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2. Would not the requirement of the full use of an exchange (including the publishing of all details of every trade except the identities of those involved) also solve the problem? That way everybody can see when the notional value of all the CDS contracts issued is approaching the maximum (i.e. non-default) value of the underlying securities.
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3. I am not sure that requiring a CDS owner to have an insurable interest is a reasonable and all the more sufficient response to reduce the moral hazard component and avoid gambling.
I still contend that CDSs are not only what investor Warren Buffet once described derivatives as "financial weapons of mass destruction" but also financial weapons of wealth destruction. Given the skewed incentives embedded in CDSs they are more and more licenses to kill some investments and investors.
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4. I might have misunderstood, but it doesn't seem so bad to me. They were insuring against the cost default, and this company ensured there was no default. If I found out in ten years time that my house had not been burgled because the Halifax (who insure it) had somehoe ensured there would be no burglaries, would I be angry? And why?
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5. This is spot on...weren't CDS originally created so that banks could exchange interests if they were overally concentrated in one sector or industry due to geographic constraints? For example if an Australian Bank heavy with miners wants to swap some of its interest in, say, BHP for an interest in Dow from a US bank heavy with chemicalsthen each bank wins by diversifying its credit exposure. So in this instance thee insurable interest may not exactly fit. But the fact that CDS have morphed into trading tools from hedging tools is the real reason for this mess. At the core and in the original iteration these are brilliant products but like most things in finance in the past 10 years or so they have been brutalised and we are all paying the price now.
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6. By extension Buiter must regard the entire world of derivatives as gambling - evil and insidious and something to be banned.
And on this particular matter, the banks have lost money simply because they thought they were trading these CDS contracts to make money, but they failed to read the small print. How loudly did Buiter moan when consumers were on the other end of this?
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7. Excellent summary of the issue and classical background. To me, if we cannot enforce the same collateral and margin requirements on CDS as cash spot and forward contracts, which seemingly do function as hedge instruments, then CDS must go. The infinite leverage of CDS dealer activities led to the AIG simulation of infinite insurance via same. In that light, CDS is a predatory form of gambling countenanced by governments in the same way as other lotteries.
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8. If proving that one has an insurable interest becomes necessary for trading in CDS "an industry" is likely to emerge that will devote itself to supplying such proof... and over time will any such regulatory prohibition meaningless.
Would it not be better to require trading of all CDS on centralized exchanges and immediate public disclosure of the identity of the parties to the trade as well as the details of the trade?
Wouldn't such transparency be a more powerful control mechanism than requiring proof of insurable interest? Furthermore transparency is not a rule that can be gamed over time... -
9. Re Pawel D: Trading of all CDS on centralised exchanges and immediate disclosure of the identities of the parties trading, and all details of the trade would not help mitigate the moral hazard problems I describe, because the information that is needed includes the ownership of the underlying assets (the bonds) and, in the case of the Amherst ploy, full details about the securities backing the mortgage bonds that the CDS had been written on.
It would not be necessary to prove one has an insurable interest when trading in CDS. All that would be needed is that a party presenting a claim under a CDS contract would be required to produce proof of ownership of the same face value of defaulted bonds (of the exact type he is claiming a default protection payout for). -
10. A couple of observations from the sell-side: first, the growth in CDS was largely a function of the terrible liquidity and lack of transparency in the corporate bond market (and the lack of an intelligent regulatory capital regime covering CDS). If the corporate bond market were efficient there would have been less need for CDS. Ten years ago one could not find bid/offer prices for coporate bonds on any pricing service. The CDS market changed that -- for the better. Much of the growth I've seen in CDS was from the investor side: why establish a portfolio of corproate bonds where the investor has to cross large bid/offer spreads with a market maker who knew whether the investor was a buyer or a seller? Hedging was next to impossible.
Second, if we want to get biblical, we probably shouldn't be lending each other money. The abuse of CDS boils down to excessive leverage. It is no different from the LTCM meltdown. Banks got into trouble with LTCM because they assumed credit risk and market risk without collateral. Investment banks bought massive amounts of equity options from LTCM without margin, should we ban equity options (another form of betting? where if you get big enough you can control the market -- Porsche?) or should we require banks involved in these products to hold adequate collateral to protect their shareholders. The real moral hazard was a function of the banks' (and insurance companies') ability to build massive CDS portfolios and sidestep regulatory capital requirements. We should devote our intellectual energy to fixing this regulatory problem. -
11. Come on. This transaction doesn't fly if even ONE of the parties buying the CDSs has an insurable interest and refuses to sell. These boys were all playing naked, and things happen when you play naked. Tough.
Since when has crying become fashionable on Wall Street? -
12. For those who think that WB whose concern about the mroal hazard associated with CDSs should read Peter J. Wallace's defense of them - Everything You Wanted to Know about Credit Default Swaps--but Were Never Told -
http://www.rgemonitor.com/financemarkets-monitor/255257/everything_you_wanted_to_know_about_credit_default_swaps--but_were_never_told - 25 Jan. A former lawyer, Wallace holds the Arthur F. Burns Chair in Financial Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research, where he codirects the Institute’s program on financial market deregulation. One of their "noted" speakers recently was Dick Cheney.
In a few days' time, they are holding a one-day conference: The Financial Crisis: Failure of Capitalism or Failure of Government Policy?, co-Sponsored by The Aspen Institute (of Aspen, Colorado [nice] on Thursday, June 18, 2009. You can find them at http://www.aei.org/home.
As this piece is held on Roubini's web site, this renders Roubini's opinions morally hazardous in themselves. -
13. Correction: "WB whose concern about the mroal hazard associated with CDSs" should be replaced by "WB's concern with the moral hazard associated with CDSs is misplaced or excessive".
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14. @ Benedict@Large
In the financial field, this is not quite what "naked" means. Deutsche Bank has been accused of 'naked short selling', which is not what you suggest it is. Unfortunately, naked short selling appears to be legal. The SEC has claimed that such a practice is beneficial for market liquidity. The moral hazard, indeed dangerousness, of this practice should be sufficient for it to be banned. But alas ... . -
15. Correction: @Benedict@Large, I should have said that, in WB's account, not all players were 'naked'. One implication of your comment is that boys should be allowed to play with their toys whatever the social and other costs. IAs far as I am concerned, if they don't like playing by new rules, they can take their balls and go home.
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16. I'm not sure if Willem Buiter present the requirement for an insurable interest as a means to preclude the type of transaction Amherst engaged in, but if so I don't see how it would achieve that outcome. Whether or not the buyers of insurance had an insurable interest, isn't the point that Amherst de facto engaged in market manipulation (whether it can be considered as such de jure is another matter).
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17. I don't see that much wrong with what Amherst did, because they essentially fleeced the gamblers without hurting those that were genuinely looking for insurance. Those who were using CDS to hedge against risk to a real insurable interest got exactly what they wanted and paid for: no default. They maybe even got it cheaper because Amherst was desperate to sell as much protection as possible. Other holders of those bonds who didn't buy protection basically got free protection when they were able to unload their bonds onto Amherst. The people who lost were the gamblers that thought they could make free money. Even their loss is useful if it serves as a warning to other would-be excessive risk-takers.
I do like your suggestion that we require handing over the actual securities in order to claim payment on a CDS in the event of a default, though I'd like to point out that even that may not guarantee that the value of the protection sold will not exceed the value of the underlying asset. CDS purchasers could always rely on a strategy of buying the distressed assets at the last minute in order use for their claims. As long as the CDS market is not very transparent, it's still very possible that far too many bets will be placed and some of the gamblers will find themselves unable to collect their winnings. I'm not sure this is actually a bad thing, and it might in fact provide partial protection to bond-holders that didn't invest in it through the creation of a market for the assets immediately after the default. -
18. Nice post, but your comment on Amherst's profit from the trade needs clarification. Amherst's profits arose from the premia charged on the amount of loans for which they wrote protection, not the amount insured itself. Most accounts I've read indicate that Amherst sold approx. $130 million of protection at a premia of between 80 and 90 cents for every dollar of insurance. Using the lower end of that range results in revenue to Amherst of about $100 million.
One other note on the absurdity of some aspects of the CDS market: CDS spreads on 10-yr US Treasuries have increased to 40 cents from just over 1.5 cents two years ago. This very well may be a reasonable increase in light of the state of the economy, deficits and the amount of government borrowings. However, given the dire circumstances implied by the US actually defaulting on its debt, I'm curious as to how the purchasers of CDS protection expect to collect. To me, it's quite doubtful that any protection seller will have the means to satisfy its obligations should a US government default occur. -
19. I'm generally a huge fan of Buiter, but this makes no sense. If actions like Amherst's became common than only the people who actually wanted to insure their debts would buy credit default swaps, and which is exactly what Buiter wants.
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20. Requiring to have an insurable interest may reduce the moral hazard but it does not reduce the systemic risk, leverage and speculative trades (crowding) produced by and with CDS contracts. If the detailed information about an existing CDS contract, other than the insurable interest, is not available to the market CDS will always be a problem. Somehow CDS are "toxic" derivatives so the market should know everything and label them accordingly. To have an insurable interest in the cds market would not have avoided or prevented the systemic and conterpart risk and excessive leverage, like the concentration of CDS in few hands. For instance did banks know that they were playing with CDS with the same counterpart? Pooling of cds contracts is dangerous.
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21. Yet to hear a convincing argument, or indeed, any argument, from Prof. Buiter as to why it's ok to trade equity put options naked but not CDS. Willem, are you reading?
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22. Bonds were honoured and all bond-holders got their money's worth from their purchase of CDS from Amherst. The only people damaged by Amherst manipulations were those who had no insurable interest in their purchase of CDS. Serves them right.
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23. @D Mario Nuti
I understand what you are saying, but do you not think that the disbenefits of CDSs outweighs their reputed benefits? Nuclear power stations are beneficial, but the waste produced as a by-product is substantially disbeneficial, indeed incredibly dangerous. -
24. @D Mario Nuti
Also, the bonds were honored, true. But WB's point is that they were manipulated. What was done by Amherst, clever as it was, is legally but not formally different from insider trading, I would have thought. -
25. When companies need concessions from bond holders something has gone wrong already.
Maybe their business is not profitable.
Maybe management looted the company.
Maybe unwise acquisitions were pursued.
Why then is it a bad thing if such a company is liquidated.
Capitalism works well if competition and survival of the fittest drive the evolution of corporations. A necessary part of that is the death of the unfit. -
26. Re Anon: I would extend the requirement that you must have an insurable interest in order to buy insurance to all contracts that are, from an economic perspective, equivalent to insurance contracts. This would mean no naked equity puts. To acquire a put, you would have to own (at least) the corresponding amount of equity. The easiest way to implement this is that equity puts cannot be sold on their own but only bundled with (embedded in) equity.
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27. Essentially in this and similar CDS transactions the seller, Amherst, was acting like a bookmaker rather than an insurance provider. There are no regulations on the size of bets a bookmaker can take, and no concept of insurable interest.
But a bookmaker who took a large number of bets on a particular horse (in this case bankruptcy) and then nobbled the horse so that it could not possibly win would be behaving fraudulently. Real world bookmakers and casinos are regulated in ways which stop them from doing this - casinos cannot change the odds on the fruit machines, bookmakers in the UK are (I think) barred from owning or training horses. Bookmakers and casinos also have a reputational incentive to behave honestly, so that they will lose business in future if it is known that they tried to manipulate outcomes. I don't imagine smart investors will want to buy CDS from Amherst in future, but the owners may not be too concerned given the profits their behaviour has earned them.
Incidentally, the bookmaker analogy also shows up the argument that Amherst's behaviour is a good thing, since it will discourage investors from buying naked CDS in future. Would we really argue that a cheating casino is desirable, and should not be punished, because it discourages gambling? -
28. "I would extend the requirement that you must have an insurable interest in order to buy insurance to all contracts that are, from an economic perspective, equivalent to insurance contracts."
Thank you for your reply. I take it that buying calls will be treated in a similar manner in order to avoid any asymmetry that would promote asset price bubbles. If this is correct, then what you propose is tantamount to banning any speculative options trading, which will radically reduce liquidity available to hedgers. -
29. I think the idea of having to deliver a bond to get the payments from a cds is a good one. Together with some transparency about the amount of outstanding cds this would prevent this type of manipulation. Speculation and hedging for counterparty risk could still be done. If too many contracts are written prices would adjust.
This would of course not prevent the other type of manipulation where the cds buyer holds some bonds and wants the company to default but it is a start. Another solution could be limitations for bondholders that have cds protection in bancruptcy negotiations.
As for naked shorts and the like. There is clearly a need for some regulation in the option markets. Just look at the Porsche/VW story. Common sense says this is market manipulation but the current law does probably not allow any sanctions. Here you can also argue that the call option writers were just speculators. I do not think speculation is a bad thing. It creates information and liquidity but there should be laws to sanction clear abuses.
There might be some changes now after this crisis but as long as the people in the regulating bodies come from the corporations they should regulate and go back there afterward (à la Goldman Sachs) it won't be effective for long. -
30. What is the value to the market of allowing naked bets via CDS? It certainly is a good way to make a lot of money if your bets are correct, but what value does it have for the market if you don't have an insurable interest per se?
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31. StillAnon,
And "reducing liquidity available to hedgers" is a BAD thing? Seems to me that it is a VERY GOOD thing. Hedging promotes stupidity and reduces the incentive for full due diligence. The mere existence of hedging reduces the value of all personally held retirement savings because hedging such as short sales are forbidden in tax sheltered accounts.
Generally speaking, hedging is just one more way for Wall Street professionals to shear the sheep.
Obviously to have better laws that will help to avoid situations as with Amherst would be good, but cannot completely be avoided. However, trading CDS only when there is an insurable interest goes past the notion that CDS are also vary valuable to hedge for example counterparty risk. No need to hold a bond in order to have risk to a certain counterparty. Also the writer of a cds would then be always supposed to be short the bond, whilst that might not fit his view of the insurable interest (he might just see a temporary move in credit spread he can profit from rather than a full blown credit event).