! You could also be jailed in much of Europe based on such information. Probably also banned from the schengen zone.Hippopotamusdrome , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm GMTThere are other pieces of forbidden thought and discussion, such as race and IQ. I bet Mr Latson would support those orthodoxies.
@exiled off mainstreetSaggy , says: Website July 16, 2019 at 1:39 pm GMTFrom my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations
Seeing survivors is evidence of extermination. Maybe we have different definitions of the words "survive" and "exterminate".
@JohnnyD Finklestein's story is one of the most remarkable .. from this video .Hippopotamusdrome , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:39 pm GMT
Norm Finkelstein, at U of Waterloo
https://www.youtube.com/embed/6FumYzhktoY?feature=oembed
My father was in Auschwitz
My mother was in Majdanek
Every single member of my family, on my father's side and on my mother's side, was exterminated.Why is the story remarkable? Finklestein was born in 1953 !
@The Germ Theory of DiseaseWally , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:41 pm GMThistorians are reliably certain that killer whales were not used to murder Jews
I would advise people not to publicly say this. Just in case it could get them in trouble. You never know.
@Genrick Yagoda Indeed.Jacques Sheete , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:42 pm GMT
It's claimed that millions upon millions of human remain exists in allegedly known locations , yet those remain are not there.Remember, the claim is "6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 others". That alleged 11,000,000 is equal to the city of London.
The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions upon millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
recommended:
The Rudolf Report / Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz
http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html@ZumbuddiJoaoAlfaiate , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:44 pm GMTIf an aeronautics engineer said "from seeing survivor tattoos I am convinced the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, " he/she would be disqualified from folding paper airplanes.
That piece of "logic" really got my attention as well. I'll be shaking my head over that for quite a while.
PhD my tusch. Heaven help us!
" if the current trend to reduce the study of history in schools to easily digestible politically correct soundbites that are being successfully pushed by social justice warriors continues, we will soon be limited to discussing how horrible slavery was, the Stonewall Inn riots and the so-called holocaust. "Jacques Sheete , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:46 pm GMTYou forgot Rosa Parks.
@John Regan I guess the "PhD" never knew about the Brit starvation blockades that continued for some time after the fighting stopped, but with the logic displayed above, I doubt even knowing the facts would lead to valid conclusions.Truth3 , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:50 pm GMTAnd here we are, with nearly a century of hindsight available!
@exiled off mainstreet What an idiot.Jacques Sheete , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:51 pm GMTTattoos are not placed on people for any other reason than to identify them, if they are incarcerated. You don't tattoo them if you intend to kill them.
The only ones that "exterminated" Soviet POW's were the Jewish NKVD when they returned home.
The so-called HC can't withstand scientific or logical scrutiny, so these things are criminalized.
@Hans Thanks, Hans.Jacques Sheete , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:53 pm GMTI wonder how long it'll take for that link to get fried!
Filthy sob's!
@HolocaustPropagandaSurvivorJacques Sheete , says: July 16, 2019 at 1:58 pm GMTGiraldi hits the nail on the head every time.
True, and I'm grateful for his persistent hammering. Great stuff.
@onebornfreeSparkon , says: July 16, 2019 at 2:00 pm GMTIt's not going to end as long as the current, enforced at-the-point-of-a-gun government run "educational" system exists.
It's worse than that. It won't end until people understand that government is not the messiah, but that will never end because, well, "muh roads !"
Few stop to think beyond dem roadz; my response to "who'll bild dem roadz?" is to ask who'll bomb the children?
@Fiendly Neighbourhood TerroristRobert Dolan , says: July 16, 2019 at 2:02 pm GMTclaims on all sides.
I t is the responsibility of the party making the claim to provide the proof.
Nobody can prove a negative.
Show us the bones.
The "Never Again" program means that whitey will never again have any power whatsoever, and that jews will rule over humanity forever.Richard B , says: July 16, 2019 at 2:04 pm GMTThat is the jewish final solution to white people.
The nose is destroying all of Christendom to render the world "holocaust-proof" and user friendly for the jewish tribe.
Yes, it's insane.
They are batshit crazy for sure.
To make matters even worse, they fancy that GOD wants them to do this.
It's a bad horror film that we live in.
@Counterinsurgency "The Jewish establishment and the various foreigners aren't really the problem. "JayJonahJameson , says: July 16, 2019 at 2:04 pm GMTOnce again, we have the attempt to place Jewish Supremacy Inc. above criticism.
"WW I and WW II stunned the Europeans an European descendants, who have had a sort of PTSD for a three generations now. _That's_ the problem."
It's no coincidence that the denial in the first sentence is followed by an impossible to prove statement in the second sentence.
@Nicolás Palacios Navarro My belief is that 2.5 million Jews were killed by the Nazis, whatever the cause. This could still be described as a holocaust. Also, I do agree that there are some issues with the capital "H" Holocaust. Still, there is entirely too much time and energy spent on the subject. There are far more pressing issues these days .Ilya G Poimandres , says: July 16, 2019 at 10:38 pm GMT@Bardon Kaldian Here is the problem:Bardon Kaldian , says: July 16, 2019 at 11:17 pm GMTThose that do not intentionally peddle lies (they may be wrong, but that is a different issue) discuss things along this line, only dealing with the story:
What?
Where, when?
Who?
Why?
How?The intentional deceiver attack along the line:
Who? (within the story)
Who? (with respect to their debating opposite)
Why? (with respect to their debating opposite)
.
(usually it doesn't get beyond this because the truth seekers debate 'what', don't engage the ad hominem speculation, and one hissy fit return serve later, they are out, but..)
.
Why/how/when/where/what?Your whole point is on 'who', there is no counterpoint to Eisenhower's, Churchill's, De-Gaulle's silence on the issue – even though they should have had the info. No discounting the coke shipment statistics for the crematoria, no discussion of ground water levels and the impossibility of burials (or even discarding of bones), no explanation why Germans neither recorded their acts in documentary fashion, or didn't just throw the helpless 6 million off a cliff (the Mongols, Chinese, Turks would have certainly found a cheaper way to kill 6 million), etc, etc.
We, the revisionists, discuss 'what' first, and 'who' somewhere down the line.
Anyone that pokes the speaker first, fears the words of the speaker. Simple. An intelligent person does not fear false information – it is false.
@John Regan Sorry,but I've already wasted too much time on this irrelevant issue. 1-2 reposts.Robjil , says: July 17, 2019 at 12:59 am GMTI do get Jews' obsession with shoah, but I hardly get "denialists'"" stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists' constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives' is simply unacceptable.
@Bardon Kaldian All of Central and Eastern Europe was a wreck after WWII. There was mass movements of people of all ethnic groups. The largest mass movement after the war was the German one. It was the largest one in human history. Looking at who was in each nation before the war does not prove any genocide. The Jewish H was a mass movement too.Anon [427] Disclaimer , says: July 17, 2019 at 1:03 am GMThttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/expulsion-germans-forced-migration_b_1625437?guccounter=1
14 million Germans were forced to leave their ancestral homes.
Orwell greatly underestimated both the determination and the ambition of the Allied leaders' plans. What neither he nor anybody else knew was that in addition to the displacement of the 7-8 million Germans of the East, Churchill, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin had already agreed to a similar "orderly and humane" deportation of the more than 3 million German-speakers -- the "Sudeten Germans" -- from their homelands in Czechoslovakia. They would soon add the half-million ethnic Germans of Hungary to the list.
Although the governments of Yugoslavia and Romania were never given permission by the Big Three to deport their German minorities, both would take advantage of the situation to drive them out also.
By mid-1945, not merely the largest forced migration but probably the largest single movement of population in human history was under way, an operation that continued for the next five years. Between 12 and 14 million civilians, the overwhelming majority of them women, children and the elderly, were driven out of their homes or, if they had already fled the advancing Red Army in the last days of the war, forcibly prevented from returning to them.
German refugees were put in camps.
From the beginning, this mass displacement was accomplished largely by state-sponsored violence and terror. In Poland and Czechoslovakia, hundreds of thousands of detainees were herded into camps -- often, like Auschwitz I or Theresienstadt, former Nazi concentration camps kept in operation for years after the war and put to a new purpose.
The regime for prisoners in many of these facilities was brutal, as Red Cross officials recorded, with beatings, rapes of female inmates, gruelling forced labour and starvation diets of 500-800 calories the order of the day. In violation of rarely-applied rules exempting the young from detention, children routinely were incarcerated, either alongside their parents or in designated children's camps. As the British Embassy in Belgrade reported in 1946, conditions for Germans "seem well down to Dachau standards."
Death rates were very high for these German refugees in the camps.
Though the death rates in the camps were often frighteningly high -- 2,227 inmates of the Mysłowice facility in southern Poland alone perished in the last ten months of 1945 -- most of the mortality associated with the expulsions occurred outside them.
No trains or cars were used to get these refugees to rump Germany.
Forced marches in which inhabitants of entire villages were cleared at fifteen minutes' notice and driven at rifle-point to the nearest border, accounted for many losses. So did train transports that sometimes took weeks to reach their destination, with up to 80 expellees crammed into each cattle car without adequate (or, occasionally, any) food, water or heating.
No help from Allies even in rump Germany.
The deaths continued on arrival in Germany itself. Declared ineligible by the Allied authorities to receive any form of international relief and lacking accommodation in a country devastated by bombing, expellees in many cases spent their first months or years living rough in fields, goods wagons or railway platforms.
No one knows how many died in these long forced marches.
Malnutrition, hypothermia and disease took their toll, especially among the very old and very young. Although more research is needed to establish the total number of deaths, conservative estimates suggest that some 500,000 people lost their lives as a result of the operation.
Ironically the Nuremberg trials was going on while this happened.
Not only was the treatment of the expellees in defiance of the principles for which the Second World War had professedly been fought, it created numerous and persistent legal complications. At the Nuremberg trials, for example, the Allies were trying the surviving Nazi leaders on charges of carrying out "deportation and other inhumane acts" against civilian populations at the same moment as, less than a hundred miles away, they were engaging in large-scale forced removals of their own.
I remember reading that after "Perestroika" the Russian wartime records were released, which showed that more Christians than Jews died at the wartime labour complex that was Austwich.Igor Bundy , says: July 17, 2019 at 7:58 am GMT(Sorry! I comment so rarely that I forget what name I've commented under in the past. There are so many excellent articals and so many very well informed readers on this site, that I'm honestly a little bit intimidated. I don't have that problem with the Spectator, Telegraph etc. Thank You.
teaching non existent history as factual is what made me disbelieve everything I am taught or most things I read. How can I believe anything these days when anything I look deeper into is found to be a fabrication. Instead of the actual victims being helped a few in the minority uses the falsehood to enrich themselves all the while to oppress others and gain an unwarranted leverage against others. This is inequality in the extreme. Punishing the victims and creating new victims all so a few can live a life of luxury and do what they think is their right to be above others.Commentator Mike , says: July 17, 2019 at 10:16 am GMT@Wally Here start with this:Ilyana_Rozumova , says: July 17, 2019 at 11:15 am GMT"The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau" by Daniel Keren, Harry W. Mazal and Jamie McCarthy in Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Oxford University Press, Volume 18, Number 1, Spring 2004, pages 68-103.
"A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps" by Jan Markiewicz, Wojciech Gubala, Jerzy Labedz, Z Zagadnien Sqdowych z. XXX, 1994, 17-27.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/
"Kalkulierte Morde. Die deutsche Wirtschafts-und Vernichtungspolitik in Weissrussland 1941 bis 1944", Gerlach, Christian,Hamburger Edition, HIS Verlag, 1998.
"Besatzungspolitik und Massenmord. Die Einsatzgruppe D in der sudlichen Sowjetunion 1941-1943". Angrick, Andrej, Zeitschrift fur Geschichtswissenschaft, 2004, Jahr 52 Heft 6, pages 576-577. (Occupation Policy and Mass Murder: Einsatzgruppe D in the Southern Soviet Union 1941-1943. Journal of History, Vol. 52 No. 6.)
"Völkerverschiebung und der Mord an den europäischen Juden", Aly, Götz, Fischer Taschenbuch Verlag, Frankfurt am Main, 1998
"Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Arad, Yitzhak, Belzec, Sobibor, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1999
"AUSCHWITZ: Technique and operation of the gas chambers", Jean-Claude Pressac, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1989
"The Struthof-Natzweiler Camp" by Miloslav Bilik
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/struthof/strut2e.shtml"The Dachau Gas Chambers" by Harry W. Mazal OBE
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/index.htmlMy Response to Carlo Mattogno, By John C. Zimmerman
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/Photographs Documenting the Holocaust in Hungary by László Karsai Ph.D https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/hungarian-photos/index.html
TBCMoi , says: July 17, 2019 at 11:22 am GMT
Nobody did mention tuberculosis so I have to do it.
Grim reaper actually during and after war was working mostly with tuberculosis.
There were no X-ray machines in concentration camps, and cibazol did not cure the tuberculosis.
Kafka himself did die of tuberculosis so most probably his two sisters died of it also,
Strangely enough females died of tuberculosis far quicker than males, and also were more susceptible to catch it.@Anthony Aaron True, but PG is wasting his time because the fact is America loves being Jews' bitch.Jacques Sheete , says: July 17, 2019 at 11:22 am GMT@Fran Taubman Shit also happens when you decide you don't want to be subject to International Communism and when your enemies are the largest empires the world had ever seen.Richard B , says: July 17, 2019 at 11:27 am GMTAlso, have a look at Robjil's comment #274.:
In 1933 , when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam
Stuff also happens when you attempt to control the world too. (That's a hint.) Now, go read the Protocols.
@Counterinsurgency A long-winded, boring and pretentious answer that only goes to further prove my point.Jacques Sheete , says: July 17, 2019 at 12:01 pm GMT@SkeptikalTruth3 , says: July 17, 2019 at 12:12 pm GMTThe genocide of Jews did occur.
Absolute bullshit. Self-serving bullshit in most cases as well. You ought to consider being a little more skeptical.
@Fran Taubman Don't these stinking shit Jooz get nasty when they are 'found out'.Truth3 , says: July 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm GMT@Robjil Disgusting that there are so few American Citizens aware of the Jews' malicious nature and overwhelming control of our Country.Patrikios Stetsonis , says: July 17, 2019 at 12:34 pm GMT@renfro In the mid-time in the northen "israeli" city of Afula parks signs have a clear message:Commentator Mike , says: July 17, 2019 at 12:47 pm GMT"DOGS AND NON- ISRAELIS KEEP OUT"
https://www.rt.com/news/464148-israel-lifts-park-ban-arabs/@Ilya G Poimandres Why, why, why? Why did the Russians allow any Germans to live after what they had done to them? Why do Americans send drones to kill terrorists in Yemen who may or may not have killed US citizens but have not bothered to bring to justice those who attacked USS Liberty? Why didn't the West back the Soviets against Muslims in Afghanistan when now they have to fight those same Muslims there? That kind of reasoning gets you nowhere.Expletive Deleted , says: July 17, 2019 at 1:02 pm GMT@SolontoCroesus The soap fable was merely a retread of WWI British Intelligence atrocity propaganda, disseminated through the Daily Mail , The Times and the like. Beat you to it!Commentator Mike , says: July 17, 2019 at 1:13 pm GMT"The story described how corpses arrived by rail at the factory, which was placed "deep in forest country" and surrounded by an electrified fence, and how they were rendered for their fats which were then further processed into stearin (a form of tallow). It went on to claim that this was then used to make soap, or refined into an oil "of yellowish brown colour". – 17 April 1917″
Although this was purportedly the beastly Hun rendering his own deceased kameraden into materiel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_FactoryAnytime a tale like this is put about, guaranteed it's fake and gay.
If desperate, you can make soap out of a number of native European wild plants and shrubs right out of the box, for instance the .. Soapwort. Or even bracken roots, which aren't exactly in short supply. They could have farmed the stuff if they felt like it. Kelp is another, less effective bodywash source.@Bardon Kaldian Holocaust deniers on UR are the funniest people ever. They spend half their time trying to prove that the Jews deserved to be holocausted and the other half denying that Hitler and his Nazis tried to holocaust them. They have no balls to say they deserved it and they got it. So what good was their idol Hitler they praise to high heaven if he couldn't do the main job he claimed he would do? They want a second coming of Hitler to rid us of the Jews when even the first one couldn't do it. How can anyone take them seriously? Good for a laugh and that's about it.Genrick Yagoda , says: July 17, 2019 at 2:29 pm GMT@turtle Many people do not know that at the Irving V Lipstadt trial David Irving produced the records of the Degesh Corporation regarding shipments of Zyklon B. The amount of Zyklon B shipped to Bullschwitz was exactly the same as the non "death camp" of Oranienburg.Fran Taubman , [AKA "Linda"] says: July 17, 2019 at 2:46 pm GMTIn other words, exactly as much as was required for routine fumigation. No where near enough to snuff 4 garillion Jews with bug spray.
anon [277] Disclaimer , says: July 17, 2019 at 2:48 pm GMTThe principal issue that deniers have disputed is the reason the Bauleitung began to build so many new ovens. Historians have long recognized that the extensive building campaign was because the authorities were committing mass murder and wanted an efficient means of disposing of the bodies as well as structures which could be used to gas prisoners. At the time the building began there were two structures in Birkenau which were used for gassing. They were located in the wooded area behind the camp. There was also a gas chamber in the crematorium located in the main camp which housed the six ovens. [15] Forensic tests done by the Institute For Forensic Research in Cracow, Poland in 1994 found traces of the poisonous hydrocyanic acid in all five crematoria, [16] consistent with a great deal of eyewitness testimony and other documents from Auschwitz which show that these structures were used as gas chambers. [17] The two structures in the wooded area were completely destroyed by the Germans and no trace remains. However, as will be seen later on, there is photographic evidence of one of these structures.
Deniers claim that there were no gassings at Auschwitz. They attribute the principal reason for building so many ovens to other factors. In 1977 Arthur Butz, the best known of American deniers, hinted that typhus was a principal reason for building so many new ovens. However, this hint became explicit, and by 1992 he was attributing the typhus epidemic which swept the camp in the summer of 1942 as the reason for the building campaign. [18] Carlo Mattogno attributes the building campaign to the typhus epidemic and a decision by the camp authorities to greatly expand the population of the camp. [19]
One of the reasons deniers need to make this argument is that they must find a justification for building so many ovens. This argument also involves the amount of bodies these new ovens could dispose of in a 24 hour period. A report from the Bauleitung in June 1943, after all of the new ovens became operational for at least some period, placed the cremation capacity of all 52 ovens at 4756 per day. [20] Deniers have not totally agreed among themselves on this issue, but Butz and Mattogno place the cremation capacity at about 1000 per day, or 30,000 per month. [21] Mattogno claimed the maximum cremation capacity of the six original ovens was 120 per day, [22] even though he was familiar with evidence from another concentration camp that showed a Topf double muffle oven could burn 52 per day or 26 per muffle. [23]
@Nicolás Palacios Navarro "There is more actual documentation and proof of the Armenian Genocide, for example, as a deliberate race/religion-focused act than there is for the Holocaust. "Historicus , says: July 17, 2019 at 5:02 pm GMTPhilip Jenkins, in his book "The Lost History of Christianity: The Thousand-Year Golden Age of the Church in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia–and How It Died," says:
Some months afterward, Polish Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin used the cases of the Assyrians, and the Christian Armenians before them, to argue for a new legal category to be called crimes of barbarity, primarily "acts of extermination directed against the ethnic, religious or social collectivities whatever the motive (political, religious, etc.)." Lemkin developed this theme over the following years, and in 1943 he coined a new word for this atrocious behavior – namely, genocide. The modern concept of genocide as a uniquely horrible act demanding international sanctions has its roots in the thoroughly successful movements to eradicate Middle Eastern Christians. Lemkin recognized acutely that such acts might provide an awful precedent for later regimes: as Hitler asked in 1939, "Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
@Digital Samizdat "Holocaust" is derived from the Greek word meaning an offering that is entirely consumed by fire. It entered the English language in the 1582 Douay Bible, the first English translation of the New Testament by and for Roman Catholics. The scholars who worked on this groundbreaking work were noted for transliterating into English terms found in the original Latin and Greek texts. Other words first used in our language in this Bible include gratis, victim, and, ironically, that most Protestant of words, evangelize.Rich , says: July 17, 2019 at 8:12 pm GMT@Fran Taubman It's very difficult to face facts that contradict sincerely held beliefs. But you can't argue the physics of the matter. The nazis didn't have the infrastructure to cremate, or gas, that many people. It would be an impossible project. You must also understand that many Germans, Poles, Russians and others lost their whole families, too, don't you? Such is the terrible cost of war. No one is saying many Jews didn't die in WW2, it's just that the holocaust narrative doesn't stand up to vigorous investigation. That's why some countries have passed laws forbidding research into the issue. There would be no reason to forbid research if the truth landed everyone at the accepted narrative.Franklin Ryckaert , says: July 17, 2019 at 8:37 pm GMT@Germanicus Indeed, the burden of the proof is on the accuser. When investigated, the story of the gas chambers, cremations or burnings doesn't stand up. However, millions of Jews were abducted by train and locked up in concentration camps, and did not return . If they were not murdered, then what happened to them? Revisionists have no answer to this legitimate question, and in this case the burden of providing an answer is on them. 100,000 Jews from Holland were abducted, hardly any returned. 400,000 Jews from Hungary were abducted, hardly any returned. If they were not murdered, what became of them?Fran Taubman , [AKA "Linda"] says: July 17, 2019 at 8:50 pm GMT@RichNicolás Palacios Navarro , says: Website July 17, 2019 at 9:01 pm GMTHowever, even more incredible was the actions taken by the Nazis between August 19 and September 28 last. Vilkis said that in the middle of August the SS mobilized a party of 100 Russian war prisoners, who were taken to the ravines. On August 19 these men were ordered to disinter all the bodies in the ravine. The Germans meanwhile took a party to a nearby Jewish cemetery whence marble headstones were brought to Babii Yar [sic] to form the foundation of a huge funeral pyre. Atop the stones were piled a layer of wood and then a layer of bodies, and so on until the pyre was as high as a two-story house. Vilkis said that approximately 1,500 bodies were burned in each operation of the furnace and each funeral pyre took two nights and one day to burn completely. The cremation went on for 40 days, and then the prisoners, who by this time included 341 men, were ordered to build another furnace. Since this was the last furnace and there were no more bodies, the prisoners decided it was for them. They made a break but only a dozen out of more than 200 survived the bullets of the Nazi machine guns.[40]
People saw there families disappear before their eyes. Who says that Germany could not perform mass extermination you. If you go on line you can find photos of the outdoor pits with bodies all around. There is a done of evidence. It is not like loosing someone on a fighting front. These people exited a train as a family unit, some walked towards a building with a smoke stack and never came out. Piles of clothes not people. You have to look at this like a human story. Imagine your father disappears at a restaurant. You look and he is no wear to be found. 5 million Jews are missing that is an incontrovertible fact. There are birth certificates and no people.
@Fran Taubman So where is the conclusive, definitive, unquestionable truth about this missing "5 million"? Actually, was it not "6 million"? And why is denial of the Holocaust a criminal offense in various Western jurisdictions, but not of the Armenian Genocide, which was perpetrated against a Christian nation and was far better documented?Rich , says: July 17, 2019 at 10:25 pm GMT@Fran Taubman I understand that belief in the holocaust is on par with religious belief, and difficult to question, but do you know how many Russians died in WW2? 27,000,000. That's a lot, no? 9.000.000 Germans died and 6,000,000 Poles. All the people of Central Europe suffered horribly in an unnecessary war. Imagine the poor German child, his father killed at Dresden, the Polish kid who lost his Dad at Katyn, the Russian lad, left fatherless after Stalingrad. All European people suffered from the war. Your people are no different, or more special, than these others. Sorry.turtle , says: July 17, 2019 at 10:34 pm GMT@Germanicus The Israelis prattle on about "terrorists."turtle , says: July 18, 2019 at 12:37 am GMT
They do know about terrorists, alright, since the State of Israel was founded by terrorists and mass murderers, and they have repeatedly elected such to lead their government over the years.
Pot, meet kettle.anonymous [307] Disclaimer , says: July 18, 2019 at 12:53 am GMTThe allies took away a lot of the files and made use of the results.
Particularly the freezing experiments, as I understand it.
USAF couldn't perform those experiments themselves (not officially, anyway) but were happy to get the data intended for the Luftwaffe.
So what if a few Russian POWs froze to death.
Hell, the evil Commies were our mortal enemies by then, anyhow ('cause We Said So, and Don't You Question It). Strange, how a Valuable and Trusted Ally can turn into Satan Incarnate almost overnight. Devilish, that.@Germanicus How about The Israeli Holocaust Against the PalestiniansFran Taubman , [AKA "Linda Rice"] says: July 18, 2019 at 1:01 am GMThttps://www.amazon.com/Israeli-Holocaust-Against-Palestinians/dp/0970378424
The criminal zionist jews want this word be used ONLY for the chosen people. Use of this word for others, they think, diminishes their unique case.
Well, many people use this word when they want to expose the zionists' hypocracy.@Theodore I tried to find that article in the Jerusalem Post. I saw the book, but could not find the article.mark green , says: July 18, 2019 at 3:55 am GMT
I have listened to a lot of testimony sounds pretty reasonable to me. The way the transports worked the separations at the train station. The building with the somoke stack. The SS telling the people going to the gas building to take off their clothes and that jobs would await for them after showers, and that the people never came out.
Same story over and over almost repetitive. In many different languages.
Claude Lanzman in his movie ShoA did secret recordings where Germans talked about the trains and transports, and knowing what was going on. Also the gassing vans at Chelmmo.There is a vast amount of information from Jews and Germans. The Nuremberg trials.
You cannot possible deny this part of history and be normal. Most survivors did not witness the actual gassing and crematorium they were sent to the work barracks.
The Sonderkommando the workers have testified. Filip Muller. These people are not lying. They are not. They talk about the back up of the crematoriums
As early as June 13, 1943, all was not well with the new installation. Eventually the ovens seemed to fall apart. Crematorium Four failed completely after a short time and Crematoria Five had to be shut down repeatedly. (TWC, V:624) (Between 1945 and 1962 Polish officials found five manuscripts written by Sonderkommando members before their deaths. The published manuscripts and documents relate to the specific process of extermination at Birkenau, and provide detailed descriptions of the crematoria and gas chambers.)
@Hippopotamusdrome Yes, the Nazis killed commies and visa versa. I was referring however to the justice and punishment that was meted out mercilessly after WWII (upon Germany) as well as the stigma, reparations, and shame that is still raining down exclusively on Nazis and their descendents today.Fran Macadam , says: July 18, 2019 at 7:39 am GMTEx-commies on the other hand suffer no similar opprobrium and face no financial responsibility for their murderous past.
Holocaust denial is intellectually unserious. You might as well try to argue Hitler and the Nazis as a positive good as they unleashed death and destruction on neighboring countries and peoples out of a pagan self worship personified in the Fuhrer's own murderous megalomania. He didn't love Jews, he hated them like some reincarnation of Haman who sought their destruction. And not just the big criminals who incidentally were Jewish, but millions of innocents who weren't the Rothchilds in any way whatsoever.Fran Taubman , [AKA "Linda"] says: July 18, 2019 at 7:40 pm GMTNow it is true that today some people who weren't among the six million Jewish victims of the Nazis, or among the other gentile six million liquidated by them, either, or even alive at the time, use this abysmal episode in human inhumanity to claim immunity for their own current crimes and to claim profitable victimhood by proxy. Or to claim those who challenge their political agenda are Jew haters and Nazis, a phoney but still somewhat useful libel.
And it's true, as Nicholson Baker's Human Smoke reveals, that there were no clean hands among any nations in the events that triggered the path to World War II, including the rise to power of the duplicitous Nazis.
@Mulegino1stone cold , says: July 18, 2019 at 8:50 pm GMTAll Yids[a] of the city of Kiev and its vicinity must appear on Monday, September 29, by 8 o'clock in the morning at the corner of Mel'nikova and Dokterivskaya streets (near the Viis'kove cemetery). Bring documents, money and valuables, and also warm clothing, linen, etc. Any Yids[a] who do not follow this order and are found elsewhere will be shot. Any civilians who enter the dwellings left by Yids[a] and appropriate the things in them will be shot.
-- Order posted in Kiev in Russian, Ukrainian, and German on or around 26 September 1941.[15]I watched what happened when the Jews -- men, women and children -- arrived. The Ukrainians[b] led them past a number of different places where one after the other they had to give up their luggage, then their coats, shoes and over-garments and also underwear. They also had to leave their valuables in a designated place. There was a special pile for each article of clothing. It all happened very quickly and anyone who hesitated was kicked or pushed by the Ukrainians [sic][b] to keep them moving.
-- Michael Berenbaum: "Statement of Truck-Driver Hofer describing the murder of Jews at Babi Yar"[25]@Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist Good 'ol post-modernism creeping into our discussion. There is such a thing as truth as is there the opposite called a lie. Denigrating many fine authors on their Shoah works is certainly not the answer to the eternal question.Commentator Mike , says: July 18, 2019 at 9:28 pm GMT@Jacques Sheete OK, Jaques,FB , says: Website July 19, 2019 at 12:05 am GMTHere's a brand new science paper, hot off the presses so to speak, for you and Wally to ponder. I haven't read it yet in detail but it must have passed peer review by referees and all that. The paper even presents time series data of the kills. RU may want to look at this paper too as he's got this high regard for high quality academic works . The references at the bottom of the paper may also be useful to those interested in the research, as well as those mentioned in the right hand side bar.
Quantifying the Holocaust: Hyperintense kill rates during the Nazi genocide, Lewi Stone, Sci Adv. 2019 Jan; 5(1)
@Commentator MikeCommentator Mike , says: July 19, 2019 at 12:22 am GMTthe words of Savitri Davi, a convicted post-war Nazi sympathiser, who in her book "Defiance" mentions that she met a convicted Nazi woman, a former lay Christian sister, in jail who told her that she murdered a whole bunch of children born to compulsory foreign labourers that she was charged to look after in a children's home established on the factory premises of the motor car Volkswagen Werke company.
Thanks for that story and some of the many other very good materials you have presented
To murder a child never mind a bunch of children, is simply pure evil these kinds of deranged and sadistic episodes played out many thousands of times during the reign of terror of the Nazi scum
@Robjil You find the dates during 1942 when US and UK were bombing railway lines in Eastern Europe and report them. Yes there was some bombing of Germany but not much further. Most of the heavy bombing campaign came later and mainly targeted the oil facilities in Ploiesti, Romania. As you can see the graph claims most of the Holocaust killings were done during 1942.
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1/Only last week the House of Representatives passed a motion calling on the Federal Government to investigate the possibility that Lyme Disease arose after a biowarfare experiment led to the accidental release of infected ticks into the wild.2/ Re the mural. Someone very kindly posted a link to an article in a San Fran newspaper which reveals the astonishing stupidity of the campaign against the mural which, of course, has nothing, really to do with artistic merit and is all about preserving hypocrisies.
The notion that First Nations descendants ought to be protected from depictions of the genocide practised against their race is American Hypocrisy of the first water. Ditto the idea that Black people should not be made to endure reminders that their ancestors (or those who did not rape slaves) were kidnapped and enslaved.
It is amazing that those insisting that the murals have the merit of depicting historical realities, too often swept under carpets, are elderly white bigots is idiotic.
3/On the subject of American Culture see 2 above- from those pretending that Epstein's involvement in prostitution is inexplicable, to those arguing that Venezuela is being attacked and an attempt to install a white dictatorship mounted in order to bring democracy to the country's poor people, to the ID politicos in San Fran who have been responsible, through the politicians they have supported for racist incarceration policies, decades of bloody war and the lowering of living standards and life expectancy throughout the USA-all is Hypocrisy, lies socially imposed.
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Russ @107Of course America has nothing that could be compared with culture in many other parts of the world. Anything that could provide the present with historical context is erased, bulldozed, or painted over. Even the remaking of "classic" movies is done in part to separate people's sense of the present from America's past. What America has in place of culture is an eternal now , with the past being ephemeral and contingent upon the needs of the narratives of the moment. Iconic American food culture is just ground and pureed mystery protein and carbonated corn syrup water. The consumer doesn't want to know where those come from, and ten minutes after consuming them they have largely forgotten the experience.
Since the Apollo missions are in the news lately I will point out that we should expect an effort in the not too distant future similar to what we are seeing in San Francisco to erase the reality of that part of America's history. After all, the Apollo astronauts were all white men, and that is traumatizing for the feeble-minded neolibs.
But you know, it isn't a bad thing to want to try to develop genuine and historically anchored culture.
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commentwars • 7 hours ago ,Fukuyama a "great scholar"? Bahahahahaha
Binaj • 2 days ago ,After the cold war ended in the 1990s the US quickly became the worlds leading police state with mass incarceration, more of its own people in jail and prison then any nation in the history of mankind. Who are we now to preach about freedom to the world ?
redeemed626 • 2 days ago ,When dollar and yanks are gone,peace and prosperity will come
Mel Profit • 2 days ago ,The primary weaknesses of liberal democracy and the capitalist order come from the decisions made by voters and captains of industry. When political and economic freedom create impoverishment, income disparity, racial strife, and nationalist xenophobia, the fruits of a free society die on the vine. I see the Yahoo News elderly guys and the Russian trolls are mystified by this obvious state of world affairs.
toucheamigos • 2 days ago • edited ,One of the silliest pieces TNI has ever published.
Znaika toucheamigos • 15 hours ago ,Through our words and deeds, America demonstrates a positive alternative to political and religious despotism
A negative alternative.
toucheamigos • 2 days ago ,The problem is that for many decades american "words" contradict american "deeds", and the whole world can easily see american double standards. That's why american "alternative" is negative, not positive. As an example (one of 100s) we can remember that famous 1939 phrase "Somoza may be a son of a b.., but he's our son of a b..."
Gary Sellars toucheamigos • 2 days ago • edited ,This article shows why America will lose eventually. It sill believes that ideals of human rights and democracy are good.
They are not. As a matter of fact they are source of most evil in this world. America creates its own enemies, so they will never end.
Cool2HatE • 2 days ago ,Institutionalized group-think is the Great Enemy of any Empire. It leads to complacency and a refusal to see the world as it really it, and to view oneself as uniquely gifted and therefore exceptional and eternal.
Eventually this will become the prevailing wisdom in post-hegemony US just as it became so in post-Empire Britain or post-Soviet Russia.
Yuki • 3 days ago ,Lets see, mistakes:
Iraq war, Kosovo war, NATO enlargement, let Russia economy crushed at 90's. Let Libya completely, Syria partially destroyed. Become arrogent see non-western nations low. Etc. etc.We can tell post cold-war is about "end of freedom commercial" and get real "wild capitalism." China was mis-calculation. They decided to use it as cheap workforce and a not-formal colony which ended surprisingly otherwise.
All above talk is a naive try to turn back "freedom commercial" days. Best thing USA can teach now, how to kill people in every imaginable way.
Gary Sellars Yuki • 2 days ago ,The post Cold War worst mistake of US was the EU enlargement, Russia could have become less paranoid and nationalist and perhaps a more solid democratic culture would have been established
Yuki Gary Sellars • a day ago ,"Democracy" is simply the rule of a small elite minority of organised people over a much greater majority of disorganised people. Russian "democracy" delivers what its people want to the same degree as US "democracy". In fact, judging by Putins much higher domestic approval numbers that the Trumpster, I'd say it delivers more...
toucheamigos Yuki • 2 days ago ,Democracy" is simply the rule of a small elite minority of organised people over a much greater majority of disorganised people. This is "oligarchy", not "democracy", the regime that is running in Russia,China,NK and similar heavens of dictators.
Yuki toucheamigos • a day ago ,We will never have a democratic culture. We despise that system too much.
Gary Sellars • 3 days ago ,Oh well, no problem if you not like democracy. you can live everyday with police that can arrest you at midnight, like in old Soviet times.
Donald Smith Gary Sellars • 3 days ago ,"The result was an economic boom, a wave of democratization, and victory in an existential struggle against Communism without yet another great-power global war. "
Victory? I assume you guys are aware that the Chinese are Communists?
Surely you didn't think that global completion over ideology and nationhood was resolved in the Cold War? That was just a single geopolitical skirmish, one game in a whole season. It ain't over till it over.... and its ain't done by a long shot.
Gary Sellars Donald Smith • 2 days ago • edited ,"...are Communists?" Labels don't mean anything. They're huge, getting richer, have an historically motivated chip on their shoulder and want to assume the place in the world, particularly Asia, they feel is their due. They are sensitive to their public's opinion That we have a buffoon in charge is certainly an impediment; we're still involved in 'unforced error' wars the last appointed, incurious executive began as
Walter Tseng • 3 days ago ,China is hard to classify in the traditional sense. Its government is what we would call "Communist", but its ruling ethos is essentially Confucianist , its social ideology is Socialist, but it uses market economics, mercantilism and Capitalism to generate wealth and pay for it all.
The Chinese are not fools. They have taken the best aspects of many ideologies and wielded them into a system that seems to work well for them. What Americans might feel about it is utterly superfluous.
Begemot • 3 days ago ,Whether realizing or not, the author, quoting the National Security Strategy report of 2018, ironically described the US to a T when they wrote "For today, the dictator (the US) may be your friend, but tomorrow he will need you as an enemy (China)". & "... (the US) seek lifetime tenure (hegemony), expanding territories (bases) total authority (MAGA) & obedient subjects"!
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The philanthropic & much admired champion has grown into an ugly dictator, bending the world to its will through soft & strong power. The global revulsion towards the misuse of hegemonic muscle is what caused the US to lose its place in the Global Order! Simple as that!To this panglossian peaen to the American imperial system and its promotion of democracy, human freedom and all other nice things against the dark forces represented by those other guys like Russia and China, let us consider a reality of American foreign policy that belies this tripe: US support of Saudi Arabia from 1945 to the present moment. I suggest that if any of what this writer proposes we believe is true about the motives underlying US foreign policy, then the theocratic and medieval regime Saudi Arabia would no longer exist. Yet it continues to exist and is a valued partner of America.
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John Regan , says: July 16, 2019 at 3:41 pm GMT
@Hippopotamusdrome The Germans themselves estimated that roughly 600,000 Soviet POWs had died as of late February 1942. Here's a link to a document that was translated for the Nuremberg Trials, but apparently wasn't entered into the evidence:Germanicus , says: July 16, 2019 at 10:09 pm GMTIn this document, General von Gravenitz (chief of the Wehrmacht supply services) described the causes of the high mortality like so to Reich Minister Dr. Goebbels:
Furthermore, the OKW counts 1,900,000 Soviet Prisoners of War in the zones of interior and in other occupied areas. As of 1 February 1942, the OKW, according to their tabulation, had available 685,000 Soviet Prisoners of war, and of those 323,000 were present in the Reich. He gave the following reasons for the high mortality: In the great "Kessel" (kettle) battles, the Soviets were contained up to 22 days without any supplies whatsoever. The German armies stormed forward, covering incredibly large distances. The German supply services could bring up to the front only the most necessary ammunitions and living necessities of the fighting troops. Thus, it would have been necessary to feed the Soviet Prisoners of War from supplies of the countryside . However, these supplies had been totally destroyed by the Soviets during their flight-like retreats. The early and abnormal winter did the rest.
In other words, the Soviet scorched earth tactics destroyed the food supplies the Germans had planned to feed the Soviet prisoners with. So then they starved. No genocidal intent was needed. In fact, later in the same document it says:
He [still General Gravenitz] quoted the order of the Fuehrer of September 1941 to the effect that Soviet Prisoners of War should be kept in condition to enable them to work .
Hitler, who according to the politically correct among our historians wanted to have a genocide of all Russians, just because he was a horrible racist, actually ordered his army that they should be fed adequately. Unless this top ranking German general was lying to Goebbels in their top secret conference.
So in the end, as I already wrote, it's still true that great numbers of Soviet POWs did die in the winter of 1941/42, and that IS and remains a great tragedy. But again, hundreds of thousands of Axis soldiers on the Eastern Front also died in this same period, and even modern politically correct historians don't claim that Hitler made his own soldiers a target of genocide. They died because adequate food, fuel, housing and medical care simply wasn't available when the German logistics system had almost collapsed under the impact of the Russian winter.
@Truth3 I would encourage to research the Polish Typhus epidemic of 1916-1919.
It gives more context, because typhus had occurred in eastern Europe way before WWII, the Soviet "revolution" was the starting point of this epidemic.In this context, the Patton diary also sheds some light on the hygiene of the eastern European jews from the Shtetls. And yeah, its embarrassing for the Jews, but they have not changed much in that regard. Ie jewish females are forbidden to clean themselves during menstruation period in some of the jewish circles.
A little research on Ellis Island and its function as decontamination island before entering NY is also highly informative. They used Zyklon B as well to disinfect clothes and people. There is even film footage of Ellis Island on the internet, showing immigrants getting fumigated with Zyklon.
Furthermore, the US also operated gas tunnels to disinfect trains.
The sad truth is, Zyklon B was used to save lives.
If Germany wanted to kill all the inmates of the camps, they would have just locked the camps up and had them die of Typhus.
Btw, Auschwitz had only ~40% jewish inmates, the Auschwitz death records revealed it after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It also revealed births in the camps.Zyklon was used to fight the Typhus epidemic, which could otherwise spread uncontrolled.
Typhus carrying lice do not care what belief a human has before biting and infecting the human. These lice travel far with animals and humans.
Typhus is a danger to ground water and everything, ie you cannot bury typhus infected corpses near settlements, it would contaminate the water supply, hence cremation.
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